This is obviously supposed to be a fun test, not a scientific investigation. I thought it would be fun to highlight the difference between a really thirsty old supercar and a modern electric! The difference is quite startling but I am not trying to prove a point or make any particular statement about petrol cars Vs electric. Hope you enjoyed it!!
The main point I’d make Jack, is that you are comparing a 1980’s supercar’s energy consumption with that of a more or less contemporary city EV. I realise that the exercise was never intended to be scientific as such, but I think a much more interesting comparison would be between the i3 and, say, an Audi A2 Tdi.
You need to add to the numbers how much Coal has to burned for the EV to get it's power and what kind of impact it will have on the Environment. And then you need to add the range for both and then double the amount if the EV needs to be recharged to equal the range of the ICEV. And then there is a 6%, (I think.) energy loss per charge due to the electricity having to be brought to the car.
Oh Lord: here is where you discover that there is a ton of crud in the bottom of the Influenzo’s petrol tank and the carbs are now blocked …. here we go again :)
Just look at that Ferrari. I don't like modern Ferraris one bit but that 70s styling is absolutely blissful. For me that era was the greatest ever in automotive styling.
Never saw any higher than 3rd, where as the i3 was holding a steady 40 on a more consistent road. Obviously we could pick holes with this test. But let's not forget these cars are chalk and cheese
My mate has a 2014 Passat 2.0 TDi and on a steady motorway run recently attained 71mpg without the worry of whether he will find an operational charging station when he runs low. EV is still not an option for me given the cost to buy and reliable range limits.
I'm a petrol guy all the way, but people arguing "range limits" these days just sound stubborn & supercilious to me, unless they can give a specific example of how & why. The thing is that with an electric car you are starting off every day with a full tank. Bog standard Tesla 3 has a range of 278 miles - that's London to Newcastle-on-Tyne. How often does a normal driver drive that far? At over 5 hours drive time I hope you have a break - stretch your legs & have a sandwich & ta-dah! another 200 miles of range in 20 minutes. So London to York & back is entirely feasible with one stop at a supercharger. 8 hours of driving. Maybe you need to go 10 minutes out of your way to find a charger? Maybe you need to wait 10 minutes for one to come free? I'm going to stop for something to eat at least once on an 8 hour drive anyway, so maximum it will add another 20ish minutes on to the journey - that's entirely within the effects that a little bit of traffic would have, so is in reality insignificant. How often would a normal driver undertake a journey such as this? Once a month? Once a year? Never? I'd imagine that less than 1% of road miles are on journeys that long or longer so the argument of "range limits" is actually justified for a teeeny tiny percentage of drivers in reality.
@@alexfrance500 But not many people can afford a Tesla 3. For a daily driver mu Mrs has a 1.0, 3 cylinder Seat Ibiza. We rarely get less than 55mpg, and often get 60+. I paid just 6K for it on a 2016 registration, and it costs £30 a year to tax. Even that i3 is expensive in comparison. I think my Seat is cheaper to run overall.
@@alexfrance500 Given that fully electric vehicles have big batteries, and big batteries are manufactured in a way that produces a lot of CO2, and at least 70% of the electric you use to charge it is coal/oil based, any fully electric car with a range over 200 miles is worse for the environment than a conventional car, over the expected 180,000 mile lifetime of the vehicle. So the more important question is: Why not just by a hybrid and have the extended range when you need it, and be greener that both conventional AND long-range fully electric vehicles?
They burn coal in a power station to make that electricity. So which was worse for the environment? Keeping an old car going or making a new car from rare earth minerals and powering it on coal? Answer is you need to do 40k miles in the bmw before you pay back the carbon deficits.
A more interesting test would be to take £10 of fossil fuel at cost (no tax or vat) and £10 of electricity at cost (no tax or vat) and then calculate again. Once we’ve converted to battery power the Government are going to have to collect the same duty per mile as fossil fuel.
Hence the home SmartMeter campaign they’ve been so desperately pushing. This snooping technology will enable them to “see” exactly what you’ve been using your domestic electricity on and enable specific taxing for specific uses...
I like this idea, fill up both with £10 of untaxed fuel and electric and try again 👍 As with VED ,(changed in 2017 as to many cars were £0, £20 and £30 per year) the government of the day will do their maths and change the goal posts to suite them,not us.
Interesting stuff Jack!...I think the BMW won because of being lighter in weight than the Influenzo, I mean everyone knows £10 of electricity is much lighter the £10 of petrol 🤔😉😂
Great Video Jack! I was surprised the 308 went also, especially with you having your foot in it more than once. I wonder if you babied it with very un-aggressive driving, you could squeeze out a few more KM/s?
This is an interesting start. I liked the approach - draining the petrol car and pegging the EV to a %age. I'd be very interested to see the same comparison with the i3 vs a modern IC supermini with the same kind of performance, space, practicality, etc as the i3. Something like a Skoda Fabia or Ford Fiesta.
Jack, that was a great insight to the cost of going electric, and very helpful, I did notice you used a range extender version of the i3, which will negate any range anxiety, In really enjoy your consumer road test content. Thanks.
Yes it's only one thing, not the cost to the environment of manufacturing a new ev, plus child labour mining the cobolt, in the mile journey to pick up my daughter I had three thumbs up and four "nice car" s, I much prefer that than some anonymous soulless white box, but I always appreciate your content
Clever! Its a very "chalk and cheese" vehicle comparison, but it gives a lot of pause to think about in terms of practicality and efficiency, if those are one's interest. I can't imagine a Ferrari 308 as a daily driver throughout the entire year where I live, and more as occasional weekend trip or Summer run, whereas for ease of use on a daily basis, the BMW (although not my cup of tea) is eminently more useful for my purposes. Thanks!
I just calculated that my 2.0 litre petrol car would go 54 miles on £10 of petrol. I used to have a diesel car which would have equalled the range / fuel cost of the I3. (I realise this is using a costly charging point , but there’s still many of us for whom home charging isn’t possible just yet.) Would be interested to add something like a Toyota Yaris hybrid into the comparison.
My Pug 306 TDLX does 56 mpg, all local driving. I rarely go further than a round trip of 12 miles for shopping, so it's pretty good. The sole downside is the road tax reminder I received just this morning, an extra tenner since last year, now being £295 per year.
I recently got over 80mpg driving the Mazda 2 Hybrid around town (same as the Yaris), at £1.90 per litre that would be about 94 miles on £10 of petrol.
Yeah at 59p that ain't cheap to run. The Yaris might even win that one. I pay between 0 and 8.5 unless I'm on a long run and have to use public chargers.
@@ConquerDriving around town you get a lot of energy back with hybrid, the full electric car does too. I'd expect the i3 to go even further then. Heating in winter is the biggest problem, there is no excess heat from burning stuff to keep the cabin warm and comfy :D
.... All ev's are gonna be costly to charge... Even at home... Look at the rate Energy prices are rocketing, just as bad as petrol, if not more so..... And that's for that absolute minority who can charge at home..... A decent home charger takes over 12 hours to charge 80%....a standard wall socket 2 DAYS 🤣🤣
You missed a trick by not doing a drag race between them. I think it would be really close, the i3 might even have sneaked a win! By the way, at the 7.5p/kWh off peak rate which Octopus energy offer on their Go tariff, 16.9kWh would've cost £1.27 and would've taken about 2.5hrs to charge up.
