How did Donkey Kong win a Melee tournament?
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Super Smash Bros. Melee has been played at a high level for over two decades. New players, techniques and even characters have risen to unthinkable heights over the years, but because of this rapid improvement we’re left with an obvious question - has Melee reached the ceiling?
Well, no, not even close. Donkey Kong is a good character now.
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The fact that one of the counters to Ice Climbers is for DK to kidnap a woman is shockingly appropriate for him
Moreso the original Donkey Kong (AKA Cranky Kong), but his grandson (Modern DK) *did* kidnap Pauline in Mario Vs. Donkey Kong 2 later on
@@jaredhebert942 it's a Kong family business
Ah yes, the good ol' "Don't bother with the Amber Alert, you're not getting her back."
@@XSniper74184that's a wild statement lmao
@@eegernades I stole it from Russian Bajur, so all credit to him.
hey guys its me turndownforwalt
Classic Walt Moment
Hey wait a second
:]
JUNEBUG U CAN WIN A SUPER MAJOR TRUST
You had me there for a sec
The development of melee post-slippi release is one of the most incredible things in competitive gaming history
Melee tech names in the 2000s:
The Mangle, the ocean man
Melee tech names in 2020S THE KIDNAP, THE ABDUCTION, THE WATERBOARD
Melee tech in 2050’s: Greg
Greg invented all of these in his basement in 2009
the 2000s one sounds like warioware poses
@@tezcanaslan2877GregTech???5?
there are no frame 6 standing grabs, just frame 7
How did a comment from a God go unnoticed!?
Finally, an expert has weighed in
A God has blessed us with its presence
lolm2k
Big respect 🫡
6:11 DK is "a hybrid between a grappler and a zoner." So...a Groaner.
Zappler
incredible
Ohhhhhhhhhh😯
A groomer
@@Lunchbillion what are you doing here?
Cant wait for the video essay on Bowser winning a major in like 2027 or something
That would shake the whole community with Bowser being viable competively
I mean hey people are realizing Bowser isn't actually the worst character in the game, so, you never know, maybe some crazy developments will happen. But likely will never win a major tournament let alone ever make a top 8.
@@jrodd13 imagine after years we see fucking bowser win a turnament
@@jrodd13 I believe in the funny turtle
@@Heartache2491 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
What people aren't mentioning, is the fact that we need to thank Rishi's jungle jam for this evolution of the meta
We need to thank Wusstunes for giving it the name it deserves.
yo real life facts
I fucking low how Donkey Kong is a common topic of video essays now
I low dk too
RiP Harambe...no? okay :(
Waiting for a video essayist to extensively talk DK in a larger philosophical essay on how tradition and conventional wisdom shapes the world as we know it.
@@gingervald8601 "return to monke"
Dude for real
Right next to Amsas Red Yoshi
I love how abducting Nana is legit just a viable strategy in the Ice Climbers matchup. Not only is it hilarious but it's very fitting of DK's character too
15:32 Of course DK's winning strategy involves kidnapping the damsel, some things never change
why tf is everyone in the melee community so good at editing
They got 215 actions per minute in Premiere Pro
Melee seems to be the epicenter of so many different channels and groups here on youtube. And I'm convinced it's actually an SCP that subconsciously teaches people how to make content. There's no other explanation for why so many high profile youtube creators have direct ties back to the comparatively small Melee scene.
Real 💀 Lmfao
@@albinofroggythere are some goated communities
@@albinofroggy Being as real as possible - confirmation bias.
DK stealing your girl as a legit strat has got to be one of the funniest things.
walt saying this video is "lighter on editing" meanwhile it still is absolutely eye candy to watch
walt saying anything this video. meanwhile it's Melee so chances are half these players are pedos
Remember in 2009 when everyone thought everyone would only be playing fox in 20xx
20XX isn’t over until 2100
We have 76 years left to get there.
@@DerkDurski By then, Dr. Mario, Samus, Ganondorf, pikachu, and luigi will have won majors.
cody "blame the match-up" schwab
@@lifeiswonderful22Pikachu has already won a major
Bro really played MF DOOM in the beginning and thought we wouldn’t notice
Bro pulled out “Smash Snitch Knishes” 🔥🔥🔥
Please credit the original, it's from Space Oddity.
rapp snitches tellin on they business
Looked for this comment 😹
Rap Snitches, tellin all they business....
5:15 I love how you're suprised at Mario being 5th but don't even comment on Zelda being at 6th
I bet he assumed Zelda was actually just Sheik
@@notZabami No no, Shiek was 1st on the leaderboard
Zelda has the best down special in the game: Down B
Zelda cooks the people don't know about her Frame 5 spotdodge dab (they do know about her Frame 5 spotdodge dab)
@@turndownforwalt shut up
AsumSaus and Walt uploads in the same week? We’re so back.
we are eating so good
Two things, one is that wusstunes deserves a shoutout for being the first to document Dk's rise 16 months ago in the greatest detail, 2nd is that I'm very bad at melee and barely understand what's happening in the fights, to see the reaction speed and strategy in slow motion in the Junebug vs Salt match was insane to see.
