Tbh, I like fatslob. He's playing the game the way we all enjoyed it as a kid, he just actual strategy behind it. Plus he's honest and seems like a nice guy.
nicermog Ya. Orlando Salido and Francisco Vargas in their fight, for instance, both threw over 1,000 punches. You'll easily throw a few hundred over the course of an hour of bag/mitt work.
"What's the worst that could happen?" 3 hours later you have anxiety, crippling depression and every time you see something resembling a large wall you get a PTSD attack. Professionals call it "The Fatslob Effect".
fatslob is like an a chef with average cooking skills especially with chopping things fast but he's got a really distinctive and clear picture of the flavour he's going for. restaurants like that generally are very successful.
hello community I am listroyo I was surprised to see that they had recorded me in a game sorry if you do not understand my English is translated in google I write this to answer many people who asked why I killed the army and it is because I 1vs1 that I play are fast not to be 1h in fact game that day I remember it perfectly was in a hurry they were waiting for me and I thought it would be faster 1v1 without getting cornered just waiting for me to attack to burn resources I was all boring game except the principle that I did not know he would do that pesima strategy to stay all the time with scorpions to defend for me that is not age of empires I am an apprentice but these games seem pathetic and I ended up being bored for that and everything was unimportant unfortunately I was in a hurry and I could only play a game if I came to know that the dirty game would have been another game if you want to play a serious game from the comments you I offer a 1vs1 to the best of 5 in arabia. Is there me you show what you are capable of? Do you accept the challenge?
Ok, red had 2 hours to learn the unit composition of fatslob. 2 hours long he bangs his head against the same wall in the same way. If you cant counter his unit composition. If you cant come up with ountmaneuvering his army. If you cant just outproduce him with trash. Or outmicro him. Then maybe you deserved the 2 hours scorpion in your light cavalry face.
Davd Kiesewalter except i thought he *_DID_* go for the outmaneuvering option, when he cut through on the east side and went for blue's eco... PS And now i'd really like to see you two (yeah, jeremy, you too) get into that situation against fatslob's comp, so i can marvel at what you'd do then. :-p
I think the moment you see 40 walls, you remember the wall of China from the campaign and look for ways to go around. Campaigns is how most of us learned to play the game.
hello community I am listroyo I was surprised to see that they had recorded me in a game sorry if you do not understand my English is translated in google I write this to answer many people who asked why I killed the army and it is because I 1vs1 that I play are fast not to be 1h in fact game that day I remember it perfectly was in a hurry they were waiting for me and I thought it would be faster 1v1 without getting cornered just waiting for me to attack to burn resources I was all boring game except the principle that I did not know he would do that pesima strategy to stay all the time with scorpions to defend for me that is not age of empires I am an apprentice but these games seem pathetic and I ended up being bored for that and everything was unimportant unfortunately I was in a hurry and I could only play a game if I came to know that the dirty game would have been another game if you want to play a serious game from the comments you I offer a 1vs1 to the best of 5 in arabia. Is there me you show what you are capable of? Do you accept the challenge?
hes using beginner strategies but the way he uses them is not beginner. he knows his civ and he uses the map to his advantage. put this guy in a normal game/map he wouldnt do so well but this is his playing field hahahh
hello community I am listroyo I was surprised to see that they had recorded me in a game sorry if you do not understand my English is translated in google I write this to answer many people who asked why I killed the army and it is because I 1vs1 that I play are fast not to be 1h in fact game that day I remember it perfectly was in a hurry they were waiting for me and I thought it would be faster 1v1 without getting cornered just waiting for me to attack to burn resources I was all boring game except the principle that I did not know he would do that pesima strategy to stay all the time with scorpions to defend for me that is not age of empires I am an apprentice but these games seem pathetic and I ended up being bored for that and everything was unimportant unfortunately I was in a hurry and I could only play a game if I came to know that the dirty game would have been another game if you want to play a serious game from the comments you I offer a 1vs1 to the best of 5 in arabia. Is there me you show what you are capable of? Do you accept the challenge?
Why doesn't he play another civ with a similar arsenal? Simple: Fatslob wants that sweet sweet home civ advantage. Why Should he play something else when he's Swedish? 😁
@@aumpatel6571 Think he was reffering to another civ with no siege onager, that way there are different unique units and different civ weaknesses, like for example bad archers instead of bad cavalry with viking, but they would still only be able to cut through with trebs.
hello community I am listroyo I was surprised to see that they had recorded me in a game sorry if you do not understand my English is translated in google I write this to answer many people who asked why I killed the army and it is because I 1vs1 that I play are fast not to be 1h in fact game that day I remember it perfectly was in a hurry they were waiting for me and I thought it would be faster 1v1 without getting cornered just waiting for me to attack to burn resources I was all boring game except the principle that I did not know he would do that pesima strategy to stay all the time with scorpions to defend for me that is not age of empires I am an apprentice but these games seem pathetic and I ended up being bored for that and everything was unimportant unfortunately I was in a hurry and I could only play a game if I came to know that the dirty game would have been another game if you want to play a serious game from the comments you I offer a 1vs1 to the best of 5 in arabia. Is there me you show what you are capable of? Do you accept the challenge?
Litroyo is right, he is really boring. Instead of trying things out, instead of playing smart or intelligently, he just wasted units over and over again. He deserved to lose. Not only that, but Fatslob did a really good job! There were some really nice fights in there, and while you can tell he doesn't have quick reactions he made the scorpions a key part of his composition to help compensate for that, which is a very intelligent thing to do. To the people getting all self righteous about Fatslob's playstyle, the guy is playing to have a good time. He doesn't harass anyone, he doesn't hurt anyone, he doesn't exploit anyone. The settings are clear, and if you find yourself not having fun, just drop out of the game. He's not gonna stick around if he gets rushed because he knows his reaction speed isn't the best, so why waste the time and maybe get frustrated. He seems like a nice, chill dude who just wants to have his fun, slow, long AOE2 games.
