THIS ICE MACHINE WAS INSANE
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- This is one of the worst Ice Machines as far as the amount of calcium I have seen in a very long time.
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Wish i was located in California to work for you, but if a non-experience person gets the position, don't take this opportunity for granted, I wish i had a mentor like you when i started.
Thanks for that
Wish I was on the west coast too.
I will say this... I'm glad I'm not in California, however I would love to work and learn under Chris! He is awesome!
I had a manitowoc ice machine leaking refrigerant through the low pressure wires today. I’m an educator now and all my guys like watching your channel !
I appreciate that, I hope they are taking away some valuable lessons from these
as a non refrigeration tech, the main thing i take away from your videos is to never EVER order ice in my drinks
That is my main takeaway too, I will never order ice ever again 💀
I always get that free drink they offer after I clean it 😂
I used to watch your videos all the time when I worked in residential HVAC because I was always interested in these commercial applications. I had not watched in awhile but I leveled up and got a Commercial HVAC/R service tech job with my 3 and a half years of resi experience. I got sent to a walk in freezer and I figured it out eventually but I came back to your channel and literally watched all of your walk in freezer videos back to back. I appreciate what you do and I will always like the videos and share them to our service team group chat. Thank you sir
Thanks for watching, I hope this content continues to serve that very purpose
Your ice machine videos is 99% the reason why I get all my drinks with no ice at any place. That was just disgusting..
This makes me think of that old saying. You can pay me now or you can pay me later.
I'm glad I'm not in Cali, but man, I wish I could work with you.
Same. Work is good when folks know what they are doing.
Chris I have the same thing happening the customer has a water source with a very high level of calcium carbonate in it. The clog begins in the horizontal run because every time the dump valve opens the extremely concentrated discharge from the sump settles in the bottom of the pipe and within 60 days the entire drain line is clogged. my solution is that I carry nickel safe ice machine cleaner as well as muriatic acid. I converted the drain line toh pvc and extended the vent line to where i could put a funnel into it and pour 1 cup of 50% water 50% acid down the drain line. I also have 2" 3" and 4" pvc pipe 30" long with pvc caps i use a 25% muriatic acid water mixture to clean the Manitowoc and Hoshizaki spray bars. I also use the water muriatic mix to clean dump valves and any other plastic parts with a nylon brush dipped in the acid water mix. the muriatic water mix will remove calcium in seconds. The important thing here is that the muriatic water mix CANNOT GET ANYWHERE NEAR THE EVAPORATOR.If have a machine that the cabinet is totally scaled I will tape a sheet of plastic totally covering the evaporator and use the 25% acid water mix in a spray bottle.
I’d work for you in a heartbeat if I lived in California. Thanks for another awesome video Chris! 👍🏻
Same
Thanks
Ice machines make 3 things - heat, scale and if you’re lucky ice
If they're got such hard water that it's doing that they might want to consider a water softener. Might be cheaper than all the plumbing and machine repairs/maintenance. That's some bad calcium and it all has tom come from somewhere. It's probably building up in the rest of their plumbing too.
I'm guessing it's darn well a waste--that having to replace this stuff every so often is cheaper than a dang ol' salt-based water softener, with the having to pay for salt deliveries all the dang time.
@@quietone610 or labor too short staffed to hump that pallet of salt bags around the boiler room access?
Great video that ice machine drain needs some pipe hangers on the wall and floor one you do that pipe would be secured you wont be back there again doing the drain.
You'll love this one.
Part of our $1M "renovation" at Coffee And Donut Store included a tap system for dispensing iced coffees, a self-contained refrigerated MicroMatic system with 4 taps and a uselessly-shallow drain pan under those taps. This was installed in December, and now in April we have a recurring problem with the drain pan emptying. Part of it was people dumping full coffees with sugar down it, plus some bits of Splenda wrapper, and a few fully-intact coffee beans. Well, at least that's what I was able to get out of it by grabbing the drain hose from the back and applying some lung-pressure to backflush it.
The drain pan is ultra-thin stainless steel, which drains into the refrigerated box into a PVC elbow, then a short length of PVC pipe, and finally to a clear vinyl hose. From there it goes through the back of the box via a swivel pass-through to another piece of vinyl tube that gets shoved into the PVC drain pipe along our building's interior wall. It still drains slowly, and I know why: like our walk-in refrigerator, the stupid drain line inside the box IS GOING UPHILL! 🤬 I swear, if I said some people have the brains God gave a goose, geese around the world would be deeply offended!
