7:06 I swear the original is more visually impressive. Where did the grass movement go? The density of the fog added atmosphere but it’s been toned down in the Remastered. Also, the bright green of the grass in the remaster is a bit much. Completely kills the dryer atmosphere of the original. The Pop in is also more noticeable because of the added grass density.
Me too. We say “before after” instead of “after before” for a reason because we are subconsciously looking for the older/version to be on the left but for some reason John always gets this wrong.
Bought the ps4 game used for 8 euros and I'm upgrading it to play it for basically the first time. I played like 5 hours on steam but performance wasn't really that good on my pc so most time I was tinkering with the game until eventually I dropped it.
@@rms7951they did not, they increased the frame rate on console and added some mods with Ray tracing. If you watch the video you would see this is completely different from the Witcher 3. Also different companies have different goal with their work. You can’t expect every company to determine their work should be free. Especially when it is as transformative as this. Appreciate it when it’s free but they shouldn’t be obligated to do so.
Seeing this video just reinforces how well the original holds up. There are many scenes that are very improved in the remaster, but overall the original looks like a game that could have come out in 2024.
"the original looks like a game that could have come out in 2024" - Sure, if you ignore the cutscene 'animations' that occur after the fight in the Sun-Ring.
It also highlights how much graphics have stalled in the last 7 years. Games don't look a whole lot better, the biggest difference is RT, which 99% of gamers never turn on because it costs too much in terms of performance, or they're playing on consoles which can't really produce high quality RT. Compare a game that came out in 1999-2001, to games that came out in 2007-2009, The difference was night and day. Like, GTA3 VS Crysis. You could tell the graphics has improved with your eyes closed. Whereas today games that came out in 2015+ still hold up somewhat.
There is something about the Nixxes ports (and work in general), that makes them so clean, they just works! Truly a great studio and a good asset for Sony, which is to be appreciated in today’s standards
@@vilenskydmitry Yeah, for sure, Sony made a huge impact. I didn’t try Deus Ex: MD, but I guess it wasn’t their greatest work back then. It probably depends on the publisher and their quality standards (and, of course, Sony’s wallet compared to others). But to be fair, the talent is definitely there!
Nixxes PC ports of Tomb Raider games were top notch quality as well. They added plenty of visual improvements into those games. And they all run great even on budget PCs.
Todd Howard argues that the use of an over 20 year old engine for their games makes it easier to produce content, while bringing out a new game every 5-7 years, while Nixxes works with new engines, doing absolutely stunning work, for every game they add their magic to.
Horizon Zero Dawn is my first platinum. Im probably the only one on earth whos incredibly excited for this remaster. My only real hope and expectation is that upon new game plus, they give us the option to replay the intro again if we want to. Im greatly looking forward to this remaster personally
@SwordANDbored84 yea I agree that was a bad idea, but if the team that was working on the game isn't familiar with it, It makes sense why they switched to unreal engine
@@Zeegoku1007 i think UE in general sucks ass. I mean look at FF7 Rebirth, a game made in UE4 with ps5 in mind. Blurry textures (even in graphics mode), horrible shadows, dead foliage, weird lighting, crazy amount of pop-in and the performance mode is blurry af. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loved the game, but both Horizon Forbidden West and Zero Dawn remaster look way more "next-gen" than FF7 Rebirth
The only issue i have is that the foliage looks way too neon green in the remaster. It looked much more natural in the original, taking on a different color depending on lighting.
Great video John! Personally, I wish you had mentioned that the image quality in performance mode was strong enough that you’d recommend that mode over the others. But other than that, excellent presentation.
@@GreenScreenBartender While I agree with you, this is intentional according to Guerilla. They have said they want the world to look like a BBC nature documentary (think Planet Earth).
@@jmi_music like I really like green, and some later shots in the video look fantastic in the remake, but make it a more natural neon green for plants, a little deeper green. Can still be bright green but that shot looked odd, and the tree only having the outlining leaves be extremely green vs almost pitch black the rest of it looked a little off (maybe hdr capture making things a bit funny there on a non hdr monitor)
The lighting in the original was very special, they explained that in an interview: they wanted to create a look that always feels like sunset/sundown, which was inspired by nature documentaries as far as i remember. This created a stunning look with warm and very strong colors. They removed that in the remake. Plus they could have used that possibility to change at last the major complaint of many players: not enough weapon slots. A second weapon wheel would be such a great addition to the game, because at some point you just start to not use many weapons because it's not fun to change the weapon wheel everytime before a fight.
Same here. I wanted to replay the game after 4 years, and the remastered version came out at the right time. Horizon series are my favorite modern games along with TLOU series and Skyrim.
Very strong first remaster effort from Nixxes here. Wonder if they'll be tapped on to remaster more games in the future (especially as they are running out of PS4/PS5 gen games to port to PC with Spiderman 2 in January next year lol)
@@bruxio76 all of those are earlier on in the gen and would need a remaster effort to at least a minor degree. Probable one you could get away with without a notable touchup is Shadow of the Colossus? And in the case of Shadow and Bloodborne, Bluepoint could handle either or both as TBH Bloodborne needs a full remake for its tech issues lol
@bruxio76 they really need to do something with bloodborne and it would be sick to see shadow of the colossus and the last guardian Sotc has disappointing low res on ps5 and TLG would be cool to see on PC just so more people can play it (it's a masterpiece no matter any tiktok brained people say about it being "frustrating" lol)
There’s a lot of little choices that I’m not sure on. Particularly in the desert areas… lots of the “lush green” has been emphasized, and the yellow/ochre was toned down. But… isn’t it supposed to look yellow? Isn’t that filter what gives an area its visual identity?
Yeah, I can see the added foliage, but some of that looks like a filter was switched off more than anything. In some parts, I would expect more muted colors. Foliage will look less colorful to our eyes when light is blocked by trees.
