Honestly, what strikes me the most is the gorgeous color work. The artists were not afraid to craft really vibrant colors for their scenes. The sheer saturation of colors in a variety of different scenes is breathtaking, frankly.
@@axelhopfinger533Exactly. Also the games hdr settings and implementation is just perfect. There currently is just no other game which looks even similarly good in hdr, especially if you consider it's also open world.
Amazing how this 30 minute video didn't say anything about the serious problems I identified with 1 second of game!!!! Extremely disappointed in this video! Unfortunately smaller channels that speak the truth don't have the same audience as you!
I guess I am in the minority, but I am extremely disappointed in the graphics. I can't play games like this at 30fps...so that's off the table. In 60fps, the resolution and jaggies is just terrible. Coming from Uncharted Legacy, this looks downright jarring
@@homerthompson416 It's changing. Yesterday i wrote something about this problem in the /PS5 reddit and for the first time it wasn't downvoted, other people even started to talk about it too.
What an amazingly well-made video. I can’t imagine how much work it took to write and produce this video that covers all of these concepts so thoroughly, we really appreciate your hard work John. You and all of the Digital Foundry team. This is seriously impressive and you are providing an insight that nobody else can, thank you!
Misleading reviews and compressed videos. How can you recommend the game still? Just look how awful is performance mode on ps5. Is performance mode was made by ubisoft? Can't even get refund becaue I paid the digital version. If the game don't get a patch, we are all screwed up (specially oled owners)
The differences to Horizon 1 are mindblowing. Especially the new water effects are just absolutely insane. It looks so good, I wanna drink from it right now!
@@ramonandrajo6348 ESG ratings are a rating that financial institutions use (originally created by Blackrock) where your rating is essentially the more woke the higher the number. Most companies cannot get financial investments in their company if they don't have a good/high ESG rating. Hence why so many companies are going woke.
@@bbdrix23it’s the engine, Decima was obviously designed around the ps4/ps5 while SpiderMan engine seems to be not as advanced. Sony should really just tell their studios to use Decima
This is the prettiest game i've ever played. The fact that its not being discussed as much as it deserves baffles me. And i did play and loved Elden Ring as well.
Everyone other than their newest guy is enjoyable to listen to. The new guy always sounds so scripted and dull. I can't enjoy his videos and largely just started ignoring them now. I can't even remember his name because I just cannot stick around more than a few minutes of listening to his videos.
John reading this: "Thats an interesting comment ! " Jokes aside this guy is the best ! You can really feel (check his twitter) his passion for games in all his videos .
The quality of this channel 👌I guess even the developers appreciate this kind of detailed review as it highlights all the work that has gone into it. Which makes me also appreciate the work they have done even more.
Wow, Digital Foundry appear to have deleted my comment, such a shame, didnt say anything bad or negative, just surprised you did not point out the flaws in ps5 version that i and others have reported and the devs have acknowledged.
@@hexrise3569 I never thought id say this but i think your right, there is no way they would of not picked up on the shimmering or the pop in i saw in the opening titles, ridiculous. Even after the hot fix its still very noticeable, performance mode defo needs attention asap from the devs
Nice job ignoring the crappy image quality of performance mode. More than one month after launch and this shit still not fixed. Why it should be, the big reviwers says nothing about it...
This game looked so great from DFs review. But in real life on my 4K Samsung TV, performance mode is a mess. The grass and fine details like in grass shimmer when you start moving the camera. The game looks over sharpened and grainy in performance mode. Resolution mode looks better buts it’s only 30 FPS. The lighting in this game seems off. Everything looks like it has a hot white specular highlight.
@@UnderWarranty Ya it’s a shame to spend $70 for this in it current state. Clearly there’s visual issues since they’ve already released a supposed fix. I think part of the issue is they tried to put too much texture detail into some of the environment like the rocks, and it’s just making the environment look weird. Sometimes the grass is green but the rocks have bright white highlights. I swear when I play the TLOU Part 2 or Ghost of Tsushima or GOW you don’t see these issues. Even the first Zero Dawn doesn’t have these problems, it’s looks much easier on the eyes.
I love this channel but I'm surprised why so little was mentioned regarding the atrocious Performance mode. Grass, bushes, leaves, hair, rocks...pretty much everything shimmers extremely much both in motion but also stationary. The quality difference between Performance and Fidelity is quite large and I cannot believe Performance targets 1800p. To me it feels like the whole scene has this FXAA layer on top making everything slightly blurry. The game visuals are praised but the only thing I dare to praise here is the Fidelity mode which, as mentioned in the video, looks great. However, there are some people like me that really suffer playing in 30fps mode and would want to use the 60fps mode, which indeed does deliver promised frames per second but looks horrendous. Visually the overall presentation in Performance mode is a step back from HZD and I cannot stress how disappointed I am.
I would be happy to play the ps4 pro version of the game via backward compatibility on 60 fps on ps5. Hopefully guerrilla will patch this. Currently i can not enjoying the game because since i got my ps5 i'm so used to play every game in 60 fps. I don't know why John or other reviewers doesn't say any word about the cost of the mode. The performance mode is a masterpiece of shit for me! Ok maybe i'm exaggerate here a little bit but i'm very disappointed, too. I came up with the "never-buy-a-game-day-one-rule" for me. But i broke it for HFW considering a first party studio will not mess it up like the others. Maybe now i will play cyberpunk for 25 bugs first. For sure i will never ever break my rule again...
@@LastDreamy 'A critic doesn't agree with me online. They've been paid off'. Such a new and fresh way of thinking. I'm surprised people haven't been saying that since the early 2000's. Oh wait...
Been wondering this myself. The shimmering is beyond distracting. After messing with all my tv settings I ended up deleting and reinstalling to see if it was an issue with the version. If it turns out that all I had to do was disable hdr then that's pretty funny
Now that I've sunk a good few hours into the game, it's not good. Bad, like eye hurting bad I have to turn it off. The graphical glitches, the shimmering and general look of it in either mode makes it borderline unplayable. Surprised you guys never mentioned it once.
I'm glad they didn't scrap checkerboard resolution. Feels like devs these days don't bother with it and try to hit native resolutions instead. Definitely gonna play in performance mode. I don't mind a little softness if it means I can play at 60fps
Agreed. CBR is an excellent tool that comes at no cost and works on virtually any hardware. I don't have the knowledge on a per engine implementation. But, more engines should include this. It's really unfortunate that games like DL2 and Guardians of the Galaxy only run at 1080p in performance mode. 4K/60 in every game on current gen just isn't feasible. And, 1080/60 is insulting. I hope FSR will mature like DLSS did. In the meantime we have dynamic res and cbr to give us the best of both worlds.
@@Thedon-xs7ix You can always feel the difference between 30 and 60fps. It really comes down to tolerating 30fps over 60. A willingness to sacrifice precision and performance for visual fidelity. Admittedly, some games can pull off 30fps really well. Spiderman on PS4 felt really great and responsive. So, it's not impossible to enjoy a 30fps experience. ...I'll preface the next part by saying it's definitely not an insult. If you're more of a casual gamer that doesn't care as much about input time, can deal with less precision, and values resolution above fluidity of movement- then go for 30fps. Personally, I think the minor hit in visuals won't be enough to dissuade most people from playing at 60fps.
I think checkerboard rendering at 1800p was a bad idea. It should only ever be used at native res. In this case they should have used temporal upsampling with drs. I suppose that wasn't implemented in the engine though.
Why are you ignoring how bad the performance mode looks? Look around youtube and many people have said that the performance mode is terrible. Are you afraid of your playstation fanbase? God.. stop being bias. Performance mode is a disgrace and is worst than horizon zero down. 30 FPS on action game is unplayable... Very disappointed by the lack of honesty by Digital Foundry when it comes to playstation.
they're afraid of not getting the access they need from Guerrilla Games (I think they've had this before) - I never trust these guys with top tier games let alone Sony exclusives, they have a tendency to gloss over issues...
Almost like a kid in a candy store. I find myself often getting hyped to watch a DF Tech review. It can only be credited to a well-scripted, produced, and presented video. Amazing work! GG's guys!
Holy shit! Those vistas are amazing, and how much money did it go into making water so great?! I remember aweing at the water effects in Bioshock (1)... how far have we come
Would’ve really preferred native 1440p. I seriously can’t stand the flickering of checkerboard rendering on thin edges - foliage, specifically. Imo, HZD was borderline unplayable below 2160p because of how horrible aliasing looked on grass with its AA implementation basically skipping grass. DLSS has completely fixed that… if only these consoles ran on Nvidia GPUS…
That is the problem with gamers they can't enjoy a game if it doesn't have a lot pixels. I played HZD with an really old TV and to me it looked good. If we keep demanding good graphics we get shitty games.
@@petermolina1317 I half-agree with you. There is a standard for a clean image though pixels aren’t the only means to facilitate that as sharp ≠ clean. So pixel counts, to an extent, are important for that. I personally would never go back to playing a game at 1080p but I’m totally okay with 1440p over 2160p - though I do, absolutely notice the difference, the image is stable and clean enough for it to not really be losing anything, but not have the gains of the extra resolution. I just don’t understand why HFW didn’t go native 1440 with TAA - checkerboard 1800p with virtually no AA looks so much worse.
I know exactly why John didn't focus on it. We all prefer 60, but having tried both on PS5, I can confidently say, Performance Mode in this game is super low-res and muddy. Not worth the trade off like in say.. Ratchet & Clank or Miles Morales. In Forbidden West, it's just.. bad. Waiting for PS5 Pro to replay this game
All these comments pointing out blatant and obvious issues that DF neglected to mention leading most of us to be hugely dissapointed in visuals, not one reply or video from DF addressing these issues, my confidence in DF has been rocked now and I'm now thinking, like a lot of youtubers, that maybe DF got paid off, if this is the case it will be last time i watch one of their video's, we need more honesty in this industry, not more paid off reviews. 😒
@Transistor Jump Ok, thanks for saying that. I dont get what your trying to get at, 1 min you seemed to defend them by saying they reviewed a pre patched game, i shown you they said it was better after the patch, now your saying that everything they say is not true. Thats my point, they have lied and didnt tell us the poor visual defects in the game that many are experiencing.
@Transistor Jump I'm sorry if me saying that upset you, but how else was i to take it? I put a comment, you replied stating it was the day 1 patch that broke the game and they reviewed a pre patched game, if you watched the video instead of assuming you would of known this, as i said, they stated and shown the patch improved it in the video. I didnt say everything they said was false, i said they neglected to point out the obvious bad defects which a lot of people are experiencing.
