I like to think that her parents were some random minor characters that doesn't have any family lines or anything important to mention, then they died somehow. IDK, since they're both gone. But I feel better if I don't think about it/if she's just exist for existing sake.
@@MahkRonAKash Oooh! Yes! She's such a good character, and when reading the New Prophecy, I felt bad for her, since her daughters are always disappearing/getting themselves in trouble. And she gives up her life to help her grandson, and always is there for her children and grandchildren.
I just realized something. Legally, Dovewing was related to Tigerheart before their relationship. Dovewing’s grandfather is Cloudtail, Cloudtail’s uncle is Firestar, firestar’s son-in-law is Bramblestar, and Bramblestar’s nephew is Tigerheart.
My biggest gripe with the more recent books is when Finpaw has to have his tail chomped off and he and everyone else is lamenting about how hard it will be for him to relearn climbing, balance, etc. If only there was some clan cat who Finpaw could talk to who had experienced such trauma too! ..... I'm genuinely convinced the writers didn't know that Berrynose had the exact same plot used on him. I'm also genuinely convinced they had no idea Berrynose had a stump tail at all, as it is never mentioned again after arch....3? I don't remember which arch. That's not important. It's just.....why not have Finpaw train under Berrynose upon joining Thunderclan? It would have been the perfect and obvious matchup.
@@pyrook4074 they got mad that brightheart was picked as jayfeather's mentor. Some of the stuff they say is reasonable but sometimes they get mad over crazy stuff like that.
@@captainsnake8515 ohhh yeah i totally get what you mean now! however i think most people who are upset at brightheart's mentorship is more upset with the way she treated him, not that a partially blind cat is teaching another blind cat. it was because brightheart refused to teach jay proper battle moves or hunting because she thought his blindness wouldnt allow him, at least thats how i took the outrage
pyro ok Hmm, now I ought to re-read The Sight. That does make sense from Brightheart’s point of view though, she essentially had to reteach herself everything after her accident since she had already learned it all once but couldn’t use those techniques while blind on one side. Jayfeather was starting from scratch, and didn’t have the knowledge base to be able to properly learn her own adaptations of the standard moves. That honestly explains a lot about why that mentorship didn’t work.
i always loved the idea of Dovewing having her eyecolor linked to her power. Like she is tuning in on the sea its blue, listening into the forest, green, if listening outside the clans (like when she hears the beavers) its gold/hazel Edit: not otters but beavers, poor choice of words there from me
I always had a headcanon that Dovewings eyes were both blue and yellow/gold, but then they just mixed together and now their green lmao. I know it's VERY unrealistic but idc.
i like to imagine the characters are self-aware about the terrible family trees with implied incest and just never mention it because it would end up as a 300 message discord debate and nobody wants that
@@abigailw7146 mind explaining? Also law doesn't really count and Redtail and Brindleface aren't considered Sandstorm's parents on any official sites or the warriors wiki
I draw her with one purple eye and one green eye because screw realistic designs I do what I want (not that there’s anything wrong with preferring realistic designs I just like making my cats look f u n k y)
wait, Dovewing's eyes have been Gold, Blue and Green? ..oh. They're actually all three - green around the iris, fades to gold and then there's a blue ring. Source: My own cats have eyes that "color". It's natural, and everyone arguing has possibly never seen a cat.
I know what you mean and i understand your point of veiw, her more realistic eyes just seem out of place in warriors bc every other cat has a solid eye colour.
How does no one realize the Mintkit and Marigold kit inconsistency was done on purpose??? Yellowfang thinks that maybe she smells fox. No one else smells it, and there are no other signs of a fox. This is clearly her trying to rationalize this in her grief. They are her siblings after all. That's why it's such a shock when Yellowfang finds out Brokenstar was the one who killed the kits. I can't believe that was so confusing for people.
Agreed. Kinda sad they made the kits just to kill them off, Marigold is such a cute name, and her design is pretty. I think she’d be named Marigoldheart cus she was so sweet, And Mintkit would be Mintblaze cus he was so energetic and loud all the time. Poor kits
@@abigailkondoudis5772 I have a pair of OCs I named after Marigoldkit and Mintkit because I feel terrible that they died so young (Their names are Marigoldfur and Mintwhisker)
They brought Beetlewhisker back? I thought he stayed dead. Not that I'm unhappy, Beetlewhisker and Ivypool are the two Dark Forest cats who don't deserve to be sent back there.
I can't believe that now that they're finally fixing their mistake of making Ashfur "just misunderstood" after his attempted murders, they're doing the exact same thing again with breezepelt. Maybe in a couple arcs we'll have a plot where breezepelt was evil all along and possesses jayfeather lol.
Oh I guarantee Ashfur is getting redeemed. The cover and blurb for book 5 heavily imply that Squilf and Ashfur are going to project to the Dark Forest together to go after whoever Ashfur’s “employers” are. As much as I’d love to see Ashfur remain straight evil for the whole arc, he’s almost certainly getting redeemed. At least he’ll probably get a good arc out of it this time, so that’s an improvement over Power of Three Ashfur.
Little Kitten I mean, here’s hoping it’s more of a “teaming up for the greater good” thing after they reveal whoever is actually behind this whole scheme (since it’s probably not Ashfur). Obviously, at a bare minimum he would have to agree to try and help get Bramblestar’s spirit back into his body (which may or may not be why they’re traveling to the Dark Forest), and preferably Ashfur should receive some kind of punishment for his actions (that may or may not tie into his redemption), such as his ghost getting killed or otherwise fading or maybe just Ashfur having to agree to trap himself in the Dark Forest or something. Really, it all depends on how much of a jerk Ashfur is over the next two books and/or how bad the mastermind is in comparison to him (again, assuming that Ashfur is working for someone, if he’s the one planning all of this and remains straight evil that would be amazing, but it really doesn’t look like they’re going that route).
I like to believe that they intentionally did that because the characters are trans, even though that’s obviously not true and it was just an error haha. Screw it, I need my trans representation
I *think* trans Rowanclaw was intentional, since they had several chances to fix that in modern TNP-era material and they left it as is. They probably will never admit it though, since the publishers wouldn’t even allow them to say Ravenpaw/Barley and Tallstar/Jake were mates even though it’s *heavily* implied (and they confirmed outside the books that that was always the intention). That being said, most of the other gender swaps were 100% errors, since they mostly got changed back later on.
@@Nathan-kk6lb Sadly I don't think they intended to have a trans character. On the other LGBT+ characters the authors have come out and said flat out that was the case. Rowanclaw's gender appears to only have changed so he could be Tawnypelt's mate. While the others were a result of the authors not exactly reading the books. For instance Mosskit starts out as a tom in TPB but doesn't become a molly until Bluestar's prophecy. Then Mosskit continues to change from molly to tom in each book. Other characters are one offs whose reappearances feature their genders being swapped. Rushtooth and Brick are such characters. While I'd love their to be a trans or gender fluid character I'm waiting for them to not be an authors mistake. Though I still love trans headcannons!
i once talked to someone who said the erins all write alone in separate rooms, never talking to each other, and i'm not completely convinced he wasn't wrong
Plot Twist:) Breezepelt's character has changed due to being possessed. Breezepelt, at some point after the Great Battle, is somehow badly injured, leaving him in a near-death scenario. During this time, a spirit pocesses him. This spirit is probably a young warrior, apprentice, or exile longing to live the life they never had/could've had, so they take Breezepelt's. I'd imagine Breezepelt would either be infuriated or depressed by seeing how his Clanmates and everyone around him adores this new Breezepelt, but idk how this idea would end/play out. Note:) This idea was just intriguing to me, especially seeing how it happened to Bramblestar and I thought it could explain why Breezepelt seems to change so quickly.
For a while I had a theory that Breezepelt's body somehow got possessed-- maybe by Fallen Leaves -- and then he became the imposter But no It's ashfur We all know this Grr
Horizon Penblade Honestly, it’d be amazing if it *wasn’t* Ashfur, even though everyone thinks it is, and then Ashfur’s ghost comes and helps them fight the real imposter. But it’s definitely Ashfur. At least we know he’s working for someone and we have no idea who that is. But the imposter is definitely Ashfur.
Warriors has a problem I like to call "too many cooks in the kitchen". When you have that many hands in the pot it's easy for this person to forget to tell that person that this cat is actually female/has blue eyes/is directly related to Willowpelt.
