Moral Orel: A Theological Perspective (50k Subscriber Special)
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- We all know what makes Moral Orel a great show, but how does it realistically relate to the Christian faith? Time to find out! 
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I’m glad there are Christians out there that can portray Christianity like this. We’re not a cult. We’re not crazy. We’re not idiots. We don’t just blindly believe our faith (at least not all of us). Wish more people could see this side of Christianity.
Unfortunately for people who don't agree with them: The likes of Ken Ham, Matt Powell, Greg Koukl, Stephen Anderson, etcetera get all the publicity.
And whether you agree with them or not they're wearing your shirt and banging your drum.
@@lynxfirenze4994 not to get theological here, but if someone says they’re a Christian and is “going to the beat of our drum” they’re usually not really a Christian and just like the label of being a Christian. I know what you mean though, those types of people (even though they may not actually be Christian) can still have power over the Christian faith and have some influence in it. Which sucks because then non-Christian’s look at those people and think that we’re all bad, and I wouldn’t blame them for thinking that because they get all the attention, all the publicity.
Jesus looking at Moralton: "I'm gonna need a bigger table to flip."
9:56 Fun fact: "Casual Christians" in Spanish are often called "Cristianos de la BBC" (BBC Christians) with "BBC" standing for "bodas, bautizos y comuniones" (weddings, baptisms and first communions)
In russian we call them christmas christians or easter christians, i just wanted to share some info about that thing in our culture
This is why Christians, as well as members of other faiths and religions, should consume media that thoughtfully critiques religious life. Media that critiques how religious people act and live, but not forgoing the legitimate value faith has.
@@bobalinx8762 true dat!
21:50 Actually Mary Magdalene being a prostitute isn't exactly in the Bible. I think that tradition comes from people confusing one or two different women with her.
My thoughts exactly
It is if you use deductive reasoning. Luke 7:38 says a harlot was at Jesus' feet. Luke 10:39 says Mary was a woman at Jesus' feet. So, by the transitive property, Mary Magdalene was the harlot at Jesus' feet. You see that throughout the Bible. Another example is Moses being the Egyptian who saved the daughters of Jethro. It never says that Moses is the Egyptian but transitively, we know that he is.
@@MiguelDLewis The woman in Luke 10:39 was actually Mary of Bethany, the sister of Martha and Lazarus. The woman in Luke 7:38 is a "sinful woman" who isn't identified with either Mary Magdalene or Mary of Bethany. The former had seven demons driven out of her by Jesus. (And the sinful woman anointing Jesus happens at a completely different location three chapters earlier.
@@CaptainSpiffari During the Mamluk rule, Bethany was called "the house of Maria Magdelan". So, Mary of Bethany and Mary Magdelene might be the same woman.
Moral Oral was definitely too ahead of it's time with how many subjects it was able to tackle where shows now a days glorify or even champion the negative aspects of abuse stories.
It’s really sad we never got the other seasons and plot lines. Moral Orel really did open the doors for controversial topics to not start away from as we see nowadays either for better or for worse
And as a Christian myself as well I adore this show both because it’s funny and because it makes fun of bad Christians 😂
About Mary Magdalene, the matter of her being a prostitute is still debatable. We're still trying to figure out if her and Mary Of Bethany are the same person.
Meanwhile, with the subject on the children suffering from the toxic beliefs, it makes me wonder about the End Of Times verses about the children dishonouring their families and being rebellious. Would it be because they were spoiled growing up or would it really be the abuse they had faced by their families (would the parents be as innocent and righteous to begin with?)? Or would it be both?
Or a fear tactic to control the majority?
Both. Easily both. Some because they were spoiled like Clay and others because they were abused like Bloberta or Orel.
I love this guys videos, I'm a backsliding catholic and love debates. It's so great to hear the faith used in such good points and arguments
Hey Trevor you might not see this but the work you put in these videos is nothing but incredible your channel deserves more videos. Thank you for these videos man they are a work of art.
Im a Lutheran who attends church every Sunday and I love the show. its a good show about the problems of hypocrisy.
