This drill fixes EVERYTHING in the disc golf backhand - Swirly Bird
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- Опубликовано: 28 апр 2024
- This drill has proven extremely helpful for naturally fixing all of the bad habits people have built up over the years. Try it yourself!
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Golden! Nothing forced is good. The problem, as you mention, is that many amateurs don't push DOWN but they push UP. That is why the knee locks straight and the torso lifts up too fast.
Keep up the good work Blitz!
Could you elaborate on the down vs up? Do you mean that when you extend your front leg you should be pushing down into the ground?
@@TheKebabFTW I don't say you need to extend the front leg. Think about it this way: try to "crush the can" and really flatten it under your foot like, make it a piece of tin foil. That is how you push DOWN with all your bodyweight and strength. The other way would be to bounce up hastily as soon as your foot hits the can. That way the can would never flatten, and you don't get the weight shift done.
Sorry for chiming in like this. I don't want to hijack Blitz's channel's comment section any more than this.
Good luck!
@@dgspindoctor so put more weight on your front foot, as if you're trying to crush a can underneath your foot?
@@SoowDeJu More pressure. When you push to the ground, the ground pushes back. As Blitz says, people make this way too complicated. Just let the body work!
What up Doc!
Blitz had me doing this on a video call the other day. My third session doing this I hit a speed PR (57.8mph). I nearly hit the PR while on the call with him. My second session fell just short as well. Then my third session and boom!
But what is even crazier is that it felt like I wasn’t even trying. My previous speed PR was obtained by jamming my off arm into the body and my throwing arm felt like it was slamming as hard as an arm could possibly be used.
Now I am hitting upper 50s and my arms aren’t even doing anything! It freaking works.
Guys this is gold right here listen to what he is saying and look at what he’s doing, it’s simple. Couldn’t have said it better myself. Great video bro🤙
Was playing a round today where my drives felt like a lot of effort for not-so-great results. About halfway through I said to my buddy after a particularly bad (and way too effortful) drive, let me try something. So I took a deep breath and threw another of the same disc just doing this drill. The drive was way cleaner and farther for so much less effort. Just kept throwing like that and it saved my round! Definitely going to work on encoding this into my form. Thanks!
Easy is smooth, smooth is fast, fast is far. Plus it's 10x easier to actually hit your line when you are putting 60-70% effort into it vs. 90-100%.
Good stuff and you’re touching on what I think most of us struggle with the hardest: PATIENCE
The brace is one of those things I feel like is over talked about in disc golf. Some people need to actively work on it, but most people don't. However because it gets talked up so much people put an abnormal amount of importance into it. Disc golf needs more drills like this where we're not just isolating the one mechanism, but instead viewing the system more holistically. Appreciate the work you're putting in here Blitz.
This is a great point. A lot of people - myself included - get distracted by little changes. There's tons of those. The big changes that instill the fundamentals are worth spending the time on, and the tweaks can be done later. I was trying what Blitz said as I watched the video and I think this drill will help me, and will be doing them as well.
Yes and no. I see a lot of people in the Power DG Academy posting every day that struggle hard core with proper bracing. Falling over the front foot, knees bent to ridiculous angles, etc. Ezra's bracing video is probably one of the best we have.
I get what you are saying and agree that a lot of times a more wholistic approach is good. But there are plenty of people who don't understand how to brace and take a long time to do so. I've coached sofball for nearly 20 years and it's the same there.
@@discsmd Yeah I think once you have the brace down you probably don't have to revisit it. But if you don't, it can be really hard to grasp. For me I understand objectively that I need to plant before I throw, but in the learning process I managed to mess up the timing and I'm starting the throw before I've planted, and it became muscle memory. I think that's why a lot of people have a problem with the disc golf backhand - they get too many things wrong, built into muscle memory, and the challenge is to correct course. I think this drill may do that for me, and hopefully for others. 🙂
@@NickCarroll yeah I agree with that for sure.
@@discsmd There are certainly going to be people who need instruction. My point is more that bracing is a natural bodily motion. We naturally know how to slow ourselves down and oppose a motion. The x-step is a weird sideways walk. If we wanted to stop a sideways walk without the context of the throw most people would probably intuit how to do it. We should lean into that when teaching people the mechanics.
You can see Anttila keeping this at the core of his deliveries. It’s so smooth and effortless.
I used the twirly bird today and threw my musket 333’ on a lazer straight line. It felt smooth and effortless. I want to practice more standstills and rework my game. Thanks for the video.
this is awesome. I think the twirly bird overlooks the lower body a little, in that drill you just spin your hips to get the feel of whipping a relaxed arm. It makes so much more sense when you add the compresion of the plant leg and emphasis on patience/timing. Would love to hear your thoughts on how you'd incoporate this into a run up/x-step.
