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A full race-alignment on the Swift would have been sticking to the "Cash vs. Trash" theme as the cash outlay for extra adjustability is exactly why you would spend more.
Agreed. Setting them up the same hampered the swift. Depends what the experiment was... If it was purely cash Vs trash, then telling the guys to set the swift as best as possible for the track, would have been truest (while getting Marty to do a string and chalk alignment), but if it was about whether money buys bolt on performance then it was fairest the way it was done.
I feel like some brake upgrades for both cars could have been a great addition even if just some higher performance pads and fluid. Marty clearly needed them especially.
something you didn't mention in the cost breakdown, where I think a large portion of the swift budget went to, is safety. the cage, the seats, the race gear etc. if you were to roll it on one of those corners you're walking away in much better mood than you would after a few flips in the peugeot. enjoyed the series guys! keep up the good work
People sleep on the french hatches dude!! They've made some of the BEST and they still don't get the recognition they deserve. I've had a 106gti, 172 clio cup, 220 clio trophy and I'm now in a Megane RS Trophy. For driving, you can't fault them.
This video shows that weight reduction can really make a difference since both car were suspension tuned to be almost alike. Also I think that Moog should’ve done a proper suspension adjustment and not trying to match Marty because that’s the whole purpose of buying a higher end suspension. But it helped show that weight is a factor worth considering.
Its not just more adjustment, it's the compliancy of bound/rebound. He was running low/mid set anyway which gave limited adjustment advancement to ebay specials. Cars without alot of power, weight and balance is what makes the difference.
the swift on paper was the better car more expensive = more better even if the settings are the same in one department . remember its not the same car its a new car vs an old one
He did do a proper suspension adjustment. Just because they made both cars the "same" doesnt mean its any worse, it just means the handling manners are similar. beyond the basic principles of a track alignment its all down to tweaking to driver preferences and track conditions, i dont think theyre going to hire an alignment guy to come to the track for this video🤣 Its not like the swift has more to be adjusted outside of damping, both cars only have coilovers, the swifts are just better. they havent done anything extra to adjust with the swift suspension meaningfully yet.
@@GeneralNOH I didn’t say they did a bad adjustment. What I’m saying is to do an adjustment proper to the car in question without trying to match the other car. Use the suspension to its full potential and not handicap it to “be fair”. To begin with both cars are different regarding weight, probably also weight distribution and suspension geometry. If you buy a more expensive suspension it’s because you want the ability to fine tune it to the car so it behaves closer to how you want. This “match tuning” basically negates the purpose of buying that suspension and for us to know if a more expensive suspension is actually worth buying, which is supposed to be the purpose of this series. There’s already enough handicaps given for the competition to be fair, both cars have the same tires and Moogs car has extra weight, there’s no need for more balancing.
Great little series, but I'm honestly surprised that proper high temp brake fluid and track pads were not used. That would have not only improved performance and lap times, but is also a huge safety aspect that should not be ignored.
It depends. The 206 may have some electrical gremlins and suspension issues but one thing that is often underastimated on them is the TU5JP4 1.6 16v engine. That engine is not only very durable (way more than the 8v variant for sure) but it has some really good power (110hp).
@@Rickanroc yeah you can easily get 150 out of that engine,over that it becomes quite a lot more expensive but it is really a great engine to start with.
Great series. I think for budget buyers, the 180hp version of the 206 with some good tyres would give better performance for buck than tuning a swift up to match (or a Clio RS II/III). Also the torsion beam probably isn't going to be a limitation when you consider the Megane Trophy R is still torsion beam.
People don't realise that FWD hot hatches have roughly 2/3 of the weight on the front and 1/3 on the rear, so the first thing you need to make it handle well mid corner is to keep two wheels on the ground in the front (2/3 of the weight taken care of) and one wheel on the ground in the back (remaining 1/3 of the weight taken care of, one wheel per one 1/3 of the weight). The grip between front and rear axle is balanced that way. You can laugh about tripodding but it's how you allow the rear to rotate around the front, thus making the car less understeery. Torsion beam rear suspension is perfect for doing that. My friend decided to build a rally NC MX-5, he said that superior weight distribution, suspension and drivetrain will give him an advantage over those french hatches in 2000 class, over a year (and a lot of $$) later, he's right in the middle of the pack between those Peugeots and Renaults he "has an advantage" over 😅
@@shaggings I know the term "rally" is associated with gravel, but rallies in my country are mostly held on tarmac country/rural roads, so looking at a plain data sheet of the MX-5 and comparing it to a 206 or a Clio my friend's assumption should be correct, MX-5 should be the superior handling car. But somehow it's not. I mean, you can't fault the MX-5 here, my friend is not the only person in a technically superior car getting stomped by a french hot hatch, there's a guy in my country with a Megane II RS that wins pretty much every time attack he enters (and he's competing against 400-500HP Evos, STIs, BMWs etc), so it's not just a rally specific thing. If french cars do something right it's definitely the handling.
The peugeot has a complete different torsion beam than what you’ve got in mind. The actual spring is a torsion beam.. A megane has the traditional torsion beam with coil springs.
I love the fact that this episode is out while Peugeot is currently leading the LeMans 24 Hours Race! IDK if they actually win of course, there's a couple of hours left, but I thought I would write it as a comment for posterity!
that "knowing that for these 24 seconds we were free" was so lowkey, i loved it ^^ I think it would be interesting if you both drove both car to say which one is actually more pleasant as a track car ? The confortable one with the good equipment, or the rough brutal one ? I've never tried a proper bucket seat, helmet etc. but i tend to like gutted cars for the raw feel they give, which one is the most fun ?