Dang dude this vid was very interesting. I tried watching Moral Orel a while back and well didn’t really get far but this has not only picqued my interest again but I’m very glad you are approaching this from a viewpoint that honestly needs to be shown for media in general.
Heck one of my pastors at church was talking just last week how Paul used pop culture (in his case greek mythology) as a teaching tool.
13:47 "I am not holier than thou, mother. But I am holier than _you._ "
1:43 - Protesting a blood drive is more of a Jehovah’s Witnesses thing, and they subscribe to the Arian heresy, not orthodox Christianity.
1:45 - That’s Mormonism’s schtick!
1:49 - A funeral? Definitely WBC… whatever happened to them,by the way? After Phelps kicked the bucket they fell off the map.
1:55 - Protesting eggs? Are they Seventh Day Adventists now?
3:05 - Ah, yes. Kinda like how the 21st Century atheist claims to be all about science and logic, but don’t really care about it unless they can attack the international Church with it. A fetish, not a genuine love.
4:47 - You think I should tell them that the upside-down cross is actually associated with St. Peter (who was crucified upside-down in Rome), not the Devil.
5:25 - But that’s the actual Satanist symbol on that poster, from what I understand.
Moralton really needs to hit the books. :/
One of the biggest disservices that Adult Swim was can this show early, I would have loved to see how Orel went from a kid raised in a "religious" hellscape to a man that had it all made and apparently still was in the faith, we get glimpses of how like in the episode where he used buddhist philosophy to find "spiritual enlightenment", but that was surface-level compared to the real demons he probably had to face to get to what he became as an adult.
Congratulations on reaching 50k. This show means a lot to me, especially as a Christian. Thank you for all of your hard work on these videos!
Congrats on 50k. Your Videos got me to watch the Show
I may have not watched _Moral Orel_ since I’m not really into adult animation, but the amount of editing in this video is really great, especially one for a subscriber special.
If this isn’t the best Media Mementos video, it’s at least close!
What an amazing video. So well done. I'm 52 and just coming to Christianity but was very very hesitant and doubting because of what I was witnessing around me. I had decided to focus on the Bible and build my foundation first. Everything in this, is how I am feeling. I will continue to focus on my own path and faith. The chaos and hypocrisy around me are distractions. Great job with this! I think you'll help people find light.
Congrats on 50k
Thank you!!! Love the moral oral stuff
fantastic perspective on the series!!! im non-religious, so i greatly enjoyed your take
okay this is a genuinely good guide as to how to be a better christian, i lowkey needed this tysm
Great video with well placed and relevant scriptures. I too grew up in a very strict judgmental church setting and went to a conservative Christian college and nearly lost my faith. The great thing is God would not let me go so I returned to my faith and am always working to fight dogma whenever I see it. I hope many will watch this as you really spread the Gospel in a wonderful way.
Thanks again for the opportunity to edit part of this.
Spoilers for Baldur’s Gate 3:
I’m playing as a druid in BG3, and the quest where you investigate Kahga and find out that she’s twisting druid doctrine to fit a narrative that would ultimately lead the druids of Emerald Grove down a path of darkness seems to echo these themes.
Fellow Christian here. Love this video man. Keep up the good work
i will say, as someone who's personally not into moral orel (ironic bc i love south park lmao), this video unironically got me pray more bc i had been slacking and it helped me feel a lot better, truly the Lord does care
Two of my former pastors at my current church were named (I kid you not), Putty and Clay. I almost immediately thought about this show when I first heard their names. 😂
19:55 Exactly. The best way ive seen this part of the gospel presented (and it is important) is to use the law as what its meant to be used for, not something for condemnation, but rather a mirror to display where you stand.
As in, "here is the standard for people who can make their own way into heaven. Notice how you do not meet this standard. Here is the solution, a relationship with Jesus Christ."