Missing the whole point that electric cars carbon footprint is much worse than an ICE until it’s covered around 60, 000miles. Just ask Volvo. Also come October electricity costs at home will be perhaps 35 pence k/w. Also no consideration about how dirty the electricity that is being produced to recharge the car. This varies between counties but certainly isn’t green. Electric cars are just another scam that people are falling for. Keep what you have as it’s far better to keep and repair than produce something new. Synthetic fuels and hydrogen will be the fuels of the future not battery.
I know that brewery! One of my favourite lockdown memories is popping down to pick up my prepaid order of ales, and finding stacks of beers lined up in a shed, each with a name scrawled on it: you just found your own and took it. It's lovely living with honest people...
@@Lemma01 The product at these places is worthless because ingredients and methods aren't regulated. People just go there for the ride/drive out to the countryside. The petrol for these little trips costs much more than plastic bottles of Strongbow from the supermarket. Mix that Strongbow with some cheap lager, and you've got something that in many cases tastes better than these dry-hopped craft ales. But that's not what it's about - just about going out to see the villages and c countryside, and deal with nice country people.
Very interesting video, Jack. I was not surprised at the result-the i3 has a lot of advantages that add up to its high efficiency. It is, of course much more advanced in terms of aerodynamics and low rolling resistance tire technology. And of course it can recapture energy during braking, whereas the 308 cannot. Finally, the i3 isn’t wasting much energy in the form of rejected heat like its IC-engined competitor.
Sadly from 2030 on all combustion cars including classics will be banned from public streets in entire EU and Scandinavia :-( In Germany the Green Peoples Party gave order to shorten fuel supply from 2025 on by reducing all conventional fuel stations to only one state operated central gas station per city or county. Now they even want to slow down all the gas pumps from 20 litre per minute to 2 litre per minute...From 2027 on in the EU certain car spare parts will be banned too....as exhaust systems, turbo chargers and even some engine and gearbox oils...California and New York will do the same from 2027 on.... So no investments should be done in oil burning cars any longer....They even created a new kind of crime here, called emissions and smoke crime. :-(
When the 308 ran out of fuel pointed to a significant issue, When you can take the energy to the car and not the car to the energy then Electric cars might become useful.
My petrol golf estate 1.5 turbo will do 70 miles (60mpg) on motorway (at 65), about 52 miles (45mpg) on country roads and only 40 miles (35mpg) in busy town traffic. So heavily dependent on speed and traffic conditions. Very economical at constant speed. Less so under acceleration. I think that's how these turbos work. You get the power/torque of a 2.0 but the economy of a 1.4 on a cruise but under acceleration the economy is more like a 2.0 especially in the first 3 gears. Get it in 7th however and it's as economical as my previous 1.6tdi diesel. 57mpg at 70mph ain't bad for a petrol estate. That said it varies hugely between cars. I had an Alfa MiTo diesel that would do 60 on a run and just 27 in town but my last Leon 1.6tdi did 45 in town and 55 on a run, this 1.5t petrol golf estate does 35 in town and 57 on a run.
Fun video. Charging at home in the daytime may be half the cost of the public charger but at night its a fraction of the cost with a certain provider. I own a 1981 Corvette and a Tesla Model 3sr+, it sure is painful filling the Vette when the Tesla fuel is as good as free.
Fun idea. I'm pretty sure £10 worth of solar off my roof would get my i3 about several thousand miles though ;) And even charging on cheap rate at night is something like 400 miles for £10. Not relevant for long trips of course where you have to get the pricey stuff. That exhaust off the Ferrari is absolutely disgusting! But the gearbox did sound super sweet.
@@RockyRacoon66 Well, I get more than I know what to do with in the summer. Letting it go to the grid now as I’ve filled up both cars but you’re right in the winter. Get a dribble. Off-peak charging is still cheap (approx 20% of that rapid) but not zero.
Couldn't believe it to see that 5L can and equate it to £10 worth of petrol. It's appalling what has happened to our country and others in Europe who also have extortionate fuel prices. But that's what we get when we just roll over and accept it "well that's just the way it is". The Americans on the other hand won't rest until theirs is brought back down, and it will be. The best we can hope for by comparison is petrol not being totally banned in the next 10 years. What a world.
I disagree, im a car enthusiast too (sadly no Ferrari in my stable…but Honda S2000, Mazda Miata NB, Porsche Cayenne and BMW i3). The i3 is amazing fun to drive and uber practical around town. I agree its styling could be considered clownish, especially from the rear end however its excellent in so many other ways… i love it
This test plays into the hands of the electric car. It's was up against a very old v8 petrol on roads that are not best for fuel consumption in a petrol car. If it was mid winter on a cold day, and you did the test on a motorway, the electric car would fail dismally. I have nothing against electric cars, but I do lots of motorway driving and can't charge at home. It would be impossible for me to run an electric car. Electric cars are not solving the eco problem. It just hides it better. Its kind of like brushing it under the carpet out of site out of mind environmental damage.
Did you start off at Hooky brewery? Interesting video; two cars are poles apart. Personally I’m a big fan if the i3, it was just ahead of its time and it’s a shame BMW didn’t develop it further. Edit: saw the thanks to the Brewery at the end. I have family down the road so try and grab a few cases when we visit.
The problem is I guarantee you electricity costs will sky rocket once electric cars become the norm. Right now it's kept relatively low because of low demand and to increase interest. Same as diesel used to be cheaper than petrol, until everyone bought diesels and suddenly it became more expensive!
As an ev owner who has always had petrol and diesel before I can tell you if you are smart you can charge at a fraction of the cost. Don’t use rapids unless you have to. The future of energy in my opinion is gonna be self sufficiency. Simple as that. You put in solar panels and we find new ways to create your own electricity without relying on government or companies. Food may go the same way too who knows
Here's a suggestion. Try comparing a 308 electric conversion with the original. The i3 is optimized to be efficient whereas the e308 would share the same compromises ice power unit excepted.
Nothing like Evs now. Most ev drivers charge at home on overnight rates. My 2018 leaf charges full 150/160 miles for me £3.75 on my home tariff and that’s not even the most efficient car.
@@tekinmustafamusic6223 I agree but, however you look at it, to compare the two is absurd. The i3 went more than double the distance. So why not make a worse case scenario to at least give the 308 a chance.
My Elise just ran back from Lake District 360mls on 20 ltrs so call it £2 a ltr for simplicity that’s £10 =5 Lts = 90 mls And it sounds almost as good as the Ferrari!
@@paultasker7788 Yeah. And I don't think that Rover engine was designed as one of the super-economical ones, though there were a few around at the time with quite incredible figures. I seem to remember one of the Peugeot/Citroen engines getting figures up in this region, though I doubt it would have been very exciting, even in an Elise.
5 ltrs is over a gallon I made it 66 mpg no one was more surprised than me I thought I would have to fill up but still had 1/2 tank left when home I don’t think it can do 50…..
The carbon footprint during the production of an average passenger car like the VW Golf is 6.8 tonnes (14,991 pounds) of CO2. A modern battery-electric vehicle such as the Polestar 2 increases this figure to 26 tonnes (57,320 pounds) of CO2 before they even leave the factory, which can be difficult to offset with zero-emission driving. For comparison, it takes more than 46 years of use for the average classic car to reach the same 26-tonne CO2 figure.
Spitting facts, I see. The most "green" vehicle you can by right now is a hybrid, but you have to drive it 90,000 miles to break even in CO2 terms. The next 90,000 it's green.