Only if it’s called “Breezepelt Must Die” and at least once an episode she goes on a tangent about why Breezey needs a one-way ticket to the newly invented Darker Forest.
There is also Smokepaw, a shadowclan apprentice who makes the great journey but dies on the way (falls when trying to get across a mountain and rocks fall on him or something), but then a book or two later he is seen as a warrior called Smokefoot
lmao im trying to get back into it (stopped reading after the last hope) so im watching these to hype myself up and prepare for the inevitable annoyance ill feel
Another point to the Onestar thing it was always very clear that the reason he changed so much was to prove that he was a capable leader, and didn't need to rely on ThunderClan or ANY Clan for help. So to give him a REASON (like a secret kittypet family) to hate Firestar when he already HAD a valid enough reason to become complete trash just....eugh. It seems like unnecessary stuff added for that extra drama. It's good drama, but still.
Ribotto Studios Honestly I wish Mistystar had that plot line Not that it’s a kittypet, but maybe she made the same mistake as bluestar and didn’t want her kit to go through what she did, being halfclan Plus just please let her die
Onestar's character is all over the place. Onewhisker is totally different from Onestar, and I know characters can go through great changes, but he feels... completely unnecessary? Like Onewhisker is someone hard-working and willing to help his Clan. He also doesn't mind too much to be friendly with other Clan cats. A good reason and candidate for Tallstar to pick. However, ever since he became leader, it just... changed. And yeah the whole kittypet thing kind of threw me off. It's kind of the thing rat-Onestar would do, but not Onewhisker. but maybe he's been like this all along.
That would also explain the single usage of gold in The Fourth Apprentice. It’s either that, or her eyes turn blue from her powers (which explains why they’re consistently green after the Three get depowered after the end of Omen of the Stars).
I would also like to mention that I think it’s funny how the editorial team is using family relations in Graystripe’s super edition. Graystripe is grieving over Stemleaf when he goes “Ah, poor Spotfur, his mate. Who looks just like her kin, Frostfur. Who reminds me of her son, Ravenpaw.” Like...cool?
Fia Durhuus She was in the book before the book Snowkit died in. It’s mentioned that one of Speckletail’s two kits is in the medicine den. Fireheart goes to visit her and persuades her to eat her medicine so that “she can become a strong warrior for her clan.” But in the next book she is just gone. I think her name was Mistlekit
Fia Durhuus Yeah! They could have done so much with her, especially after Snowkit died. She could have had beef with Bluestar or something bc she was so wrapped up in her “war” against Starclan that she didn’t care about her brother
I honestly can't call the writing of Warrior Cats "good". There are so many inconsistencies and mistakes that it makes it unbearable to read to me, but at the same time I want to keep reading. I don't know if I like it don't like warriors anymore.
I'm actually kind of surprised you didn't bring up the "retcon" that in the new prophecy Squirrelflight's Mentor is listed as Dustpelt but later on in the series Squirrelflight herself says that Brambleclaw was her Mentor in a conversation with him. When Brambleclaw was said to not have mentored when he became deputy, which at the time was a big deal in the clan, until Berrykit turned 6 moons.
@@abigailw7146 i know that's what I'm says, squirrelflight says to Bramblestar that he was her mentor and that he tought her well, even though it was actually Dustpelt. And its Baffling to me that they would mess that up because Brambleclaw's who issue after his daddy issues was that he was Deputy without an apprentice.
@@jax-ninjanat8778 I thought that she only said that he taught her well in Bramblestar’s storm, not specifically that he was her mentor, though I might be remembering wrong. To me that more so implies their history traveling together to the sun drowned place and him teaching her a few things along the way, not necessarily his claim to being her mentor
THANK YOU for validating my confusion when Squilf told Tigerheartstar he wouldn't remember the great battle. I had to stop reading for a moment and think about the fact that the writing team completely skipped over his ENTIRE story arc.
Tigerstar didn't even say Redtail killed Oakheart, though. He said Oakheart killed Redtail, and then Tigerstar killed Oakheart "while he was still gloating over his victory." Both Ravenpaw and Firepaw misinterpreted that Redtail killed Oakheart because they didn't see the rocks fall on Oakheart. All Ravenpaw knows is that Redtail screamed "Oakheart is dead" while covered in blood. I still agree that they did not research enough, if at all. I know this shit from memory, the least they could have done is just read more than two passages in a book.
True, but Fireheart stated that Bluestar didn’t believe him when he warned her about Tigerclaw because she didn’t believe Redtail would murder anyone. In fact there’s a whole scene where Riverclan confirms that Oakheart died under the rocks. In Fire and Ice, or Forest of Secrets. Redtail’s Debt was, unfortunately, very messy.
@@karietothepowerofbooks5205 oh yeah i think kate cary confirmed that she actually uses the warriors wiki for VITAL INFORMATION, and this was back when the wiki was worse as well
Me: wasn't there that thing where Smokepaw fell off a cliff in the mountains during the great journey? Also me: didn't he come back in a later book as a full warrior with an apprentice of his own?
It's little changes in the books that make writing AUs fun. Like how in my AU, Redtail and Goldenflower are Sandstorm's parents (which solves the Ashfur uncle problem). You might be thinking "oh no, what about Squirrel x Bramble?!", consider this: He doesn't exist in my AU. AUs are a lot of fun, but also a lot of work.
Yup. To me, specifically, tho, Sandstorm is Lionheart and Frostfur's kits (AU?) And Frostfur and Brindleface aren't related. I like that Sandstorm is the older sister type to her siblings (Cinderpelt, Brightheart, Thornclaw, and Brackenfur).
Y'know, it's lowkey kinda pathetic that there are so many retcons/continuity errors that we can actually have this whole discussion. These people are being PAID to slap these books together, yet somehow fans (including literal children) are able to keep better track of the lore just because they actually vaguely care. Hell, the writers don't even have to make their own series bible because we have an entire fan-made encyclopedia with more information than they could ever hope for. It's literally as easy as it could get for them to double check information.
I actually caught a retcon in the books just the other day, or at least a mistake. In Power of Three: The Sight, there is a bout of greencough going through Thunderclan camp, and this is when Jayfeather saves Poppypaw from dying of the illness. However, as the clan is discussing hunting patrols, Millie who had recently joined the clan, told Firestar that she could go out on hunting patrols without risk of greencough, because when she was a kittypet she was taken the the cutter (vet) and no longer gets sick. However, later on in the series (I don’t remember the specific book don’t come for me) a very severe outbreak of greencough breaks out in Thunderclan, causing them to quarantine the sick cats in the abandoned twoleg nest to prevent further spread. And very notably it is mentioned that Millie is one of the sickest cats in the bunch. It seems to me that the authors completely forgot about Millie’s previous “immunity” to illnesses, and just wanted to create more drama involving Graystripe almost losing another mate. Feel free to tell me if I’m wrong!
We can assume the thing keeping Millie well is a vaccine like how pets get rabies and heart worm shots, which don’t last forever. And if Millie had been vaccinated all her life that also gives some reason for why the second couch outbreak hits her harder, she doesn’t have a developed immune system after it not being used for years, (or it wasn’t used to the full capacity at least)
@@BeetleBuggy01 that's not how vaccines work - they don't replace the immune system, they 'train' and strengthen it. This 'training' can fade over time, but it's never going to leave you less prepared that someone who wasn't vaccinated, and probably a bit more
Vaccines' effects kind of fade overtime, which, I think, is why you have to take multiple shots for a certain disease. Millie could still have gotten sick but the mistake is still there, she probably shouldn’t have been the one of the sickest cats. She’d probably be one of the closer to healing as soon as she caught it Edit: Spelling
I like to imagine Dovewing's eyes are a teal - turquoise sorta color with golden parts (idk which. Maybe rims around the pupils but sectoral heterochromia would look cool too). And when she's using her powers they turn fully golden & glow bc I live for "character's eyes glow when using powers" kind of tropes
Yup. In OOTS he was ready to kill blind med cat and pregnant cat, but in the future books, he's just 'dont you remember the battle against Dark Forest?'
Good news! According to the family tree on the website, Sandstorm isn't Redtail and Brindleface's kit anymore! One less way everyone is related to everyone!