In reality an approach somewhere in between cash and trash is going to net you the best performance for your money depending on what components you're looking at. This has been a fun series, top work as always guys.
That was totally expected, considering that Suzuki basically gets only few real performance update like wheels and tire, but the rest there were just cosmetic or safety updates, I know it got a better suspension, but in order to make a "fair" competition, they didn't use all the benefits of a better suspension, so basically the suspension didn't do anything, and also, the biggest factor was the weight reduction, basically Swift got fatter and Peugeot Bro got lighter and that, in the world of small engine, that's the biggest factor between winning or losing, I love this series, it really was a good form to know about, expending a lot of cash doesn't mean you will always get better result
The suspension episode was so strange because until then they were saying money wasn't a factor, but then they went out and still got a pretty shit suspension for the swift.
Neither car got driven at 10/10ths so your "That was totally expected" is bit premature don't you think. Get someone with balls to drive the cars, not these two skirts and you'll find both cars where a waste of time and money.
Loved this series, good reminder to spend wisely. Was hoping to see an episode for swaybars, end links, subframe braces etc. JDM fwd street cars dramatically improve handling with these upgrades. Marty could have welded up a scrap bin special subframe brace 🗿 One for the next season perhap?!
I met these 2 legends in Paris. Nicest guys ever. Their empathy is second to none. They both signed my old moped. Now that moped has to live in my living room!!
This is the best content from MCM outside of the long films. I love the super-budget builds that are an homage to your work from early years, but with access to high quality tracks and equipment. Great work as always.
Weight and tires will makes huge gains on lower power cars everyone wants high hp numbers for the flex but better handling and grip has the pay-off way higher good series enjoyed this hopefully inspires a few to get on the track in whatever they can get there and can't put a price on the smile you'll have after
I do not understand why Moog didn't take full advantage of his expensive suspension when doing the alignment. Of course you should take full advantage, you bought expensive coilovers with more features?
Thanks for including th Pug! You are the only major car channel I've seen one, or any french cars on, since they really aren't appreciated. The masses expect that you bash them. German and Japan only gets so boring after a while, so many great cars out there if you allow yourself to meet them.
Speed cost money how fast do you want to go is always true. But ultimately is the faster car "more fun"? I think being able to have fun in a car at any price tag is more important. It builds skills that when you push to that next level car that will help you be a better driver on the street and on the track.
So mean to the Peuge Bro, I loved my old 206 GTI 180, that lift off oversteer, fitting my triathlon bike in the back without taking off the wheels, was such a nice and fun little car
Thanks guys, it's been an entertaining series. Less weight is important on a twisty track seems to be a solid takeaway from this. Oh, and stock brake pads and fluid will probably be a limiting factor that reduces your time on track.
Less weight is important everywhere. You could argue it's less important in a straight line... but somebody, somewhere will argue back and probably make valid points 🤣
Very nice series, great idea. I'd really like to see it with different (affordable) cars but then see the same things done to both cars, i.e. not reducing weight in one, adding some in the other. And both should get proper tuneups after installing intake, exhaust, etc. Maybe also compare stock vs standalone ecu or something. Apart form that, keep it up!
Actually Moog, for me, RUclips inserted an ad exactly before you said what your total money spent was😆 this was an interesting challenge and build series. I like certain cars that have an enthusiast following, but aren't very popular with the masses. It's nice to drive places and you have the only make and model car there.
I think that comparison wasn't fair. Suzuki got a lot of expensive parts that didn't contribute to making it faster and Peugebro got the best thing for a cheap track car possible which is lightness and for some reason expensive tires (I think tires should be some new economy tires - good brand but cheap to compare them witch expensive ones). But this series was super fun to watch and I hope there will be more seasons!
I took my RSX type S/DC5 Integra to the track last weekend. Mods: bucket seat with rails, Momo steering wheel with quick release, cat back exhaust, big brake kit(brembos), high temp brake fluid, race pads, stainless lines, bigger rear sway bar, sub frame brace and 200TW tires.The car is on A spec factory suspension (1 inch lower than regular RSX) man I had so much fun, was amazing and I am glad I did the mods in this order
It's worth mentioning that the 206 doesn't have door cards and carpet which in Australia makes it illegal to drive on the road so it technically can't be driven to the track as you stated at the start
I knew it. I commented in the last video. You can rip in an absolute nugget with only upgraded tires, suspension, and weight reduction. I know because I've done it. I would argue that it might be more practical to rip out the interior because it gives you more space to fit larger items, as I did with mine. Only downside is the road noise at anything over 30 mph is immense, so you will get tinnitus as an added "bonus".
So fun story. My wife and I were on a quick road trip to pick some stuff up a couple of hours away. We decide to grab lunch but it's Sunday in the south so options can be limited. So we go to Chili's... I know. But we "enjoying" our food when I hear, "you're the bullet, I'm the gun" loudly sung over the background music... I freaked out a little. My wife didn't get it. Great job moog.
the 206 is such an underrated car, one of the best budget track hatchbacks to build these days, also stock they are tons of fun! had a 2.0 GTI and now have a 1.6 16V XS, superb little cars
I wonder if Marty will keep the Peugeot, and give it some additional service, stronger brakes, and some additional power adders...I think he was thrilled with what he accomplished, and how he did it.
Wouldn't bother. If he was actually keen on keeping a Peugeot ( doubt it ), you'd buy a GTI or GTI180 minimum. There was a red 206 GTI going for 4k when this series came about.