Yeah man. Patience is the key here. And also feeling how your body moves. There's a reason young kids pick up the form so well. It's because they don't get bogged down in details. They just do what feels natural to them. Tough for someone who is 50 to experience that but we need to try. Great stuff!
One thing I would focus on as well is keeping your head neutral and down. You don't want to be looking over your driving shoulder towards your target before or even as you release. You're losing a lot of power like that. You want to "HIT" your release point and everything after that is follow through. This means, on release, your nose (the one on your face lol) should be pointed at or behind your point of release. Otherwise, you're just opening your coil up and creating a power leak.
The best drill to put all the pieces together for a powerful throw that develops the three most important elements. Rhythm, Timing and Tempo. Bonus, good basic form.
One of the only drills one will ever need.
Infinity Twirly Bird 2.0.
Great nuanced commenary! The "feel" based cues are very helpful, similar to SpinDoctor and Nick Krush's form breakdowns.
The patience before the extention/ elbow drift you talked about is the main thing ive been drilling for the past few weeks. Adding in a towel for this type of drill is huge for feedback/assessing how well youre actually doing the drill. When its all timed up correctly, you can hear the difference in how the towel pops. Nick's video about the brace progression drills really got me into using the towel to dial in during warm ups.
SpinDoctor talks about this alot too, patience in the pull. Early rotation = late release
Such a good drill! Thanks for making the video for it
Thanks for all the free content, Clint.
You are bringing together all of this form advice I have heard and making it make sense!
Super helpful! Thanks 🙏
This helped me a ton! Does take time. Also helps with warm ups!
Great stuff! What unlocked the secret to me was thinking/feeling like the arm is a pendulum following the opposite leg both in the run up and in the throw. Now I’m just trying to integrate angle control and getting a better flow in my run up.
This works! Lunch break well spent.
Super helpful
Another great video. This bracelet of which you speak translates smoothly into timing.
I have been bracing wrong for several years now. My max speed on full send is 58mph and this drill got my stand still speed to 55mph. Good stuff!
Good job, once again. Totally agree with the patience. That is something that is also called as late acceleration
My form feels much more fluid and relaxed after doing this exercise properly. Thank you!
Just found your channel, this is a great video.
Really good Clint - This really relates to the modern ball golf swing. Pressure lands first > then the swing.
I should have seen this years ago. Thank you!
Watching this at 10pm, wishing I saw this earlier so I could go in my back yard and practice. Will report back tomorrow after work but a lot of this makes so much sense.
I looked frame by frame at your "yanking" move at 6:30 and ooooof that looks exactly like the drives I've recorded of myself. Welp, looks like I have found something good to work on! I've felt very hardstuck in terms of distance for a while now.
He's absolutely correct. I did watch ot a while ago and saw the twirls bird, probably had oh oh snap I get it moment. But I work on drilling rigs so for some1 new and only playing in 2 week increments, and not touching a disc whatsoever while on hitch it's hard to retain form and info you have learned. So I probably got back home was struggling then as I hit youtube, watched another 100 videos that had me trying all sorts of different things yet again. So foursome who is decently athletic and can implement power...this right here is 10000 percent that, oh its finally clicked moment. Great job on getting this info out there and giving the credit where it's due
i like Chris Dickerson form you can really see how he waiiits to that last second to pull through .. smaller guy not athletic really but throws far and accurately!
Thx for the vid. How to know if ones too patient?
Perfectly distilled.
Damn dude this is so on point…the last month I’ve been slowly regaining distance after a 6+ year hiatus (wasn’t great back then either, lol) so I’m almost in the 225-300 range consistently but it’s absolutely with the “Frankenstein” over-exertion style form you’re talking about. Stoked to try this, thanks for the tips man you rock.
Ima keep it a buck. This is the wake up call I needed.
Was just practicing with my eyes closed this habit is hard af to break
Hah. I was just thinking about closing my eyes and do a stand still throw and focus on what my body is doing rather than forcing individual stepsvideo!! Great video!!
Be patient. I always think that on a throw and I just want to get rid of the disc as fast as I can. So, I'm out of synch constantly.
Okay I’m learning how to throw back all over again to get the whole “Not using my arm only fling”. You’re right so many of these techniques have me feeling like a clunky robot. 2 days ago I found a video from some Slingshot channel that helped a lot with similar thought processes, this seems to be a more rhythmic version of that. I’ll have try and report back
I'm a new player working on form. But more specifically I never played a sport in any real way. And so when my body is firing off wrong and my elbow is hurting, my condition (athletidumb) causes me to not grow. It's basically twice as hard for me to understand what my body is saying. I'm like a Pokemon that injures itself trying a move. Add in grip, hips, arm draw path, the pocket, "explosiveness", walk up, foot placement, pulling the lawn mower cord, pouring coffee, on and on. You might as well go get the full body cast.