@@anonymous_bot_bot The most "green" car? Basically *any* hybrid, compared to a Tesla or a conventional car. The CO2 produced from manufacturing it is close to a conventional car, because the battery is small, making it better than a fully-electric car, and the fuel efficiency is better than a conventional car, making it greener than a conventional car. Assuming the battery works for at least 90,000 miles...
Where did you get those numbers? They seem a bit far apart. The Polestar is also made in China which doesn't have the greenest power in some places. The i3 is largely made in factories that use wind and hydro.
On a side note, you mentioned that you might have got more mileage with the electric if you didn't have to stop so much. EVs are actually the opposite of gas cars when it comes to city vs highway mileage because of the regenerative braking. So driving around town will get you more mileage per £10 of electricity than driving it out on the highway (because you put a little bit of charge back in every time you stop).
Great post Jack. First time I’ve bothered to do the maths. I charge my i3 at the mains overnight so even greater margin. The big question being how much is that divine V8 orchestra worth….? Also bang on with i3 driving experience
To me the Elephant in the room is not really range or acceleration, great as they are. Nobody talks about the future of these vehicles and residuals. As all the leases on Tesla's come to an end there will be a huge flood on the used market of Model 3's with a 200 mile range which of course will reduce even more over time. What then? Personally I think Electric & Hybrids are just a sticking plaster to a much bigger problem. Surely Synthetic carbon emission free fuel is the way to go.
Hi Jack. I thing what would have been more interesting is if you had filled the Ferrari as if the fuel tax was not in place ( approx 57 pence per litre) as is the case with electric at this point in time. That would have meant more petrol hence more miles but at the same cost as the electric that you placed in to the BMW i3. I am concerned that we are being lead down the same road here that Diesel users found themselves in a number of years ago in that it was cheap until the great majority use it and revenue falls. we then find that the revenue is clawed back and the new fuel is then expensive or more likely some form of distance tax is applied.
My merc e220 diesel used to do 55mpg. Now consider the planned price increases for electricity and they don't look quite such good value. Then compare the two on a winter's day with the heater on, lights on etc. Compare like for like diesel to electric and it's a very different equation.
Also, it would've been interesting to put a set amount of juice into the i3 when it was new, range, and then same test conditions except the i3 has age/mileage on the battery
There is no disputing that for general commuting, EV's are brilliant especially if charged form home. On the other hand, I drive a Porsche 968 that cost me less than a used I3 and I get 10l/100km meaning I get 700 KM on a tank. Costs about €140 to fill. So it's more expensive (but tbh it's a cleanish car and still going after 30 years). Long distances are a joy though.
Brilliant...however a couple of points...(I own a BMW i3 so speak from experience). You started off the test by flooring the Ferrari hence using up probably the equivalent of a couple of miles of range...you were actually not trying to drive the Ferrari so as to maximize the fuel economy. In the i3 i noticed you also drove in a couple of little towns and probably got the car to get back some energy by regen. So, not exactly a fair test although there is no way ANY car no matter the fuel economy could match the i3 for money/energy. Now if you were to have the same energy using your home charger it would be even more glaring.
I get around 19mpg out of my XK8, but I'm pretty sure I'd get more smiles per miles driving that than one of those. Interesting content as always Jack.
I averaged 18.62 mpg in the 13825 miles I did in my XK8, lovely car. Traded it in for an XKR (lovelier car!) and now have a V8 F-Type which is almost as frugal as the 4 litre XK8. Agree with you on the smiles per gallon.
LOL, the 308 did well but you could never really describe it as economical, but will deliver more smiles per mile than an i3. Its odd there isn't more effort to produce synthetic fuels as we have a ready made distribution network located in convenient locations.
Jack. Great channel. Home electricity is around 45p per kWh unless you charge at night. Why don't you compare apples with apples....a nice rattly polo 1.4tdi is the same size as the little beemer...and will be a really close fight cost per mile. The current crop of EVs is only use as a second car if you need to actually go places
@@johnnyzee383 From October we will be paying 45 pence per KWh... Perhaps less overnight....I did the sums before I brought a new car....as a second car EVs make a lot of sense especially in a city...rural living they are not worth it (yet)
@@jeremyaustin9103 rural you have considerably better chance of off street parking. Can then go months without using public chargers (the real Achilles heel of EVs). Mainly charging overnight on under 10p/kWh myself. Easily covers commuting. Unlike petrol, you don't have favourite local fill up points, you have favourite 150-200 mile away fill up points, but you use them infrequently.
@@grahamleiper1538 I had a phev. It was utterly useless. I work from home. Do a few local trips... perfect for an ev. All of my main driving miles are holybobs or customers abroad. Currently range/charging hasstle a diesel is easier and cheaper in the real world. From October... electricity will be 45p /kWh day...22p at night.... including the actual cost to buy or pcp...still zero point. A full tank can get me 800 miles...takes 5 mins to refill...and the range doesn't reduce with age.
@@jeremyaustin9103 I'm rural Aberdeenshire. Charging stops maybe added an hour to my last trip to London, but some of that I would have been stopping anyway. Not used a public charger since getting home from last trip to London in April.
Interesting. There are so many variables in a comparison like this. How would a more modern small petrol engined car, a Fiesta for instance, do against a kia EV6? Both of which are more state of the art. Then there are the hybrids too. Not an easy comparison.
I love the sound the BMW i3 makes - said no one ever. Hours wasted just to find a decent charger, says it all. I remember the almost demonic sound the Renault Zoe makes that I often used at work a few years ago. I like the idea of smaller electric city cars, but considering how much they are, even second hand when the battery is becoming more and more of a liability, I wouldn’t touch one now.
Didn't need to drain 308 tank - dangerous unsettling of the gunk in bottom - just bring it to brim at pump and drive approx what you think it would do on £10 and then refill it and it say it takes £12 it's 10/12 the mileage driven for £10 use - simples and safer ! You can do the same with i3 btw brim it with volts, drive estimate of £10 replug it in to full actual cost/expected cost X mileage again gives you £10 of volts 😉
I am paying 24p per unit for electricity and getting 4.3 miles per unit on average. That's 5.58p per mile. My wife's diesel does 36 mpg ( it's a big SUV) which is 25.2p per mile. That's a substantial difference in running costs. The electric hardly used any brakes and the servicing is cheap. I also notice that I haven't eaten through tyres in it - which is something people were warning me about when I was buying it.
I really like this video, I guess I echo plenty of people when saying I'd like to see a smaller, more modern petrol or diesel car in a similar test- couldn't be too eco as the car on dino juice needs similar performance for a direct comparison and the i3 isn't slow! - great idea for a video though, the Ferrari is 🥰😍
How much tax was there on that L10 of electricity, vs the petrol? If gasoline sales, and hence the government revenues, decline significantly, what are they going to do to make up the shortfall? "Transportation Electricity Surcharge" at the outlet, anyone?
Re run this test in October when unleaded has dropped to £1.70 liter and electricity has increased by another 82%, better still add in a modern petrol efficient hot hatch.
Electric cars are 1-2% of the cars on the road. How high do you think electric cost will go once you hit 10-15%? That I3 is getting about the same economy as a diesel golf, money wise. 50mpg is not unheard of on a diesel golf.
Home charging is so much cheaper than using a rapid charger. It would've cost me just over a quid to do the miles he did on the i3 in the video from home plugged in overnight.
I'm not exactly a massive fan of electric vehicles but most people don't seem to understand how owning an electric car changes the relationship of the car. Electric vehicle owners don't charge their cars at mobile stations for the vast majority of their charging time. They're charged at home. You drive to work, come home and then top off the battery overnight on the household charger.
