The Cost of Live Service - A Destiny 2 Video Essay

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  • Опубликовано: 29 дек 2024

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  • @velo403
    @velo403 14 дней назад +34

    What a gem of a video. Well written and spoken kudos.

    • @ScoopReviews500
      @ScoopReviews500  14 дней назад +4

      Thanks so much for the compliment! This was my final project for a film/Digital Media Theory class so I def put a lot of work into the script 😅

  • @exxy9931
    @exxy9931 12 дней назад +18

    Seeing a red border on a non-craftable sent me back. I almost forgot that used to be a thing. lol

  • @Diegopie115
    @Diegopie115 13 дней назад +47

    I think D2 will still be around for a long time but im going to have a panick attack and existencial crisis when D1 is shut down

    • @ScoopReviews500
      @ScoopReviews500  13 дней назад +9

      @@Diegopie115 I will too now because of losing my character characters, but purely for losing the nostalgia. I think the destiny one title screen has legitimately brought me to nostalgic tears at one point considering I got it for my 10th birthday 😭

    • @TheGraffiti600rr
      @TheGraffiti600rr 11 дней назад

      I was around 30 when D1 came out. I miss red war. Even if the gear would be crap, id still go through it ever now and again like i do eternity... theres no reason to play that again once your unlocked everything, but 1 run a month or two isnt that bad.

    • @URSoDead2Me
      @URSoDead2Me 10 дней назад +1

      D2 will NOT be around for a long time and even if it somehow makes it another few years, it'll basically be a super low population experience, i.e. long que times for strikes, pvp, no one around to do raids, etc. It;s best days are WAY behind it so right now, it's not a question of IF anymore, it's a question of WHEN now. Sad thing is, it didn't have to be this way. Just a damn shame all around.

  • @Covolsky
    @Covolsky 12 дней назад +10

    My absolute favorite activity in gaming was waiting in The Farm beside Mythrax asking them if i could carry them through Zero Hour...
    Once Bungie decided to sunset half the game I lost my go to place where I spent all my free time helping out other players, which made me fizzle out of D2 really hard...
    I'm glad I was able to upload my solo run for Zero Hour but sad for everything else I lost...

  • @j-niss
    @j-niss 13 дней назад +26

    My friend group and I played Destiny 2 since the Red war and we stuck with it all the way until the final shape. Now only one of my friends still plays it regularly and the rest of us have moved on. It was a wild ride.
    Great video Man! Keep it up ❤

    • @ScoopReviews500
      @ScoopReviews500  13 дней назад +2

      @@j-niss thanks for the compliment, I actually loved ur subnautica 2 video lmao. Big fan of that franchise as well.
      Also jealous u had that many friends playing destiny I usually only have 1 or 2 at a time 🥲

    • @j-niss
      @j-niss 13 дней назад +2

      @ScoopReviews500 Yo no way! Small world haha. Thank you.
      Bummer! I won't lie, raids with a full squad of friends was something very special.
      Much love 🧡

  • @SkullKrusher000
    @SkullKrusher000 13 дней назад +22

    The corridors of time were frustrating, because streamers started going to hidden discords with their followers to solve the puzzle, and many peoples' submissions were dismissed because it wasn't tied to a streamer. It killed the event for me, because at that point we were just waiting for streamers to finish the puzzle.

    • @ScoopReviews500
      @ScoopReviews500  13 дней назад +2

      @@SkullKrusher000 interesting I don’t remember much about the hidden discords, but I definitely remember people complaining if you weren’t a streamer then you weren’t helping, but those streamers were pulling in groups of people really quickly to get more screenshots so I feel like that’s a little unfair

  • @mobbossgambino
    @mobbossgambino 13 дней назад +6

    To all my fellow guardians, I love you, may me find an experience as the one we found in destiny/2, once again.❤

    • @barrickpateman8084
      @barrickpateman8084 12 дней назад +2

      Thanks moved on from d2 but it was a great run

    • @NikaNoctem
      @NikaNoctem 2 дня назад

      Legitimately teared up after reading this. I hope you find a new game with a community as great as Destiny's.