Big Picture Complaint: After the quick "gas & go" last week, our walk-in is sorta maintaining 40-43°F every day, ever since about two hours after the guy left LAST Thursday.
Did the whole HVAC thing. Went to RCC in the IE, got certified and a diploma. Worked at a state facility and watched a guy drive around in a truck doing almost nothing asked him what he made annually and how to do it, he said 220k annually with overtime, I jumped ship immediately and never looked back, do I miss diagnosing and repairing yeah I do, do I miss being on the roof in August practically dying of heat stroke? NOPE would I work for a guy like Chris? I don’t know, I see he runs a tight ship and does great work, but at the end of the day a small even medium business can’t give retirement and benefits like a state agency can. That’s just the way it is in CA, he probably pays out the wazoo for benefits and insurance doesn’t leave much for employees pay. In another state I’d probably be banging on his door but not in commifornia where he’s punished for doing a good job. If you’re a tech right out of school, yeah great starter company but you can move on to places like Disneyland and make 10x the pay with retirement, health benefits for life etc, it sucks for small companies but that’s the facts here in good old CA
And now ill ask for no ice wherever I go....
with seeing so many of the videos like this from him i have made it to allways ask for no ice
Meh - it's what we have an immune system for!
LIke the rest of the kitchen isn't nasty too? Don't ever look in a fridge in such places either.
@@DocNo27 exactly.. people don’t drink from the water hose no more.
i mean its just calcium tbh
@@opusermighthunt4437 And mold. Notice how there's a certain musty taste when you get a drink at one of these places?
There is no way that location passed their ecosure audits with that grease problem being that bad
Depends on who gets paid...
Man, is this restaurant seated on top of a limestone quarry... yikes.
lol
You can build pyramids from that.😁
After u saw this, imagine your last coke....its so disgusting, how an ice machine can look like, smell like and taste like
They need a water softener
You want to get a calendar ,just for ice machines,and you try to schedule most for winter time,you call the rest. tell them it is due.phosphate filters work best,and adjust to use more water.2 cents.nice work guys.
It has an issue with the grease correct? What I think is happening is the cleaning they are using/ "maybe using to much to try and get rid of the grease quicker" as well in conjunction with the hose sprayer is creating an emulsion bubble of grease and/or bubbles being created from the suds mixed with the grease and being pushed up the drain tube. Because it is does froth up the drain pipe it is building up grease a tiny layer of grease inside of pipe every night. We all know the water that is draining is going to be repelled right over the grease depositing calcium in the grease as it rolls down it. Then the next night a new layer of grease it is given, causing a drainage issue over a short time if the grease is as thick as it looks. With that said I am not a plumber non am I a HVAC guy. Not am I a guy that has a "education in the from the fine teaching system that the America has to offer" but my brain and trade of 24 has allowed me to develop troubleshooting skills that can apply to all things in life if some observation takes place. So take this with a grain of salt and a dash pepper if you like either. ;) I see 3 potential you can try. I see the issue driving inside of the catch basin. A bunch of bubbles constantly growing from the splash of the water coming from the house. The more they sprayed the bigger the bubbles become pushing the trash higher and higher up the drain. Yes the bubbles will get bigger as they are popped trapping air under the bubbles that did not get popped and reformed as bigger bubbles. The 3 possible solutions I could imagine are as followed. One don't let the drain from the ice maker sit just about the basin where the bubbles are being compacted together. Cut the down pipe a foot?? Or so above and let it drip into the basin. It should not allow the bubbles to back up in the tube and create a scum to build up in the drain.
2nd bring the pipe to the bottom of the drain basin where the water layer is at maybe keeping the bubbles from forming inside of the pipe. I don't really like this idea non did I say all 3 solutions were good ones. ;)
3rd one is to come down the wall to the floor 90 at a angle that would keep them from spraying the hose up it and still allowing it to drain in the basin with out the dripping sound the first solution may create causing a nuisance to staff making the OCD twitch get the best of them. Just a thought on the subject. Want to say I appreciate you sharing the things you do with us and thank you for teaching me personally things I did not know or think of from time to time. You and I would have fun working together I am sure. Keep on doing what you are doing.
