5 kg weight and 3 bhp makes no difference to the 2 car performance. If they added a 10kg weight into the Suzuki do we think, the Renault would accelerate faster ? What made the Suzuki faster was the gearing.
True. Also depends on the torque and power curves of the engines. The swift may produce more torque over a wider rev range which would certainly help after the shift into 2nd.
Suzuki made a lot of modification from the first gen Swift to output not only 136hp but also very decent torque throughout the rev range using VVT amongs other things. It's really a good engine. The Twingo's engine is much simpler
Swift sport's 0-60 is overrated for insurance reasons (0-100kmh at 9s or above puts it in a lower insurance bracket), in the real world its around 7.3s in ideal conditions. Not sure about the twingo but probably the same situation there
Excellent! Very helpful when deciding which to buy on the used market 👍 Suzuki are much more reliable (joint 5th in recent Driver Power survey & from experience of owning several models from both Renault and Suzuki) plus lots of standard equipment on these ZC32S Swift Sports incl projector/xenon lights, keyless entry, start/stop button, climate & cruise control, leather multi-function steering wheel, comfortable suspension tuned by Suzuki on British B roads; these handle very well and absorb poor road surfaces well. Last of the lowish weight (circa 1050kg) manual, normally aspirated hot hatches with decent safety (NCAP 5⭐️ at the time) has been likened to a more modern 205 GTI in several reviews, with a revvy 1.6 n/a engine (M16A) that handles very well and most importantly, is fun to drive! Very entertaining and informative video! Tiff and Plato shootouts are the best; thank you 🏆
Funny enough the Swift isn't "more reliable", it's actually less reliable. There are examples out there where pistons decided to take a walk outside the engine, and there's zero examples of Twingo RS going bad. Renault Sport models have a long heritage and the F4R engine used here is bulletproof.
Oh the Swift, I wish my first car could be that, unfortunatelly they're way too expensive here, I'm aiming at a Fortwo Brabus, everything second hand of course.
I live in Africa where second hand vehicles rule. My current vehicle which happens to be my first is a swift. Not even a sport either! I love it! Not quick but when you know how to play with the momentum and golden zone for the cvt, it is a fun little thing! Transmission is the biggest downside as it slips sometimes but I plan on getting a new car soon. Till then, I treat her right and keep her well serviced. Lots of fun!
Still an entertaining video after all these years. Watched it a few times over that duration. As suzuki mainly made bikes I'm not familiar with their sports division if they have one for cars, but Renault sport is a well established sub division, so it would be no surprise their sporty models will drive and handle well. It is interesting how the twingo is smaller, but they managed to make it 5kg heavier than the likes of the swift.
I don't know why you'd buy any Renault honestly, I don't like either of these cars that much but bloody hell the Suzuki and a couple mods and you're still saving yourself money as much as I don't like them those Suzuki's go alright and they'll last a hell of a lot longer
Funny you mention a Venga.. I’ve got both a Twingo sport like this one and a 1.4 diesel Venga. I’ve had the Venga remapped, believe me it’s faster than the Twingo.
@@ryanlike2162 My missus has the 1.6 petrol venga its nippy but at least on paper its a 10.3 0-60 however hers is the automatic. I call it the tardis though smaller than a bmw mini but almost as big inside as a focus.
Why didnt you go on a +- 500km trip in tandem.. talk about ride comfort, and economy.. These cars are not designed for track.. I know you have a show to produce, but who is going to do that kind of driving that you show?
I am the owner of a Swift and I bought it to drive on the track and participate in amateur slaloms, just as shown in the video. There is a rental service at the Nürburgring where the majority of cars are Swifts. Any more questions? 😉
Happier times, but where has the time gone??🤔😳😳😲 Also a time when proper motoring journos and/or race drivers were on FG et al, instead of paid up shills reviewing environmentally unsound EVs💔🙄🤕🤬
Instant dislike! This is from 2013 and yet it comes across as recent. At least put the year it was broadcast so that I have a choice of wether to waste my time on old videos. Is this how sad Fifth Gear has become, to replay old videos.
They're hot enough for their price and the time of filming. Both does 0-60mph/0-100kmh in around 8 seconds (and for the Swift, up to high 7 seconds contrary to what Suzuki said) but their cornering capability will leave alot of cars behind in the corners - thats where they shine.
Wait a second.. this was filmed over 10 years ago. Let that sink in.
That's why they're not using the newer Swift which is much more ugly.
I noticed the iPhone 4 they were using and then I was like, now wait a minute?!