And his comp is more solid than some might expect it to be. he could switch out one or two things if he wanted. But overall it's pretty rounded for dealing with a number of different kinds of threats wit hthe mix of scorpions, berserkers and trebuchet's. He even switched it up over time to compensate it a bit.
This is so satisfying to watch. I love watching any game where one person loses by throwing a tantrum, and the winner takes it all in stride. Fatslob rules.
Indrek Klanberg This game is all about resource management. If you can’t do that, you shouldn’t be calling another player a noob. It’s bad form to tell the guy that’s beating your ass that he’s not doing it right.
Lee, you just keep on changing your angle of complain each time the base of your argument is refuted, accept that spanish dude, didn't have many options left when he ran out of gold. pulling the resource management card.... that does not work when you get blindsided by a strategy you don't expect ever.
It's so incredibly frustrating to see red ignoring the scorps, going for the trebs and then just throwing 50+ pop worth of light cav out the window over and over and over again.
hello community I am listroyo I was surprised to see that they had recorded me in a game sorry if you do not understand my English is translated in google I write this to answer many people who asked why I killed the army and it is because I 1vs1 that I play are fast not to be 1h in fact game that day I remember it perfectly was in a hurry they were waiting for me and I thought it would be faster 1v1 without getting cornered just waiting for me to attack to burn resources I was all boring game except the principle that I did not know he would do that pesima strategy to stay all the time with scorpions to defend for me that is not age of empires I am an apprentice but these games seem pathetic and I ended up being bored for that and everything was unimportant unfortunately I was in a hurry and I could only play a game if I came to know that the dirty game would have been another game if you want to play a serious game from the comments you I offer a 1vs1 to the best of 5 in arabia. Is there me you show what you are capable of? Do you accept the challenge?
I want Fatslob to learn how to combat unusual or cheese strategies, early aggression etc so that he can force every single one of his games into mastapieces like this xD raise his win rate to 80%
In a way he has. He has developed a niche, where the only way to get through and rush is if you know that wall is coming when you go in, and bypass it immediately. Unless you know the counter going in, chances are, in your first game vs fatslob, he will frustrate you into the long game. The man is his own campaign mission.
@@apatheticAnxiety Can't rush though, once a wall is up layers can be built faster than anything can get through You have to win on efficiency, fatslob won the game by letting red grind units into his siege wall
TheJD It's actually shown at the start of video #3 : /watch?v=fxcyQpt1X7Q&t=106 ... Also T90 won by booming more and breaking out early: /watch?v=plR16alidCU :-B
Well at this point he would have to play a tremendous amount of games to actually change his ratings :P At this point some tens of wins or looses dont change it much. With 4000 games
Half a league, half a league, Half a league onward, All in the valley of Death Rode the six hundred. “Forward, the Light Brigade! Charge for the Trebs!” he said. Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred.
"Fatslob has a little bite to him." lmao. This is great. You absolutely can't give him shit for his strategy, if you lose to it. You're the noob not him. No matter how frustrating it gets!
Imagine a fatslob that can boom as fast as red, relatively speaking- one who doesn't just have the broader strategy mastered, but practiced micro to back it up. Absolutely terrifying.
This is a fantastic study in game strategy. Love it! I do understand why people get pissed off. You can't get back from playing against a "noob" once you start losing, and it's easy to get tilted instead of dealing with the issues logically. Thanks for making these!
Fatslob has simply found the way to have fun for himself. No judgement there. It certainly is unusual: same game type and strategy for years, but it works for him, and he’s perfected it so he has a decent chance to win. T90 should highlight Fatslob, because he mastered a strategy that wins, when nobody thinks he should. I bet if the developers knew of Fatslob, he would become a favorite for mastering systems designed to let noobs win. It would prove that they programmed the game well to give all skill levels a chance to win.
I listened to a reading of "The Book of the Five Rings." After listening a few times. I got better at PvP battles. There was a direct and immediate improvement in my video game skills. Not even exactly sure why.
Damn the "You suck - And I just beat you so... ?" I used this sooo much in Dota 2. People getting angry at me because they fail and then looking at my profile and saying "uh you're just a 2k mmr noob" yeah, and I just completely owned you so does it mean you're even worse than a 2k mmr player ? I don't get why people insult themselves like that, if someone plays better than you, the last thing you want to say is that he sucks...
True-school Turtle, right here. "This no is age" ... kid, run along and steal some optimized build order online. _This is how it was played back in the day when RTS was actually a thing._ ... Respect your elders.
I actually like the way he plays! It changes the meta a bit that seems to be a set regime of getting to castle ASAP and then cutting the enemy off before they even get a foot hold on the map! I get that’s clever etc but I love the battles and strategy that plays out with late game battles when both people have had a chance to boom and fully plan out their strategy and then they clash in a big battle where it can swing one way and then back and all sorts! Spending 20-30 minutes watching a game where both teams start off with the exact same sheep scout etc etc etc and then just as they almost get to the castle age or something, a handful of military rush in and kill a handful of villagers then people resign and start again! Basically it feels like the fastest person wins now not necessarily the best or most strategic
Correct. Most of the time these pros are just good at the 'game', where they are able to build fast and rush in, attack the enemy before they even have a chance to build an army. But their actual 'fighting' ability is actually probably average to equal to everyone else. Because when i play normal games im usually not that good, the opponents rush in or they attack me wehn im nowhere near ready. But when I play 'no rush/treaty' games then im very good. I have had time to build up and now its just a matter of whos more aggressive and better at fighting. Playing 'No rush/treaty' games i have won against pros or at least given them a run for their money.
Lovee me some Fatslob, i'm one of those losers that is okay with just about anything as long as it's not cheating, i saw no cheating, just very unique gameplay. I love me some unique gameplay.
This defensive slower play style is more akin to chess while most folks are probably expecting the more meta hyper-aggression. This is probably why they get salty as they were wanting something faster paced.
