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How Donkey Kong Works and how Project M OVERTUNED Him

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  • Опубликовано: 18 авг 2024
  • After a year of research, in what could be the final character deep dive series, I go into painstaking detail about the pros and cons of Donkey Kong in Super Smash Bros Melee, and how he can actually be a good character. Then I go into the series of buffs given to him in Project M, buffs that would ultimately make him a top tier.
    Donkey Kong Cookbook: cookbook.gg/Do...
    Donkey Kong Discord: / discord
    Introduction: (00:00)
    Melee Neutral: (00:20)
    Melee Punish: (04:13)
    Melee Offstage: (10:44)
    Project M: (13:05)
    Conclusion: (19:51)
    Songs Used: DK Rap, Jungle Japes, 3DS DK Jungle, Busted Bayou
    Sources:
    VGBootcamp
    Studyofwumbo
    Rishi
    Da
    TheBalc
    Project M Theatre
    Edited by Z: / zactrone
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Комментарии • 320

  • @arJunebugSmash
    @arJunebugSmash  Год назад +275

    For anyone who is asking: my melee DK will be active until at least August 2023 in tournaments, I wanna try a couple majors with the guy before I put up my gloves :)
    After that, I will still play the character, but I won't be fiending for events as much like I was this year. The Kong will never die!
    Edit: yeah so much for this lmao

    • @smackssbm1256
      @smackssbm1256 Год назад +7

      I'd be curious to see you push another character with potential. How about Mewtwo... ?
      In any case, thanks for all the work you've put into DK. I feel like you've significantly contributed to showcase how effective the char could be, when the neutral and gameplan are well put together. There are still hurdles, but you've definitely shown they're nowhere near as high when you're good enough.
      Also, I love Moe. He's made some strides as well.

    • @joeess517
      @joeess517 10 месяцев назад +3

      @@smackssbm1256i mean leffen ruled over europe with Mewtwo if you wanna look into his laddering

    • @josephhelder4084
      @josephhelder4084 9 месяцев назад +4

      Yo thank you for all the hard work on this character. Watching your Big House run was like being a kid again!! Who knew the Kong could do it!?

    • @Dzuh
      @Dzuh 6 месяцев назад +8

      for anyone who finds this video now/later, junebug played dk all year and got rank 40 in the world! had a crazy run to top 16 of big house 11 with wins over a couple top 25 players (and a couple top 100 players)! he is simply the goat i think

    • @Liimbozo
      @Liimbozo 2 месяца назад +1

      @@joeess517 That's honestly a skill diff. Mewtwo is not very good.

  • @vvlaze
    @vvlaze Год назад +689

    So glad you brought up the four multishining Falco’s. He’d been getting away with summoning them for too long.

    • @tangerinepaint3643
      @tangerinepaint3643 Год назад +89

      is it fitting or ironic considering spamming down-b to complete -15 minute- 100 man melee is how people unlocked Falco.

    • @vvlaze
      @vvlaze Год назад +31

      @@tangerinepaint3643I never even thought of that, oh my god

    • @MothFable
      @MothFable Год назад +6

      DK is literally a Diablo necromancer.

    • @SimbyDimby
      @SimbyDimby Год назад +13

      @@tangerinepaint3643 100 man melee but yes. This. Mewtwo neutral-B on the edge for 15 Minute Melee

    • @ex-x7079
      @ex-x7079 Год назад +4

      Imagine if D.K could jump cancel Down B. He'd be crazy.

  • @ennisshabab9557
    @ennisshabab9557 Месяц назад +62

    Coming back to this after a recent melee win

    • @arJunebugSmash
      @arJunebugSmash  24 дня назад +23

      Hell yeah

    • @ennisshabab9557
      @ennisshabab9557 24 дня назад

      @@arJunebugSmash pls make more p+ videos that shit got me into the whole scene.

