PMDG 737 | NDB Approach Tutorial | Real 737 Pilot
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2017
- PMDG 737 NGX - NDB Approach Tutorial
The dreaded NDB Approach! Despite the technology being over 70 years old, they are still being used to this day! Thankfully on a modern aircraft like a 737-800 with a full Navigational and Approach database in its FMS, you can generate the required magenta line to follow, matching the inbound course and vertical profile precisely using LNAV and VNAV.
Join me in the hold at La Palma (GCLA/SPC) as we fly the NDB Approach for RW36, an approach which is offset by 14 degrees to the right of centreline due to terrain. This Approach has very high minima so if you’re not visual by 1600ft you must fly the missed approach procedure and immediately make a turn to the right to avoid terrain.
Thankfully it’s a beautiful day so I plan to disconnect at the minima and fly the last part with the A/P and A/T disconnected and lining up manually to land on the runway.
As ever if you have any questions feel free to ask!
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The aim of this channel is to provide realistic, informative and useful information to help you enhance your flight simulation experience by following me apply real world procedures.
All guidance in my tutorials are based on real world operating procedures, I have almost 4000 hours on the 737-800 (The real one) and I'm also a full-time Instructor working in a full motion Level D simulator.
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THIS TUTORIAL IS NOT TO BE USED FOR REAL WORLD FLIGHT TRAINING
All guidance is for Flight Simulation on your PC only. These videos are NOT for professional guidance or instruction but to provide an insight to commercial operations. You must only consult your approved training material/official guidance from your operator.
For enthusiasts, I am in no position to share/copy company material. All guidance is purely to enhance your home flight simulator experience. Any comments/view expressed are mine only.
If you happen to be an Airline Pilot in training or a curious operator firstly thanks for watching! Secondly PLEASE make sure you consult your operators approved training material ONLY.
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Addons Used:
FSX Steam Edition
PMDG 737 NGX
FSX Active Sky Next
REX 4 Texture Direct
EZdok Version 2
Canary Freeware Scenery - www.rikoooo.com/downloads/view... 
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Best tutorials on the internet hands down!
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@Lorenzo Jax Instablaster :)
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What a blessing your channel is to the sim community!
Thank you sir!
FD2S
I'm learning so much, as a new-ish flight simmer your videos are a huge help.
Absolutely brilliant! Technical, detailed, and peppered with so much useful information your vids can be watched again & again and you'll learn something new every time. Keep it up.
Awesome! Glad you enjoyed it! Just a little insight into what goes on behind that closed door!
FD2S
Enjoyed. Thanks for bringing videos like this to the community.
Absolutely the best tutorial for the NGX. I have learned something from each one. thanks so much
Thanks a lot Dominic, glad you enjoyed it!
After leaving the Mil world, I cut my teeth on an early 733 with a hybrid Analogue /EFIS suite and single FMC CDU.
I found NDB approaches were far more demanding without full EFIS but an excellent platform to grasp the fundamentals of Non-Directional work.
Nice presentation.
Thank you very much, I'm starting to learn new kind of approaches because my VA (Virtual Airline) has some interesting routes with airports without ILS and such stuff.
Thanks, great video appreciated. Also have experienced level off problem for missed approach altitude.
Remarkable tutorials. Adds a great deal of immersion and satisfaction to flying the PMDG 737NGX
Thanks Michael, glad you enjoyed it!
FD2S
I agree with Bruno!! good info well explained
Ross
Fantastic! A privilege to watch your videos Captain!
Hi Massimo, thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it 👍🏼
FD2S
Beautiful work! Thank you for sharing your expertise, a real treat!
Thanks a million!
FD2S
An absolute pleasure to watch and learn, thank you sir
Thanks Shaker Saleh!
FD2S
Another excellent video. Thanks so much for these, I could watch them all day!
Thanks a lot FightOrFlight! 👍🏼
FD2S
Keep it up!. You have been a tremendous help for me to fly more realistically; thank you!
Thanks Seb!
FD2S.
