The Chief Of Police GOT FIRED After This Stop
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This woman was 100% more rational and level headed than both of those idiots combined
100% and they were PO'd because she told them that she did NOT see what the chief was saying happened but actually saw something totally different. Chief did NOT want the truth out there to prove it lied and arrested that man unlawfully.
2 toddlers are more level headed than a couple of pigs
I love how they tried to snatch her phone and threatened to arrest her on baseless charges yet they said they're not "one of the grimey ones". These cops are terrible
He even says a 'grimy one' would have tried to take the phone... I guess forgetting he already did try to just steal it?
Shameless is more like it. Being self aware is apparently not a prerequisite for a cop!!
Rarely do I disagree with a rating, the guy did try to take the phone. The attempt should be treated the same as if he did seize it, like they try to add on things.
The cops could literally have said this is the way it is, we have a felony and we suspect you have evidence, you don't have to comply but if you choose not to we will get a search warrant and that will disrupt your life further when we come to your home and seize your phone with a warrant. We will get that video one way or another and if you delete it that is in fact a felony. We don't want to make an issue for you and we don't want to seize your phone but this is a serious charge and it will be pursued. I apologize for the inconvenience.
That sounds pretty harsh but it's all the facts, it's courteous even though it's blunt and it just lays out the situation, you don't need to get into a fight or threaten arrest and should she decide not to comply with your request then you just follow the enshrined procedure, get the warrant and seize the phone. Don't step for a second or by an inch outside the bounds of your power as established by law, you don't need to be rude but you also don't need to acquiesce and drop it. That evidence is fairly crucial and there's no legal reason it wouldn't be collected one way or another.
Then ata gave them a c- still
This women stood up to 2 TYRANTS. Good Job.
That chief was panicking from the very beginning. How shameful.
How is it the woman’s fault that none of the cops had bodycam on ? Are citizens supposed to do their jobs for them? Off duty or not, that’s not her fault.
Yes huhhhhhhh it’s in their policy for the civi to tell them they need their body cams on. If not it is your fault.😡
Btw I’m kidding for people that take this seriously. ._.
Then, they'll turn around and arrest someone else for recording.
Nah dude thought he was gonna bully an older lady, but she pulled the reverse uno and stood her ground. These cops think they can scare us, buy knowing your rights renders them helpless.
I’m even confused to what the initial arrest is for. The guy had a knife and then they went after him? So seems like they arrested the guy for what reason?
Witness intimidation and harassment. They both should've been canned.
and prosecuted.
I love the way she stood up to those bullies.
This continues to prove corruption starts from the top down concerning cops.
Assaulting witnesses and violating their rights is why people don't want help police.
I'm not surprised the chief was canned for this kind of unprofessional and aggressive violation of rights.
How can you not be surprised? What about the other aggressive cop on scene? Nothing seemed to happen to him. It's rare they have to pay for their abuse.
Good cop/bad cop on a witness!? That's a new one on me. There was a time when a person would be automatically be on the police side , but years of over policing and paramilitary action of the police has ruined that once intricatel component of citizen cooperation. Now we have citizens who must decide who being the bigger criminal.
@@TheBooban It isn't rare. It just isn't reported publicly.
Im super surprised they didn't investigate themselves and find they did no wrong ...
I thought he was canned because of this incident, but it was another issue.
The officer who threatened her with arrest for pointing at him and getting inches from her and pushing her up against a car. And the chief cursing at her for not doing what he wanted. Absolutely despicable.
EVIL OFFICERS!
They know they're guilty and they want the evidence of it.
Then they try to create their own Narrative.
THE CHIEF IS ONE OF THOSE GRIMMY ONES. WE SAW IT WITH OUR OWN EYES!
The witness was just assertively defending herself from cops who were trying to intimidate her.
C- is tame on this one. Any threat of illegal seizure by law enforcement should be treated as illegal. This is an F
D- in my opinion... F is more reserved for those who blantaly abuse the law in retaliation. These guys were intidimidating for sure and bad.. but... they didn't arrest her for sticking to their rights when they could.
