Mercedes eSprinter Highway Range Test! This Electric Van Could Actually Work For You
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- Опубликовано: 6 июл 2024
- Kyle heads out on our Out of Spec 70-MPH Highway Range Test in the Mercedes eSprinter with the 113kWh LFP battery pack in the 170" / high roof configuration
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FYI, the market for this is delivery vans, plumbers, electrician, etc. Most delivery vans do like 80-100km/day. Most trades people spend their day working, not driving. These vans will be charged on L2 at night for peanuts and will have more than enough range. This is exactly what the market needs. There is more to the world than races to vegas.
Exactly. And VW should do an I.D.Buzz panel van for the little guy; would sell like hotcakes.
You can buy the id buzz as a panel van in Europe. I se them daily in Sweden
@@TheRealYaro ID. Buzz Cargo exists already in Europe. Depends in wich part of the world you live, if you get it atm or next year in other markets (i guess).
@@TheRealYaro It would sell poorly in America. American tradesmen aren't going to be caught dead in an ID Buzz. Even if it's built in the USA. Sure, it makes sense on paper, but your average blue collar company isn't going to be buying a fleet of VWs anytime soon.
@@user-ow8mf5uo1v You understand that you are talking about an incredibly fringe application, right? That's not how it is in Europe, Asia, or even most of North American population centres. It's ok to disagree because your very specific application is different, but you are still wrong about what the market for these is.
I've always known the phrase, "you're dumber than a box of rocks", but I don't think I've ever really seen an actual box of rocks. 😂
😂😂😂😂
Cybertruck owners have got to be jealous of that rear view mirror
And Polestar 4 and Volvo EFZ and Mercedes Actros and BYD Bus and Ford Transit and and and
I guess you never heard of those, ey mate?
Highly highly doubt it 😂😂😂😂😂
I am lol!
Mirrors suck range, rear view cameras do not. DOT can't get them approved fast enough, lame!
@@glike2 dude, the rearview mirror...inside the car. 😂
100% need an EV Van race to vegas 😂😂 4 hour video easily and I'd watch the whole thing
Yes, EV van makers really need to understand long range is needed. It also translates into additional power tool use time when used in the trades.
the charging stops will be brutal 😅
Not a road trip but a pick up of some heavy load, the leaders in the race on the way back will see others going to the pick up point.
@@ekaa.3189 They do but physics is not their friend.
@@buddy1155 Pickup a couple pallets of beer, and deliver then to CO... Unfortunately that would have some legal headaches given the lack of commercial rated drivers. Even pallets of rocks could be considered commercial loads.
Kyle, I’ve run into lots of EV van sceptics who assert that the range drops to 75 miles with cargo onboard .
How about a range test with 500kg onboard and with 1000kg / 1 ton onboard ?
Then you’ve got numbers for prospective buyers who know what weight they’re carrying and they can see for themselves if it’s practical or not …
Nobody buying a van for work will drive around with it empty … even the ‘van life’ people will have 200-300kg of furniture, fittings and appliances in the back…
Weight doesn't really make much difference vs air drag. Air drag will kill it super quick.
21:11 you should give a moment of silence when doing the acceleration onto the freeway so we can hear that silent drivetrain and not have talking over it 😆.
Please give electricity/fuel cost numbers comparing vs ICE version (for 100miles). It would be nice to show people how good electric vans are in the city
Mercedes Sprinter Urban 26,9-36,2 mpg
E-Sprinter 2,4mi/kWh = 80 mpge
If you charge in California and fill your Diesel tank in Mississippi the cost would be about the same.
Every State and country vary so wildly in cost for electricity and fuel. It would be impossible to do.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 i live in CA and my rate is $.13c per kWh. So to fill up the eSprinter would cost me $14.69 .... what is the cost of diesel in MS?
@@TeslaSpaceX According to Google 3.27 US$. Here in Europe it would be about 30 cent/kWh SuC - 48 cent/kWh and 1.9 US$ per LITER! That is 7.22 US$ per gallon.
@@TeslaSpaceX I consulted the spreadsheet of all 800+ pilot / flying j locations and in Meridian, MS @ Pilot Travel Center #1203
it is $3.499. The cheapest is in La Porte, TX @ $3.359 and tied for 2nd are Rapid City, SD; Brighton, CO; Strafford, MO @ $3.399.
