GANNON BUHR Teaches Me To Throw Farther [400+ Feet Again]
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Gannon is the best demonstration of shoulder/hip separation I’ve ever seen. It could just be his length emphasizes it the most.
Just love the whole disc golf community how everyone wants to help each other. Just such a special family to be a part of. :)
Beats ball golf community by a mile. (Coming from a former ball-golfer)
Great seeing your journey. Congrats on getting back to 400. I’m working on 200😀
Same here. I feel the struggle.
I want to work on form more than im going to try to get 350 consistent than go to 400 i sit around 300
if you're struggling w distance try an insanity from axiom. good flip and works well backhand and sidearm, goes v far
@@jacobcolon5295honestly my favorite disc in my bag. I got two…I recommend the Fission Insanity.
its all in the twist man , not a reach back at all , imagine standing still and twisting as much as pissible with verticle spine thats key in a throw thats athletic and hard to do then all these steps he mentioned come into play
You just gave me at LEAST 100 feet of distance. I feel like a complete idiot for not realizing that wrist position sooner. I just threw back to back 400+ golf shots doing field work and the best part is that it's actually alot easier on my arm. No elbow pain. Thanks so much dude love your stuff
Thanks for helping others work on their games Anthony and Gannon! True pros understand that helping others can help themselves gain insights into their own game
Great stuff man.. in this video you really did a good job slowing it down and explaining whats going on. I didn't feel like I had to go in a million directions. You and Gannon are great for the sport, keep up the hard work!
this was so helpful, last year i had the goal to get my form to a better place, and toss over 400 feet, you have helped me understands my gaps, good stuff, keep um coming!!!
Hey man rooting for you all the way from Denmark. Just yesterday I went to see a coach and he broke all my form down and literally said that I need to pull from higher keeping the elbow up, showing me exactly the same tilt on the disc that Gannon showed crazy. Like your channel man, great stuff.
This is definitely my favorite Project 100 video so far! Super good tips.
this series is helping me so much as well. great job on these dude.
Gentle jabs! Love it. Unique insight! Will be taking this to the field!
I feel like you kinda missed the second pointer. If you watch Gannon, getting into his power pocket isn’t done actively, as it shouldn’t be. Whereas your first takeaway from that was to brace and actively pull into the power pocket. Gannons arm in the second demonstration (the right way he was showing) isn’t fully extended before he brings his left shoulder forward. His turn into his brace straightens his arm before it passively comes into the power pocket on its own. AKA, there’s a good chance your arm is not nearly loose enough, to the point where it feels like it does virtually nothing at all outside of the elbow being raised high like he shows for the first tip.
YEEESSSS!! This is what I've been trying to show you by linking vids in ur comments. Excited for you to work through this, because I've been working on the same things now since October or so
This is definitely super helpful! Thanks for all of this info!!
I love these analyses from pros and coaches. This was very informative, and makes total sense. I've never understood how to get the disc closer to my body when holding it flat, but tilting it as it goes through makes so much sense. I've gotten into the bad habit of holding my angle of release throughout the whole motion, which I didn't even realize was a bad habit. Can't wait for it to warm up so I can do some field work!
It's interesting, no? I do this naturally, and had actually been working to correct it before realizing that some top throwers (e.g. paju, lizotte) do it as well. Even on a hyzer shot, in slow motion you will see they get to the power pocket on anyhzer. I think doing this also serves the secondary function of engaging the wrist at the hit (as the wrist rapidly brings the disc to the appropriate release angle), which provides a bit of additional power and reinforces a nose down release.
That said, I am not entirely sure keeping the disc on a single angle is necessarily a 'bad habit.' Probably for a lot of folks, working this detail into their backswing could mess up accuracy in a way that makes it not worth it.
These videos are so helpful!
Excited to try these tips!
I laughed so hard with the short arm comment
Loving this channel it’s helped so much! I think im going to start making videos so I can track my progress, fully inspired by you, so thank you!
Good job buddy, great to see you take more breaks for yourself as much as I enjoy your content!
I’m in a similar process of changing my form from using overstable and cranking over, to hyzer shots with flippy discs. Love your channel, keep it up!
Great tips. I am anxious to try it.