It's like comparing someone who will beat you up for talking back or someone will beat you up if you ultimately get over their limit. Both are bad, just one you can avoid the conflict. Wich makes them "Slightly" better.
F officers would have arrested her regardless if she complied. As you saw the officer was trying to arrest them for "Reaching, Threatening body language and such" But the Chief pushed it off and didn't let him. Wich means the chief KNEW it would be a bad arrest, wich is slightly better no?
AtA has a history of describing multiple illegal actions of cops and still not failing them.
I don't think there's a single video on this channel that gives the police less than an F where multiple people aren't in the comments saying it deserved an F. Of course, if those commenters had their way, then every video would rate the police an F, making the rating system pointless. The whole point of the middle grades isn't that they didn't do something (maybe even multiple somethings) wrong, it's that what they did wrong wasn't as bad as some of the other examples. If they'd actually arrested her or assaulted her, or illegally seized her phone, they for sure would have gotten an F.
@@Kerrigore2Violating the law by violating rights should always be an F. It's criminal. An automatic felony when two or more are involved. That deserves an F. Plus, the law demands fines up to imprisonment and death. That's the law they swear to uphold.
@@Kerrigore2I totally agree but the one cop did try to grab her phone from her hand. I think they they were in D territory but yeah for sure not an F but they sure were trying to get an F. 😅
They worried a citizen with a raw video may stop them from lying about the situation as they always do
They needed to see the video so they know how to write the police report down later. Have to get the "facts" straight 😂
The woman should only release the video after several freedom of information forms are filed out for it. Then, after all the hassle and time, she can just black out everything she doesn't want anyone to see.
The police have taught us exactly how they handle it when we want footage of something!
Wow I cannot believe he went to snatch her phone WHILE HIS BODY CAM WAS ON!!! That’s a lot of GALL!
Above the law.
She will become a witness for the Defendant.
I hope so. Because I believe that the chef is a liar and I have yet to finish the video..I am at 7:45 into it
C- are you kidding me. They assaulted the witness and violated her rights . They should be in prison .
Grabbing her phone on the sly like that. Both deserve to be fired
That was crazy, cop lunged at the woman trying to steal her phone, then later on threatens to arrest her because she shook her finger in his direction.
Her finger is lawful under the right to keep and bear arms.
How is just the attempt to grab the phone not “assault”?
@@fishbike9103Of course it's assault. Qualified Immunity.
Worder how many times they did this to others,😢 cause this looks llike not the first time
He has SERIOUS issues with control!
He’s got that badge, which makes his pignorance grow, thinking he’s judge jury and executioner!!
I'm starting to see alot of new York cops act similarly.
Nothing like a man abusing authority by threats, intimidations and potential theft of a woman's property. What a heroic manly man. Can't believe this shining example of integrity got fired.
😂 well played
😂😂😂
The way they treated this woman was morally reprehensible. She owes them nothing!
She helps a criminal get off, how is that moral
@@Tangentbordsblues Not talking about her. She is a private citizen. They are law enforcement. They are infringing on her rights.
I can virtually guarantee if the video showed that the cop was wrong, then the video would have disappeared. NEVER cooperate with the police. They were ready to bring this woman to jail and she did nothing wrong. Despicable.
@@wallebo I was thinking the same. Law enforcement acting like the mob.
@@ephy1973All of them do it
"That's not my car but I'm in control of it"
"Ok so can I have it?"
Perfect comeback. These cops deserve no help with those attitudes.
He knew that was a good point as he said “touché”
She described those officer exactly. Willing to push the limit enough to apply pressure on people.
I give the witness an A....she handled it really well, all things considered.
She should’ve not given in and showed no ID, but I don’t blame her for not wanting to get beat and arrested by these criminals.
The witness would have probably cooperated if the cops weren't total dicks to her. They never seem to understand or care about that and act like we owe them something. Treat an innocent woman like a criminal and wonder why she doesn't want to help them. Worst part is this jackass is probably already working at another police department. There needs to be a "do not hire" list for cops that get fired for misconduct. If we can't trust them all we can't trust any of them.