For electricity reference here in Kansas City under the max differential time of use rate tariff for summer we pay:
Customer Charge $12
Summer On-peak (4-8 pm M-F) $0.36283
Summer Super off Peak (12a-6a) $0.03394
Summer Off-Peak (rest) $0.12364
Kansas City Franchise Fee: 6.382%
To charge the eSprinter overnight here would cost $4.08 + pro rata portion of customer charge.
Honestly super excited to start seeing ev van life conversions
We need to start seeing those huge ass vans with super range like the GM Silverado EV.
2 layers of battery on the floor. 400+ miles range 😍 . Lots of solar panels around the van.
Great video, and I like the 70 mph test for consistency with other vehicles. It seems a 65 mph or even 60 mph test would be more appropriate for your target audience, as I imagine most people are interested in using it as an RV, and in that use case, range will be more important than speed for cross country travel, and especially camping at max distance from a charging station.
I would think most people are interested in using it as a work vehicle. Far more cargo vans are sold as *CARGO* vans than as RVs. (Delivery vehicles, work trucks holding tools/equipment, etc.)
I don't know if you've ever driven out where he's at, if you were going 60 on the highway you would get run straight off the road.
@@otm646no you do not get run over because I never drive 70 mph!
actual Amazon Number- Ft Worth - Rivian 181 summer, 143 Winter , Transit 133 summer, no winter yet, eSprinter 161 summer, 118 winter. Ford Transit Cargo (Non-EV) 396 summer, 361 winter (idle time). In short, if you want to run a fleet, you will need two (2) EVs for every one (1) Diesel . Also add a driver.
This could haul SO much more than any of the pickups on the market. Imagine if it had even bigger battery options and 2nd or 3rd row seating options. Epic road tripping for people with lots of kids, friends and/or stuff.
This just got in the list of my dream vehicle ultimate one
I agree, Mercedes makes many fine vehicles, but the Sprinter is, by far, consistently the best thing they make.
I would want a little more battery, and a second motor in the front, but this is in the ballpark. Oh, and the NACS port.
Great video! What a time to be alive! I’d love to van life this thing.
Great video as always!
Seeing Supercharger support is coming the some of their cars, when will the eSprinter get Supercharger support?
Thank you...really enjoyed this video. Looks like so much fun to drive..
My first camper is coming to me on 15 July due to a delay at the Wheelhome factory. My vehicle is a Vauxhall Combo Life Electric with the Vikenze III-e conversion.
39:17 40:05 that glitch in the matrix tho
Deja vu
Just got there and came to the comments to make sure I'm not seeing things or too many cervezas in....
The Combo Life Electric gives a full battery range of 175 miles, but it’s now available with a larger battery that will give 250 miles of battery range.
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Thanks. We had a class C motorhome, on a 1993 Chevy chassis that had a small V8 engine that had limited torque. I hated its fridge! We sold it when our kids grew out of going RVing with us. Plus, the maintenance was annoying. Worse, the silly rubber membrane roof kept leaking. What a terrible roof material to use! Anyways, having having a class B-C electric motorhome on this Mercedes electric chassis would be like heaven, apart from the price, of course. 😂 lots of love to all.❤❤❤
I really like how thorough you are in your videos 🙂
Love the rear view camera , cool video 😊
The use case for a long wheelbase high ceiling can is almost certainly deliveries. That's where the electric efficiency shines.
Forget the highway range test, if this thing catches on it's giving to halve the non-labor operational cost of delivery, possibly.
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Please, please bright drop information as soon as it’s available for us private individuals in the meantime yes keep us up-to-date on range test and what it does because as you say that much bigger battery that’s crucial for those of us that need it so thank you for the update. Thank you for the sprinter information and looking forward to the updated transit test as well but for sure, the bright drop test!
Yes, do the BrightDrop van. And please, ask if they will ever sell it in Europe. That should be good for a campervan with the huge battery
This is the range test I was looking forward to. Using lighter weight materials this could be a great van lifer. Driving a little slower would help the range.
Great video Kyle
It will come in handy for moving house soon! :)
I'd live in this thing.
Did you just leave poor Alyssa in the back while you drive 😂
Super cool van
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RACE TO VEGAS VAN LIFE!!
There was definitely a deja vu moment there😂
Definitely think it would be good to focus on how businesses will use this van. If anyone you know has a fleet of these get how much weight a build out is and see if you can test the use case. Also curious if you could charge it in a lunch break if you somehow depleted it before mid-day! Does it have any inverter options other than a 12/16v for charging power tools?
Wow the efficiency is amazing even with that massive frontal area, definitely over my guess.