Of course the relationship with Jesus is important, but less about avoiding hell and its more about, hey look what Jesus did for you, he paid that price. He took on the debt that you have due to your works not living up to this standard, he did, and yet he took that punishment upon himself. And I mean if you wouldnt be friends with someone who did that for you idk.
Doubt Media Mementos will answer, but I'd love to know:
What denomination are you? And (sensitive topic, I know) how do you feel about soteriology? Do you think non-Christians necessarily go to Hell for eternity? I won't judge you for you answer. I'm just honestly curious.
I was brought up Baptist, but walked away from God for the longest time because of the types of people you mentioned. I'm Lutheran now and am still working on reconciling my relationship with him.
I’m going to be so bummed when you do your last video glad I can still enjoy your content now though
This was a great video I've seen the show twice now, and my read on it is that it is ultimately not anti-christian, though it does take an athiestic stance. Episodes like the one with the missing link really show that.
wow, an xtian covering moral orel? damn, you must be one of the cool ones. nice the hearken unto you, bruh
19:38 I love that playmaker sketch it was so funny
Apart from Grace, no man can choose good. Some men are given Grace and forsake it while others make due use of the privileges granted to them (with even this being by the operation of the Holy Ghost). It's always grievous when Christians, who are given many means of accessing Grace (The Holy Scriptures, Sacraments, Church, etc.), forsake these most holy gifts God has given.
I am too, and I love Orel for that.
About halfway in, watching this as an atheist is kind of interesting.
It's somewhat refreshing to hear the hypocrisy being called out even if it is essentially being framed as the standard "No true Christian".
Interesting video so far.
17:24
Matthew 6;24 (using semicolon so it’s not displayed as a thumbnail)
“Man cannot serve both God and Mammon” (mammon being money, fame and materialism.)
I guess those guys haven’t heard of it. And as you well put it, you can’t bring that when you go to heaven.
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i have never been this excited before when i saw this as an notification. thank you so much, trevor. this video is spectacular for this whimsical masterpiece.
I wish this show was revived
This is such a based video! Thank you for sharing, brother!
I've long thought Moral Orel was one of the bedt pieces of Christian media (intentionally or otherwise).
If you boil it all down, its just "here's what happens when you do it wrong"
I think you portrayed that incredibly well!
Cool
Thanks for giving me a new perspective on this show. I used to see it as just basic anti-religious mush that gets all its criticism of the Bible from stereotypes and blatantly out-of-context passages.
Moral Orel was never a good fit for adult swim. At least not at the time it aired. Most of Adult Swim's viewership has never even seen, or even heard of the show it's parodying. When's the last time anybody has talked about that old show? Kids have no idea what I'm show I'm even referring to. Adult Swim has changed its identity, and reinvented itself more tines than Modonna. To the point where even the OG Adult Swim programming like The Brak Show and Sealab 2021 no longer fit the current Adult Swim brand. Netflix at the time, was still doing DVDs by mail. (Which was the superior netflix.) But had Orel come out today, it would've been a good fit for Netflix's current branding. Because there is no strong Netflix brand. Thats nobody has any real connection to Netflix, the way 90s kids have to Nickelodeon.
I am just glad we got a final ending of this show
(Commenting having watched up until 1:30) I never perceived the show as making fun of Christianity by atheists. I could have sworn this show was made by current Christians airing their grievances with Christanity while still respecting it. As a saved Christian, I feel this show is rather eespectful despite everything.
I think a big reason Moral Orel wasn't as successful as shows like Bojack or Family guy is because it came out the same year as Robot Chicken
Finally
Oooo! Moral Orel! I loved this show in the past! Maybe i should rewatch it again. Can’t wait to watch the video!
I love showing people moral Orel and seeing their reaction my last ex and I had completely disagreed she hated the reveal of clay being the mayor I thought it was the greatest thing ever 😂
I don’t intend to start an argument or anything i just have this pondering I’ve never been able to really get a satisfying answer as someone who used to believe but now doesn’t.
