I mentioned it in the video but I would recommend doing this with an understable fairway driver like the Soda I was using here! Reason is that the grip gets caught too easily with the slower discs and are thrown a bit differently imo.
I've been playing for years and little reminders on the little things sometimes ground me and I finally see improvements because I was focusing on my feet or hips so much I forget something like how to hold the dang thing.
I am a senior disc golfer and limited lower body mobility due to knees and hips. this video was very encouraging for me as well. More videos for us struggling at the bottom would be appreciated.
Wow! I've watched many DG techniques videos, and haven't seen grip strength to speed ratio explained as you have. Theres a lot of detail involved in DG. This truly adds a missing piece of the puzzle for me. Being a rookie, ive focused on keeping a consistent grip strength regardless of speed. Lol. Thanks for your videos!
Thank you as always; 200 feet has been a challenge for this retired guy. Practiced today with your recommendations. I never understood what "ripping" the disc ever meant. I had/have been holding discs like a sledgehammer, then opening my hand to release. Lighter gripping the discs, and naturally letting the release seems to be working (and further distance), on a first time experimentation today, though wildly thrown all over the course. 😂 I look forward to all your future videos. You have kept disc golf fun for me. Highest Respect!
EGO almost kept me from watching this one. As I throw 275 on average and working on 300 avg. I have always believed I have equal or better athleticism than those that bomb past me daily. This really turned a light on for me. Will be doing some field work on this for sure.
I’m in the same boat. This and a cue to grip as much or more with the outside of my hand than with the index finger and thumb got me reaching close to 400. Not consistently, but like one in ten…which is more than before.
This is something I've never heard anyone explain in detail. I hear a lot of people talk about snapping the disc, elbow back/arm out, whipping motions, etc. but that all has never made a lot of consistent sense to me... maybe because I never thought about variable grip strength and how that relates to driving and arm speeds. It's weird to think that you have to STOP yourself from letting go to make the disc go farther. Thinking about it this way, all those videos focusing on the importance of footwork/lineups also make more sense to bring control back when you're no longer "letting go" to control the release point. Looking forward to trying this.
Tried your grip advice today on my usual pitch and putt course. Parked two holes just over 200 feet where I normally come up short 20 to 30 feet after just one field practice. Age 70, been playing one year Hope you will keep posting advice that grows the sport from the bottom up. It definitely helps me bring the grandkids along in the sport, too, as I start chasing birdies.
Really appreciate this as a new player chasing 300 now. I haven't thought about my grip since the first week I played, can't wait to test this in the field. Thanks Overthrow!
Josh. Thanks for this. I have been playing for about 10 months and I know I open my hand. Never knew this. Let the retraining begin. I am love it. I have my college sons to thank. Take care. Love the channel.
Been playing 5 months. Throw 180 to 200 at my best. Watched this and went outside. Threw my Leo3s and ITs for about an hour. Was hitting 240 to 260 which are personal bests. I need to fine tune grip but this really helped me move forward. I'm 45yo and 5'6.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Appreciate it. Never knew you didn't let go of the disc and it seems like you're snapping your wrist during the throw. Like it's kinda cocked to start and then used to impart spin? So trying those two things gave me about 30 yards on my throws. For a new playing that's a huge improvement for watching a video, TY!
i believe this same advice applies to putting. if you watch dave dunipace's video on the snake strike putt, it's a very similar concept. if your grip is too soft or firm at the release point, you'll miss left or right, but if you 'pop' it right at the target with a little bit of pressure, it's harder to miss.
I feel like this was made with me in mind. After watching this I definitely got the speed so it has to be the grip. I recorded myself and wasn't rounding and I hit the power pocket. Was so close to quitting so I really hope it's grip.
I did see a comment from yours somewhere that contributed to the making of this. I’ve seen not a few people struggling with this even though I know they have seen a bunch of tutorials. Hope it helps you
This video is very helpful. It is very frustrating trying to match the grip pressure with the arm speed. Usually it is a grip lock that flies remarkably well in the wrong direction, but the early release is just as disappointing.
The only time I can remember the feeling of the disc ripping out was like your example that flew way off to the right. I hadn't ever really thought about changing the grip strength based on the speed. I will have to practice this next time. I would love more videos like this in the future!
Where was this video years ago! Lol. I'm stuck at 200ft and you're exactly right, I've been letting the disc go due to a severe griplock tha hit someone once. I'm going to practice doing what you said. Thank you a million times.
Very timely, thx...new to the game, oversaturated myself w/ instructional videos, inconsistently throw the same midrange rhbh from 180-300', the grip has clearly been a major part of the issue but I've been messing mainly w/ grip type, not pressure. I think this will help a lot, bottle analogy was fantastic!
I am a second-year rookie at 70 years old. For distance in fieldwork, I am that guy who cannot hit 200 feet. I suspect the root cause is my grip--constantly keeping the nose angle down and the launch angle up and the hyser flat--when I have no idea whether I am doing so and which erratic results of the flight were caused by which flaw. So now I am waiting for my Tech Disc. I hope that by focusing on the grip first, with known results, I will develop good muscle memory. Then I can add speed and rotation. Finally, I will add weight shift and run-up for maximum distance. Does that sound like a plan?
Decent plan! I’d work on grip/arm speed first, then upward launch, then nose angle, then walk up mechanics probably. Hard to say for sure without overseeing the process
I literally was able to throw 230 ft. from a standstill after watching this video whereas prior I was only hitting 230 on my best throws (LHBH). It literally never occurred to me that my hand should be finishing "closed" like you describe. Instant results, amazing video man. Thank you!
I'm regularly hitting 200, but further than that, and consistency have been an issue. I found this SUPER helpful. I've been seeing both sides of the too lose and too tight spectrum, and this really clicked for me. I need some field time so I can work on grip modulation. Great content.
Superior quantent delivery as always. I've been on a bit of a roller coaster recently, I'm going to work on this the next decent weather day. You're all spectacularly fantastic.
Thanks dude, I’m just trying to get over 100 feet. Started disc golf a couple weeks ago, usually throw forehand as it’s similar to skipping rocks and I throw further that way. All in the grip strength and arm speed.