I feel like I know most of the problems with the things brought up in the video. Most of them are because Erin hunter (I’m just saying this for implying all the writers) didn’t have a consistent story line, they came up with everything as they went. They didn’t think it out they just went with what their mind came up with. At least that’s my theory
@Melissa Rodgers There are so many characters that disappear. LIke they were kits or apprentices in the allegiance never to be seen again. Since were not in their POV Clan, we'll never know. (Looking at you, RiverClan with your disappearing cats.)
They have like 20 different authors and they dont really care enough to communicate (or even read the other books they aren't writing) because in the end this series is a kids book and kids dont really notice these things.
@@juniperz58 Cats age pretty quickly so it's safe to assume Speckletail and OneEye having an age gap probably isn't too massive. Maybe 2 or 3 years. Cats can remain pretty fertile a long while as well, so Snowkit being the last born [and especially as a single kit with health issues like his deafness] would still make sense. Cats dont suffer menopause like humans do. Their litters will become smaller but they don't stop being able to get pregnant. Heres something from an article I read: "Cats do not undergo menopause, and a cat that has not been spayed will continue to be fertile and produce kittens throughout her life. Likewise, she will continue to have estrous cycles - known as going into heat - for her entire life. Most cats are capable of becoming mothers around the age of 6 months. They go into heat twice a year, in spring and summer. The estrous cycle is tied to the production of melatonin, which slows when the days are longer and the nights shorter. Some fertile indoor cats may go into heat every month, because they are exposed to an artificial day-night cycle. As the cat ages, her litters may become smaller, but she remains fertile. Most professional and responsible breeders will spay their queens when they are about 5 years old to preserve the health and well-being of the cats. That’s because pregnancy becomes more difficult and carries greater risk to both mother and kittens as the cat ages."
Susan Crotchfelt the Wolf-Chalk that’s true. I also always thought that queens live longer than normal warriors do? Idk One eye that’s an elder while speckletail is a queen, and the same story with goldenflower and frostfur (frostfur became an elder while goldenflower stayed a queen, and she and Goldenflower has a huge space gap as well) And frostfur was actually more of a warrior than a queen, while goldenflower is like a “full-time” queen. Sorry if this seems confusing, its late and I’m tired😂
'Please, Moonkitti, talk at me more'. That's me. Mostly 'cause I loop your videos in order to fall asleep. They're that perfect balance of funny and wholesome to make the general terrible state of the world at large fade from my brain for a bit.
I like the idea that all the mistakes and retcons in the Warriors series can be excused for alternate universes, and it would be even more epic if this concept was used in the books
Perhaps Sandstorm and Graystripe are secretly former Kittypets, hence why no one ever mentions their parents? That would make some implications as to perhaps why both Sandstorm and Graystripe bonded well with Firestar, as they could secretly relate to his kittypet status. In Bluestar's super edition, there's a time jump to when suddenly she is receiving the "Fire alone will save our clan" prophecy from Spottedleaf after having lost many clanmates in battle and from sickness. Perhaps at this moment, she had already recruited Sandpaw and Graypaw? We never witness (at least from Bluestar's POV) the birth of Sandpaw and Graypaw, so it could be possible she recruited them (Or someone dropped them off)? After doing so, perhaps decided to go at it one more time to go and literally look for a "fire colored cat" to fulfill the prophecy lol? This would also further make us empathize more with how recruiting Rusty angers Tigerclaw, Longtail, the elders, etc as they already had to previously witness the integration of former kittypets Sandpaw and Graypaw from the previous moons. This theory of course, falls apart when we realize that the anger toward "kittypetness" was strictly directed specifically toward Firestar, and never to Sandstorm or Graystripe. Furthermore, Graystripe specifically states his initial disdain toward the kittypet lifestyle when he is taken in for adoption (proving his lack of kittypet experience), and only starts to become appreciative of the lifestyle after he meets Mille. ___ In the quest to find Sandstorm and Graystripe's parents, we can deduce that Whitestorm is likely not Sandstorm's father, since he was her mentor (And the clans don't prefer parents mentoring their own kits). Similarly, Lionheart is likely not Graystripe's father as he was his mentor. Ultimately however, we may never find out their parents as perhaps the writers didn't imagine to go into this much detail into the character's family trees when they started writing this lol. Just imagine, all the implications if Redtail and Brindleface were truly Sandstorm's parents... Ashfur being Squirrelflight's uncle (Yuck). Sandstorm being so cold-hearted as to not in the slightest, show any grief when they died. etc etc.
_I make _*_so many damn mistakes_*_ / in the clubs they call me _*_the book-to-book continuity of the warriors series storyline and major facts involved, often regarding the appearances, relationships, personalities, events, even actual lives, deaths and the utter existence of characters_* / [start of a rad guitar solo but I just break down crying 2 seconds in]
They OBVIOUSLY changed thornclaw to mousewhisker because minnowtail also trained in the dark forest and they wanted to foreshadow a mousewhiskerXminnowtail romance.
I don’t know if it’s really a Retcon but I always wondered about Goldenflower being Swiftkits mom. She barley morns him and we never hear about his father or if Goldenflower has a mate before Tigerclaw. I would wonder if she even told Brambleclaw and Tawnypelt about their dead brother...they certainly never refer to him as such.
Actually, she did mourn for him or something, it's more of a small one throwaway line, not like a family tree mistake. But I really don't care if it's canon or not. Not sure who his father was though.
@@maddymoo1565 True true, it is really depressing and such, but then that means relatives are mentoring relatives which I thought wasn't allowed. Then again, the authors always forgets this rule, like Poppyfrost mentoring Lilypaw, both sisters. Anyways, yeah, the whole family tree thing, I want to disregard that because it's way to heckin' complicated or just unnecessary, like do you really need and want to know who Sandstorm's parents are? But that's just me I guess, and its cool if whoever wants to do whatever and reorder all the clan family tree lines to fit genetically and be accurate as 'real cats' or smth. (Although why do that and give yourself a headache?)
The one question I have that the series seems to have glossed over was Silverflame. In Tallstar's Revenge, Tallpaw notices the ShadowClan warriors exchange knowing and worried glances making Tallpaw wonder if there was something more to the "good news" of Silverflame expecting Yellowfang's mother.
I didn't know some of these cats parents weren't official. Thanks ill remove sandstorm parent in my family tree. Your also right on it doesn't matter who's parents are who thank moonkitti.
Most of the family tree isn't 'official' because it contradicts a lot. I just take whatever in the main series to be canon family tree line and the other information afterwards. So like, in my eyes, Redtail has no kits, Whitestorm only has one mate which is Willowpelt, and Sandstorm has no parents. Additionally, I would HEADCANON that Graystripe is Whitestorm's and Willowpelt's son so it makes sense, although it is not necessary.
I like to theorize that times in ThunderClan were so troubled that family relationships just sort of broke down, only to start uniting again once Firestar entered the picture, explaining why the apprentice and warrior generations didn't seem to have families or familial relationships of any kind. Sadly, Bluestar's Prophecy made it impossible for there to have been, say, a massive famine or plague that wiped out most families and cats in the clans, leaving only individuals...
Why I like Breezepelt: Honestly, it’s mostly because I related to him. I was angry, so, so angry about my life and I felt overlooked. I understood how Breeze felt, and in Crowfeather’s Trial when he became better, it gave me hope that things could change for me too. I also honestly just love characters that should be villains, but manage to pull themselves out of whatever struggle they are in and get better. Was it poorly written? Yes. Do I wish Breeze got a better redemption arc? Yes. However, i will always fondly remember Breezepelt for making me feel like things could change for me, and I will always love him for that.
Speaking of parents, when Ravenpaw came back from from the fight where Redtail died, Golden flower rushed in frantic. It made me think he was her kit but the wiki says otherwise.
@@maddymoo1565 Unless Robinwing died from giving birth to Ravenpaw and Dustpelt. As for Fuzzypelt, he could have died of an illness or something. Oh, and does anyone remember that five kits died in the Leaf-bare right before Firestar came to ThunderClan? I believe Dust and Raven could have had a littermate. Sandstorm would have probably had two littermates and Graystripe with two as well. Boom, five kits who died of greencough in leafbare.