The argument about ‘lukewarm’ Christians always struck me as a bit at odds with the rest of doctrine, even if doctrine was and is unclear. On paper all you need to do is profess a genuine desire to accept Jesus, and then you’re good. But then later in the Bible there comes this revelation that you need more than just this, even though Jesus himself seemed pretty clear on it just being a profession of faith.
I know church leaders do say point to the verses about lukewarm and all, but that doesn’t really satisfy me, and didn’t satisfy me either as a Christian. After all, sure it’s good if someone turns their life around, but if in the end all they do is profess a desire to be saved and accept Jesus, ideally that makes them no different than someone who did the same but did all they could.
Apologies for the ramble, admittedly sparked this thought when you mentioned something like this earlier in the video. Am interested to hear what other people think, as even if I’m no longer a Christian i always enjoy discussing theology.
It’s like he says in the video. Declaring doesn’t mean anything. I could say that I’m a big fan of country music all I want, but if I never actually listen to it, or know anything about it, and I’m reluctant to do anything about it, then I’m not really a fan. Salvation is not earned by saying a prayer and then being done. Salvation is earned by having legitimate friendship and relationship with God. The friend analogy he used in the video is exactly how it works.
@@albertrobinson4576 I understand that, i really do. However I still don’t know if it really lines up with the words of Jesus, and that’s not even getting into the arguments on whether or not you can be saved and retain that grace if you deconvert.
To be more specific tho, I think the analogy is fine. It isn’t even a bad one. But, and not to sound like an internet atheist, but I don’t think it really squares with the consequences.
If you are a bad friend, you lose a friend. No biggie.
If you don’t be a good friend to Yawheh, at BEST you’re condemned to an eternity separate from him, without any detail on what that means. At worst, it’s an eternity of torment. I just… Well, for one, I just never really could myself as a Christian square the idea of Hell as a real place with the character of Yawheh that I was taught. That being an omnibenevolent, omnipresent, omnipotent being who wants all to come to him. So like, I dunno. I think the analogy works on a surface level, it just doesn’t really work if you get into the theology.
An EX was like that
So, I still don't understand how some of the aspects of Christianity work. But thank you for telling me what it isn't technically supposed to do, and some of the more intricate details. However I do have a question, and if this is offensive apologies in advance, but wouldn't The Crusades serve as the same framework for the more "casual Christians" or is that something else?
So, during the Crusades, Christians and Muslims each fought to claim power over the Holy Lands. For Christians, this is where Jesus lived, died, and rose again. For Muslims, this is where Muhammad ascended to heaven. And the Christians did often use their religion to justify the amount of harm they committed towards their enemies. They pretty much made them out to be monsters, not realizing that there were aspects of the Old Testament that Muslims applied to their faith too. They wanted power, and were willing to do anything to gain it.
So, during the Crusades, Christians and Muslims fought for control over the Holy Lands. For Christians, these lands were where Jesus lived his life, died, and rose again. For Muslims, they were where the prophet Muhammad ascended to heaven. The Christians were motivated by power, believing the Muslims were going to destroy everything if they let their faith take hold of what belonged to Christ. So, they mislead everyone into thinking the Muslims were irredeemable monsters, and used their “religion”to commit very heinous things against them. Yet they never took into account that parts of the Old Testament, the first half of the Bible, very much applied to the Muslims’ faith too. And, both groups believed in one God (even though it wasn’t in the same way).
In many ways, yes. Not only did the knights do things that went against their supposedly “Christian” values, but many of the horrible actions committed against the Muslims were done by them as justification for their faith (as well as their desire for power). Both sides fought for control over the Holy Lands, since those were where Christians believed Jesus lived, died, and rose again, and Muslims believed Muhammad ascended to heaven. The sad part is that it often ignored that Islam and Christianity shared aspects that came from the Old Testament, as well as the fact that they both believed in one God. The differences, however, made both sides demonize each other.