  • @alexk.9598
    @alexk.9598 13 дней назад +2

    Goosebumps. What an excellent summary of all the feelings I had while playing Destiny.

  • @simpsonsatchel9710
    @simpsonsatchel9710 10 дней назад

    so refreshing to find a person who actually understands the concept of an essay. lowkey amazing work!

    • @ScoopReviews500
      @ScoopReviews500  10 дней назад

      @@simpsonsatchel9710 let’s hope my professor feels the same way 😭🙏🙏🙏

    • @simpsonsatchel9710
      @simpsonsatchel9710 10 дней назад

      ​@@ScoopReviews500 you got this in the bag

  • @imagoloop4819
    @imagoloop4819 12 дней назад +4

    Excellent video bro, while I will always cherish the ups and downs during my time playing destiny, I felt like I had to put it to rest. The constant cycle of content becoming irrelevant only to be replaced by more content that will itself become irrelevant in time is a vicious cycle. I now get my destiny dosage from a Destiny 1 play session every now and then. Knowing that the game is content complete and likely won’t ever be updated is a comforting feeling. I can put it down and come back after a year and everything is just as I left it. The constant change of D2 is dizzying, perhaps one day I will return when they cease updating the game. Until that day I still have the fond memories to mull over.

  • @Soprani_0703
    @Soprani_0703 13 дней назад +7

    You're a gem, great writing and clean video. I'll be subscribing and following !

    • @ScoopReviews500
      @ScoopReviews500  13 дней назад

      Thanks so much I’m glad you enjoyed it! Will be working on my more traditional reviews in the future but who knows, might switch my usual style to be like this

  • @MaxTheZealot
    @MaxTheZealot 12 дней назад +2

    I will be saluting my monitor when Destiny servers go down like 10 years from now. Started playing when I was 12. The story is engrained in my psyche.

  • @revyrev28
    @revyrev28 12 дней назад +3

    a lot of the community should watch this video

    • @ScoopReviews500
      @ScoopReviews500  12 дней назад

      Appreciate the sentiment and feel free to share it around! Would love the interaction, but I don't think I'm allowed to post it places like the Reddit for self promotion

  • @iammrfoxy
    @iammrfoxy 13 дней назад +6

    Amazing video brother 🙌 highlights and brings awareness to how lucky we are to experience this at all 🔥🦊

  • @JackSight
    @JackSight 15 дней назад +13

    actually great video

  • @-whiskey-4134
    @-whiskey-4134 11 дней назад +4

    I’ve been playing both Destiny and Warframe for years. I used to love Destiny…but everything going in with Bungie has killed a lot of my joy and excitement for it.
    I’m still playing Warframe regularly. DE clearly cares so much about their game and community. Is Warframe and DE perfect? Not at all. But when you see how each handles their game and how they interact with the community, and see the difference in monetization practices, and available content….the difference in pretty clear.
    I’d love to play Destiny again. I still do sometimes. But I went from loving what Destiny was to loving what it could be.

  • @walshy1760
    @walshy1760 13 дней назад +9

    From a story standpoint I don’t think anything can compare to the seasonal story that was between Beyond Light and Witch Queen

    • @ScoopReviews500
      @ScoopReviews500  13 дней назад +1

      @@walshy1760 100% I didn’t love season of the lost because we knew what was coming but the other 2 seasons were fire and the witch queen twist + raid were top tier

  • @mrunusualsoupia4433
    @mrunusualsoupia4433 13 дней назад +3

    Absolute Cinema 🙌

  • @BozoTheGreat
    @BozoTheGreat 8 дней назад

    I've been playing Destiny since the game came out the day before my birthday, and I had spent so many nights with my friends just playing the games and doing raids, but now it's not the same.
    I have about 507 hours on Destiny 2, and I'm ashamed of it. I just wish I could get that time back, seriously. I wish I was able to realize I should've stopped long ago.