Why did you guys not mention at all the awful over-sharpened "grainy" look of the game, the AWFUL stuttering when moving the camera in resolution mode on PS5, the "30 FPS" that feels like half that, the weird aliasing issues with foliage (even in resolution mode), and the HDR turning on and off when moving/stopping the camera??? All of these were IMMEDIATELY noticeable upon starting the game on PS5 in resolution mode on a 4K Samsung Q80 TV. It is completely unplayable, compared to say Spiderman Miles Morales in resolution mode. I started playing Horizon and I was like "were the Digital Foundry guys paid off by Sony?" How could you not notice how awful the game looks and give it nothing but praise??? This RUclips video looks great though... 30 FPS looks fine, no HDR issues, no shimmering and aliasing. WTF happened???
Still can't imagine where is reviewers now? Sleeping? No one is talking about this major issue. All they care about is clicks and monetization because such subject doesn't interest majority of people. Just keep throwing us gameplays, walkthrough and spoilers that's how money is made.
coming back here after Spider-Man 2 and Alan Wake 2..... Man, is Ray Tracing really necessary? Those two games still don't look as good as this and this runs flawlessly WITHOUT FSR or DLSS.
I thankfully got a refund until this is fixed. This is an incredibly misleading video. The performance mode is unplayable. Very disappointed as I trusted you guys for a day one purchase. Please take another look with some more eyes on it this time.
Unplayable oh my could you be more dramatic. Everyone is giving the game 9’s and 10’s. Game is visually superb. Quit nitpicking over every little thing
This game looks horrible on my lg C1 oled. Not sure if anyone else is having issues as well. Extremely fuzzy and shimmering graphics at 60fps. Zero dawn looks better. Hopefully it’s a bug. I’m playing Ps5 version on performance
DUDE 100% my buddy is clowning me saying there's something wrong with my eyes. i'm on a C8. was super unimpressed. looks so grainy and shimmery. makes me think something is wrong with my tv!
I got last years Sony tv, it’s awful on that too. I have a 1440p monitor that supports a 4K signal and Downsamples to 1440p. I was hoping that would at least look like native 1440p, nope. Looks awful on that too
@@brianmiller9585 something is definitely off with the graphics on this game. Compared to many other ps5 games that run 60fps (Hitman 3 and AC Valhalla) the fine details are very poor and blurry. Not that impressed
Dear DF, why u tricked people about picture, especially in performance mode? 60 fps mode is totally unplayable on ps5, visual quality is awful: low resolution, dirty and shimmy picture. Game visual is broken now, just go and look thread with 2000+ posts about graphics problems on Reddit. Fidelity mode isn't good too. Thank u for analysis and preorders...
@@getsuckedd5685 Ahh blind ignorant people everywhere. Performance mode is trash right now and DF did not mention it and false advertised it. It is a gimmick you know that? We all suffer in performance and resolution mode does not matter all the modes are broken and DF did not mention it a bit. Even a tiny bit. The game looks garbage with its poor sharpening filter and bad anti aliasing. Don't ever defend that and try to push devs to fix it! Nowadays' consumers......
"I don't see that, picture is great" is everywhere on the RUclips and twitter. But we have 2.5k posts on Reddit about same problem - visual is broken. Cmon
its really bad tbh. i have no idea what they did, either the reconstruction technique is bad or the dynamic scaler, the oversharpening or the antialiasing method.
Performence mode is horrendous, iv tried hgig, dtm, the gane doesnt use the ps5s hdr calibrations at all. And resolution mode looks amazing i just cant play at 30 anymore, feel like im playing rockstar game with those heavy ass controls. As for the game im only in the first main part about to go into the forbidden west... honestly so far its abit shit feels like an expansion so far, same everythings from the movements to the old still jumping and turning. Hopefully when i venture into the forbidden west the look changes because so far like i said it just feel like im in zero dawn
I love how Digital Foundry evolved becoming not only the technical benchmark but also a meritorical benchmark. Listening to John is always a pleasure. Always on point, always calm, always smart and most importantly always objective.
@@darkhaven9119 Why ask the question when you can look it up yourself? To shine with or reflect a subdued, tremulous light; gleam faintly. to appear to quiver or vibrate in faint light. It took me 10 seconds to find this. You’re welcome.
Why didn't you guys point out the TERRIBLE color/shimmering/aliasing/HDR/saturation bug? The detail of everything gets brighter when you move and suddenly dims when stopped... MANY people are having these issues in both modes, sadly.
Yes!!! I have this issue and see others talking about it, but I can't see it replicated when I watch any other videos on youtube so I keep thinking it is my tv.
When have their videos been about mentioning bugs that are going to be fixed really quick? They will rarely mention something like that because it is actually the exact opposite of what their videos are suppose to betray. Does nobody actually know the point to their videos.
not much considering the only difference they could have done was add in ray tracing but that's too demanding for this kind of game. PS5 gpu is basically a AMD 6600xt. paired with a ryzen 3700x if you wanna build a PC equivalent. in terms of graphical fidelity this is as good as were gonna get with the hardware inside the PS5 and Series X
@@matthewjuarbe5826 he's not talking about computer specs or any shit like that he's talking about the actual game engine when they update to the next version of decima engine. And by the way trying to compare any system to any similar computer equivalency is a complete bullshit argument because the way that optimization works computers will always have to be substantially more powerful to keep up with the console output
PLEASE Digital Foundry, make a video about the bad image quality of the performance mode. Media are confusing the "shimmering bug" (which was already fixed) with the shimmering/flickering of the textures in performance mode. This is what thousands of comments in the support threads are all about, but media is writing articles "Everything is OK, bug was fixed". That's not true. There need to be awareness outside of the support threads. This game has the worst image quality (i am not speaking of graphics style here) of all games on PS5 i have seen so far.
@@fugamantew Search it on RUclips, for example "Horizon Forbidden West - Performance Mode is Broken" or read some of the thousands of comments about this in the support threads of the game. Even DF admitted it on Twitter, but they never made a video about it.
Hi DF! I think this could be interesting for you: Channel "Gaming Tech", Video "Horizon Forbidden West - Performance Mode is Broken". A very professional analysis.
How come you guys don’t touch on how grainy the dynamic resolution looks super grainy in performance mode? Distant objects seem to drop to what looks like 720p sometimes it’s so bad. It gets even worse if you have your console inside a cabinet where it’s running warmer. I placed a small fan near my cabinet to push cool air into it while play and it helped drastically however, there was still very noticeable low resolution being used on background objects. Objects not even that far away maybe 10 meters or so in the background. The game will clearly do whatever it takes to maintain 60fps which I can appreciate but sometimes like it cutscenes it looks so bad that I quickly switch it to resolution mode just to watch the game how it was likely intended. I’m absolutely loving this game but it’s weird I hardly find anyone talking about this at all. *edit* okay after reading comments below it seems everyone is talking about this lmao.
It is impressive but surely not realistic. You won't see trails behind raccons in the wild. You will have a hard time even up close inspecting footprints on soft earth. The effect should be toned down for lighter creatures and perhaps even turned off for really small ones.
"The choice between quality and performance isn't clear cut" Well it is. Do you want migraine inducing, stuttery, shitty gameplay? Or do you want 60fps?
It’s usually an easy decision like that for me too but this game currently has an issue where smaller details and vegetation look really grainy… especially with the performance mode 😭 So I keep jumping between the two modes but I really despise 30 fps…
I'm a die hard PC guy... But this... This is STUPID impressive. The last game that blew me away was RDR2 and now it's this game. I look forward to the eventual PC release.
I must have gotten a beta build, mine doesn't look no where near that especially in preformance mode. The shimmering and grainess or too much for me. Resolution mode looks good until you get into a fight.
Try waiting for an update. Shimmering should get fixed but idk about the graphics getting an upgrade in 60. 30fps is always going to look better with half the frames only being rendered, doubling the performance
Check out the last video I posted on my channel, this is a shame! The graphics is horrible in performance mode, in resolution mode it is better, but far from ideal.
I love these guys but no no no no. you mean "Great Job Guerilla Games studio and Sony Interactive" for perfectly utilizing their Decima Engine and create an amazing game on top of it.
To think these visuals are been produced so early in the PS5’s life is astonishing.I think this is what Mark Cerny was aiming for when designing the PS5 architecture.I love attention to detail in games and this is just remarkable.What a talented dev team these guy’s are .
💯.Wish Naughty Dog would do a new genre instead of constantly remaking their old games.There were rumours about a fantasy game but nothing has been heard since.Please Sony get the big hitters do something new.
If you will disable motion blur it's stuttering hell. With motion blur it's okish, but not good. Players that don't have any stuttering are probably not using the gaming mode on the TV and accepting laggy controls and artefacts.
I just bought the game and I'm honestly upset with you guys. You are usually highly objective about analysis and based on this video, I was going to happily play performance mode like I usually do. However, from the very beginning stage, I noticed how horrid performance mode looked. It isn't even remotely as crisp as the original HZD on PS5. Then I came across the blight effect on the red vegetation. It looked horrid, absolutely horrid. Like PS1 era particle effects. I was very surprised you guys didn't use this as a comparison between the two modes. Normally you would point out something so obvious like that. No two ways about it, HFW's performance mode is very unoptimized. For the first time ever, I'm playing this game in quality mode as a result. They really need to improve the anti-aliasing in the perf mode.
This digital foundry video is a disgrace. They love to zoom in to find problems, but here they haven't talked about how horrible the performance mode is. Sometimes it looks like a PS3 game adapted for PS5.
@@Rafaellk07 right? So I'm not being crazy. I couldn't believe DF didn't mention the severity of the difference. No way they missed it either. Especially that blight effect, I mean it's in the very first moments of the game. Aloy even has to take time to examine it. This is very unlike DF. I hope they aren't becoming like other channels who are biased due to receiving free copies of the game.
Search for this: Channel "Gaming Tech", Video "Horizon Forbidden West - Performance Mode is Broken". The first really professional analysis of this topic.
Was waiting for them to mention the drastic difference, but he never got to it. I completely agree. Performance mode is unoptomized and imo unplayable.
The game has huge graphical issues in both modes....seems a bit dodgy how you guys mentioned none of it in this video. Can we get a reply from you guys? Not implying sony paid you off or anything of the like...just seems hugely misleading from you guys.
Hi John. Did you have a different version than what we all are playing on now? With performance mode and even fidelity, there is god awful shimmering that is so distracting an nauseating, making it unplayable. Would love for you guys to revisit this as your voices/expertise on the matter would help in getting this “glaring” problem addressed by Guerrilla faster.
@@griffgames9538 that doesn’t seem to work. Still horrific graininess. Something I’m not seeing in review footage the past week. Something must have changed or it’s just so much foliage/detail that just exacberates the issue. Playing on both a 4K HDR (lcd) and 1080p non-HDR Sony set.