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@@jsncrsohuh?
Facts they want to to bow and kiss their boots and show them respect at every turn but don't want to do the same. It's like they don't understand that it goes both ways. Your supposed to be working for the people not yourselves and the govt. But the system is so way past broken and corrupt. And we need to find a way to get that changed cause protesting ain't doing crap as we can see. And nobody in the government wants to change that cause it's all in their status quo
@@jsncrso If you're going to be a massive dickhead for no reason, you could at least do it in a way that makes sense.
@@jsncrsoyou seem confused
Not her job to assist in the investigation. The threat of arrest is absolutely insane.
Wrong, she has evidence and should provide it
@@Tangentbordsbluesthey can’t demand it. she has no reason to just give the video over, if she wants to she can but has every right not to, which is how the law works. “Should” has no legal standing
@@Tangentbordsbluesshe is not required to aid pigs in an investigation. The pig got fired and you think this old lady is in the wrong? JFC
@@Tangentbordsblueswrong, they have to get a subpoena first.
The woman should only release the video after several freedom of information forms are filed out for it. Then, after all the hassle and time, she can just black out everything she doesn't want anyone to see.
The police have taught us exactly how they handle it when we want footage of something!
That cop should lose his certification 👹😡
I love this lady. Completely calm, articulate under pressure, a better understanding of the law than police, awesome job.
They treated her like she was a criminal for simply being nearby. Why did they come at her like that and threaten her? Well , I know WHY, they believe they can do what they want.
@@hairysauce3763and then ata gives them a C-, which basically doesn’t denounce this behavior but makes it seems like it’s ok.
ATA is being a bootlicker again. He gave the cops a "C minus" because they didn't beat up the witness, steal her phone, and arrest her? He should have given them an "F" for treating the witness like shit, threatening to arrest her, and failing to get her cooperation. She just wanted to get away from those assholes without getting arrested.
@@thesuperdingosThis is kinda wild to me I’ve officers get worse grades for less from ATA. Feels off.
Because she didn't treat them like rulers of the universe who are above the law.
According to ATA these cops were simply being "passionate" about wanting the video. 😮
The part where they put their hands on her and demand she "back away from them" as if she's the aggressor while they actively approach her and try to bully her away from her own car made my blood boil.
Seen the Police-Videos by SMN Cody Johnston?
?
Reminds me of a time a cop slammed my bedroom door in my face because I had the nerve try to enter it when he was inside with an EMT because my girlfriend had a seizure. My own freaking bedroom!! It slammed my forehead and nearly broke my nose.
They "act" for the cameras!
Thug life!
@@jonm2416 Why would the police respond to an EMT call for a seizure?
And cops continuously mute or turn off their body cams, thus altering and deleting evidence. Should request all the videos of them to see if they tampered with evidence.
No good deed goes unpunished.
How was this not an F???? The whole interaction was completely unnecessary and abhorrent. No reasonable person would ever treat another person that way.
Cause you have to see it from a rights and legalsation methode. Remember the chief got fired after a DIFFERENT infraction where he abused the law.
The officers here are still BAD, but not as bad as some of the F's have... Thats the problem.
Their failure is not as "bad" as someone with a F. Facts over Opinion :/
@@kotlolish An "F" might be too harsh. But C-?!? That's ridiculous! That behavior clearly deserves a "D". Only a bootlicker would consider that interaction satisfactory, which is what a "C" means.
D? Nah D- at best. C is a passable grade and since he got fired... C- is indeed too weak.. D- is better. I do agree on that, F is too harsh, but C is too middling.@@mcraig2237
Have you seen some of the F videos? They showed some restraint in violating someone's rights. There's been many cops who would have arrested her the second she refused anything they asked for or demanded. I will say though trying to illegally sieze her phone by trying to grab it from her does put them in D territory though.