  • @itztizzle
    @itztizzle 12 дней назад +1

    Wonderful video! Very well done and well articulated 👍🏻

  • @dylankim4190
    @dylankim4190 12 дней назад +1

    we need an MF to leak the uncompiled D1 code so we can emulate it

  • @dinckelman
    @dinckelman 9 дней назад +1

    Destiny is the only live-service game i’ve played, with near 20 years of MMOs in my history, where the content they released, let alone stuff you’ve paid real money for, has been permanently deleted. They can claim what they want, but what’s done is done

  • @bryceyang9279
    @bryceyang9279 14 дней назад +10

    W game and W video

  • @barbaricbri
    @barbaricbri 13 дней назад +8

    Mismanagement and corporate greed will kill this game

    • @Thrillkilled
      @Thrillkilled 10 дней назад +1

      Not just this game; the entire world is being killed by human greed

  • @AUDIEtheONE
    @AUDIEtheONE 12 дней назад

    Art Preservation and Client Hosted Servers or another method of ensuring that live services never fade is what can prevent the loss of beauty and memories

  • @young5395
    @young5395 10 дней назад +1

    Drank this Kool-aid a little too soon and stopped playing the game. I want to get back in but ... I can't. I was there from the very start. Did all the crazy stuff, all the raids. Even the newest raid. But the day after I got off and didn't get back on. It sucks but my friends moved on to newer games. But we never found the new game that could replace Destiny and its larger lobbies for end game content. As a player that always wanted the game to "get better" (though the game isn't bad per say) , I can't feed off of the games "potential" engine anymore.

  • @nathaniel5608
    @nathaniel5608 13 дней назад +5

    It is honestly so frustrating seeing people pour their hearts out for this game and Bungie taking advantage of it. Please just make smarter decisions Bungie, your not feeding the one game that is keeping you alive. I could understand maybe one or two side project games, but come on, Destiny is your money maker. Sorry I just had to rant a little lol. Great video

  • @jeremynorman2009
    @jeremynorman2009 13 дней назад +58

    I hate destiny 2, it's my favorite game

  • @SuperColtsrock11
    @SuperColtsrock11 11 дней назад

    I’ll always have fond memories of my time playing Destiny 1-2 but at 25 years old it just feels impossible to commit the amount of hours the game requires of me anymore. I still return from time to time and dabble but I’ll never be as invested as I was in the high school/college days

  • @luimtegger
    @luimtegger 11 дней назад

    So many memories made while playing this game. I made many friends since D1 into D2 and theyve all fizzled out of my friend group now. All good things come to an end. I just hope that at the very very end of it that Destiny 2 goes out in a huge bang. A massive and positive imprint. We still have time with this game so for those of us still playing.....lets hate Destiny 2 til the end cus its our favorite game. XD
    Love the video it was amazing, well written, the delivery was perfect. 🎉

  • @white0tiger113
    @white0tiger113 13 дней назад +3

    For your next video essay can we push the time a bit to 20 mins at the very least it’d be much appreciated thanks 🙏

    • @ScoopReviews500
      @ScoopReviews500  13 дней назад +2

      @@white0tiger113 I can certainly go for it although this was one limited in length because it was a class project, was already pushing the runtime at 13 min

  • @MartinFevang
    @MartinFevang 12 дней назад +1

    This was a very good video, It's the game we hate to love.

  • @lolgisticalofficer233
    @lolgisticalofficer233 12 дней назад

    I miss the D2 pvp also. The story was great, but I just want to go back and play with friends and not be punished by matchmaking.

  • @H3li0s
    @H3li0s 12 дней назад

    Played it, loved it, then hated it, despised it, left it. miss how it was. RIP destiny 2 murdered by corporate goals.