Good luck this year love the videos
Hi. Very exiting video, very well explained tips and putting what Gannon said in context. Your communication skills in this video format are very good. Some of the things you show here on your channel is working like glue between other form-work I've done the past half-year and I'm so thankful! Also, if you keep saying you don't wanna be a coach so much, karma's gonna make you a coach some day xD
(also Gannon is so legit my off arm is twitching)
Super cool that you got to work with him and super cool that he took the time to work with you!
1) Nice to see you on “around the foundation” 😂 / 2) Shots fired by Mr Gannon😂 / 3) Great insight in this video....I’ve got work to do...❤👍😃
gannon just casually roasting you haha, but no really that was very thoughtful of him. this is great thanks
Good stuff, thanks for sharing
I learn from what you are saying since we have shorter arms lol too funny. But seriously I've switched my bag up as well and it's helped dramatically throwing less stable disc. Keep up the good work!
Great video. That disc position pointer was spot on for me.
Tried this new form today with the disc turned down, and it helped a lot. I still need some more reps in to really be able to control the release angle better, but in general I am able to generate a lot more snap and spin on the discs I'm throwing. I have distance drivers that I've always thrown flat and straight turn completely over and burn into the ground today from doing this. I am pretty short and being able to now pull in closer and get my elbow up in the power pocket made a huge difference, thanks for sharing this!
Glad you asked the same question I had the instant I heard about the angle and grabbed the closest disc to see it personally (a mini xD). Hopefully I remember to try this when it gets warmer and see if it helps me out.
That second tip is exactly what I was thinking about today!
Best video yet. I’ve heard no one explain bracing with left arm. Something different to visualize.
omg this video helped me so much
"A Little uncalled for with the short arm comment". lol!
Hey brother! Just wanted to stop by and say love the videos! My buddies and I met you at West Park in Joliet a while back and I actually still have the bodanza mini you gave me haha. If you're ever back in town and want to play Dellwood or Highland let me know.
Little uncalled for with the short arm comment lol. Love it
Good information in this one. I tend to dip my arm amd throw nose up because I extend with a flat disc. I'll try to extend vertically and release on hyzer or flat and report back with my results. Im lucky if I throw 250'...only been playing about 6 months, but I hope I can average 350' accurately by summer time.
I’ve recently started doing what Gannon suggested and I’ve noticed how important it is to maintain the integrity of your angle. So, the only thing that changes for anhyzer is keeping your chest up and trusting that. Angle comes from upper body(!)
I'm 14 years old and one thing that really helped me get to 300 to 400ft consistently was having a limp arm and acting like it was just dead weight, kinda like what Gannon was saying, and driving with my hips and shoulders to get full power and leaving the arm back. I can now easily hit 380 on command, and I don't have to try one bit. I think this could work for anybody, you guys should try it! Great video dude. Love these project 100s
Really appreciated your comment about flippy vs overstable discs and throwing style. I tend to get really down on myself when my farthest throws are always with understable discs and would even say to myself that my distance doesn't count because I threw something flippy. But I've always had the tendency to release on hyzer angles which lead to me performing better with understable discs because I can get that hyzer flip distance. Anyways it's just nice to see things from a different perspective as opposed to telling myself I suck because I only throw far with flippy stuff. I know a lot of people would probably still think that but at the end of the day your scorecard isn't showing the disc you threw. Why should I sacrifice my score just to say I threw a destroyer when I can perform better throwing an enigma? Like always love your content keep it up man ✌🏻
Love the Tui!
Tried a few practice throws before my round today with that downward tilt style pull thru. My distance and accuracy took a hit, but then again, it was only a like 4 throws. Really not enough time to get comfortable with it.
One thing I can definitely say for certain is that it is MUCH easier to keep my wrist loose doing it this way. I've struggled keeping my wrist loose while firmly pinching my pointer and thumb together in the grip and pulling the disc thru horizontally.
Played the rest of my round my normal way, but am really looking forward to taking this method to the field for a few days and see if I can get it to click. There's definitely a method to this madness.
Also want to put more work into the pinched fan grip drives. Early on I adopted a 2 finger grip and was making distance gains. Everyone was saying that the 4 finger Power Grip was where it was at, and ended up resorting back to that instead of sticking with what was working for me.
Recently saw a couple vids where they mentioned this pinched fan grip and how it allowed the disc to more freely rotate out of the hand and snap better. Someone said Simon used this grip also.