Agreed. The only logic I can apply here is this: reasonable person never applies to cops!
I love how they don't get what they want immediately so it turns to intimidation and they start looking for something to charge her with. It goes to show you that they are not here to protect or serve.
They're protecting and serving themselves.
He just wanted to know if she had a video of him doing anything bad. Pathetic
“This is not my phone.”
“It doesn’t matter!…that’s not my car!”
“…good. Can I have it?” 😂
👮♀️: “so you guys are just out here to be jerks and harass us right?”
That is the most ironic thing I’ve ever heard
over 9000! levels of irony
Self awareness is not required to be a boot
The lady gets an A, the cops get a F.
You're more qualified to be doing these ATA videos, apparently..
They deserve a big ol fat *F-* not a C-..
@@Hmclaren-vc8vfagreed
Agreed. They violated her 4th and only because she jerked her phone away it didn’t get confiscated. All the officers involved need to have LEO certs revoked and fired.
Remember that it's about rights and what they can do. ATA tries to be unbiased but I do dagree C- is too high. More like a D- as they kept threatening a false arrest. F would mean they trampled over her rights over nothing and she be in handcuffs much earlier as the police points out. They aren't good, but they are better then the worst examples. And yes that does sound like "defending them" but it's not. After all we are comparing someone who assault and arrest you for disagreeing, with someone who will assault and arrest you for not giving them what they need ultimately. One is waiting for YOU to make the mistake so they can move in freely (as you saw with the "Fist motion excuse") the other doesn't need a reason but minor annoyance.
Wich is worst? That's opinion! @@Hmclaren-vc8vf
And he gave the last officers who bust through the home on a wrong call DV call with the father and son the same grade as the witness in this video. His grading is horrible. Should just stop grading or give pass or fail scores. He needs to just stop the grading system period. It’s wild and all over the place.
He wants to see what she captured on video before he lies on his reports and hits the guy with bogus charges.
Dude, what is this grade? The officers were horrifically violating this person's fundamental human rights, through means of implication through the color of law. That deserves a less than passing grade.
"Citizens are not obligated to assist an officer with investigations"
Nor should they EVER.
So, if someone murders your family member, you wouldn’t want citizens helping to catch the person? 🤡
"Citizens are not obligated to assist an officer with investigations Nor should they EVER."
Thats an excellent, helpful and community minded suggestion
If y neighbour gets murdered or their children get abducted and raped/sexually abused and i may have heard or seen something youre saying as a citizen i should not help the police investigate the crime..and presumably of you get mugged, assaulted, your kids get sexually abused etc you will obviously not help the police investigate it either, right..
B-b-b-but then how are cops going to do their jobs and get paid tax-dollars if they don't force unpaid citizens to do it for them? 🤨
It's only fair because Cops aren't legally obligated to help citizens according to the Supreme Court.
(and we all saw that in action in Uvalde)
You don't remember Uvalde at all, do you? Cops really did a lot there, didn't they? Or do they like to flex force when not in actual danger? Cops need to stop pretending their job is more dangerous than Pizza delivery.@@JC-zv3cv
Cops: wondering why they're being filmed if it isn't to help them out.
Cops: proceed to show exactly why they're being filmed and not for their benefit.
Bunch of jokes of humans.
The clowns in this carnival are starting to get boring...
The women were hoping to get viral video of the police in the wrong. They ended up getting video of police in the right. They are required under federal law to hand over the evidence as they are a material witness and can be jailed if they refuse to hand over evidence that is vital to the case.
...sub-hunans.
@@sackeshi only when subpoenaed. cops are not judges.
she should've used their line "tell it to the judge, i don't care"...
@@iam4740English mf
More criminal LEOs that won't be held criminally accountable the way they need to be. Its pure insanity that firing a police officer (in the rare cases that happens) is supposedly a replacement for criminal charges that should be filed against these officers. They assaulted this woman and they intimidated a witness.
You are the grimey ones, officers.
That C- should be a D or F. They legit tried to take her phone. They were worried that something on that phone was against their narrative.