I know I'm far from the only one to point this out, but, although the remaster looks fantastic - and, arguably, near 'perfect' most of the time, if we didn't have the original to compare it to - It seems that some of the variety in look, ambience, feel, atmosphere has somewhat been lost... As if everything looks a little 'too good' all the time. Too clean with perfect greens everywhere. Not all biomes are super well-hydrated, so it seems pretty out of place in some places. Something that the original really didn't seem to suffer from. It's a little too boosted. Otherwise absolutely beautiful, of course! :)
Same with the lighting. Whether it's the scene or specifically on a characters model, some manage to be nice improvements, and others are suddenly missing shadows/details from natural lighting, leading to an almost plastic look
LITERALLY. PS2 Slim Silver. Got my PS5 last year too. Gamestop told me the majority of games for it are still PS4. I said "great!" I never even had a Playstation 3 or 4. I'll pay 10 bucks for Remaster. I got both Horizons, and never played either because I'm still trying to beat all the other stuff I never got to play. 😅
This is one of those remakes that is made with love, for the love of the game by the developers, wanting to bring up the experience of the game to the level of Forbidden West, you can tell that they truly love their game and want us to see it in it's best light. and just £10 for all the work they have put into this remaster is not much to ask at all. It's just a pity that Sony got greedy and hiked up the price (that had been reduced for well over a year) right after the remaster announcement, to cash in on this.
@@hayabusa09 What are you talking about? We are discussing changes to the gameplay or lack thereof, aka the Shieldwing not being added. How is your mind NOT on that when discussing the Shieldwing?
I'm not sure the pop-in like at 6:50 is worth the extra weed either. It seem a mixed bag overall. Some is better some is worse. The only thing I'd prefer throughout is probably the water. "nice water!" 😹
@epmcgee Just keep a look at the grass on the timestamp. I mean.. What's the point of increased draw when there is more pop-in right under your nose instead.
Just one quick suggestion for what it's worth, put the old or "worse" looking version on the left side and the newer or "best looking" one on the right side imo, it somehow feels more "natural" comparing and analysing them like this
@@vgnvideogameninja2930well, this remaster is also on pc as well. They straight up removed the original from steam and replaced it with this version so nah the ps5 pro version wont be better compared to a good pc. I almost forgot it was coming to pc, i forgot sony puts all their games there now lol but i think ill be fine with the base ps5 version and unlocked fps. The resolution/framerate is high enough
This sold me, I think I'm going to replay it. I literally finished the original on PC 100% a few days before the announcement but the amount of changes and work put into it has swayed me. I really like this series so while I still think the time should've been into a different remaster, it looks like they did an amazing job!
@travisspazz1624 Yeah, FW probably has more diversity overall, but I wish they had added a large city like Meridian. Plainsong and all those settlement-type of towns just felt like such a big downgrade imo
This remaster was all about future proofing the franchise and giving new players when the third game comes out a consistent experience and I'm all for it. I'm glad they took the time to get on this now vs rushing it closer to release of the third game to have a half-assed trilogy bundle.
FW was an instant buy for me because of my good feelings towards "Zero Dawn". Didn't particularly like FW so the third one is now on my "maybe on sale" list.
@@quademasters249 There were some story beats that I didn't entirely vibed with, but game mechanics-wise i still thought it was a nice improvement over ZD. I totally get why the third one would be a "maybe on sale" for you, though :)
@@TamTu 1 - I didn't like how they turned Aloy into a whiner. Her interactions with Silens were cringe worthy. 2- The "invincible shield" mcguffin simply shows the writers couldn't figure out how to make the Zenith a credible threat. Requiring Silens to come up with his own mcguffin to defeat the shield was more lame writing. 3 - Aloy diving head first into doing chores for a native dictator, to try to put down another dictator (Regalla) who didn't agree with the first one was lame. 4 - The combat was nerfed compared to ZD. They went so hard into trying to make it a collectible game for upgrades, it made normal combat worse. They way the bots would leap on top of you from across the screen was lame too. The environments were great for the most part. I enjoyed the exploration part of the game. The writing and plot had none of the power of ZD. It was like fan-fic.
I was one of those guys who were skeptical about HZD Remaster since the original game is already a masterpiece on its own. But after seeing this, I was blown away by everything Guerilla offered.
noted, the red pollen is missing on the new foliage which brings the question, does the atmosphere feel affected by this change? all the plants seem pristine instead of coated/decaying/infected like the original which seems like it should be a bigger deal artistically
The decay and pollen isn’t in Zero Dawn because it takes place earlier in the year and the biosphere hasn’t started breaking down yet, it’s not an issue with the remaster it’s a fact of the world.
Just played the Zero Dawn first time a year ago and I really liked it. So nice to play at night when you just run around in the wild with the peaceful, serene ambient music. 10USD seems fair to me when I replay this great game.
Clearly seen at 4:39, the Proctor's beard is not moving in the wind, and his mouth is glowing like it's made out of frosted glass. This issue of the mouth doesn't seem to be confined to just him, but to many incidental characters as well. Also, at 10:42 you can see Bahavas having a lot of issues with his sleeve clipping. At 13:55, you can see Aloy's eyelashes disappear when she turns her head. 18:17: That is draw-dropping.
Do those plants at 6:49 not look a bit flat in the remaster compared to the original? Like the subsurface scatterning and shadows present in the original are missing completely
Yes, that is totally true, and that is due to global illumination and indirect light, but if you doesn't have raytracing Ambient occlusion, it kills all the shadows. so it looks plane dull and oversaturated, there are not contact shadows neither on models
I saw this in my feed and I had to watch it on my 4K TV and wow this game is absolutely gorgeous! You can see the differences and it’s impressive because this is the PS5 version and not the Pro. Having a good 4K TV with HDR really makes this game shine! So much more work went into this remaster that I expected! Can’t wait to play this on the Pro.
I feel like while Zero Dawn was a smaller game, I felt it was a better game in my opinion. Everything is a bit less busy. Overall I enjoyed Zero Dawn more.
9:16 The detail in the background looks so much more natural and improved in this shot. Neat to see the stormbird flying around in both versions waay far in the back. I’m really excited to play this game again.
6:49 the new plants look so much worse I'm surprised John didn't mention how they are basically glowing this obnoxious green color. Otherwise nice comparison of course, but the foliage color is crazy, looks like a bug.
