We lost Sabine earlier this year, so its great to see the other track queen VBH still doing an amazing job! These two would be great having their own show ... two classic legends!
That’s the worst comparison I’ve ever seen. I’ve owned both and tracked both. These 2 are worlds apart in handling. The megane is that much quicker it’s not even funny. Do you see the Toyota even close to a megane around the Nürburgring. Nope. It’s like comparing a megane to a gt3 rs. Just ludicrous
agreed.. this is a bunch of really artificial tests that don't really represent what these cars will do in the real world. On a track, the 265 would absolutely vanish into the sunset, leaving the GT86 wondering which way it went. I've driven a GT86 at length, I own a similar powered MX5 and i used to own a Megans 275 trophy. The Megane is hugely faster than the GT86 in every way.
this is more testing the individual driver's skill instead of the capabilities of the car...if they wanted real results they would have have switched drivers each rounds or something...
@@supposedly6991 yeah I’ve always hated their reviews. I’ve watched many of them to see how they conduct the reviews but it’s almost like they have something against the meganes.
if the gt 86 was tested with the primacy (it must have since it came with those tires only back then) it didn't stand a chance with a car which probably wore sport cup. Same tire and it would run within a second of the megane being more fun and preparing you for a future sport car with more power (RWD). Having said so Vicky s legs looked really good in this one ahahah
@@minimumtrade I see, but still, the primacy are eco tires, terrible in terms of grip, the gt 86 also has more like 180hp when dynoed. How many second gap would you reckon there are in between the two cars on this track. I don t know the track I just guess the time gap per minutes between a track day tire and a primacy
@@minimumtrade The megane is on 19's in this clip, it has the red stripe on the rim, so it's on Bridgestones, almost every test back in the day said they were much better handling cars on 18's with Michelins. Evo ran an RS 265 for 6 months on 19's and 6 months on 18's and concluded 19's were only good for looks, personally I think the 19" Steev's look awful compared to stock 18" tibors
GT86 carries more speed through the corners 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 that's ridiculous how untrue it is. I bet RS 265 cup can go at least 30-40 kmh faster in every corner before that gt86 breaks traction.
bought a new 265 trophy+ in 2013-- had to sell in 2022 - and of the 30+ cars I've owned, my fav... so so sad when she went and I WISH there was a way I could have kept her...
A fun non-serious comparison obviously. If Tiff was driving both and doing a proper track time comparison the RS would demolish the GT everytime. Being able to drift a car is only one element of fun, the RS in Cup and non-cup is still bags of driver loving fun and much more capable, plus easily upgraded to be even more powerful. GT is more comparable to a Clio RS. Both great drivers cars.
5:37 as an owner of an 86 I can't disagree with "deserves it victory" more haha it's slow, and handles better than a boat... Tiff is clearly the better driver, and struggled to win (note using the handbrake for the reverse 180 and more). No shame or anything, but this feels staged, or they would have swapped cars
Rwd in non supercars just isn't totally right. Unintentional oversteer is very dangerous and annoying, sure your reflex (if you are a good driver) will sort that out by counter steering, modulating throttle input and so on but still you don't want to have any possibility of unintentional oversteer at all... Rwd is best suited for track focused supercars, you can't see them unintentionally oversteering because they have so much grip...
@@supposedly6991 Nah, luxury cars are all rwd. Fwd can not be as comfortable as rwd through corners at the same speed. Fwd is only good with hot hatch or kei cars due to the short body.
@@michaelteofilo5204 they have a history of blowing up when turbo'd or supercharged. Usually an engine swap with that chassis is best. Awesome car though and that's coming from an RS265 owner
As someone who owns the same Megane I'll agree that the handbrake is kinda crappy. Also I agree, that limiter comes up really quick when it kicks in. Otherwise it's a beautiful car to drive.
A fun not serious test. This is a Apple vs orange test. If the cars were similar power and weight you would see RWD cleanup. Just imagine if you detuned the boost on the Megane RS to 200hp or the new 2.4 86 was tested? Still most young people have grow up on FWD and manufactures build there performance vehicles of those platforms. RWD is basically dead except for a few cases, sigh 😔
Turbo GT86's making around 300hp with the "standard" track mods i.e. Coilovers, wider wheels and tyres, better brakes etc. Do almost identical lap times to Meganes with similar mods. They're both extremely capable cars.
@@Gurka84 doesn't make much difference, the Meg stock was still scary, faster than his supercharged type r he had before, point being that in this test which had a car made for fun vs a car made to tackle tracks quickly they had a fwd car trying to drift, the fun of the meg comes differently and it depends what you want but since his TRD came with the hks supercharger my point remains valid yes?