So maybe, since I want to put work in on both, will see if I can put the 2 together into my next few field work sessions. See how it goes.
I haven't been playing long, just a few months on and off, and seem to be stuck at 300'-340'. On my local course, Ocean County Park, NJ, if I can possibly push 400' I'm sure I can finally get a hair under par. My best so far is only E with most days between +2 and +8ish.
I know for a fact I'm lacking some spin to keep my discs up longer. When I first started I was messing with different grips. The 2 finger grip I mentioned surely gave me more spin. First week I hit just shy of 400'. A couple weeks trying to work on better form, and resorting back to the Power Grip, and my distance was down. Accuracy up, but distance down.
Long road ahead, but stoked on learning. Just wish I found this game earlier in life when I was younger and had a massive cannon for an arm from playing baseball.
Stoked to give some new stuff a try.
As always, good vid.
Keep pushing bro.
Omg I was really looking at the background this entire video because omg I think that's my home course north Charlotte regional! That's insane lol
"A little uncalled for with the short arm comments." Oh my, that really got me laughing out loud XD
From a fellow player with arms on the shorter side.
Hey T-Rex boy, this is a great video. Thanks.
The short arm comments 😂😂😂
Hey Short Arm, good stuff!
This got me to 400 ft over the last few weeks after watching this. Thanks dog!
this tip combined with Joel Freeman's tip for foot placement will definitely help me with distance
That disc position of the top towards the body is completely new to me. Very cool
I wouldnt say an Enigma and Pharaoh is really flippy. People get so caught up in the molds they're throwing. Everyone wants to throw a Destroyer, DD3, or a Rive, when they really shouldn't. These same people will throw very lightweight versions of those discs just to be able say to throw them. Or maybe a super beat in version that really is a griffin disc they won't be able to replace. I think you're on the right track with changing to less stable discs.
agreed, the enigma is def pretty true to numbers. not too much fade but prob a bit more turn that -1, I still love em. not a discmaniac but I really like how flat and consistent the neo enigmas are, neo/hybrid plastic is fire
Griffin disc? Never heard that term.
@@man0utoftime it’s something Robbie C says a lot. Basically a term he uses to refer to discs that are hard to replace.
@@Mummapalooza Apparently, Innova used to make a Griffin. I inferred what you meant, though. Thanks for letting me know the origin. Maybe not a Griffin, but I lost a perfectly seasoned Essence days ago. 😭
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Little Arms!😂
I've been trying to do disc tilt off and on for a while now. Ricky does an exaggerated form of this. I tend to fall into old habits when I get out to the course
I started keeping my off hand a bit tighter to my body, I model it after Drew Gibson. This has helped me keep my rotation (not rounding) smaller/compact and therefore quicker from full extension to release. Have you considered that at all? I tried this tip from Gannon a few months ago because of a different video about pronation and how it can help keep your nose angle down. I’ve since noticed many pros setting up like this: Gibson, Wysoki, Macbeth (sometimes), Oakley…the list goes on and on but I think Ricky and Drew are the two that make it most obvious. I just noticed that it’s really hard to throw any sort of Hyzer with a flipper disc like this because it almost always forces an Anhyzer angle or flat release out of my hand which is death to any under stable disc that you want to not be a roller.
Off arm inclusion was also where DG got magical again for me. I still have 4 months to my 1 year anniversary, and some potentially huge life changes to navigate, but I expect to be close to 600' by the end of May. Great to follow your journey.
This comment just sounds like a whole bunch of lies to try and make yourself feel better about the inward feelings of not being good enough
Interesting take. I really have no way to grasp it other than an insult. If you're ever anywhere near Oak Grove, let's play a round. I want to see who is talking and better, have an understanding of what your perspective is. @@soldieroftheway7979
400+ feet is 400+ feet period. Flippy or not. Keep grinding dude!
"A little uncalled for with the short arm comments"
lol
I’m in deep need of cleaning up my own form. I throw around 400 ft, but I have some extremely long limbs and I know I could be throwing further. I also keep hurting myself in my backhand throwing motion, with my shoulder popping just last week.
The Ganon tip around 3:45 is something I've never heard before .
Same. I don't understand how to get a good release angle without the disc shooting to the sky.
The short arm commentary Im dying.
If you're getting into flippy distance discs then you need to try the thrasher and tern!