Cheers Kyle
Agree. BMW i4 RWD has very impressive regen.
Heck yeah for a van race to Vegas!!!!!!!!!!!
I assume you are doing your zero to 100% charge test starting at the end of this video, looking forward to the results! Also, I hope you have time to do the 10% challenge with it :)
This would make a great RV van
ROFL 12:00 I was just sitting thinking that I'd like to see under the van if there are any room there. 🤣
Is there any way to get AC to the back or is that something you would have to add if it had a sliding door behind the seats if you were loading it with plants you would want to keep it relatively cool
One would put a separate cooling system in the back. Add some insulation too. Many companies will do that sort of upfitting.
Sprinter has the advantage of a ton of up-fit stuff that is designed for the Sprinter van box.
Did you know that Ford has brought out an electric Transit Custom? I hope that the camper converters take it on rather than leaving it on the forecourt!!
@Madonsteamrailways As far as I know, the Transit Custom is not available in North America.
I upgraded my fuel tank to the S&B 47 gallon tank and can go 700+ miles. When electric can take me that far on a charge then I would be interested.
Need chevy to do a 220kw pack. Get about 300-350 miles. I need a min of 300 miles to get rid of my pro master 2500 cargo van. Gotta have extra buffer for winter range, wind etc
I would love to get this van, but as a carpet cleaner, I need a van with a bigger payload. Water is heavy and would eat that payload up. It would be nice to see a 3500 with 3500- 4k payload. Also, installing the actual equipment would be interesting as bolting to the floor may not be feasible. I would like to see the new upgraded etransit put through the wringer.
21:20 - I'm pretty sure the motor sound is not noticeable due to the fact that the rear motor is pretty far from the driver's cab. That wall also helps.
Please do a van life comparison!
Even I admit that the Sprinter is a great van, but I wouldn’t have one!! I don’t like the idea of having to park such a large vehicle, but I want something in which I can spend my holidays!!
This will be my retirement home :)
@@viewviewview1236 build superduper washroom nothing else 😂
you could buy an acre, tiny house and a corolla for the same price.
@@howlinhauler i know mate but a moving home just to see the world but nothing like a house :)
@@viewviewview1236in the black water holding tank!
I believe that in some global markets, the higher capacity chargers cost more in taxes.
Not taxes... but higher-capacity grid connections are more expensive because their fees are based on 'peak' draw, not avg delivery (I forget the property terminology for this connection fee).... and those grid-fees get added to the charging costs (which is why high-power chargers are usually more expensive)
Does it have “camp mode” like a Tesla? Is there a 120V power outlet for vehicle 2 load?
A van full of deliveries.. like i did in Canberra.. ( always was well overweight, wine boxes, the lot .. the battery test on that would be appreciated.. (think a Snap on Van )
I see these all the time From Amazon cargo vans. We win at Electric Adoption when business go there first!!!
Will/does Mercedes update their software regularly?
Not everyone needs a bigger motor. It’s entirely dependent on your use case.
I can't wait for this to be on the used market for about 50k, so I can replace my big van with this.
What was the cost of the charge from 0 to 100%? I would love to try this here in Pennsylvania with all these mountains. Not being skeptical I just think it would definitely have an effect (especially loaded). But then again, gas powered are affected by the mountains too. Just curious. I love your videos by the way.
How far would it go with a full load ?
Do these have a heatpump?
There's a few used low mile e-Transits for $24-30k, I'd wait and see how the used price holds up.
Could you get a pallet of materials in the side door and then two pallets from the back
Just slide them in from the back. That is how it is normally done. The forklift puts a pallet in as far as it can place it. Then they load the second pallet, and push the first forward with it. Next pallet is loaded the same way. They may use a board to push a pallet, but often it pallet pushing pallet.
About 285 km on a charge not bad.
Can’t wait for a long range sprinter maybe 250-300 miles would be perfect
I wonder if a tow package is available and if so what rating
I bet it does. The Ford Transit can tow.
maxwell makes a good camper with solar
Winnebagos going to be next?
As a fleet owner I'd be intrested in one at the 144" with this same battery package... Im guessing they need the 170" for this battery pack? I like what I see I just don't want or need the 170" I'm my business.
When the Mercedes eSprinter van gets 180 mile battery I will buy this one when its gets 300 miles on a charge lol
I'll bet dollars to donuts that this would do over 300 miles at 35 MPH.
You’re gonna be waiting a long ass time. The battery density would have to double!