The analogy reminds me of a chess player named Tigran Petrosian. Dude was a positional master on defense and attacked "when the time was right". Dude was a world champion by just being who he was.
Watching this game made me think about this phenomenon (that I have seen in many other games as well) where you get good at a certain game by playing by the meta, but then you encounter somebody like fatslob that manages to beat you by the most noobish way possible and leaves you wondering whether you are really good at this game....
It's more along the lines of you can pick settings that prevent the game from being played in any relevant manner and then play not to win, but to make your opponent quit from being bored. It's just a mistake on the developer's part, but it's an old game at this point
I absolutely love this kind of crap in my RTSes. I'm pure crap, but I love treating RTSes like a city-builder. Turtle, stockpile expensive units, use choke point as killzone-- Then win. Mediocre strategy, crap micro, crap macro (what's a waypoint?), but FLAWLESS math. Better units * max pop = win. I couldn't do it 4000 times though, geez.
Fatslob, the true Swede, knows how to beat the enemy. On his own turf, with literal truckloads of imported salt. The only defence against Saltwalling is more Saltwalling, and fear those who think they can Saltwall better than Fatslob. Truly a legend. :'D
@kroooassant 1. It doesn't work, because a kid that's beaten into a pulp can't really follow any commands 2. Assuming you mean beating a child untill it obeys - if you're leaving every other factor aside, than it's not a stupid idea. Because it works.
If its stupid, but it worked once. You got lucky If its stupid but worked *multiple times.* Not so stupid anymore :P Fatslob is literally playing the oppsite of rushed TC-drop strats (Persian Douche, e.g.). Players cant cope with them really well (me included) Fatslob is just playing the polar opposite.
43:45 "I wish I could have looked at the KD prior to that to see just how many kills red got. I think maybe he got 5 at most". Actually at that point it was 0K/55D lol
This man has mastered what I wanted to play back in the days... I always found that playing defensive was more fun and, as I was not good building turret, and walling and anything that could give me time and waste ennemy ressources was fun. But That man, he his a Master, a Legend in what I consider my playstyle. Thanks for making me discover that genius of AOE (Plus I do agree, if he is a noob and you loose against him, worst even, you surrend against him what does that make you....)
Oh, man. Just got home back from work and I see this upload. Guess what? I'm on my way to the store for chips and beer and I am 100% sure exactly how will I spend my next hour.
hello community I am listroyo I was surprised to see that they had recorded me in a game sorry if you do not understand my English is translated in google I write this to answer many people who asked why I killed the army and it is because I 1vs1 that I play are fast not to be 1h in fact game that day I remember it perfectly was in a hurry they were waiting for me and I thought it would be faster 1v1 without getting cornered just waiting for me to attack to burn resources I was all boring game except the principle that I did not know he would do that pesima strategy to stay all the time with scorpions to defend for me that is not age of empires I am an apprentice but these games seem pathetic and I ended up being bored for that and everything was unimportant unfortunately I was in a hurry and I could only play a game if I came to know that the dirty game would have been another game if you want to play a serious game from the comments you I offer a 1vs1 to the best of 5 in arabia. Is there me you show what you are capable of? Do you accept the challenge?
Beautiful stuff. As far as him winning a bit over half his games or whatever it was.. I want to see his ratio when ONLY the first matches with are counted. Because once they go in for a rematch more prepared, that's different. Also only the ratio before he got more noticed of course. That would be cool to see. I bet it would be like.. over 90% of first games or some shit lol.
Just found your channel about 2 days ago and have watched about 10 of your videos. I love your commentary on your videos especially these fatslob vids.
I honestly love long age games. I don't know why people want to be done with the game so quickly. I get that you want to play more games so you want it to be shorter, but I'd rather just really get into a single game than have a bunch of quick-and-done games.
I do tend to play only with my friends, and I think that's different. With friends even a long bf game can be fun simply because you're doing it with your friends and that makes it interesting. With a random person online, I probably agree.
@@All-shall-say-Jesus-is-Lord with friends everything can be fun ;) but yeah id love to play bf with my friends, but its always against AI unfortunately.
I think once he is walled up all you can go is try to wait it up and Fatslob the Fatslob, wait till the trees are all cut and Fatslob's strategic advantage gets chopped down. Then kill him. Waste 5 hours or more. But I think if you do that he resigns, same as when you start a vill fight in the beginning
It's boring though. While I enjoy the salt from red, I wouldn't want to play against fatslob myself. Playing against him must be like slowly dripping lemon acid into your eyes, drop after drop.
@@Supernoxus The objective is to win. Doesnt matter how 'boring' you think it is. Its your job to beat him. Not to force him to play an 'exciting' game where its to your liking and where you might win.
@@ninjaturtlemaster24 I disagree. While the objective inside the game is to win, the objective of a game is to provide fun. If the game is not fun to play, then winning or losing becomes meaningless.
@@Supernoxus Whats fun or not is down to the individual. .How the heck can one know whats going to be 'fun' for you or not?? When you yourself play i seriously doubt you consider how much 'fun' its going to be for the opponent. Your main objective is to win. If the opponent told you to change your tactics dont even try tell me you would. As long as you win with it you couldnt care less about whether he thinks its 'fun' or not. Im sorry but what you just said was absolutely ridiculous. It just reeks of sore loserness. He won, they lost. Please accept it and learn from him.
So around 43:35 you mention that you would've wanted to check the K/D before the fight to see how many kills Listroyo got. He...eh..he got none. Zilch. He lost 60, and he killed 0. Pretty amazing. Unsure why he made the cavs run at the same speed as the arbalest and the sheep though.
if red had even the tiniest bit of onager attack ground micro, those berserkers would be toast. Every time, the berserkers would just walk right at the onagers, and they'd fire their boulders right behind the berserker line and then die. If he just attacked ground in front of the berserkers, he'd wipe them out every time.