I also throw the Enigma (aka the Mahomes of am drivers). Unless you're a high level pro it's a great stability.
I am struggeling to get over 350. The rotation of the arm feels good in dry swings. I have to wait until the snow melts to get on the field... sometimes i dont like winter :)
I swear I just figured this out too and felt like I cracked the code. Watching simon you can see he always has the disc parallel to his chest. the other thing that it does is increase spin on the disc. the wrist snap lets me hit further shots with less power and more control.
Your biggest issue, by far, is happening between 8:08 in your video and 8:09. You are getting turned around completely backwards as you move into your plant step, with your left knee and foot pointing almost 180 degrees away from your throwing line.
That position is causing your weight to remain trapped between your feet, making it impossible to shift forward until you’re very deep into the swing itself. You can tell when a person has shifted their weight forward by what happens with the back knee.
In your case, your back leg is completely straight until the disc is well inside your center of mass, meaning you’re throwing almost two-footed! Imagined trying to throw a baseball with both feet glued to the ground, it’s so awkward and slow.
To really improve, you need to focus on one-legged drills, and learn the feel of what it means to have your brace accept all your body weight and momentum before you even think about engaging the upper body. You should see your back foot leaving the ground, and your knee inverting ideally before your shoulders have turned forward to engage the swing.
Watch a few slo-mo clips of really powerful throwers like Paige, Paul, Drew and Eagle, and notice how early their back knee inverts in their swing. This is happening because they’re getting into perfect dynamic balance over their brace leg before they even think about doing anything with the upper body. Many of the problems you’re having with your elbow aren’t fixable when you’re throwing two-footed, but will autocorrect as soon as you’re pivoting organically in a tight axis with all your weight centered over your brace leg.
I recommend the excellent videos by the content creator “Seabas22”. He has an entire video devoted to the one-legged drill that should help you address your biggest failure point.
Also, not to disparage Gannon, but the kid is an absolute giant, who has been playing disc golf since he was tiny. Gannon learned to throw organically, using a kid’s instincts, and may not even understand the biomechanics of what his body is doing. You’re far better off getting advice from someone who learned to throw well as an adult, which is usually an incremental process of steady improvement from a starting point of relative ignorance.
I feel like more and more people are talking about this elbow drop issue than ever before. I have it, and I'm working to correct it, but I'll share with you what's been told to me.
Lower the disc at reachback, pulling below the pecs.
The forearm, disc and elbow should be on the same plane, and flat.
Point the wrist down (pour the coffee) but not too much.
Side note: I personally have a problem with angling the disc that sharp downward in the first half of the swing. I know some players like Simon and Gannon do it, but I think it's not a best practice, but something they've done they've been able to avoid issues using. I'm more of the Scott Stokely and Jaani Länsiö mindsets of keeping throws as mechanically simple as possible, but clearly many pros do a lot of sophisticated things in their throw, and ultimately they decide what's best for them.
Regardless, love your growth, and the growth of your channel, Anthony!
There is nothing more fulfilling than starting to turnover discs and have to step up to more overstable discs. That's the point where you know your work is paying off. Then starts the process of learning to slow down your arm to be able to hit lines more consistently.
Good gracious I love this sport, and watching others enjoy it also.
Two great communicators at once, lovely! Thank you. Also, I spy a Tui!
Hell yea I see that Tui... word is he was gonna do a video about it? Haven't seen it yet though. Pekapeka is a super nice understable fairway too.
yep! vid is filmed, will be up within a week
T-Rex Bodanza
I think you should definitely try out a hades. It’s nice a flippy and they bomb and they should bomb for you
Wind, downhill and GNC gummies
How do you think about controlling nose angle with that briefcase carry wrist position? Before I’d just focus on pouring the coffee the whole way through but now it seems harder to do that the whole way.
you should try more mvp drivers, fission waves and fission octanes go crazy
It would be great to see tournament videos once you start playing unless it would hinder how you play. Great video!
I will always put out tournamnt videos for every round I play as much as I can. My favorite type of content to make for sure. Just going to be a few monhts to feel confident enough to compete
Definitely try a 170 star Corvette. I throw around 330. And it seemed like the harder tried the shorter I threw. Well I have been sick the last few weeks and been watching lots of form vids including yours. Especially paying attention to keeping the feet in their own lane on the x step. And Tempo, moving slow to fast like a whip.