@@Alexandra-Rex I think newer swift looks better. Also would beat the new twingo as it has more power and less weight.
im convinced 2010-2020 wasnt a proper decade. doesnt feel any different now from 2012 i swear haha
Wonder which work better now after 10 years, my vote goes to the Suzuki!
so much fun to watch. that swift is definitely a bargain
Two touring car drivers and the cars came back with all their paint and bumpers, I'm impressed
5 kg weight and 3 bhp makes no difference to the 2 car performance.
If they added a 10kg weight into the Suzuki do we think, the Renault would accelerate faster ?
What made the Suzuki faster was the gearing.
True. Also depends on the torque and power curves of the engines. The swift may produce more torque over a wider rev range which would certainly help after the shift into 2nd.
Suzuki made a lot of modification from the first gen Swift to output not only 136hp but also very decent torque throughout the rev range using VVT amongs other things. It's really a good engine. The Twingo's engine is much simpler
Or maybe plato is hitting the rev limiter
Swift sport's 0-60 is overrated for insurance reasons (0-100kmh at 9s or above puts it in a lower insurance bracket), in the real world its around 7.3s in ideal conditions. Not sure about the twingo but probably the same situation there
They didnt even take the driver's weight into consideration, so the weight diff doesnt matter at all in the end
I've got a twingo rs gordini cup chassis and it is a joy to drive
I had one of them great car
Good times! Two legends and mates thrashing fun hatchbacks round a track. We miss them 👏
When I’m older I’m going to get one of those Swifts.
Oh wait…
The Swift look awesome
The new ones are ugly
I have a 2006 Swift Sport. I love it.
I miss tif neddell, cuss most of new videos of fifth gear dont have him
Well he is 70 now
It was so entertaining. I might have to find old seasons
Really good cars the Swifts.
Bought one new 2013 still got it in 2022.
Fun car but stock too much understeer.
Needs a new suspension/ better dampers.
Same here, bought one in 2013 and it's still in my garage!
Mine has stock suspension yet, but with negative camber and toe it handles a lot better!
@@tulliopinter7412 a good alignment does improve a lot.
Got coilover, alignment, wider wheel and tyres.
It´s on rails now.
Slow against any car with a turbo
@@LMAO2510yea a golf R would kill it 🙄
@@lassydogpie5390 It's very strange to compare cars that are completely different in class and price ;)
Excellent! Very helpful when deciding which to buy on the used market 👍
Suzuki are much more reliable (joint 5th in recent Driver Power survey & from experience of owning several models from both Renault and Suzuki) plus lots of standard equipment on these ZC32S Swift Sports incl projector/xenon lights, keyless entry, start/stop button, climate & cruise control, leather multi-function steering wheel, comfortable suspension tuned by Suzuki on British B roads; these handle very well and absorb poor road surfaces well.
Last of the lowish weight (circa 1050kg) manual, normally aspirated hot hatches with decent safety (NCAP 5⭐️ at the time) has been likened to a more modern 205 GTI in several reviews, with a revvy 1.6 n/a engine (M16A) that handles very well and most importantly, is fun to drive!
Very entertaining and informative video! Tiff and Plato shootouts are the best; thank you 🏆
Funny enough the Swift isn't "more reliable", it's actually less reliable. There are examples out there where pistons decided to take a walk outside the engine, and there's zero examples of Twingo RS going bad. Renault Sport models have a long heritage and the F4R engine used here is bulletproof.
Such a mistake losing Tiff, as so much challenges with Plato.
What a race! Edge of your seat stuff
Either car would be a fun entry point little hot hatch...
Tiff back? Oh no this was real fifth gear not the watered-down version on now.
Oh the Swift, I wish my first car could be that, unfortunatelly they're way too expensive here, I'm aiming at a Fortwo Brabus, everything second hand of course.
I live in Africa where second hand vehicles rule. My current vehicle which happens to be my first is a swift. Not even a sport either! I love it! Not quick but when you know how to play with the momentum and golden zone for the cvt, it is a fun little thing! Transmission is the biggest downside as it slips sometimes but I plan on getting a new car soon. Till then, I treat her right and keep her well serviced. Lots of fun!
@@ValentineL806you mean the clutch is worn out?
Must get a zc32s this year. Mind made up i loved my 31s the mk5 gti just doesn’t give me enough of the thrills i got from suzuki swift sports
This looks like WAY more fun than people have in supercars nowadays!
Tiff, the best! I miss him!