@@WayneHubbard-n9m nose angle was the first issue. It’s hard to get the disc to go anywhere if the nose is up because it will always hyzer out early. That was the key to getting past 200 and then 300 feet. Past that it was more about how to get the body into the throw. Getting the shoulders fully turned away and arm extended and such. Still have a long way to go tho. I think my lower body isn’t involved enough in my throws. Also just gotta get the repetitions in on a regular basis. I was hitting a field for an hour or two like 4 times a week.
Wow this helped me alot actually. Saves my buddy extra time looking for my discs with me. I have long skinny fingers though so gripping the disc is tough but I'ma practice this!
Just threw my driver in the lake at my 4 o'clock yesterday so i think this will help. Doubt I've thrown a disc 200 ft yet but I've only played 6-7 times. Very informative video, not a bunch of B.S fluff like other videos on here.
I hurt my elbow after years of being a forehand only player. My elbow is still messed up, doing PT, and my backhand has been awful. The mechanics feel foreign to me. This video is giving me some great tips that I can practice. It makes sense that my grip would heavily influence the flight of the disc. Thank you!
Your videos were the first I've watched that mention not death gripping. I'm currently in the process of finding that right grip pressure. Hopefully I'm going to set up a tarp to their into soon. That should speed up my experimentation
Ok so this is not just for beginners…I had the hardest time throwing distance drivers speed 12 and up and thought it was because my hands just weren’t big enough. Turns out I had to change my grip to a power grip/fan combo to get maximum grip strength on it to compensate for the increase in arm speed needed for the driver. You just finally labeled that problem that I had to figure out on my own.
I'm just starting & throwing it 100' is ripping it for me lol, but I still found this to be very informative. Every little bit helps at this point. I think I should probably watch it again. Yeah, I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna watch it again.
Hey Josh and Mikey! Would be cool to see you throw Techdisc in open field and compare numbers with actual distances. That way we would know in practise if our throwing speed is enough for x distance when technique is improved :)
I really like this video for anyone of any skill level. I have been playing for close to 25 years now and have never thought about the hand remaining closed through the "release." I guess even referring to it as a release after knowing this seems wrong almost. I can throw 400+ft and may be hitting 450 at times and i am pretty sure after watching this video that i open my hand to do it. I am also generally pretty accurate. I generally just grip my drivers as hard as i can. I should have known this because i can't count the number of times i have told players who ask for tips that the disc is supposed to rip itself out of your hand, but never really thought about what that means i guess. I remember back in the day i used to get that popping/snapping sound on release and i have not heard it in many years now that i think of it. This just goes to show that you are never too good to learn something new about form and technique. I am eager to experiment with this and see if that noise comes back and guage what effect it has on my distance and accuracy. I may have some serious work to do, but i would really like to be able to throw 500. Thats has always been something i wanted to achieve since the very beginning. If this is really true and i do open my hand to release the disc I would imagine that means the rest of my form is generally pretty good considering the results i usually achieve. People have always been impressed by my distance, but i have always felt i could throw farther. If i could just make myself spend the effort to get my putting where it needs to be I'd probably be a lot better, but that's not as fun as crushing it right guys. Thank you for this video as someone who has loved disc golf for a long time. Don't forget to go out there and have fun guys because after all it is a game. If anyone is in Austin and wants to get in a round hit me up. I don't have as many people to throw with as i used to and i love meeting other disc golfers.
This has been my issue for a long time. I've been throwing opening my hand for like a year plus and I'm trying to relearn to close my hand this season.
great video, I didn't think the "snap"-release had that much impact, I've filmed my friends and myself a few times and while my mates can throw easy 330-350's I'm stuck at max 275(ish) while my arm on camera moves A LOT faster then theirs. I used to climb for a living and as a hobby so my grip strength is probably way to much when I'm focusing on throwing far, so I'll have to go to a field and get used to being more deliberately soft on my touch. Atm I'm throwing 275(max is 300 with no obstacles) while opening my grip so this is gonna be fun when I get my "AHA!"-experience! :D
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I'm a forehand-main and have been struggling with those backhand tee-shots for a couple years now! Despite the range we throw at I'm the most accurate out of my playgroup so I've always tried to build on that, but to learn it's probably the same thing holding me back is kinda wild :D I can't wait for some nice weather so I can do field-work!
I’ve had this question since I started playing last year. I asked a friend who’s been playing for years…how much do I grip the disc? His response was “just grip it and rip it!” Lol okay that answered nothing for me obviously. So I never really understood what the relationship was between grip pressure and arm speed. I say all that to say, this video was very helpful. Even though I think I was throwing over 200ft, 350ft seemed impossible. Maybe not so much now. I’ll get out in the field and practice!! I think a lot of beginners get focused on how to throw like Paul or Simon but there’s so many little nuances that are missed that are the fundamental building blocks of the throw. Thanks!
THANK YOU for addressing a topic that helps the people who need it most. (from that geezer who has arthritis in every joint except my artificial hip ;^) I concentrated so much on advice guaranteed to “get anyone over 400 feet,” that I had to discover grip pressure on my own. To get over those long but wild griplocks, I opened my hand and hit 150-170 ft. Now, I try to get that “pop” and hit 180-220 feet when it works, but half of the time, I still open my hand, and even griplock when I try to rip it once in a while. When the snow melts, I plan to work on controlling grip strength for a consistent “pop.” Is it just a matter of months of practice? Any help you can provide in future videos will be really appreciated! I know there are LOTS of people in the “can’t throw 200 feet” category, and many of them will drop out if they don’t get this kind of beginner-friendly help. KEEP IT UP!
