PMDG 737 Holding Tutorial by a Real 737 Pilot
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2017
- Holding! The most confusing part for any fledgling Instrument Pilot but thankfully in the 737-800 it’s easy because it does it all for you!
In this tutorial I will give you some basic information about holding procedures and how we can use the FMC in the PMDG NGX to program and execute a holding pattern. As we approach Stansted (EGSS) from the East we will enter the IAF for ILS 22 at ABBOT and enter the published hold prior to flying the approach. Entering the hold, I will show you all the information available in the FMC!
THIS TUTORIAL IS NOT TO BE USED FOR REAL WORLD FLIGHT TRAINING.
Any questions feel free to ask!
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All guidance in my tutorials are based on operating procedures from a real operator. I have almost 4000 hours on the 737-800 (The real one) and I'm also a full-time Type Rating Instructor for my operator working in a full motion Level D simulator.
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All information provided is based on SOP’s and Boeing manuals but purely for entertainment/flight simulation purposes only.
If you happen to be an Airline Pilot in training or a curious operator firstly thanks for watching! Secondly make sure you consult your operators approved training material ONLY.
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Addons Used:
FSX Steam Edition
PMDG 737 NGX
FSX Active Sky Next
REX 4 Texture Direct
EZdok Version 2 
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As always, concise and very useful tutorial. This is the kind of information you'll never forget. Thank you very much.
Awesome, glad you enjoyed it! Thanks a lot Ivan!
FD2S.
Excellent tutorial. Clearest and most concise I've seen to date. I appreciate how you popped out the MCD screens and displayed charts so I could see exactly what you were talking about.
Man, you're my hero on RUclips. I do actually learned some things wrongly watching even experienced simmers doing some mistakes. Your pace is fast, but if someone does know more or less the basics, it's actually easy to follow (just pause and rewind as required). I'm just studying for my PPL, but flying the pmdg as leisure. Keep the good work! If ever you setup some sort patreon or donation, I would contribute!
Hi Seb, I wouldn't call myself a hero!
Just enjoy sharing what it's like behind that closed door and to give a bit of an insight to how it's done at one operator
This channel will always revolve around the 737 but there might be some content looking at GA, IR, what ever people might want!
Thank You for your kind words!
FD2S.
Exactly what I was looking for; thank you so much!
This is the most informative, concise, and useful channel I have found out there about the NGX. It's take a lot of effort and perfect skills to explain professional stuff to amateur enthusiasts. Well done and thank you. I hop you do once a video about the Radio panel in the NGX. IT's so confusing sometimes.
Thanks a lot Bashar,
Not something I'm planning on yet but something I could cover in the future!
FD2S
Another excellent tutorial. I am soon to start my commercial 737 simulator instructor course. All your videos have helped immensely. Keep up the good work.
Hi nemisis34, good luck and I'm glad my tutorials helped!
FD2S.
Great Video! The best FMC tutorial in the web. Thank you very much!!!
Again very informative. Thanks for sharing.
Excellent tutorial as always
Thank you
Ross
Cheers Ross!
FD2S.
I really appreciate your time and effort. These video's have been a huge help.
Thanks Steven!
FD2S
Thank you so much that was explained beautifully-thank you for sharing-please keep the good beautiful work -you are greatly appreciated.
Great tutorial. All my questions have been answered. Thank you very much.
Appreciate it Apple 801, thanks!
FD2S
Thanks for making excellent content that enthousiastic simmers like me can use, keep it up!
You're most welcome Milford Sound, enjoy!
FD2S.
Thank you! Looks a lot simpler than I expected.
It's easy once you know how!
FD2S
Thanks for your tutorial, very helpful, and I especially like the comments about how the FMC does or does not behave like the real one. I trust PMDG did the best they could but there are obviously simism as we call them at my work.
Hi Ram,
PMDG, for what is essentially an entertainment product, is a study level standard product and incredibly realistic. It of course has "simisms" but so do the real world procedural trainers. You really need a Level D sim (and a few million in the bank to buy one) to match the real aircraft!
FD2S.
Thank you very much for your amazing tutorials sir!
You're welcome 702Wofi,
Safe Landings!
FD2S.
thank you very much for explaining the hold procedure!
You're welcome Dutch Challenge!
FD2S.
Excellent - easier than I thought it would be!
Like everything, it's easy once you know how!
FD2S
Thank you. That was very useful information!
Thanks a lot Jos, glad you found it useful!
FD2S.
Another superb tutorial . Thank you.
Thanks Flight Nut!
FD2S.
Just what i was looking for and Stansted is my local Airport thank you
Hi Roy! Thank you and welcome to the channel 👋
FD2S
Awesome Tutorial thank you so much!
Thanks Oernzen and you're most welcome!
sir wonderfull every tutorial is full information thanks
You’re welcome awan!
