Dude! You are on the right track! Soft knees might be the missing key here though... I'm glad I could help with your journey, and looking forward seeing your 500' golf lines this summer.
I mean, bend the knees and especially let the back leg relax as you fall on the brace. It should be dead meat at that point. Then you don't have to drive it in at all. Just let the rotation happen, and trust your front leg. It can take the weight!
The weight is mostly on the back leg until the plant heel lands, then the back leg has almost no weight as the rotation works its way up the plant leg through the kinetic chain. Paul, Simon, Drew, Eagle, Paige etc. all do that. Schusterick stand-stills are a different thing altogether - he has an unusual plant with a bent knee that pops straight. It's hard to compare that to a run up.
@@BodanzaDiscGolf @DG Spin Doctor On Jaani's Simon Lizotte video he was mentioning sitting down on the front leg. After x-step I tried with the the visioning of sitting down on a invisible chair BUT standing with only front leg. When the front leg is on the ground i try to push the heel down through the ground, with all my power (weight) helped me to get more pressure on it and knees get bent but my front leg still straightens itself in the end! Felt pretty good. Also i have problems with back leg turning too much (unlike you, i'm not flexible at all so it causes me big problems), what has helped ME is that i keep my shoulders already more rotated than i normally would, otherwise my whole body starts to turn. This gives me more time and i can do the "reachback" part with no rush in the world and i don't have to do so big "rotation" that gives me problems with timing and weight shift. Just thought's from the personal experience and what has helped me at least a little. :)
This video couldn't be more perfect for me right now. I've been throwing a one-step standstill for a year now being a noob disc golfer, and now I see where a lot of my power is leaking the most. I'm hitting 300-330 as a 56 yr old man with bad form. The back knee move is huge! Thanks for this. I can't wait to get into the field.
I do a stand still throw for accuracy. Also if my timing feels off I will throw 4 or 5 shots with my eyes closed and just focus on how my body feels and the feeling of my throw. It's amazing how this works for me and gets my timing/rhythm in check super fast. Love your videos!
16:58 is the best throw in the entire video. It may not have been the furthest but it's the cleanest of them, and the behind view showed that it was on a beeline instead of pulling right. There's still some of that upper body tipping forward ahead of the lower body though, I'd even say the weight stays all the way back for too long into the coil. You might want to experiment having the front toe not lift off the ground at all to maintain better posture (literal standstill).
Okaaaay. This was the biggest breakthrough in form for me, thank you SO MUCH Anthony. Went out to do field work and man. Driving my back knee in and "keeping" my front knee in resulted in so much more control and controlled distance almost instantly. And actually instantly for my forehand. After watching more hours of form videos than I've played Witcher III and Elden Ring together, I am amazed that this was never clear to me before now. 400 is not unreachable for me after all.
I really appreciate how much of your journey you are sharing man, this is all super beneficial for me even if I am only throwing half your distance lol
I played in a tournament Sunday in the MA50+ with a guy who one stepped every shot and he out threw all on the card. I started one stepping for the second round and noticed I had a lot more control and bit more distance.
Gonna be working on the brace!! I recorded myself and my form is just straight up trash, and it shows as my control drivers aren’t that far from my distance drivers. Like my max is 320’ on a good day with my 172g fission wave. My stance looks way open and I feel my power just dissapears Been watching spin Dr and will work on some drill. Awesome progress Anthony for only playing since 2020, I’ve played since 2015 and really haven’t put much work into my form. Now that I’ll be home since I’ve been traveling as a nurse, I’ve been spending a lot of my free time at my local course, and hope to be working on my form as well.
5:55 is the correct spot you should be looking at. It's in the beginning where your form deviates. That coil with your back needs to cock back more and push that weight going straight! This is the catalyst and where you'll feel everything else fall into place. Your weight needs to go straight forward. Not diagonally into the disc. You will then feel the weight going so straight, when you set your front foot down(point it back very slightly because you ARE at angle to release straight) you will feel this drive into the ground naturally. Let your weight come straight forward and this will lift your body by itself. After all of this, you can begin your uncoiling to transfer this to your shoulder, arm, wrist and fingertips. Your upper body at this point is just a guide. Keep loose and let the pocket form itself. Good luck. I'm a fan of the channel. Hope this helps in any way. Disclosure, I'm not a pro. I'm learning this same thing. It's more effortless distance for me.