Great as usual! What I'd personally like to see in the future is the takeoff performance tutorial, assumed temp etc, using the EFB. Thanks and keep up the good work!
Hi HotDog12ist,
There will be a detailed tutorial covering this at some point!
My last Full Flight Tutorial from EGNX - EIDW briefly gave you an example of how we use the OPT to calculate take off performance at (15:54) you might find that interesting!
ruclips.net/video/UD-s5yXV13M/видео.html
FD2S.
Hi captain ! thanks for your tutorial ! It is great as usual ! I was wondering.. how do you identify that CQ36 in the CDU is the point at 16 DME from BV ? Thanks for your help ! Cheers
Informative tutorial, thanks captain!
Thank you very much for making excellent tutorials for us little simmers!!
+702Wolfi no problem and I used to be a simmer too you know!
FD2S
An honor to listen you... Just,...thank you Sir
Jay Les Boules the honour is all mine, thanks for watching!
FD2S
Really glad we met today!! Thanks and keep it up :)
mitos2a all the best buddy, good luck with your line training 👍🏼
BEST VIDEOS AROUND! KEEP IT UP!
Thanks ASPIRE PILOT!
FD2S
watching this in 2022 with the pmdg in msfs...wow have times changed, but the info is still valid lol! Cheers great tutorial
Hello student 101! Hahahaha! Nothing's changed, just an old school sim!
Just came across the channel. Great information and keep it up.
Cheers Darren, All the best!
FD2S.
Very good, i understood everything, but i would really like to know, how to make this „extended Centerline“?
I love these tutorials and they're by a real pilot too so you know that what we're being shown is how to perform these procedures properly in real life. By the way, what has been your most favourite or eye-catching approach in terms of beautiful scenery in your real flying career thus far? Many thanks FD2S.
Thank you Nunsweepit, Many destinations around the Alps have some spectacular approaches and views, I really enjoy island destinations too, the approach into Malta I always enjoy 👍🏼
FD2S
Great video once again as with all your videos. It greatly improves my simming experience in the ngx. Thanks
+Branko Markovic you're welcome! Thanks for your kind words!
FD2S
flightdeck2sim
Any chance on doing a visual circling approach like Samos (LGSM)? Id love to see how you would do those.
Sorry disregard just noticed you do have a visual approach tutorial which appears to be similar to a circling approach
The best videos ......i do learn from your videos...love them.......and love u as well....
Regards.
Your content is Amaaaaazing Captain keep up the good work = ) could you make a video that explains how to make an NDB approach step by step please?
Amazing video here! Perfect balance of entertaining and instructional.
Questions:
1) where did you get the chart
2) how did you get that little computer (sorry lol) there to work to program in the landing
Thank you much :)
*FMC lmao
And another approach learnt :) Thank you sir
You're most welcome, good luck!
FD2S
Perfect explanation, thank you very much.
You're welcome!
FD2S.
Pure education! Keep up the good work please.
Hi Gurer,
Thanks and welcome!
FD2S
Great video!
Thanks Ben!
FD2S
I so hoped you wouldn't do the coded/LNAV/VNAV approach but a more manual NDB approach.
Nice video! Fyi on La palma you have to go all the way down just like you did before making a 180 and backtrack to apron. Atc were not happy with us when we turned around too early:)
Whoops! Thankfully no virtual telling off in the tutorial!
FD2S
Been here since 300 subs
They just get better :-) Your narrative is clear and concise and makes for very easy listening.
What's your SOP for flame out and re-start and is it possible to simulate in the confines of this sim?
Hi Nigel, thanks! Practice makes perfect 👌🏼
With a flameout we would consult the engine failure and shutdown checklist. So long as we have N1 rotation and no airframe vibration from the failed engine we would attempt an in flight engine restart.
I've played around with the NGX and their engine failure option simulates severe damage (No N1 rotation). In this case we would consult the engine fire, severe damage or seperation checklist where a restart would not be attempted.