@@Kristoph109 and how many bigger engines or forced induction have they done to Daihatsu's...? Would be cool to see them go that route with the Peugeot, because it's so different where they are.
Maybe if it didn't have whatever problem is with the engine to make the light come on and the breaks failing. It's a turd, and not a good kind of one so the decision to put more money into it just to make it functioning would have to be rationalized through love, and I don't know if there's much love being felt for that thing haha
Great to see you using a genuine race seat. If it happens again, come to us. You will understand why we build the best and supply most of the OEM race teams.
Would be interested to see if a proper suspension setup on the Swift had an impact - by matching setup this test kinda negated the spend. But right now you could set it to maximum potential and get another time and it would be an interesting bit of data for a budget build. As for the puegbro, sell it to someone who does love those little nuggets and check back in from time to time :)
How did it negate the spend? You buy better coilovers for better damping features, preload and height adjustment. not alignment. This is the logic of someone who hasnt actually fitted coilovers or aligned a car and has NFI what theyre talking about. They havent gone wild on adjustable arms or anything so theyre still pretty much limited to basic toe adjustment on the swift. They could run more agressive alignement on the pegeot for 0 extra cost so this is a dumb argument, you may as well make them the same. Going for crazier alignments requires better driving too, you trade off driveability.
@@GeneralNOHthe coils and alignment go hand in hand for a few reasons but the caster, camber, and toe settings are affected by the ride height of the car during various stages of suspension travel, so taking that into account during the alignment can get you an edge. Also, adding the drivers weight in the seat during the alignment assures you have the most accurate alignment possible. But the biggest difference is with coil overs, you can do proper corner balancing on the car and that can add seconds to a lap time with a proper car and a decent driver. And as you change the alignment, the corner balance gets thrown off by a significant amount. The coils allow you to do the fine adjustments to get the alignment and the corner balance right on. I used to work in a performance shop building spec Miata’s and did a ton of alignment work on the cars
Literally started the video, so happy to see a pug on the channel. I have both a 308 and borrowing my stepdads 407 while I try to fix the 308. I plan to do it up as a side project, but it might be due the scrappy
Thoroughly enjoyed the video! While the Swift lost (by a tiny margin), it is also set up better for future modding. Very cool series and interesting result!
As a Subaru and Peugeot owner I knew the result since the start. Peugeots are so underrated or even hated in petrolheads world, so nobody really know how good they are. Just out of the box it was faster than Swift, but with proper mods it could be way faster.
Great little series guys. These type of head to head builds are fantastic and so enjoyable. Look forward to seeing the Swift get it's next batch of mods, brilliant little things :). That 206 did itself more than proud!, You need to give it a good send off :)
Reminds me video what I just seen recently on Facebook where the guy was driving Aston Martin and he couldn't shake off from little 206 😅... Peugeots are absolutely brilliant cars for the money. Even if something goes wrong it's really cheap to fix / replace. So nice one little Peugeot 😃👍
Find a 3,0 V6 Peugeot front end, and stick it in the rear of the 206, center engine that are very tunable, fix the gearing with lower tires, and remove all flex bushings from the anti roll bar, making it stiffer, there's so much more to do, for little, or no money, what about side rails out of alu, for the seat, i like the challenge of no or little money, much better than just buying stuff. Build over bought, everyday.
Excellent series, thankyou! Just seen a Swift Sport for sale down the road for £2400, never considered one as a cheap track car but now it looks like im going to have to convince the wife!
The Peugeot has a lot more left in it, even on a budget build but you’d need to spend more time on forums and hunting parts. Peugeots are like Lego, a lot of parts from bigger cars will fit. A shorter diff is an easy swap, etc…
Pretty much setting up the Peugbro to fail....but we'll see I suppose (written before track battle). 10 minutes in.....yeah, pretty much as I suspected. 19:47 in.....yey Peugbro! 😂 I had a 206cc once, the cutest funnest convertible ever, with the GTI motor in it.....brilliant little car! Handled like it was on rails.
I love the series but you wanted to see which is faster with upgrades but you didn’t use all the adjustability, instead matching the trash suspension. So what’s the point spending more you aren’t going to use it ?
For $25k you could build a badass Golf, Civic or WRX. For 9k you could still build a pretty decent civic. You should race the turbo Camery and K swapped civic
I think the cage held back the swift but I know it was necessary for the bride seats so it's forgivable. I don't see why the suspension was not set up to its full potential, I mean that's the whole point of spending the money although I'm not sure it would've affected the outcome. Good series, can't wait to see what happens with the swift.
I called the Peugeot winning from the off!! 😂😂 Would have been an absolute cake walk if a better french hatch was chosen too, or even the 206 GTI... Great videos boys, absolutely loved them as per 👌
@@ferrumignis i just meant they got an absolutely bottom end french hatch as opposed to something more capable out the box from the french offerings... They could have got a 106 gti or saxo VTS which is still a 1.6 litre, 120ish bhp, similar in size etc and it would have SMOKED the swifty if the 206 did 😂
@@VersionOneUK They couldn't have got either of them since they were never imported into Australia. The 206 was the closest equivalent to the Swift they could find for reasonable money. This whole series has been a disappointing half assed mess tbh. Moog spent a bunch of money on mostly pointless crap, added weight and just threw on his new suspension with no setup. The engine tuning segment was an absolute joke.
Judging from Marty n Moogs reactions to the changes in their cars. Seats + Tires seem to be the biggest bang for the buck in track-day performance. Which makes sense, they are what control the two biggest variables. Adhesion to the road, and confidence from the driver.