FD2S
Great videos! :) Any chance of an NDB approach tutorial? :)
Hi Chris!
Check out my NPA tutorial in my Approach Playlist, you can use the same technique to fly an NDB approach!
ruclips.net/video/qMYzXB6nb_I/видео.html
FD2S
Another quality video... some real life advanced CDU/FMC techniques would be appreciated
Thanks a lot!
You're probably aware but I uploaded a tutorial last month showing you some useful techniques for the FMC!
ruclips.net/video/jToPSTPYAmg/видео.html
Hopefully you'll find it useful!
FD2S
flightdeck2sim I did thanks but there is just so much to learn and I'd enjoy a few tutorials on advanced FMC techniques on custom waypoints,ATO PBD, fixes, use of radials climb/descent pages etc !
Thanks FD2S!
thanks again!
Hello capt, thank you for your great videos. Would you kindly make one tutorial about waypoint creation, let’s say you’ve been instructed to make a hold at a specific way point and you just find that you have bad weather there, in that case you have to hold on a different radial from a different Navaid or way point. Thank you captain
thanks!
Great !! I wish to be student, get trained on 737 specifically and join an airline .. :) .. Great video .. God bless u !
Thanks a lot Kk,
FD2S.
Thanks so much FD2S!! Great video!!!
I have a question regarding the N1 Set and SPD REF knobs above the upper engine displays. When/Why would you use those? Thanks again for sharing your wealth of knowledge.
Hi RAJAT, thanks!
In the event of an FMC failure we can use the N1 and Speed Ref Knobs to set N1, gross weight and all the applicable speeds, this information comes from the FMC usually!
FD2S.
Great tutorial, as always. I have been trying to learn the holding technique in the PMDG737NGXu and replicate the Abbot hold into EGSS. I note that you joined the hold at Abbot at FL060 which is the planned approach altitude for that waypoint. However the chart now shows an MHA of FL080 for the Abbot hold and is a constraint in the FMC that I cant of course change. If I enter the hold at this higher altitude I am really struggling to lose the height to intercept the glideslope at the FAF when I come out of the hold. What am I doing wrong and any tips please? Thanks.
Another procedure i can now practice more confidently while i sim, Thanks so much! ;) Also, i really like that sun texture you're using! Could you share a link?
Hi ThereYouGo182, glad I could help!
I'm using REX 4 Texture Direct for FSX Steam if that is any help!
FD2S.
I was just wondering if there is a way to change the radius of the turn to make it a wider turn for example. TY
Thank you so much for this tutorial! I do have a question, I am flying with the Zibo mod and I am practicing holding patterns while descending following a STAR. My question is when exiting the hold, I press exit hold and then Zibo maintains the speed that it had during the holding, which makes the remaining of the descend pretty slow. How do I proceed to accelerate again if I want to keep VNAV on? Or do I need to press spd intv and control the speed myself for the remaining of the descend? Thank you for your help and I hope the question is not too confusing!
Hi Flightdeck2sim. Could make video for arrivel requaring to enter to the holding pattern at the airport. For example EVRA where is the last point of STAR is VOR and the should enter to holding and then to ILS.
At 05:40 when the turn for the outbound leg started, I see that the plane used a 30 degree bank angle and kept it for the rest of the turn. Would that normally happen in reality as well? Or is it a PMDG thing? ICAO suggests that the bank angle is 25 degrees and you've entered the holding 10 knots slower than the max IAS of 230 for that altitude. So it's quite surprising to use 30 degrees *and* overshoot the plotted racetrack as you've noted. 🙂
Great video!! Also I have a question: If you are given a descent clearance in a holding, do you use VNAV or what mode do you use?
depends the aircraft a full FMC/FMGC will calculate it for you so you might stay VNAV. In my time before these full systems it was a vertical speed setting, normally about -1000ft per min. Our company policy was to also do a quick mental calc to check. FD2S can confirm or otherwise.
So is the EFC time supposed to indicate when you exit the hold upon reaching the fix, or just when the hold is cancelled regardless of where the aircraft is?
Simm bem pertinho! Inevitavelmente entra em holding? E por isso os 40 min??
Thanks for the great videos. What are you using to move around the camera on the flight deck.?
Hi Heath, thanks!
It's called EZDOK, it's a useful utility which allows me to pan using the mouse and adds some realistic shaking and turbulence affects too!
FD2S.
thanks some charts show this distance in hold
Once again, thank you for an amazing tutorial sir! I was wondering would you do an turn around tutorial? I gernally land the plane and want to take off back but I dont know the correct procedure. For example, does the APU stay on etc
+ItsRageYT what a great idea! Something I hadn't considered and no doubt people would like to know how is done!