I will invest in some rudder pedals so I can do a realistic tutorial covering engine failures 👍🏼
FD2S
@ flightdeck2sim; I have tried it and wasn't very impressed. I work with these things and so know how they would react. Thought I might have missed something when I tried it though which is why I asked :-) Can't believe you are not using rudder pedals and your corrections in sim are realistic too. Impressive!!
thanks, good job!!!!!!!!!
Great vid, enjoying getting to grips with PMDG (and areosoft A319/A318). Any plans on doing failures videos or is that bad karma?
Thanks Michael and don't worry, we'll be looking at all sorts of non-normal scenarios in the future!
FD2S.
Top notch as usual, can I ask, when would you ask for clearance when setting up? As I use FS2Crew and ProATC I do it directly I enter the aircraft (ProATC gives me my RWY and SID) but what do you do in real life, does it differ with different SOP's?
Thanks again!
We would select the expected STAR/APP during pre-flight setup based on info from the flight plan. We would aim to have everything setup and briefed prior to TOD, allowing us to fully concentrate on the Descent, Approach and Landing. It can change at anytime, even last minute! We have to sometimes quickly setup and re-brief again.
FD2S
11:37 how did u get that green-like bar to disconnect the ap?
Which FSX program are you using? Steam or Deluxe?
Nice landing, popping that wheelie before turnoff was just showboating though! :D
+hateexmachina haha!! I noticed when I practiced the approach beforehand but didn't know it was going to that taxying over it! 😂
FD2S
18:57 "Welcome to La Palma, where the local time is 1327z"
1337 zulu... AHAHAHHAHAA
Many thanks again for the off-set approach. Is there recommended back-track speed on the runway? Your speed seemed about right at 30 knots (taxi at 20 knots apron at 10 knots). Or is just get off as fast as you can because something bigger than you is about to land on your head. I think landing at Gran Caneria can wait until I have had some more practice. Many thanks again.
(Company specific) we can taxi up to 50kts on an active runway when backtracking
FD2S
Hi great video! What do you think about the flight dynamics or flight behavor in hand flying , taxiing,take off and landing?
Would you call it close to the real thing and realistic as it gets for a deskop computer with good flight sim hardware?
Hi theRise100, thanks!
The NGX is a very accurate rendition of the real aircraft and certainly something I can use to improve my knowledge. With regards to handling there are some limitations as there is no feedback from the controls (the need to trim etc) but that's the same with all aircraft on a desktop simulator. The dynamics and how it behaves with certain configurations, attitude and thrust settings are pretty close to the real thing.
There are some subtle differences between the NGX and real aircraft which I always try to bring to your attention but the flight model is pretty sound.
Attitude and thrust settings for a given gross weight are not too far off the real aircraft but it’s not so good at holding the magenta line on SIDS/STARS and maintaining holding patterns. Sometimes it can struggle to hold altitude. For what is essentially an entertainment product it’s certainly worth the investment and it’s realistic enough to accurately show you how to operate it using my companies SOP’s
FD2S
Awesome as always! I'm starting my TR with your company in 5 months time ;-)
Hi Samuel, thanks a lot! Good luck with your TR, I might see you around!
It goes without saying PLEASE only consult your approved training material/official guidance. These videos are NOT for professional guidance or instruction but to provide an insight to commercial operations. In some cases I might be wrong/miss out some steps completely to allow it to work on a desktop simulator.
Take care!
FD2S.
flightdeck2sim noted ;) cheers.
All though I was always fascinated with the 737 and been simming for years..I can watch these videos all day! Thankyou for doing these..always learning.Although I do fly the 737-300 IXEG in XPLANE11 I can relate with most of what your doing and showing..but if you dont mind..can it be possible to slow down just a bit..Good stuff to be learned here! I have to keep on replaying to see what your doing..and why.. and then locate my needed instruments and trying to match up with yours..!
You cant beat this lesson learning..especially from actual 737 pilots..once again Thank you!
Hi James, thanks for your kind words!
These tutorials are designed for experienced users like yourself who want to take it to the next level.
I'm showing you how to apply real word procedures as both PF and PM and the operational impact of what I'm doing. This does requires constant instruction and narration when running in real life time, this can be difficult to understand without the required background knowledge!