Thank you for this video. I can consistently get to 250 - 275, but couldn't get to 300. I've video recorded myself and the form looks decent (like anyone, there needs to be improvement), but just couldn't figure out why I couldn't get any further. As soon as I saw this video, I went to the garage and threw into the net and, of course, I was doing exactly what you've described (releasing the disc instead of snapping). I plan to go into the field tomorrow and try to hang on to the disc and see how much it helps (scared to do it in the garage - not sure where the heck it'll go at first). I think it's going to be really difficult to tell my mind to hang on to the disc instead of releasing. Thinking about the difference from releasing and snapping and going through it in slow motion, I can see where a ton of built up power is just wasted when I release instead of hang on to the disc. It's initially counter intuitive because it seems like hanging on to the disc would slow it down, but releasing just gives up that last (and probably most) amount of power and spin. Your video really helped me see the logic in the snap and a light bulb went on. As an aside, I've noticed that when I do grip lock the disc, it really goes - probably gone past 350-400 feet on those, but always too embarrassed to measure :)
I cannot wait to try this! I have been playing 8 yrs and can't throw over 200 feet. As I think about it I'm pretty sure I let the disc go. If I could even just add 50 feet it would completely change my game. You may have just found my missing piece to throwing farther!
Maan, I wish I had caught this video before going to practice today. I'm just getting back into the sport after about 10 years, and have been struggling with distance, angle, control, everything. Today I was focusing so hard on nose angle that it forced my hand into a death grip, and I truly thought that's how it was supposed to be. Then I would get frustrated when the disc would go way right and still only give me 150 ft if I was lucky. Can't wait to try out this piece on my next go!
The simplicity is head shaking....definitely my grip. I'm old, new and love this game..but 170 is my best to date....To work on the grip, relax, and practice as shown must be doable...I've noticed when my head does not get warped into thinking must do distance, the throws seem simple.Oh, why do I get head messed into trying to chuck distance...not work into it....thanks, this is superb instruction
Actually mind blowing. As someone brand new to the sport I’m sure I’m not the only one who instinctively thought you’re supposed to let go of the disc, vs having it slip out of your grip
I've only been playing 3 years now and I'm finally getting over 300' consistently and I never thought about this. I've watched hundreds of videos (and all of yours) and this may be the first time I've seen it explicitly addressed and now things make much more sense. I also believe there is no "grip lock" either, just the incorrect alignment of your body/hips to the relation of the target line and your grip. Can you do a segment on that too?
Even the last tidbit was helpful: “once you get to 250 you can be accurate at 200.” I’ve always felt that but people look at me crazy when I’m comfortable with my scores suffering at close to 300, because I’m pushing myself to keep growing, instead of being in the middle of every fairway at 240. The side benefit is that I’ve gotten SO much practice at weird approach shots, too.
I truly love this sport, and have been playing it off and on for nearly 10 years. I say "off and on" because I've quit out of frustration multiple times. I apologise in advance if this post comes across as aggressive or critical, but this video has just rekindled a decade of frustration. I have been stuck at a 250 ft drive since my first month playing. I cannot tell you how many hours of field practice, video work, form guides, paid tuition etc I have gone through to see literally zero improvement from any of it. The conventional wisdom has ALWAYS been that "you don't let go of the disc, the disc rips itself out of your hand" - but after years of trying to make this miracle happen, I can only conclude this simply cannot be true. I am more than happy to concede that because the moment of release is a tiny fraction of a second, it could be that no one has yet figured out what exactly they are doing physically to trigger the release of the disc. However, they must be doing *something*, because otherwise, the disc would not leave your hand. It is only 150 - 180 grams of plastic, with a big fat rim that lets you get a very firm, very solid grip on it. If throw around some basic physics calculations, you quickly arrive at needing release speeds in excess of 200 mph for that tiny piece of plastic to pull on an adults grip with enough force to overpower it. My physics calculations might be completely wrong of course, but still, if I hold my disc in my hand and try and someone else tries to pull it free, it requires a FEROCIOUS level of force to do it... far more than the arm speed shown in this video could possibly be generating. I can go through my golf form at full speed, and easily keep the disc in my hand. ~I don't know anyone who can't, to be honest. I dearly want some accurate guidance on what I should be doing to improve, but to be honest, I don't feel like any of the training online helps at all, because at the end of the day, it's all wrong about even the simplest and most basic fact of throwing a disc... which is that you have to let go of it at some point, or it isn't going anywhere.
Mikey here. Josh has shown in this video that you need to find the point the disc rips out of your hand at the right time. Varying levels of grip pressure will determine when the disc rips out. Surely you understand that you can grip something not at maximum grip strength and it would take tremendously less force to rip out of your hand. At my throwing speed of 70-78mph I don’t have enough grip strength to hold on past a certain point but when I throw 60mph I do have enough and so I make sure my grip strength isn’t 100%. So yes you can keep your hand in a closed position at varying grip strengths and it will rip out of your hand. You have to find where it rips out at the right time without shanking it or keeping it in your hand 😂
This may be my solution, I've been playing for a month now and rarely get any glide from my throws. It has been so hard to figure out. I have asked others and I always get the same answer. "Took me a year, been two years, I still suck at throwing" No seems to know how they figured it out, or what the problem was. Learning to do it right is a total mystery for so many new players. I think this is the key. I will try this tomorrow, it's 10:30 PM, I want to try it now so bad.
As others have said, this is something that is missing from a lot of instructional vids, we really need these "obvious tips". The nugget on "hand, disc, chest" was also useful, the obvious position for me would be to cock the wrist to create the mythical snap. Maybe a series coaching a complete newbie from scratch?
Hell yeah, real world disc golf here. Most of the people on a normal course can’t even get it 300 ft regularly. I try to get a beginner up around 200 to 250 with accuracy so you can have fun and have a chance of par on casual holes. Thanks for not forgetting that many people casually play this sport (me being one of them)
I max at 250 and have been stuck there for months - a lot of what you're describing seems to be me. Saw a previous video where you talked about the closed-hand exercise and i tried it a fair bit but could never get the hang of it - i think the explanation here may have clicked a bit more. Gonna try it again.
I have always opened my hand. I’ve never heard the disc should fly out. I really hope I see some change this Saturday. Thank you. I already throw 250 ft opening hand so I’m hoping I can crush 300 ft.