    • @ssjmura1654
      @ssjmura1654 20 дней назад

      Seeing you do so well has inspired me to pick up the monkey, if only for the memes. How do you feel about uncharged punch? I've been throwing out stuff like 3 winds and it catches people off guard a lot and it still kills a lot of the time.

  • @lukemagnotta7338
    @lukemagnotta7338 7 дней назад +21

    Started as a thought experiment, ended up making history. Congrats on the 3rd place Junebug, glad I was there to witness it in person!

    • @alsayda7911
      @alsayda7911 7 дней назад +1

      Thought experiment... so fitting that his bachelors was in Cognitive Science (he says so in his Cognitive Biases in Tierlists video)

    • @arJunebugSmash
      @arJunebugSmash  5 дней назад +7

      the vibes were so good there, may make a video about this

    • @Icedmanta
      @Icedmanta 3 дня назад

      @@arJunebugSmash "How I made top 3 with DK for the first time ever" it writes itself it really does

  • @archedeus
    @archedeus 6 дней назад +11

    Watching this after you got top 3 at this years Supernova! Congrats man for making history!

  • @quinndepatten4442
    @quinndepatten4442 Год назад +91

    The 9 wind being stronger is a really elegant piece of game design. It rewards you for paying attention. I think that's why they kept it that way. With the full wind you're paying a direct cost of time charging -> move power, but with the 9 wind, you're paying to cost of not only the time charging, the precision of cancelling at just the right time.

    • @quarium5681
      @quarium5681 Год назад +10

      Its a purposeful design desicion, thats why it has stayed even up to ultimate (I think there might be a tip for it in Ult as well?)

    • @jakefromstatefarm6969
      @jakefromstatefarm6969 11 месяцев назад +5

      ​@@quarium5681it's also how Roy's neutral b in ult works as well

    • @15MinuteUpload
      @15MinuteUpload 2 месяца назад +1

      @@jakefromstatefarm6969 yes this now true for many charge moves as far as I know, for instance the last stage before full charge of the bite portion of corrin's neutral B does more knockback but slightly less damage than the full charge, which allows you to choose between more knockback vs more damage depending on the situation with a slight skill check of getting the timing right

  • @malignantpootis213
    @malignantpootis213 Год назад +194

    The perception of Melee's cast over the span of its 20+ year life in competitive tournaments has been through one of the most remarkable evolutions as a fighting game.

    • @davebob4973
      @davebob4973 Год назад +7

      im waiting for kirby to become viable

    • @pon3d120
      @pon3d120 Год назад +15

      @@davebob4973Be the change you wish to see.

    • @FlamingZelda3
      @FlamingZelda3 Год назад +2

      @@pon3d120 lmao

    • @malignantpootis213
      @malignantpootis213 Год назад +18

      @@davebob4973 Play smash 64. Problem solved

    • @davebob4973
      @davebob4973 Год назад +1

      @@malignantpootis213 smash 64 is for dweebs. i am also a dweeb

  • @PennyFizz
    @PennyFizz Год назад +320

    i haven't been this excited about a Donkey Kong video since Rishi released his magnum opus

  • @wusstunes
    @wusstunes Год назад +45

    I can't believe it's finally here

  • @the_bookworm8281
    @the_bookworm8281 Год назад +40

    PM DK is basically what happens if you combine Melee and Brawl DK, predicted the future on SSB4 DK stuff, and then inject a massive dosage of steroids on top of everything for one of the strongest heavies ever invented in Smash.

  • @Mogswamp
    @Mogswamp 9 месяцев назад +27

    8:23 - 8:47
    This was such a good summary of all the reasons I main DK

    • @generamana
      @generamana 6 месяцев назад +3

      nice to find mogswamp on one of my favorite videos

    • @sophisticatedsheep8178
      @sophisticatedsheep8178 4 месяца назад +2

      Why is the Minecraft guy here

  • @cstick2664
    @cstick2664 Год назад +193

    The limitations of P+ beginning its development and giving initial character designs in like 2010. When the meta of melee, which I bet they used as a starting point for many characters, was so completely different.