I have toyed with the idea of pausing to explain points in more detail but I'd far rather let it run in real time (for realism) and allow the viewer to decide when to pause and make notes/playback anything I've said.
I have taken on similar feedback and you might notice with newer tutorials I have slowed everything down but it's difficult to find a pace to suit all!
All the best!
FD2S.
Well taken! Its all good in the end. Please keep them coming! Fly Safe!
do a landing in Madeira. thats is a rush.
I see you aircraft holding at ARACO，so why don't set altitude to 4500 ft instead of 5000 ft before go to CQ36？
Hi, first of all thanks for the video! Now I was wondering if you could maybe do a more "raw" NDB approach in the future like they have in some remote russian airfields where there are no VORs. I'm having trouble to understand how courses work with NDBs since they're not directional, but some charts have directions going off of NDBs.
Hi hsv45racing, hope you enjoyed it!
Planning on lying an "old school" NDB approach using HDG SEL and V/S, something we have to do when there is no approach in the FMC or if the Approach is not correctly coded 👍🏼
FD2S
Worst thing I've had to learn on the sim, ndb approaches using an adf. Horrible. Quicker they phase them out the better!
Could you please tell me the difference between NDB, RNAV and VOR approaches as I see that you are using LNAV/VNAV in all of them.
Don't you have far more important things to be doing Mr Trump!? Haha!
Non Precicion Approaches (VOR/NDB or any approach without vertical guidance) can be flown using LNAV and VNAV so long as the Approach is correctly coded in the FMC. This ensures both the lateral and vertical profile can be flown very accurately and we can use various scales and deviation alerts provided from the FMC.
Technically speaking we don't need to tune or use the NDB/VOR if we're using LNAV/VNAV but the appropriate equipment must be tuned , identified and referenced by the crew as a back up. We cannot accept the approach if the VOR/NDB/beacon is U/S.
An RNAV approach doesn't use ground based stations so you must use LNAV and VNAV.
If the approach is not coded in the FMC we would have to fly it using HDG SEL and V/S (a tutorial I will cover in the future)
On a modern aircraft like a 737-800 with a full navigation database in it's FMS almost all NPA's including RNAV are flown using LNAV and VNAV.
I hope this helped answer your query
FD2S.
This is the Funchal right?
Do you have any DMEarc tutorial for 737? It is possible to be programmed on FMC or should I make the arc approach using HDG SEL?
Hi ARI, I don't but it's something I could possible do in the future! It can be programmed in the FMC and if so you simply use LNAV.
FD2S
Hi! Great video as always! How about an ATC communication tutorial? :-)
Hi Fabi, thanks a lot.
Looking into using VATSIM or perhaps pre-recording some ATC and how we would react to any instructions.
FD2S.
flightdeck2sim
Would love that!
Sounds great! Looking very much forward to it :) Btw some real life ATC would be awesome. I think the VATSIM audio quality is relatively bad - IVAO should be better.
VATSIM is way more professional for that matter, and the audio is fine. IVAO audio is the same as you'd hear through a skype call, so it doesn't really mirror the real deal. IVAO is more like a multiplayer, VATSIM is better for as real as it gets simulation.
if you want really good audio quality, you can also use teamspeak
Been inspired after successfully doing your approach into la Palma to have a go at madeira 05 RNP Z05 AR (Navigraph). Rnav flies me into the cliff just before the runway. I thought at first it was a wrong setting of QNH but setting it too high or low makes no difference with active sky set on or off. Rnav on instruments is bang on the money though so I am confused!
Hi Le Aisha.
That Approach wasn't RNAV, just using LNAV and VNAV to fly an NDB Approach but still flown the same way!
Certain Approaches you have to disconnect and fly manually otherwise the magenta line might take you into terrain. I'm unfamiliar with Madeira and know it's challenging! I don't have the charts to hand. I should think the last part of the approach is flown visually.
Good Luck!