That dk version of mf doom was sick in the intro
YOU KNOW HIM WELL
HE’S FINALLY BACK TO KICK SOME TAIL
coconut gun
I genuinely don’t understand how a game that’s 20 years old with no balance changes and extremely minimal patches (ucf and the wobbling ban being about it) can still have hidden high tier characters, whether that’s Yoshi or DK. How did not a single person in the 2 decades prior not see DK for what he is? It’s not like he’s changed at all. I guess Bum got decent results for a brief period back in the day. But he didn’t change anyone’s mind about how good DK was.
my theory is due to the fact as good as DK is he has a lot of glaring weaknesses so i think i just took someone like june to really show what he can do
Seeing weird characters do well back then wasn't weird either. Zelda used to be considered good. The difference is that in the modern meta, you have to be an absolute madman to win using non-top tier characters. With how optimized play has gotten, it takes a disproportionate amount of work to get results with the more weird but good characters. I still believe Samus suffers from the same issue, needing a player like aMsa or Junebug
Ppl don’t care abt characters they sleep on, and so no development goes into them. I want to know how ult will be in 20 yes after ppl develop characters
Melee's very deep - You can't just look at it and know everything there is to know. Turns out DK had plenty of neutral tools to develop that no one had ever thought to try
@@legoyoda9026 tbf June isn't even the most DK DK player, there are more technical ones i think June just has years of experience in Melee but also because this man had to fight DK for years in PM and that changes someone, fighting DK in general for that long changes people
Rap snitches using DK sounds is something I didn’t realize I needed
31:00 @arJunebugSmash doing exactly 9 charges while celebrating is just hilarious
I didn't realize Junebug was so handsome, holy shit.
💀💀
Sus
@@TheGreatestRheaKeep seething, uggo!
He is a rad brown dad after all
i knowwww right??
„Monke go“ -Junebug
Yeah that sums it up
If I had a nickel for every time a long video about the rise of DK in melee was uploaded this week, I'd have two nickels which isn't a lot but it's weird how it happened twice
No way, it's Nanashi Shin Megami Tensei IV Apocalypse for the Nintendo 3DS
Whats the other video? Asum?
My thoughts exactly @@wumbojet. What a based individual
obscure, but amazing across the 2nd dimension reference
@@legendpolarbear1058 Eh. The movie is obscure, but the reference is common as dirt.
i'd been wondering, "how diddy do that?"
As a long time PM player it makes me so happy to see Junebug doing so well on a big stage. He's so good and the world deserves to know
The year is 20DK. All players play Donkey Kong and fish for grabs and punishes off of said grabs. Fox is banned.
Kong snitches, tellin all they bidness, go battlefield and be they own star witness
Some day someone is going to figure out some Bowser tech and we’ll be in business
Bowser revolution incoming
Can't wait for 20poyopoyo when Kirby reveals themselves to be the top 0 character
0:25 "Bing beat Cody Scwhab" does not sound like a fucking sentence but it is.
The true spirit of smash, finishing grand finals by kidnapping your opponent
I always though the spirit of in-person Smash tournaments was weaponizing stank.
Walter… put your dk away walter……
I’m not 1v1ing you walter…..
So glad the guy who unlocked Falco for me by spamming his down special finally got some recognition
The stickerbruah symphony they not like us really got me at the end 😂
JuneBug winning Evo while wearing a gorilla suit, is all i ask for.
Kongified MF Doom, nice.
ALL CAPS
Wusstunes mention let's GOOO
Junebug looking scrumptious in these interviews
R.I.P. MF DOOM
I've been enjoying a lot of your stuff lately, keep at it!
I cannot wait for DK to one day win a major. There's no denying a fluke run will happen at least once. All hail our Kong overlords!
Man, it makes my heart so happy to hear people just casually throwing MF DOOM beats into their stuff. There was a time where I really thought I was one of the only people my age listening to DOOM. I never could have guessed how far his reach really was.
Video starts at 2:40 so you can skip the ad.
Tier lists are limited to the current knowledge of the game. Lower tier characters should always be explored.
rishi was on to something back in the day apparently
The DK renaissance is real
THE 20DK MOVEMENT IS REAL 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
Shout-out Bum and the HoC
Appreciate you!!!
LOVE the MF Doom "Coffin Nails" playing in the bg at the beginning. Good taste.
all caps when you spell the man name
@@Dow_v97🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
I can't wait for you to do a video on the Game and Watch win that will happen in November
He looks like that one dog pillow 2:26
“DO NOT get a dog pillow from temu…”
Competitive melee players were incredibly closed minded for over 10 years which is why this surge in under appreciated characters can happen. Hell, they used to throw stuff at players using some of the “boring” top tiers. The community is very weird but I’m glad that the new wave of players seem to be far more mature.
Way less to do with an attitude shift in Melee and way more to do with the advent of Slippi and increasingly good training resources.