Sorry, to also add: Everyone does this different, but I like to keep my arm slightly out to give space to my left hip driving in, before I bring my upper body into the pocket. This to me, I think is just comfort preference. I hope you see this and it gives you some clarity.
Love seeing how quickly you picked this up. I've been chatting with Jaani off and on for a bit, but I still haven't been able to connect the dots and get this all together. You're doing great!
That guys video is right on. The toe to heal really gives the disc a chance to lag a little and hit the real “power pocket” if you combine his video with slingshots first video on lag you will have it. Don’t pay any attention to slingshots run up or anything els he says beside the lag of the disc. Dude is a little agro on the what should be a slow controlled walk up. The only thing that matters is TIMING. To all people struggling. You are throwing the disc. A correct drive is your body causing your arm to whip like a towel/whip. You can throw an upshot just not a drive unless you want it to go as far as an upshot.
I had a very similar problem with my timing and I did a different method of fixing it than most coaches suggest. I cued myself to start my coil later by thinking about moving my leg towards the plant before starting the coil. By coiling at my normal speed, I can adjust my timing with just one cue
Dude I totally agree with you on this one I did nothing but stand still for the first few months and with in the last couple months is when I started running up.
Your left foot is turned way backwards. For me, it helped a TON to do the runup on the balls of my left foot but walking normally with my right. If the left heel plants, you can't push and rotate at the same time, so you're going to have to choose. If you're on your toes, your body does the right thing with the force automatically. It was Albert's warmup that cinched that part for me. Check it out in his "Mile Challenge" video (where he swivels on the heel with one foot and the toes on the other).
Looking at the slow motion videos and thinking about the elbow being sore, I wonder if you are holding tension in shoulder and elbow then forcing the throw? It could result not only in slowing your speed, but also adding unnecessary tension at the elbow from firing the tricep aggressively and then hyperextending at the elbow. Try to see what would happen if you relaxed more in shoulder and elbow to see what would happen.
Looking good! That left arm and left leg should engage together I think. At least that’s what I tell myself. Once the left arm goes, I start the hip rotation as the left arm goes down the left leg pushes off with it.
As far as stand stills. In my 26 years of disc I’ve known about 5 people that throw standstill every drive. Including a guy named Jacob from DeLa with one leg that crushed. All threw so acutely. You won’t throw 500’ with a stand still but you won’t throw 500’ without a perfect timing. I definitely see you hitting the 500’ mark now that you are on the right track.
One problem with my elbow was that I was practicing without a disc. If you are doing this then it might be the cause. Also, one way I think about throwing is that it’s a whip. Your plant foot starts it, then your shoulder, then elbow and hand. Just what I’ve noticed
It looks like you're throwing hyzer when you walk up and anhyzer when you do one step. I bet you're getting extra distance because of the anhyzer release. I'd love to see all the throws on the same angle and if that changes the results.
Any time I round/mess up my drive. I slow down my walk up.helps every time. On the same note. Jumping is messing up your putts. If you come to Cali. Hit me up when you go to the OTB open. I can help your putt.
I went back to standstill last fall when i came back after a few years off and some health problems. Ive got such a long way to go still. i was hoping to be able to compete in league this summer but its not looking good. I can't justify the cost of it if im going to come in last place every week 🤣🤣
I'm getting older, 44 and playing only 2 years this go around(didn't catch on 15 years ago with no RUclips) and figured out I needed to work on my flexibility. Especially in my legs. The more they stretched, the more power I could get out of it.
I think the distance your feet are from each other is big because if you watch a lot of guys they don’t go super far apart with their feet in their throw except Eagle but he’s special.
I'm throwing about 410 consistently right now but I've been trying to work on my form a lot more lately and there's so many different things to tweak I find it so overwhelming
Man I can't even break 300', if I were to guess I'd say my average throw is about maybe 240'. Sad part is, I've been playing for a pretty long time. But I never knew what I was doing right or wrong, never had any type of instructions or tips, and until about 2 years ago, never even watched any YT videos on forms or throwing. So I have many years of bad form engraved in my mind and body and I've had no luck fixing my form. I've never recorded myself throwing but I can tell you now my form in nowhere as good as his or most other disc golfers. If I made a video and asked for tips on what I need to do to improve, people wouldn't even know where to start as far as offering advice.