We need more cash VS trash. I thought the swift had it in the bag so the result was a little surprising. I also love how you guys kept if even and fair as much as you could between the two cars.
Awesome vid, the seat problem is a easy repair, the system that a allows the seat to move forward for someone to climb in is the problem just remove the little cable underneath that is connected to the side lever.
Pads and fluids are like the #1 thing to do for a track day. I honestly consider it a safety thing. Some Motul 650 and stoptech sport pads are cheap and easy peace of mind for beginners.
Usually one of the first mods I do to any of my cars is upgrade the brakes. I feel like for a street car the brakes are usually the weakest link in terms of track performance. I’m surprised they were never brought up before the actual track battle.
Where did the smoke and CEL for the Swift come from? Excellent work Moog and Marty & Co who helped along the way. Love to see more of these nugget battles series. Plenty of overlooked budget daily cars with potential. Next if you guys could get a Proton Satria GTI and work on it. Cheers.
Oof. Spending $25k on modding a Suzuki Swift and then getting chopped by the Pugebro... can't deny the style of those sick Bride seats though. Loved the series. Maybe do a cash vs trash on power adds next time?
I hadn't even considered the PeugBro taking this. Well done. Genuinely surprised. Quelle surprise!! Spend a minimal few more and flush the brake fluid with DOT 4. If I remember right, it's compatible with DOT 3 but higher boiling point. To all the PeugBros and other car enthusiasts, do not use DOT 5. Completely different racing stuff.
Marty's Peugebro weight reduction was likely the biggest gain. Weight, tires and suspension makes the greatest difference around a track. Moog will win in the long run though. A good platform for further modding
I'm honestly in love with the Banana. I love the swift and am still hoping Suzuki comes back to the States. But im pleasantly surprised with the outcome. I want to see something to showcase what the puegbro is great at, and I would love to see the swift grow. Looking forward to the future episodes!
Love the series. And every episode of this series. But big shout to the both of you. And love the humbleness of Marty. Ps you would have that problem With a Honda 😅 just saying. Greetings all the way from Boston Massachusetts and hope you guys can do a meet and greet in the near future.
That was amazing! I would definitely buy the Suzuki first and would not pour 18k into it or anything. The buy good tires and send it is really the best way to improve the biggest factor the driver's skill
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This was an amazing series boys! really loved it!
LOVED watching this!!
Please do more of these challenge type videos
its 4am Sunday morning - wheres the kebab?
Given me inspiration for my swift. Loved the series, want to see more
Would of been nice to see a brake upgrade in this series! but it was worth the watch.
A full race-alignment on the Swift would have been sticking to the "Cash vs. Trash" theme as the cash outlay for extra adjustability is exactly why you would spend more.
Completely agree, would have been significantly different.
and what about better brake fluid and better pads?
Agreed. Setting them up the same hampered the swift. Depends what the experiment was... If it was purely cash Vs trash, then telling the guys to set the swift as best as possible for the track, would have been truest (while getting Marty to do a string and chalk alignment), but if it was about whether money buys bolt on performance then it was fairest the way it was done.
Suzuki fan & lovers crying hahaha
What would you have adjusted?
I feel like some brake upgrades for both cars could have been a great addition even if just some higher performance pads and fluid. Marty clearly needed them especially.
something you didn't mention in the cost breakdown, where I think a large portion of the swift budget went to, is safety.
the cage, the seats, the race gear etc. if you were to roll it on one of those corners you're walking away in much better mood than you would after a few flips in the peugeot.
enjoyed the series guys! keep up the good work
THIS ❤
If the peugeot kills you in the process its a win-win
@@tadassmolskas3014 That's a real Peug-bro move
Pug had 4 stars for safety 😅
@@tadassmolskas3014 the best outcome you can expect from a french car
Was always rooting for the 206, had one as a first car, so it's always got a place in my heart.
I had 307, 407 and a 508…I love the french weirdness😂❤
I was hoping they would continue upgrading the Peugeobro
Me too. I was quite happy how it all turned out
People sleep on the french hatches dude!! They've made some of the BEST and they still don't get the recognition they deserve. I've had a 106gti, 172 clio cup, 220 clio trophy and I'm now in a Megane RS Trophy. For driving, you can't fault them.
@@VersionOneUK the Megane rs line got the fwd nurburgring record everytime it came out with a new model
This video shows that weight reduction can really make a difference since both car were suspension tuned to be almost alike. Also I think that Moog should’ve done a proper suspension adjustment and not trying to match Marty because that’s the whole purpose of buying a higher end suspension. But it helped show that weight is a factor worth considering.
Its not just more adjustment, it's the compliancy of bound/rebound. He was running low/mid set anyway which gave limited adjustment advancement to ebay specials. Cars without alot of power, weight and balance is what makes the difference.
Swift didn't look as stable.
the swift on paper was the better car more expensive = more better even if the settings are the same in one department . remember its not the same car its a new car vs an old one
He did do a proper suspension adjustment. Just because they made both cars the "same" doesnt mean its any worse, it just means the handling manners are similar.
beyond the basic principles of a track alignment its all down to tweaking to driver preferences and track conditions, i dont think theyre going to hire an alignment guy to come to the track for this video🤣
Its not like the swift has more to be adjusted outside of damping, both cars only have coilovers, the swifts are just better. they havent done anything extra to adjust with the swift suspension meaningfully yet.