This is the first thing that has made me understand when someone says good players don't think about arm strength to throw far. Close your eyes and feel it. That makes sense to me somehow. Thanks for this. This feels like the way.
So I can report back with better numbers I have only ever thrown 300+ like a few lucky times forehand! I'm more like 225 on backhand driving (nose up trying 10 techniques). I'm going to flow like water and tell you where I get.
Do you have exercises for more back/hip/coil/reachback mobility? I feel like i get blocked in the back and dont get full coil/reachback..
Definitely going to give this a try next field work session! Just FYI, the discord link in the description says it has expired.
Refreshing that bad boy now!
Awesome video. Which Tech Disc do you use? Distance Driver? And which plastic? Discraft ESP or Innova star?
Video before this one reviews the tech disc I'm using!
Lovely ❤ This is the missing piece of understanding twirly bird. 🐥 But... what about the rotation around the right heel? I mean if I throw hard from twirly, I'm gonna break my right knee if I don't rotate the right heel at some point. So, any tips for that?
This is great man. Can’t wait to get out this week. When you say “start to be more abrupt with the brace”, what am I focusing on from a feeling standpoint? More force “downward”
into the ground?
It’s stopping your forward momentum faster, but I think focusing on a single part is how people end up doing funky stuff. Feel the initial drill and then focus on making it faster. Your body will know what to do.
@@BlitzDG got it!
Hey Blitz, thanks so much for this. Do I have this correct, the tension in the upper body is just enough and aligned to keep the swing plane, the weight shift sort of glides the arm into the pocket and then once in the pocket with weight shift complete, the disc comes out of the pocket and is aided by the completion of the brace and its shift/rotation of the hips at that end point "push down"? How does that final timing work ideally? Is the brace force ejecting the disc from the pocket or is it the arm initiating, and the brace catching up to the moving disc to add to the system? The patience part to get the disc to the pocket is such an "aha" for me, these pesky dude arms want to hog the show!
I don't teach or focus on the arm doing anything OUT of the pocket. That should all just be an automatic ejection based on stored energy and a bunch of coil, along with the upper rotating just enough to let the disc pop out. I try to focus on just a forward motion and the arc to eject is a byproduct.
@@BlitzDG Thank you much! I shall return to the video and tech disc classroom, wish me luck! Simplicity is a gift, much appreciated!
Here is my question. I have an issue I think of where I start my pull through/swing/rotation, whatever term you want to use too early. My foot his hitting the exact same time I'm starting to rotate instead of me planting then throwing. Any drills or ways to get it in my mind/body to fix that. Plant go. Instead of planting and going the exact same time or a second early
Or is this the main drill to work with
This drill should work great for that. The main purpose of it is to learn to naturally brace and sharpen timing.
Signature disc called the "Boom" coming when exactly?
This makes to much sense, I’m going back to this drill now. Two months into the sport, hours a day and I’m practicing the wrong things here. Also, I have to know what are you using to measure the speed and the other stats on the throws? Thanks 🙏
Using a TechDisc. I have other videos on it specifically!
Do you still do free coaching?
My tech disc finally came in and now I’m saving for a net.
Just hang a blanket
7:39 😂
Good advice! Guessing you never watched my "Standstill Figure 8 Motion Pattern" and "Double Dragon Drill" vids.
I think I have seen the double dragon one. You linked it to me. I’ll check out the figure 8 one tomorrow.
Thanks! Nice to see agreement. Adds more credence to the advice being presented
once i got angle of body on the run up correct everything else fell into place.. the brace.. the angle of planter foot , so many things for me was fixed when i stopped walking up purely sideways and started walking up somewhere in between sideways and backwards to my target.. im 6ft 1 only 145lb and i can throw 570ft on a xstep with no run up in no wind on flat ground..
Wait so when you throw should your shoulders be pulled back (retracted) like when your lifting or doing chests lifts, or should you let them push forward away from your body??
No retracto. This is covered in multiple of my vids!
@@BlitzDG I will never retracto I promise!
Hey Clint, a little confused by the “extend” part. Do you mean extend the arm or the leg? I’ve always been so confused because there are so many contradicting videos out there about “you don’t use your arm at all” vs “you have to use your arm to pull the disc through”. Like, do we every use the arm at all or is it left completely lose the entire time?
Extend in this video is referring to the leg. Getting the disc forward with the arm allows you to add more rotation without collapse, so I'd say the answer is both in the long run.
@@BlitzDG thank you sir!