@Matthew Wilson I do, and I had a net in my backyard at one point, only used it for working on my drives for traditional golf. Net kinda fell apart on me last winter with all the ice it had on it,destroyed the frame so I tossed it. May get another one. Do you use any particular net or would any net made for traditional golf work fine for disc golf? Probably need to invest in a tripod as well so I can record my throws
Timing, Timing, Timing. Sometimes we get too bogged down with details. Every pro preaches timing. Just do whatever you can to make sure your timing is on point. If it's standstill, do it. Slow walk up, do it. Run up, do it. James Conrad cross country run up, do it. And yes, the head does nothing.
you have great lag whith the stand still vs on the run up like youre getting ahead of yourself being too quick .. run up qith legs but be standstill slow with upper body for the lag..
I don't know if you've experimented with this or not but I found my (by far) strongest pull when in my cross-step I accelerate forward with my left foot, hop upward (airborn) with my right foot while turning kind of like a figure skater does, plant my left foot down almost facing to the rear, then stomp my right foot back down as I pull through. It could be horrible timing for all I know but it gets me more distance than any other way I throw.
Your timing isn't why your stand stills and run ups go the same distance. Its because your hip engagement and weight transfer are the same between the two. You're trying way too hard to force everything, its all pretty effortless.
Reach back happens when you keep the disc still and body moves forward. You should not push disc backwards. If you look at Eagle, Simon and many others arm is reached back the maximum about the same time when front foot touches the ground. and when front foot touches the ground, back knee starts moving towards front leg thigh and after that comes hips, shoulders arm etc. There is no actual reach back. Disc stays still and reach back happens automatically when your body moves forward and disc stays still. That is how almost every pro throws.
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Dude! You are on the right track! Soft knees might be the missing key here though...
I'm glad I could help with your journey, and looking forward seeing your 500' golf lines this summer.
oooh, what do you mean by soft knees?!?
I mean, bend the knees and especially let the back leg relax as you fall on the brace. It should be dead meat at that point. Then you don't have to drive it in at all. Just let the rotation happen, and trust your front leg. It can take the weight!
The weight is mostly on the back leg until the plant heel lands, then the back leg has almost no weight as the rotation works its way up the plant leg through the kinetic chain. Paul, Simon, Drew, Eagle, Paige etc. all do that. Schusterick stand-stills are a different thing altogether - he has an unusual plant with a bent knee that pops straight. It's hard to compare that to a run up.
On run-up drives, Schusterick has his weight back until plant too, examples: ruclips.net/video/xKPZmZDxP9s/видео.html
@@BodanzaDiscGolf @DG Spin Doctor On Jaani's Simon Lizotte video he was mentioning sitting down on the front leg. After x-step I tried with the the visioning of sitting down on a invisible chair BUT standing with only front leg. When the front leg is on the ground i try to push the heel down through the ground, with all my power (weight) helped me to get more pressure on it and knees get bent but my front leg still straightens itself in the end! Felt pretty good.
Also i have problems with back leg turning too much (unlike you, i'm not flexible at all so it causes me big problems), what has helped ME is that i keep my shoulders already more rotated than i normally would, otherwise my whole body starts to turn. This gives me more time and i can do the "reachback" part with no rush in the world and i don't have to do so big "rotation" that gives me problems with timing and weight shift.
Just thought's from the personal experience and what has helped me at least a little. :)
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This video couldn't be more perfect for me right now. I've been throwing a one-step standstill for a year now being a noob disc golfer, and now I see where a lot of my power is leaking the most. I'm hitting 300-330 as a 56 yr old man with bad form. The back knee move is huge! Thanks for this. I can't wait to get into the field.
I do a stand still throw for accuracy. Also if my timing feels off I will throw 4 or 5 shots with my eyes closed and just focus on how my body feels and the feeling of my throw. It's amazing how this works for me and gets my timing/rhythm in check super fast.
Love your videos!
16:58 is the best throw in the entire video. It may not have been the furthest but it's the cleanest of them, and the behind view showed that it was on a beeline instead of pulling right. There's still some of that upper body tipping forward ahead of the lower body though, I'd even say the weight stays all the way back for too long into the coil. You might want to experiment having the front toe not lift off the ground at all to maintain better posture (literal standstill).
Okaaaay. This was the biggest breakthrough in form for me, thank you SO MUCH Anthony. Went out to do field work and man. Driving my back knee in and "keeping" my front knee in resulted in so much more control and controlled distance almost instantly. And actually instantly for my forehand. After watching more hours of form videos than I've played Witcher III and Elden Ring together, I am amazed that this was never clear to me before now.
400 is not unreachable for me after all.