Not really a fair comparison for the future as when the Treasury starts being hit by the loss of revenue from the massive tax on petroleum fuels then it will have to transfer that tax burden onto EV's by some mechanism. Hydrocarbon fuels are very heavily taxed in comparison to Electricity for vehicles at this point, plus there will need to be massive infrastructure upgrades to produce and distribute the masses more Electricity when EV's become the majority of vehicles. Additionally, EV technology, such as batteries, depend on slave labour and other poor practices ... this will be multiplied and additional waste incurred when EV batteries need to be replaced after something in the region of 10 years, whereas ICE engined cars can be maintained for far less cost. Yes, EV technology is clever and probably the way of the future. However, the current narrative of how wonderful, ecologically friendly and 'green' in the widest sense are nothing like the order of magnitude that is presented to the general public. For example, not many are talking about the devastation being caused to birds by Windmills, nor the children, 'slaves' digging lithium, toxic waste created by used batteries, etc. There is much to debate, that the politicians would rather wasn't.
It is of course complete nonsense. What is the real “cost” of the fuel here ? The cost of fuel is a political issue, you can’t get away from it. Impossible to answer. Ok, you had your fun, but the actual question that remains unanswered is: are electric cars more or less efficient cost wise compared to petrol cars considering everything including production of batteries, recycling at the end of their life. The answer is not so obvious.
The i3 is an awful little car. When they came out here in the states they were expensive (mostly sold on the west coast) now you cannot give them away. A Nissan Leaf would have been a better choice for less cash. Better yet just get a standard Tesla Model 3. For the price you are paying for electricity I think it would be hard for an enthusiast to give up petrol. I have a Lotus Evora which gets good mileage and is a blast to drive. Light, quick, and simple. I also have a Tesla Model S Plaid "The anti-Lotus" Heavy, blazingly fast, and tech heavy. Enjoy both immensely
That's not the "normal" electricity price. 35p probably closer, and EV tariffs with a few overnight hours under 10p/kWh are common here. Petrol here is still almost £2 a gallon, regardless of time of day.
We have had an i3 in London for 4 years... short journey city driving is what it does for and lampost chargers are plentiful and cost about 2p more than home charger on normal rate. We used to have a Touareg, and the wife could never be bothered putting diesel into it, so it was my chore every couple of weeks to drive off and put 100litres of diesel into it. I dont even look at the range on the i3 any more because its academic, just plug it in once a week or so, which my wife normally does! I have a 5.4l amg estate for the odd trip to cornwall or whatever, so Im no saint, but I think people miss the point with range on bev cars, its not a big deal if you are bombing around town - and embarrasing most every other car at the roundabout grand prix. Home charging (not on drive but not a problem)
I apologise Jeff, but that's palpably untrue. I don't know any EV user that doesn't do the vast majority of their charging at home, on cheap rate. As for the ease, after parking in the garage, I simply plug in before walking away, the next day it's waiting for me @90% SOC. Many of us "fill" our EVs from solar, how do you calculate £10 worth of that? And before you say it, yes, between November and Feb, we use the grid, but even then it's 5p/kWh off peak rate, so to fill a Model 3 Performance from 10% to 90% would cost £3, and you could cover near to 300 miles.
@@davidjones332 Is that what you think ? the only thing an electric motor is replacing is the engine .Other systems are still the same . How long do you think the batteries will last .A Mobile phone laptop etc looses a lot of capacity in a small space of time needing new batteries .Car no different only in a more hostile environment The batteries AND the motor replace the petrol/diesel engine .
Hey Jack, the i3 is a great little car, but the cost per mile comparison will be blown out of the water as soon as Road User Charging comes in...which it will do very soon. Ironically the rising cost of fuel may be what makes RSC politically acceptable!
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This is obviously supposed to be a fun test, not a scientific investigation. I thought it would be fun to highlight the difference between a really thirsty old supercar and a modern electric! The difference is quite startling but I am not trying to prove a point or make any particular statement about petrol cars Vs electric. Hope you enjoyed it!!
it was fun! watched last night
The main point I’d make Jack, is that you are comparing a 1980’s supercar’s energy consumption with that of a more or less contemporary city EV. I realise that the exercise was never intended to be scientific as such, but I think a much more interesting comparison would be between the i3 and, say, an Audi A2 Tdi.
You need to add to the numbers how much Coal has to burned for the EV to get it's power and what kind of impact it will have on the Environment. And then you need to add the range for both and then double the amount if the EV needs to be recharged to equal the range of the ICEV. And then there is a 6%, (I think.) energy loss per charge due to the electricity having to be brought to the car.
Oh Lord: here is where you discover that there is a ton of crud in the bottom of the Influenzo’s petrol tank and the carbs are now blocked …. here we go again :)
Just look at that Ferrari. I don't like modern Ferraris one bit but that 70s styling is absolutely blissful. For me that era was the greatest ever in automotive styling.
I would add 16km to the Ferrari, because you floored it several times. 🙂
I don't believe that was flooring it
Never saw any higher than 3rd, where as the i3 was holding a steady 40 on a more consistent road.
Obviously we could pick holes with this test. But let's not forget these cars are chalk and cheese
Thrashed upto 6000 revs so add loads , 25 mpg I bet ....And didn't look a cock in a BMW shopping car for mums
biy hybred farrie
exactly
Good fun stuff Jack, that said I’d rather push the Ferrari than drive that BMW...
BMW is faster and probably out handle the 308, but Ferrari is way cooler.
Me too. At least you push a Ferrari too...
Well done Jack , really interesting experiment.
Great video Jack, very interesting and well-thought-out content which is very current (no pun intended!). Also, looking very sharp in your blazer :)
My mate has a 2014 Passat 2.0 TDi and on a steady motorway run recently attained 71mpg without the worry of whether he will find an operational charging station when he runs low. EV is still not an option for me given the cost to buy and reliable range limits.
55 mph kind steady, you can boot the golf tdi and still get 50 mpg good engines volks pd are
I'm a petrol guy all the way, but people arguing "range limits" these days just sound stubborn & supercilious to me, unless they can give a specific example of how & why.
The thing is that with an electric car you are starting off every day with a full tank. Bog standard Tesla 3 has a range of 278 miles - that's London to Newcastle-on-Tyne. How often does a normal driver drive that far? At over 5 hours drive time I hope you have a break - stretch your legs & have a sandwich & ta-dah! another 200 miles of range in 20 minutes.
So London to York & back is entirely feasible with one stop at a supercharger. 8 hours of driving.
Maybe you need to go 10 minutes out of your way to find a charger? Maybe you need to wait 10 minutes for one to come free? I'm going to stop for something to eat at least once on an 8 hour drive anyway, so maximum it will add another 20ish minutes on to the journey - that's entirely within the effects that a little bit of traffic would have, so is in reality insignificant.
How often would a normal driver undertake a journey such as this? Once a month? Once a year? Never? I'd imagine that less than 1% of road miles are on journeys that long or longer so the argument of "range limits" is actually justified for a teeeny tiny percentage of drivers in reality.
@@alexfrance500 But not many people can afford a Tesla 3. For a daily driver mu Mrs has a 1.0, 3 cylinder Seat Ibiza. We rarely get less than 55mpg, and often get 60+. I paid just 6K for it on a 2016 registration, and it costs £30 a year to tax. Even that i3 is expensive in comparison. I think my Seat is cheaper to run overall.
@@Mike_Ockiner I wasn't arguing that point. I agree completely with the point you put across. Nothing to do with "range limits".