FD2S
Thank you very much sir, I appreciate all the work you put in to these videos. Maybe one day you will do another full flight with parts will be amazing :) A short one will be better of course for you :D also if you can add a part where you pretend that there is ATC and they are vectoring you where you update the FMC and do the best VNAV approach as well so we can have perfect CDA :)
Would be good actually :) I’m guessing it all depends on how long the turn around will be and whether ground power will be available or not after all no point burning up fuel with the APU unnecessarily
ItsRageYT I'll try and incorporate a turnaround into a tutorial soon, perhaps joining me at the beginning of the Approach so I can squeeze in a CDA. Quiet busy at the moment but request has not been forgotten!
FD2S
Hi Kieran,
We always (if available) get a GPU so we can shut off the APU during the turnaround, more due to punitive noise fines then saving fuel!
FD2S
How often do you have to fly holdings in realworld? Is it very common? Thank you very much for another great Video.
Hi K.S. Flightsim.
It's not terribly common but it really depends what the weather is like, where you're going and and what time you go! In Europe, even at major international airports you can at certain times get straight in or perhaps they space out you out with delaying vectors. They'll start holding when they can't get everyone in sequentially or there are too many aircraft for the radar controller to manage.
FD2S.
Great video again! Thanks! Just a quick question still. What are the procedures with multiple aircrafts in the same holding. Do they have 1000ft separation? And are they stacked up in a way that the lowest one automatically exit?
Hi andrevdw747, exactly as you explained and that is the usual master plan from ATC!
FD2S
flightdeck2sim Hi FD2S, Thanks Again! Very usefull!
Just tried to fly a holding pattern. All things set, flying to the waypoint but can't enable hold. When i select course or leg it state "Invalid Entry" all the time. Flying xplane with ZIBO 737...thanks for any tip
hmm, without seeing not too sure. Push HOLD, simply select the WPT you wish to hold at and EXEC. When you reach that WPT it should start holding.
FD2S
flightdeck2sim thanks for your reply again👍🏻. Yes that’s what i did. Because i saw that vnav couldn’t be enabled as well, I think that i did do something wrong in the setup of the fmc in the first place with the startup. Will figure it out and try again with normal flight.
Really great videos. I love it and enjoy it!! Thanks for that! From LEBL!😉😋👍🏼
The other day I tried to hold a VOR on my route but I had already passed the VOR, so I did not know how to get back to the VOR / point and do the hold. can you help me? it's in fmc RTE, LEGS, HOLD, ...? Thanks!
Hi Francesc.
Unlikely you'd ever be told to hold to a point behind you. If you wish to select HOLD, enter the WPT and execute then route direct to the WPT on the legs page.
FD2S
@@flightdeck2sim yes, unlikely, but just when I passed under the VOR the ATC instruction me to hold on this VOR for Mayday in airport (I am in CDP(Palma Mallorca) and doing approach to IAF, that's is this CDP) for that reason when I reply instructions just I passed the VOR.
Thanks, I appreciate your time.
Just going through a few of the tutorials as a refresher, but can’t find the one you did not so long ago on Noise Abatement Departures.
Hi Chris!
Here’s the link! - ruclips.net/video/EnpK42MlolQ/видео.html
If you type “flightdeck2sim then the topic, I’m this case “noise abatement” it is usually the top hit!
Cheers!
FD2S
@@flightdeck2sim Hi Chris ! Now you’ve got me thinking.....
If in this example you had just overflown ABBOT and had just begun your right turn, and you were told you could exit the hold, could you sneakily veer left back onto the BKY 087 radial or would have have to go all the way round the loop again?
Hi Chris!
Technically you should go round but in reality when exiting a hold ATC typically put you on a radar vectored heading or just advise you to route direct to WPT "X"
FD2S
Can you please do a holding entry tutorial on the zibo model? I found the zibo isn't flying the parallel entry correctly or I just messed up my fmc set up
Hi Poii.
I haven't tested in a while but the MOD should hold correctly, I've made a note to take a look and I'll let ZIBO know if there is an issue! Thanks!
FD2S
Hello,
If ATC for instance gives you an expected time in the hold/delay, e.g. 5 minutes. Should you adjust the holding legs time so that you will complete one lap after 5 minutes (or whatever time is given), even though a default holding is usually 4 min, and each leg 1 min?
Or if a time less than 4 minutes is given by ATC, should you fly shorter legs to make one lap in the time given?
Or should the holding always be flown exactly as published, and if a potential delay time is given, it's only for information?
Thanks
Hi LevelMind.
When holding you’re usually given an expected approach time. You don’t alter the published holding procedure.
Holding can be cancelled at anytime and you’re usually radar vectored or told after passing the beacon to route direct to a certain WPT.
FD2S
What camera program are you using that has that head tilting movement when you enter the turn?
Hi luckyleaf6
A handy utility called EZDOK V2.