Why a C-? The plain clothes cop rolled up on men arguing and inserted himself in a situation unnecessarily. How can you say the woman was verbally and physically aggressive after how she was approached. Complete BS rating!
I dont understand a passing grade for harassing some random citizen that decided to film. These ratings are off
Awhile ago* they had a change of narration, slowly but surely the cops started to become better and better rated for worse and worse interactions
Completely agree. An F is being nice
The ratings are all over the board on this channel. There is no rhyme or reason to how he decides - his "grades" are complete bullshit, hence the reason I have usually stopped watching by the time he gets to them.
I do not agree with ATA’s grades often because he chastises, comments and downgrades often due to citizens exorcising their 1st amendment by using offensive words. To be honest, his comments about not complying when someone doesn’t need to or using language that may offend others aggravate me. Thats why I find myself watching other YTers more and enjoy their videos more.
Funny how they didn’t film the initial encounter with the criminal, but then they have no issue filming themselves intimidating an innocent bystander.
That’s Facts, very convenient for the cops
How did cop become a chief treating people like this¿¿¿Why would anyone help him
Great investigation, i love your videos! The best
The worst part is these cops think they did nothing wrong. It's ridiculous they think it's totally fine and appropriate to behave like this. Just imagine how they act when they know they aren't on camera.
The chief chose termination instead of resigning... That is so odd, isn’t it? It’s a first!
@@anti-ethniccleansing465maybe he had thoughts of filing a wrongful termination suit?
Not sure that would have been a good idea, but it might have been his thought process nonetheless.
@@tanya5322
Sounds quite plausible.
No the worst part of this is having to listen to all the case laws instead of just showing the bwc playback
That's the whole thing. Dirty cop had no body cam on his person and none on the car. He figured he could just insert himself into a situation, say whatever he wanted to say about it and the 'black man' wouldn't be believed. Racist pOs.
Funny how they LOVE video evidence when they’re convinced they’d done nothing wrong. They love it so much they’ll do something wrong to obtain it.
In this video @15:22 , the other female showed her recording to the chief and a third officer.
Exactly. I was inclined to believe the chief made a lawful arrest until he showed how willing he was to violate people for his own self-interest. 😒
Yep. The "just us" system is rigged in their favor, so they believe their despicable behavior towards any citizen is "professional."
The woman should only release the video after several freedom of information forms are filed out for it. Then, after all the hassle and time, she can just black out everything she doesn't want anyone to see.
The police have taught us exactly how they handle it when we want footage of something!
I love this channel. Whenever i feel sad because of the injustice in my country. I Whatch one of your videos
I hate seeing abuse of power.
2:49 Officer: Thats not my car, its the city's
Lady: Can I have it?
Legend
The goat. I was dying
He even said "good one. Touche" 😂😂
@@alexanderthegreat5649lol true
The problem here is that the cops didn't approach her nicely. Then if she refused after their nice request, they simply could have explained the subpoena procedure politely. If she still refused, they could have obtained a warrant or subpoena. Instead, the escalated..
Yup, there were MANY ways to have handled this MUCH better. They could've approached her like HUMANS and asked if she got it on camera, offered their card to her to email it to them, and warned about destroying evidence. They could have also noted her license-plate. They didn't need to act hostile from the start, demand to STEAL her phone (and of course, the PIN and access to everything on it), try to lie about it being a fake traffic-stop, threaten to arrest her, and force her to ID. 😒
Yep. I think the Chief was aggressive because he wanted to watch the video AND conveniently delete it. The woman said several times she never saw the defendant with a knife.
@@B_Bodziak It's the same excuse as always yelling = STOP RESISTING! Or = I smell weed/booze.
She probably would have just given them the video if they had been nice. Cops bring this crap upon themselves, but they are so blinded by their egos they think it's all a conspiracy against them.
But there wasn't probable cause to ID her. 4th amendment. She was protecting her rights.
