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I notice your nose angle is always negative, whats your opinion, dose it have to be negative in order to throw further. Any tips how to get it to be negative. For me the pouring the tee does not help at all :D.

Very interested to try this out. Been struggling to gain power on my throws.

Ayyyyy! Just played this for the first time yesterday! This is a good course for standstills, because those tee pads are absolutely horrible and borderline dangerous if you have a long stride. Double edit: On hole 7, is there a decent gap between the first big tree and the main line of trees, right over the short trees and sign? Is that OOB? Not saying it’s the best shot here, but getting past that line of trees from the right is also a very tough shot. There may not be as much of a gap as it appears for the perspective of the video though.

Checking in after using this cue since the video was posted, and it most definitely helps. It helps a lot.

Thanks! That was very informative. So you don't do hip and shoulder separation?

Are you just obsessed with showing your super huge arm muscles that look sooooooo weird to the rest of your body?? Lol 😂😂😂😂😂

So how do you get more spin

"Lost keys is brutal" Hole 8 and 25 both weren't in the toughest pin positions, but otherwise that was pretty much as tough as it gets! Well played!

hole 6 birdie was a good get!

Just got back from throwing this morning. My backhands were consistently better, and had more snap/spin while attempting to integrate this cue!

Super excited to try this. This has a lot of resonance to what I used to do intuitively early before watching too many tutorials. Out-in-out kept me from causing injuries, but I never quite regained the power I lost after letting go of my original form. Mixing this with other small lessons, this could be spot on. Do you feel like this could be especially good for players with heavier build? To me it would make sense that for tall and thin players the best way to optimize their game is using large continuous agile motions. And then for heavier build the best bet would be to load the momentum for the burst of the arm, as it's light compared to the body. A bit like hook versus toproll in arm wrestling.

Thanks. My partner and I are beginners and in our 60’s. We have struggled with getting the backhand correct. There are so many different opinions…thanks for keeping is simple. We are going out today to try it out!

great job ... thanks

Wtf? Boom!

One caveat to pushing hard with the thumb is that it makes it pretty easy to internally rotate a bit on release and cause nose up.

Bodanza in 20 years😂

SO! I am interested in how you could extrend the swirly bird 2.0 with this concept. I have been doing the swirly for a time now and it's really good, but it doesn't really help getting deep - and atm I feel like a have to choose between the two, kinda.

Ah. Maybe this is what many pros refer to when tlking about "driving with the elbow"

This is good stuff. Unfortunately when I started, the guidance was to throw the off arm inside to start the pull which messed me up for a long time.

Tried 'curl disc to armpit' cue after this and it boosted my spin quite a bit and had some lower effort higher speed throws. Tried deeper elbow drive before but it's not as specific as 'curl to armpit' so it wasn't as helpful.

Random question, when you touch the front foot on the ground . Do you push off backward to coil even more? It seems I can get more coil using the front foot once it is touching the ground.

This is the third golf video recommended to me about "getting inside of you". The other one was about Donald Trump getting inside of Bryson DeChambeau for two holes and the third involved a Thai woman.

Great video. Lots to think about.

The cue that helped me most was the distance thrower guy saying something akin to pull through your armpit. In other worse try to pull that disc to your right arm pit (for rhbh). Hands down that cue helped more than anything when I plateaued.

I have been playing for a long time and once again learned something new! I can see it verywell in Seppo Paju's form. He looks he tries to keep the disc as inside as possible even during the backswing.

What kind of shoes are those?

What is the meaning of life?

I love this cue! I'll try this today - thank you!

Is this strictly for Bergs or... 😂

Love this video. @armory disc golf has a recent video on making sure the elbow doesn't come in to the torso during the extension "reach back", do you ever also think about this at all? I feel like its a similar concept to help the disc hit the power pocket / deep pocket. Cant wait to try this on the techdisc later today. Starting out should we try to keep it at 50% power or less?

Even pros don’t have perfect form. It’s all about your body and what is comfortable. Been playing for 24 years and the best advice for people struggling is to work on the lower body. The legs will prime the upper body for the release. You won’t round. I only reach back half way. Not full extended and can hit 450ft.

It must me tough to run a RUclips channel when you can teach the game in three videos. Excited for the forehand video!

How active is your right bicep when doing this? Do you really engage the bicep to keep the disc in?

What really helped me with this technique was thinking of my elbow like a hinge, whereas other tips like "leading with your elbow" (while not wrong) had me using the elbow as a leading point to pull forward. If you hold out for as long as possible keeping the disc coiled in towards your body, that hinge will fling open and whip forwards way more than just following your elbow with your throwing hand.

so are you saying once you get to the deep pocket, don't 'artificially extend'. Just hold on as long as possible and let the disc come out naturally?

Great video. You should slo-mo some of your demos.

Nice physique, bro.

Instructions unclear disc stuck inside me.

Two questions. Q1. How do you avoid tensing up too much in the shoulder and trapezius area when pulling the disc deep into the pocket like this? Q2. How would you progress from the drill to a more compact and simple throw without the large windmill arm movement? Simon Lizotte talk about keeping the throw as simple as possible without big arm movements.

Thanks for the video, great stuff as always. I have been looking into the last part of the throw recently since it was lacking for myself. And i disagree you saying the "out" is not important. I think it is crucial to get disc moving away so that when your arm reached its max extension it can "yank" the disc giving it great speed boost and snap. Difference in momentum direction makes this more effective. This is why people who dont have it sometimes yank their disc right and it goes further than their normal throws. You should check overthrows analysis video of simons slowmo backhand, where the disc clearly goes out before it is released. I think it is not helpful to think the disc just snaps passively. Most people have to train the miscle memory to pull it at the right moment to get snap. It feels automatic once it is trained. That is my current thinking anyway.

This explains why when i start the throw from a curled in position, i get a lot of power out. When i reach out or back, everything goes to crap though 😁

Awesome cue, tried it today and after just a couple throws I could tell that this has huge potential if I work on it for some weeks to come. Off topic: if you can't afford a tech disc/radar and want to be able to get some reps in at your apartment, do you think using a towel and trying to achieve the loudest whip crack would be a somewhat fair representation that you're doing something right?

When you're ready for a deep dive on the forehand side, the disc golf side arm is essentially just an angle-sensitive baseball submarine/sidearm pitch, and RUclips videos on baseball pitching biomechanics are plentiful! Tread Athletics is consistently churning out high 90s professional pitchers and they have tons of free content available. I think that type of instruction with your understanding of throwing mechanics from learning the backhand would give you an equally potent forehand game. Love your content, thanks for sharing your knowledge!

The drill reminds me a lot of Paul Omans form, he does that exaggerated loop around himself before he throws.

Great stuff dude! I know in our chats you have had me working on other things, but I have had my own secondary focus of trying to get the feel for driving through the deep pocket. I've had a few glimpses of it doing what it's supposed to do, and as I keep working at it, I'm getting it more often.

I only throw around 270. I tried this but was causing rounding. I need to reach out. 66 years old and have been playing for a year.

Tried this advice this morning. Reaching way out did help to bring it back in. Improved spin rate a bit, but more importantly I was consistently getting the higher spin. Need more work and then move on to speed and nose angle improvements.At the moment I seem to get either speed or spin but not both. I recently found that the easiest way to gain distance was to go to high altitude and throw in thin air.

I tried this and griplocked my tech-disc into a pond *cries*.. Yeah, I know. After about 15 throws, I do feel a difference in force. It's like the throw is throwing me at the target and it's great. Will report #s when I can use another tech-disc again haha

Do you have a certain threshold for grip strength to make sure it rips out at the right time. Or is it trial and error?