I think a lot of people's experience with the Melee community is "A Melee player was mean to me online because I liked another Smash game" but the older scene wasn't closed minded about lower tier characters. You even have people like Leffen, pretty notorious for being an asshole, champion characters like Mewtwo because they genuinely believe the rest of the scene doesn't see the full potential.
"WHO THREW A FUCKING CRAB AT ME"
Love the MF DOOM remix
Just finished the new AsumSaus video now a Walt video, melee fans eating good fr fr
loved that dk sound font for rap snitch knishes
The idea that DK can overcome his weakness by kidnapping Nana is hilarious
Heavily appreciate mentioning BUM in this video. Love that dude, his stint in Smash rarely ever gets mentioned
It’s 17 years after BUM got 4th in MLG Long Island 2007 with DK, and it has been topped by Junebug with 3rd in Supernova 2024
putting not like us in the background is so funny, junebug is what the culture is feeling
DK rap snitches wasn't something I knew I needed in my life. Thanks
That Rap snitch knishes instrumental on the dk sound font is heavenly
29:01 randall moment
I love that you have footage of Smash Remix in here 🤩
Absolute banger of an opening song. Never would have guessed how good it sounds in that soundstyle.
I wish my editing was this good, great video tho! I used to watch June play at Xanadu all the time lol
No way you watch melee!!!
I really gotta try this Donkey Kong thing out
I had a feeling Donkey Kong was gonna come up in melee he had the jank but needed someone to utilize it just glad more characters are becoming viable
I think the main thing that serves as DK's saving grace is that despite his flaws he still has pretty good mobility across the board for someone with his weight. He's faster than falco and the marios on the ground and has pretty good air physics.
Video music, editing and content on point. FKNG awesome to keep seeing "low tiers" making it.
"New leader of the bunch..." lol nice
I'm calling the next character to rise is G&W, Pichu and Ness
Dude the rap snitches donkey Kong version had me dying. Perfect song
thx for using the "m2k gets wobbled (sad)" clip, always makes me laugh
June bug looks like a monk that randomly locked in one day
BING actually beat Zuppy this past weekend!
When I read the title I said out loud “because he’s fucking good, duh”
Ya know, I used to play melee competitively, got PR'd in Northeast PA briefly some time in the mid or late 2010's. Played Samus and Falco, but very occasioanlly switched to DK. Always felt like DK would be better in the hands of another player that played him more regularly just by the fact that very occasioanally, I noticed he won interactions that other characters lost. He just needed someone to figure him out, and I love that he's now getting the attention he deserves.
I'm not going to get back into the game competitively at this point, and definitely won't get anywhere with DK, but I love to watch him in tourney.
I played in South Central PA around that time. What was your tag?
@@wafflebroz Hard to say because I switched around a lot, think in that time I went by the classic HIV+ because of melee character limit, but could've been Ubermensch or SteamNTrd with another generic in-game tag for gameplay. Didn't travel too much, went to State College for a regional once and didn't make it out of pools. Stopped showing up to NEPA locals because of schooling, work, and other activities I needed to prioritize.
Donkey Kong ascending from forgotten low tier to wild card high tier has to be one of the single greatest character arcs in fiction.
"Rap snitches telling all they business up in the court being they own star witness" that DOOM track will always be timeless
The faces of every player Junebug beats, they are just amazed by the fact taht they cant do anything to stop him.
Overlaying a "They Not Like Us" remix over the junebug interview at the end is crazy 😭
game and watch here we come
1:02 MR. STEAL YO GIRL
Hey brotha thanks for all the work you put into your videos. I watch Melee but wouldn’t embarrass myself by attempting to play. Your hard work into these videos doesn’t go unnoticed
top players losing to dk was not something i had on my bingo card this year. or any year for that matter
June bug was doing a bit of trolling and he became the goat
Sooooo weird seeing you at a ton of super large events commentating and popping up on my RUclips suggestions. It's been a hot minute since being in SC. Keep up the good work Walt! :3
My prediction is a Link Renaissance is also coming. Playing that character... it's clear it has more potential and setups and traps, but G&W might be coming first actually.
It's crazy bc Link is already higher than DK. I think Link is as good if not better than Sheik, but no one knows how to play him to the fullest yet
*Most of the cast has a frame 7 standing grab btw
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Junebug deserves this nickel, Walter. He's the reason why I'm engaging.
The Kidnap tech has me cackling bro 🤣🤣🤣
As a DK player in Ultimate, it feels amazing watching this.
As a DK main in Ultimate. Im so hyped to know there is now a smash game where DK can win a tournament.
Im still waiting for the dr. Mario renaissance
THE DK RENAISSANCE IS REAL
11:17 hey that's brawlhalla ! I was so happy to hear you commenting that tournament, i hope you'll do it regularly 😁
I’m casting Summer Doubles this weekend!
@@turndownforwalt let's gooo ! I'm so ready for it
your videos are the standard for any deep dive in melee content. thank you for doing what you do!