I really appreciate how much of your journey you are sharing man, this is all super beneficial for me even if I am only throwing half your distance lol
I played in a tournament Sunday in the MA50+ with a guy who one stepped every shot and he out threw all on the card. I started one stepping for the second round and noticed I had a lot more control and bit more distance.
Gonna be working on the brace!! I recorded myself and my form is just straight up trash, and it shows as my control drivers aren’t that far from my distance drivers. Like my max is 320’ on a good day with my 172g fission wave. My stance looks way open and I feel my power just dissapears
Been watching spin Dr and will work on some drill. Awesome progress Anthony for only playing since 2020, I’ve played since 2015 and really haven’t put much work into my form.
Now that I’ll be home since I’ve been traveling as a nurse, I’ve been spending a lot of my free time at my local course, and hope to be working on my form as well.
5:55 is the correct spot you should be looking at. It's in the beginning where your form deviates. That coil with your back needs to cock back more and push that weight going straight! This is the catalyst and where you'll feel everything else fall into place. Your weight needs to go straight forward. Not diagonally into the disc. You will then feel the weight going so straight, when you set your front foot down(point it back very slightly because you ARE at angle to release straight) you will feel this drive into the ground naturally. Let your weight come straight forward and this will lift your body by itself. After all of this, you can begin your uncoiling to transfer this to your shoulder, arm, wrist and fingertips. Your upper body at this point is just a guide. Keep loose and let the pocket form itself. Good luck. I'm a fan of the channel. Hope this helps in any way. Disclosure, I'm not a pro. I'm learning this same thing. It's more effortless distance for me.
Sorry, to also add: Everyone does this different, but I like to keep my arm slightly out to give space to my left hip driving in, before I bring my upper body into the pocket. This to me, I think is just comfort preference. I hope you see this and it gives you some clarity.
Love seeing how quickly you picked this up. I've been chatting with Jaani off and on for a bit, but I still haven't been able to connect the dots and get this all together. You're doing great!
That guys video is right on. The toe to heal really gives the disc a chance to lag a little and hit the real “power pocket” if you combine his video with slingshots first video on lag you will have it. Don’t pay any attention to slingshots run up or anything els he says beside the lag of the disc. Dude is a little agro on the what should be a slow controlled walk up. The only thing that matters is TIMING. To all people struggling. You are throwing the disc. A correct drive is your body causing your arm to whip like a towel/whip. You can throw an upshot just not a drive unless you want it to go as far as an upshot.
Love watching the journey, keep making these.
I had a very similar problem with my timing and I did a different method of fixing it than most coaches suggest. I cued myself to start my coil later by thinking about moving my leg towards the plant before starting the coil. By coiling at my normal speed, I can adjust my timing with just one cue
I don’t know why, but this concept is breaking my brain😂
Dude I totally agree with you on this one I did nothing but stand still for the first few months and with in the last couple months is when I started running up.
Your left foot is turned way backwards. For me, it helped a TON to do the runup on the balls of my left foot but walking normally with my right. If the left heel plants, you can't push and rotate at the same time, so you're going to have to choose. If you're on your toes, your body does the right thing with the force automatically. It was Albert's warmup that cinched that part for me. Check it out in his "Mile Challenge" video (where he swivels on the heel with one foot and the toes on the other).
❤ that you didn’t waste anytime sharing all this 👍❤️
Looking at the slow motion videos and thinking about the elbow being sore, I wonder if you are holding tension in shoulder and elbow then forcing the throw? It could result not only in slowing your speed, but also adding unnecessary tension at the elbow from firing the tricep aggressively and then hyperextending at the elbow. Try to see what would happen if you relaxed more in shoulder and elbow to see what would happen.
Looking good! That left arm and left leg should engage together I think. At least that’s what I tell myself. Once the left arm goes, I start the hip rotation as the left arm goes down the left leg pushes off with it.
As far as stand stills. In my 26 years of disc I’ve known about 5 people that throw standstill every drive. Including a guy named Jacob from DeLa with one leg that crushed. All threw so acutely. You won’t throw 500’ with a stand still but you won’t throw 500’ without a perfect timing. I definitely see you hitting the 500’ mark now that you are on the right track.
i noticed my standstill was better than my run up today. Time to keep watching
I’ve always known I skipped a step. I played like 2 rounds standstill early on and was like, “ok, I got it!”. I don’t got it. 😅
One problem with my elbow was that I was practicing without a disc. If you are doing this then it might be the cause. Also, one way I think about throwing is that it’s a whip. Your plant foot starts it, then your shoulder, then elbow and hand. Just what I’ve noticed
It looks like you're throwing hyzer when you walk up and anhyzer when you do one step. I bet you're getting extra distance because of the anhyzer release. I'd love to see all the throws on the same angle and if that changes the results.