    • @arJunebugSmash
      @arJunebugSmash  Год назад +52

      Very good point!

    • @prophetedubaroque5136
      @prophetedubaroque5136 Год назад +8

      And then there's yoshi that got a weird meixture of melee and brawl that ends up hurting him more than anything.

    • @sentientmeat96
      @sentientmeat96 Год назад +6

      ​@@prophetedubaroque5136? Yoshi is extremely good in P+

    • @prophetedubaroque5136
      @prophetedubaroque5136 Год назад +1

      @@sentientmeat96 really? That's not what I've seen but perhaps. I mean he does have great moves

    • @sentientmeat96
      @sentientmeat96 Год назад +4

      @@prophetedubaroque5136 yeah i think it's his strongest iteration. there r lots of reasons but my opinion aside, ShinyZubat used to mess top players up w Yoshi

  • @YoutubeCommonman_Totas
    @YoutubeCommonman_Totas 25 дней назад +4

    The way you describe down b makes me think of Yu gi oh.
    "I use Down-B, which allows me to summon four Multishining Falcos to the battlefield!"

  • @timmasters1195
    @timmasters1195 Год назад +17

    What kind of a RUclips Smash creator not only admits their personal bias but shows multiple clips of themselves getting mixed by DK?
    Seriously, great video. Sometimes it feels like DK is the last PM character in P+. But also Mario.

  • @deep_cuts2019
    @deep_cuts2019 Год назад +43

    Man I’m loving this melee DK renaissance. So much good DK content recently

  • @monorail0
    @monorail0 Год назад +22

    I want to point out how this was a fantastic in-depth primer of DK's kit. Every character could benefit from having a concise overview of setups, combos, etc in this style.

  • @Shingoway
    @Shingoway Год назад +38

    Loved it. You mentioned that the P+ patch aimed to nerf recoveries across the board, and I was wondering what other philosophies and principles the dev team used when it came to rebalancing the cast as some of the changes I don't completely agree with.

    • @arJunebugSmash
      @arJunebugSmash  Год назад +14

      That's fair, I disagree with some of them too! The full changes are on projectplusgame.com iirc but I know some of the justification from conversations I've had with dev members

  • @zachsteiner
    @zachsteiner Год назад +111

    Hope this doesn’t mean you’re done playing DK. Out of every character you’ve played I think your DK has by far been the sickest. I think you have the potential to take him super far. I absolutely loved watching your recent performances. You’re so fucking good man. That match against Adwan at Collision 2023 has been one of my most rewatched sets.

  • @eeveewithcoffee9554
    @eeveewithcoffee9554 Год назад +61

    I feel like DK and Pikachu are like Slowbro from RBY. They aren’t better than anything above them but they’re better than anything below them. They’re like the wall between the mid/low and high/top tiers

    • @byrne1807
      @byrne1807 Год назад +19

      I feel like peach is the one who’s traditionally played that role in melee, she beats every character below her and loses to every character above her. She has a few close ones, like falco above and Samus below, but ultimately I think she’s the gatekeeper more than anyone else in melee. She kinda just outboxes all the bad characters and gets outsped by all the good ones

    • @user-nm9yd4wq4s
      @user-nm9yd4wq4s Год назад +7

      why do people keep comparing things to the RBY gen 1 meta game? Of all meta games on Showdown too? It's such a random metric for comparison. Is the format that popular?

    • @sleevebox3352
      @sleevebox3352 Год назад +2

      the tier list bouncer

    • @jessehunter362
      @jessehunter362 Год назад +13

      @@user-nm9yd4wq4st’s small roster and well-aged metagame lend it to comparisons with melee well.

  • @Nin10doh98
    @Nin10doh98 Год назад +17

    Wait a second, this isn’t a Zach Honest video being posted in r/SSBPM... THIS IS A JUNEBUG VIDEO IN MY SUB BOX!