  • @Benjiizus
    @Benjiizus 11 дней назад

    Just 2,000?! i need help man

  • @sengan2475
    @sengan2475 13 дней назад

    Destiny is vantablack brimstone coal

  • @laurentb.8236
    @laurentb.8236 10 дней назад +1

    The only reason for getting rid of half the game is money. Bungie does not want a "free" game with lots of contents so players can just stay there without buying the next expention. D2 is an aberation. That s the last time I pre order a game. D2 is D1 2.0 It's exactely the same. It was a pure money move. Bungie should have build on D1 without removing contents and we would have now a gigantic MMO with different stories and univers. Why bringing the vault of glass raid? Because it was better and I am someone who use to push Atheon of the edge, if you know what I mean. There s no progression anymore meaning no new players so the game is dying. You can buy the last expention and get straight to it just to realize after 2 weeks that there no way you can do end game since you never build a community to do it with you. And the fact that players became more and more toxic do not help.

  • @Mr-atom55
    @Mr-atom55 11 дней назад

    Video games have to be the only art form that can and does get worse over time.

  • @infragrayscale
    @infragrayscale 12 дней назад +1

    Unfortunately for all of us, this corporatation has discovered how to craft a simulation of a human experience and monetize it.
    Oh you want in on this once in a lifetime experience of sitting in a chair and looking at a screen? Money please. Sorry, that's not enough money, better pay up or I'm gonna take it away, you chumps.

  • @Daemonic6
    @Daemonic6 13 дней назад +3

    When Destiny's servers be shutdown i will open a bottle of champagne.

  • @omdorboy
    @omdorboy 13 дней назад +2

    We hate this game ❤❤

  • @AngeySoup
    @AngeySoup 12 дней назад +5

    Describing something from Destiny 2 as “a beautiful piece of art” is pretty deranged. I think you need to play more games man

    • @rockstarskolas
      @rockstarskolas 12 дней назад +1

      Let me guess, your idea of a “piece of art” is some shitty fromsoft soulslop game that looks like DeviantArt threw up on it?

    • @AngeySoup
      @AngeySoup 11 дней назад +4

      @ No but wild guess though. Do Fromsoft games give you ptsd or something?

    • @xTHExJ0KERxx
      @xTHExJ0KERxx 9 дней назад +1

      @@AngeySoup He's probably bad at the game 😂

    • @Efsneonhearts
      @Efsneonhearts 8 дней назад

      Not every game has their own canvas. Take a look at Call of duty, or ghost recon. Which is now most likely going down with the ship with ubisoft.
      When you take the moment to stop focusing on the bad, put on a pair of headphones and listen or look at your surroundings in destiny 1 or 2. It is art in its own place. I've played multiple games the best two that makes "Atmosphere" best or even a run for bungies money is god of war Ragnarok and a very old ps2 game as older games brought more passion..mortal kombat deception,
      though the comparison is way out of league it is to be reminded that art is more than what a game could or will be.

  • @random75491
    @random75491 12 дней назад

    Destiny 1, circa 2014. Servers status: online. It will be a very long time before D2 servers are shut down. Otherwise, good video.

    • @rockstarskolas
      @rockstarskolas 12 дней назад +1

      Corporations are unpredictable. At any moment Sony could do a round of cost-cutting and shudder Bungie entirely

  • @konkros7495
    @konkros7495 9 дней назад

    I'm done with Destiny 2.