Love the content. I learn something every time I watch one of these videos
Round of applause for that lady for the way she handled herself and the way she handled the situation. 👏👏 I love how she let them know that grimy cops are no secret and that she would be no part of signing off on their shit
The cops threaten her with arrest if she fails to produce ID, falsely accuse her of assault for "waving her fist", and they filed false charges against her but the cops get a passing grade?!? WTF is wrong with you?
Well said.
Sometimes, I feel ATA is a cop sympathizer
They didn't file charges against her. They were against the guy with the knife.
They didn’t file charges against her… Not sure where you got that idea.
They violated her 4th amendment right though lol so he seems to be going based of his own feelings instead of the constitution since he clearly states they did not violate her 4th @singlekc
The fact that the officer tried to snatch the phone then later pointed out that they could have just taken it really points out their hubris. F in my book.
She doesn't have to cooperate with their investigation
She gets an A+ from me! Nuff said!!
It is crazy that an entire police department doesn’t understand basic legal procedures like filing to get a subpoena for the footage
They completely understand; they’re hoping no one else understands.
Yeah they might not understand. They appear to be very ignorant of the law. But they lie so often no one e can really say. If you record something that’s your material, which would require a supena
yeah.... its amazing how little some of these cops know about the law they supposedly enforce.
@@ryancrazy1Convenient eh.
When she probably would've been happy enough to just send them a copy if they would've done something reasonable like listen when she said she SAW the whole thing, but not that she recorded it. Then again, I once saw a cop claim that he needed the original because making a copy would make it lose quality. Guess he doesn't know the difference between a digital copy and uploading it to some site that would compress it.
So, we are just going to skip the fact that he at the very least assaulted her by throwing that tube of lotion or whatever it was in her direction in an aggressive manner?!
And assault when they try to snatch the phone. She feared physical contact, they didn't have the right to sieze the phone, so it was assault.
ATA is radically bias in favor of police and has a long history of minimizing or omitting police crimes and abuses towards citizens. As an “auditor” he is almost as bad as the evil police he covers for in his videos.
It's not assault. The POLICE threw it at a CITIZEN. Get down and lick boots, scum
Petulant, arrogant behaviour. She was not playing his game.
they get away with murder!
Audit the Audit is needed more than you know
I’ve been binge watching these during a bout with insomnia (great great channel; you provide a real service) and what I’ve come up with is that your channel and channels like yours should be weekly mandatory watching by every police officer in every police department across the Nation. Especially since police departments do not seem to be big on training. It might go a long way to helping the police be more thoughtful and careful (to follow the law) during interactions with the public.
I like how he asks her "what's the point of recording then" when she doesn't have evidence that shows the cop in a good light lmao
You can record things in public in the US, it's their right to record things for her own memories no?
Let's be real.. the chief wanted to see the recording to see if he was in a BAD LIGHT too.
She immediately out smarted both these cops simultaneously, with that, “it ain’t my car, it belongs to the city” & she said, “so can I have it” comment … I was rolling😁😁😁
I was crying they were butt hurt 😭
I was ctfu 😂
I chuckled at that too. 😂
That was so funny even the cops were like touché
She has every right to film the police in their line of duty.
Good lord...these are interesting as heck. Fun listening, and food for thought.
The way that the one cop tried to snatch her phone out of her hand is crazy to me..😮
According to ATA, that's merely C- behavior. What a joke!
How is the attempt itself not “assault”?
And then that same cop said if we were the grimey kind of cop what would stop us from trying to just take the phone
@@timothysmith8982 Which is what he literally tried to do before the other one stopped him, and probably only because the handsy one's body cam was already running. C- is ridiculous.
Chief of Police gets an F, witness gets an A+ end of story.
Wut a surprise
Thanks didn't want to watch it all. Boring af
@@GonFishin-uk8jbso boring you took the time to read the comments and comment yourself huh? OK 😂
@@GonFishin-uk8jb they didn't get an F, they gave this a C-.... the F was just his opinion, which is definitely correct. This channel cuts the cops too much slack and is hardly ever rates them what they deserve.