@@diocub4022 there’s no VRR on PS5. And not only does the image shimmer even on fidelity mode, it looks like sharpness is jacked up to 11 making the whole image look kind of shit. This is with sharpness on my C1 at 0 without super resolution and any other image-altering video settings disabled
Resolution Mode is next gen in case of particles yes. But 30 fps is old gen for me. However performance mode has huge graphical issues. Every particle or other fine detail especially in vegetation is flickering and shimmering like nothing else i've ever see on ps5. Bad upscaling, checkerboarding or anti-aliasing I suggest. Yeah John the 60 fps mode is stable but on what cost? I would be happy to play the ps4 pro version of the game via backward compatibility on 60 fps on ps5. Hopefully guerrilla will patch this. Currently i can not enjoying the game because since i got my ps5 i'm so used to play every game in 60 fps. I don't know why John or other reviewers doesn't say any word about this.
@@fenixa2z936 Because of youtube's video compression. Also the video is not in HDR. John Linneman says it himself in the other video about HFW. You have to download the video on digital foundrys website to see everything/more. However to download it you have to become official member/supporter of DF and that cost 5$ a month or so.
200lb raccoon. Just saying. A raccoon, or any other animal really, will not deform grass like that, unless it weighs 200lbs or more. That raccoon is a lawnmower.
This game looks incredibly beautiful as I watch this video on my phone. I can’t wait to see what it looks like on my OLED on Friday! Absolutely gorgeous!
Why 60 FPS mode looks so blurry even at 1800p? I suspect there is a double scaling in place here. One resolution scaling with resolution with a range for example 720p minimum 1080p max, and a secondary fixed scaling (checkboard reandering) that boost the image to 1800p.
Well done John and Digital Foundry team! Your Tech Reviews continue to impress. Not just from an gamer perspective, but attention given to what makes the game itself, is a great acknowledgement to the development team. It recognizes their hard work and effort put into such a project. This really appeals to multiple audiences. A real treat for the eyes and ears. Keep up the excellent work!!!
I have a really big feeling that Sony payed DF off to not point out how bad the 60fps mode truly is on this game. The performance mode has a pixelated blurry look that should of been pointed out in this video but isn’t. It clearly is a 1080p image scaled to 1800p using checkerboard rendering that makes it look like a mess. I do not recommend performance mode at all! Maybe on a 2nd playthrough after you’ve experienced the game but as a first impression its so bad!
I don't think so, df clearly said that he played the game in resolution mode so maybe he missed out what you are pointing out because he doesn't use the performance mode enough, or maybe is just a bug or an issue that will be patched and not everyone had.
I purchased HFW based on these guys technical analysis. Gotta say, super disappointed & feel like I've been deceived. Playing this on a LG C1 and the graphics are just atrocious. Resolution mode looks a lot better but than the framerate is just hard to get used to. It's 2022 FFS, games shouldn't ship in 30 fps. Not trying to be a snob or anything, but games like Uncharted, GOT, Rift Apart, TLOU2 just to name a few had better upscaling methods than this game. They look a lot cleaner without taking a hit to image quality. DF should've mentioned the issues with performance mode. Will be taking their future technical analysis with a huge grain of salt from now on.
Couldn't agree more, they must of known yet neglected to say anything, paid for im guessing. As you say, my opinion and trust in them has been shaken massively from this. Lets hope the patch the devs are working on will improve the games visuals. If it does, im looking forward to DF's analysis of the patch. I wonder how they will talk about improvements when they already said such high things about it with zero mention of any defects that every day gamers spotted immediately.
Single player game, who cares if it's 60 or 30? I don't. If you want to whine, PC gaming is right over ---> this way. Leave single player games content with beautiful graphics, stable 30. Bye.
People tend to think things look fairly similar when the art direction and general design is similar, but these are some very substantial improvements that to me result in a much more beautiful and convincing world to explore.
Yes the game looks great no doubt but you can definitely tell it’s cross gen roots. It’s not as big of a jump than what FH5 was over FH4 and it’s not as impressive as Hellblade 2. Hellblade 2 is the most visually stunning game to date in the video game world followed by Flight Sim and FH5 with HFW and Ratchet n Clank bringing up the rear.
@@gamerbum9350 So what, you say? The game isn't out buddy. You don't know what the actual game will look like. How many times have we seen trailers that look amazing and then a massive drop off in the actual release version of the game? When will people learn?
Im at a point in gaming where I'm as excited for the DF review as I am for actually playing the game. Shining a light on the art direction and in depth analysis of the game engine gives me a greater appreciation for the game and in many cases elevates my experience when playing.
Totally true for me too. Call me lazy, but if a game that DF doesn't cover gives me the choice of performance, RT, or resolution modes, I'll usually just pick resolution and run through the game since I find it's usually a consistent choice and I don't mind 30fps too much. DF is awesome because instead of having to switch between modes (which often involves restarting a game to some degree) and look for the small details early on, I can find out my preferred option before it's even installed. And like you said, it actively makes the experience more fun for me when I understand how impressive it is under the hood and can spot the little things.
Great job avoiding the performance mode, and steering the conversation around it. My respect for this site has gone down. This used to be the end all be all of performance reviews, you dropped the ball. Shame, shame
Why don’t you mention all the bugs? I’m very confused as isn’t that what DF is supposed to do?? Now it just looks like your biast. Df only gives feedback on glitches when it want to.
To Digital Foundry Staff: like all of us, I love your technical breakdown videos… they are an incredible resource to me as a gamer. That said, I do want to raise a constructive criticism: is it possible your credibility is in question when you consider Horizon Forbidden West a master class in graphics when Performance mode is clearly very blurry, and many, many people are reporting serious blurriness / anti-aliasing issues with leaves, foliage, grass, etc.? This is especially proven as true when compared to Horizon Zero Dawn, or Ghost of Tsushima. Neither of these similarly structured games, (while one is from the same developer!), are currently having these issues. What are your thoughts on this? Thank you for your consideration!
@@hexrise3569 Thank you for your kind words here! I don’t mean to beat on Digital Foundry’s staff at all. I hope it didn’t come across that way. Instead, I am really just asking if they really sat squarely with the performance mode and truly evaluated its performance. It seems like there are thousands of players who report that performance mode is really, really fuzzy and blurry, and virtually unplayable…which is the experience I am having.
You guys at DF did a terrible job with this particular analysis. How did you forget to tell the consumers of the shimmering and anti-aliasing issues on PS5 performance mode? Quite disappointed in the dishonesty in this analysis.
Played this game with a friend last night on his PS5 and on a B9 OLED and i have to say that the performance mode had a really bad image quality when it came to mid distance vegetation, it was everything so noisy, it was incredibly bad i have to say and its a massive shame because thats a huge visual aspect of the game. I have no idea what Guerilla was thinking. If i look at other open world cross gen 60fps modes, they are much much cleaner image quality wise. Also the game appears to me oversharpened and it had nothing to do with the TV or PS settings. The HDR implementation also seemed somewhat off with blown out highlights and color saturation seemed to me also a tad much. Again, its a shame because if these areas would be fixed the game would truly shine, you can see how incredible it can look. But these aspects drag the image quality down massively.
yes! the oversharpness is exactly what i'm seeing. along with the grainy/shimmer. i hate that sharp look. reminds me of ghost recon games. just too crisp and grainy.
@@th3orist i just find it weird that there hasn't been much talk about it. or at least, in the reviews at and just before launch, it was all about how amazing the game looks. so when i threw it on, i thought something was wrong with my machine/tv. granted i can see it definitely is an awesome looking game. but the artifacting, some grainy textures and blurriness in performance mode should have at least been a big talking point. definitely not nearly as crisp as the first one back compat 60fps.
I wanted to make it clear that the blurry and grainy image problem is present in both game modes!! In performance mode it is very visible, in resolution mode it gives an improvement, but it is still there! In some situations the effect is simply terrible and even occurs with the game paused!! Also the game seems to have a horrible saturation filter that forces players to fiddle with the TV settings to alleviate the problem!! The first game had a much cleaner and nicer image, I'm scared by the low quality of the game on PS5!!! This video is a joke, sometimes they zoom in to find faults and here they didn't say anything???
"I'm scared by the low quality of the game on PS5" - You're telling this game is LOW Quality? im sorry, but maybe you need glasses. Sounds like you need an eye transplant, shame. Sometimes they zoom in to find faults and here they didn't say anything??? - They zoomed in MULTIPLE times, and it looks detailed as fuck. This hyperbole is ridiculous
I Agree with this, the image is pretty terrible with all the shimmering and fuzziness in 60 fps mode. However it's a good trade off if you have a qled tv as 30 fps is quite sickening in motion. I think it would have looked better if they stuck 1440p rather than 1800p checkerboard. It make it look like there's no anti aliasing applied.
I have it on PS5 and it doesn’t look amazing, it’s good but nothing incredible. It looks like HDR photography with everything turned up and with peculiar non directional lighting on the main characters so they look like they are running around on green screens. Red dead redemption on PS4 pro and the Last of Us 2 as well as in many respects the last Tomb Raider game and God of War look equally aa good. Next gen still hasn’t really arrived yet.
@@zaydalam4905 the cut scenes in this are very very good but is this what is making next generation games rather than the in-game. It feels like a movie in the cut scenes.
anyone else play yet (ps5) and was a little shocked at how grainy/shimmery everything is? performance mode more prominent. doesn't seem to have that smooth crispness of the old one. or something like Ghosts of Tsushima or Kena. if this is devs' new technique to "push pixels", i don't like it.
This game has serious anti aliassing problem which is even more evident in Performance mode. And the fact there is no comment on that is somewhat surprising...
I antialiasing and see it on my monitor on performance mode, and on resolution mode It doesn't look noticeable. Playing the ps5 on my OLED TV the antiaalisasing in performance mode dissapears. I don't understand how that works.
Unfortunately all the people playing performance mode are having the opposite impressions as those who prefer fidelity. So I think this guy's preference for fidelity mode skews the review abit.
Because we were misled. See John Linneman's tweet about the image quality not being great and the picture being very noisy on performance mode the day after launch when we had already blown $60 on the game. Would have been nice if he included that in his video instead of calling it a PS5 Graphics Masterclass. What a joke this channel is.
You guys honestly didn’t have any performance issues on Resolution mode? On PS5 I feel like mine is running at 15-20fps constantly, it doesn’t feel smooth at all. (But I could just be so used to 60fps)
You guys lied to the people. Forbidden west runs horrible on the ps5 in graphics mode. It’s less than 30 fps and in performance mode there is so many problems I would have never bought it. But you guys got paid buy taming to lie to us. I personally am disappointed In you digital foundry
This has to be one of the most visually impressive games ever created... seriously, seriously impressive Edit: emphasis on ONE OF, for those who seem not to get what that means! 😅
@@Fox_H96 This looks quite a bit better than Forza. Even then, one can still think both are some of the most visually impressive games. Sound like some cringe fanboyism to me.
After getting used to the smoothness of 60 fps in performance mode is hard to deal with 30 fps, but the 4k 30fps in forbidden west looks so much sharper. I’m gonna have to play in fidelity mode this time with this game 🔥
30 fps makes me feel motion sick if I sick close to my 55 inch 4K LED TV but 60 fps feels and looks great. I play my PS5 games at fidelity/30fps when sitting far and performance/60fps when sitting close.