Playing with grip is definitely how I jumped past 200ft. But it seems like this also means that the proper grip pressure is critical to properly hitting a consistent release point so you're hitting your intended line (which is what I'm currently struggling with), which I don't see many instructional videos talk about at all.
Before even watching this video I seemed to be stuck at 330-350 range and one day changed my grip and increased my grip pressure and am now just short of 400, so going through that process before even watching the video just made it make that much more sense!
How can I increase arm speed. Do you have a video on it. I’m 60 and maxed out at 275. I found out at the northeast expo that I only thow 43 mph. It’s dismal and I was so depressed about it. I’ve committed the past few months to stretching and weight training with a coach. I hope it helps but I wonder what your thought are.
It depends on why the arm is slow. Sometimes there are body parts in the way (form), sometimes it’s rhythm, and sometimes it’s just learning how to move your arm faster by throwing as fast as you can
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I believe committing to physical training will help. I was amazed at how tight and weak my shoulders were. Thanks again for all your doing.
im that 60 + yr 2 hip replacements with nerve damage that has been playing off and on since 1994. Man, dropping poopy habits is .....interesting. This last 2 years I've gone from 150 to 200 keeping nose down. Today I finally passed 300 by not releasing. Over threw several baskets.
I saw Robbie C talk about this. If you ever grip lock, you can just really feel what you are capable of and how much the disc can really explode out of your hand.
I'm definitely going to find a big field and try this. I have like zero spin on my discs when i throw backhand and I'm wondering if I'm letting go of the disc instead of letting it rip out.
Also my feet naturally point outwards. I noticed the more flat my foot is towards my walking line the better I'll get that straight lined snap release. And if I really need to throw on the right side I let it naturally relax and it snaps to the right more. Using my weakness as an advantage. Just an idea
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Can't throw further than 260 - 290 feet (~80 to 90 meters), even with a run up, and I don't need to watch my form to know that I'm not keeping my hand closed 😅 Gonna practice that this afternoon! Thanks 😊
I need to start experimenting with more grip strength. I'm 6'6" and can't throw past 400ft...maybe it's the grip strength holding me back 🤔🧐 Denver elevation doesn't help
Excellent example with scale water bottle. It makes Josh look like a little kid, don't it? When he was finishing his point, I was like come on Josh, drop it, drop it drop it
@tomt2240, you got me by a decade, but I play with some retired guys. We all started just this past fall, and I started throwing around 160 feet. I didn't think I could throw much farther. LOL Right now, the retired guys throw around 180 to 200 feet, and I'm around 300. I can throw it 360 to 400, but with absolutely no control. The retired guys can kick my butt, one is a fitness trainer, and the other does training as well. I really think it all comes down to form, cause this guy with a bad shoulder (working on it), has no power.
Does the same grip info apply to forehand? My husband and I are seniors, he's good and I suck. I've gone to a forehand so I can see where I'm throwing and don't kill anyone. Trees hate me. I prefer to walk the course and watch my husband because it is exhausting to pick up and throw the disc 10 times to get to the basket.
Just watched a slo-mo of my wifes backhand. I think that's her problem! Will report back, if it ever stops raining, so we can go outside and give it a try.
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I mentioned it in the video but I would recommend doing this with an understable fairway driver like the Soda I was using here! Reason is that the grip gets caught too easily with the slower discs and are thrown a bit differently imo.
I guess for countries where clash doesn't have much of a presence, a Mana, a Stig, a Wombat3, should be good options.
The stig is money @@Timberius
Can we get a vid on throwing the slower discs?
Check check. Thank you. /Soda disc. Think of me as a Greek sling beginner.
I like it! We need more videos adressing the very beginners. And no one is good enough to not repeat some of the basics they already knew.
I've been playing for years and little reminders on the little things sometimes ground me and I finally see improvements because I was focusing on my feet or hips so much I forget something like how to hold the dang thing.
I am a senior disc golfer and limited lower body mobility due to knees and hips. this video was very encouraging for me as well. More videos for us struggling at the bottom would be appreciated.
Great video! As a senior disc golfer, I am looking forward to consistently reaching that 200 ft. mark.
Wow! I've watched many DG techniques videos, and haven't seen grip strength to speed ratio explained as you have. Theres a lot of detail involved in DG. This truly adds a missing piece of the puzzle for me. Being a rookie, ive focused on keeping a consistent grip strength regardless of speed. Lol. Thanks for your videos!
Thank you as always; 200 feet has been a challenge for this retired guy.
Practiced today with your recommendations. I never understood what "ripping" the disc ever meant. I had/have been holding discs like a sledgehammer, then opening my hand to release. Lighter gripping the discs, and naturally letting the release seems to be working (and further distance), on a first time experimentation today, though wildly thrown all over the course. 😂
I look forward to all your future videos. You have kept disc golf fun for me.
Highest Respect!
Always happy to help keep the fun around
EGO almost kept me from watching this one. As I throw 275 on average and working on 300 avg. I have always believed I have equal or better athleticism than those that bomb past me daily. This really turned a light on for me. Will be doing some field work on this for sure.
Yep I had the same ah-ha moment lol getting out in the field tomorrow
I’m in the same boat. This and a cue to grip as much or more with the outside of my hand than with the index finger and thumb got me reaching close to 400. Not consistently, but like one in ten…which is more than before.
This is something I've never heard anyone explain in detail. I hear a lot of people talk about snapping the disc, elbow back/arm out, whipping motions, etc. but that all has never made a lot of consistent sense to me... maybe because I never thought about variable grip strength and how that relates to driving and arm speeds. It's weird to think that you have to STOP yourself from letting go to make the disc go farther. Thinking about it this way, all those videos focusing on the importance of footwork/lineups also make more sense to bring control back when you're no longer "letting go" to control the release point. Looking forward to trying this.
This video is great! Exactly what I need. There needs to be more videos that are aimed towards players who are between intermediate and beginner.
Tried your grip advice today on my usual pitch and putt course. Parked two holes just over 200 feet where I normally come up short 20 to 30 feet after just one field practice. Age 70, been playing one year Hope you will keep posting advice that grows the sport from the bottom up. It definitely helps me bring the grandkids along in the sport, too, as I start chasing birdies.