@@BlitzDG can I please get a short zoom/discord session with you so you can see exactly what I’m doing wrong in regards to this video? Did filed work yesterday using this drill only and couldn’t throw more than 200 ft. 😭😭😭
I feel with butt back, my arm pulls away from the pocket and I'm too outside to get a good throw. If i use my legs only, my dift only gets to the left pac and every thing ive heard. My mobility clearly needs work. I would appreciate a comment or esprcially a video on this. Either way, liked and subbed. Good shit brother.
Watched the video.
Went downstairs to fire up the techdisc at 11pm.
Follow video instructions.
No change.
I've been playing for 3 months. Throw between 53-58mph, 950-1150rpm. Outside usually anywhere from 300-375 foot throws.
I'm almost positive my issue is timing, but I just can't get it. Nothing feels right when I try to change. Hopefully one of these days it will finally click and I can start getting 400+ foot.
Jump in the disc, tag me. I got you.
I've been struggling for 2 years.
I hope I will get it with this help - sounds solid.
Hey. One thing - I think I'm doing things the correct way in principle, but I'm still throwing only 330 f. Maybe my problem is the speed at which I'm shifting the weight?
For example, you seem to be swinging here quite slowly back and forth. But when you actually throw, you swing very quickly.
Is this the missing part? The speed at which to brace?
Yes you need to abruptly extend to add power.
@@BlitzDG I think you are talking about extending the arm. This is another point, but maybe even more important.
This is also something which I have been doing wrong - not fully extending the arm. The Overthrow whip video explained this. Found in through your channel.
@@RBadding I am not. I dont extend my arm at all. I'm talking about extending the front leg.
@@BlitzDG Ok. I have been doing that quite slowly, probably.
7:10 If I leave my arm loose the disc hits the back of my left shoulder
Probably rushing the back shoulder in.
I've been struggling for 2 years, but gotten a little better this year. I tried this, but this didn't help me that much. I got back to the X-step, which feels like there is a sturdier brace and I can rotate around the brace leg more naturally
I can throw only about 100 meters (330 feet), so not a huge distance.
Also, this kind of swinging action isn't really used in disc golf. This swinging action probably generates more power from the weight transfer, but in reality the swinging action isn't used.
Is there more power being generated from the legs than just weight transfer?
Maybe the back leg generates some power?
@@RBadding I suggest watching @NickKrush.DGandFit "Demystifying the Disc Golf Brace" video series. He explains the kinetic chain of transferring your forward momentum/kinetic energy into rotational energy when you brace. Really good videos from a brilliant guy. I might watch them all again now that I'm thinking of it.
RE your back leg: In a run-up/X-step, you aren't using your back leg for power at all, as you gain momentum from the run-up. However, in a standstill, you are using your backleg to kind of push your body forward/shift your weight forward so you have kinetic energy to convert into rotational energy, since your body doesn't start the brace with momentum like you do in a run-up. At least, that's my understanding.
Also, 330ft is actually quite good. Our view of 'good' distance can be skewed by the internet where the big distance people are more likely to comment their distance, and/or exaggerate their distance. See this site: discgolfmentor.com/average-drive-distance-in-disc-golf/
Fuck. I twirly bird before most rounds, but just to get loose. I never realized I was actually bracing, I was just thinking more about the motion of my arms; never my lower half.
It’s been rainy af here, but I’ll go do fieldwork in a bit and report back!
How tall are you and how much can you bench press? You don’t mention it, but I swear this must give you a sizable advantage. 72mph! I challenge you to bring on your shortest student to demonstrate achieving 72mph with the twirly bird method. I’m not convinced that size and height aren’t a huge factor in this drill.
Im around 5'10" and I bench 330. Has absolutely nothing to do with the drill or timing. Your results may vary in speed, but the idea is sound. If you're shorter or smaller you might not hit 70, but you can definitely hit 65, and that's probably more than you're throwing right now.
@@BlitzDG I’m 5’7” and maybe 155 lbs. Don’t know what I can bench. I can hit 60 mph with the TechDisc on a good day standstill. I’ll keep trying your swing drill and strive for 65. I agree that the idea is sound. But it does seem like muscle matters. I’ll let you know how it turns out.
Now, how do you twirly bird while doing a run / walk up?? 😂
I think once you get the hang of this drill, and dial in the movement patterns, head on over to Nick Krush's channel and watch his part 3 of the Demystifying the brace series to continue forward. This one should flow very nicely into that one.
1. Fantastic drill, really explains how to be loose AND still lead with the elbow. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
2. I have to know….how much do you squat? Because your quads are literal tree trunks.
450ish
@@BlitzDG that’s good weight! 💪🏼
This gives me Jairo vibes
If I had ONLY watched 100 other videos, I would be fine. The real count is.... Actually, I can't count that high LOL
Qigong
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is 2006 again?
I can't aim for shit