I think it’s the sun going through the leaves. Shortly after that time they’re walking through an area with those plants and they seem to be normal when looking at them from above or when behind a wall. Also the trees show this with bright green only on the edges.
I was originally hating on this remaster after seeing a few clips with, in my opinion, worse lighting during certain cutscenes, as well as much stiffer plants that don't seem to sway in the wind. After watching the full video, I'm honestly fine with those minor issues because, overall, everything else looks 1000% better. I'm looking forward to playing this version of Zero Dawn, as well as Forbidden West, on PS5 Pro.
@@Chasm9 But atleast the PS3 had Exclusive titles, lol the PS5 doesn't even have 20 Exclusives as for now. Most games are still releasing on PS4 (HFW or GoD:R) or are out on PC (Like Ratchet and Clank)
God, its so pretty. And I think it's going to be a lot easier to connect with the characters when they aren't so...stilted. looking forward to running into everyone's favorite forgemommy Petra.
Wow. I'm really impressed with this remaster. I had a feeling that it would be good, but not this big of an overhaul of every aspect of the game. Very well done! I will not have the time to pour into this game again, I will most probably replay it in part, just to experience the hard work and relive a very good game. Again, lighting does SO much for a game, not just this type. Both thumbs up.
Right there with you! I beat it once on PS4 Pro, then once on PS5 with the 60fps update. Will probably do it again on PS5 Pro for $10. Meanwhile I just wasn’t captivated by Part 2 as much. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It costs 500 INR which is 5.94 USD in my country if you already own the base game, for approximate 6$,it's completely worth upgrading to the remaster 👌🏻❤️👍🏻
The remaster looks insanely better, and for 10 euro, hell yeah I’ll upgrade. If anything these improvements are more drastic than what TloU part 2 and Tsushima got, but they didn’t need as much improving to be fair.
I have only 1 gripe so far but it's a big one: the hero lighting makes the character pop out of the enviroment so much that it kills the ambiance. It constantly reminds you it's just a video game.
They do that a lot in animation, Pixar and dreamworks movies.. it's certainly a choice. I like it, but sometimes I feel like it does work best with cartoony characters
A reminder that you are watching this in SDR. The game will support HDR 10 on PS5 in both RGB and Yuv422. And probably RGB HDR in 60 fps 4K on PS5 PRO.
I’ve always found HZD an excellent game and very good looking. But after playing through HFW and going back, I was surprised how flat HZD suddenly looked. A remaster isn’t a terrible idea. Now we can play the superior game with superior visuals.
@@Garudaintruda Is this really the consensus? I can see people liking the story better in Zero Dawn because it's just a more contained and personal story, but why do people prefer the gameplay in ZD? I just played through ZD for the first time last month and I'm about halfway through Forbidden West now and I felt like the gameplay is way better in FW. I felt like things were too simplistic in ZD and not very satisfying.
@@mmo5366 HZD also had a bit too much aliasing noise (especially on the ground) and the output was too darkish (but this could be a general problem with ps4 back compatibility on ps5) last time I played it
Still not convinced this game of all games needed a remaster. It was fine just the way it was. Nobody was complaining about the visuals in Horizon aging poorly.
They like doing remasters/remakes. It's probably a good investment due to lesser effort and time but good sales. I still think Last of Us didn't need a remake. It's like they want to update every game everytime we move forward in terms of graphics 😄
@@AninoNiKugi yeah they are updating every game, at the cost of new IPs and releases. This generation has had the lowest number of new ip releases and current gen only titles even past the mid point of a generation.
The only thing **most** people were complaining about were the character interactions. Otherwise, sure it was fine, but I don't mind the visual upgrade at all.
Remasters and remake need to be looked at on an individual, case by case basis, IMO. They aren't connected to the age of the game either, but usually whether or not there's been a significant bump in hardware capability. Even when the original game looks good, I still like seeing them get refreshed to use the latest and greatest. TLOU didn't need its remake, but it definitely needed that initial PS4 remaster. The og PS3 version looked and ran like crap in comparison.
I was already sold on this just for an excuse to replay and earn the plat again. I knew it felt improved, but seeing the direct comparison here shows just how vast those improvements were. Leaves me appreciating it even more. Definitely zero regrets. Going on a Horizon kick playing this through then Forbidden West again.
IMO if you look at both at 7:00 - OG looks way better because of the shadows and foliage, plus the color palate is more pleasing, not as saturated as in the remaster.
it's hard to say that until you actually see it.... HDR and such isn't something that's going to translate properly over RUclips. wait until you get it on your display to judge.
@@JayzVeez Bro it looks fine and has always been considered a beautiful game. I promise you over the last 7 years no one said “dude this game looks orange, it needs a remaster.” It’s only standing out because of the side by side.
Man that looks so pretty, What a great Remaster. Look at the facial detail without the lighting covering it and the colours are really Lush, Feels so different. Great Job
No. Obviously. They could have remastered a dozen other more deserving titles. Or you know... make a new game Sony that isn't Concord. Edit: 6:507:06 also the remaster seems to have more vegetation pop in which is hugely distracting. Not good.
Thank you for this! I was going to buy the $10 upgrade, but this video reminded me of how good the original still looks. I’m more than happy to just play that again.
I don't care what you say, DF. This 'remaster' is unneeded. Where is my Gdamn inFamous collection, Killzone Trilogy, and Uncharted Trilogy remakes, for Pete's Sake...😑
Sorry to say you'll be dissapointed by those remaster and remakes since their political agenda team will ruin those pure respected franchises with dei crap just to get esg points
You can ghank blackrock for that since the ceo of ghe company wanted forced behavourual change with woman looking like men with manjaws. You will regret them for even remaking and remastering them.
A $10 upgrade is a fine cost, but the price change of the original is terrible. Seems easy enough for Sony to differentiate between copies bought previously to copies bought recently and only allow cheap upgrades to previously purchased copies.
I remember years back Sony gave out free digital download for horizon zero dawn complete edition. That’s how I got mine. I wonder if I’ll be able to upgrade for 10 bucks?