Man, just discovered this legend, he would of loved cossacks back in the early 2000s, was very normal with 30-45 min peace time for booming, then og balls to the walls like this. Rememeber pop cap was 2000, so even 45 min full boom, no fighting, dident cap ur tech/army.
in age of empires 3 we have a pro player called kynesie. they had to reduce wall hp because he would waterboom behind insane amounts of wall layers just because no one could break em faster than he built em. this stuff can work lol.
What do i think about fatslob? What is there to say about a player that even viper admitted to being a legend after losing an more than an hour long game to him based on a technicality. viper dced and thus the program listed fatslob as the victor, who declined vipers offer of continuing the game, but offered, like the gentleman he is, a fair chance of revenge in a second game to viper. At which point viper lost it and officially bowed to legend of fatslob.
people that complain about this strat, dont enjoy the true essence of RTS, this is nothing new. SC BW TVTs are always like this. every match is trench warfare and a chess match. either multitask fast enough to open up the map or have better unit composition and efficiency.
Was also thinking about light cav to take down siege and raid eco but seeing how all of it melted to berserkers and scorps, red should just sell food/wood and stay with arbs in front and onagers behind.
We need a "fatslobbed" expert throughout multiple fixed setting scenarios! AGE has the scope for many specific experts! It should be a rite of passage for points , end level bosses!
"This is not how you play AOE" - umm its a strategy game honestly seeing a player not adopt new strategies after failing his cavalry assault time and time again deserves too get wrecked. Good work Fatslob :P
Red is so frustrating. How many times can someone charge with cavalry before accepting it doesn't work. Arb and onager man that's all you need. Light cav optional but I'd have them run left and right as a distraction, not actually throw them at the meat grinder that was those scorps. Couple trebs on standby. Or hell siege rams. Anything else really
Man I haven't played AOE in ages, suddnly saw this one popped up in my feed and the only thing I can think of now is to play! didn't know pople still played this online! Awesome videos and commentary dude!
Tbh, I like fatslob. He's playing the game the way we all enjoyed it as a kid, he just actual strategy behind it. Plus he's honest and seems like a nice guy.
I could not agree more.
He’s not a troll. Just a dude trying to have fun. That loves the game in the way we all fell in love with it.
Hahaha i played the same. Even with friends games took hourss hahaha
it took me a few days to finish team games vs AI lol
I still play like that, and I'm 31 now 😂😂
No, he is a boring mofo
Fear not the man who practices 1000 punches once, fear the man who practices 1 punch 1000 times
Yeah cause that guy is totally insane.
🤔
I don't fear a dude who has only practiced a punch 1,000 times. That's like, a couple of boxing work outs.
BidwellRunner Literally?
nicermog Ya. Orlando Salido and Francisco Vargas in their fight, for instance, both threw over 1,000 punches. You'll easily throw a few hundred over the course of an hour of bag/mitt work.
"What's the worst that could happen?"
3 hours later you have anxiety, crippling depression and every time you see something resembling a large wall you get a PTSD attack.
Professionals call it "The Fatslob Effect".
plus, if you happen to spot scorpions in a zoo or documentary, you will face terrible cry attacks.
😂😂😂
fatslob is like an a chef with average cooking skills especially with chopping things fast but he's got a really distinctive and clear picture of the flavour he's going for. restaurants like that generally are very successful.
hello community I am listroyo I was surprised to see that they had recorded me in a game sorry if you do not understand my English is translated in google I write this to answer many people who asked why I killed the army and it is because I 1vs1 that I play are fast not to be 1h in fact game that day I remember it perfectly was in a hurry they were waiting for me and I thought it would be faster 1v1 without getting cornered just waiting for me to attack to burn resources I was all boring game except the principle that I did not know he would do that pesima strategy to stay all the time with scorpions to defend for me that is not age of empires I am an apprentice but these games seem pathetic and I ended up being bored for that and everything was unimportant unfortunately I was in a hurry and I could only play a game if I came to know that the dirty game would have been another game if you want to play a serious game from the comments you I offer a 1vs1 to the best of 5 in arabia. Is there me you show what you are capable of? Do you accept the challenge?
the swedish chef
well it's a restaurant with only one dish...
@@AGPMandavel sorry never been there, european here... But point taken
Ok, red had 2 hours to learn the unit composition of fatslob.
2 hours long he bangs his head against the same wall in the same way.
If you cant counter his unit composition. If you cant come up with ountmaneuvering his army. If you cant just outproduce him with trash. Or outmicro him.
Then maybe you deserved the 2 hours scorpion in your light cavalry face.
omfg enough with the light cav... they never worked... ahhh this guys play style is the definition of insanity
Davd Kiesewalter except i thought he *_DID_* go for the outmaneuvering option, when he cut through on the east side and went for blue's eco...
PS And now i'd really like to see you two (yeah, jeremy, you too) get into that situation against fatslob's comp, so i can marvel at what you'd do then. :-p
I think the moment you see 40 walls, you remember the wall of China from the campaign and look for ways to go around. Campaigns is how most of us learned to play the game.
Note most of the people in the Voobly comments or the RUclips comments calling him a noob all lost in their first game against him. Makes you think.
hello community I am listroyo I was surprised to see that they had recorded me in a game sorry if you do not understand my English is translated in google I write this to answer many people who asked why I killed the army and it is because I 1vs1 that I play are fast not to be 1h in fact game that day I remember it perfectly was in a hurry they were waiting for me and I thought it would be faster 1v1 without getting cornered just waiting for me to attack to burn resources I was all boring game except the principle that I did not know he would do that pesima strategy to stay all the time with scorpions to defend for me that is not age of empires I am an apprentice but these games seem pathetic and I ended up being bored for that and everything was unimportant unfortunately I was in a hurry and I could only play a game if I came to know that the dirty game would have been another game if you want to play a serious game from the comments you I offer a 1vs1 to the best of 5 in arabia. Is there me you show what you are capable of? Do you accept the challenge?
hes using beginner strategies but the way he uses them is not beginner. he knows his civ and he uses the map to his advantage. put this guy in a normal game/map he wouldnt do so well but this is his playing field hahahh
Using his average game length and his number of games on these settings he has played 4100+ hours of this.... hardly a noob more like an absolute unit
On most games you're a "noob" if you win, and sometimes a "cheater" what ells can they say?