I like to think that if Crowfeather’s trial never happened, Breezepelt and Sol (and possibly sleekwhisker, depending on when it would happen) would team up and be a spicy villain team
I agree that I really don't mind if people draw Dovewing with literally any eye color. The authors sure can't seem to make up their danm minds so I think at that point with so much retconing it should really be up to the reader to interpret it however they want even if her current canon eye color is green. For all we know they could retcon it again and change her eyes back to gold in the next books which would be absolutely hilarious
One of the biggest ‘retcons’ for me is when Ivypaw has to do that river training with Darkstripe in the dark forest and the whole thing is that Hollowpaw( remember HOLLOWPAW) helps her. And then when Ivypool becomes a full dark forest warrior, she is told to mentor the new apprentice, and this is again Hollowpaw, even when we had the whole river thing. Hollowpaw is described to be scared and nervous. And then later on in the series, it mentions that ivypool sees her old apprentice, Furzepaw, is a lot more confident in the dark forest, which makes no sense as 1. Her apprentice was Hollowpaw and 2. Furzepaw was seen in the dark forest before the whole apprentice this?
Can't the authors like.. Do an RP, every person controlling a few Characters and then write a book but with more description of fights, hunting, territories and how does cats look...
Honestly, with the thing of cats having multiple mates (at least with background characters) is somewhat cannon. There was some dialogue in a book where two she-cats say something about being worried their mate is out fighting (and yes, they have the same mate. Both have litters around the same time. Thanks Shadowclan) But loyalty when it comes to romance in the series is only good for main characters, apparently lol. Actually, when it comes to family trees, where after the kits become apprentices, the mother almost never cares for them anymore, and the fathers almost never cared (of course in both cases, there are a few parents who do really care. Sometimes.) I find it weird that Firestar's bloodline is most important in the clan. Like, the cat's themselves actually care about Firestar's kids, and their kid's kids, and their kid's grandkids, ect. Like, it really makes no sense when, aside from a few parent/kit relationships, almost none of the relationships are important after 6 moons. But eh. It's whatever. The books are still pretty cool. I should really catch up on them though lol
Who else comments as soon as a video comes out in hopes that one day your favorite RUclipsr, Moonkitti, knows that you exists on this space rock or maybe you live on Mars who knows!
The book that is needed to discuss what happened to redtail is *Forest of Secrets,* not into the wild.
Indeed we do
the hunters need to get there writing together
Exactly
TacoFox28 hehe yeah
We need a book ABOUT Redtail. He hardly got anything :(
Sandpaw has no parents she just materialized out of thin air and spite
Lumea Noastra but she absolutely hated Firepaw for being a kitty pet so good theory but it doesn’t make much sense
I like to think that her parents were some random minor characters that doesn't have any family lines or anything important to mention, then they died somehow. IDK, since they're both gone.
But I feel better if I don't think about it/if she's just exist for existing sake.
@@MahkRonAKash Oooh! Yes! She's such a good character, and when reading the New Prophecy, I felt bad for her, since her daughters are always disappearing/getting themselves in trouble.
And she gives up her life to help her grandson, and always is there for her children and grandchildren.
I looked it up and apparently her father is Redtail and her mother is Brindleface who was gonna tell me that?
Sandstorm is acually my fav cat-
When the background is a solid color you know it’s going to be good
True dat
The truest words ever spoken
Yep
Y e s
I just realized something. Legally, Dovewing was related to Tigerheart before their relationship. Dovewing’s grandfather is Cloudtail, Cloudtail’s uncle is Firestar, firestar’s son-in-law is Bramblestar, and Bramblestar’s nephew is Tigerheart.
“Don’t abandon me father”
“Oh I will”
_slowly dies in the background_
Lol
Lol
Wait, was this part in this movie??
I mean video, sorry about that
@Olivia Schneider, everything in quotes was in the vid
sometimes i forget moon is an actual person and i think she's just a cat on screen staring into my soul
shardzz Same
AGREED
Saaaame thooo
Same tho
shardzz i thought you meant half moon
My biggest gripe with the more recent books is when Finpaw has to have his tail chomped off and he and everyone else is lamenting about how hard it will be for him to relearn climbing, balance, etc. If only there was some clan cat who Finpaw could talk to who had experienced such trauma too!
.....
I'm genuinely convinced the writers didn't know that Berrynose had the exact same plot used on him. I'm also genuinely convinced they had no idea Berrynose had a stump tail at all, as it is never mentioned again after arch....3? I don't remember which arch. That's not important.
It's just.....why not have Finpaw train under Berrynose upon joining Thunderclan? It would have been the perfect and obvious matchup.
If they had berrynose mentor finpaw I think the #WarriorCatsAbleism crowd would start a revolution
@@captainsnake8515 No....? How is it ableist for Berrynose to help out a cat who went through the same circumstances as him lmao
@@pyrook4074 they got mad that brightheart was picked as jayfeather's mentor. Some of the stuff they say is reasonable but sometimes they get mad over crazy stuff like that.
@@captainsnake8515 ohhh yeah i totally get what you mean now! however i think most people who are upset at brightheart's mentorship is more upset with the way she treated him, not that a partially blind cat is teaching another blind cat. it was because brightheart refused to teach jay proper battle moves or hunting because she thought his blindness wouldnt allow him, at least thats how i took the outrage
pyro ok Hmm, now I ought to re-read The Sight. That does make sense from Brightheart’s point of view though, she essentially had to reteach herself everything after her accident since she had already learned it all once but couldn’t use those techniques while blind on one side. Jayfeather was starting from scratch, and didn’t have the knowledge base to be able to properly learn her own adaptations of the standard moves. That honestly explains a lot about why that mentorship didn’t work.
Tulipkit: The kit that was hidden from existence since birth.
Wait Isn't tulip kit Brindleface's and Whitestorm's kit? I feel like he looked like Ashkit to be honest.
@@lunathelightfury2795 Never ever once are they mentioned to exist in TPB. Also, Whitestorm being a father is a retcon, as it says in the video.
Captain Animate oh okay I was confused too because in Warriors wiki it says she is. Hm
@@meliponalord8892 Yea the wiki is confusing :(
There was another one, too. Elderkit. Elderkit and Tulipkit: the forbidden littermates of Ashfur and Ferncloud.
i always loved the idea of Dovewing having her eyecolor linked to her power. Like she is tuning in on the sea its blue, listening into the forest, green, if listening outside the clans (like when she hears the beavers) its gold/hazel
Edit: not otters but beavers, poor choice of words there from me
Oooooo :0
I love this headcanon so much
I believe they are a an olive colour. A mix between gold and green tbh.
I always had a headcanon that Dovewings eyes were both blue and yellow/gold, but then they just mixed together and now their green lmao. I know it's VERY unrealistic but idc.
Would explain why they're permentally green now
i like to imagine the characters are self-aware about the terrible family trees with implied incest and just never mention it because it would end up as a 300 message discord debate and nobody wants that
That helps
Yeah
That sounds about right
*Squilf and bramble are cousins*
I accept that.
@@abigailw7146 mind explaining? Also law doesn't really count and Redtail and Brindleface aren't considered Sandstorm's parents on any official sites or the warriors wiki
@@abigailw7146 No they aren't. Sandstorm doesn't have parents and Firestar's parents are both kittypets. Brambleclaw has no kittypet blood.
dovewing: continues having her eye colour changed
me: *casually draws her with heterochromia cause i do what i want*
One eye blue one eye green and the bottom of her eyes are gold
I draw her with one purple eye and one green eye because screw realistic designs I do what I want (not that there’s anything wrong with preferring realistic designs I just like making my cats look f u n k y)
I just dont give her eyes, simple
@@topmalk just because youre blind doesnt mean you can do this to her
Galaxy Elixer and yet, i manage
wait, Dovewing's eyes have been Gold, Blue and Green?
..oh. They're actually all three - green around the iris, fades to gold and then there's a blue ring.
Source: My own cats have eyes that "color". It's natural, and everyone arguing has possibly never seen a cat.
Head cannon accepted!
No longer do I believe Dovewing's eyes are blue, because I can just believe this instead
I know what you mean and i understand your point of veiw, her more realistic eyes just seem out of place in warriors bc every other cat has a solid eye colour.
You know what... I think your right!
And I don't even need to see your cat because my eyes are the same, except vis versa!
@@Spar_row_ that sounds pretty cool tbh!
I hate how in Twilight they emphasise Crowfeather’s AMBER eyes, like, c’mon, they’re obviously blue
Crowfeather will always have blue eyes and thats a fact
IKR???!!!