The res mode is bad imo. It may look slightly better but the 30fps has a huge negative impact on not just fluidity of the game but the visual side as well, it looks jittery and bad, like its in slow motion. Sorry but no one should be picking it over the 60 fps mode. Unless you plan on standing still and not actually playing the game because as soon as you do it's an awful experience in res mode completely negating the any advantages those modes have. It's time to bin them off.
@Transistor Jump Not trolling, higher standards. 30fps is bad for gaming. It needs to be left behind. This game is a fine example. People saying it looks better in 30fps. It doesn't its demolished as soon as you start moving and playing by a jittery visual blurry mess and sluggish camera movement. Completely negates any benefit a "res" mode gives. I strongly believe if you are picking 30 over 60 now a days you need to just stop gaming because you clearly don't like playing games otherwise you'd play it in the mode that feels 1000000x better to play.
I'm really struggling to choose between resolution and performance, coming from zero dawn with 60 fps update, to this and it looking more shimmery in cutscenes or grass parts etc but the quality mode looks so dam nice... But 30 fps sucks for combat !
If it was a dedicated ps5 game maybe th8ngs would be different… this is just a PS4 game with a few improvements..certainly not the graphical masterpiece they’re all harping on about
@@flappospammo It is though. The amount of detail is incredible. Its drop dead gorgeous. The only thing keeping it back is the shit AA. Once they fix that......
There've been so many people reporting significant shimmering and noisiness in the performance mode yet it doesn't seem emphasised in this video at all. It's weird. Edit: Guerrilla have acknowledged the issue on the horizon subreddit
It's terrible .. The performance mode.. My god! the static picture quality made up of the resolution and anti-aliasing, is very blurry with noisy shimmering artifacts.. At times performance mode looks like 720p.. And not a good one at that..! I'm being dead serious, 1080p in other games has looked better than HFW. Going back into horizon zero Dawn you get that crystal clear 2160p at dead locked 60fps, and it really does look far superior.. They crammed way to much object detail, density and effects into the forbidden West and was forced to compromise greatly on picture quality (resolution/AA) in order to maintain 60fps The result is an inferior fidelity as compared to what they released 5 years ago.. Amateurs!! And these Sony shills at DF is turning a blind eye, unsubbed!!
@@Lasse3 So many things wrong with this game and all the reviewers are part of the problem. Just to get some extra money and more views. Sadly nowadays we see less and less reviews that are completely objective and more and more games realesing without being complete. That is why this market is going down one day and I will be glad if it happens we need the product we buy completely functional not incomplete and wait a couple months to finally have it functional.
Honestly, what strikes me the most is the gorgeous color work. The artists were not afraid to craft really vibrant colors for their scenes. The sheer saturation of colors in a variety of different scenes is breathtaking, frankly.
This game's visuals were practically made for HDR.
@@axelhopfinger533Exactly. Also the games hdr settings and implementation is just perfect. There currently is just no other game which looks even similarly good in hdr, especially if you consider it's also open world.
Digital Foundry’s reviews have become essential viewing for any game I’m interested in playing.
I agree. I won’t buy a game now without researching it technically.
I learned this lesson with cyberpunk
Especially now that I own both a series x and ps5 I come to them first before making a purchase
First digital foundry tech review .then purchase.
Digital foundry for tech specs and any resolution/fps questions for sure
Amazing how this 30 minute video didn't say anything about the serious problems I identified with 1 second of game!!!! Extremely disappointed in this video! Unfortunately smaller channels that speak the truth don't have the same audience as you!
I completely agree, there is definitely some Sony sucking up going on here.
@@thepluggy1 DF likes to be fucked by sony
I guess I am in the minority, but I am extremely disappointed in the graphics. I can't play games like this at 30fps...so that's off the table. In 60fps, the resolution and jaggies is just terrible.
Coming from Uncharted Legacy, this looks downright jarring
No, you are not. There are thousands of comments about this in the support threads of the game.
@@MarkusFFFF And thousands of downvotes if you mention how shit this looks on r/PS5 lol.
@@homerthompson416 It's changing. Yesterday i wrote something about this problem in the /PS5 reddit and for the first time it wasn't downvoted, other people even started to talk about it too.
I wonder why he didn’t mention any of these issues in his video. It’s really hard for me to believe he didn’t notice these issues
What an amazingly well-made video. I can’t imagine how much work it took to write and produce this video that covers all of these concepts so thoroughly, we really appreciate your hard work John. You and all of the Digital Foundry team. This is seriously impressive and you are providing an insight that nobody else can, thank you!
You new here?
@@reedified6514 haha even for a DF video I was impressed, this is an infinitely better piece than say just a performance review and comparsion
this
U new here? Stop being cringe ok. Not the first time already the way u talk man it makes me puke
@@Xinlongsai you sound insecure about something
Decima is genuinely incredible.
I’m very interested to see what Kojima does with it next too
@woody me too. Death Stranding was also gorgeous.
@@zubiecup Death stranding actually made me more excited for forbidden West because death stranding looking so good
@George xander Oh look at me! I'm smarter than you!
Nobody cares bozo...let people enjoy things.
I’m impressed with the ps4 version. They managed it well and stable 30fps. I got the ps5 though.
The game was straight up phenomenal they litterly improved in every single aspect!!
Fr man
*literally
Misleading reviews and compressed videos.
How can you recommend the game still? Just look how awful is performance mode on ps5.
Is performance mode was made by ubisoft?
Can't even get refund becaue I paid the digital version.
If the game don't get a patch, we are all screwed up (specially oled owners)
The differences to Horizon 1 are mindblowing. Especially the new water effects are just absolutely insane. It looks so good, I wanna drink from it right now!
Me too 😋💧💧💧
Don’t do it
Super Mario Sunshine is still the king of yummy water lol
thats what i thought, it made me thirsty
@@Maxxxim1 they put something in it.
I love seeing comparisons to the previous games, in my mind they always looked better than they actually did
@@ramonandrajo6348 Gotta get their esg rating up.
@@TechnoMinarchist he's commenting this on everything positive don't give into the bait. He's a big Halo fan.
@@ramonandrajo6348 ESG ratings are a rating that financial institutions use (originally created by Blackrock) where your rating is essentially the more woke the higher the number.
Most companies cannot get financial investments in their company if they don't have a good/high ESG rating. Hence why so many companies are going woke.
@@ramonandrajo6348 Poor little snowflake.
@@ramonandrajo6348 I'd suggest you grow up and stop being "triggered" by every little thing.
The fact that they accomplished a game that looks better than Naughty Dog’s but in a massive open world is absolutely insane.
This was also the case in comparing Horizon Zero Dawn and Uncharted 4
It looks soo much better then Spider-Man 2 PS5 which is not a cross gen game.
@@bbdrix23it’s the engine, Decima was obviously designed around the ps4/ps5 while SpiderMan engine seems to be not as advanced.
Sony should really just tell their studios to use Decima
@spiral7399you can say you prefer the art style, but to say uncharted 4 is better on a technical scale is false
Because of this, both HZD & Last of us 2 are getting a remaster 🙄
This is the prettiest game i've ever played. The fact that its not being discussed as much as it deserves baffles me. And i did play and loved Elden Ring as well.
I think it’s because everything else in the game is quite derivative.
@@PointlesslyNecessaryConvos Thats my opinion on 99% of the games i play these days, including these both.
Pretty is not the same as entertaining. The game is boring like most games these days.
@@Markos581973 And that is your opinion, which differs from mine.
@@Markos581973 imagine thinking your opinion is fact. Lmao fuckin’ internet people.
There really is no one like John to offer us videos quite like this. Masterfully crafted. Thank you for your amazing work John
Both John and Alex are S tier in their craft
No, they’re all excellent.
Everyone other than their newest guy is enjoyable to listen to. The new guy always sounds so scripted and dull. I can't enjoy his videos and largely just started ignoring them now. I can't even remember his name because I just cannot stick around more than a few minutes of listening to his videos.
John is paul's hardware long lost twin, ofcourse hes the best.
John reading this:
"Thats an interesting comment ! "
Jokes aside this guy is the best ! You can really feel (check his twitter) his passion for games in all his videos .
No mention of the atrocious image quality of performance mode. My God its a jaggy mess.
are you kiddin me? looks like shit imo
The quality of this channel 👌I guess even the developers appreciate this kind of detailed review as it highlights all the work that has gone into it. Which makes me also appreciate the work they have done even more.
Word 💪🏼
The best part of these tech breakdowns is it makes me appreciate small but amazing stuff I might otherwise overlook.
Looks more like the publishers appreciate a fluff piece that completely ignores how shitty performance mode looks
@@homerthompson416 Looks too good tbh 🤷🏻♂️
Wow, Digital Foundry appear to have deleted my comment, such a shame, didnt say anything bad or negative, just surprised you did not point out the flaws in ps5 version that i and others have reported and the devs have acknowledged.
99% they got paid to throw us some fake reviews
@@hexrise3569 I never thought id say this but i think your right, there is no way they would of not picked up on the shimmering or the pop in i saw in the opening titles, ridiculous. Even after the hot fix its still very noticeable, performance mode defo needs attention asap from the devs
Nice job ignoring the crappy image quality of performance mode. More than one month after launch and this shit still not fixed. Why it should be, the big reviwers says nothing about it...
This game looked so great from DFs review. But in real life on my 4K Samsung TV, performance mode is a mess. The grass and fine details like in grass shimmer when you start moving the camera. The game looks over sharpened and grainy in performance mode. Resolution mode looks better buts it’s only 30 FPS. The lighting in this game seems off. Everything looks like it has a hot white specular highlight.
have not had these problems at all
I have the exact same issues, i thought it was my OLED TV, not sure how people can't see it
@@SentientIronHeart Glad you’re able to enjoy it.
@@UnderWarranty Ya it’s a shame to spend $70 for this in it current state. Clearly there’s visual issues since they’ve already released a supposed fix. I think part of the issue is they tried to put too much texture detail into some of the environment like the rocks, and it’s just making the environment look weird. Sometimes the grass is green but the rocks have bright white highlights. I swear when I play the TLOU Part 2 or Ghost of Tsushima or GOW you don’t see these issues. Even the first Zero Dawn doesn’t have these problems, it’s looks much easier on the eyes.
Same issue here. Regret paying full price for it. Imagine if they don't patch the performance mode? Reviewers are full of shit on youtube
I love this channel but I'm surprised why so little was mentioned regarding the atrocious Performance mode. Grass, bushes, leaves, hair, rocks...pretty much everything shimmers extremely much both in motion but also stationary. The quality difference between Performance and Fidelity is quite large and I cannot believe Performance targets 1800p. To me it feels like the whole scene has this FXAA layer on top making everything slightly blurry.