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How I hate it when the original is on the right side
7:06 I swear the original is more visually impressive. Where did the grass movement go? The density of the fog added atmosphere but it’s been toned down in the Remastered.
Also, the bright green of the grass in the remaster is a bit much. Completely kills the dryer atmosphere of the original.
The Pop in is also more noticeable because of the added grass density.
@@SilverGeFerAre you sure you have eyes? I don't think this needed a remaster at all but it definitely looks far superior.
Me too. We say “before after” instead of “after before” for a reason because we are subconsciously looking for the older/version to be on the left but for some reason John always gets this wrong.
DF is in the UK. Don't the toilets flush in the opposite direction there too?
@@SilverGeFerDid you even watch the scene? 🤣🤣🤦🏻🤦🏻
For $10, I'm in.
Me too
Bought the ps4 game used for 8 euros and I'm upgrading it to play it for basically the first time. I played like 5 hours on steam but performance wasn't really that good on my pc so most time I was tinkering with the game until eventually I dropped it.
But Witcher 3 did that same thing completely free. 🤔👀
I don’t think The Witcher did a full remaster like this. They upgraded some things, but not to this extent.
@@rms7951they did not, they increased the frame rate on console and added some mods with Ray tracing. If you watch the video you would see this is completely different from the Witcher 3.
Also different companies have different goal with their work. You can’t expect every company to determine their work should be free. Especially when it is as transformative as this. Appreciate it when it’s free but they shouldn’t be obligated to do so.
Seeing this video just reinforces how well the original holds up. There are many scenes that are very improved in the remaster, but overall the original looks like a game that could have come out in 2024.
Everything except for the poor lightning and reflections
"the original looks like a game that could have come out in 2024" - Sure, if you ignore the cutscene 'animations' that occur after the fight in the Sun-Ring.
I can't believe we're making comments about a game that "holds up" when it came out in 2017
It also highlights how much graphics have stalled in the last 7 years. Games don't look a whole lot better, the biggest difference is RT, which 99% of gamers never turn on because it costs too much in terms of performance, or they're playing on consoles which can't really produce high quality RT.
Compare a game that came out in 1999-2001, to games that came out in 2007-2009,
The difference was night and day. Like, GTA3 VS Crysis. You could tell the graphics has improved with your eyes closed.
Whereas today games that came out in 2015+ still hold up somewhat.
@@100500danielYour eyes don’t work apparently.
Fun fact: image quality in performance mode is strong enough that he recommends this mode above others
Twice !!
It’s worth saying that again.
I wish he had said this in the video....
whoops, I had to double take so I heard it four times :P
I played Forbidden West in performance mode and was still shocked it was a cross gen game
There is something about the Nixxes ports (and work in general), that makes them so clean, they just works! Truly a great studio and a good asset for Sony, which is to be appreciated in today’s standards
Yeah, especially Deus Ex: Mankind Divided and other their SE projects(no).
But truth be told Sony did make a difference in quality of Nixxies
@@vilenskydmitry Yeah, for sure, Sony made a huge impact. I didn’t try Deus Ex: MD, but I guess it wasn’t their greatest work back then. It probably depends on the publisher and their quality standards (and, of course, Sony’s wallet compared to others). But to be fair, the talent is definitely there!
@@vilenskydmitrytbf deus ex was basically made for pc anyways
Nixxes PC ports of Tomb Raider games were top notch quality as well.
They added plenty of visual improvements into those games. And they all run great even on budget PCs.
@@stangamer1151 Yes, and the fact that those games were used as benchmarks for GPU reviews for a long time tells a lot, espacially Shadow.
Todd Howard argues that the use of an over 20 year old engine for their games makes it easier to produce content, while bringing out a new game every 5-7 years,
while Nixxes works with new engines, doing absolutely stunning work, for every game they add their magic to.
Cant wait. Thankfully, it's a 10$ upgrade and not fully priced like Until Dawn.
Yeah Until Dawn is a rip off
But one is a remake while the other is a remaster.
Yeah Sony is all over the place right now
eh, I remember when people were pushing against paid updates of the same game to newer generation and now we are thanking publisher for that -_-
@@KarlDelaney99 Until Dawn remake is basically made for PC players. The original is free on PS Plus and 60 fps on PS5.
Rare editing mistake from John at 3:21, looks like a line in the recording accidentally got used twice.
Or performance mode is really REALLY strong enough xD
funny, Skill Up just did the same thing
@@bardockshiny 2x the performance mode
Thought I was having a stroke!
Simulation proof.
Horizon Zero Dawn is my first platinum. Im probably the only one on earth whos incredibly excited for this remaster. My only real hope and expectation is that upon new game plus, they give us the option to replay the intro again if we want to.
Im greatly looking forward to this remaster personally
Same!
You know you really love a game when you find that you've played it so much you accidentally platinumed it haha
Dude I'm looking forward to playing it again, looks great
Plenty of rage farming with this game from haters who will always find a reason to criticise anything about the game.
Enjoy it 👍
Your not alone, I'm counting the days until it's release!!
Decima engine is a beast. Glad we see it in more than Horizon. Can’t wait to see the full game and Death Stranding 2 in full PS5 Pro glory.
And then you see it replaced in Until Dawn by UE5 everyone supposedly knows how to use…
I hate ue5 because of the bad performance@@SwordANDbored84
@SwordANDbored84 yea I agree that was a bad idea, but if the team that was working on the game isn't familiar with it, It makes sense why they switched to unreal engine
@@SwordANDbored84 I absolutely hate UE5 !!
@@Zeegoku1007 i think UE in general sucks ass. I mean look at FF7 Rebirth, a game made in UE4 with ps5 in mind. Blurry textures (even in graphics mode), horrible shadows, dead foliage, weird lighting, crazy amount of pop-in and the performance mode is blurry af. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loved the game, but both Horizon Forbidden West and Zero Dawn remaster look way more "next-gen" than FF7 Rebirth
The only issue i have is that the foliage looks way too neon green in the remaster. It looked much more natural in the original, taking on a different color depending on lighting.