FD2S
lets say you have an emergency and you want to hold at a specific VOR/beacon. The Tower says cleared to hold VOR radial 360. Does that mean the inbound is 180? and outbound is 360?
Yes.
Hello. And what is quad/radial?
Hi Captain, Idk if you would see this comment but how about holds that dont give distance between inbound and outbound courses, what should we do next if thats the case?
Thank You
Follow ICAO standard rules,
1 minute up to FL140
1 1/2 minutes above FL140
FMC does it for you!
FD2S
Hi! Where can i find charts? Cheers.
Can we do this and any other Hold in the FMC of the Zibo 737 MOD??
Should work just fine!
FD2S
Hi flightdeck2sim, if atc gives you a "cleared visual approach" for a rwy would you still fly the published MAP for the same rwy ILS?
Hi UAV, great question!
We would liaise with ATC after being cleared a visual approach. We would simply ask what would they would like us to do in the event of a missed approach, typically straight ahead to the MSA but it could be identical to the MISAP of an existing approach to the runway!
FD2S.
thank you
Is the holding time on the FMC (0+40) in the video 40 mins of holding time?
Yes this is the amount of time you can hold before you start using your reserves,
FD2S
great tutorial, tonight I will do my first ever flight on Vatsim, and I am worried they will ask me to hold, now I know precisely what to do :-)
Aha! Good luck! Will try a tutorial on VATSIM at some point!
FD2S
How would you execute a hold where ATC instructs you to descend while holding eventually reaching the minimum and then exiting ?
Hi Kieran!
Two ways, if on vectors we would just simply use HDG SEL and update the FMC routing on the legs page.
Secondly you can use the "EXIT HOLD" function to exit via the waypoint you're holding at in the FMC, it will then route to the next en-route WPT.
FD2S
flightdeck2sim Ah cool :) so would you be put in a hold with other planes and for a while and have to descend to a lower altitude while staying in the holding pattern until eventually being told to exit the hold? Would it be a case of leaving the hold on the FMC and using vertical speed and altitude hold to punch in descents ?
Sort of! You are only "stacked" at really busy airports, you can be cleared for the Approach at any point. If you descend in the hold you would generally use V/S to descend as efficiently as possible, the aircraft would automatically transition to ALT HLD reaching the MCP cleared altitude.
FD2S
flightdeck2sim Cool thanks for the quick response recently discovered your videos they’re awesome, I use X-Plane 11 but even still extremely helpful!
Hi Everytime when i spawn i cant remove parkingbrake i try everything and when i spawn me engine gone off hope you can help me
I don't know how you got on a holding tutorial with a parking break question : I think the problem you are having is because you did not remove the chocks via the FMC. The reason and the solution is all explained in details in the introduction document from PMDG.
Thanks a lot Ram!
FD2S.
Apologies, found it hidden under a down arrow !
Do u use orbx
Hi FRD,
Just FSX Steam on my mediocre Laptop, nothing fancy! I will perhaps invest in a new PC. (I really don't know much about add-ons and things like that!)
FD2S
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leg dist 6nm, why?
Distance between BPK Holding Fix and Outbound End
FD2S
@@flightdeck2sim oh, i see this:26-20nm=6, ok, thx!
Is it possible with the NGX to simulate actual stacking, so you say enter Abott at 9000 then hold but get the aircraft to lower to 6000 while performing the hold pattern?
Hi Paul,
In the real aircraft you would just simply descend to a lower altitude when cleared by ATC, there is no stacking function per se!
FD2S.
Many thanks for that, I use a couple of pay ware atc programs and they only ever seem to have me hold at the lowest altitude rather than dropping down through the hold
Paul
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Thank you so much for this tutorial! I do have a question, I am flying with the Zibo mod and I am practicing holding patterns while descending following a STAR. My question is when exiting the hold, I press exit hold and then Zibo maintains the speed that it had during the holding, which makes the remaining of the descend pretty slow. How do I proceed to accelerate again if I want to keep VNAV on? Or do I need to press spd intv and control the speed myself for the remaining of the descend? Thank you for your help and I hope the question is not too confusing!
Hi Alrxandre!
VNAV isn’t a suitable mode whilst holding as it cannot really calculate an accurate path. If you’re descending it’s best to use V/S and set something like 1000fpm. Once you’ve been cleared to exit the hold update the FMC and then you can revert to VNAV 👍🏼
FD2S
Fantastic tutorial. Thanks! A question: have you been asked to perform a holding ascent or descent?
Thanks Wotao.
Yes it's very common to descend in a hold as you can be stacked on approach, very unusual to climb though!
FD2S.
Thanks for the answer!
I climbed in hold few times because climb performance was insufficient to overfly mountains nearby. Should't be problem with an airliner though.
Yeah. It makes a lot of sense to do.