  • @5gods
    @5gods Год назад +15

    honestly we don't just need guides we also need daily Junebug monkey rampage highlights :)

  • @SSB_Seal
    @SSB_Seal Год назад +21

    As impressive as all of your "I'm playing this character to make a video about it" results have been, the DK especially has just been incredible to witness. Great video as always and looking forward to whatever is next!

  • @turndownforwalt
    @turndownforwalt Год назад +9

    You sounded really good in the DK rap June I hope you consider a career in music

  • @jonathanc3001
    @jonathanc3001 9 месяцев назад +2

    Here after you placed 13th at Big House 11! Keep up the great work with the monke!

  • @orbitalape
    @orbitalape Год назад +2

    Kongtent is here
    we are so back baby

  • @meleekat
    @meleekat Год назад +5

    this is huge tysm my goat

  • @memenatsuki2577
    @memenatsuki2577 Год назад +1

    7:56 the head nods followed by the opponent rolling his eyes and shaking his head. Lmao

  • @dattemay0
    @dattemay0 Год назад +6

    better not be any clips of me getting combod in here

  • @cammatthewhayes
    @cammatthewhayes 4 дня назад +2

    this video can't stop aging well

  • @baileyayyy5085
    @baileyayyy5085 9 месяцев назад +5

    congrats on the big house 11 turnout and sincerest thanks for the flood of inept dks washing over my online sets

  • @VisaCardholder
    @VisaCardholder Год назад +8

    Sounds hot. Can't wait to see it.

  • @wakeHSR
    @wakeHSR Год назад +4

    I just wanted to say this video is so goddamn good. The timing of Dk's showing up in more tournaments is perfect for this videos release. Also your perspective is invaluable and as someone that only watches melee its really sick for someone to break down what makes DK tick. I really hope this isnt the last one you do as I really love this series.

  • @meleesadposts
    @meleesadposts Год назад +2

    SAY IT OUT LOUD I LOVE YOU DONKEY KONG

  • @TastyCarcass
    @TastyCarcass Год назад +3

    I believe aerial up b is 4 frames of invincibility as it happens on frame 2, 3, 4, and 5. Insane move!
    Awesome video btw

  • @00Krohnos
    @00Krohnos Год назад +1

    Damn that eyeroll at the end must have been so satisfying to watch back for the first time. I dream of causing these moments.

  • @t3cchan
    @t3cchan Год назад +9

    The comedic timing on this video is so fucking good. I loved every second of it

  • @grobtongles
    @grobtongles 5 месяцев назад +2

    this is both the best dk guide and the funniest shit i've ever seen. good thing i just got melee, it's tax season

  • @froakie1404
    @froakie1404 5 дней назад +1

    watching this after you got top 3 at supernova, was sooo fucking hype to be in that crowd, congrats!

  • @x9x9x9x9x9
    @x9x9x9x9x9 Год назад +3

    Since we are allowing all these weird changes to melee with boxes and phobs and what not I think we should just go in and buff low tiers. I just wanna use SDRemix pichu, mario, and game and watch in bracket lol. Seriously though SD pichu is nuts.

    • @jacobwillson2545
      @jacobwillson2545 Год назад +2

      Nah part of the appeal of Melee is that there are low tiers that are underexplored. Buffing them would take away one of the main appeals of Melee in that it is a constantly evolving game but only through the developments of the metagame. And Mario is decent enough for you to do good at a local imo.

    • @x9x9x9x9x9
      @x9x9x9x9x9 Год назад +1

      @@jacobwillson2545 I get what you mean. Maybe I should have a tournament and have an SD remix bracket. I know Mario is not trash I have used him in a regional. I mean I went 1-2 but I was there for fun not to win.

  • @awareclueless
    @awareclueless Год назад +3

    DK has become one of my go to play for fun characters when Im not in the mood to tryhard and I gotta say you, rishi and ringler have made a great part to this decision. Love how much I learn about this character!

  • @AsherCaldwell
    @AsherCaldwell 4 месяца назад +2

    Bowser next?