Him and dovewing should chat and relate about their crazy eye stuff
Also, everyone thinks his fur is black when it's really just dark gray.
@@SulpuuricAcid ikr
How does no one realize the Mintkit and Marigold kit inconsistency was done on purpose???
Yellowfang thinks that maybe she smells fox. No one else smells it, and there are no other signs of a fox. This is clearly her trying to rationalize this in her grief. They are her siblings after all. That's why it's such a shock when Yellowfang finds out Brokenstar was the one who killed the kits. I can't believe that was so confusing for people.
I agree, it was never outright stated “yeah, a fox killed them.” That was just what everybody assumed, because the alternatives were so horrible.
Agreed. Kinda sad they made the kits just to kill them off, Marigold is such a cute name, and her design is pretty. I think she’d be named Marigoldheart cus she was so sweet, And Mintkit would be Mintblaze cus he was so energetic and loud all the time. Poor kits
@@abigailkondoudis5772 I have a pair of OCs I named after Marigoldkit and Mintkit because I feel terrible that they died so young (Their names are Marigoldfur and Mintwhisker)
I honestly consider tigerheart and tigerheartstar different characters
Yep,he was better before he was leader tbh
Well I mean he did die transforming from Tigerheart into Tigerheartstar so..... you’re not exactly wrong.
@@The_-_- reminds me of another brown tom….
@@rezi8550 why did I think of Hawkfrost here?
Let’s not forget cats like Heavystep and Beetlewhisker coming back to life
And ambermoon :/
@@lumeanoastra1252 greystipe is the new spottedleaf. He will visit squirrelflight every night
Petalfur
Or Heronwing
They brought Beetlewhisker back? I thought he stayed dead.
Not that I'm unhappy, Beetlewhisker and Ivypool are the two Dark Forest cats who don't deserve to be sent back there.
Brackenfur is Cinderheart’s dad, but since Cinderheart is also Cinderpelt, Brackenfur is her dad and brother.
uhh... GOod thing they split up like separate entities?
WTF
yep
Oh god...Brackenfur, you naughty naughty boi
I've been thinking about this for a year and I'm glad someone finally said it.
I can't believe that now that they're finally fixing their mistake of making Ashfur "just misunderstood" after his attempted murders, they're doing the exact same thing again with breezepelt.
Maybe in a couple arcs we'll have a plot where breezepelt was evil all along and possesses jayfeather lol.
Oh I guarantee Ashfur is getting redeemed. The cover and blurb for book 5 heavily imply that Squilf and Ashfur are going to project to the Dark Forest together to go after whoever Ashfur’s “employers” are. As much as I’d love to see Ashfur remain straight evil for the whole arc, he’s almost certainly getting redeemed. At least he’ll probably get a good arc out of it this time, so that’s an improvement over Power of Three Ashfur.
Nathan2055 If he’s redeemed, I will die. I already had a heart attack for Breezepelt’s “redemption”.
Little Kitten I mean, here’s hoping it’s more of a “teaming up for the greater good” thing after they reveal whoever is actually behind this whole scheme (since it’s probably not Ashfur). Obviously, at a bare minimum he would have to agree to try and help get Bramblestar’s spirit back into his body (which may or may not be why they’re traveling to the Dark Forest), and preferably Ashfur should receive some kind of punishment for his actions (that may or may not tie into his redemption), such as his ghost getting killed or otherwise fading or maybe just Ashfur having to agree to trap himself in the Dark Forest or something.
Really, it all depends on how much of a jerk Ashfur is over the next two books and/or how bad the mastermind is in comparison to him (again, assuming that Ashfur is working for someone, if he’s the one planning all of this and remains straight evil that would be amazing, but it really doesn’t look like they’re going that route).
@@Nathan-kk6lb he didnt!! nice change of pace bc i was WORRIED lmao
@@Nathan-kk6lb This aged well :)
My favorite retcons are the random gender swaps. Mosskit, Brick, Rowanclaw, ect.
They're trans now. I make the rules.
I like to believe that they intentionally did that because the characters are trans, even though that’s obviously not true and it was just an error haha. Screw it, I need my trans representation
crikitoon go look at Rowanclaws warriorcats.com profile
THE ART SHOWS HIM AS TRANS
HE IS TRANS
AAAAAAAAA
I *think* trans Rowanclaw was intentional, since they had several chances to fix that in modern TNP-era material and they left it as is. They probably will never admit it though, since the publishers wouldn’t even allow them to say Ravenpaw/Barley and Tallstar/Jake were mates even though it’s *heavily* implied (and they confirmed outside the books that that was always the intention).
That being said, most of the other gender swaps were 100% errors, since they mostly got changed back later on.
@@Nathan-kk6lb Sadly I don't think they intended to have a trans character. On the other LGBT+ characters the authors have come out and said flat out that was the case. Rowanclaw's gender appears to only have changed so he could be Tawnypelt's mate. While the others were a result of the authors not exactly reading the books. For instance Mosskit starts out as a tom in TPB but doesn't become a molly until Bluestar's prophecy. Then Mosskit continues to change from molly to tom in each book. Other characters are one offs whose reappearances feature their genders being swapped. Rushtooth and Brick are such characters. While I'd love their to be a trans or gender fluid character I'm waiting for them to not be an authors mistake. Though I still love trans headcannons!
i once talked to someone who said the erins all write alone in separate rooms, never talking to each other, and i'm not completely convinced he wasn't wrong
They have a psychic connection. A scratchy one, but it's there.
Plot Twist:) Breezepelt's character has changed due to being possessed.
Breezepelt, at some point after the Great Battle, is somehow badly injured, leaving him in a near-death scenario. During this time, a spirit pocesses him. This spirit is probably a young warrior, apprentice, or exile longing to live the life they never had/could've had, so they take Breezepelt's. I'd imagine Breezepelt would either be infuriated or depressed by seeing how his Clanmates and everyone around him adores this new Breezepelt, but idk how this idea would end/play out.
Note:) This idea was just intriguing to me, especially seeing how it happened to Bramblestar and I thought it could explain why Breezepelt seems to change so quickly.
That could make a pretty interesting AU.
For a while I had a theory that Breezepelt's body somehow got possessed-- maybe by Fallen Leaves -- and then he became the imposter
But no
It's ashfur
We all know this
Grr
Horizon Penblade Honestly, it’d be amazing if it *wasn’t* Ashfur, even though everyone thinks it is, and then Ashfur’s ghost comes and helps them fight the real imposter.
But it’s definitely Ashfur. At least we know he’s working for someone and we have no idea who that is. But the imposter is definitely Ashfur.
Horizon Penblade
Nah, that doesn’t seem likely. Fallen Leaves doesn’t seem like the type to possess someone.
Anyway, I know it’s most likely Assfur.
Cool idea and love that profile pic
Warriors has a problem I like to call "too many cooks in the kitchen". When you have that many hands in the pot it's easy for this person to forget to tell that person that this cat is actually female/has blue eyes/is directly related to Willowpelt.
Imagine a moonkitti podcast
(Of just "End this cat, here's why")
Foxboi999 [GlitchFox] but wiat now i wnat a moonkitti podcast
Yessss
Only if it’s called “Breezepelt Must Die” and at least once an episode she goes on a tangent about why Breezey needs a one-way ticket to the newly invented Darker Forest.
She's already in Words on Warriors Podcats thing, but if its just her talking, then idk. I think that'd be interesting.
I watch the video that your profile picture is from just about every day
please moonkitti talk more warrior cats at me :heart_eyes: :heart_eyes:
edit: :heart_eyes:
:heart_eyes:
:heart_eyes:
:heart_eyes:
:heart_eyes:
*You can't do that in RUclips :(*
There is also Smokepaw, a shadowclan apprentice who makes the great journey but dies on the way (falls when trying to get across a mountain and rocks fall on him or something), but then a book or two later he is seen as a warrior called Smokefoot
Yeah I felt like smokepaws death was to show how dangerous it was but then he comes back????
he simply survived
Maybe he's pronounced dead but like, reappears? Climbs out as they're coming back from the journey and becomes Smokefoot??
@@Moony1568 it's ok, he got better
I haven't even read a Warrior Cats book in years, but it's genuinely interesting to me when Moonkitti describes it.
lmao im trying to get back into it (stopped reading after the last hope) so im watching these to hype myself up and prepare for the inevitable annoyance ill feel
Oh boy, Moonkitti’s OC and a solid background! Get ready!
my comments are always so irrelevant but-
little moonkitti in front of the little mic. that frame has my entire heart.