@@alexfrance500 Given that fully electric vehicles have big batteries, and big batteries are manufactured in a way that produces a lot of CO2, and at least 70% of the electric you use to charge it is coal/oil based, any fully electric car with a range over 200 miles is worse for the environment than a conventional car, over the expected 180,000 mile lifetime of the vehicle.
So the more important question is: Why not just by a hybrid and have the extended range when you need it, and be greener that both conventional AND long-range fully electric vehicles?
They burn coal in a power station to make that electricity. So which was worse for the environment? Keeping an old car going or making a new car from rare earth minerals and powering it on coal? Answer is you need to do 40k miles in the bmw before you pay back the carbon deficits.
And digging many tonnes of dirt out of the ground using diesel excavators to get said rare earth minerals.
Outstanding video, Jack! We need more content like this. Well done!
Glad you enjoyed it Tom!
@@Number27 Are you gay?
A more interesting test would be to take £10 of fossil fuel at cost (no tax or vat) and £10 of electricity at cost (no tax or vat) and then calculate again.
Once we’ve converted to battery power the Government are going to have to collect the same duty per mile as fossil fuel.
Hence the home SmartMeter campaign they’ve been so desperately pushing. This snooping technology will enable them to “see” exactly what you’ve been using your domestic electricity on and enable specific taxing for specific uses...
I like this idea, fill up both with £10 of untaxed fuel and electric and try again 👍
As with VED ,(changed in 2017 as to many cars were £0, £20 and £30 per year) the government of the day will do their maths and change the goal posts to suite them,not us.
This was alot of fun. Thanks!
Interesting stuff Jack!...I think the BMW won because of being lighter in weight than the Influenzo, I mean everyone knows £10 of electricity is much lighter the £10 of petrol 🤔😉😂
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You can weigh electricity but flowing it into a light bulb. The brighter the glow the lighter it is.
@@stevecade857 Brilliant! 😂👍👍
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If you get your electricity at Tesco whilst doing your shopping, you get many free miles.
Great Video Jack! I was surprised the 308 went also, especially with you having your foot in it more than once. I wonder if you babied it with very un-aggressive driving, you could squeeze out a few more KM/s?
Fantastic video and it's got everyone talking. Keep up the great content. Given the chance I know where I'd put my Tenner for a go of one
Thanks chap!!
Very interesting comparison Jack!!!
This is an interesting start. I liked the approach - draining the petrol car and pegging the EV to a %age. I'd be very interested to see the same comparison with the i3 vs a modern IC supermini with the same kind of performance, space, practicality, etc as the i3. Something like a Skoda Fabia or Ford Fiesta.
I am sure if you compared a Datsun 140Y or 160 SSS of the same era it would have beaten the electric car.
We print Hook Norton’s labels for all their ales. Cool video. Interesting result.
Been looking forward to this since you mentioned it in a previous video 👍🏻
Jack, that was a great insight to the cost of going electric, and very helpful, I did notice you used a range extender version of the i3, which will negate any range anxiety, In really enjoy your consumer road test content. Thanks.
Hi! Yes it was a range extender but the engine only cuts in below 10% battery so wasn’t used in this test!
Range extenders are ridiculous. I laugh at the term 'range extender'. It's a bloody engine that you are lugging around all the time so as use rarely.
Love the vids, jack! Keep up the great work!
Well done Jack, the Influenzo is sounding amazing
Yep. Enjoyed that, Jack, as a 911SC and i3S owner.
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Win win, you enjoyed doing it, I enjoyed watching it!
Yes it's only one thing, not the cost to the environment of manufacturing a new ev, plus child labour mining the cobolt, in the mile journey to pick up my daughter I had three thumbs up and four "nice car" s, I much prefer that than some anonymous soulless white box, but I always appreciate your content
Clever! Its a very "chalk and cheese" vehicle comparison, but it gives a lot of pause to think about in terms of practicality and efficiency, if those are one's interest. I can't imagine a Ferrari 308 as a daily driver throughout the entire year where I live, and more as occasional weekend trip or Summer run, whereas for ease of use on a daily basis, the BMW (although not my cup of tea) is eminently more useful for my purposes. Thanks!
I just calculated that my 2.0 litre petrol car would go 54 miles on £10 of petrol.
I used to have a diesel car which would have equalled the range / fuel cost of the I3. (I realise this is using a costly charging point , but there’s still many of us for whom home charging isn’t possible just yet.)
Would be interested to add something like a Toyota Yaris hybrid into the comparison.
My Pug 306 TDLX does 56 mpg, all local driving. I rarely go further than a round trip of 12 miles for shopping, so it's pretty good. The sole downside is the road tax reminder I received just this morning, an extra tenner since last year, now being £295 per year.
I recently got over 80mpg driving the Mazda 2 Hybrid around town (same as the Yaris), at £1.90 per litre that would be about 94 miles on £10 of petrol.
Yeah at 59p that ain't cheap to run. The Yaris might even win that one. I pay between 0 and 8.5 unless I'm on a long run and have to use public chargers.
@@ConquerDriving around town you get a lot of energy back with hybrid, the full electric car does too. I'd expect the i3 to go even further then. Heating in winter is the biggest problem, there is no excess heat from burning stuff to keep the cabin warm and comfy :D
.... All ev's are gonna be costly to charge... Even at home... Look at the rate Energy prices are rocketing, just as bad as petrol, if not more so..... And that's for that absolute minority who can charge at home..... A decent home charger takes over 12 hours to charge 80%....a standard wall socket 2 DAYS 🤣🤣
So how much time does it take to pour £10 worth of gas into the Ferrari and how much time does it take to add £10 charge to the electric?
2 minutes vs 20 minutes? But normally you charge slower at home when you have all night, it's just for travel you actually wait for charging.
@@peterbonivart6818 But its only a storage device. You need fossil fuels to transfer the power.
For a Fair test you need a electric sports car, and you need to floor it several times too.
My thoughts exactly, not a fair comparison at all. 2 Different eras. Try a 2008 Ferrari against a 2008 Tesla Roadster.
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Great video. Hooky is my local! The fezza sounded a lot better than the Beemer!
Great vid great idea really enjoyed that.👍
Fun comparison. Also cool since these cars have very similar 0-60 mph times!
You missed a trick by not doing a drag race between them. I think it would be really close, the i3 might even have sneaked a win!
By the way, at the 7.5p/kWh off peak rate which Octopus energy offer on their Go tariff, 16.9kWh would've cost £1.27 and would've taken about 2.5hrs to charge up.
We may have had a bit of a go off camera… and the i3 might have been quicker. Allegedly.
@@pixelbarnstudios2451 Can't remember anything beating me to 40-50mph in mine aside from an Audi S5!
Missing the whole point that electric cars carbon footprint is much worse than an ICE until it’s covered around 60, 000miles. Just ask Volvo. Also come October electricity costs at home will be perhaps 35 pence k/w. Also no consideration about how dirty the electricity that is being produced to recharge the car. This varies between counties but certainly isn’t green. Electric cars are just another scam that people are falling for. Keep what you have as it’s far better to keep and repair than produce something new. Synthetic fuels and hydrogen will be the fuels of the future not battery.
I know that brewery! One of my favourite lockdown memories is popping down to pick up my prepaid order of ales, and finding stacks of beers lined up in a shed, each with a name scrawled on it: you just found your own and took it. It's lovely living with honest people...
What's it called?