The game visuals are praised but the only thing I dare to praise here is the Fidelity mode which, as mentioned in the video, looks great. However, there are some people like me that really suffer playing in 30fps mode and would want to use the 60fps mode, which indeed does deliver promised frames per second but looks horrendous. Visually the overall presentation in Performance mode is a step back from HZD and I cannot stress how disappointed I am.
I would be happy to play the ps4 pro version of the game via backward compatibility on 60 fps on ps5.
Hopefully guerrilla will patch this.
Currently i can not enjoying the game because since i got my ps5 i'm so used to play every game in 60 fps.
I don't know why John or other reviewers doesn't say any word about the cost of the mode.
The performance mode is a masterpiece of shit for me!
Ok maybe i'm exaggerate here a little bit but i'm very disappointed, too.
I came up with the "never-buy-a-game-day-one-rule" for me. But i broke it for HFW considering a first party studio will not mess it up like the others. Maybe now i will play cyberpunk for 25 bugs first.
For sure i will never ever break my rule again...
I can't honestly bring myself to drop out of fidelity mode. The game looks too damned gorgeous. I've not even tried performance mode...
@@LastDreamy Sad day to see Digital Foundry becoming just another shill channel
@@s4tchm0j0n3s Try it. I couldn't play at 30fps after going 60fps.
@@LastDreamy 'A critic doesn't agree with me online. They've been paid off'. Such a new and fresh way of thinking. I'm surprised people haven't been saying that since the early 2000's. Oh wait...
The quality of Playstation exclusive games!!! 😀
Why didn’t you mention the shimmering on lg Oled tv’s, looks like shit
same here. it seems to be a hdr bug. when you turn it testwise off. no flickering. its a shame. waiting for a patch. it ruins the game.
Been wondering this myself. The shimmering is beyond distracting. After messing with all my tv settings I ended up deleting and reinstalling to see if it was an issue with the version. If it turns out that all I had to do was disable hdr then that's pretty funny
So glad I bought a c1 last week for this to happen 😅
@@riktreutmann6530 they just released a hotfix, restart the game twice
Man I need guerilla to use insomniacs temporal anti aliasing solution to get those 60fps mode artifacts in check
Poor performance mode. The sad thing is reviewers are either blind or paid
Now that I've sunk a good few hours into the game, it's not good. Bad, like eye hurting bad I have to turn it off. The graphical glitches, the shimmering and general look of it in either mode makes it borderline unplayable.
Surprised you guys never mentioned it once.
I'm glad they didn't scrap checkerboard resolution. Feels like devs these days don't bother with it and try to hit native resolutions instead.
Definitely gonna play in performance mode. I don't mind a little softness if it means I can play at 60fps
Agreed. CBR is an excellent tool that comes at no cost and works on virtually any hardware. I don't have the knowledge on a per engine implementation. But, more engines should include this. It's really unfortunate that games like DL2 and Guardians of the Galaxy only run at 1080p in performance mode. 4K/60 in every game on current gen just isn't feasible.
And, 1080/60 is insulting. I hope FSR will mature like DLSS did. In the meantime we have dynamic res and cbr to give us the best of both worlds.
But didn't they say you can actually tell the difference between the 2 modes? I'm think playing at 4k30
@@Thedon-xs7ix You can always feel the difference between 30 and 60fps. It really comes down to tolerating 30fps over 60. A willingness to sacrifice precision and performance for visual fidelity. Admittedly, some games can pull off 30fps really well. Spiderman on PS4 felt really great and responsive. So, it's not impossible to enjoy a 30fps experience. ...I'll preface the next part by saying it's definitely not an insult. If you're more of a casual gamer that doesn't care as much about input time, can deal with less precision, and values resolution above fluidity of movement- then go for 30fps. Personally, I think the minor hit in visuals won't be enough to dissuade most people from playing at 60fps.
I think checkerboard rendering at 1800p was a bad idea. It should only ever be used at native res. In this case they should have used temporal upsampling with drs. I suppose that wasn't implemented in the engine though.
@@helloguy8934 Yeah Im not a fan of CBR at all.
Why are you ignoring how bad the performance mode looks? Look around youtube and many people have said that the performance mode is terrible. Are you afraid of your playstation fanbase? God.. stop being bias. Performance mode is a disgrace and is worst than horizon zero down. 30 FPS on action game is unplayable... Very disappointed by the lack of honesty by Digital Foundry when it comes to playstation.
they're afraid of not getting the access they need from Guerrilla Games (I think they've had this before) - I never trust these guys with top tier games let alone Sony exclusives, they have a tendency to gloss over issues...
Hey guys why are you guys silent on the performance mode broken graphics? Weird you guys are normally honest…
The performance mode is horrible, the first game had a much cleaner image!!! How much was Sony paid?
Almost like a kid in a candy store. I find myself often getting hyped to watch a DF Tech review. It can only be credited to a well-scripted, produced, and presented video. Amazing work! GG's guys!
@@ramonandrajo6348 a pity you don't own the console to play it on. You can own both you know that right?
Holy shit! Those vistas are amazing, and how much money did it go into making water so great?! I remember aweing at the water effects in Bioshock (1)... how far have we come
I never got any problem witch Water since realise Horizon 1.
@@KogMawsTvShow Be sure to drink 2 litres of water everyday.
Just you wait for Horizon 3...
One of the best water rendering subsystems I've ever seen in a console game. Makes me want a PS5 again actually. Series X is nice though.
@@JohnSmith-ep1ul What non-console games you know have better water?
Would’ve really preferred native 1440p. I seriously can’t stand the flickering of checkerboard rendering on thin edges - foliage, specifically. Imo, HZD was borderline unplayable below 2160p because of how horrible aliasing looked on grass with its AA implementation basically skipping grass. DLSS has completely fixed that… if only these consoles ran on Nvidia GPUS…
That is the problem with gamers they can't enjoy a game if it doesn't have a lot pixels. I played HZD with an really old TV and to me it looked good. If we keep demanding good graphics we get shitty games.
@@petermolina1317 I half-agree with you. There is a standard for a clean image though pixels aren’t the only means to facilitate that as sharp ≠ clean. So pixel counts, to an extent, are important for that. I personally would never go back to playing a game at 1080p but I’m totally okay with 1440p over 2160p - though I do, absolutely notice the difference, the image is stable and clean enough for it to not really be losing anything, but not have the gains of the extra resolution. I just don’t understand why HFW didn’t go native 1440 with TAA - checkerboard 1800p with virtually no AA looks so much worse.
Can you dig into the noisy grainy issues a lot of people have been reporting? Trying to understand if it’s my TV or that’s just the intended look.
why don't you guys review in detail the performance mode as you usually do??? You used to love 60fps but just brushed it away this time
I know exactly why John didn't focus on it. We all prefer 60, but having tried both on PS5, I can confidently say, Performance Mode in this game is super low-res and muddy. Not worth the trade off like in say.. Ratchet & Clank or Miles Morales. In Forbidden West, it's just.. bad. Waiting for PS5 Pro to replay this game
@@StuartHinckley it’s surprisingly bad. It just looks like a PS4 game with 60fps
All these comments pointing out blatant and obvious issues that DF neglected to mention leading most of us to be hugely dissapointed in visuals, not one reply or video from DF addressing these issues, my confidence in DF has been rocked now and I'm now thinking, like a lot of youtubers, that maybe DF got paid off, if this is the case it will be last time i watch one of their video's, we need more honesty in this industry, not more paid off reviews. 😒
@Transistor Jump They said in the video the day 1 patch improved the game
@Transistor Jump 25:12
@Transistor Jump Ok, thanks for saying that. I dont get what your trying to get at, 1 min you seemed to defend them by saying they reviewed a pre patched game, i shown you they said it was better after the patch, now your saying that everything they say is not true. Thats my point, they have lied and didnt tell us the poor visual defects in the game that many are experiencing.
@Transistor Jump I'm sorry if me saying that upset you, but how else was i to take it? I put a comment, you replied stating it was the day 1 patch that broke the game and they reviewed a pre patched game, if you watched the video instead of assuming you would of known this, as i said, they stated and shown the patch improved it in the video. I didnt say everything they said was false, i said they neglected to point out the obvious bad defects which a lot of people are experiencing.
Why did you guys not mention at all the awful over-sharpened "grainy" look of the game, the AWFUL stuttering when moving the camera in resolution mode on PS5, the "30 FPS" that feels like half that, the weird aliasing issues with foliage (even in resolution mode), and the HDR turning on and off when moving/stopping the camera???
All of these were IMMEDIATELY noticeable upon starting the game on PS5 in resolution mode on a 4K Samsung Q80 TV. It is completely unplayable, compared to say Spiderman Miles Morales in resolution mode. I started playing Horizon and I was like "were the Digital Foundry guys paid off by Sony?" How could you not notice how awful the game looks and give it nothing but praise???
This RUclips video looks great though... 30 FPS looks fine, no HDR issues, no shimmering and aliasing. WTF happened???
Could a day 1 patch have accidentally screwed things up?
Still can't imagine where is reviewers now? Sleeping? No one is talking about this major issue.
All they care about is clicks and monetization because such subject doesn't interest majority of people. Just keep throwing us gameplays, walkthrough and spoilers that's how money is made.
coming back here after Spider-Man 2 and Alan Wake 2..... Man, is Ray Tracing really necessary? Those two games still don't look as good as this and this runs flawlessly WITHOUT FSR or DLSS.
I thankfully got a refund until this is fixed. This is an incredibly misleading video. The performance mode is unplayable. Very disappointed as I trusted you guys for a day one purchase. Please take another look with some more eyes on it this time.
Unplayable oh my could you be more dramatic. Everyone is giving the game 9’s and 10’s. Game is visually superb. Quit nitpicking over every little thing
@@getsuckedd5685 if you are blind or you have an old tv that's another problem
@@getsuckedd5685 you’re replying to every different negative comment on the same issue saying get over it. Maybe there’s a big problem….
This game looks horrible on my lg C1 oled. Not sure if anyone else is having issues as well. Extremely fuzzy and shimmering graphics at 60fps. Zero dawn looks better. Hopefully it’s a bug. I’m playing Ps5 version on performance
DUDE 100% my buddy is clowning me saying there's something wrong with my eyes. i'm on a C8. was super unimpressed. looks so grainy and shimmery. makes me think something is wrong with my tv!
I got last years Sony tv, it’s awful on that too. I have a 1440p monitor that supports a 4K signal and Downsamples to 1440p. I was hoping that would at least look like native 1440p, nope. Looks awful on that too
@@meeee32156 good to know im not crazy! Haha My buddy swears it looks great on his tv. Think he's on samsung
77 inch CX here. Easily looks worse (in either mode) than HZD does on my pc.