Please timestamp
in Greystripe's vow, he keeps repeating he's never been to the Moonstone, despite him visiting it as an apprentice.
Moonkitti: I don't need to know who's mother is to be satisfied
Hollyleaf: Deathberry. Eat it. Now.
Brindleface- " whitestorms the father "
Whitestorm - " THOSE AINT MINE!"
Brindleface - " oh well then anyone could be the father ...I mean ANYONE!"
Neat reference
Another point to the Onestar thing it was always very clear that the reason he changed so much was to prove that he was a capable leader, and didn't need to rely on ThunderClan or ANY Clan for help. So to give him a REASON (like a secret kittypet family) to hate Firestar when he already HAD a valid enough reason to become complete trash just....eugh. It seems like unnecessary stuff added for that extra drama. It's good drama, but still.
Ribotto Studios Honestly I wish Mistystar had that plot line
Not that it’s a kittypet, but maybe she made the same mistake as bluestar and didn’t want her kit to go through what she did, being halfclan
Plus just please let her die
Onestar's character is all over the place. Onewhisker is totally different from Onestar, and I know characters can go through great changes, but he feels... completely unnecessary? Like Onewhisker is someone hard-working and willing to help his Clan. He also doesn't mind too much to be friendly with other Clan cats. A good reason and candidate for Tallstar to pick. However, ever since he became leader, it just... changed.
And yeah the whole kittypet thing kind of threw me off. It's kind of the thing rat-Onestar would do, but not Onewhisker. but maybe he's been like this all along.
I imagine dovewing having green eyes that kiiiinda look blue in some lighting like in some cats. But still green
Hazel eyes?
@@painslut exactly
That would also explain the single usage of gold in The Fourth Apprentice. It’s either that, or her eyes turn blue from her powers (which explains why they’re consistently green after the Three get depowered after the end of Omen of the Stars).
@@Nathan-kk6lb that is THE BEST theory
I would also like to mention that I think it’s funny how the editorial team is using family relations in Graystripe’s super edition. Graystripe is grieving over Stemleaf when he goes “Ah, poor Spotfur, his mate. Who looks just like her kin, Frostfur. Who reminds me of her son, Ravenpaw.” Like...cool?
Can we talk about Snowkit's sister? She literally appeared 1 or 2 times and then disappeared
i have absolutely zero memory of snowkit's sister
Fia Durhuus She was in the book before the book Snowkit died in. It’s mentioned that one of Speckletail’s two kits is in the medicine den. Fireheart goes to visit her and persuades her to eat her medicine so that “she can become a strong warrior for her clan.” But in the next book she is just gone. I think her name was Mistlekit
@@egg5113 i remember that scene! kind of annoying how she just disappeared.
Fia Durhuus Yeah! They could have done so much with her, especially after Snowkit died. She could have had beef with Bluestar or something bc she was so wrapped up in her “war” against Starclan that she didn’t care about her brother
I honestly can't call the writing of Warrior Cats "good". There are so many inconsistencies and mistakes that it makes it unbearable to read to me, but at the same time I want to keep reading. I don't know if I like it don't like warriors anymore.
the fandom pulls us in.
I mean but its alot of books... so its kinda hard
i hate the actual writing style of warriors and yet im obsessed w the funny cats
I'm actually kind of surprised you didn't bring up the "retcon" that in the new prophecy Squirrelflight's Mentor is listed as Dustpelt but later on in the series Squirrelflight herself says that Brambleclaw was her Mentor in a conversation with him.
When Brambleclaw was said to not have mentored when he became deputy, which at the time was a big deal in the clan, until Berrykit turned 6 moons.
Jax-Ninja Nat Dustpelt is. He’s always been
@@abigailw7146 i know that's what I'm says, squirrelflight says to Bramblestar that he was her mentor and that he tought her well, even though it was actually Dustpelt. And its Baffling to me that they would mess that up because Brambleclaw's who issue after his daddy issues was that he was Deputy without an apprentice.
Also the fact that she 'had' a vigil when she didn't.
@@nectar2636 the fact that she was one of the only cats to not have a vigil and they STILL messed it up
@@jax-ninjanat8778 I thought that she only said that he taught her well in Bramblestar’s storm, not specifically that he was her mentor, though I might be remembering wrong. To me that more so implies their history traveling together to the sun drowned place and him teaching her a few things along the way, not necessarily his claim to being her mentor
THANK YOU for validating my confusion when Squilf told Tigerheartstar he wouldn't remember the great battle. I had to stop reading for a moment and think about the fact that the writing team completely skipped over his ENTIRE story arc.
Tigerstar didn't even say Redtail killed Oakheart, though. He said Oakheart killed Redtail, and then Tigerstar killed Oakheart "while he was still gloating over his victory." Both Ravenpaw and Firepaw misinterpreted that Redtail killed Oakheart because they didn't see the rocks fall on Oakheart. All Ravenpaw knows is that Redtail screamed "Oakheart is dead" while covered in blood.
I still agree that they did not research enough, if at all. I know this shit from memory, the least they could have done is just read more than two passages in a book.
Get ready for a terrible arc,thats way better then the arc your reading!So you don’t even notice
True, but Fireheart stated that Bluestar didn’t believe him when he warned her about Tigerclaw because she didn’t believe Redtail would murder anyone. In fact there’s a whole scene where Riverclan confirms that Oakheart died under the rocks. In Fire and Ice, or Forest of Secrets. Redtail’s Debt was, unfortunately, very messy.
I was SO CONFUSED when I read Redtail's Debt 😂 That bothered me so much
I wish the writers would actually read each other's previous books lmao
Or have a series Bible. I could be wrong, but I thought I heard somewhere that they don’t have a series Bible for warriors.
@@karietothepowerofbooks5205 oh yeah i think kate cary confirmed that she actually uses the warriors wiki for VITAL INFORMATION, and this was back when the wiki was worse as well
Me: wasn't there that thing where Smokepaw fell off a cliff in the mountains during the great journey?
Also me: didn't he come back in a later book as a full warrior with an apprentice of his own?
@@siobhannoble8545 lmao I can't that's amazing
It's little changes in the books that make writing AUs fun. Like how in my AU, Redtail and Goldenflower are Sandstorm's parents (which solves the Ashfur uncle problem). You might be thinking "oh no, what about Squirrel x Bramble?!", consider this: He doesn't exist in my AU.
AUs are a lot of fun, but also a lot of work.
Yup. To me, specifically, tho, Sandstorm is Lionheart and Frostfur's kits (AU?) And Frostfur and Brindleface aren't related.
I like that Sandstorm is the older sister type to her siblings (Cinderpelt, Brightheart, Thornclaw, and Brackenfur).
I went to see cats (the worst movie ever) and my friend thought it was warrior cats 😂😂😂😂
Ah yea, Cats stunk
my mom saw some thing called cats live at a theater before I was born or something around when I was 1
Idek O.o
Oh my Starclan XDD
XD
@@aiden-idontusethisaccounta432 That was probably the musical Cats that the MOVIE Cats is based on.
Y'know, it's lowkey kinda pathetic that there are so many retcons/continuity errors that we can actually have this whole discussion. These people are being PAID to slap these books together, yet somehow fans (including literal children) are able to keep better track of the lore just because they actually vaguely care.
Hell, the writers don't even have to make their own series bible because we have an entire fan-made encyclopedia with more information than they could ever hope for. It's literally as easy as it could get for them to double check information.
That means Spottedleaf is related to Sandstorm
Win Win for me
Firestar leader of ThunderClan oop
Firestar leader of ThunderClan also aren’t you dead
No
Sorry Ciderpelt
Talk at me more
Oh, I wish that was what my friends said when I rant to warriors at them
I actually caught a retcon in the books just the other day, or at least a mistake. In Power of Three: The Sight, there is a bout of greencough going through Thunderclan camp, and this is when Jayfeather saves Poppypaw from dying of the illness. However, as the clan is discussing hunting patrols, Millie who had recently joined the clan, told Firestar that she could go out on hunting patrols without risk of greencough, because when she was a kittypet she was taken the the cutter (vet) and no longer gets sick. However, later on in the series (I don’t remember the specific book don’t come for me) a very severe outbreak of greencough breaks out in Thunderclan, causing them to quarantine the sick cats in the abandoned twoleg nest to prevent further spread. And very notably it is mentioned that Millie is one of the sickest cats in the bunch. It seems to me that the authors completely forgot about Millie’s previous “immunity” to illnesses, and just wanted to create more drama involving Graystripe almost losing another mate. Feel free to tell me if I’m wrong!