Fatslob vs Fatslob would be no game at all. Makes you think as well.
I just love how T90 can narrate a game so well, even in the loneliness of a saved game. Just as good as community game casting :)
hello community I am listroyo I was surprised to see that they had recorded me in a game sorry if you do not understand my English is translated in google I write this to answer many people who asked why I killed the army and it is because I 1vs1 that I play are fast not to be 1h in fact game that day I remember it perfectly was in a hurry they were waiting for me and I thought it would be faster 1v1 without getting cornered just waiting for me to attack to burn resources I was all boring game except the principle that I did not know he would do that pesima strategy to stay all the time with scorpions to defend for me that is not age of empires I am an apprentice but these games seem pathetic and I ended up being bored for that and everything was unimportant unfortunately I was in a hurry and I could only play a game if I came to know that the dirty game would have been another game if you want to play a serious game from the comments you I offer a 1vs1 to the best of 5 in arabia. Is there me you show what you are capable of? Do you accept the challenge?
This nigga needs to stop talking
T90: "The light cav seriously doesn't work here"
Listroyo: "Haha horse printer go brrrrr"
@James Sunderland I'm sure after 2 years, this constructive criticism was just what they wanted, good job
This aint a "one trick pony" anymore
He's a fully fleged "one trick stable"
Why doesn't he play another civ with a similar arsenal?
Simple: Fatslob wants that sweet sweet home civ advantage. Why Should he play something else when he's Swedish? 😁
viking don't have siege onager, therefore he opts to play vikings
He should play Baltic
Ramón Correa that's fair... harder to pull off that lazy strat though 😂
@@aumpatel6571 Think he was reffering to another civ with no siege onager, that way there are different unique units and different civ weaknesses, like for example bad archers instead of bad cavalry with viking, but they would still only be able to cut through with trebs.
hello community I am listroyo I was surprised to see that they had recorded me in a game sorry if you do not understand my English is translated in google I write this to answer many people who asked why I killed the army and it is because I 1vs1 that I play are fast not to be 1h in fact game that day I remember it perfectly was in a hurry they were waiting for me and I thought it would be faster 1v1 without getting cornered just waiting for me to attack to burn resources I was all boring game except the principle that I did not know he would do that pesima strategy to stay all the time with scorpions to defend for me that is not age of empires I am an apprentice but these games seem pathetic and I ended up being bored for that and everything was unimportant unfortunately I was in a hurry and I could only play a game if I came to know that the dirty game would have been another game if you want to play a serious game from the comments you I offer a 1vs1 to the best of 5 in arabia. Is there me you show what you are capable of? Do you accept the challenge?
Litroyo is right, he is really boring.
Instead of trying things out, instead of playing smart or intelligently, he just wasted units over and over again. He deserved to lose.
Not only that, but Fatslob did a really good job! There were some really nice fights in there, and while you can tell he doesn't have quick reactions he made the scorpions a key part of his composition to help compensate for that, which is a very intelligent thing to do.
To the people getting all self righteous about Fatslob's playstyle, the guy is playing to have a good time. He doesn't harass anyone, he doesn't hurt anyone, he doesn't exploit anyone. The settings are clear, and if you find yourself not having fun, just drop out of the game. He's not gonna stick around if he gets rushed because he knows his reaction speed isn't the best, so why waste the time and maybe get frustrated. He seems like a nice, chill dude who just wants to have his fun, slow, long AOE2 games.
And his comp is more solid than some might expect it to be. he could switch out one or two things if he wanted. But overall it's pretty rounded for dealing with a number of different kinds of threats wit hthe mix of scorpions, berserkers and trebuchet's. He even switched it up over time to compensate it a bit.
Agreed!!!
Fatslob actually has decent troop micro and he lands some amazing onager shots. It just takes forever for him to get to his final form
Fatslob is like one of those difficult scenario challenges, you might have to try a couple of times to pass.
"His land is covered in fatslob" - T90Official
hahahaha well, we gotta ask Ms. T90
I immediately lost it when he said it. :D
This is so satisfying to watch. I love watching any game where one person loses by throwing a tantrum, and the winner takes it all in stride. Fatslob rules.
OK, you call fatslob a noob, but you keep sending wave after wave of light cavalry in to die and not try any other composition? That's just insane.
he was out of gold for any other composition at that point, and all the other units that don't need gold are even worse (skirmish and spearman)
Indrek Klanberg Sell wood???
He did, and there were a few catapults for that.
Indrek Klanberg This game is all about resource management. If you can’t do that, you shouldn’t be calling another player a noob. It’s bad form to tell the guy that’s beating your ass that he’s not doing it right.
Lee, you just keep on changing your angle of complain each time the base of your argument is refuted, accept that spanish dude, didn't have many options left when he ran out of gold. pulling the resource management card.... that does not work when you get blindsided by a strategy you don't expect ever.
"I dont want to look at the walls too much i'll start getting cancer". I have never laughed so hard
Him being from Sweden makes the Viking pick even more hilarious.
It's so incredibly frustrating to see red ignoring the scorps, going for the trebs and then just throwing 50+ pop worth of light cav out the window over and over and over again.
Maybe THIS time, maybe THIS time, maybe THIS time, maybe....
That's the power of fatslob, he literally drove the opponent mad
hello community I am listroyo I was surprised to see that they had recorded me in a game sorry if you do not understand my English is translated in google I write this to answer many people who asked why I killed the army and it is because I 1vs1 that I play are fast not to be 1h in fact game that day I remember it perfectly was in a hurry they were waiting for me and I thought it would be faster 1v1 without getting cornered just waiting for me to attack to burn resources I was all boring game except the principle that I did not know he would do that pesima strategy to stay all the time with scorpions to defend for me that is not age of empires I am an apprentice but these games seem pathetic and I ended up being bored for that and everything was unimportant unfortunately I was in a hurry and I could only play a game if I came to know that the dirty game would have been another game if you want to play a serious game from the comments you I offer a 1vs1 to the best of 5 in arabia. Is there me you show what you are capable of? Do you accept the challenge?