@@GeneralNOH I didn’t say they did a bad adjustment. What I’m saying is to do an adjustment proper to the car in question without trying to match the other car. Use the suspension to its full potential and not handicap it to “be fair”. To begin with both cars are different regarding weight, probably also weight distribution and suspension geometry. If you buy a more expensive suspension it’s because you want the ability to fine tune it to the car so it behaves closer to how you want. This “match tuning” basically negates the purpose of buying that suspension and for us to know if a more expensive suspension is actually worth buying, which is supposed to be the purpose of this series. There’s already enough handicaps given for the competition to be fair, both cars have the same tires and Moogs car has extra weight, there’s no need for more balancing.
Great little series, but I'm honestly surprised that proper high temp brake fluid and track pads were not used. That would have not only improved performance and lap times, but is also a huge safety aspect that should not be ignored.
Fr, active safety (tires, brakes, suspensión) is better than passive safety (bucket seat, roll cage)
I think stripping out the interior of Marty's car played a big part in the results.
It depends. The 206 may have some electrical gremlins and suspension issues but one thing that is often underastimated on them is the TU5JP4 1.6 16v engine.
That engine is not only very durable (way more than the 8v variant for sure) but it has some really good power (110hp).
@@Rickanroc yeah you can easily get 150 out of that engine,over that it becomes quite a lot more expensive but it is really a great engine to start with.
The 206 is just better
@@Rickanroc my RZR makes 110 hp and weigha 1200 lbs lol
Peugeot's interior was too clean to be stripped tbh
Great series.
I think for budget buyers, the 180hp version of the 206 with some good tyres would give better performance for buck than tuning a swift up to match (or a Clio RS II/III).
Also the torsion beam probably isn't going to be a limitation when you consider the Megane Trophy R is still torsion beam.
People don't realise that FWD hot hatches have roughly 2/3 of the weight on the front and 1/3 on the rear, so the first thing you need to make it handle well mid corner is to keep two wheels on the ground in the front (2/3 of the weight taken care of) and one wheel on the ground in the back (remaining 1/3 of the weight taken care of, one wheel per one 1/3 of the weight). The grip between front and rear axle is balanced that way. You can laugh about tripodding but it's how you allow the rear to rotate around the front, thus making the car less understeery. Torsion beam rear suspension is perfect for doing that.
My friend decided to build a rally NC MX-5, he said that superior weight distribution, suspension and drivetrain will give him an advantage over those french hatches in 2000 class, over a year (and a lot of $$) later, he's right in the middle of the pack between those Peugeots and Renaults he "has an advantage" over 😅
@@arekb5951 FWD is superior to RWD in lower traction situations like Rally. And AWD doesn't even need to be mentioned.
@@shaggings I know the term "rally" is associated with gravel, but rallies in my country are mostly held on tarmac country/rural roads, so looking at a plain data sheet of the MX-5 and comparing it to a 206 or a Clio my friend's assumption should be correct, MX-5 should be the superior handling car. But somehow it's not.
I mean, you can't fault the MX-5 here, my friend is not the only person in a technically superior car getting stomped by a french hot hatch, there's a guy in my country with a Megane II RS that wins pretty much every time attack he enters (and he's competing against 400-500HP Evos, STIs, BMWs etc), so it's not just a rally specific thing. If french cars do something right it's definitely the handling.
I think the ESP is working against agrassive handling in the peugeot
The peugeot has a complete different torsion beam than what you’ve got in mind. The actual spring is a torsion beam..
A megane has the traditional torsion beam with coil springs.
I love how often MCM uploads. Keep up the good work Marty and Moog!
I love the fact that this episode is out while Peugeot is currently leading the LeMans 24 Hours Race! IDK if they actually win of course, there's a couple of hours left, but I thought I would write it as a comment for posterity!
Ferrari ftw bro!
@@GTiR23 yup!
Moog looks like a Minion in that helmet and flo-yellow suit.
that "knowing that for these 24 seconds we were free" was so lowkey, i loved it ^^
I think it would be interesting if you both drove both car to say which one is actually more pleasant as a track car ? The confortable one with the good equipment, or the rough brutal one ? I've never tried a proper bucket seat, helmet etc. but i tend to like gutted cars for the raw feel they give, which one is the most fun ?
In reality an approach somewhere in between cash and trash is going to net you the best performance for your money depending on what components you're looking at.
This has been a fun series, top work as always guys.
That was totally expected, considering that Suzuki basically gets only few real performance update like wheels and tire, but the rest there were just cosmetic or safety updates, I know it got a better suspension, but in order to make a "fair" competition, they didn't use all the benefits of a better suspension, so basically the suspension didn't do anything, and also, the biggest factor was the weight reduction, basically Swift got fatter and Peugeot Bro got lighter and that, in the world of small engine, that's the biggest factor between winning or losing, I love this series, it really was a good form to know about, expending a lot of cash doesn't mean you will always get better result
agreed
The suspension episode was so strange because until then they were saying money wasn't a factor, but then they went out and still got a pretty shit suspension for the swift.
Neither car got driven at 10/10ths so your "That was totally expected" is bit premature don't you think.
Get someone with balls to drive the cars, not these two skirts and you'll find both cars where a waste of time and money.
@@maisydaisy9970 I thought the same, I feel they were too careful with those budget ricer car
@@maisydaisy9970 get Fred from Clunie Garage to set a time in them. Someone who can maximize any package.💥
Loved this series, good reminder to spend wisely. Was hoping to see an episode for swaybars, end links, subframe braces etc.
JDM fwd street cars dramatically improve handling with these upgrades. Marty could have welded up a scrap bin special subframe brace 🗿 One for the next season perhap?!