Maybe her immunity disappered with time?
We can assume the thing keeping Millie well is a vaccine like how pets get rabies and heart worm shots, which don’t last forever. And if Millie had been vaccinated all her life that also gives some reason for why the second couch outbreak hits her harder, she doesn’t have a developed immune system after it not being used for years, (or it wasn’t used to the full capacity at least)
@@BeetleBuggy01 that's not how vaccines work - they don't replace the immune system, they 'train' and strengthen it. This 'training' can fade over time, but it's never going to leave you less prepared that someone who wasn't vaccinated, and probably a bit more
Vaccines' effects kind of fade overtime, which, I think, is why you have to take multiple shots for a certain disease. Millie could still have gotten sick but the mistake is still there, she probably shouldn’t have been the one of the sickest cats. She’d probably be one of the closer to healing as soon as she caught it
Edit: Spelling
Moonkitti: going on tangents about series 3-5. Me just finishing series 2: oh boi spill the tea sis
I started with series 2 read 3 4 skipped DOTC and now I'm reading about anxious cherries kitty
I like to imagine Dovewing's eyes are a teal - turquoise sorta color with golden parts (idk which. Maybe rims around the pupils but sectoral heterochromia would look cool too). And when she's using her powers they turn fully golden & glow bc I live for "character's eyes glow when using powers" kind of tropes
The Author's got fooled by the cat that they created.. Wow lmao ( im talking abt how whoever plotted Redtail's debt got fooled by Tigerclaw)
yesss
Tigerclaw never said that tho. He said that Oakheart killed Redtail and not the other way around
I still don’t understand why Runningwind can’t be/isn’t the father of Ashfur and Ferncloud, but somehow mates with Dappletail. It makes NO sense.
yeah dappletail was like an elder when he was a young warrior
ikr
Breezepelt in OOTS: I kill u now
Breezepelt in TBC: I am soft angel
Yup. In OOTS he was ready to kill blind med cat and pregnant cat, but in the future books, he's just 'dont you remember the battle against Dark Forest?'
Good news! According to the family tree on the website, Sandstorm isn't Redtail and Brindleface's kit anymore! One less way everyone is related to everyone!
I've always liked Redtail and Brindleface together (and Sandstorm being their daughter) for some reason, even though they never interact lol
I like Tennelle's DoveWing theory about how they change when she uses her power.
Like bbc's merlin!!!
I feel like I know most of the problems with the things brought up in the video. Most of them are because Erin hunter (I’m just saying this for implying all the writers) didn’t have a consistent story line, they came up with everything as they went. They didn’t think it out they just went with what their mind came up with. At least that’s my theory
They've actually confirmed that they only plan a few books ahead of time......which is very unfortunate
@Melissa Rodgers There are so many characters that disappear. LIke they were kits or apprentices in the allegiance never to be seen again. Since were not in their POV Clan, we'll never know. (Looking at you, RiverClan with your disappearing cats.)
Also why are these books so contradictive
They;re warrior cats books 😂
Poor communication within the team 😔
Bc they got like 20 authors
They have like 20 different authors and they dont really care enough to communicate (or even read the other books they aren't writing) because in the end this series is a kids book and kids dont really notice these things.
When most of the Oc Villains are more thought out and better than most of the canon villans.
I feel so bad about what this series has become.
Or when the villain Au’s make more sense and are more interesting then the regular canon
Dovewing's eyes: exist
Lion King fandom: you're new here arent you
@Miranda Zhang People used to argue over Nala's eyes for years to the point it was the best way to cause infighting lol
Nala's eyes are green but sometimes they look blue because of lighting--- which is cool, because that's my headcanon for Dovewing's eyes
In Bluestar’s prophecy Speckletail is WAAYY older than White-eye (One-eye)
sooo no snowkit?
Joana Feitosa de Figueiredo probably not 😂
But like speckletail was a warrior (young tho) when one-eye was born
@@juniperz58 Cats age pretty quickly so it's safe to assume Speckletail and OneEye having an age gap probably isn't too massive. Maybe 2 or 3 years. Cats can remain pretty fertile a long while as well, so Snowkit being the last born [and especially as a single kit with health issues like his deafness] would still make sense. Cats dont suffer menopause like humans do. Their litters will become smaller but they don't stop being able to get pregnant.
Heres something from an article I read: "Cats do not undergo menopause, and a cat that has not been spayed will continue to be fertile and produce kittens throughout her life. Likewise, she will continue to have estrous cycles - known as going into heat - for her entire life.
Most cats are capable of becoming mothers around the age of 6 months. They go into heat twice a year, in spring and summer. The estrous cycle is tied to the production of melatonin, which slows when the days are longer and the nights shorter. Some fertile indoor cats may go into heat every month, because they are exposed to an artificial day-night cycle.
As the cat ages, her litters may become smaller, but she remains fertile. Most professional and responsible breeders will spay their queens when they are about 5 years old to preserve the health and well-being of the cats. That’s because pregnancy becomes more difficult and carries greater risk to both mother and kittens as the cat ages."
Susan Crotchfelt the Wolf-Chalk that’s true. I also always thought that queens live longer than normal warriors do? Idk One eye that’s an elder while speckletail is a queen, and the same story with goldenflower and frostfur (frostfur became an elder while goldenflower stayed a queen, and she and Goldenflower has a huge space gap as well) And frostfur was actually more of a warrior than a queen, while goldenflower is like a “full-time” queen.
Sorry if this seems confusing, its late and I’m tired😂
I personally think that dovewing has kaleidoscope eyes witch means that they change colour not that the colour matters
'Please, Moonkitti, talk at me more'. That's me. Mostly 'cause I loop your videos in order to fall asleep. They're that perfect balance of funny and wholesome to make the general terrible state of the world at large fade from my brain for a bit.
I like the idea that all the mistakes and retcons in the Warriors series can be excused for alternate universes, and it would be even more epic if this concept was used in the books
That's why people make a lot of AU's! Never seen a fandom with so much AU's and headcanons, haha.
I think we just like listening to her rant about things. I do. Her voice is soothing.
Perhaps Sandstorm and Graystripe are secretly former Kittypets, hence why no one ever mentions their parents? That would make some implications as to perhaps why both Sandstorm and Graystripe bonded well with Firestar, as they could secretly relate to his kittypet status.
In Bluestar's super edition, there's a time jump to when suddenly she is receiving the "Fire alone will save our clan" prophecy from Spottedleaf after having lost many clanmates in battle and from sickness. Perhaps at this moment, she had already recruited Sandpaw and Graypaw? We never witness (at least from Bluestar's POV) the birth of Sandpaw and Graypaw, so it could be possible she recruited them (Or someone dropped them off)? After doing so, perhaps decided to go at it one more time to go and literally look for a "fire colored cat" to fulfill the prophecy lol?
This would also further make us empathize more with how recruiting Rusty angers Tigerclaw, Longtail, the elders, etc as they already had to previously witness the integration of former kittypets Sandpaw and Graypaw from the previous moons.
This theory of course, falls apart when we realize that the anger toward "kittypetness" was strictly directed specifically toward Firestar, and never to Sandstorm or Graystripe. Furthermore, Graystripe specifically states his initial disdain toward the kittypet lifestyle when he is taken in for adoption (proving his lack of kittypet experience), and only starts to become appreciative of the lifestyle after he meets Mille.
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In the quest to find Sandstorm and Graystripe's parents, we can deduce that Whitestorm is likely not Sandstorm's father, since he was her mentor (And the clans don't prefer parents mentoring their own kits). Similarly, Lionheart is likely not Graystripe's father as he was his mentor.
Ultimately however, we may never find out their parents as perhaps the writers didn't imagine to go into this much detail into the character's family trees when they started writing this lol.
Just imagine, all the implications if Redtail and Brindleface were truly Sandstorm's parents... Ashfur being Squirrelflight's uncle (Yuck). Sandstorm being so cold-hearted as to not in the slightest, show any grief when they died. etc etc.