Your I.Q. can drop 40 - 60 points when you're angry or frustrated.
I crack up every single time I see a new layer of walls up. It somehow never gets old.
Quintupling, Sextupling, Septupling, Octupling.
You're mighty welcome sir.
The ACTUAL word he is looking for is Tredecuple-walled.
Quindecuple if you count the palisades.
@@Azeazezar the ACTUAL word is fatslobed.
More walls than sides on a dodecahedron.
I like sextupling
You remember 9 or 11?
I want Fatslob to learn how to combat unusual or cheese strategies, early aggression etc so that he can force every single one of his games into mastapieces like this xD raise his win rate to 80%
In a way he has. He has developed a niche, where the only way to get through and rush is if you know that wall is coming when you go in, and bypass it immediately.
Unless you know the counter going in, chances are, in your first game vs fatslob, he will frustrate you into the long game.
The man is his own campaign mission.
@@apatheticAnxiety Can't rush though, once a wall is up layers can be built faster than anything can get through
You have to win on efficiency, fatslob won the game by letting red grind units into his siege wall
TheJD It's actually shown at the start of video #3 : /watch?v=fxcyQpt1X7Q&t=106 ... Also T90 won by booming more and breaking out early: /watch?v=plR16alidCU :-B
Well at this point he would have to play a tremendous amount of games to actually change his ratings :P At this point some tens of wins or looses dont change it much.
With 4000 games
Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
“Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the Trebs!” he said.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
that berserk in 27:25 really mustve felt like that british admiral in pirates of the carribean walking down the stairs on his ship
Jonathan Dietz
It's just... business
wasnt it 3? kek
Deepak Rao thanks for correcting me guys glad you still got what i meant though
Jonathan Dietz REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
"Fatslob has a little bite to him." lmao. This is great. You absolutely can't give him shit for his strategy, if you lose to it. You're the noob not him. No matter how frustrating it gets!
Imagine a fatslob that can boom as fast as red, relatively speaking- one who doesn't just have the broader strategy mastered, but practiced micro to back it up. Absolutely terrifying.
That’s pretty much me.
This is a fantastic study in game strategy. Love it! I do understand why people get pissed off. You can't get back from playing against a "noob" once you start losing, and it's easy to get tilted instead of dealing with the issues logically. Thanks for making these!
Fatslob has simply found the way to have fun for himself. No judgement there. It certainly is unusual: same game type and strategy for years, but it works for him, and he’s perfected it so he has a decent chance to win.
T90 should highlight Fatslob, because he mastered a strategy that wins, when nobody thinks he should. I bet if the developers knew of Fatslob, he would become a favorite for mastering systems designed to let noobs win. It would prove that they programmed the game well to give all skill levels a chance to win.
This also aplies to the video of noobnothing
he's the Miyamoto Musashi of Age of Empires 2. Wins the duel by pissing them all off
I listened to a reading of "The Book of the Five Rings." After listening a few times. I got better at PvP battles. There was a direct and immediate improvement in my video game skills. Not even exactly sure why.
I haven't played AoE in years but im loving these legends videos
"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 maps once, but I fear the man who has practiced one map 10,000 times." -Bruce Lee
i can confirm, he did say this.
Damn the "You suck - And I just beat you so... ?" I used this sooo much in Dota 2. People getting angry at me because they fail and then looking at my profile and saying "uh you're just a 2k mmr noob" yeah, and I just completely owned you so does it mean you're even worse than a 2k mmr player ? I don't get why people insult themselves like that, if someone plays better than you, the last thing you want to say is that he sucks...
True-school Turtle, right here. "This no is age" ... kid, run along and steal some optimized build order online. _This is how it was played back in the day when RTS was actually a thing._ ... Respect your elders.
You're right, this is more in the spirit of an old RTS than the tactics that most online players use
I actually like the way he plays! It changes the meta a bit that seems to be a set regime of getting to castle ASAP and then cutting the enemy off before they even get a foot hold on the map! I get that’s clever etc but I love the battles and strategy that plays out with late game battles when both people have had a chance to boom and fully plan out their strategy and then they clash in a big battle where it can swing one way and then back and all sorts!
Spending 20-30 minutes watching a game where both teams start off with the exact same sheep scout etc etc etc and then just as they almost get to the castle age or something, a handful of military rush in and kill a handful of villagers then people resign and start again!
Basically it feels like the fastest person wins now not necessarily the best or most strategic
Correct. Most of the time these pros are just good at the 'game', where they are able to build fast and rush in, attack the enemy before they even have a chance to build an army.
But their actual 'fighting' ability is actually probably average to equal to everyone else.
Because when i play normal games im usually not that good, the opponents rush in or they attack me wehn im nowhere near ready. But when I play 'no rush/treaty' games then im very good. I have had time to build up and now its just a matter of whos more aggressive and better at fighting.
Playing 'No rush/treaty' games i have won against pros or at least given them a run for their money.
@44:00 you said you wished you knew how many kilss red got. He got none, for 60 light cav
Lovee me some Fatslob, i'm one of those losers that is okay with just about anything as long as it's not cheating, i saw no cheating, just very unique gameplay. I love me some unique gameplay.
Red uses the Zap Brannigan method of warfare: throwing wave after wave of his own men at fatslob.
This defensive slower play style is more akin to chess while most folks are probably expecting the more meta hyper-aggression. This is probably why they get salty as they were wanting something faster paced.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta
The analogy reminds me of a chess player named Tigran Petrosian. Dude was a positional master on defense and attacked "when the time was right". Dude was a world champion by just being who he was.