Congratulations!
Really appreciate this as a new player chasing 300 now. I haven't thought about my grip since the first week I played, can't wait to test this in the field. Thanks Overthrow!
Josh. Thanks for this. I have been playing for about 10 months and I know I open my hand. Never knew this. Let the retraining begin. I am love it. I have my college sons to thank. Take care. Love the channel.
Been playing 5 months. Throw 180 to 200 at my best. Watched this and went outside. Threw my Leo3s and ITs for about an hour. Was hitting 240 to 260 which are personal bests. I need to fine tune grip but this really helped me move forward. I'm 45yo and 5'6.
Congrats
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Appreciate it. Never knew you didn't let go of the disc and it seems like you're snapping your wrist during the throw. Like it's kinda cocked to start and then used to impart spin? So trying those two things gave me about 30 yards on my throws. For a new playing that's a huge improvement for watching a video, TY!
i believe this same advice applies to putting. if you watch dave dunipace's video on the snake strike putt, it's a very similar concept. if your grip is too soft or firm at the release point, you'll miss left or right, but if you 'pop' it right at the target with a little bit of pressure, it's harder to miss.
Nice info
I feel like this was made with me in mind. After watching this I definitely got the speed so it has to be the grip. I recorded myself and wasn't rounding and I hit the power pocket. Was so close to quitting so I really hope it's grip.
I did see a comment from yours somewhere that contributed to the making of this. I’ve seen not a few people struggling with this even though I know they have seen a bunch of tutorials. Hope it helps you
This video is very helpful. It is very frustrating trying to match the grip pressure with the arm speed. Usually it is a grip lock that flies remarkably well in the wrong direction, but the early release is just as disappointing.
Yup. lol. I feel the same way about my putting sometimes
Great video. If the wind is just right I max out at 225. I will give this a try as soon as this f*&%ing snow melts. : )
I can't even put into words how much this video helped me and my son 👍👍
Glad to hear it
The only time I can remember the feeling of the disc ripping out was like your example that flew way off to the right. I hadn't ever really thought about changing the grip strength based on the speed. I will have to practice this next time. I would love more videos like this in the future!
That was great, no, um’s or ah’s or like’s, spoken so clearly and just the information I’ve been looking for. Thank you.
The power of editing lol
Where was this video years ago! Lol. I'm stuck at 200ft and you're exactly right, I've been letting the disc go due to a severe griplock tha hit someone once. I'm going to practice doing what you said. Thank you a million times.
Especially understandable in cases like that where the mistake was semi-traumatic
Explains why my grip locks go 50% farther though.
@@jamesfarabaugh6669 That was a revelation to me a while back. I was thinking, “Wait a minute. What if i did this… but over that way?!”
I'm very encouraged. Gonna go do some field work tomorrow to work in this. And so cool to see you tossin' the Clash discs.
Very timely, thx...new to the game, oversaturated myself w/ instructional videos, inconsistently throw the same midrange rhbh from 180-300', the grip has clearly been a major part of the issue but I've been messing mainly w/ grip type, not pressure. I think this will help a lot, bottle analogy was fantastic!
I am a second-year rookie at 70 years old. For distance in fieldwork, I am that guy who cannot hit 200 feet. I suspect the root cause is my grip--constantly keeping the nose angle down and the launch angle up and the hyser flat--when I have no idea whether I am doing so and which erratic results of the flight were caused by which flaw.
So now I am waiting for my Tech Disc. I hope that by focusing on the grip first, with known results, I will develop good muscle memory. Then I can add speed and rotation. Finally, I will add weight shift and run-up for maximum distance.
Does that sound like a plan?
Decent plan! I’d work on grip/arm speed first, then upward launch, then nose angle, then walk up mechanics probably. Hard to say for sure without overseeing the process
I know this 75% of me not throwing as far as I could. Appropriate amount of grip pressure is the perfect phrase. Great content.
I literally was able to throw 230 ft. from a standstill after watching this video whereas prior I was only hitting 230 on my best throws (LHBH). It literally never occurred to me that my hand should be finishing "closed" like you describe. Instant results, amazing video man. Thank you!
Congrats 🎊
I'm regularly hitting 200, but further than that, and consistency have been an issue. I found this SUPER helpful. I've been seeing both sides of the too lose and too tight spectrum, and this really clicked for me. I need some field time so I can work on grip modulation. Great content.
Superior quantent delivery as always. I've been on a bit of a roller coaster recently, I'm going to work on this the next decent weather day. You're all spectacularly fantastic.
You told me my lessons were confidential! 😂😂
Client confidentially starts at 201’
@@OverthrowDiscGolf😂
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I think this is really going to help me get back into good throws after a looong time away from the game. Thanks!
Thanks dude, I’m just trying to get over 100 feet. Started disc golf a couple weeks ago, usually throw forehand as it’s similar to skipping rocks and I throw further that way. All in the grip strength and arm speed.
I used to not be able to throw 200 feet about 3 years ago. Now I’m 930 rated and can throw 380. Keep going!
And what do you attribute to this rapid ascention up the distance ranks (besides grip)?
@@WayneHubbard-n9m nose angle was the first issue. It’s hard to get the disc to go anywhere if the nose is up because it will always hyzer out early. That was the key to getting past 200 and then 300 feet. Past that it was more about how to get the body into the throw. Getting the shoulders fully turned away and arm extended and such. Still have a long way to go tho. I think my lower body isn’t involved enough in my throws. Also just gotta get the repetitions in on a regular basis. I was hitting a field for an hour or two like 4 times a week.
Wow this helped me alot actually. Saves my buddy extra time looking for my discs with me. I have long skinny fingers though so gripping the disc is tough but I'ma practice this!
Best instruction ever! Thank you so much!
Just threw my driver in the lake at my 4 o'clock yesterday so i think this will help. Doubt I've thrown a disc 200 ft yet but I've only played 6-7 times.
Very informative video, not a bunch of B.S fluff like other videos on here.