_I make _*_so many damn mistakes_*_ / in the clubs they call me _*_the book-to-book continuity of the warriors series storyline and major facts involved, often regarding the appearances, relationships, personalities, events, even actual lives, deaths and the utter existence of characters_* / [start of a rad guitar solo but I just break down crying 2 seconds in]
As someone who's hearing impaired, I need automated captions before I can enjoy the video.
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Same, but the captions are unavailable.
They OBVIOUSLY changed thornclaw to mousewhisker because minnowtail also trained in the dark forest and they wanted to foreshadow a mousewhiskerXminnowtail romance.
I don’t know if it’s really a Retcon but I always wondered about Goldenflower being Swiftkits mom. She barley morns him and we never hear about his father or if Goldenflower has a mate before Tigerclaw. I would wonder if she even told Brambleclaw and Tawnypelt about their dead brother...they certainly never refer to him as such.
Actually, she did mourn for him or something, it's more of a small one throwaway line, not like a family tree mistake. But I really don't care if it's canon or not. Not sure who his father was though.
Random Potato yeah I think I remember her going to his vigil but they make more references to Longtail being sadder about Swiftpaws death then her.
@@maddymoo1565 True true, it is really depressing and such, but then that means relatives are mentoring relatives which I thought wasn't allowed. Then again, the authors always forgets this rule, like Poppyfrost mentoring Lilypaw, both sisters.
Anyways, yeah, the whole family tree thing, I want to disregard that because it's way to heckin' complicated or just unnecessary, like do you really need and want to know who Sandstorm's parents are? But that's just me I guess, and its cool if whoever wants to do whatever and reorder all the clan family tree lines to fit genetically and be accurate as 'real cats' or smth. (Although why do that and give yourself a headache?)
ok but dustpelt was crushed about redtails death because he was his mentor but sandstorm was his daughter and she just kinda sat there lmfao
I like listening to this while doing the dishes
I was gonna do that but I gotta watch my kitten
tfw even a crumb of communication between authors/editors would solve 90% of warriors continuity errors
“Starclan cats look like when they were happiest in their life”
Bro Jayfeather just wouldn’t exist at that point
Pfft-
(What if a cat was happiest as a kit 👀)
The one question I have that the series seems to have glossed over was Silverflame. In Tallstar's Revenge, Tallpaw notices the ShadowClan warriors exchange knowing and worried glances making Tallpaw wonder if there was something more to the "good news" of Silverflame expecting Yellowfang's mother.
They SERIOUSLY need to hire a consistency editor
And it needs to be you
I'm not that good at this lol
@@Moonkitti ok fine tenelle then :)
or someone in the fandom since the youtube community is clearly better at this than the books ;u;
WHY DO I ADORE THESE TYPES OF VIDEOS PLEASE MAKE MORE MOONKITTI WE DESIRE YOUR OPINIONS ABOUT CATS
And also I like hearing you ramble abt said cats
Chubby Crowfeather...I did not know he existed....I need more of him...
I didn't know some of these cats parents weren't official. Thanks ill remove sandstorm parent in my family tree. Your also right on it doesn't matter who's parents are who thank moonkitti.
Most of the family tree isn't 'official' because it contradicts a lot. I just take whatever in the main series to be canon family tree line and the other information afterwards. So like, in my eyes, Redtail has no kits, Whitestorm only has one mate which is Willowpelt, and Sandstorm has no parents.
Additionally, I would HEADCANON that Graystripe is Whitestorm's and Willowpelt's son so it makes sense, although it is not necessary.
@@nectar2636 YES TO ALL OF THIS
I like to theorize that times in ThunderClan were so troubled that family relationships just sort of broke down, only to start uniting again once Firestar entered the picture, explaining why the apprentice and warrior generations didn't seem to have families or familial relationships of any kind.
Sadly, Bluestar's Prophecy made it impossible for there to have been, say, a massive famine or plague that wiped out most families and cats in the clans, leaving only individuals...
This is what happens when multiple people work on the same book series.
Why I like Breezepelt:
Honestly, it’s mostly because I related to him. I was angry, so, so angry about my life and I felt overlooked. I understood how Breeze felt, and in Crowfeather’s Trial when he became better, it gave me hope that things could change for me too.
I also honestly just love characters that should be villains, but manage to pull themselves out of whatever struggle they are in and get better.
Was it poorly written? Yes. Do I wish Breeze got a better redemption arc? Yes. However, i will always fondly remember Breezepelt for making me feel like things could change for me, and I will always love him for that.
Speaking of parents, when Ravenpaw came back from from the fight where Redtail died, Golden flower rushed in frantic. It made me think he was her kit but the wiki says otherwise.
@@maddymoo1565 Unless Robinwing died from giving birth to Ravenpaw and Dustpelt. As for Fuzzypelt, he could have died of an illness or something. Oh, and does anyone remember that five kits died in the Leaf-bare right before Firestar came to ThunderClan? I believe Dust and Raven could have had a littermate. Sandstorm would have probably had two littermates and Graystripe with two as well. Boom, five kits who died of greencough in leafbare.
You should make a playlist called “Moonkitti with an i as in i talk too much”
I like to think that if Crowfeather’s trial never happened, Breezepelt and Sol (and possibly sleekwhisker, depending on when it would happen) would team up and be a spicy villain team
Snowkit's sister magically disappeared after he
*Cough cough spoilers cough cough*
died and his mother became an elder. RIP Mistlekit
lots of moonkittis videos are stupid comedy, and then you watch these and you realize shes actually incredibly smart 👀
I agree that I really don't mind if people draw Dovewing with literally any eye color. The authors sure can't seem to make up their danm minds so I think at that point with so much retconing it should really be up to the reader to interpret it however they want even if her current canon eye color is green. For all we know they could retcon it again and change her eyes back to gold in the next books which would be absolutely hilarious
One of the biggest ‘retcons’ for me is when Ivypaw has to do that river training with Darkstripe in the dark forest and the whole thing is that Hollowpaw( remember HOLLOWPAW) helps her. And then when Ivypool becomes a full dark forest warrior, she is told to mentor the new apprentice, and this is again Hollowpaw, even when we had the whole river thing. Hollowpaw is described to be scared and nervous. And then later on in the series, it mentions that ivypool sees her old apprentice, Furzepaw, is a lot more confident in the dark forest, which makes no sense as 1. Her apprentice was Hollowpaw and 2. Furzepaw was seen in the dark forest before the whole apprentice this?
Can't the authors like.. Do an RP, every person controlling a few Characters and then write a book but with more description of fights, hunting, territories and how does cats look...
can we talk about how redtail's debt said absolutely nothing about sandstorm or brindleface
Yellowfang's secret and Bluestar's Promise also get Crookedstar's mom wrong
Petition to make Moonkitti the new Erin Hunter
Thankyou for talking about Redtail's debt!!
Honestly, with the thing of cats having multiple mates (at least with background characters) is somewhat cannon. There was some dialogue in a book where two she-cats say something about being worried their mate is out fighting (and yes, they have the same mate. Both have litters around the same time. Thanks Shadowclan)
But loyalty when it comes to romance in the series is only good for main characters, apparently lol.
Actually, when it comes to family trees, where after the kits become apprentices, the mother almost never cares for them anymore, and the fathers almost never cared (of course in both cases, there are a few parents who do really care. Sometimes.)
I find it weird that Firestar's bloodline is most important in the clan. Like, the cat's themselves actually care about Firestar's kids, and their kid's kids, and their kid's grandkids, ect.
Like, it really makes no sense when, aside from a few parent/kit relationships, almost none of the relationships are important after 6 moons.
But eh. It's whatever. The books are still pretty cool.
I should really catch up on them though lol
8:50 I’ve lost count of how many cats in Warriors have disappeared without explanation
these are my favorite videos because for some reason i obtain a lot of comfort from your voice
Snow kit had a sibling but she was literally forgotten lol
Rip Mistlekit, victim of too many Erins
Who else comments as soon as a video comes out in hopes that one day your favorite RUclipsr, Moonkitti, knows that you exists on this space rock or maybe you live on Mars who knows!
Me I do
Everyone Is everyones uncle.
'Jake is everyone's dad,
Jake is YOUR dad' -Moonkitti
I love watching these longer rant videos. They're a good thing to have running in the background while writing
Its perfectly fine to inbreed in thunderclan after all how do you think Ashfur got that hair