FD2S
thanks for reply. Yes I knew you were flying NDB app but wanted to combine a VNAV app with something notoriously difficult like Madeira and yes I flew into the ground. So why the big deal about VNAV being so accurate? The magenta line takes the curve and delivers you to the threshold on the CDU. My next try will be the NDB app. Will let you know how I got on. BTW - can I ask what yoke and rudder you use (if any) and what settings. Gonna be cross if you just use the keyboard! I've got 600 hours flying this jet and no way can I line up and land as good as you. That landing you apologised about in an earlier video would be a great landing by my standards lol
I love these tutorials because even though I've flown the NGX many times, it seems I always learn at least one new thing from watching. As for the NDB having an incorrect identifier, you can update the FSX nav data for free using the info found at www.aero.sors.fr/navaids3.html and it's updated each cycle. Pretty simple stuff if you'd like to be up-to-date for any upcoming stuff you might do!
Thanks Clorix and what a find for me! I'll update my database immediately!
FD2S.
Brilliant but I’d never wanna do one in real flight! 😅
One question. Why recycle the FDs? Why not keep them on for guidance? Also does recycling them change the flight dynamics of the PMDG?
Hi Dominic.
Recycling the F/D’s ensures correct G/A guidance in the event of a missed approach. Also F/D guidance below the MDA isn’t 100% accurate as you get close to the ground compared to an ILS, especially if it’s offset like on this approach. You don’t want to be following F/D’s if they’re not providing the correct information!!
FDDS
Why is it that the waypoints' name on the chart don't match the names on the FMC? How would I know which is which?
Good question, some WPT's do match by name but approach charts are usually referenced by FI/CI points. You have to step through the LEGS page making sure the distance between the points matches the chart
FD2S
Hi FD2S, (question not relating to this) on the descent forecast page in the CDU, what 3 altitudes would you use to forecast the winds on descent? I use PFPX with Active sky, and on my flightplan I am given 5 altitudes. I enter all 3 altitudes except cruise altitudes those below 10,000 (since I am speed restricted). However on the descent I find my aircraft exceeding the calculated descent speed, of which I am forced to use speed brake. Is this just the limitation of the sim, or is this a common occurrence in the real aircraft?
Hi EinkOLED,
We put the winds for FL300, 200 and 100.
Don't worry! It's a common occurrence in real life. Descending with VNAV PATH the aircraft will follow the descent profile only and your speed can fluctuate, you can add thrust manually with the A/T in ARM and use speedbrake or increase speed if high on profile.
Good luck!
FD2S
Thanks. I fly the NGX using flyinside on the oculus rift. It is pretty dam amazing as you get a sense of height, scale, speed and distance etc which is simply unachievable on a monitor or home cockpit. Flying the 737 NGX I can somewhat experience in a limiting way what it must be like for you guys sitting at the front. Such as the inability to see the horizon on climbout and the height of the nose upon touchdown.
EinkOLED cool! I've never tried VR, I'd love to give it a shot but i find EZDOK using the mouse to move around easy enough!
FD2S
Update your charts please, there is a speed breaker now on the runway.😄
ah! I thought I recognized that voice. Are you UK2 in NGX Reboot? UK1 checking in ;)
Hi FightorFlight!
That isn't me I'm afraid! I've not heard it!
FD2S
Do all real 737 pilots use PMDG and if so, is it for leisure or would they intergrate it into the day job in some way. For example, if you're aware of a route you'll be flying in several days, is it commonplace to go home and sim it. Would that make any kind of difference to flying it for real afterwards. Thanks
Hello again!
I wouldn't say it's the majority but quite a few do use it to practice various scenarios. I certainly used it to practice routes when I joined and then I stopped using it for the last 6 years, just occasionally when I had my own 6 month sim check.
When I became a Type Rating Instructor last year I started to use it again which is when I thought it would be quite cool to share some of the things I've learnt and flightdeck2sim was born!
The PMDG NGX really is a fantastic training tool and very similar to the real aircraft. It's certainly realistic enough to show you how to operate using our SOP's.
FD2S.