300 miles to do what? It all depends what you need to do for it. As a delivery van totally fine
You do understand how they _under_ report SoC / total capacity, right? At "zero" it'll still have plenty in the pack. The control systems will stop you long before the pack reaches actual zero. Companies are well versed in measuring capacity - NiMH has no voltage curve, and that's been the heart of hybrids for 30 years. (that's why it asks for calibration.)
Woow what a coincidence my phone shuts off to a 5% low battery warning the moment you said shut off
I can't believe the sprinter has the Maybach wheel lol
An electric RAM ProMaster is coming out this year, so another van for you to try out.
I am very confused by the navigation Kyle performed in this. Before any driving, he said he was going up Mount Evans, which I am well familiar with because several years ago my wife and I bicycled up (and down) from Denver. But then he was talking about Wyoming and Nebraska?! And the highway signs showed I-25 which I don't think I have ever been on. Presumably "Wellington" is not the one in New Zealand and probably in Colorado, apparently along I-25, but Kyle was being excessively secretive and didn't say which one of the 19 Wellingtons in the U.S. he meant!
Dreaming of a day when the range on these are so good we see Van Lifers transforming them
We are kind of getting there. Unless you’re going super far out in the middle of nowhere, just about 200mi works for something like this
@@KyleConner Especially if you pop into a campground with hookups every few days, which you'd probably need for water anyways.
I just imagined them taking a power drill to the floor to install their conversion only to go through the pack.
@@YKSGuy 😂😂
@@JakeShirley mmm good point
Will there be a passenger version? I have 4 children and they of course have friends, so we're holding out for 8 or more passenger EV.
You sure could fit a lot of panels on top. This would be a great van to build out a house bank with onboard charger.🤙
Only this and the Transit are viable work vans in my eyes. My services services and my branding need to be a thing that makes the impact, not that I'm rolling up in something aggressively electric. Plus there are a lot of older individuals out there who really dislike EVs, those are still good customers I want to keep.
You need to add pay load because Ford said it impacts range a lot
He said he'll do an efficiency test at max payload. So we'll find out what effect it has.
That gas filler flap wouldn’t be a bad place for a key lock box
Also it’s Ironic that the Rivian has poor charging when their truck and suv charge well
I don’t understand why this costs so much. Not just the EV version or even the Sprinter, but vans in general. If this is indeed $80k, it costs more than my loaded EV9 AWD which has only a slightly smaller battery (and it’s not the cheaper LFP chemistry, so it’s smaller, lighter and has better charge/discharge performance), far nicer interior, full driver assistance package and AWD with nearly 2x the power. Even factoring in the cost of the battery, it seems like this should be $60k tops. Cargo vans have basically no interior, no luxury options, nothing to justify the cost. The stronger frame and suspension don’t add that much cost, especially vs something like the EV9 and F150 Lightning that both use a lot of forged aluminum in their suspension (I’m sure the Sprinter just uses basic steel).
As far as van life stuff with this, I guess it depends on the person. This thing would be awesome once you got to your destination as long as someone outfits it with an AC inverter that allows you to use the HV battery to power stuff in the interior and the cargo barrier can be opened/removed to allow the cabin HVAC to heat/cool the back. But, I’m not sure the range is sufficient. Again, depends on the person. I’m imagining that the typical van life person who can afford to spend $80k + outfitting cost (probably well over $100k when all said and done) is probably not doing real camping out in the woods, but probably more like glamping 20 miles outside of a major city at a catered resort. This would be fine for that, but for real camping away from civilization…I’m not sure it has the range to get you there, use it, AND get you back to a charger. Campgrounds with power hookup is not camping.
For commercial cargo use though, this would be perfect for last mile delivery or basically any trade in a major metro area. Even for something like U-Haul as an in-town moving van.
Production volume...
It's a US market thing in Europe Fiat E-Ducato with 110kWh battery starts around $56k and similarly sized diesel vans like the VW Crafter or Renault Master are under $40k.
It needs twice as large battery. Right now it’s only for city use.
It’s better then the transit but the price of prob insane
He said 80k but as he pointed out that's not that far from the ICE version.
@@darmou most Americans can’t afford that I guess but good for them
@@Taduuuu Yeah I think waiting for second hand prices might make something like this more attainable, given latest depreciation
@@darmouvery vital market atm
Sprinters not very popular in Australia, Ford Transit is so much cheaper, and the quality if anything seems better.
4:10 wish you would elaborate on "lfp" no idea what that is.