@@scottporter4524i love Audit the Audit but I'd love to see some slightly more 'cop-critical' interaction auditors (I don't necessarily consider AtA a 'first amendment auditor' because he covers police interactions in general) because I've found myself grading the officers more harshly than AtA does. Do you mind me asking for recommendations of more critical channels?
Yes, she was very rational, and a thumbs up from the honest judge who fired that corrupt cop, and a chief no less.
That lady did awesome! I give her an A+. She has bigger balls and brains than most police.
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She tried to help a houdrat getting free
@@Tangentbordsblues She didn't. Watch again bootlicker. These cops are vile. And if you agree with what they did, you are just as disgusting
She was the person to deescalate the situation and film when the other cop didn’t have is body cam on. A+ for doing the work the cops had to do.
C-??? They held this woman against her will and threatened to arrest her. That is an F!!!
The witness gets an A+
Come on Audit the Audit…this needs to be reevaluated!
Although I agree that the policemen did a terrible job, the grading that ATA uses goes from the worst case to the best case actions that each party does. There are realistic examples of the policemen arresting her purely for not giving her the evidence, or using unreasonable force for believing that the woman was gonna use her fist against her. I have to reiterate that yes, I agree that the policemen were bad, but there are worse things that they could have done to get an F.
He doesn't know about that, I just watch the channel to see the videos. His grades are idiotic most of the time.
@@Oofuya ok
He gave the chief a c minus and that's BS because the chief should have gotten an f an Fffffffff.
I was also rather surprised at this rating.
A "C" rating should be considered as what it is: acceptable but not noteworthy or above average in any way. For law enforcement, that should mean understanding the law (including individual rights) and respecting the law. This is a baseline requirement of the profession, *not* a superlative behavior.
These officers made several statements and actions indicating that, at a minimum, they did not understand their authority. At best, they were ignorant. Worse than that would be *knowledge* of authority but disregard of it. It may be difficult to ascribe intent, but it seems likely that there was minimal ignorance.
I think this goes to at least a D, if not an F. And let's not make the mistake of limiting an F to only the "worst case" scenario. I've never seen a video on this channel that displayed a "worst case" scenario, and I've watched all of them. Furthermore, that's not the baseline of comparison, because that is not the *expectation* of the profession (or any profession).
“That is not my car.” “Good, can I have it?” LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
I didn't see her insertion into the situation. She was filming from a public entity. Justice prevailed.
I love how he tries to say they're not bad cops and they wouldn't do certain things, but definitely did it.
Man, police really want "contempt of cop" to be a crime.
"what would stop us from doing something blatant to get your phone" the cop literally was snatching at her phone
Those grades are way too close together. I demand an Audit of this Audit the Audit.
Threatening and aggressive behaviour is demonstrative of bullies.
This woman is amazing. Those cops knew how bad whatever they did looked. They kept trying to get her to defend the cops position and she was not here for it.
People are really good at distinguishing are you just doing your job or are you being a dick, so be a dick at your own peril. It rarely helps, quite the opposite.
The woman should only release the video after several freedom of information forms are filed out for it. Then, after all the hassle and time, she can just black out everything she doesn't want anyone to see.
The police have taught us exactly how they handle it when we want footage of something!
@@ToxicityAssured Unfortunately, that only works for the government.
Nothing like public servants acting like fools to make it harder for good law enforcement officers.
Nothing like intimidating a witness
I will never understand why police hate telling people what they're under arrest for.
Because many don't know the law and if they tell them the charge at the time, a defense attorney can convert it into a false arrest.
An honest answer a lot of times would be “well…we will come up with something”
Because 9 times out of 10 they have no idea what they’re arresting them for.
I was a trooper for two years in Ohio.
Most 🐷 are clueless cowards.
I agree that this is often very abused.
But give me one moment...I suspect it is permissible so that people have a harder time wiggling out of legitimate charges. It's harder to lie about what you did wrong if you don't know what you are accused of. (kinda like a spouse accusing the other of cheating but not divulging the 'evidence') But, like I said, they abuse it and use it to cover incompetence.