“Knowing that for those 24 seconds we’re free”…lol!!! Starting off with painfully amusing truths from the very beginning. I love it
This series cash vs trash has been great 👍🏼 love it
I met these 2 legends in Paris. Nicest guys ever. Their empathy is second to none. They both signed my old moped. Now that moped has to live in my living room!!
Nice to see some Megane RS's on the track
This is the best content from MCM outside of the long films. I love the super-budget builds that are an homage to your work from early years, but with access to high quality tracks and equipment. Great work as always.
You're dropping this as we're up early morning watching LeMans lol wish I was there in person
Weight and tires will makes huge gains on lower power cars everyone wants high hp numbers for the flex but better handling and grip has the pay-off way higher good series enjoyed this hopefully inspires a few to get on the track in whatever they can get there and can't put a price on the smile you'll have after
I do not understand why Moog didn't take full advantage of his expensive suspension when doing the alignment. Of course you should take full advantage, you bought expensive coilovers with more features?
Hard and soft, that’s hit. The strut tops aren’t adjustable and the back is a beam.
He didn't really go with good coilovers tbh😕
Thanks for including th Pug! You are the only major car channel I've seen one, or any french cars on, since they really aren't appreciated. The masses expect that you bash them. German and Japan only gets so boring after a while, so many great cars out there if you allow yourself to meet them.
Speed cost money how fast do you want to go is always true. But ultimately is the faster car "more fun"? I think being able to have fun in a car at any price tag is more important. It builds skills that when you push to that next level car that will help you be a better driver on the street and on the track.
So mean to the Peuge Bro, I loved my old 206 GTI 180, that lift off oversteer, fitting my triathlon bike in the back without taking off the wheels, was such a nice and fun little car
Moog: “Not sure if I need the whole race suit thing!”
Had me laughing 😂😂
Thanks guys, it's been an entertaining series. Less weight is important on a twisty track seems to be a solid takeaway from this. Oh, and stock brake pads and fluid will probably be a limiting factor that reduces your time on track.
Less weight is important everywhere.
You could argue it's less important in a straight line... but somebody, somewhere will argue back and probably make valid points 🤣
@@starfox_wr-45e93 Ha, true that. Can't help feeling the Swift would have won on a more open track though. Or overheated earlier. 🙂
Very nice series, great idea. I'd really like to see it with different (affordable) cars but then see the same things done to both cars, i.e. not reducing weight in one, adding some in the other. And both should get proper tuneups after installing intake, exhaust, etc. Maybe also compare stock vs standalone ecu or something. Apart form that, keep it up!
Actually Moog, for me, RUclips inserted an ad exactly before you said what your total money spent was😆 this was an interesting challenge and build series. I like certain cars that have an enthusiast following, but aren't very popular with the masses. It's nice to drive places and you have the only make and model car there.
I think that comparison wasn't fair. Suzuki got a lot of expensive parts that didn't contribute to making it faster and Peugebro got the best thing for a cheap track car possible which is lightness and for some reason expensive tires (I think tires should be some new economy tires - good brand but cheap to compare them witch expensive ones). But this series was super fun to watch and I hope there will be more seasons!
I took my RSX type S/DC5 Integra to the track last weekend.
Mods: bucket seat with rails, Momo steering wheel with quick release, cat back exhaust, big brake kit(brembos), high temp brake fluid, race pads, stainless lines, bigger rear sway bar, sub frame brace and 200TW tires.The car is on A spec factory suspension (1 inch lower than regular RSX) man I had so much fun, was amazing and I am glad I did the mods in this order
Please do something like this again
Off-road edition 👀
It's worth mentioning that the 206 doesn't have door cards and carpet which in Australia makes it illegal to drive on the road so it technically can't be driven to the track as you stated at the start
Well it’s about time Marty gets a win! Seems like Moog usually always does. Great series guys!
I knew it. I commented in the last video. You can rip in an absolute nugget with only upgraded tires, suspension, and weight reduction. I know because I've done it. I would argue that it might be more practical to rip out the interior because it gives you more space to fit larger items, as I did with mine. Only downside is the road noise at anything over 30 mph is immense, so you will get tinnitus as an added "bonus".
So fun story. My wife and I were on a quick road trip to pick some stuff up a couple of hours away. We decide to grab lunch but it's Sunday in the south so options can be limited. So we go to Chili's... I know. But we "enjoying" our food when I hear, "you're the bullet, I'm the gun" loudly sung over the background music... I freaked out a little. My wife didn't get it. Great job moog.
Goes to show what's truly important and you don't need to spend much. Brilliant series guys, keen to see what's next - Gemini?
the 206 is such an underrated car, one of the best budget track hatchbacks to build these days, also stock they are tons of fun! had a 2.0 GTI and now have a 1.6 16V XS, superb little cars
I wonder if Marty will keep the Peugeot, and give it some additional service, stronger brakes, and some additional power adders...I think he was thrilled with what he accomplished, and how he did it.
think about the other trash mods he did like exhaust...i think its going in the bin.
Wouldn't bother. If he was actually keen on keeping a Peugeot ( doubt it ), you'd buy a GTI or GTI180 minimum.
There was a red 206 GTI going for 4k when this series came about.
@@Kristoph109 and how many bigger engines or forced induction have they done to Daihatsu's...? Would be cool to see them go that route with the Peugeot, because it's so different where they are.