Hard disagree. Original was way too orange. Like everything was bathed in the afterglow of a nuke
The original was indeed too orange, but the neon green bothers me. Feels really out of place.
@@Etheral101 it fits the desert setting
A lot of games do this nowadays. All the greens are way oversaturated
Yeah, way too neon
Great video John! Personally, I wish you had mentioned that the image quality in performance mode was strong enough that you’d recommend that mode over the others. But other than that, excellent presentation.
Is it just me or do some of the plants look almost neon green?
Yeah I actually think they way overdid the color contrast in this and Forbidden West. I like the more natural colors in the original often.
Yeah, was too much
Yep the plants look neon green as you said, and somehow the lighting looks better in the original. Amazing remaster.
@@GreenScreenBartender I said the same. The original plant looks more apocalyptic
@@GreenScreenBartender While I agree with you, this is intentional according to Guerilla. They have said they want the world to look like a BBC nature documentary (think Planet Earth).
Usually love saturated greenery but at 7:00 it feels a little too, odd, in the remaster. Still keen to see the enhancements on PC
Exactly. It’s like they think more green equals better, and yet it changes the atmosphere negatively imo
@@jmi_music like I really like green, and some later shots in the video look fantastic in the remake, but make it a more natural neon green for plants, a little deeper green. Can still be bright green but that shot looked odd, and the tree only having the outlining leaves be extremely green vs almost pitch black the rest of it looked a little off (maybe hdr capture making things a bit funny there on a non hdr monitor)
Need to see it in HDR
Personally I think it looks great. I haven't ever encountered sepia tone to brown grass fields in real life like the original.
Those trees look way worse. Almost being green lol. The hues of the original seems a lot more tasteful across the board
The lighting in the original was very special, they explained that in an interview: they wanted to create a look that always feels like sunset/sundown, which was inspired by nature documentaries as far as i remember. This created a stunning look with warm and very strong colors. They removed that in the remake. Plus they could have used that possibility to change at last the major complaint of many players: not enough weapon slots. A second weapon wheel would be such a great addition to the game, because at some point you just start to not use many weapons because it's not fun to change the weapon wheel everytime before a fight.
Warm colors? Did u see the video all the way through? Look at the canyon and dessert scenes, it's still there
That was just PR
There were too many weapons in the sequel. I hated the sequel. Sometimes less is more.
@@stephenmurray2851 I was addicted to ZD and I haven't touched FW since Elden Ring came out
@@lecho0175 Similar to me. It just didn't hit the same as zd. Not sure why. The story in zd was unreal man
Zero Dawn is truly one of my favorite PS4/5 games. I have no problem paying 10 Euros more. I've been wanting to do a replay soon anyway.
Agreed!
Yeah. This game was already epic. Nog it's just perfect to do the new game plus. Just amazing game !!
Same here. I wanted to replay the game after 4 years, and the remastered version came out at the right time.
Horizon series are my favorite modern games along with TLOU series and Skyrim.
It's pretty crazy that this game first came out with the PS4 Pro and now the remaster with the PS5 Pro.
Just imagine how Horizon zero dawn will look on Ps6 Pro!
@@schneckenwilly Lol
@@schneckenwilly There will be a Forbidden West Remaster for it.
always digging the audio getting its time to shine, it adds SO much to the experience, almost wish there was a digital foundry for just audio.
Very strong first remaster effort from Nixxes here. Wonder if they'll be tapped on to remaster more games in the future (especially as they are running out of PS4/PS5 gen games to port to PC with Spiderman 2 in January next year lol)
Running out? What about Bloodborne, Shadow of the colossus, the last guardian, gravity rush 1/2 etc.?
@@bruxio76 all of those are earlier on in the gen and would need a remaster effort to at least a minor degree.
Probable one you could get away with without a notable touchup is Shadow of the Colossus?
And in the case of Shadow and Bloodborne, Bluepoint could handle either or both as TBH Bloodborne needs a full remake for its tech issues lol
@bruxio76 they really need to do something with bloodborne and it would be sick to see shadow of the colossus and the last guardian
Sotc has disappointing low res on ps5 and TLG would be cool to see on PC just so more people can play it (it's a masterpiece no matter any tiktok brained people say about it being "frustrating" lol)
Wish they'd remaster Assassin's Creed Black Flag or Deus Ex Mankind Divided
Obligatory Bloodborne 60fps upgrade comment.
There’s a lot of little choices that I’m not sure on. Particularly in the desert areas… lots of the “lush green” has been emphasized, and the yellow/ochre was toned down. But… isn’t it supposed to look yellow? Isn’t that filter what gives an area its visual identity?
Yeah, I can see the added foliage, but some of that looks like a filter was switched off more than anything. In some parts, I would expect more muted colors. Foliage will look less colorful to our eyes when light is blocked by trees.
I know I'm far from the only one to point this out, but, although the remaster looks fantastic - and, arguably, near 'perfect' most of the time, if we didn't have the original to compare it to - It seems that some of the variety in look, ambience, feel, atmosphere has somewhat been lost... As if everything looks a little 'too good' all the time. Too clean with perfect greens everywhere. Not all biomes are super well-hydrated, so it seems pretty out of place in some places. Something that the original really didn't seem to suffer from. It's a little too boosted. Otherwise absolutely beautiful, of course! :)
Same with the lighting. Whether it's the scene or specifically on a characters model, some manage to be nice improvements, and others are suddenly missing shadows/details from natural lighting, leading to an almost plastic look
10:46 “Bespoke” located.
Official DF seal of quality!!
Hell yeah.
As someone who just got a PS5 last year, my last console was PS2. I just started playing horizon and this remaster will do wonders for me.
LITERALLY. PS2 Slim Silver. Got my PS5 last year too. Gamestop told me the majority of games for it are still PS4. I said "great!" I never even had a Playstation 3 or 4. I'll pay 10 bucks for Remaster. I got both Horizons, and never played either because I'm still trying to beat all the other stuff I never got to play. 😅
Horizon series is much more than graphics : gameplay, combat system, lore, story, characters are second to none.