I hurt my elbow after years of being a forehand only player. My elbow is still messed up, doing PT, and my backhand has been awful. The mechanics feel foreign to me. This video is giving me some great tips that I can practice. It makes sense that my grip would heavily influence the flight of the disc. Thank you!
Your videos were the first I've watched that mention not death gripping. I'm currently in the process of finding that right grip pressure. Hopefully I'm going to set up a tarp to their into soon. That should speed up my experimentation
Ok so this is not just for beginners…I had the hardest time throwing distance drivers speed 12 and up and thought it was because my hands just weren’t big enough. Turns out I had to change my grip to a power grip/fan combo to get maximum grip strength on it to compensate for the increase in arm speed needed for the driver. You just finally labeled that problem that I had to figure out on my own.
Excellent instruction for a newbie like me. Thank you.
I'm just starting & throwing it 100' is ripping it for me lol, but I still found this to be very informative. Every little bit helps at this point. I think I should probably watch it again. Yeah, I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna watch it again.
Hey Josh and Mikey! Would be cool to see you throw Techdisc in open field and compare numbers with actual distances. That way we would know in practise if our throwing speed is enough for x distance when technique is improved :)
The tech disc is pretty understable from what I’ve read. We’ll have to get a speed gun
@@OverthrowDiscGolf that would be great quality detail with these kinds of videos and an eye opener for many of us
I really like this video for anyone of any skill level. I have been playing for close to 25 years now and have never thought about the hand remaining closed through the "release." I guess even referring to it as a release after knowing this seems wrong almost.
I can throw 400+ft and may be hitting 450 at times and i am pretty sure after watching this video that i open my hand to do it. I am also generally pretty accurate. I generally just grip my drivers as hard as i can.
I should have known this because i can't count the number of times i have told players who ask for tips that the disc is supposed to rip itself out of your hand, but never really thought about what that means i guess.
I remember back in the day i used to get that popping/snapping sound on release and i have not heard it in many years now that i think of it.
This just goes to show that you are never too good to learn something new about form and technique. I am eager to experiment with this and see if that noise comes back and guage what effect it has on my distance and accuracy.
I may have some serious work to do, but i would really like to be able to throw 500. Thats has always been something i wanted to achieve since the very beginning.
If this is really true and i do open my hand to release the disc I would imagine that means the rest of my form is generally pretty good considering the results i usually achieve.
People have always been impressed by my distance, but i have always felt i could throw farther. If i could just make myself spend the effort to get my putting where it needs to be I'd probably be a lot better, but that's not as fun as crushing it right guys.
Thank you for this video as someone who has loved disc golf for a long time. Don't forget to go out there and have fun guys because after all it is a game.
If anyone is in Austin and wants to get in a round hit me up. I don't have as many people to throw with as i used to and i love meeting other disc golfers.
I'm 60 and just started trying some field work using the Udisk app and found out that I thow 160 to 180. Gotta try this! Thanks.
This has been my issue for a long time. I've been throwing opening my hand for like a year plus and I'm trying to relearn to close my hand this season.
i havent tried this yet, but this is one of the best info vids ive found. I already know my hand is open af after i throw
I have trouble getting to 300 but I presume the same principle of grip pressure applies. I’ll try it out. Thanks as always Josh and Milkey.
Same principle applies
great video, I didn't think the "snap"-release had that much impact, I've filmed my friends and myself a few times and while my mates can throw easy 330-350's I'm stuck at max 275(ish) while my arm on camera moves A LOT faster then theirs. I used to climb for a living and as a hobby so my grip strength is probably way to much when I'm focusing on throwing far, so I'll have to go to a field and get used to being more deliberately soft on my touch. Atm I'm throwing 275(max is 300 with no obstacles) while opening my grip so this is gonna be fun when I get my "AHA!"-experience! :D
Good to know you’re basically throwing 275-300’ approach shots
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I'm a forehand-main and have been struggling with those backhand tee-shots for a couple years now! Despite the range we throw at I'm the most accurate out of my playgroup so I've always tried to build on that, but to learn it's probably the same thing holding me back is kinda wild :D I can't wait for some nice weather so I can do field-work!
I can touch 300 rarely. 250-280 is my normal range. Wish I could add another 50-75 feet and I'd be happy
You can do it
I’ve had this question since I started playing last year. I asked a friend who’s been playing for years…how much do I grip the disc? His response was “just grip it and rip it!” Lol okay that answered nothing for me obviously. So I never really understood what the relationship was between grip pressure and arm speed. I say all that to say, this video was very helpful. Even though I think I was throwing over 200ft, 350ft seemed impossible. Maybe not so much now. I’ll get out in the field and practice!! I think a lot of beginners get focused on how to throw like Paul or Simon but there’s so many little nuances that are missed that are the fundamental building blocks of the throw. Thanks!
THANK YOU for addressing a topic that helps the people who need it most. (from that geezer who has arthritis in every joint except my artificial hip ;^) I concentrated so much on advice guaranteed to “get anyone over 400 feet,” that I had to discover grip pressure on my own. To get over those long but wild griplocks, I opened my hand and hit 150-170 ft. Now, I try to get that “pop” and hit 180-220 feet when it works, but half of the time, I still open my hand, and even griplock when I try to rip it once in a while. When the snow melts, I plan to work on controlling grip strength for a consistent “pop.” Is it just a matter of months of practice? Any help you can provide in future videos will be really appreciated! I know there are LOTS of people in the “can’t throw 200 feet” category, and many of them will drop out if they don’t get this kind of beginner-friendly help. KEEP IT UP!
It took me about a month to get it consistently I’d say. I don’t really think about grip pressure anymore until it becomes a problem
This info is huge for me I’ve been playing for two months and was confused on this
Welcome to disc golf
Thank you for this video. I can consistently get to 250 - 275, but couldn't get to 300. I've video recorded myself and the form looks decent (like anyone, there needs to be improvement), but just couldn't figure out why I couldn't get any further. As soon as I saw this video, I went to the garage and threw into the net and, of course, I was doing exactly what you've described (releasing the disc instead of snapping). I plan to go into the field tomorrow and try to hang on to the disc and see how much it helps (scared to do it in the garage - not sure where the heck it'll go at first). I think it's going to be really difficult to tell my mind to hang on to the disc instead of releasing.