16:00 : Experimental catapult launch for civil airliners
How do you put in the range rings
Select a WPT on the FIX page and then /4 /10 etc. Good luck!
FD2S
Could you do more with atc and vatsim? That would be great
Hi Geflambeerde!
By far the most requested tutorial! I've never flown online but I'm planning on doing so! I'll be doing a short sector from A to B with all performance calculations, briefing and ATC matching exactly what a line crew would be doing 👍🏼
flightdeck2sim Thank you, i'm looking forward to it!
Geflambeerde I've got a few more tutorials lined up but will endeavour to make something at some point (extremely busy!)
As a retired ATController in the real world, IMO, VATSIM and other ATC programs are not very realistic. While aircraft simulation has improved by leaps and bounds, ATC simulation is pretty amateurish. That will hopefully improve in the future. Suggest that folks tune into live ATC online for their favorite airport/ACC
and accustom themselves to the local procedures and phraseology. It will soon all start to make sense and you will start to issue your own vectors, headings, altitudes etc. Try it, you might like it!
I agree the ATC on Vatsim can sometimes be quite amateurish but I suppose one has to remember that just like the sim pilots most people like to think of it only as a serious hobby and are probably glad that they are not dealing with the real thing . In the real world of ATC the communication is rapid which makes it hard for people unfamiliar with the phraseology.
On VATSIM I find that some controllers try too hard to emulate the speedy interaction of the professionals, which I don't have a problem with except for one thing.........the sometimes poor quality of the talk/receive channel which unfortunately is a product of the Internet. Cheap headsets contribute to the problem & I can be frustrated having to ask a controller to repeat a clearance by text because the info was too garbled. No doubt sometime in the future this will be remedied.
Where do you get the cards from?
CÉSAR CONSTANTÍ GALLART Pretty sure they’re from navigraph.
It kinda looks like the Madeira approach and airport
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DME arc tutorial please
Use LNAV! That's how we would do it everyday! I will be doing a complete raw data approach in the future, I'll find one with a DME ARC!
FD2S
Weird... If you look at the chart, when it tells you the DMEs from the NDB, it has the identifier of BV? Why is that? O.o
1:14
FD2S
Yes, but if you look in the chart itself, it also has a BV identifier (D19 BV, D18 BV, D16 BV etc.)
Ahh, nevermind... BV is the VOR.
Don’t you find that PMDG float a little bit too much?
Hi Josh,
There PMDG does feel a little "floaty" but the 737 does have a natural tendency to float if you're flying just a few knots above your target speed on final when initiating the Flare.
If you start "checking" and your speed is VREF or less the real aircraft will land quite firmly. This will also be the case if you reduce thrust too early, especially landing with Flap 40 due to the significant increase in drag.
Small inputs using a computer joystick would involve a far larger input using the control column so the tendency to flare using flight sim is greater. Both in real life and in the sim if you initiate the CHECK, CLOSE, HOLD correctly and the correct height/speed it will settle quite nicely within the touchdown zone.
I don't know if you have seen but my "Landing Technique" tutorial goes into some detail!
ruclips.net/video/6qnriMfIbEE/видео.html
Hope that helped to answer your query!
FD2S
That looks a lot easier compared to flying the approach in an analogue GA aircraft
Yes most approaches where the FMC is used for course/lateral path tracking (VOR/RNAV/NDB/VISUAL etc..) are technically overlay approaches and we use LNAV/VNAV to fly them. We still have to tune the applicable navigation aids and monitor it throughout the approach, in this case non required for a visual!
FD2S
Most planes don't even have ADF receivers anymore.
WackyBroProductions yeah it's only an option on the shiny new Boeings (747-8 and 787) but still standard in the -800! We don't actually use it, it's only there for a backup using LNAV and VNAV!
FD2S
In the states they stopped repairing NDB stations as the break. So they sorta phase themselves out.
Nice videos. However, for my taste more voice volume, less engine noise would be okay.
Thanks Flying Pauls,
Point noted, I'm constantly tweaking and editing and trying to find a nice balance!
FD2S.
WHO are the muppets who downvoted this?