@@Kristoph1091.6i or 2.0i (non rc) have better tune options than the rc itself
Maybe if it didn't have whatever problem is with the engine to make the light come on and the breaks failing. It's a turd, and not a good kind of one so the decision to put more money into it just to make it functioning would have to be rationalized through love, and I don't know if there's much love being felt for that thing haha
Great to see you using a genuine race seat. If it happens again, come to us. You will understand why we build the best and supply most of the OEM race teams.
Would be interested to see if a proper suspension setup on the Swift had an impact - by matching setup this test kinda negated the spend. But right now you could set it to maximum potential and get another time and it would be an interesting bit of data for a budget build.
As for the puegbro, sell it to someone who does love those little nuggets and check back in from time to time :)
How did it negate the spend? You buy better coilovers for better damping features, preload and height adjustment. not alignment.
This is the logic of someone who hasnt actually fitted coilovers or aligned a car and has NFI what theyre talking about.
They havent gone wild on adjustable arms or anything so theyre still pretty much limited to basic toe adjustment on the swift. They could run more agressive alignement on the pegeot for 0 extra cost so this is a dumb argument, you may as well make them the same. Going for crazier alignments requires better driving too, you trade off driveability.
@@GeneralNOHthe coils and alignment go hand in hand for a few reasons but the caster, camber, and toe settings are affected by the ride height of the car during various stages of suspension travel, so taking that into account during the alignment can get you an edge. Also, adding the drivers weight in the seat during the alignment assures you have the most accurate alignment possible. But the biggest difference is with coil overs, you can do proper corner balancing on the car and that can add seconds to a lap time with a proper car and a decent driver. And as you change the alignment, the corner balance gets thrown off by a significant amount. The coils allow you to do the fine adjustments to get the alignment and the corner balance right on. I used to work in a performance shop building spec Miata’s and did a ton of alignment work on the cars
Literally started the video, so happy to see a pug on the channel. I have both a 308 and borrowing my stepdads 407 while I try to fix the 308. I plan to do it up as a side project, but it might be due the scrappy
Thoroughly enjoyed the video! While the Swift lost (by a tiny margin), it is also set up better for future modding. Very cool series and interesting result!
As a 206 owner , its not trash, its underrated gold
As a Subaru and Peugeot owner I knew the result since the start. Peugeots are so underrated or even hated in petrolheads world, so nobody really know how good they are. Just out of the box it was faster than Swift, but with proper mods it could be way faster.
What Peugeot did you have?
@Space Cowboy you are right about that 💯
@@khajiit5556 1,6 308 2011
Is not even GTI
Yesssss Peugeot for the win, my dad’s little 206 was one of the major reasons I became a car enthusiast and I was rooting for her from the start. 🎉🎉🎉
Great little series guys. These type of head to head builds are fantastic and so enjoyable. Look forward to seeing the Swift get it's next batch of mods, brilliant little things :). That 206 did itself more than proud!, You need to give it a good send off :)
Reminds me video what I just seen recently on Facebook where the guy was driving Aston Martin and he couldn't shake off from little 206 😅...
Peugeots are absolutely brilliant cars for the money. Even if something goes wrong it's really cheap to fix / replace. So nice one little Peugeot 😃👍
try to do a cash build of the peugebro . those cars are a great deal of fun , especially in europe
"delayed parts from La France!"
Find a 3,0 V6 Peugeot front end, and stick it in the rear of the 206, center engine that are very tunable, fix the gearing with lower tires, and remove all flex bushings from the anti roll bar, making it stiffer, there's so much more to do, for little, or no money, what about side rails out of alu, for the seat, i like the challenge of no or little money, much better than just buying stuff. Build over bought, everyday.
Peugbro!!! 🔥👏🏽
I was so invested to this series and ho my god I was shook. what a result! excited to see the next series you do.
This has been my favourite series you guys have done for a while. Hope to see more like this! Also Let's Go Team PeugBro!
Excellent series, thankyou! Just seen a Swift Sport for sale down the road for £2400, never considered one as a cheap track car but now it looks like im going to have to convince the wife!
Come back from a Macca's run, and there's the Cash Vs Trash finale. I'm Lovin It.
Just not the one where that dude shat his pants at.
Anytime I hear the OG music in the background, I am so instantly happy. Thank you both for your years of amazing content.
The Peugeot has a lot more left in it, even on a budget build but you’d need to spend more time on forums and hunting parts. Peugeots are like Lego, a lot of parts from bigger cars will fit. A shorter diff is an easy swap, etc…
They were in France two days ago (maybe still are), hopefully for some parts hunting !!!
Finally, the finale. I skipped the previous vids as you always get what you pay for. Also I did go the trash route with my 205.
Ironically they proved that sometimes you don’t get what you pay for.
Pug for the win
Pretty much setting up the Peugbro to fail....but we'll see I suppose (written before track battle).
10 minutes in.....yeah, pretty much as I suspected.
19:47 in.....yey Peugbro! 😂
I had a 206cc once, the cutest funnest convertible ever, with the GTI motor in it.....brilliant little car! Handled like it was on rails.
you guy's are amazing great content keep it going people
Well done to the Peugbro ❤❤ A fantastic series from start to finish.
I love the series but you wanted to see which is faster with upgrades but you didn’t use all the adjustability, instead matching the trash suspension. So what’s the point spending more you aren’t going to use it ?
What would we have adjusted?
Loved this series! Though I’m not convinced you found the sheer joy of racing the Kei cars in Japan like you originally set out to find ❤
Loving this series!
For $25k you could build a badass Golf, Civic or WRX. For 9k you could still build a pretty decent civic.