Thinking about the difference from releasing and snapping and going through it in slow motion, I can see where a ton of built up power is just wasted when I release instead of hang on to the disc. It's initially counter intuitive because it seems like hanging on to the disc would slow it down, but releasing just gives up that last (and probably most) amount of power and spin. Your video really helped me see the logic in the snap and a light bulb went on.
As an aside, I've noticed that when I do grip lock the disc, it really goes - probably gone past 350-400 feet on those, but always too embarrassed to measure :)
Great point at the end of your comment. I didn't think about that until you said it. I've noticed the same.
I lose about 5mph if I let it slip out from my cursory studies.
I cannot wait to try this! I have been playing 8 yrs and can't throw over 200 feet. As I think about it I'm pretty sure I let the disc go. If I could even just add 50 feet it would completely change my game. You may have just found my missing piece to throwing farther!
Maan, I wish I had caught this video before going to practice today. I'm just getting back into the sport after about 10 years, and have been struggling with distance, angle, control, everything. Today I was focusing so hard on nose angle that it forced my hand into a death grip, and I truly thought that's how it was supposed to be. Then I would get frustrated when the disc would go way right and still only give me 150 ft if I was lucky. Can't wait to try out this piece on my next go!
The simplicity is head shaking....definitely my grip. I'm old, new and love this game..but 170 is my best to date....To work on the grip, relax, and practice as shown must be doable...I've noticed when my head does not get warped into thinking must do distance, the throws seem simple.Oh, why do I get head messed into trying to chuck distance...not work into it....thanks, this is superb instruction
This is real good info. Thank you. I’ll have to try this.
Actually mind blowing. As someone brand new to the sport I’m sure I’m not the only one who instinctively thought you’re supposed to let go of the disc, vs having it slip out of your grip
I've only been playing 3 years now and I'm finally getting over 300' consistently and I never thought about this. I've watched hundreds of videos (and all of yours) and this may be the first time I've seen it explicitly addressed and now things make much more sense.
I also believe there is no "grip lock" either, just the incorrect alignment of your body/hips to the relation of the target line and your grip. Can you do a segment on that too?
We do have an aim video on the docket
daaaamn! i am a beginner, and this was completely mindblowing for me! thanks alot, this helped me out for sure!
Even the last tidbit was helpful: “once you get to 250 you can be accurate at 200.” I’ve always felt that but people look at me crazy when I’m comfortable with my scores suffering at close to 300, because I’m pushing myself to keep growing, instead of being in the middle of every fairway at 240. The side benefit is that I’ve gotten SO much practice at weird approach shots, too.
I hate when I find a really good video after I come back in from the field. Thanks for the amazing tips!
I truly love this sport, and have been playing it off and on for nearly 10 years. I say "off and on" because I've quit out of frustration multiple times. I apologise in advance if this post comes across as aggressive or critical, but this video has just rekindled a decade of frustration. I have been stuck at a 250 ft drive since my first month playing. I cannot tell you how many hours of field practice, video work, form guides, paid tuition etc I have gone through to see literally zero improvement from any of it.
The conventional wisdom has ALWAYS been that "you don't let go of the disc, the disc rips itself out of your hand" - but after years of trying to make this miracle happen, I can only conclude this simply cannot be true.
I am more than happy to concede that because the moment of release is a tiny fraction of a second, it could be that no one has yet figured out what exactly they are doing physically to trigger the release of the disc. However, they must be doing *something*, because otherwise, the disc would not leave your hand. It is only 150 - 180 grams of plastic, with a big fat rim that lets you get a very firm, very solid grip on it. If throw around some basic physics calculations, you quickly arrive at needing release speeds in excess of 200 mph for that tiny piece of plastic to pull on an adults grip with enough force to overpower it. My physics calculations might be completely wrong of course, but still, if I hold my disc in my hand and try and someone else tries to pull it free, it requires a FEROCIOUS level of force to do it... far more than the arm speed shown in this video could possibly be generating.
I can go through my golf form at full speed, and easily keep the disc in my hand. ~I don't know anyone who can't, to be honest. I dearly want some accurate guidance on what I should be doing to improve, but to be honest, I don't feel like any of the training online helps at all, because at the end of the day, it's all wrong about even the simplest and most basic fact of throwing a disc... which is that you have to let go of it at some point, or it isn't going anywhere.
Mikey here. Josh has shown in this video that you need to find the point the disc rips out of your hand at the right time. Varying levels of grip pressure will determine when the disc rips out. Surely you understand that you can grip something not at maximum grip strength and it would take tremendously less force to rip out of your hand. At my throwing speed of 70-78mph I don’t have enough grip strength to hold on past a certain point but when I throw 60mph I do have enough and so I make sure my grip strength isn’t 100%. So yes you can keep your hand in a closed position at varying grip strengths and it will rip out of your hand. You have to find where it rips out at the right time without shanking it or keeping it in your hand 😂
Sounds like I’m not your guy. All the best with your goals
Love that bag and thank you for the refresher!
This may be my solution, I've been playing for a month now and rarely get any glide from my throws.
It has been so hard to figure out.
I have asked others and I always get the same answer.
"Took me a year, been two years, I still suck at throwing"
No seems to know how they figured it out, or what the problem was.
Learning to do it right is a total mystery for so many new players.
I think this is the key.
I will try this tomorrow, it's 10:30 PM, I want to try it now so bad.
As others have said, this is something that is missing from a lot of instructional vids, we really need these "obvious tips". The nugget on "hand, disc, chest" was also useful, the obvious position for me would be to cock the wrist to create the mythical snap. Maybe a series coaching a complete newbie from scratch?
Dude
This helps, thank you
Now I'll have to pick up some more discs from you guys as payment for this valuable lesson
So HELPFUL video, thank you
Hell yeah, real world disc golf here. Most of the people on a normal course can’t even get it 300 ft regularly. I try to get a beginner up around 200 to 250 with accuracy so you can have fun and have a chance of par on casual holes. Thanks for not forgetting that many people casually play this sport (me being one of them)
Hit 290 today and this video was a big part of that. Thanks!