To be clear I am NOT on these cops' side.
Because they have to make up charges.
Cops know they need a warrant, it's policing 101. The only reason they would ask to see video on the street is to get their hands on your recording equipment, and delete any evidence of their own wrongdoing. No warrant, no seizure.
Giving them a C- just makes me think less of you Audit. They get an F.
End qualified immunity, abolish all internal affairs divisions and replace them with civilian oversight with full police powers, they can also oversee the 3 branches of government.
Won't happen. Some people are above the law and the law is not equal for everyone. It won't change because it wouldn't benefit those in power.
10 years and the oversight committee gets corrupted
2 weeks of training is all you need to be a police officer. (or 2 months in some cases)
5 years of law school to be even considered lawyer ready.
Compared the European Officers that require atleast 2 years of training to become a simple officer and 3 years to be a full one.
I wonder why officers from the US are so terrible at their job.
Time to reverse the patriot act. See something say something. Get threatened with arrest.
Why would an officer who gave a completely truthful account of their lawful actions, in full accordance of reality, need to worry about any bystander having an additional objective documentation of said incident? 🤔
The suspect said he was going to have his job for this. I think he wanted the video to prove he did nothing wrong so the suspect wouldn't have a case against him, but it backfired because he lost his job when trying to get the video. LOL!
@@seeya205 Yea he did something even if we didn't notice. Maybe the search, maybe he cheap-shotted him somehow in the take down - a lot of cops like to ram a knee into the ribs or kidney or between the legs during that face down handcuffing technique if the suspect is talking or if it's somebody they don't care for for various reasons.
@@TCK-9 You can't just make up stuff! There was no evidence of that.
@@seeya205Why was the Chief so insistent about getting the video to MAKE SURE it didn't expose what he did? It was worth getting fired over? Yea, he probably did something wrong prior.
@@razorbeard6970 Or maybe so the suspect couldn't make false allegations 🤷
That police chief stinks of being an affirmative action.
Fired is a secondary charge, prosecute the criminal offense to the fullest extent possible. Then gets fired as a afterthought.
She responded EXACTLY as she should've and gets a A+ in my book. Because even though it was her decision to attempt to aid until she was aggressively and disrespectful addressed and threatened.
This is a textbook case of how to make a witness NOT cooperate with the police
Had he approached her respectfully instead of treating her like a criminal the result would have been very different...
Maybe. But now, if she didn't already hate cops, she probably does. Good job, officer dipstick.
I just wish she would’ve held her ground all the way through cuz everything they were telling her about being arrested was just empty threats. They started the interaction as a-holes when they didn’t have to by trying to scare and intimidate her to handing over the phone.
Holy crap, New York hires a lot of tyrants. They better get better at dealing with the public legally.
They're all government employees, of course they're tyrannical
Remember all you get is 2 weeks of training, then giving a gun and badge and hit the street and you have to pick it up from superiors who also only had 2 weeks of training.
And they can get rehired on the SPOT somewhere else.
Meanwhile Lawyers atleast take 5 years of law school, studying the law and processes and need atleast a year of internship to even be qualified as a lawyer.
So even a law student who finishes 1 semester is more knowledgable of the law then an officer. Think about that!
All cops are tyrants
This happens when a state votes blue consistently. They voted for more government, and that's what they're getting.
Especially elmire
That lady is 💯. They attempted to intimidate her and she held her ground need more REAL Americans like her . As a Veteran she has my respect and gratitude
Get a warrant, she doesn’t have to give that to you whether it belongs to her or not. You don’t have to help in the investigation at all.
Chief and his staff have probably been out of control for some time now smh
The witness was filming in landscape. That's almost unheard of these days. I'd give her a higher grade just for that.
This is a BLATANT attempt to sway a potential witness's account. OFF the charts wrong.
I’ve watched so many of ATA’s videos and this one here had me cursing at the screen as if I was that woman