Watching this game made me think about this phenomenon (that I have seen in many other games as well) where you get good at a certain game by playing by the meta, but then you encounter somebody like fatslob that manages to beat you by the most noobish way possible and leaves you wondering whether you are really good at this game....
It's more along the lines of you can pick settings that prevent the game from being played in any relevant manner and then play not to win, but to make your opponent quit from being bored.
It's just a mistake on the developer's part, but it's an old game at this point
I absolutely love this kind of crap in my RTSes. I'm pure crap, but I love treating RTSes like a city-builder. Turtle, stockpile expensive units, use choke point as killzone--
Then win. Mediocre strategy, crap micro, crap macro (what's a waypoint?), but FLAWLESS math. Better units * max pop = win.
I couldn't do it 4000 times though, geez.
@@carom1 the opponent didn't just "quit from being bored" but they consistently lost (more in) the fights... :p
That dude is the Jigsaw of AoE. You're always in 'his world', playing by his rules. Untouchable in his own dimension.
Fatslob, the true Swede, knows how to beat the enemy.
On his own turf, with literal truckloads of imported salt.
The only defence against Saltwalling is more Saltwalling, and fear those who think they can Saltwall better than Fatslob.
Truly a legend. :'D
It's not stupid if it works.
@kroooassant
1. It doesn't work, because a kid that's beaten into a pulp can't really follow any commands
2. Assuming you mean beating a child untill it obeys - if you're leaving every other factor aside, than it's not a stupid idea. Because it works.
If its stupid, but it worked once. You got lucky
If its stupid but worked *multiple times.* Not so stupid anymore :P
Fatslob is literally playing the oppsite of rushed TC-drop strats (Persian Douche, e.g.). Players cant cope with them really well (me included)
Fatslob is just playing the polar opposite.
The Tales of Fatslob. He is the Dragon Boss in the tower waiting for a foe of his level. Love this dude.
4000 games of this. that's ultimate dedication or insanity i don't know
43:45 "I wish I could have looked at the KD prior to that to see just how many kills red got. I think maybe he got 5 at most". Actually at that point it was 0K/55D lol
He has a strategy he likes, it works, all power to him. I didn't read in the AOE manual where it said you cannot wall the opponent out of existence.
28:22 "look at the red dead units" all those units need is some redemption :)
This man has mastered what I wanted to play back in the days... I always found that playing defensive was more fun and, as I was not good building turret, and walling and anything that could give me time and waste ennemy ressources was fun. But That man, he his a Master, a Legend in what I consider my playstyle. Thanks for making me discover that genius of AOE
(Plus I do agree, if he is a noob and you loose against him, worst even, you surrend against him what does that make you....)
This is like watching the master of a kung fu dojo entertain the young upstart that demands a duel.
This is a real AoE strategy... I love it.
Oh, man. Just got home back from work and I see this upload. Guess what? I'm on my way to the store for chips and beer and I am 100% sure exactly how will I spend my next hour.
hello community I am listroyo I was surprised to see that they had recorded me in a game sorry if you do not understand my English is translated in google I write this to answer many people who asked why I killed the army and it is because I 1vs1 that I play are fast not to be 1h in fact game that day I remember it perfectly was in a hurry they were waiting for me and I thought it would be faster 1v1 without getting cornered just waiting for me to attack to burn resources I was all boring game except the principle that I did not know he would do that pesima strategy to stay all the time with scorpions to defend for me that is not age of empires I am an apprentice but these games seem pathetic and I ended up being bored for that and everything was unimportant unfortunately I was in a hurry and I could only play a game if I came to know that the dirty game would have been another game if you want to play a serious game from the comments you I offer a 1vs1 to the best of 5 in arabia. Is there me you show what you are capable of? Do you accept the challenge?
Not sure they saw your comment. Try posting a public comment instead of a reply.
You did good, it was a fun game to watch
@@Gabriel-ct2ix SO FUCKING SALTY!!! 11
Remember he's played this thousands of times. Don't feel bad, we're all just playing this game to have fun.
so u too are a fatslob!
"Well, I don't want to look at the walls to much, I'll start getting cancer" That got me real hard. Only in a fatslob game xD
T90 the k/d before and after that fight was 544/324 an 604/324. Fatslob didn't lose a single unit!!
Amazing casting! Loved episode 1... and wow, impressed by episode 2! Keep it up. Love your commentary
If a strategy helps you win or makes your opponent adapt it is a great idea. Everyone should play most games this way. Gotta have fun.
I love fatslob. He is my strategy spirit animal 😂 I like having time to eco and build up a huge army and play defensive.
Beautiful stuff. As far as him winning a bit over half his games or whatever it was.. I want to see his ratio when ONLY the first matches with are counted. Because once they go in for a rematch more prepared, that's different. Also only the ratio before he got more noticed of course. That would be cool to see. I bet it would be like.. over 90% of first games or some shit lol.
i love fatslob! this series has been great. thanks!
fatslob is the peoples hero. we all have our favourite civs and tactics. this guy is just living the dream
11:40 "I dont want to look at the walls too much, i'll get cancer" LMFAO
Fatslob picking up the chinese is a reference to the civ that actually build the largest wall irl
Truly a shining star among the glorious heroes of AOE 2.
11:41 "I don't wanna look at the walls to much I'll start getting cancer" had me me chuckling
46:40 what on earth is Red doing? he's just sending a trickle if cavalry into a meat grinder. Why did he think that would work?
I really like Fatslob, it is always funny to watch different players try to win against him :D
Just found your channel about 2 days ago and have watched about 10 of your videos. I love your commentary on your videos especially these fatslob vids.
Lol “he’s gonna go back to his hole here.”
That was basically an AoE version of the battle of Verdun
I love it. I would only play once or twice against him but he has his strategy and it is kinda funny
Anyone who enforces something resembling real gameplay like this is a legend.