You should race the turbo Camery and K swapped civic
24 seconds of freedom into this episode and I'm already clicking "like" while laughing!
Peugeot is screaming for a turbo, cooling and brakes, great series guys!
Now imagine with an S16/GTI or even a RC/GTI 180 🤣
Stripping the Swift like the 206 would've made that difference back. A fiberglass/carbon bonnet would've been in-keeping with the cash theme too.
MCM doing shitboxes is the most fun. Loved this series!
I think the cage held back the swift but I know it was necessary for the bride seats so it's forgivable. I don't see why the suspension was not set up to its full potential, I mean that's the whole point of spending the money although I'm not sure it would've affected the outcome. Good series, can't wait to see what happens with the swift.
I love moogs when he looses a battle. His looks like he’s about to cry. I have great respect for Marty restraint in not laughing in Moogs face! 😂❤
I called the Peugeot winning from the off!! 😂😂 Would have been an absolute cake walk if a better french hatch was chosen too, or even the 206 GTI... Great videos boys, absolutely loved them as per 👌
Bit of a strange thing to say? Would it alsi have been a cakewalk if Moog had bought a more powerful Japanese hatchback?
@@ferrumignis i just meant they got an absolutely bottom end french hatch as opposed to something more capable out the box from the french offerings... They could have got a 106 gti or saxo VTS which is still a 1.6 litre, 120ish bhp, similar in size etc and it would have SMOKED the swifty if the 206 did 😂
@@VersionOneUK They couldn't have got either of them since they were never imported into Australia. The 206 was the closest equivalent to the Swift they could find for reasonable money. This whole series has been a disappointing half assed mess tbh. Moog spent a bunch of money on mostly pointless crap, added weight and just threw on his new suspension with no setup. The engine tuning segment was an absolute joke.
The Peugeot sounds like my first tuned car. Focus mk1 st, completely emptied out, 300euro coilovers. Gives a hell of fun, cheap aswell.
Judging from Marty n Moogs reactions to the changes in their cars.
Seats + Tires seem to be the biggest bang for the buck in track-day performance.
Which makes sense, they are what control the two biggest variables.
Adhesion to the road, and confidence from the driver.
We need more cash VS trash.
I thought the swift had it in the bag so the result was a little surprising.
I also love how you guys kept if even and fair as much as you could between the two cars.
Awesome vid, the seat problem is a easy repair, the system that a allows the seat to move forward for someone to climb in is the problem just remove the little cable underneath that is connected to the side lever.
Pads and fluids are like the #1 thing to do for a track day. I honestly consider it a safety thing. Some Motul 650 and stoptech sport pads are cheap and easy peace of mind for beginners.
Totally loved this series. Well done. Been there since the beginning on the driveway.
Usually one of the first mods I do to any of my cars is upgrade the brakes. I feel like for a street car the brakes are usually the weakest link in terms of track performance. I’m surprised they were never brought up before the actual track battle.
Not a bad time. My 500hp BMW did a 56.1 at Luddenham. Admittedly was my first ever track day. On cooked tyres.
Where did the smoke and CEL for the Swift come from? Excellent work Moog and Marty & Co who helped along the way. Love to see more of these nugget battles series. Plenty of overlooked budget daily cars with potential. Next if you guys could get a Proton Satria GTI and work on it. Cheers.
Best part of the Swift build is the matching race suit!!! Bloody hilarious. Nice finally boys!
Oof. Spending $25k on modding a Suzuki Swift and then getting chopped by the Pugebro... can't deny the style of those sick Bride seats though. Loved the series. Maybe do a cash vs trash on power adds next time?
I hadn't even considered the PeugBro taking this. Well done. Genuinely surprised. Quelle surprise!! Spend a minimal few more and flush the brake fluid with DOT 4. If I remember right, it's compatible with DOT 3 but higher boiling point. To all the PeugBros and other car enthusiasts, do not use DOT 5. Completely different racing stuff.
I would have went all in the alignment, that's the point of the more expensive parts, you can tune them far more. Great video as always either way.
Great channel guys, really loved the cash vs trash series.
Does your suspension guru Andre know of anyone in melbourne who can weave the same magic?
Cool series. Would have been nice to see two of the same cars with cash and trash. 😎
Both got check engine lights en brake fading, mayb next time put some cash in the engine/cooling/brakes 🤣😋 Loved the series!
Marty's Peugebro weight reduction was likely the biggest gain. Weight, tires and suspension makes the greatest difference around a track.
Moog will win in the long run though. A good platform for further modding
I'm honestly in love with the Banana. I love the swift and am still hoping Suzuki comes back to the States. But im pleasantly surprised with the outcome. I want to see something to showcase what the puegbro is great at, and I would love to see the swift grow. Looking forward to the future episodes!
The glimpses Moog's helmet design in the rear view mirror make it look like he is wearing a weird cowboy hat. Love your work guys!
Fantastic video and series.
I’d love for you both to try a real Peugeot 206 RC or whatever they are called in Australia.
Thank you for sharing, I loved it 😂 I had a good giggle. By the way that porches was struggling to pass you I recon.
I have been amateur racing for years. To hear’ Seat and Tyres ‘ is absolutely correct.
Love the series. And every episode of this series. But big shout to the both of you. And love the humbleness of Marty. Ps you would have that problem
With a Honda 😅 just saying. Greetings all the way from Boston Massachusetts and hope you guys can do a meet and greet in the near future.
That was amazing! I would definitely buy the Suzuki first and would not pour 18k into it or anything. The buy good tires and send it is really the best way to improve the biggest factor the driver's skill