This is one of those remakes that is made with love, for the love of the game by the developers, wanting to bring up the experience of the game to the level of Forbidden West, you can tell that they truly love their game and want us to see it in it's best light. and just £10 for all the work they have put into this remaster is not much to ask at all. It's just a pity that Sony got greedy and hiked up the price (that had been reduced for well over a year) right after the remaster announcement, to cash in on this.
First time I jump off a cliff and mash 🔲 only to fall to my death.
well it is hold square not mash but yeah
@@MegaLPlover settings by boi
AND no Stash from the looks of it... That is really unfortunate.
Of all the things I hoped they'd add, the Stash was the one.
@@skins4thewin I think you replied to the wrong thread
@@hayabusa09 What are you talking about? We are discussing changes to the gameplay or lack thereof, aka the Shieldwing not being added. How is your mind NOT on that when discussing the Shieldwing?
I'm not fan of fluo green vegetations like at 5:00, I définitely prefer the original DA version.
Yeah, I feel like they mostly just turned plants bright green and called (that part) a day
I'm not sure the pop-in like at 6:50 is worth the extra weed either.
It seem a mixed bag overall. Some is better some is worse. The only thing I'd prefer throughout is probably the water.
"nice water!" 😹
@epmcgee Just keep a look at the grass on the timestamp.
I mean.. What's the point of increased draw when there is more pop-in right under your nose instead.
They turned the green ferns and trees into neon lights. 😂
Just one quick suggestion for what it's worth, put the old or "worse" looking version on the left side and the newer or "best looking" one on the right side imo, it somehow feels more "natural" comparing and analysing them like this
Agreed
I think it's a nice option for upgrade. PS5 was stuck with ps4 version while pc had nice upgrades over ps4 version. For 10 dollars is fair.
And now with it running on PS5 Pro, that version > PC version.
@@vgnvideogameninja2930well, this remaster is also on pc as well. They straight up removed the original from steam and replaced it with this version so nah the ps5 pro version wont be better compared to a good pc. I almost forgot it was coming to pc, i forgot sony puts all their games there now lol but i think ill be fine with the base ps5 version and unlocked fps. The resolution/framerate is high enough
@@vgnvideogameninja2930A £700 console vs a PC which can be upgraded beyond a PS5 Pro, as a PlayStation fan the Pro is a rip off.
@vgnvideogameninja2930 this is also on PC... lol get dupped fanboy
@@vgnvideogameninja2930 PC has the same remaster. so how exactly should it be better on the pro? 🤣
the original foliage looks WAY better here 5:01
same here 6:48
Yeah, looks like the remaster has no lighting
No it doesn’t 😂
not at all
Lol no way. Capping haaaaaaard!!! It looks dull and lifeless in the original. Nostalgia is hell of a drug.
This sold me, I think I'm going to replay it. I literally finished the original on PC 100% a few days before the announcement but the amount of changes and work put into it has swayed me. I really like this series so while I still think the time should've been into a different remaster, it looks like they did an amazing job!
I always thought Zero Dawn had the more impressive game world of the two simply because it had Meridian in it
I think I might prefer Forbidden West more, but I did indeed miss Meridian.
@travisspazz1624 Yeah, FW probably has more diversity overall, but I wish they had added a large city like Meridian. Plainsong and all those settlement-type of towns just felt like such a big downgrade imo
@@PAXperMortem San Francisco ruins itself feels like a big city for me,except there's not much people really
@dannyhe8281 I wish there was a lively city that actually utilized the 'ancient' skyscraper ruins, sorta like the Utaru used those satellite dishes.
So the plants are super green, water is _vastly_ better, fog is pared back, and textures are better
The spear still vanishes into nothingness though... I feel like they should have made it stay. Coulnd't be so hard, right?
I hope you get more Tech Preview opportunities because this video was really well edited and paced
For $10 this is amazing work, they have done here
When 2 companies with Tech Wizards come together, the result is stunning to behold.
I enjoyed the audio demonstration, and would be grateful for more audio coverage in DF tech reviews.
I am curious what Nixxes did to improve the PC port further now that they get to fully redo alot more of the game.
Take a look at the PC trailer for the remaster. Immediately you can see that background characters run at full FPS instead of half or quarter.
This remaster will be excuse for many players to revisit this amazing game...I mean, $10 for this upgrade is worthwhile imo...
I'm someone who loves replaying single player games so this upgrade is definitely worth it for me! Great work by this team.
This remaster was all about future proofing the franchise and giving new players when the third game comes out a consistent experience and I'm all for it. I'm glad they took the time to get on this now vs rushing it closer to release of the third game to have a half-assed trilogy bundle.
FW was an instant buy for me because of my good feelings towards "Zero Dawn". Didn't particularly like FW so the third one is now on my "maybe on sale" list.
@@quademasters249 There were some story beats that I didn't entirely vibed with, but game mechanics-wise i still thought it was a nice improvement over ZD. I totally get why the third one would be a "maybe on sale" for you, though :)
@@TamTu
1 - I didn't like how they turned Aloy into a whiner. Her interactions with Silens were cringe worthy.
2- The "invincible shield" mcguffin simply shows the writers couldn't figure out how to make the Zenith a credible threat. Requiring Silens to come up with his own mcguffin to defeat the shield was more lame writing.
3 - Aloy diving head first into doing chores for a native dictator, to try to put down another dictator (Regalla) who didn't agree with the first one was lame.
4 - The combat was nerfed compared to ZD. They went so hard into trying to make it a collectible game for upgrades, it made normal combat worse. They way the bots would leap on top of you from across the screen was lame too.
The environments were great for the most part. I enjoyed the exploration part of the game. The writing and plot had none of the power of ZD. It was like fan-fic.
Game is down right beautiful.
Game should come out today😢
Down left
I was one of those guys who were skeptical about HZD Remaster since the original game is already a masterpiece on its own. But after seeing this, I was blown away by everything Guerilla offered.
This is looking good, excited to see this on the PS5 Pro
you know its going to be a good tech review when you hear john's voice.