@@GTMarmot Now- can we be sure that you're not just asking so you can nip in and
pick up beer for free? ;-)
@@Lemma01 The product at these places is worthless because ingredients and methods aren't regulated. People just go there for the ride/drive out to the countryside. The petrol for these little trips costs much more than plastic bottles of Strongbow from the supermarket. Mix that Strongbow with some cheap lager, and you've got something that in many cases tastes better than these dry-hopped craft ales. But that's not what it's about - just about going out to see the villages and c countryside, and deal with nice country people.
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Lemma01: "Now- can we be sure that you're not just asking so you can nip in and pick up beer for free? ;-)"
What a massive bell
Lovely roads around Hook Norton, good car club too
Were you at Steeple Aston? That's one of my favourite pubs of all time! And Hooky is one of the great British ales.
Very interesting video, Jack. I was not surprised at the result-the i3 has a lot of advantages that add up to its high efficiency. It is, of course much more advanced in terms of aerodynamics and low rolling resistance tire technology. And of course it can recapture energy during braking, whereas the 308 cannot. Finally, the i3 isn’t wasting much energy in the form of rejected heat like its IC-engined competitor.
Interesting challenge well done jack
Sadly from 2030 on all combustion cars including classics will be banned
from public streets in entire EU and Scandinavia :-( In Germany the
Green Peoples Party gave order to shorten fuel supply from 2025 on by
reducing all conventional fuel stations to only one state operated
central gas station per city or county. Now they even want to slow down
all the gas pumps from 20 litre per minute to 2 litre per minute...From
2027 on in the EU certain car spare parts will be banned too....as
exhaust systems, turbo chargers and even some engine and gearbox
oils...California and New York will do the same from 2027 on.... So no
investments should be done in oil burning cars any longer....They even
created a new kind of crime here, called emissions and smoke crime. :-(
Well, the UK is out of the EU so you can come and drive your ICE car here! We've just banned the sale of new ICE vehicles from 2025(?), not their use.
When the 308 ran out of fuel pointed to a significant issue, When you can take the energy to the car and not the car to the energy then Electric cars might become useful.
My petrol golf estate 1.5 turbo will do 70 miles (60mpg) on motorway (at 65), about 52 miles (45mpg) on country roads and only 40 miles (35mpg) in busy town traffic. So heavily dependent on speed and traffic conditions. Very economical at constant speed. Less so under acceleration. I think that's how these turbos work. You get the power/torque of a 2.0 but the economy of a 1.4 on a cruise but under acceleration the economy is more like a 2.0 especially in the first 3 gears. Get it in 7th however and it's as economical as my previous 1.6tdi diesel. 57mpg at 70mph ain't bad for a petrol estate. That said it varies hugely between cars. I had an Alfa MiTo diesel that would do 60 on a run and just 27 in town but my last Leon 1.6tdi did 45 in town and 55 on a run, this 1.5t petrol golf estate does 35 in town and 57 on a run.
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Fun video. Charging at home in the daytime may be half the cost of the public charger but at night its a fraction of the cost with a certain provider. I own a 1981 Corvette and a Tesla Model 3sr+, it sure is painful filling the Vette when the Tesla fuel is as good as free.
Fun idea. I'm pretty sure £10 worth of solar off my roof would get my i3 about several thousand miles though ;) And even charging on cheap rate at night is something like 400 miles for £10. Not relevant for long trips of course where you have to get the pricey stuff.
That exhaust off the Ferrari is absolutely disgusting! But the gearbox did sound super sweet.
Yes, if you can afford to wait 7 days for your solar panels to produce 10 pounds worth, longer in winter .
@@RockyRacoon66 Well, I get more than I know what to do with in the summer. Letting it go to the grid now as I’ve filled up both cars but you’re right in the winter. Get a dribble. Off-peak charging is still cheap (approx 20% of that rapid) but not zero.
Couldn't believe it to see that 5L can and equate it to £10 worth of petrol. It's appalling what has happened to our country and others in Europe who also have extortionate fuel prices. But that's what we get when we just roll over and accept it "well that's just the way it is". The Americans on the other hand won't rest until theirs is brought back down, and it will be. The best we can hope for by comparison is petrol not being totally banned in the next 10 years. What a world.
Interesting, but I’d rather pay more and how many times would you look back at an i3 when you parked it?
Looked back in shame
Seeing the 308 with the BMW really shows how far we have regressed in car design.
I disagree, im a car enthusiast too (sadly no Ferrari in my stable…but Honda S2000, Mazda Miata NB, Porsche Cayenne and BMW i3). The i3 is amazing fun to drive and uber practical around town. I agree its styling could be considered clownish, especially from the rear end however its excellent in so many other ways… i love it
@@ophthodawg indeed, I meant styling rather than design as a whole. It is unfortunate that politicians have such a hand in car design.
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My prediction is: 22 miles for the Ferrari and 67 miles for the BMW if you are charging at 59p per kWh and filling up at £1.90 per litre.
This test plays into the hands of the electric car. It's was up against a very old v8 petrol on roads that are not best for fuel consumption in a petrol car. If it was mid winter on a cold day, and you did the test on a motorway, the electric car would fail dismally. I have nothing against electric cars, but I do lots of motorway driving and can't charge at home. It would be impossible for me to run an electric car. Electric cars are not solving the eco problem. It just hides it better. Its kind of like brushing it under the carpet out of site out of mind environmental damage.
Be interesting to see a calculation of how far the Ferrari would have gone on £10 of fuel at the cost of fuel per litre when the i3 first came out
Did you start off at Hooky brewery?
Interesting video; two cars are poles apart. Personally I’m a big fan if the i3, it was just ahead of its time and it’s a shame BMW didn’t develop it further.
Edit: saw the thanks to the Brewery at the end. I have family down the road so try and grab a few cases when we visit.
The problem is I guarantee you electricity costs will sky rocket once electric cars become the norm. Right now it's kept relatively low because of low demand and to increase interest. Same as diesel used to be cheaper than petrol, until everyone bought diesels and suddenly it became more expensive!
As an ev owner who has always had petrol and diesel before I can tell you if you are smart you can charge at a fraction of the cost. Don’t use rapids unless you have to. The future of energy in my opinion is gonna be self sufficiency. Simple as that. You put in solar panels and we find new ways to create your own electricity without relying on government or companies. Food may go the same way too who knows
Really cool experiment Jack. At home at the moment i pay 27.54 kw/h ao is around half i thought that was the i3R with the include petrol generator.
Here's a suggestion. Try comparing a 308 electric conversion with the original. The i3 is optimized to be efficient whereas the e308 would share the same compromises ice power unit excepted.
Nothing like Evs now. Most ev drivers charge at home on overnight rates. My 2018 leaf charges full 150/160 miles for me £3.75 on my home tariff and that’s not even the most efficient car.
@@tekinmustafamusic6223 I agree but, however you look at it, to compare the two is absurd. The i3 went more than double the distance. So why not make a worse case scenario to at least give the 308 a chance.
My Elise just ran back from Lake District 360mls on 20 ltrs so call it £2 a ltr for simplicity that’s £10 =5 Lts = 90 mls
And it sounds almost as good as the Ferrari!
Your Elise does 80 miles to the gallon? Why didn't Lotus tell us it was quite so economical?
That's lightness for you
@@ChristianRThomas it's a light sports car with a relatively small engine but even so 80mpg seems unbelievabe unless you drove at constant 50mph.
@@paultasker7788 Yeah. And I don't think that Rover engine was designed as one of the super-economical ones, though there were a few around at the time with quite incredible figures. I seem to remember one of the Peugeot/Citroen engines getting figures up in this region, though I doubt it would have been very exciting, even in an Elise.