@@brianmiller9585 something is definitely off with the graphics on this game. Compared to many other ps5 games that run 60fps (Hitman 3 and AC Valhalla) the fine details are very poor and blurry. Not that impressed
Dear DF, why u tricked people about picture, especially in performance mode? 60 fps mode is totally unplayable on ps5, visual quality is awful: low resolution, dirty and shimmy picture. Game visual is broken now, just go and look thread with 2000+ posts about graphics problems on Reddit. Fidelity mode isn't good too. Thank u for analysis and preorders...
Reddit? Everyone on there is mentally deranged. It looks amazing In performance mode what are you kidding or something?
@@getsuckedd5685 Ahh blind ignorant people everywhere. Performance mode is trash right now and DF did not mention it and false advertised it. It is a gimmick you know that? We all suffer in performance and resolution mode does not matter all the modes are broken and DF did not mention it a bit. Even a tiny bit. The game looks garbage with its poor sharpening filter and bad anti aliasing. Don't ever defend that and try to push devs to fix it!
Nowadays' consumers......
"I don't see that, picture is great" is everywhere on the RUclips and twitter. But we have 2.5k posts on Reddit about same problem - visual is broken. Cmon
@@TuGyy people cry the loudest when it’s a complaint. There are hundreds of thousands of people playing and enjoying the game rn. Looks totally fine
This game would be a great canditate for 4K 40fps mode for those with HDMI 2.1 4K 120Hz capable displays.
performance mode looks god awful
Agreed. I came in dead set on playing performance mode…till I saw it in person
its really bad tbh. i have no idea what they did, either the reconstruction technique is bad or the dynamic scaler, the oversharpening or the antialiasing method.
Performence mode is horrendous, iv tried hgig, dtm, the gane doesnt use the ps5s hdr calibrations at all. And resolution mode looks amazing i just cant play at 30 anymore, feel like im playing rockstar game with those heavy ass controls. As for the game im only in the first main part about to go into the forbidden west... honestly so far its abit shit feels like an expansion so far, same everythings from the movements to the old still jumping and turning. Hopefully when i venture into the forbidden west the look changes because so far like i said it just feel like im in zero dawn
I love how Digital Foundry evolved becoming not only the technical benchmark but also a meritorical benchmark. Listening to John is always a pleasure. Always on point, always calm, always smart and most importantly always objective.
Yeah hes grest to listen to... df before any gane purchase know sad that's how gaming has become tho
The performance mode needs an update big time. The anti aliasing there using is terrible. A lot of shimmering.
Wtf is shimmering?
@@darkhaven9119 Why ask the question when you can look it up yourself? To shine with or reflect a subdued, tremulous light; gleam faintly. to appear to quiver or vibrate in faint light. It took me 10 seconds to find this. You’re welcome.
@@smilemore3181 so I don’t have to waste time looking it up
@@smilemore3181 and thanks bro but yeah I don’t notice or see any of that in performance mode
Lower TV sharpness setting. You have it too high maybe.
Why didn't you guys point out the TERRIBLE color/shimmering/aliasing/HDR/saturation bug? The detail of everything gets brighter when you move and suddenly dims when stopped... MANY people are having these issues in both modes, sadly.
Yes!!! I have this issue and see others talking about it, but I can't see it replicated when I watch any other videos on youtube so I keep thinking it is my tv.
When have their videos been about mentioning bugs that are going to be fixed really quick? They will rarely mention something like that because it is actually the exact opposite of what their videos are suppose to betray. Does nobody actually know the point to their videos.
Gurrella has mastered this game engine...but already looking forward to what they can do with full next gen game design...
Guerrilla...
not much considering the only difference they could have done was add in ray tracing but that's too demanding for this kind of game. PS5 gpu is basically a AMD 6600xt. paired with a ryzen 3700x if you wanna build a PC equivalent. in terms of graphical fidelity this is as good as were gonna get with the hardware inside the PS5 and Series X
I think you will be waiting until the PS6 is almost out >_
@@amunra1743 Gorilla*....
@@matthewjuarbe5826 he's not talking about computer specs or any shit like that he's talking about the actual game engine when they update to the next version of decima engine. And by the way trying to compare any system to any similar computer equivalency is a complete bullshit argument because the way that optimization works computers will always have to be substantially more powerful to keep up with the console output
PLEASE Digital Foundry, make a video about the bad image quality of the performance mode. Media are confusing the "shimmering bug" (which was already fixed) with the shimmering/flickering of the textures in performance mode. This is what thousands of comments in the support threads are all about, but media is writing articles "Everything is OK, bug was fixed". That's not true. There need to be awareness outside of the support threads. This game has the worst image quality (i am not speaking of graphics style here) of all games on PS5 i have seen so far.
@Transistor Jump There is no comment from them. They got silent after the shimmering bug was fixed.
@Transistor Jump They did. Until more and more started complaining about the bad image quality. After that they got silent.
@@MarkusFFFF Well, I’m disappointed as well but it’s the weekend.
Hopefully they can fix it somewhat quick though…
"This game has the worst image quality of all games on PS5 I have seen so far", really? What game has better image quality on the PS5 in your opinion?
@@fugamantew Search it on RUclips, for example "Horizon Forbidden West - Performance Mode is Broken" or read some of the thousands of comments about this in the support threads of the game. Even DF admitted it on Twitter, but they never made a video about it.
Hi DF! I think this could be interesting for you: Channel "Gaming Tech", Video "Horizon Forbidden West - Performance Mode is Broken". A very professional analysis.
It’s really impressive, the potential these devs can squeeze out of the PS4, given how damn good the game looks on that hardware.
Stop being a sheep consumer blinded by marketing and use your brain for once
Yes, this game is amazing
@@MichaelDoesLife maybe elaborate so we can use our BRAINS?
@@MichaelDoesLife What does this even mean?
It means ps5 is being held back by ps4
I'm experiencing shimmering on plants and grass on performance mode. Anyone else?
Everyone is complaining this. And the reviews above they said the game is cool in both modes. Shame on you df.
@@hexrise3569 But I don't know, maybe there are a few people that are experiencing this. Bc I've seen a lot of people that don't have this problems...
@@gatote1819 it depended on your TV. DF and many PS5 owners are playing on very high end TVs and monitors. Since then, they've fixed it
How come you guys don’t touch on how grainy the dynamic resolution looks super grainy in performance mode? Distant objects seem to drop to what looks like 720p sometimes it’s so bad. It gets even worse if you have your console inside a cabinet where it’s running warmer. I placed a small fan near my cabinet to push cool air into it while play and it helped drastically however, there was still very noticeable low resolution being used on background objects. Objects not even that far away maybe 10 meters or so in the background. The game will clearly do whatever it takes to maintain 60fps which I can appreciate but sometimes like it cutscenes it looks so bad that I quickly switch it to resolution mode just to watch the game how it was likely intended. I’m absolutely loving this game but it’s weird I hardly find anyone talking about this at all.
*edit* okay after reading comments below it seems everyone is talking about this lmao.
We need more focus on the god awful shimmering
"Note how this raccoon leaves a trail behind him as he scurries away across this field.
...impressive"
One of the best lines in DF.
"...impressive" - greatest DF compliment
It was impressive tho! Lol
I find myself nodding and smiling as grass is flattened lol
It is impressive but surely not realistic. You won't see trails behind raccons in the wild. You will have a hard time even up close inspecting footprints on soft earth. The effect should be toned down for lighter creatures and perhaps even turned off for really small ones.
Horizon 3 will have unique tracks for different animals so you can learn to be a tracker
"The choice between quality and performance isn't clear cut"
Well it is. Do you want migraine inducing, stuttery, shitty gameplay? Or do you want 60fps?
It’s usually an easy decision like that for me too but this game currently has an issue where smaller details and vegetation look really grainy… especially with the performance mode 😭
So I keep jumping between the two modes but I really despise 30 fps…
The PS5 Performance Mode shimmering is truly horrible!
I don't know why DF didn't put more attention on this issue, it's a big big problem.
Same issue here. Pretty disappointed in DF tbh.
The HDR bug on some setups can amplify the sense of shimmer. It will be patched.
hahaha you are ridiculous, i have this game and looks incredible, stop playing it in youtube.
@@Stephen_Black what exactly looks awful? and how far did you get into the game before stopping due to the awfulness that put you off?
I'm a die hard PC guy... But this... This is STUPID impressive. The last game that blew me away was RDR2 and now it's this game. I look forward to the eventual PC release.
Same bro
At least 2 years from now or more
I must have gotten a beta build, mine doesn't look no where near that especially in preformance mode. The shimmering and grainess or too much for me. Resolution mode looks good until you get into a fight.
Try waiting for an update. Shimmering should get fixed but idk about the graphics getting an upgrade in 60.
30fps is always going to look better with half the frames only being rendered, doubling the performance
Check out the last video I posted on my channel, this is a shame! The graphics is horrible in performance mode, in resolution mode it is better, but far from ideal.
Does this video mention the grainy and shimmery presentation in performance mode?
Nope they covered it up disgraceful
@@Lonewolf.wildcamping damn. That's really disappointing. I thought this channel has some integrity
@@SpartanG087 nope they only quietly admitted on twitter two days after millions of copies were sold.
I didn't want the video to end. The game looks stunning! Great Job, John and DF team.
I want a 2 hour review by John of this game bad. This was amazing though.
I love these guys but no no no no. you mean "Great Job Guerilla Games studio and Sony Interactive" for perfectly utilizing their Decima Engine and create an amazing game on top of it.
@@subservient8 Of course! We wouldn't have Horizon if it wasn't for the talents of Guerilla Games.
To think these visuals are been produced so early in the PS5’s life is astonishing.I think this is what Mark Cerny was aiming for when designing the PS5 architecture.I love attention to detail in games and this is just remarkable.What a talented dev team these guy’s are .
It's a bit of a shame there's not been much since..
@@alistaircraig7849 totally agree.Wish Naughty Dog do something new instead of revamping old games.
💯.Wish Naughty Dog would do a new genre instead of constantly remaking their old games.There were rumours about a fantasy game but nothing has been heard since.Please Sony get the big hitters do something new.
ive heard 30 fps mode is almost uplayable on oleds.....stuttering is awful.
I can’t speak for others, but I’m playing on a LG C1 and having zero issues in resolution mode.
Playing on a CX, not seeing this problem thank god.
If you will disable motion blur it's stuttering hell. With motion blur it's okish, but not good.
Players that don't have any stuttering are probably not using the gaming mode on the TV and accepting laggy controls and artefacts.
I just bought the game and I'm honestly upset with you guys. You are usually highly objective about analysis and based on this video, I was going to happily play performance mode like I usually do. However, from the very beginning stage, I noticed how horrid performance mode looked. It isn't even remotely as crisp as the original HZD on PS5. Then I came across the blight effect on the red vegetation. It looked horrid, absolutely horrid. Like PS1 era particle effects. I was very surprised you guys didn't use this as a comparison between the two modes. Normally you would point out something so obvious like that. No two ways about it, HFW's performance mode is very unoptimized. For the first time ever, I'm playing this game in quality mode as a result. They really need to improve the anti-aliasing in the perf mode.