Still an entertaining video after all these years. Watched it a few times over that duration. As suzuki mainly made bikes I'm not familiar with their sports division if they have one for cars, but Renault sport is a well established sub division, so it would be no surprise their sporty models will drive and handle well. It is interesting how the twingo is smaller, but they managed to make it 5kg heavier than the likes of the swift.
great skills, reversing through the cones would be really tricky
Very comical 😂
Love that slalom!
Twingo is so cool and fun to drive, I used to have one, I upgraded to a 172
It's like watching Peter o'Toole racing Tony Danza.
Tiff always wins and Plato always loses, we already know what's gonna happen even before the first test, always the same.
Super fun...!! 👍
Do they both run a t-beam rear end guys?
Both fixed rear beams😀
We have the 2005 Swift 1.3 16Valve and my dream car is a 2007 Swift Sport
I’m thinking about buying one this year but they are pretty rare in The Netherlands
@@YourenotthatguyYes they are I got myself one from 2006
I've got a 2006 Swift Sport. They're great.
BRING BACK TIFF
i drive a swift. i want a swift sport so bad
Why didn´t you drive the latest 3. generation of the Swift which came in 2017 !? Is this an old video from years ago !?
the footage is around 10 years old
number plate 61 is from year 2011
@@ishadowland It's actually a 2012 car but was pre March so was still on a 61 plate
I don't know why you'd buy any Renault honestly, I don't like either of these cars that much but bloody hell the Suzuki and a couple mods and you're still saving yourself money as much as I don't like them those Suzuki's go alright and they'll last a hell of a lot longer
What a lovely video😂
2 Legends
Wish it could have been seen with these two vs a Kia Venga. Although these two may pip the venga on acceleration the venga is a lot more practical.
Funny you mention a Venga.. I’ve got both a Twingo sport like this one and a 1.4 diesel Venga. I’ve had the Venga remapped, believe me it’s faster than the Twingo.
@@ryanlike2162 My missus has the 1.6 petrol venga its nippy but at least on paper its a 10.3 0-60 however hers is the automatic. I call it the tardis though smaller than a bmw mini but almost as big inside as a focus.
Swift wins in reliability too!
Not in trilion years buddy . Renault is more reliable . Plus all these suzukis are rusted to ahit
@@Anticheat2011 No they aren't quit yapping
@@fredericchopin5993 yes they are . Suzuki sucks. Thats facts deal with it
@@Anticheat2011 if you're gonna troll, atleast try
@@fredericchopin5993 said idiot with no car :)
Wish the Swift was still available in the states. We have no fun inexpensive cars only four door suv's
It's becoming the same over here ☹️
Y does he look like Harry’s (sidemen) dad
Reupload?
Why didnt you go on a +- 500km trip in tandem.. talk about ride comfort, and economy.. These cars are not designed for track.. I know you have a show to produce, but who is going to do that kind of driving that you show?
I am the owner of a Swift and I bought it to drive on the track and participate in amateur slaloms, just as shown in the video. There is a rental service at the Nürburgring where the majority of cars are Swifts. Any more questions? 😉
Happier times, but where has the time gone??🤔😳😳😲
Also a time when proper motoring journos and/or race drivers were on FG et al, instead of paid up shills reviewing environmentally unsound EVs💔🙄🤕🤬
Ford Puma 1.7 1997. Would humilliate both cars, track especially.
Sure if you can get one but this was comparing cheapest new sporty hatchbacks at the time.
and a old crx would destroy everything.
Old rotten shit box
The Swift looks much better than the Twingo.
Reupload
The swift can do much better.... If you know how to drive it.
Would take the Twingo over the Swift any day 🤷🏻♂️
Using an iphone to time accuracy is quite a bad idea.
Instant dislike! This is from 2013 and yet it comes across as recent. At least put the year it was broadcast so that I have a choice of wether to waste my time on old videos. Is this how sad Fifth Gear has become, to replay old videos.
69th like ... "nice ;) "
i KNOW which one is more reliable and will last longer.... Made in Japan of course
Hi
😂
I buy Renault, not suzuki
Why?😊
These 2 are some fruity guys
You guys are cconfusing cars abilties and driver skills. Your video was utter B.S.
The Twingo looks more awesome
twingo better case closed lol
Boring old farts!
Neither of these are hot, they’re just hatches…
Hence the Hot ‘hatchling’
There warm hatches
They're hot enough for their price and the time of filming. Both does 0-60mph/0-100kmh in around 8 seconds (and for the Swift, up to high 7 seconds contrary to what Suzuki said) but their cornering capability will leave alot of cars behind in the corners - thats where they shine.