5 ltrs is over a gallon I made it 66 mpg no one was more surprised than me I thought I would have to fill up but still had 1/2 tank left when home
I don’t think it can do 50…..
Hook Norton brewery make some damn fine ales!
As for the cars, no contest is there?!
The carbon footprint during the production of an average passenger car like the VW Golf is 6.8 tonnes (14,991 pounds) of CO2. A modern battery-electric vehicle such as the Polestar 2 increases this figure to 26 tonnes (57,320 pounds) of CO2 before they even leave the factory, which can be difficult to offset with zero-emission driving. For comparison, it takes more than 46 years of use for the average classic car to reach the same 26-tonne CO2 figure.
Spitting facts, I see.
The most "green" vehicle you can by right now is a hybrid, but you have to drive it 90,000 miles to break even in CO2 terms. The next 90,000 it's green.
@@comfy_rwds Imagine if it was a Tesla battery... ouchie...
@@fredmercury1314 What car is that?
@@anonymous_bot_bot The most "green" car?
Basically *any* hybrid, compared to a Tesla or a conventional car.
The CO2 produced from manufacturing it is close to a conventional car, because the battery is small, making it better than a fully-electric car, and the fuel efficiency is better than a conventional car, making it greener than a conventional car.
Assuming the battery works for at least 90,000 miles...
Where did you get those numbers? They seem a bit far apart. The Polestar is also made in China which doesn't have the greenest power in some places. The i3 is largely made in factories that use wind and hydro.
On a side note, you mentioned that you might have got more mileage with the electric if you didn't have to stop so much. EVs are actually the opposite of gas cars when it comes to city vs highway mileage because of the regenerative braking. So driving around town will get you more mileage per £10 of electricity than driving it out on the highway (because you put a little bit of charge back in every time you stop).
Excellent consumer advice!
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Great post Jack. First time I’ve bothered to do the maths. I charge my i3 at the mains overnight so even greater margin. The big question being how much is that divine V8 orchestra worth….? Also bang on with i3 driving experience
Thanks chap! Enjoyed doing this.. just a bit of fun!
Very nice test! 👌👌
This test would have been even more interesting if you had included something like a Kia Picanto (a small city car)!
Good point!!
To me the Elephant in the room is not really range or acceleration, great as they are. Nobody talks about the future of these vehicles and residuals. As all the leases on Tesla's come to an end there will be a huge flood on the used market of Model 3's with a 200 mile range which of course will reduce even more over time. What then?
Personally I think Electric & Hybrids are just a sticking plaster to a much bigger problem.
Surely Synthetic carbon emission free fuel is the way to go.
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As the i3 you used was a range extender you wouldn’t be able to completely empty the battery as the Rex would kick it at 7%.
Hi Jack. I thing what would have been more interesting is if you had filled the Ferrari as if the fuel tax was not in place ( approx 57 pence per litre) as is the case with electric at this point in time. That would have meant more petrol hence more miles but at the same cost as the electric that you placed in to the BMW i3. I am concerned that we are being lead down the same road here that Diesel users found themselves in a number of years ago in that it was cheap until the great majority use it and revenue falls. we then find that the revenue is clawed back and the new fuel is then expensive or more likely some form of distance tax is applied.
My merc e220 diesel used to do 55mpg. Now consider the planned price increases for electricity and they don't look quite such good value. Then compare the two on a winter's day with the heater on, lights on etc. Compare like for like diesel to electric and it's a very different equation.
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Also, it would've been interesting to put a set amount of juice into the i3 when it was new, range, and then same test conditions except the i3 has age/mileage on the battery
Love the sound of the Ferrari. Sounding much sweeter than in previous videos
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There is no disputing that for general commuting, EV's are brilliant especially if charged form home. On the other hand, I drive a Porsche 968 that cost me less than a used I3 and I get 10l/100km meaning I get 700 KM on a tank. Costs about €140 to fill. So it's more expensive (but tbh it's a cleanish car and still going after 30 years). Long distances are a joy though.
Brilliant...however a couple of points...(I own a BMW i3 so speak from experience). You started off the test by flooring the Ferrari hence using up probably the equivalent of a couple of miles of range...you were actually not trying to drive the Ferrari so as to maximize the fuel economy. In the i3 i noticed you also drove in a couple of little towns and probably got the car to get back some energy by regen. So, not exactly a fair test although there is no way ANY car no matter the fuel economy could match the i3 for money/energy. Now if you were to have the same energy using your home charger it would be even more glaring.
I get around 19mpg out of my XK8, but I'm pretty sure I'd get more smiles per miles driving that than one of those. Interesting content as always Jack.
I averaged 18.62 mpg in the 13825 miles I did in my XK8, lovely car. Traded it in for an XKR (lovelier car!) and now have a V8 F-Type which is almost as frugal as the 4 litre XK8. Agree with you on the smiles per gallon.
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LOL, the 308 did well but you could never really describe it as economical, but will deliver more smiles per mile than an i3. Its odd there isn't more effort to produce synthetic fuels as we have a ready made distribution network located in convenient locations.
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Jack. Great channel.
Home electricity is around 45p per kWh unless you charge at night.
Why don't you compare apples with apples....a nice rattly polo 1.4tdi is the same size as the little beemer...and will be a really close fight cost per mile.
The current crop of EVs is only use as a second car if you need to actually go places
No it will not...wont be close.
@@johnnyzee383 From October we will be paying 45 pence per KWh... Perhaps less overnight....I did the sums before I brought a new car....as a second car EVs make a lot of sense especially in a city...rural living they are not worth it (yet)
@@jeremyaustin9103 rural you have considerably better chance of off street parking. Can then go months without using public chargers (the real Achilles heel of EVs).
Mainly charging overnight on under 10p/kWh myself.
Easily covers commuting.
Unlike petrol, you don't have favourite local fill up points, you have favourite 150-200 mile away fill up points, but you use them infrequently.
@@grahamleiper1538 I had a phev. It was utterly useless. I work from home. Do a few local trips... perfect for an ev. All of my main driving miles are holybobs or customers abroad.
Currently range/charging hasstle a diesel is easier and cheaper in the real world.
From October... electricity will be 45p /kWh day...22p at night.... including the actual cost to buy or pcp...still zero point.
A full tank can get me 800 miles...takes 5 mins to refill...and the range doesn't reduce with age.
@@jeremyaustin9103 I'm rural Aberdeenshire.
Charging stops maybe added an hour to my last trip to London, but some of that I would have been stopping anyway.
Not used a public charger since getting home from last trip to London in April.
Great comparison between a Ferrari 308 and the BMW i3 they have a range extender motor do they
Interesting. There are so many variables in a comparison like this. How would a more modern small petrol engined car, a Fiesta for instance, do against a kia EV6? Both of which are more state of the art. Then there are the hybrids too. Not an easy comparison.
I love the sound the BMW i3 makes - said no one ever. Hours wasted just to find a decent charger, says it all. I remember the almost demonic sound the Renault Zoe makes that I often used at work a few years ago. I like the idea of smaller electric city cars, but considering how much they are, even second hand when the battery is becoming more and more of a liability, I wouldn’t touch one now.
Who could have guessed that shock result! 🙀
308 looks resplendent in the sunlight !
Except most people charge at home. I pay 7.5p kWh when I charge my I3s. So you can multiply the mileage by 8.