This digital foundry video is a disgrace. They love to zoom in to find problems, but here they haven't talked about how horrible the performance mode is. Sometimes it looks like a PS3 game adapted for PS5.
@@Rafaellk07 right? So I'm not being crazy. I couldn't believe DF didn't mention the severity of the difference. No way they missed it either. Especially that blight effect, I mean it's in the very first moments of the game. Aloy even has to take time to examine it. This is very unlike DF. I hope they aren't becoming like other channels who are biased due to receiving free copies of the game.
Search for this: Channel "Gaming Tech", Video "Horizon Forbidden West - Performance Mode is Broken". The first really professional analysis of this topic.
Or hdtvtest has a video on it too
Was waiting for them to mention the drastic difference, but he never got to it. I completely agree. Performance mode is unoptomized and imo unplayable.
performance mode looks like trash on a 4k display, disappointing tech review, it looks like 1080p, not 1800p as mentioned in the video
The game has huge graphical issues in both modes....seems a bit dodgy how you guys mentioned none of it in this video. Can we get a reply from you guys? Not implying sony paid you off or anything of the like...just seems hugely misleading from you guys.
Bought the game and regretted it! Freakin DF lost my trust!
Hi John. Did you have a different version than what we all are playing on now? With performance mode and even fidelity, there is god awful shimmering that is so distracting an nauseating, making it unplayable. Would love for you guys to revisit this as your voices/expertise on the matter would help in getting this “glaring” problem addressed by Guerrilla faster.
I play it on my oled lg c1 TV, with vrr on, and the shimmering is gone. Vrr is a must 👌
Make sure if you've resumed a game, you then restart it twice -- in order to apply yesterday's new Hotfix addressing shimmer.
@@griffgames9538 that doesn’t seem to work. Still horrific graininess. Something I’m not seeing in review footage the past week. Something must have changed or it’s just so much foliage/detail that just exacberates the issue. Playing on both a 4K HDR (lcd) and 1080p non-HDR Sony set.
@@diocub4022 PS5 doesn’t support VRR.
@@diocub4022 there’s no VRR on PS5. And not only does the image shimmer even on fidelity mode, it looks like sharpness is jacked up to 11 making the whole image look kind of shit. This is with sharpness on my C1 at 0 without super resolution and any other image-altering video settings disabled
Resolution Mode is next gen in case of particles yes. But 30 fps is old gen for me.
However performance mode has huge graphical issues. Every particle or other fine detail especially in vegetation is flickering and shimmering like nothing else i've ever see on ps5. Bad upscaling, checkerboarding or anti-aliasing I suggest.
Yeah John the 60 fps mode is stable but on what cost?
I would be happy to play the ps4 pro version of the game via backward compatibility on 60 fps on ps5.
Hopefully guerrilla will patch this.
Currently i can not enjoying the game because since i got my ps5 i'm so used to play every game in 60 fps.
I don't know why John or other reviewers doesn't say any word about this.
My question then is why does it look good in these videos but bad on my TV?! 😫😫😫
@@fenixa2z936 Because of youtube's video compression. Also the video is not in HDR.
John Linneman says it himself in the other video about HFW. You have to download the video on digital foundrys website to see everything/more.
However to download it you have to become official member/supporter of DF and that cost 5$ a month or so.
@@tatamaka3 Umm, I think you misunderstood.
He is saying the RUclips video (compressed) looks better than when he is playing it for real on his TV 😅
@@sKullkidi no it's the same for me.
RUclips video's of HFW looks great.
But the real game in performance mode looks not that good.
@@fenixa2z936 Because you have to upgrade your CRT TV 😂
200lb raccoon. Just saying. A raccoon, or any other animal really, will not deform grass like that, unless it weighs 200lbs or more.
That raccoon is a lawnmower.
😂
Very true. I thought the same thing when I saw that. Not realistic at all. That was just Guerrilla Games showing off.🤣
Man these playstation exclusives always look beautiful compared to most other cross platform games.
This game looks incredibly beautiful as I watch this video on my phone. I can’t wait to see what it looks like on my OLED on Friday! Absolutely gorgeous!
Same feeling with my Quantum dot tv. The HDR is about to be amazing. Horizon 1 had some great HDR and I know they topped it with this
Enjoy , I’m holding out for a ps5 slim I definitely be playing this when I get
🔥
@@jayh1246 My prediction is 2024 for PS5 slim.
Amen brother
Why 60 FPS mode looks so blurry even at 1800p? I suspect there is a double scaling in place here. One resolution scaling with resolution with a range for example 720p minimum 1080p max, and a secondary fixed scaling (checkboard reandering) that boost the image to 1800p.
It's just bad. Resolution Mode is a must until PS5 Pro
@@StuartHinckley i ended playing the game at 60fps by the way. Much more enjoyable, despite some scenes looks horrible
@@nicolagiampellegrini3411 Some PS5 games, I have completed in both modes. Someday we won't have to choose. Or it will be 60 vs 120
Well done John and Digital Foundry team! Your Tech Reviews continue to impress. Not just from an gamer perspective, but attention given to what makes the game itself, is a great acknowledgement to the development team. It recognizes their hard work and effort put into such a project. This really appeals to multiple audiences. A real treat for the eyes and ears. Keep up the excellent work!!!
What mospen said 👍
@@ramonandrajo6348 looks like Tomb raider with robots to me and abit of fortnite
@@ramonandrajo6348 It is not
I have a really big feeling that Sony payed DF off to not point out how bad the 60fps mode truly is on this game. The performance mode has a pixelated blurry look that should of been pointed out in this video but isn’t. It clearly is a 1080p image scaled to 1800p using checkerboard rendering that makes it look like a mess. I do not recommend performance mode at all! Maybe on a 2nd playthrough after you’ve experienced the game but as a first impression its so bad!
I don't think so, df clearly said that he played the game in resolution mode so maybe he missed out what you are pointing out because he doesn't use the performance mode enough, or maybe is just a bug or an issue that will be patched and not everyone had.
Yea it’s pretty bad I have never played a game before with such bad graphic quality in performance mode, and that is the mode I prefer.
I purchased HFW based on these guys technical analysis. Gotta say, super disappointed & feel like I've been deceived. Playing this on a LG C1 and the graphics are just atrocious. Resolution mode looks a lot better but than the framerate is just hard to get used to. It's 2022 FFS, games shouldn't ship in 30 fps. Not trying to be a snob or anything, but games like Uncharted, GOT, Rift Apart, TLOU2 just to name a few had better upscaling methods than this game. They look a lot cleaner without taking a hit to image quality. DF should've mentioned the issues with performance mode. Will be taking their future technical analysis with a huge grain of salt from now on.
Couldn't agree more, they must of known yet neglected to say anything, paid for im guessing. As you say, my opinion and trust in them has been shaken massively from this. Lets hope the patch the devs are working on will improve the games visuals. If it does, im looking forward to DF's analysis of the patch. I wonder how they will talk about improvements when they already said such high things about it with zero mention of any defects that every day gamers spotted immediately.
Single player game, who cares if it's 60 or 30? I don't.
If you want to whine, PC gaming is right over ---> this way.
Leave single player games content with beautiful graphics, stable 30.
Bye.
People tend to think things look fairly similar when the art direction and general design is similar, but these are some very substantial improvements that to me result in a much more beautiful and convincing world to explore.
Yes the game looks great no doubt but you can definitely tell it’s cross gen roots. It’s not as big of a jump than what FH5 was over FH4 and it’s not as impressive as Hellblade 2. Hellblade 2 is the most visually stunning game to date in the video game world followed by Flight Sim and FH5 with HFW and Ratchet n Clank bringing up the rear.
@@gamerbum9350 Hellblade 2 is not even out yet...
@@sandman1347
So what! Doesn’t matter. It’s still the best looking game ever at this point in time. The graphics are phenomenal.
@@gamerbum9350 So what, you say? The game isn't out buddy. You don't know what the actual game will look like. How many times have we seen trailers that look amazing and then a massive drop off in the actual release version of the game? When will people learn?
@@gamerbum9350 there hasn’t been a single gameplay trailer for hell blade yet so your making no sense
Im at a point in gaming where I'm as excited for the DF review as I am for actually playing the game. Shining a light on the art direction and in depth analysis of the game engine gives me a greater appreciation for the game and in many cases elevates my experience when playing.
👍🏽
Totally true for me too. Call me lazy, but if a game that DF doesn't cover gives me the choice of performance, RT, or resolution modes, I'll usually just pick resolution and run through the game since I find it's usually a consistent choice and I don't mind 30fps too much. DF is awesome because instead of having to switch between modes (which often involves restarting a game to some degree) and look for the small details early on, I can find out my preferred option before it's even installed. And like you said, it actively makes the experience more fun for me when I understand how impressive it is under the hood and can spot the little things.
@@ramonandrajo6348 a pity you can't play it on your console of choice
Great job avoiding the performance mode, and steering the conversation around it. My respect for this site has gone down. This used to be the end all be all of performance reviews, you dropped the ball. Shame, shame
Oh no they’re so sad that you’re respect went down. Well mine went up, guess it’s a wash 🤷♂️
Why don’t you mention all the bugs? I’m very confused as isn’t that what DF is supposed to do?? Now it just looks like your biast. Df only gives feedback on glitches when it want to.
Crybaby
To Digital Foundry Staff: like all of us, I love your technical breakdown videos… they are an incredible resource to me as a gamer. That said, I do want to raise a constructive criticism: is it possible your credibility is in question when you consider Horizon Forbidden West a master class in graphics when Performance mode is clearly very blurry, and many, many people are reporting serious blurriness / anti-aliasing issues with leaves, foliage, grass, etc.? This is especially proven as true when compared to Horizon Zero Dawn, or Ghost of Tsushima. Neither of these similarly structured games, (while one is from the same developer!), are currently having these issues. What are your thoughts on this? Thank you for your consideration!
They lied in this video or they played another version. I'm playing from PS5 and I'm really disappointed with the graphics.
@Transistor Jump This is just a hypothesis created by the players, but I hope it's right.
This comment shoud be at the top
@@hexrise3569 Thank you for your kind words here! I don’t mean to beat on Digital Foundry’s staff at all. I hope it didn’t come across that way. Instead, I am really just asking if they really sat squarely with the performance mode and truly evaluated its performance. It seems like there are thousands of players who report that performance mode is really, really fuzzy and blurry, and virtually unplayable…which is the experience I am having.
I beleive you. So please believe me, because honestly, I don't have any of the issues you mentioned.
They patched yesterday. How does it look now?
You guys at DF did a terrible job with this particular analysis. How did you forget to tell the consumers of the shimmering and anti-aliasing issues on PS5 performance mode? Quite disappointed in the dishonesty in this analysis.