It's completely pointless if it's not cup version of Megane... How on earth do you not the cup megane with proper lsd instead of that understeering machine
FWD cars will always lose out for drift style slides, particularly up against RWD cars, so this test in particular was pretty much biased and unfair. To state the FWD Megane lost to the RWD Toyota in a test which favoured the Toyota is a bit cheesy. Bottom line: The Megane spanked the 86 on the fastest lap test where it matters. Simple.
You both could be good 5 sec faster in lap if you were not talking And I don't understand why I keep hurting my heart by watching cars because I can't afford any right now until I hit a lottery
Vicky and the way she drives that Megane is just dreadful. In this Test, Megane's strength here is the G turn and she uses the handbrake to do that, and each time comes to a dead stop and again accelerates from that dead stop with the FWD. that is just dreadful!
FWD will be always worse proposal than RWD. FWD was introduced to cars as is faster, easier and cheaper to build for car makers. That's only advantage of FWD over RWD.
Only partly true. Designed by a Toyota engineer, Toyota transmission and Toyota specially designed diff, Subaru motor with Toyota designed intake setup and sump, built in Subaru factory with lots of bits, lights etc, branded with Subaru name. It was always a Toyota concept and they had to talk Subaru into taking part.
We lost Sabine earlier this year, so its great to see the other track queen VBH still doing an amazing job! These two would be great having their own show ... two classic legends!
Yes, Vicki and Tiff are a wonderful presenting duo.
That’s the worst comparison I’ve ever seen. I’ve owned both and tracked both. These 2 are worlds apart in handling. The megane is that much quicker it’s not even funny. Do you see the Toyota even close to a megane around the Nürburgring. Nope. It’s like comparing a megane to a gt3 rs. Just ludicrous
The fact that the gt86 is compared to a megane rs (cup or non cup) is just silly, gt86 comes closer to a clio but nowhere near megane
Clio faster
agreed.. this is a bunch of really artificial tests that don't really represent what these cars will do in the real world. On a track, the 265 would absolutely vanish into the sunset, leaving the GT86 wondering which way it went. I've driven a GT86 at length, I own a similar powered MX5 and i used to own a Megans 275 trophy. The Megane is hugely faster than the GT86 in every way.
Vicki and Tiff have just as great chemistry as May Hammond and Clarkson. They could do a non car show and it would still be fun.
Got to love there enthusiasm in whatever they drive
Geat episode any with vicky is great we all love vicky
Tiff! Nice to see you on this, I hope to see you return in the next series
This is from 9 years ago unfortunately :(
Would be interesting to see the new GR86 tested.
Vicky has a lot of enthusiasm, as usual.
Tiff has a brilliant driving skills! Impressed
Vicky s in good shape without the extra horse power
Would like to see Tiff do a lap in the Megane, just to get a better lap reference
this is more testing the individual driver's skill instead of the capabilities of the car...if they wanted real results they would have have switched drivers each rounds or something...
This test is completely irrelevant, no cup chassis for this megane plus vicki doesn't drive as well as tiff. Utterly useless testing.
@@supposedly6991 yeah I’ve always hated their reviews. I’ve watched many of them to see how they conduct the reviews but it’s almost like they have something against the meganes.
if the gt 86 was tested with the primacy (it must have since it came with those tires only back then) it didn't stand a chance with a car which probably wore sport cup. Same tire and it would run within a second of the megane being more fun and preparing you for a future sport car with more power (RWD). Having said so Vicky s legs looked really good in this one ahahah
Meganes came with Pilot Sport 2 or Bridgestone RE050A. Only the final 275 variants had Cup tyres as an option in some markets.
@@minimumtrade I see, but still, the primacy are eco tires, terrible in terms of grip, the gt 86 also has more like 180hp when dynoed. How many second gap would you reckon there are in between the two cars on this track. I don t know the track I just guess the time gap per minutes between a track day tire and a primacy
@@massimilianozeni1848 Their megane didn't have cup chassis which is essential if you want to drive on track... How dreadful
@@supposedly6991 the one in the video is a cup
@@minimumtrade The megane is on 19's in this clip, it has the red stripe on the rim, so it's on Bridgestones, almost every test back in the day said they were much better handling cars on 18's with Michelins. Evo ran an RS 265 for 6 months on 19's and 6 months on 18's and concluded 19's were only good for looks, personally I think the 19" Steev's look awful compared to stock 18" tibors
GT86 carries more speed through the corners 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 that's ridiculous how untrue it is. I bet RS 265 cup can go at least 30-40 kmh faster in every corner before that gt86 breaks traction.
cope
The 86 has prius tires what do you expect, but better tires and the renault has no chance in the corners, simple physics you know
@@broshido2745 u realise the Megane is made for corners…
@@edwinjoseph2163 lol, and the 86 isn't? 🤦♂️
Tell you can’t drive without telling me you can’t drive
Loved your show n still do.. 🍻
Makes me proud of my Fiesta ST’s 1 min 29 second lap and my FK8’s 1 min 24 😬🙌❤️ Vicky is a ledge! Love Tiff too 😬
bought a new 265 trophy+ in 2013-- had to sell in 2022 - and of the 30+ cars I've owned, my fav... so so sad when she went and I WISH there was a way I could have kept her...