Exactly, far far cheaper at home
I would add the 308 is a dream car and certainly has more style. If I could afford it I would 😂
@@entropy5431 oh yeah beautiful car, what a noise 😍
Didn't need to drain 308 tank - dangerous unsettling of the gunk in bottom - just bring it to brim at pump and drive approx what you think it would do on £10 and then refill it and it say it takes £12 it's 10/12 the mileage driven for £10 use - simples and safer !
You can do the same with i3 btw brim it with volts, drive estimate of £10 replug it in to full actual cost/expected cost X mileage again gives you £10 of volts 😉
You could have gone further in the influenzo if you had driven it easier. What was your hurry? You just like the loud pedal!🤠
I am paying 24p per unit for electricity and getting 4.3 miles per unit on average. That's 5.58p per mile. My wife's diesel does 36 mpg ( it's a big SUV) which is 25.2p per mile. That's a substantial difference in running costs. The electric hardly used any brakes and the servicing is cheap. I also notice that I haven't eaten through tyres in it - which is something people were warning me about when I was buying it.
You need to work out how much coal is burnt for that electricity 😂😂😂😂
You also need to take into account how much more the EV cost.
@@jamesgoodwin2450 My electricity is 100% renewables. There are no coal or gas fired power stations in Scotland.
@@drewukdrew £305 per month for mine.
@@GordonHudson I doubt that very much
I really like this video, I guess I echo plenty of people when saying I'd like to see a smaller, more modern petrol or diesel car in a similar test- couldn't be too eco as the car on dino juice needs similar performance for a direct comparison and the i3 isn't slow! - great idea for a video though, the Ferrari is 🥰😍
I don't see the point, unless I am missing something.
The real question is what would a comparable petrol or diesel car to the i3 have returned?
Ace Jack love your videos chap (Si from Bath )
How much tax was there on that L10 of electricity, vs the petrol? If gasoline sales, and hence the government revenues, decline significantly, what are they going to do to make up the shortfall? "Transportation Electricity Surcharge" at the outlet, anyone?
Re run this test in October when unleaded has dropped to £1.70 liter and electricity has increased by another 82%, better still add in a modern petrol efficient hot hatch.
So which one would you choose, 18 miles in a Ferrari or 66 miles in a BMW?
I think I’d take the Ferrari.
Me too. Especially such an ugly BMW (though aren't they all, nowadays?
Same here and I'd smile everytime id think or look at the Ferrari.
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What is going on with that road cutting through that window at 3:36?! 😄 been relaid thirty times
Electric cars are 1-2% of the cars on the road. How high do you think electric cost will go once you hit 10-15%? That I3 is getting about the same economy as a diesel golf, money wise. 50mpg is not unheard of on a diesel golf.
Home charging is so much cheaper than using a rapid charger. It would've cost me just over a quid to do the miles he did on the i3 in the video from home plugged in overnight.
@@gazzaman28 What you said.
I'm not exactly a massive fan of electric vehicles but most people don't seem to understand how owning an electric car changes the relationship of the car. Electric vehicle owners don't charge their cars at mobile stations for the vast majority of their charging time.
They're charged at home. You drive to work, come home and then top off the battery overnight on the household charger.
Not really a fair comparison for the future as when the Treasury starts being hit by the loss of revenue from the massive tax on petroleum fuels then it will have to transfer that tax burden onto EV's by some mechanism. Hydrocarbon fuels are very heavily taxed in comparison to Electricity for vehicles at this point, plus there will need to be massive infrastructure upgrades to produce and distribute the masses more Electricity when EV's become the majority of vehicles.
Additionally, EV technology, such as batteries, depend on slave labour and other poor practices ... this will be multiplied and additional waste incurred when EV batteries need to be replaced after something in the region of 10 years, whereas ICE engined cars can be maintained for far less cost.
Yes, EV technology is clever and probably the way of the future. However, the current narrative of how wonderful, ecologically friendly and 'green' in the widest sense are nothing like the order of magnitude that is presented to the general public. For example, not many are talking about the devastation being caused to birds by Windmills, nor the children, 'slaves' digging lithium, toxic waste created by used batteries, etc.
There is much to debate, that the politicians would rather wasn't.
hydrocarbons are also massively subsidised though
It is of course complete nonsense.
What is the real “cost” of the fuel here ? The cost of fuel is a political issue, you can’t get away from it.
Impossible to answer.
Ok, you had your fun, but the actual question that remains unanswered is:
are electric cars more or less efficient cost wise compared to petrol cars considering everything including production of batteries, recycling at the end of their life.
The answer is not so obvious.
The i3 is an awful little car. When they came out here in the states they were expensive (mostly sold on the west coast) now you cannot give them away. A Nissan Leaf would have been a better choice for less cash. Better yet just get a standard Tesla Model 3.
For the price you are paying for electricity I think it would be hard for an enthusiast to give up petrol.
I have a Lotus Evora which gets good mileage and is a blast to drive. Light, quick, and simple.
I also have a Tesla Model S Plaid "The anti-Lotus" Heavy, blazingly fast, and tech heavy.
Enjoy both immensely
That's not the "normal" electricity price. 35p probably closer, and EV tariffs with a few overnight hours under 10p/kWh are common here. Petrol here is still almost £2 a gallon, regardless of time of day.
We have had an i3 in London for 4 years... short journey city driving is what it does for and lampost chargers are plentiful and cost about 2p more than home charger on normal rate.
We used to have a Touareg, and the wife could never be bothered putting diesel into it, so it was my chore every couple of weeks to drive off and put 100litres of diesel into it. I dont even look at the range on the i3 any more because its academic, just plug it in once a week or so, which my wife normally does!
I have a 5.4l amg estate for the odd trip to cornwall or whatever, so Im no saint, but I think people miss the point with range on bev cars, its not a big deal if you are bombing around town - and embarrasing most every other car at the roundabout grand prix.
Home charging (not on drive but not a problem)
The i3's fuel cost is about the same as a similar size diesel car and filling up is so much easier and quicker.
I apologise Jeff, but that's palpably untrue. I don't know any EV user that doesn't do the vast majority of their charging at home, on cheap rate. As for the ease, after parking in the garage, I simply plug in before walking away, the next day it's waiting for me @90% SOC. Many of us "fill" our EVs from solar, how do you calculate £10 worth of that? And before you say it, yes, between November and Feb, we use the grid, but even then it's 5p/kWh off peak rate, so to fill a Model 3 Performance from 10% to 90% would cost £3, and you could cover near to 300 miles.
Sorry Jef, that’s nonsense.
It would be half as much if filled up at home.
But over the lifetime of the car an EV will need far less maintenance than a diesel.
@@davidjones332 Is that what you think ? the only thing an electric motor is replacing is the engine .Other systems are still the same . How long do you think the batteries will last .A Mobile phone laptop etc looses a lot of capacity in a small space of time needing new batteries .Car no different only in a more hostile environment The batteries AND the motor replace the petrol/diesel engine .
Possibly the most scientific fuel consumption piece on YT ;). Good fun though - as always.
Great comparison Jack. How does smiles per hour compare to Pepe.
Entertaining but now compare the i3 with a super efficient small suv with a 3 cylinder twin turbo ICE engine.
Hey Jack, the i3 is a great little car, but the cost per mile comparison will be blown out of the water as soon as Road User Charging comes in...which it will do very soon. Ironically the rising cost of fuel may be what makes RSC politically acceptable!
Were you driving both cars the same Jack? In the Ferrari you’re up and down the box, in the beemer, much more sedate??
Its just because the i3 makes no noise.. it was also driven with spirit