Amen!!!!
Yup I’m goin to unsubscribe to them. Y’all join me?
Played this game with a friend last night on his PS5 and on a B9 OLED and i have to say that the performance mode had a really bad image quality when it came to mid distance vegetation, it was everything so noisy, it was incredibly bad i have to say and its a massive shame because thats a huge visual aspect of the game. I have no idea what Guerilla was thinking. If i look at other open world cross gen 60fps modes, they are much much cleaner image quality wise. Also the game appears to me oversharpened and it had nothing to do with the TV or PS settings. The HDR implementation also seemed somewhat off with blown out highlights and color saturation seemed to me also a tad much.
Again, its a shame because if these areas would be fixed the game would truly shine, you can see how incredible it can look. But these aspects drag the image quality down massively.
yes! the oversharpness is exactly what i'm seeing. along with the grainy/shimmer. i hate that sharp look. reminds me of ghost recon games. just too crisp and grainy.
Exactly what me and others experience as well. Wonder why this is not an issue here for @digitalfoundry
@@StuggiSuzi because John loves 30fps motion blur modes and played it mostly like this.
@@th3orist i just find it weird that there hasn't been much talk about it. or at least, in the reviews at and just before launch, it was all about how amazing the game looks. so when i threw it on, i thought something was wrong with my machine/tv. granted i can see it definitely is an awesome looking game. but the artifacting, some grainy textures and blurriness in performance mode should have at least been a big talking point. definitely not nearly as crisp as the first one back compat 60fps.
Some people are complaining about the gamma as ginger and hurting eyes 👀
I wanted to make it clear that the blurry and grainy image problem is present in both game modes!! In performance mode it is very visible, in resolution mode it gives an improvement, but it is still there! In some situations the effect is simply terrible and even occurs with the game paused!! Also the game seems to have a horrible saturation filter that forces players to fiddle with the TV settings to alleviate the problem!!
The first game had a much cleaner and nicer image, I'm scared by the low quality of the game on PS5!!! This video is a joke, sometimes they zoom in to find faults and here they didn't say anything???
"I'm scared by the low quality of the game on PS5" - You're telling this game is LOW Quality? im sorry, but maybe you need glasses. Sounds like you need an eye transplant, shame.
Sometimes they zoom in to find faults and here they didn't say anything??? - They zoomed in MULTIPLE times, and it looks detailed as fuck. This hyperbole is ridiculous
@@frankvandermerwe1487 you dont get the point dude,image quality is actually bad. Its 1800p but image quality is terrible somehow maybe bad aa
@@arnabsaha8761 O ok, dude
I Agree with this, the image is pretty terrible with all the shimmering and fuzziness in 60 fps mode. However it's a good trade off if you have a qled tv as 30 fps is quite sickening in motion. I think it would have looked better if they stuck 1440p rather than 1800p checkerboard. It make it look like there's no anti aliasing applied.
I have it on PS5 and it doesn’t look amazing, it’s good but nothing incredible. It looks like HDR photography with everything turned up and with peculiar non directional lighting on the main characters so they look like they are running around on green screens. Red dead redemption on PS4 pro and the Last of Us 2 as well as in many respects the last Tomb Raider game and God of War look equally aa good. Next gen still hasn’t really arrived yet.
i'd argue God of War and Uncharted 4 remastered on the PS5 look miles better than this. Heck even Zero Dawn's performance mode looks better
@@zaydalam4905 the cut scenes in this are very very good but is this what is making next generation games rather than the in-game. It feels like a movie in the cut scenes.
I am obsessed with this game. I avoided all media on it as I loved HZD so much. This game is just next level amazing, I cannot stop playing it.
Same. I avoided everything until completion. Loved it
How was nothing said about the horrible jaggied and pixelation in the performance mode… it’d jarring
They did mention it and recommended the resolution mode in fact
anyone else play yet (ps5) and was a little shocked at how grainy/shimmery everything is? performance mode more prominent. doesn't seem to have that smooth crispness of the old one. or something like Ghosts of Tsushima or Kena. if this is devs' new technique to "push pixels", i don't like it.
Yes, I get the same feeling that the first game with 1800p looked a lot crisper than performance mode here
@@RussianXboy wonder if they can "fix" it?? Hopefully this isn't some dev technique that will dominate this generation.
Yeah I was pretty surprised John Linneman and Digital Foundry lied to us so blatantly.
This game has serious anti aliassing problem which is even more evident in Performance mode. And the fact there is no comment on that is somewhat surprising...
I antialiasing and see it on my monitor on performance mode, and on resolution mode It doesn't look noticeable. Playing the ps5 on my OLED TV the antiaalisasing in performance mode dissapears. I don't understand how that works.
There was a comment. Did you even watch the Video? Checkerboarding Artefacts are the Problem Here.
@@UXGReal92 it's antialiasing related issue, he is not meaning checkerboard artifacts.
@@hexrise3569 oh okay
Unfortunately all the people playing performance mode are having the opposite impressions as those who prefer fidelity. So I think this guy's preference for fidelity mode skews the review abit.
This game shouldn't be played in Performance Mode ... Full Stop.
Shrugging off 60fps and failing to report widespread issues… I hope you guys do a follow-up video to explain. People feel misled.
What issues?
Because we were misled. See John Linneman's tweet about the image quality not being great and the picture being very noisy on performance mode the day after launch when we had already blown $60 on the game. Would have been nice if he included that in his video instead of calling it a PS5 Graphics Masterclass. What a joke this channel is.
The misleading was intentional. DF have clearly been bought out.
You guys honestly didn’t have any performance issues on Resolution mode? On PS5 I feel like mine is running at 15-20fps constantly, it doesn’t feel smooth at all. (But I could just be so used to 60fps)
Have doubt on 30 fps too. It looks like it varies between 20 and 30
@@hexrise3569 nope solid 30fps on ps5 Res mod
You guys lied to the people. Forbidden west runs horrible on the ps5 in graphics mode. It’s less than 30 fps and in performance mode there is so many problems I would have never bought it. But you guys got paid buy taming to lie to us. I personally am disappointed In you digital foundry
Digital foundry is bias 31 minutes and not one mention of the problems OLED gamers are experiencing with this game
It's not just on OLED. I've tested it on three different televisions and they all have the same problems.
This has to be one of the most visually impressive games ever created... seriously, seriously impressive
Edit: emphasis on ONE OF, for those who seem not to get what that means! 😅
And its even crossgen, not using the full ps5 power
Have you heard of Forza Horizon?
@@Fox_H96 This looks quite a bit better than Forza. Even then, one can still think both are some of the most visually impressive games. Sound like some cringe fanboyism to me.
@@Fox_H96 haha 😄😆 forza really!!!
@@Fox_H96 comparing a racing game to a open world 🤦♂️
After getting used to the smoothness of 60 fps in performance mode is hard to deal with 30 fps, but the 4k 30fps in forbidden west looks so much sharper. I’m gonna have to play in fidelity mode this time with this game 🔥
30 fps makes me feel motion sick if I sick close to my 55 inch 4K LED TV but 60 fps feels and looks great. I play my PS5 games at fidelity/30fps when sitting far and performance/60fps when sitting close.
@@maxsun13 I sit 15 feet away from my oled 4k 65’, sitting close is just too much.
You can always explore in resolution mode and fight bosses in performance mode. 🤙🏼
@@maxsun13 That’s the dumbest shit I have read on the internet in my entire life. 🤦♂️
@@iwasright9686 to each their own bro 😂
Performance mode has a shimmer and loads of pop in. Still a great game but cant play it on 30fps mode as hurts my eyes
The res mode is bad imo. It may look slightly better but the 30fps has a huge negative impact on not just fluidity of the game but the visual side as well, it looks jittery and bad, like its in slow motion. Sorry but no one should be picking it over the 60 fps mode. Unless you plan on standing still and not actually playing the game because as soon as you do it's an awful experience in res mode completely negating the any advantages those modes have. It's time to bin them off.
@Transistor Jump Not trolling, higher standards. 30fps is bad for gaming. It needs to be left behind. This game is a fine example. People saying it looks better in 30fps. It doesn't its demolished as soon as you start moving and playing by a jittery visual blurry mess and sluggish camera movement. Completely negates any benefit a "res" mode gives. I strongly believe if you are picking 30 over 60 now a days you need to just stop gaming because you clearly don't like playing games otherwise you'd play it in the mode that feels 1000000x better to play.
@Transistor Jump smooth brain is it
Performance mode isn't working so well either everything seems grainy and odd
@@UnderWarranty no issue with that on my end. Looks great just not as crisp as the res mode when youre standing still.
I'm really struggling to choose between resolution and performance, coming from zero dawn with 60 fps update, to this and it looking more shimmery in cutscenes or grass parts etc but the quality mode looks so dam nice... But 30 fps sucks for combat !
If it was a dedicated ps5 game maybe th8ngs would be different… this is just a PS4 game with a few improvements..certainly not the graphical masterpiece they’re all harping on about
@@flappospammo It is though. The amount of detail is incredible. Its drop dead gorgeous. The only thing keeping it back is the shit AA. Once they fix that......
Having beaten HZD multiple times on a normal PS4 and currently playing on Hard, and playing HZW on normal, all I can say is you need to practice. :)
Play in Resolution Mode and enjoy the game. We're not getting true 4K60 until PS5 Pro. We all need to accept that
DF you cheated us!! From now on, you are simply not reliable🤷🏽♂️ You made a huge huge mistake!!
There've been so many people reporting significant shimmering and noisiness in the performance mode yet it doesn't seem emphasised in this video at all. It's weird.
Edit: Guerrilla have acknowledged the issue on the horizon subreddit
Dude I get in the first minutes of the games glitches of the cutscenes where there is invisible buildings. Damn one thing is gameplay but cutscenes
It's terrible .. The performance mode.. My god! the static picture quality made up of the resolution and anti-aliasing, is very blurry with noisy shimmering artifacts..
At times performance mode looks like 720p.. And not a good one at that..! I'm being dead serious, 1080p in other games has looked better than HFW.
Going back into horizon zero Dawn you get that crystal clear 2160p at dead locked 60fps, and it really does look far superior..
They crammed way to much object detail, density and effects into the forbidden West and was forced to compromise greatly on picture quality (resolution/AA) in order to maintain 60fps
The result is an inferior fidelity as compared to what they released 5 years ago.. Amateurs!!
And these Sony shills at DF is turning a blind eye, unsubbed!!
@@Lasse3 So many things wrong with this game and all the reviewers are part of the problem. Just to get some extra money and more views. Sadly nowadays we see less and less reviews that are completely objective and more and more games realesing without being complete. That is why this market is going down one day and I will be glad if it happens we need the product we buy completely functional not incomplete and wait a couple months to finally have it functional.
@@Lasse3
You won't be missed
@@petermolina1317
You are vastly exaggerating in case of Forbiden West