The Crusades were originally supposed to be predominantly defensive campaigns that were in response to centuries of Islamic enslavement, dhimmitude, and general crimes against humanity. Originally, the first few crusades were called by the Byzantine Empire in order to defend against encroaching Islamic forces which threatened the existence of non-Islamic peoples. The thought was that after driving out the Islamic governments, places like Byzantium and Egypt would be able to regain the territories that they had lost, but the Crusaders ended up just forming their own independent states in their conquered territories. Pope Urban II also declared that he would pardon the past and present sins of all those who joined in the Crusades in Levant and Spain- which likely gave justification for unjustified killings in areas which were targeted by Crusaders. This became the precedent for later crusades as well. Other Crusades of questionable justification included the 4th Crusade against Byzantium and the Crusade against the Cathars, a heretical pseudo-Gnostic group.
Make of that information what you will. I personally think the only unjustifiable Crusades were the 4th and those against Heretics. Those meant to fight against Islamic encroachment were justified in their intentions but unfortunately were mostly botched in their execution (except for Spain).
Oooh. Thank you for clarifying that information about the Crusades! I’m sorry if I missed out in those crucial details when writing down my response. I admit, only I was speaking of what I knew, so this actually helped me learn a few new things! 😊
I'm 24 years and have been raised in a roman catholic house. I've always had a complicated relationship with religion in general even most of the people in my life are christians. A major reason is because I'm a queer person, non-binary and pansexual.
I still live with my family and I'm still in the closet (except with my sister who doesn't live here anymore) and I just always feel stuck. Like I won't accepted or understood by my family. Or they'll try to convince me that my identity is isn't real. I'm not gonna vent about my whole life story in the comments on a RUclips video so I'll try to sum it up. I don't feel comfortable with christianity/catholicism because it doesn't seem or feel welcoming to members of the LGBTQ+ community like myself. I know there are christians who are welcoming but I never got that sense from where I live. Not to say they are bigoted but it's pretty much a 50/50 chance and I don't know if I want to risk it.
You can transcend it . I know it sounds harsh. I believe that God can help us transcend our sins .
C.S Lewis would have loved Morel Orel
Aren't you sinning willingly every time you sin? Really you just mean, if you feel guilty or not while doing it... which, I'm theory, couldn't you then sin infinitely with guilt and be absolved?
Before we receive salvation, our nature is one of sin. We are slaves to sin, so we don’t willingly sin.
When we receive salvation though, we also receive the Holy Spirit, the person of God that guides us and convicts us to cleanse ourselves of sin. This is a process called sanctification.
If we don’t listen to the Holy Spirit and go against its will, it’s considered blasphemy, and this is what Jesus talked about being the unforgivable sin.
a man once told me: america number 1; the bible says so
i said, excuse me, sir, that's not true. he said, look it up
Wait is that a IDAHO pin?
If your god is perfect, all knowing & all powerful, then he knows who will sin against him before he even creates them, because he knows every outcome. He created hell knowing who (he knowingly created) would go there. Your god is powerful enough to save everyone from the hell he created, but willingly doesn't intercept in the name of "free will" except the time he hardened a pharaoh's heart who wanted to set his slaves free, but your god wanted the pharaoh to keep the slaves to beat and sexually assault.
Praise your god & send me the money!
I don’t follow any religion, but I feel sorry for people trying to live a Christian lifestyle especially in the US. Our culture celebrates and pushes things that go against the Christian ethic relentlessly things like fornication and homosexuality. Again I don’t live by the Christian ethic so I find nothing wrong with these things, but feel sorry for people who do and are constantly bombarded with these messages
Religion causes wars, I abandoned religion completely because of the Palenstine genocide, interesting essay though. Also you can't be a capitalist, patriot, or Nazi and be a Christian at the same time
@@toddbryan5818 those Tankies are not real communists, anarchist philosopher Peter Kropotkin said so
Wars and genocides can be caused for other secular reasons. At least 7 million under Hitler, 10 million under Stalin, and 40 million under Zedong were killed for the purpose of utopia.
And what’s happening in Palestine isn’t because of Christianity, it’s a jumbled mess of Jews, Arab Muslims and dispensationalists.
I did watch the series when I was a in my tween years.
I shouldn't have been watching this series