This is by far the best remasters on a video game I've ever seen.... without exaggerating in any way!
noted, the red pollen is missing on the new foliage which brings the question, does the atmosphere feel affected by this change? all the plants seem pristine instead of coated/decaying/infected like the original which seems like it should be a bigger deal artistically
The foliage looks more overly bright and artificial in the remaster
If I remember correctly, the decay started after the events of Zero Dawn.
The red pollen never existed in zero dawn, it came with forbidden west
The decay and pollen isn’t in Zero Dawn because it takes place earlier in the year and the biosphere hasn’t started breaking down yet, it’s not an issue with the remaster it’s a fact of the world.
It's not "missing" the red pollen didn't exist in the original game.
Wow, this vid was epic! Keep going!
Just played the Zero Dawn first time a year ago and I really liked it. So nice to play at night when you just run around in the wild with the peaceful, serene ambient music. 10USD seems fair to me when I replay this great game.
Clearly seen at 4:39, the Proctor's beard is not moving in the wind, and his mouth is glowing like it's made out of frosted glass. This issue of the mouth doesn't seem to be confined to just him, but to many incidental characters as well.
Also, at 10:42 you can see Bahavas having a lot of issues with his sleeve clipping.
At 13:55, you can see Aloy's eyelashes disappear when she turns her head.
18:17: That is draw-dropping.
I noticed this immediately! I instantly couldn't get on board no matter how lush the plants are
Poor Rost looks like wax figure in this remaster
Do those plants at 6:49 not look a bit flat in the remaster compared to the original? Like the subsurface scatterning and shadows present in the original are missing completely
Yes, that is totally true, and that is due to global illumination and indirect light, but if you doesn't have raytracing Ambient occlusion, it kills all the shadows. so it looks plane dull and oversaturated, there are not contact shadows neither on models
They look over saturated and almost neon. Also I thought the actual plant assets themselves looked worse In the remaster, especially the ferns
3:35 you just repeated the same line twice about preferring performance mode lol
at 3:30 I think you left the narration twice hehehe
Video was too short. Wanted it to go furthermore.
I saw this in my feed and I had to watch it on my 4K TV and wow this game is absolutely gorgeous! You can see the differences and it’s impressive because this is the PS5 version and not the Pro. Having a good 4K TV with HDR really makes this game shine! So much more work went into this remaster that I expected! Can’t wait to play this on the Pro.
That's the point. This video must be watched on a TV screen in order to appreciate the graphical improvement.
I'm curious how this is going to look on my steam deck. 😮
I’m in! I got the platinum for Forbidden west but gave up on the original. Now I have a reason to go back🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
I feel like while Zero Dawn was a smaller game, I felt it was a better game in my opinion. Everything is a bit less busy. Overall I enjoyed Zero Dawn more.
9:16 The detail in the background looks so much more natural and improved in this shot. Neat to see the stormbird flying around in both versions waay far in the back. I’m really excited to play this game again.
£10 upgrade if you already own the OG game is worth it in my opinion. The improvements are significant too. Hope they fixed the traversal stutter.
6:49 the new plants look so much worse I'm surprised John didn't mention how they are basically glowing this obnoxious green color. Otherwise nice comparison of course, but the foliage color is crazy, looks like a bug.
I think it’s the sun going through the leaves. Shortly after that time they’re walking through an area with those plants and they seem to be normal when looking at them from above or when behind a wall. Also the trees show this with bright green only on the edges.
@@Mogsetsu But not the surrounding grass?
I was originally hating on this remaster after seeing a few clips with, in my opinion, worse lighting during certain cutscenes, as well as much stiffer plants that don't seem to sway in the wind. After watching the full video, I'm honestly fine with those minor issues because, overall, everything else looks 1000% better. I'm looking forward to playing this version of Zero Dawn, as well as Forbidden West, on PS5 Pro.
This is like breath of the wild in PS space
The generation of remasters
@@Chasm9 But atleast the PS3 had Exclusive titles, lol the PS5 doesn't even have 20 Exclusives as for now.
Most games are still releasing on PS4 (HFW or GoD:R) or are out on PC (Like Ratchet and Clank)
@@verzocktesexclusives are going the way of the dinosaur….
God, its so pretty. And I think it's going to be a lot easier to connect with the characters when they aren't so...stilted. looking forward to running into everyone's favorite forgemommy Petra.
Gorgeous game, still gorgeous.
I never doubt Nixxes honestly
Wow. I'm really impressed with this remaster. I had a feeling that it would be good, but not this big of an overhaul of every aspect of the game. Very well done!
I will not have the time to pour into this game again, I will most probably replay it in part, just to experience the hard work and relive a very good game. Again, lighting does SO much for a game, not just this type. Both thumbs up.
Preferred the first game - had more mystery and atmosphere
Right there with you! I beat it once on PS4 Pro, then once on PS5 with the 60fps update. Will probably do it again on PS5 Pro for $10. Meanwhile I just wasn’t captivated by Part 2 as much. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Now imagine if Nixxes could remaster the Killzone Trilogy too because Guerrilla has disowned the franchise.
Horizon 1 sold more than the entire killzone franchise by a large margin.
If that means the first one, it probably needs more than just a remaster.
@@Luke973T I hope that gamers are getting tired of games like Horizon not only AC. 5/10 bloated games need to die
@heavyartillery-qm5hu gamers didn't get tired of killzone because they didn't buy the games to begin with.
I would kill for a pc port of the first 3. Dont even need remaster
It costs 500 INR which is 5.94 USD in my country if you already own the base game, for approximate 6$,it's completely worth upgrading to the remaster 👌🏻❤️👍🏻
The remaster looks insanely better, and for 10 euro, hell yeah I’ll upgrade. If anything these improvements are more drastic than what TloU part 2 and Tsushima got, but they didn’t need as much improving to be fair.
I have only 1 gripe so far but it's a big one: the hero lighting makes the character pop out of the enviroment so much that it kills the ambiance. It constantly reminds you it's just a video game.
They do that a lot in animation, Pixar and dreamworks movies.. it's certainly a choice. I like it, but sometimes I feel like it does work best with cartoony characters
hey DF thx for da analysis on this remaster
Am I dreaming or there's more pop-in on the Remastered ?
dreaming
You can see that at 6:47
@@mbsfaridi there is no pine in either of the versions at this time ?