Went out today and consistently threw 380+ and broke 400 for the first time twice in the first 8 throws. Corvette. Maybe my story is also a testament to resting to gain distance.
Have not thrown in 3 weeks.
corvettes are cash money
👏👏👏
Pharaohs are king 👑 Another good recommendation for newer players is the fission wave by MVP.
i think stability is just a better percentage or game plan, just feels like more variables to dial in for the flip play
what what Port Charlotte , my home town!
Gannon already in mid season GK Pro Skins form with that jab lol
I recently bought a Wild Honey, I expect it to become my farthest flying disc. But i haven’t seen a good review of the Wild Honey. Would you do a review of it?
Check out slingshot disc golf’s breakdowns.
Bro has a Tui, only the best putt and approach disc out there, so siked to see that
They're all discs so why would it matter if it's OS or US?? 400+ is 400+. Great job dude! Love watching your journey and videos.
Nothing negative, just a couple of comments. 1. There are a number of ways to throw 400'. Could be S curve, could be all hyzer, could be roller, etc. Throwing overstable discs anhyser and throwing "flippy" discs all hyzer 400' are 2 different shots. If you are throwing 'flippy' stuff, then for your distance shots, make sure they are getting a full flight vs just flip up to flat and hyzer out. 2. When you are showing the disc into and out of the 'power pocket', it would be helpful for players learning and watching you if you didn't extend outside the frame of your body when you are talking about it :) You don't do it when you throw and multiple times you will show it properly, but when you're just talking and moving your arm without consciously thinking about it, it's not natural to turn your body away from the camera and keep your arm inside your body frame. It's weird, but I think the consistency would help those watching. You see it all the time, I think it's just natural for us because if you extend in front of you it looks like you are throwing in the wrong direction :) Happy to see you back over 400' again! Nice to see Gannon helping you out.
High elbow + tilt disc down didnt work for me 😔 it only turned my shots into anhyzers. Any idea what I could be doing wrong?
Hey man, I’ve been following you for a while, and I really dig what you’re doing. After watching your left side, I think you could be much tighter and stronger if you turn you left foot and knee tighter into your brace leg. Uli talked about this in one of his videos, but consider the line that your left knee points as being the line the disc follows. Actively turning on the back foot, and keeping the down and in will allow you to push harder into the brace leg. Just my thoughts. Definitely not a pro here, but on my own mechanics journey.
ruclips.net/video/NaHyJQ71gP0/видео.html
This video. Watch around the 14:20 mark.
Everybody has shorter arms than Gannon. Don’t feel bad bro.
That off arm/shoulder creates the slingshot.
On the "flippy stuff doesn't count": Drew Gibsons absolute bomber Alabama Stamp Destroyer is a flippy lightweight Destroyer.
The short arm comments hahahaa
The hardest step in disc golf is to go from pulling to whipping. Wish I knew that from day 1 cause you kinda have to start over from scratch and relearn everything
But... Why haven't someone told me this as a tip (Ok I could've tried it myself... They tend do say that showing the top to the camera is bad, flat is preferred) This gave me some more room to work with, gonna try it next session!
Who TF are these people saying if you aren’t throwing max weight Star Destroyers or Nuke OS’s 400+ so it doesn’t count. Cause I would like to slap them. It counts bro. It all counts. Hyzer flipping is objectively the easiest way to throw farther cause you’re guaranteed to get a full flight and it pushes straight for the high speed part of the flight. Most people should be bagging a healthy count of understable discs beginner and expert for that exact reason. Good luck to your efforts sir, hope to see you on tour.
There is no reaching and pulling. Only shoulder turning. Once you think about that traps get themselves out of the way and your arm passively goes where your joints want it to go through the path. Thinking anything about reaching and pulling just gets muscles activated and in the way trying to control the path and prevents rotation.
I stay forward as long as possible. Then at the last second I think about getting punched in the back shoulder and then trying to turn it back as fast as possible.
This is the feedback the video author needs to hear more.
The two points you take up in this video is point on. A problem you have is that your brain workd to fast sometimes. Work on this for a couple of months, and dont get distracted with other things during that time. This is offcourse if you priority is to throw far.
Hey are you in North Port? I would love to play a round with you if your still in the area