  • @virgiebabie6903
    @virgiebabie6903 Год назад +2

    So, wait… if PM DK, a grappler with a bit of every option, really good mobility, consistent combos, etc. is considered borderline OP… what about other characters with similar designs like Charizard? Does that say much about them in this meta as well, or is this mostly just a Donkey Kong thing?

  • @VerbDoesStuff
    @VerbDoesStuff Год назад +1

    I really do love how every single pronunciation of “Donkey Kong” on the internet has become Dunker’s voice

  • @professorpick
    @professorpick 9 месяцев назад +1

    This legit makes me want to play DK and reminds me how beautiful melee is. There is always something I didn't know

  • @helioabc
    @helioabc 15 дней назад

    Finished watching all your videos analyzing specific characters. Really good stuff, would love to see more.

  • @CarlosPerez-jv2fz
    @CarlosPerez-jv2fz Год назад +1

    That intro rap tho, you might be in the XXL freshman class this year

  • @klarekeum7330
    @klarekeum7330 Год назад +3

    Yooooo THE BEAST WILL SHINE

  • @Nightwalker86
    @Nightwalker86 Год назад +5

    DK might be even more centralizing in PM than P+ strictly bc most of the other broken characters were fixed correctly.

  • @flarpssb304
    @flarpssb304 Год назад +1

    14:34 There I am Gary!

  • @miffty-vw1ir
    @miffty-vw1ir 4 месяца назад +1

    Watching these videos make me think that DK is secretly a slept on top tier character, and then I go play him and remember why people underestimate his potential.

  • @kingjacko302
    @kingjacko302 Год назад +4

    So excited for this one :)))

  • @rytoryk2642
    @rytoryk2642 Год назад +3

    It's kinda funny because back in 2019 when I was playing PM competitively, a DK in my region legit made me want to quit the game. I thought he was busted back then and had no desire to play against him

  • @GoldDragon20
    @GoldDragon20 Год назад +1

    You should try HDR DK. Man’s a menace
    He’s PM DK with a barrel that functions similarly to Kragg Rock

  • @RealNikTrustMe
    @RealNikTrustMe Год назад +3

    i think the best way to retune DK (in smash 6?) is to make his grappling style more traditional. make it hard for DK to get in and swap his bad recovery for bad edge guarding, but give DK more combo tools with a wide (yet DI-able) combo tree to make him both easy to pick up and tough to master

    • @Bladieblah
      @Bladieblah Год назад +1

      DI-able just means no combo's at all since any decent player will properly DI. Melee's DI system works because DI can be used to shorten extensions or reach platforms, not because you can straight up DI to escape

  • @Bladieblah
    @Bladieblah Год назад +1

    Great video, you keep getting better at making these. The jokes were so good, especially at the start

  • @TheAmazingMrSloop
    @TheAmazingMrSloop Год назад +2

    I absolutely love this series, and this edition is no exception. The Junebug DK arc has been one of the best melee storylines of the past year and this video is a treat of a final product. Though I will say that the rumor mill foretold that there could be one more deep dive arc that could involve one young hero of time, and I am absolutely in support of that if it were to happen! Regardless, thanks for the work put into this video!

  • @mewnessbro
    @mewnessbro Год назад +1

    You're actually so good at making content Junebug god damn

  • @bb97979
    @bb97979 Год назад +3

    HYPE

  • @napstackzz
    @napstackzz 11 месяцев назад

    The editing on this is so good, awesome video!

  • @miamira1856
    @miamira1856 Год назад +7

    The amount of dedication you put into these videos is unreal! I totally understand if you never want to do another one but I'd love to see Link as he's going through a minor revolution of his own

  • @SRUFUS3D
    @SRUFUS3D Год назад +1

    Lore Accurate Donkey Kong.