I honestly love long age games. I don't know why people want to be done with the game so quickly. I get that you want to play more games so you want it to be shorter, but I'd rather just really get into a single game than have a bunch of quick-and-done games.
it depends. id rather play 2 interesting and diverse arabia games than 1 long boring bf game like this.
bf games can be interesting but not like this.
I do tend to play only with my friends, and I think that's different. With friends even a long bf game can be fun simply because you're doing it with your friends and that makes it interesting. With a random person online, I probably agree.
@@All-shall-say-Jesus-is-Lord with friends everything can be fun ;)
but yeah id love to play bf with my friends, but its always against AI unfortunately.
this is so entertaining, I get more fun watching Fatslob play than playing myself.
Would have liked to see a game where Fatslob's opponent tried something other than mindlessly attacking.
B 1900 i have watched some of his games , he just resigns early if his opponent tries some other strategies
nice idea for next f nothing a strategic player
I think once he is walled up all you can go is try to wait it up and Fatslob the Fatslob, wait till the trees are all cut and Fatslob's strategic advantage gets chopped down. Then kill him. Waste 5 hours or more. But I think if you do that he resigns, same as when you start a vill fight in the beginning
If it looks stupid but it works, it's ain't stupid 😂
It's boring though. While I enjoy the salt from red, I wouldn't want to play against fatslob myself. Playing against him must be like slowly dripping lemon acid into your eyes, drop after drop.
Supernoxus And that’s not Fatslobs problem.
@@Supernoxus The objective is to win. Doesnt matter how 'boring' you think it is.
Its your job to beat him. Not to force him to play an 'exciting' game where its to your liking and where you might win.
@@ninjaturtlemaster24 I disagree. While the objective inside the game is to win, the objective of a game is to provide fun. If the game is not fun to play, then winning or losing becomes meaningless.
@@Supernoxus Whats fun or not is down to the individual. .How the heck can one know whats going to be 'fun' for you or not??
When you yourself play i seriously doubt you consider how much 'fun' its going to be for the opponent. Your main objective is to win. If the opponent told you to change your tactics dont even try tell me you would. As long as you win with it you couldnt care less about whether he thinks its 'fun' or not.
Im sorry but what you just said was absolutely ridiculous. It just reeks of sore loserness. He won, they lost. Please accept it and learn from him.
So around 43:35 you mention that you would've wanted to check the K/D before the fight to see how many kills Listroyo got. He...eh..he got none. Zilch. He lost 60, and he killed 0. Pretty amazing. Unsure why he made the cavs run at the same speed as the arbalest and the sheep though.
He is amazingly fun to watch, an inverse ratio of how fun it must be to play against.
"I don't wanna look at the walls too long..I'll start getting cancer."
WTF!?! LMAO
43:46 He got zero kills in that light cav + sheep push. Zero.
if red had even the tiniest bit of onager attack ground micro, those berserkers would be toast. Every time, the berserkers would just walk right at the onagers, and they'd fire their boulders right behind the berserker line and then die. If he just attacked ground in front of the berserkers, he'd wipe them out every time.
At what point do you think that Red was going to decide that light cav was the wrong choice?
Man, just discovered this legend, he would of loved cossacks back in the early 2000s, was very normal with 30-45 min peace time for booming, then og balls to the walls like this. Rememeber pop cap was 2000, so even 45 min full boom, no fighting, dident cap ur tech/army.
in age of empires 3 we have a pro player called kynesie. they had to reduce wall hp because he would waterboom behind insane amounts of wall layers just because no one could break em faster than he built em. this stuff can work lol.
What do i think about fatslob? What is there to say about a player that even viper admitted to being a legend after losing an more than an hour long game to him based on a technicality. viper dced and thus the program listed fatslob as the victor, who declined vipers offer of continuing the game, but offered, like the gentleman he is, a fair chance of revenge in a second game to viper. At which point viper lost it and officially bowed to legend of fatslob.
I absolutely love this strat I would hate to play against it but it is so great to watch and play as
people that complain about this strat, dont enjoy the true essence of RTS, this is nothing new. SC BW TVTs are always like this. every match is trench warfare and a chess match. either multitask fast enough to open up the map or have better unit composition and efficiency.
I recently subscribed and was watching through fat slob and the audio quality difference is immense, keep up the hard work though man!
Was also thinking about light cav to take down siege and raid eco but seeing how all of it melted to berserkers and scorps, red should just sell food/wood and stay with arbs in front and onagers behind.
Fatslob is like a dungeon master. Gotta take your time and except that you're fighting in his territory.
In terms of "He's not doubling down, or tripling..." At the peak I think he was... quattuordecupling down? 14 layers of walls. What a legend.
When you're talking about staying up too late and I'm sitting here watching this at 4am and I gotta be at work 1pm.
Love the fat Slob! Great game. And as hermie said, you play to win the game.
build that wall!!! build that wall!!!!
We need a "fatslobbed" expert throughout multiple fixed setting scenarios! AGE has the scope for many specific experts! It should be a rite of passage for points , end level bosses!
"This is not how you play AOE" - umm its a strategy game honestly seeing a player not adopt new strategies after failing his cavalry assault time and time again deserves too get wrecked. Good work Fatslob :P
Honestly, FS plays exactly how AoE was designed to be played. 3 hr marathons. It’s digital RISK.
OMG!!! Fatslob getting in the action!!!!!! A TRUE LEGEND!!
I love me some fatslob! What a work of art this game is.
Red is so frustrating. How many times can someone charge with cavalry before accepting it doesn't work. Arb and onager man that's all you need. Light cav optional but I'd have them run left and right as a distraction, not actually throw them at the meat grinder that was those scorps. Couple trebs on standby. Or hell siege rams. Anything else really
Man I haven't played AOE in ages, suddnly saw this one popped up in my feed and the only thing I can think of now is to play! didn't know pople still played this online! Awesome videos and commentary dude!
I love fatslob, the guy just has fun and enjoy winning, it doesn't matter the way, love it
I think that everyone should play him at least once. It is just so different to your average game