Congratulations!
I need a video on how to get pass 300ft
I max at 250 and have been stuck there for months - a lot of what you're describing seems to be me. Saw a previous video where you talked about the closed-hand exercise and i tried it a fair bit but could never get the hang of it - i think the explanation here may have clicked a bit more. Gonna try it again.
You truly are a guru in laying it out for simpletons like me. Great video that even a dummy like me can understand.
I too am a simpleton. I have to learn it this way lol
Good explanation. Everyone else says to Death Grip the disc, chuck it as Hard as you can, and it will Rip out of your fingers, no matter what.
With a name like that I’m sure you could keep in in your hand indefinitely
I have always opened my hand. I’ve never heard the disc should fly out. I really hope I see some change this Saturday. Thank you.
I already throw 250 ft opening hand so I’m hoping I can crush 300 ft.
Definitely needed this
Playing with grip is definitely how I jumped past 200ft. But it seems like this also means that the proper grip pressure is critical to properly hitting a consistent release point so you're hitting your intended line (which is what I'm currently struggling with), which I don't see many instructional videos talk about at all.
Yeah, eventually when your hand has the grip part figured out you can work on the aiming mechanisms
Before even watching this video I seemed to be stuck at 330-350 range and one day changed my grip and increased my grip pressure and am now just short of 400, so going through that process before even watching the video just made it make that much more sense!
You should pick up a hand strength dynamometer to get an approximate value on how much pressure you’re putting on the 4 fingers, elbow bent.
How can I increase arm speed. Do you have a video on it. I’m 60 and maxed out at 275. I found out at the northeast expo that I only thow 43 mph. It’s dismal and I was so depressed about it. I’ve committed the past few months to stretching and weight training with a coach. I hope it helps but I wonder what your thought are.
It depends on why the arm is slow. Sometimes there are body parts in the way (form), sometimes it’s rhythm, and sometimes it’s just learning how to move your arm faster by throwing as fast as you can
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I believe committing to physical training will help. I was amazed at how tight and weak my shoulders were. Thanks again for all your doing.
I can throw over 200 ft but this video was very helpful! I have been early releasing my thrasher but grip locking my reactor. It all makes sense now!
Very helpful, thank you!😀
I enjoyed this vid. At the end you implied a different grip is needed for accuracy. Is that correct and if yes, what grip is best for accuracy?
Correct. Our most recent video goes over grip in depth
@@OverthrowDiscGolf thanks for getting back to me. I just found your new vid.
@@s.fla.beekeepingmangoesand1517 all the best
Immediately ran to check footage from last rounds. Frame after release my pointer and thumb were together but other three fingers open 🤔
Get em closed!
im that 60 + yr 2 hip replacements with nerve damage that has been playing off and on since 1994. Man, dropping poopy habits is .....interesting. This last 2 years I've gone from 150 to 200 keeping nose down. Today I finally passed 300 by not releasing. Over threw several baskets.
There we go!
I saw Robbie C talk about this. If you ever grip lock, you can just really feel what you are capable of and how much the disc can really explode out of your hand.
I'm definitely going to find a big field and try this. I have like zero spin on my discs when i throw backhand and I'm wondering if I'm letting go of the disc instead of letting it rip out.
Also my feet naturally point outwards. I noticed the more flat my foot is towards my walking line the better I'll get that straight lined snap release. And if I really need to throw on the right side I let it naturally relax and it snaps to the right more. Using my weakness as an advantage. Just an idea
Can't throw further than 260 - 290 feet (~80 to 90 meters), even with a run up, and I don't need to watch my form to know that I'm not keeping my hand closed 😅 Gonna practice that this afternoon! Thanks 😊
Absolutely crushing the content!
I need to start experimenting with more grip strength. I'm 6'6" and can't throw past 400ft...maybe it's the grip strength holding me back 🤔🧐 Denver elevation doesn't help
Experimenting at that level is not a bad thing for sure. Just be ready to discover grip might not be the problem
I fall into the category of "hand open after throw" so it's worth a try (i had to look at video of myself throwing)
Great info....we preach firm not tight
Excellent example with scale water bottle. It makes Josh look like a little kid, don't it? When he was finishing his point, I was like come on Josh, drop it, drop it drop it
@7:54 WTF RICHARD?!
IYKYK 🤣
Richard was on to something
I was waiting to see the foundation guys play through in the background.
Hey Josh, I like the new snap sound I have now, but can you or somebody out there explain why griping the disc tighter like that makes it go farther?
I’m sure someone can. I just receive the benefits.
Me: I can not believe how much of an idiot Brodie was about thinking everyone could throw 300.
Also me: people can't throw 200?
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Lol
I am 62 and it has taken me three months to get to consistently throwing around 200. Play with lots of older people who throw about the same.
@tomt2240, you got me by a decade, but I play with some retired guys. We all started just this past fall, and I started throwing around 160 feet. I didn't think I could throw much farther. LOL
Right now, the retired guys throw around 180 to 200 feet, and I'm around 300. I can throw it 360 to 400, but with absolutely no control.
The retired guys can kick my butt, one is a fitness trainer, and the other does training as well. I really think it all comes down to form, cause this guy with a bad shoulder (working on it), has no power.
Does the same grip info apply to forehand? My husband and I are seniors, he's good and I suck. I've gone to a forehand so I can see where I'm throwing and don't kill anyone. Trees hate me. I prefer to walk the course and watch my husband because it is exhausting to pick up and throw the disc 10 times to get to the basket.
It doesn’t. Just on the backhand. Trees also don’t like me
This was cool. I think I often over grip, I'm waiting for the still can't throw 300, that's my next milestone.
300’ is a bit more tricky to nail down as far as potential issues go
Just watched a slo-mo of my wifes backhand. I think that's her problem! Will report back, if it ever stops raining, so we can go outside and give it a try.
Awesome video. There’s hope for me !