  • @Aflay1
    @Aflay1 Год назад +1

    “According to all known laws of deviation, there is no way a Donkey Kong should be able to contend with the meta. His jump squats are too small to get his fat monkey body off the ground. The Donkey Kong, of course, back airs you anyway, because Kong mains don't care what the meta think is impossible. Walnuts, peanuts, pineapple smells. Grapes melons oranges, Oh! Coconut shells. Lets mix it up a little."

  • @elibonham4388
    @elibonham4388 5 дней назад +1

    June bug is the goat he's also handsome with that beard srsly why do you have the best beard

  • @Pan_Z
    @Pan_Z 2 дня назад

    PM DK makes me wonder how much better he would be with simple fixes to his hitboxes and shield. A functional shield with full coverage is already a big buff.

  • @ItsCenrryTH
    @ItsCenrryTH Год назад +2

    Nobody can stop him
    HE JUST KEEPS EXPANDING

  • @Ossimsauce
    @Ossimsauce 25 дней назад +1

    The beginning

  • @nintenstation128
    @nintenstation128 Год назад +4

    monke

  • @christomanci
    @christomanci Год назад +1

    This was a barrel blast

  • @isaacn4487
    @isaacn4487 Год назад +1

    amazing video as always junebug, these are so wonderful :)

  • @gamincaimin9954
    @gamincaimin9954 Год назад +2

    Can we appreciate how we all came together to watch a video about a bigass monkey's prowess in a 20 year old party game? I love melee and the internet

    • @Bladieblah
      @Bladieblah Год назад +1

      *fighting game. But yeah, melee is dope

    • @wakkaseta8351
      @wakkaseta8351 Год назад

      @@Bladieblah
      *Party game. But yeah, melee is dope.

  • @RiahGreen
    @RiahGreen Год назад

    "Give him a barrel projectile too, I feel like brawl minus nailed it"
    HDR dev team: Hold my beer.

  • @dankachilles9356
    @dankachilles9356 Год назад

    That rap in the beginning was sooooo bad it's soooooo good lmfao

  • @EliTheGleason
    @EliTheGleason Год назад

    Intro is funky

  • @somethingsomething7903
    @somethingsomething7903 Год назад +2

    nice video! anything to say about smash 64 dk? i know nobody really cares about vanilla 64 anymore but i feel like there's quite some things about him that dont get touched on much

    • @theobserver4214
      @theobserver4214 Год назад

      He’s low tier but specifically counters Jigglypuff

  • @Sundaiiz
    @Sundaiiz Год назад +1

    There's definitely something strange going on with the 9 wind punch having less knockback.
    My guess is that whatever formula they coded for the knockback multiplier is a little heavy & inverts starting there.

    • @quarium5681
      @quarium5681 Год назад

      This is in every smash game, its purposeful

    • @Sundaiiz
      @Sundaiiz Год назад

      @@quarium5681 WHY?! That's so weird 😭

  • @alb7466
    @alb7466 Год назад

    Ty for the brawl minus mention, love that mod

  • @Miphos
    @Miphos 7 месяцев назад

    Top tier vid! Will there be one on Yoshi eventually? ❤

  • @Tuckzelda
    @Tuckzelda Год назад

    great video, adding the little stango interview to keep up with the P+ scene today was a nice touch. DK is BUSTED!

  • @key_mochi
    @key_mochi Год назад

    This video is like is Scar had a commentary track over "I Killed Mufasa". Sick showcase and analysis, man.

  • @x9x9x9x9x9
    @x9x9x9x9x9 Год назад

    Its finally here! I have been waiting for this.

  • @felix56p
    @felix56p 11 месяцев назад

    20:08 lol that eye roll

  • @NightGhost-qs6yw
    @NightGhost-qs6yw Год назад +2

    Wait does this mean no more junebug dk runs in melee? :(

  • @Apocralyph
    @Apocralyph Год назад

    Shoutouts to Brawl- for creating the perfect ape.

  • @lunchables5094
    @lunchables5094 Год назад +2

    Don't worry, Toon Link beats DK in PM 6-4. That's what smashboards told me.