Every episode of 5th Gear is always full of proper testing, energetic driving and sound advice. Year after year this team delivers.
This. Idea is great Keep up all the good work
A fun non-serious comparison obviously. If Tiff was driving both and doing a proper track time comparison the RS would demolish the GT everytime. Being able to drift a car is only one element of fun, the RS in Cup and non-cup is still bags of driver loving fun and much more capable, plus easily upgraded to be even more powerful. GT is more comparable to a Clio RS. Both great drivers cars.
Best way to test hot hatches is fastest around a twisty track
5:37 as an owner of an 86 I can't disagree with "deserves it victory" more haha
it's slow, and handles better than a boat... Tiff is clearly the better driver, and struggled to win (note using the handbrake for the reverse 180 and more). No shame or anything, but this feels staged, or they would have swapped cars
I’d love to see it go up against the upcoming Toyota GT86
GR86 & it’ll be close 👀👍🏼
Rwd in non supercars just isn't totally right. Unintentional oversteer is very dangerous and annoying, sure your reflex (if you are a good driver) will sort that out by counter steering, modulating throttle input and so on but still you don't want to have any possibility of unintentional oversteer at all... Rwd is best suited for track focused supercars, you can't see them unintentionally oversteering because they have so much grip...
@@supposedly6991 Nah, luxury cars are all rwd. Fwd can not be as comfortable as rwd through corners at the same speed.
Fwd is only good with hot hatch or kei cars due to the short body.
totally distracted by vbh legs!
This brothers starving
But weird but ok
Creep
Would
Does the soundtrack sound familiar? 1:05
This Megane can easily be remapped to 300 HP, which is something most owners do.
86 can't match that turbo power.
Unless you strap a turbo to it
@@michaelteofilo5204 they have a history of blowing up when turbo'd or supercharged. Usually an engine swap with that chassis is best. Awesome car though and that's coming from an RS265 owner
Also RS has a much more capable chassis than GT86. RS is a much more capable, much better handling car.
The Renault has way more torque with the turbo. I'd say the Toyota more fun, but the Renault a more serious track machine
@@supposedly6991 you are so salty Megane lost the handling tests 😂 get over it
As someone who owns the same Megane I'll agree that the handbrake is kinda crappy. Also I agree, that limiter comes up really quick when it kicks in. Otherwise it's a beautiful car to drive.
The RS cheap GT3 nothing will beat a Renault Sport on the track for the money.
Should have swap driver every other round .
fwd vs rwd on kinda drifting thngy? Wth?
6:39 RIP Sabine
Is the gt86 made by subaru for toyota?
Partnership
Vicki looks great in tights !!!!!
Stockings and suspenders, surely?
Blonde?
Gorgeous?
Naughty?
Loves cars?
Understands cars?
Proper quick driver?
Please apply here.
A fun not serious test. This is a Apple vs orange test. If the cars were similar power and weight you would see RWD cleanup. Just imagine if you detuned the boost on the Megane RS to 200hp or the new 2.4 86 was tested? Still most young people have grow up on FWD and manufactures build there performance vehicles of those platforms. RWD is basically dead except for a few cases, sigh 😔
Turbo GT86's making around 300hp with the "standard" track mods i.e. Coilovers, wider wheels and tyres, better brakes etc. Do almost identical lap times to Meganes with similar mods. They're both extremely capable cars.
It's rear wheel for me, and Toyota is the only one available in the USA, California 👦🏻👍🏻🏁🏎
now thats a stunning pair of .....cars
Why didn´t you chose the newest Renault Mégane 1.8 R.S. 300 Trophy !? And why not the newest Toyota GR86 !?
Because it's an older test and those didn't exist
👋 Vickie, 👍 on the Megane. Love your drift n poise ❤️
Missed most of the first test oggling at Vickys thighs , shes lovely.
Sir Drift-A-Lot... hahaha! Spot on Vicky
Megane RS is a killer if you kill with it.
So you decide the Toyota is better because you made two test up where it excels. Great testing. Completely unbiased. 😂
Its more fun, I think this is enough
@@Gurka84 owning a modded megane 250 cup and comparing to my mates trd gt86, we both agree the well sorted meg will make you shit yourself
@@elysian3623 You can only compare stock VS stock or modded VS modded otherwise it looses the point
@@Gurka84 doesn't make much difference, the Meg stock was still scary, faster than his supercharged type r he had before, point being that in this test which had a car made for fun vs a car made to tackle tracks quickly they had a fwd car trying to drift, the fun of the meg comes differently and it depends what you want but since his TRD came with the hks supercharger my point remains valid yes?