Well that's part of the remastered update. New pop-ins included!
@@kewa_design The plants and rocks change to higher LODs.
I agree with others here that the plants are way too green, I like the old autumny look a lot more
Don't worry we have mods.
but rainforests don't become autumny, never
A reminder that you are watching this in SDR.
The game will support HDR 10 on PS5 in both RGB and Yuv422.
And probably RGB HDR in 60 fps 4K on PS5 PRO.
The 3:22-3:30 repeat is funny.
Oops!
I’ve always found HZD an excellent game and very good looking. But after playing through HFW and going back, I was surprised how flat HZD suddenly looked. A remaster isn’t a terrible idea. Now we can play the superior game with superior visuals.
Forbidden west is a big jump
@@xtr.7662Only visually. Every other aspect is inferior, especially story.
@@Garudaintruda i mean no yea the story kinda sucks but the environments gameplay animations are better thats undeniable
@@Garudaintruda
Is this really the consensus?
I can see people liking the story better in Zero Dawn because it's just a more contained and personal story, but why do people prefer the gameplay in ZD?
I just played through ZD for the first time last month and I'm about halfway through Forbidden West now and I felt like the gameplay is way better in FW. I felt like things were too simplistic in ZD and not very satisfying.
@@mmo5366 HZD also had a bit too much aliasing noise (especially on the ground) and the output was too darkish (but this could be a general problem with ps4 back compatibility on ps5) last time I played it
6:48 .The remaster easily looks way better. The quality is very good.
11:50 why do eyeballs not move? It looks so fake, people always focus on something not look like this
Still not convinced this game of all games needed a remaster. It was fine just the way it was. Nobody was complaining about the visuals in Horizon aging poorly.
They like doing remasters/remakes. It's probably a good investment due to lesser effort and time but good sales. I still think Last of Us didn't need a remake. It's like they want to update every game everytime we move forward in terms of graphics 😄
@@AninoNiKugi yeah they are updating every game, at the cost of new IPs and releases. This generation has had the lowest number of new ip releases and current gen only titles even past the mid point of a generation.
The only thing **most** people were complaining about were the character interactions. Otherwise, sure it was fine, but I don't mind the visual upgrade at all.
Remasters and remake need to be looked at on an individual, case by case basis, IMO. They aren't connected to the age of the game either, but usually whether or not there's been a significant bump in hardware capability. Even when the original game looks good, I still like seeing them get refreshed to use the latest and greatest.
TLOU didn't need its remake, but it definitely needed that initial PS4 remaster. The og PS3 version looked and ran like crap in comparison.
I was. Look at Aloy in the original.
I was already sold on this just for an excuse to replay and earn the plat again. I knew it felt improved, but seeing the direct comparison here shows just how vast those improvements were. Leaves me appreciating it even more. Definitely zero regrets. Going on a Horizon kick playing this through then Forbidden West again.
IT'S BEAUTIFUL 🥹
IMO if you look at both at 7:00 - OG looks way better because of the shadows and foliage, plus the color palate is more pleasing, not as saturated as in the remaster.
Great work! Looking forward to Alex's PC comparison!
1:34 The original looks way more natural with the lighting. Remaster looks more like a cartoon.
it's hard to say that until you actually see it.... HDR and such isn't something that's going to translate properly over RUclips.
wait until you get it on your display to judge.
@@sauhamm3821 So wait until you've already paid for it to see if its worth it?
I think that the original is much yellowish
The original is so orange.
@@JayzVeez Bro it looks fine and has always been considered a beautiful game. I promise you over the last 7 years no one said “dude this game looks orange, it needs a remaster.” It’s only standing out because of the side by side.
I think it's worth the $10 upgrade!
Man that looks so pretty, What a great Remaster. Look at the facial detail without the lighting covering it and the colours are really Lush, Feels so different. Great Job
Easily worth the $10.
No. Obviously.
They could have remastered a dozen other more deserving titles. Or you know... make a new game Sony that isn't Concord.
Edit: 6:50 7:06 also the remaster seems to have more vegetation pop in which is hugely distracting. Not good.
Great video thank you for putting so much effort ❤
The game looked absolutely fine and did not need this remaster.
The studio wanted it. Do they answer to you?
6:48 original looks way better, that foliage looks so out of place in remaster
I thought it was just me lol
@@neovssmith19it is just you
Thank you for this! I was going to buy the $10 upgrade, but this video reminded me of how good the original still looks. I’m more than happy to just play that again.
the green foliage looks really off imo
For only £10 definitely
It looks so good I cannot wait until November 7th. I even bought an extra 4tb SSD 🤤
"They looked very closely at the games original concept art and also discussed these changes with the art team"
*COUGH* BLUEPOINT *COUGH*
They have no respect for the original Japanese devs, that's what the problem is with these internal Snoy studios.
@@hellorandomperson221sure bud
@@hellorandomperson221 Ah yes, the famous Japanese game development studio... Guerilla Games, based in Amsterdam.
I don't care what you say, DF. This 'remaster' is unneeded. Where is my Gdamn inFamous collection, Killzone Trilogy, and Uncharted Trilogy remakes, for Pete's Sake...😑
Sorry to say you'll be dissapointed by those remaster and remakes since their political agenda team will ruin those pure respected franchises with dei crap just to get esg points
You can ghank blackrock for that since the ceo of ghe company wanted forced behavourual change with woman looking like men with manjaws.
You will regret them for even remaking and remastering them.
@@bobderek5111 Go outside.
@@bobderek5111 Be normal
@@bobderek5111Jesus dude, your brain done be broooooken
The improvements in facial expressions are already worth it for me.
A $10 upgrade is a fine cost, but the price change of the original is terrible.
Seems easy enough for Sony to differentiate between copies bought previously to copies bought recently and only allow cheap upgrades to previously purchased copies.
I remember years back Sony gave out free digital download for horizon zero dawn complete edition. That’s how I got mine. I wonder if I’ll be able to upgrade for 10 bucks?
@@typhlosion7183 you can