It’s the cell chemistry (lithium iron phosphate) which brings some properties with it, like bigger lifetime and very robust e.g. let it sitz at 100% for a long time but also a slower charging time compared to NMC (Nickel Manganese Cobalt), the standard Chemistry of most ev‘s you would buy
LFP = Lithium Ferrous (Iron) Phosphate... it's the 'safe' battery chemistry that is less energy dense, but less prone to fires, etc.... and also a lot cheaper to produce.
WHATS IN THE BOX!!!!! No heads of Mercedes competitors hopefully
AWD 144 with NACS and a slightly bigger battery and I’ll move my Sprinter build from the diesel to this. ⚡️🚘
"No keyless entry" proceeds to pull key fob out and unlock without a key.
The term "keyless entry" seems to have shifted over the years. Originally it means "a remote control key fob," now it seems to refer to "can leave the key fob in your pocket."
@@AnonymousFreakYTit actually hasn’t “shifted” at all seeing as a fob acts in the same way as phone as a key or a key card; they all take the place of an actual key & are forms of a keyless entry.
@@kenyattaclay7666 The original (90s) meaning of “keyless entry” was truly keyless _entry_ only. No cut-metal-key to open the door. Because the “unlock” button on the fob was considered “keyless”. You still had to insert the cut-metal-key into the ignition and turn it to start the car. That was considered “keyless entry.” The “keep you key in your pocket” to enter and start was later. The first vehicle I had with that was a Toyota who called it “Smart Key System”, where the same vehicle without it, with the older style fob-with-buttons-solely-to-lock-and-unlock was considered “keyless entry” at the same time.
@@AnonymousFreakYT seeing as how there are plenty of cars where you still need a physical key the so called “original” meaning is still the EXACT same meaning. In fact if you look up the definition for keyless entry it says “a feature that allows the driver to lock and unlock their vehicle without using a key IN THE DOOR. If you also Google an image of keyless entry the very first image is of a someone holding a fob to unlock their car door. The simple fact is the definition of keyless entry has not “shifted” whatsoever.
Should be Automatic Keyless Entry "AKE" which unlocks based on proximity
I want to convert my ram promaster to electric 16mpg sucks😅 I was debating trading my fully built vaj for an etransit to build out I think electric van life is the future like you can charge at a camp ground. This is the future I like the promaster van better personally lower floor and way better turn radius in the longest form. The etransit is 0% interest and can get them for $36k lol tempting🤔
you smarter than a box of Rock
Impressive how little range it has _empty_ vs. my dino-gulping V8 (NV2500). This thing has the empty performance of my van with 3 tones behind it. (and it's computer limited to a suicidal 100mph) And if I slow down, I can double even that range. (Yes, I'll say it... and 10min later, I can do another 300mi in it.)
Sure... but that's more down the energy density differences between dyno-juice and batteries... and whilst batteries are always improving, it's going to take time to get anywhere near dyno-juice energy levels (and just think how much range you'd get if ICE didn't discard 75-80% of all the energy in that dyno-juice)
Hopefully it is more reliable than the diesel sprinter
This seems like an odd test. Delivery vehicles are generally not used at highway speeds for long periods of time.
Must be a new viewer? This is how they do a highway range test of every EV.
Many people are excited for being able to outfit an electric van as an RV, so it's very valuable for tons of people for a test of the basic drivetrain. It's still very early days for electric vans.
@@yayinternets Not a new viewer, just an old engineer. A product is designed for a purpose and this vehicle isn't made for this task. It's like using a log truck to get groceries.
Lots of sprinter vans are used for regional deliveries. Range def not enough. City deliveries, it will probably work just fine
@@ThomasWilliams-ee6li I'm an old Software Engineer myself.
I think you are too focused on the product and not considering the channel. Some other channel can do that sort of review, if it's to be tested purely for cargo/logistics. Cargo delivery is not the expertise here. This is just one test video they do for all EVs
The Sprinter is a base platform that can be outfitted in all kinds of ways, one of which is a cargo van. Even with that, using something like this in a rural area, you are going to need to know the range.
I grew-up in a very rural area myself and the UPS guy who delivered to our town set all kinds of mileage records for them because he would put so many miles on his vans. The town even had a retirement party for him even though he lived 70 miles away.
That said, there's definitely a range use case. Even getting super specific about the use of this platform to use for just cargo, range is definitely still valid. Not every van is used only in metro areas.
@@yayinternetsthe wrong way! There is no 70 mph zones in my area.
Not a fan of the analog gauges.