It's completely pointless if it's not cup version of Megane... How on earth do you not the cup megane with proper lsd instead of that understeering machine
FWD cars will always lose out for drift style slides, particularly up against RWD cars, so this test in particular was pretty much biased and unfair. To state the FWD Megane lost to the RWD Toyota in a test which favoured the Toyota is a bit cheesy. Bottom line: The Megane spanked the 86 on the fastest lap test where it matters. Simple.
Nice to see that renault still can't make a gearbox 😂
What car?
Their incompetence in doing these tests were painful to watch
RWD always better, no matter what makes you sleep at night. FWD is just the equivalent of P/C in automotive terms.
Try telling that to the M5/Merc AMG baseball capped fanboys who couldn't keep up with my friends 1.6 RS Clio in the Yorkshire Dales last weekend... 😎
@@JustAGameShow haha all these high power saloons and suv eat shit on proper yorkshire b roads LOW WEIGHT :DD
But the GT86 is no longer in production... The GR86 is even better.
ok and?
@@Chair991 Just in case you are unaware.
Tiff is a god damn legend
Totally drifrent cars mx5 be more suited to gt86 but al fun to watch
I’m still giggling. Brilliant 😂
In my humble opinion vicky is the fastest thing on the track
my pick defenily the megane. gorgeous legs Vick
poor Vicky has to listen to Tiff mansplain her lap
Just how old is this?
Late 2012
@@blatantlyjohn6234 lol why they post it 9 years later?
No audio.
Kindly re upload.
There is audio.
time for new headphones?
At least Gt86 doesn't look awful
The French know how to build them hatchbacks no doubt. But il still get the 86. 😁
You both could be good 5 sec faster in lap if you were not talking
And I don't understand why I keep hurting my heart by watching cars because I can't afford any right now until I hit a lottery
1 probably not even that much and 2 if you need to hit a lottery just to get a used BRZ then you got some issues mate
Well the whole point of the tv show is to present the cars to an audience so not describing the experience would defeat the purpose of the show.
With a better driver could easily have been 2-1 the other way
Im sorry but whos drifting a megane
Rear wheel drive all day long
Toyota all the way
Lol
I miss her...
Vicky and the way she drives that Megane is just dreadful. In this Test, Megane's strength here is the G turn and she uses the handbrake to do that, and each time comes to a dead stop and again accelerates from that dead stop with the FWD. that is just dreadful!
oh Vicki...
Toyota with Mégane engine,=fun
Old wine in old bottles.... No problem!
Mégane is the all best❤
I would love to do a few laps with Vicky, bet she is a real beast when in high gear.
2 0 or 2.4 in the Toyota?
Old model. 2.0
@@richardhoulton4016 Thank you.
VBH is a good driver, but she doesn't know how to J turn a Fwd car
Totally irrelevant test done in wet and with different drivers. Megane is much more capable
Its nice to see senior citizens reviewing cars. Out of touch, but sweet.
Out of touch is someone focusing on age and blind to see the quality of the presenters. Shallow and pathetic.
VBH aggressive flicking. Mmmm.......
The Renault will burn a hole thru your pockets
The Megane has the legs.... 😁
Oh I miss scary tree.
i can end the argument in ten seconds. buy an Audi..
Nah😂
Sabine...
FWD will be always worse proposal than RWD.
FWD was introduced to cars as is faster, easier and cheaper to build for car makers. That's only advantage of FWD over RWD.
Not in snow or icy conditions it isn't.
It's a Subaru, same as the Celica is a BMW as the Toyota Yaris is a Mazda.
Only partly true. Designed by a Toyota engineer, Toyota transmission and Toyota specially designed diff, Subaru motor with Toyota designed intake setup and sump, built in Subaru factory with lots of bits, lights etc, branded with Subaru name. It was always a Toyota concept and they had to talk Subaru into taking part.
Thighs all the way
Hai
Vic's dress would look better in my 265rs 🤪🤪
40th liker and first comment 😉😎
Calm down big boy
Baller.
@@andrewnorris5415 What this mean
@@patrickduffy94 I am calm
Dafaq is wrong with you
this is just a stupid test
The little shelf curiously cough because cafe developmentally support after a joyous chive. unusual, sweltering amusement
👍
Sexy la pilote !
Femininism strikes again! This is a MAN'S channel. Vicky is here purely for eye candy----BRING BACK TIFF!
Renault is better. Driver was the problem 😆
Firs comment
GT86 shit engine.
Women drivers 😂
Tiff is clearly a much better driver especially in that first test where vicki showed little to no skills whatsoever, god how women can't drive
It's a souped up fwd econobox you third worlder misogynist
Gotta go back nine years for some decent fifth gear
Don't know what's going on with the electric cars or rubbish new presenters