    • @arJunebugSmash
      @arJunebugSmash  Год назад +1

      And smashers are always right since the dawn of time

  • @HealthyHospital
    @HealthyHospital 11 месяцев назад +1

    Hey I really want to play Project M as conveniently as possible. Does anybody know if there’s a slippi version of it? Haven’t played it in a minute. It’s a awesome to see the game is still being talked about and even played today!

  • @Phychologik
    @Phychologik Год назад +1

    8:44 Is that... a fox in space reference?

  • @kestrelynn
    @kestrelynn Год назад

    I love the arc hating dk in pm/+ and then getting some of his best results in melee history

  • @eu4um
    @eu4um Год назад

    Babe wake up new Junebug video

  • @citrus5797
    @citrus5797 Год назад

    Donkey Kong is here!

  • @Strong_Badam
    @Strong_Badam Год назад +2

    thank you Strong Bad

  • @TheSlowchamp
    @TheSlowchamp Год назад

    Your voice is a fusion of Arlo and Dunky

  • @thelemonadestandman
    @thelemonadestandman Год назад +1

    You mention that DK is bigger in PM because Brawl's model was just simply larger than it was in Melee. I want to ask, because way back in the day my friend told me that the characters in Brawl all had larger models than they had in Melee and got shrunk somewhat in PM (with the exception of Bowser, and now I guess DK too), is any of that true? Do PM characters have smaller model sizes compared to the Brawl characters?
    Also the Barrel projectile in Brawl Minus is so fun, I would happily trade away a chunk of DK's mobility to have the barrel in P+

    • @arJunebugSmash
      @arJunebugSmash  Год назад +2

      the brawl model was shrunk iirc, but its still bigger

  • @justicetaylor3050
    @justicetaylor3050 Год назад +1

    I think what caught me off guard the most was giving him effectively a lag free tether grab, lol. I know he has long arms, but low lag grabs are supposed to be balanced with low reach.

    • @freddiesimmons1394
      @freddiesimmons1394 Год назад +1

      Except on the character that makes "grappling" his thing?

    • @Buglin_Burger7878
      @Buglin_Burger7878 Год назад

      ​@@freddiesimmons1394 What changes should be how effective the results of a successful grab is, not the ease of it.

    • @freddiesimmons1394
      @freddiesimmons1394 Год назад

      @@Buglin_Burger7878...because?

    • @smogon3215
      @smogon3215 Год назад

      ​@@freddiesimmons1394good grab combos should be linked to the grabs length being difficult/easy depending on what the character gets off of grabs. For the most part, tether grabs or long ranged grabs are balanced because they don't provide amazing combos or kill that much. DK does have both of those, but IC your point since DK is a big, comboable character, so grabs should be a really strong point.

    • @freddiesimmons1394
      @freddiesimmons1394 Год назад

      @@smogon3215 a heuristic like that is fine, but you break heuristics to give characters unusual ways to stand out

  • @tyjle
    @tyjle Год назад

    Such a good video. Thanks for all the hot tips, gotta pick up the monke

  • @boomstickYT
    @boomstickYT 10 месяцев назад

    20:06 the eyeroll omg lol

  • @valiantsword2656
    @valiantsword2656 Год назад

    This sounds eeerily similar to Ultimate Rob without the projectiles and more about the grabby grabby

  • @JforJonas
    @JforJonas Год назад

    Love these vids! A heads up; your mic is clipping quite a bit. If you're interested, I'd love to help with your mic setup. I got a degree in audio and have helped a bunch of other content creators as well

  • @Jakerunio
    @Jakerunio 10 месяцев назад

    Okay but the barrel projectile was a really funny addition, put it in the next smash.

  • @octorox_animation
    @octorox_animation Год назад +2

    PM made him bigger, faster and stronger too.

    • @arJunebugSmash
      @arJunebugSmash  Год назад +1

      LMAOOOO how did I miss the opportunity to do this

  • @kkoolade3882
    @kkoolade3882 7 месяцев назад +1

    OMG Subscribed😍!!