Any time I round/mess up my drive. I slow down my walk up.helps every time. On the same note. Jumping is messing up your putts. If you come to Cali. Hit me up when you go to the OTB open. I can help your putt.
I went back to standstill last fall when i came back after a few years off and some health problems. Ive got such a long way to go still. i was hoping to be able to compete in league this summer but its not looking good. I can't justify the cost of it if im going to come in last place every week 🤣🤣
I'm getting older, 44 and playing only 2 years this go around(didn't catch on 15 years ago with no RUclips) and figured out I needed to work on my flexibility. Especially in my legs. The more they stretched, the more power I could get out of it.
I think the distance your feet are from each other is big because if you watch a lot of guys they don’t go super far apart with their feet in their throw except Eagle but he’s special.
something i think that is heling me to get me from toe to heel on planting leg is flexing my right thigh as my toe hits.
I'm throwing about 410 consistently right now but I've been trying to work on my form a lot more lately and there's so many different things to tweak I find it so overwhelming
I would literally be super happy to take the form that you have 😂 I'm blown away how uncomfortable I look when I throw
Man I can't even break 300', if I were to guess I'd say my average throw is about maybe 240'. Sad part is, I've been playing for a pretty long time. But I never knew what I was doing right or wrong, never had any type of instructions or tips, and until about 2 years ago, never even watched any YT videos on forms or throwing. So I have many years of bad form engraved in my mind and body and I've had no luck fixing my form. I've never recorded myself throwing but I can tell you now my form in nowhere as good as his or most other disc golfers. If I made a video and asked for tips on what I need to do to improve, people wouldn't even know where to start as far as offering advice.
@@crimsontide1980 do you have room at your place to put up a net that helped me out big time?. Throw discs into a net and work on your form and power
@Matthew Wilson I do, and I had a net in my backyard at one point, only used it for working on my drives for traditional golf. Net kinda fell apart on me last winter with all the ice it had on it,destroyed the frame so I tossed it. May get another one. Do you use any particular net or would any net made for traditional golf work fine for disc golf? Probably need to invest in a tripod as well so I can record my throws
@@crimsontide1980 honestly the cheapest way I found is I got a $60 soccer net from Walmart and it works pretty good
Timing, Timing, Timing. Sometimes we get too bogged down with details. Every pro preaches timing. Just do whatever you can to make sure your timing is on point. If it's standstill, do it. Slow walk up, do it. Run up, do it. James Conrad cross country run up, do it. And yes, the head does nothing.
yep, timing 100%
you have great lag whith the stand still vs on the run up like youre getting ahead of yourself being too quick .. run up qith legs but be standstill slow with upper body for the lag..
I don't know if you've experimented with this or not but I found my (by far) strongest pull when in my cross-step I accelerate forward with my left foot, hop upward (airborn) with my right foot while turning kind of like a figure skater does, plant my left foot down almost facing to the rear, then stomp my right foot back down as I pull through. It could be horrible timing for all I know but it gets me more distance than any other way I throw.
Your timing isn't why your stand stills and run ups go the same distance. Its because your hip engagement and weight transfer are the same between the two. You're trying way too hard to force everything, its all pretty effortless.
Wtf, where did all that hair come from?
I bet you would have a more consisrent nose angle if you kept your disc level on the reach back
Slingshot discgolf talks about waiting to reach back untill you anchor front foot maybe try that
Reach back happens when you keep the disc still and body moves forward. You should not push disc backwards. If you look at Eagle, Simon and many others arm is reached back the maximum about the same time when front foot touches the ground. and when front foot touches the ground, back knee starts moving towards front leg thigh and after that comes hips, shoulders arm etc.
There is no actual reach back. Disc stays still and reach back happens automatically when your body moves forward and disc stays still. That is how almost every pro throws.
@@kimmomatikainen1843 Yes i knkw that it was what he said and it could work for him
But when Will plants, the disc is already on plane, yours is damned near vertical.
Distance = 1. Environment; 2. Disc; and 3. Form. You can get over 500. You might even do it before I do. I'm due.
Dude, did you shoot your phone with a BB gun?
lol no, way worse, I just pressed down on it when it was on a corner of my van in my desk lol