  • @andrewchiappetta1262
    @andrewchiappetta1262 12 дней назад

    This barely scratches the surface of D2's issues and the reasons for them, truthfully. I fear that not acknowledging the publishing and financial issues Bungie has dealt with over the years--and ESPECIALLY the poor management at Bungie--is a misrepresentation of what problems Bungie's live service model faces. There are other live service games that are genuinely successful even while changing the shape and identity of that game, and there are a lot of great moments to be had when something isn't a static experience like Halo.
    The comparisons to Halo are really, really overdone and tired at this point, and I don't think they really hold any water anymore. Many of the devs who made Halo aren't at Bungie anymore. They're different games and different franchises. It's distracting from the valid point that you made--players don't impact the story. This is true for static experiences like Halo or other single-player story games, too. One of the big ups for a live service story is that experiences can feel like they're impactful or not depending on engagement--Helldivers 2 is a great example and would be a significantly better comparison. (On the topic of Halo--having Halo 4 gameplay under "...experience the story exactly how Bungie intended" is an odd lack of attention to detail and it's noticed more than you might think).
    The reason you gave for Bungie's content vaulting is factually incorrect--Bungie didn't do it because the activities were power crept out of the game--I guess you're conflating sunsetting and content vaulting? They did it partly because, like you mentioned, hard drive space was becoming a concern, but primarily because the size of the game made it incredibly difficult for devs to compile new builds, and primarily because of tech debt. By ignoring the fact that Activision planned a Destiny 3 for launch in/around 2020, you miss the detail that Destiny 2's locations were built somewhat poorly because the game was expected to last no more than three years. The tech debt that Bungie accrued over the game's lifespan made it difficult to develop--the same reason a large chunk of D2 is buggy and broken.
    You make a lot of good points about the nature of digital media, and if you're planning to make more of this content in the future, I really believe it's worth talking about intersectionally--music, film, TV, and so many other forms of art are constrained by business decisions and the brutal state of our various media industries, and NOTHING we care about will last if we don't make an effort to keep it around. Cloud services will fail us and take our data with them--our favourite pieces of content will disappear if consumers continue to allow media publishers to control them--we will have nothing to show for the things we put our time into if we don't make the effort to retain copies of them ourselves. It's really important to not scratch the surface of this issue as if the disappearance of digital media is a fact of life. It doesn't have to be this way, but we collectively need to advocate for the media we care about, and the creators of it who are so often unjustly treated by the same publishers who will pull that media the second it isn't profitable.

    • @ScoopReviews500
      @ScoopReviews500  12 дней назад

      I appreciate the comment, I think you made a lot of good points I actually agree with (Halo 4 shoutout was valid, I was just a little lazy by the end to fix it after I got the rest of the halo footage😭). Just as a heads up, as it says in the description of this video, this was my final project for my digital media theory class, so unfortunately, I had to keep the runtime at about 10 minutes and focus very heavily on that aspect of it rather than the Bungie dev aspect. Who knows maybe I’ll do a follow up purely for RUclips where I cover a lot more of this stuff!

  • @Baradiele
    @Baradiele 13 дней назад

    "Then there is the incredibly complex system to customize your character"...yeah, no.

    • @ScoopReviews500
      @ScoopReviews500  13 дней назад +3

      @@Baradiele I’m referring to transmog, shaders, abilities, weapons, emblems, and titles that you acquire as you play and shape your character, not the literal character creation screen considering u don’t see the face you design there 99% of the time

    • @Baradiele
      @Baradiele 12 дней назад

      @@ScoopReviews500 For transmog you have to farm like a maniac or pay it dearly. Shaders are a mess at the very least.
      Abilities are 3 per class per character type with a bunch of word coded modifiers (that you have to farm for as well) and, all in all, fairly simple...the Sphere Grid from FFX is harder to comprehend.
      Weapons are mostly the same all around...They do vary in perks and such but the weapon per se are "just weapons".
      Titles and emblems I do understand the importance although some can be acquired with bugs and such completely negating the base idea.
      To pint out what I meant is not to say the game is crap, it has never been. But recognize the words used. "incredibly complex" is not even Warframe mod system that requires a degree in Warframeology to barely understand it. There are other games that are much more complex that that.
      I played tons of Destiny and Warframe and I can assure you that to compare one against the other in terms of complexity and deepness would be like comparing a notebook to a computer.

  • @SxCPASSi
    @SxCPASSi 13 дней назад +1

    so much overdramatic and overreacting over simple stuff is really dumb bro Imma make a video about this and tell u where u r wrong bro its so absoloutely idk just overreacting no much meaning

    • @geniewood6320
      @geniewood6320 12 дней назад

      Always a negative Nellie. Grow up. Your comments are irrelevant to what’s going on here.

    • @SxCPASSi
      @SxCPASSi 10 дней назад

      @@geniewood6320 im 27 and far more intellect then u and see things on a godly large perspective

  • @SxCPASSi
    @SxCPASSi 13 дней назад +1

    i got more then 6k hours and are not as much sad as u are bro evolving is part of the way move foward or leave bro simple is that I did that with Call of Duty