Need some better filters to remove the calcium from the water before it even goes into the machines looks like a lot of hard water problems
Well, since you refuse to properly soldered joints, I think you should go to just about 100% doing the squeeze fittings which looks the whole lot better than the blobs of solder. You have on the pipes.
7:30 Meanwhile in the reactor room, SCRAM IT! SCRAM IT!
What i never understood is why are yuu adding coper lines to a drain line? Copper is such a precious metal, and so expensive. Utilizing it for water drainage just doesn't make sense, it's not even under pressure. Maybe someone can enlighten me
for those very crazy calcium madness the lim-a-away from ecolab works like magic, dissolve any calcium like noting, and i know that bcz i clean a big machine like this one, with calcium all over the place
Absolutely love your videos, but you’re really starting to get tacky with slapping us in the face with this merch thing at the beginning.
i've got a cleaning on an ice machine at work tomorrow night, hope i dont run into something like this. we've been instructed to use vinegar as the cleaning solution for our ice machines, what do you think about using that vs the suggested cleaning solution? manitowoc and a couple of hoshizaki
Food-grade citric acid crystals are your friend. Mix up a nice concentrate and it'll dissolve all that calcium build-up.
Hehe. I recently passed my CFQ and got my red seal. In Ontario, Canada. lol.
Silly question why not go in with like a 1-in so there's no way it can plug I mean come out of the machine with the right size but then go straight to a 1-in
Air born yeast floating around?
Ever deal with that?solution?
I'm sorry, but I think there's something else going on. That amount of calcium is very uncommon. Love to work for you, but.............
Do you prefer doing copper? Is it better for drains. We do PVC, unless is a freezer.
I'd work for you in a heart beat. Nowhere near California :( You seem like a good dude Chris who does honest work keep it up man
For those dump valves, a little trick I use for heavy calcium is cleaveland steamer descaler, cleans them like new and fast. And to neutralize it, baking soda and water. Hope it helps for future
Have to get them to filter their water from the street if they don't want their machine clogging constantly
So today was my turn with calcium... just opened a 45 liter boiler to clean it :/
🤩🤩🤩 DUDE that merch intro is flipping awesome
Thanks bud
I use white vinegar for calcium build up
why not pvc
I can already tell that is a sushi/japanese restaurant. Serviced many restaurants and those are always like that. Respectfully.
What does not will us makes us harder.😁
Not fair that he doesn't look world wide
Good luck in your search for a new tech.
I do wonder if anyone overseas sent in a CV...
For bad lime build ups I find what works best on the plastic parts is pickling vinegar or just standard white vinegar. to speed up the process I usually do not dilute it if used on small parts and warm up the vinegar to make the reactions go a little quicker. It does the trick and if you just catch it right you can knock off the big chunks without gouging the plastic.
Vinegar works great on calcium
Is copper code in your location.?
Excelentes consejos los tuyos Chris, son de gran utilidad para todos los que trabajamos máquinas que fabrcan hielo. Nuevamente muchas gracias saludos desde Coacalco Edo de México y tengan una excelente noche.
Maybe I should. Prior work experience is CNC Machinist.
Man I sent you a message last year for an opportunity. And now that you’re accepting resumes I just got through my probation in Rialto unified school district. Oh well, I still watch these videos lol
An honest question. When you and your lady wife go out for a meal do you have ice in your drinks??
Lol, well,,,, that's a complicated answer, I discuss it more on my next live stream
I would apply in a heartbeat if I was in CA. Good luck finding people Chris. I myself work commercial and light industrial service now and more.
now imagin. u get food and cold drinks from such places.. D:
What about the restaurant ice ha
I just did one. It was gross..
Nasty as always! Is that a 2015 filter ?
dont thehealth department actually checked these ice makers?
Exelente video gracias
What seems more likely than the drain being plugged up is that the ice thickness was the cause of the plugging.
The reasons these ice machines have calcium issues is that while making ice, the calcium that's already in the water is getting concentrated.
The water freezes into ice and the calcium is left behind and taken away by the water stream. After a while you'll end up with a super concentrated solution of calcite water.
The machine is supposed to dump that out and refill itself with clean water. (Purpose of the dump cycle)
For that cycle to work, you need a certain amount of water left in the machine. If the ice thickness is set way too high, there'll be less water to contain the calcium so it'll try to drop out of solution any place it can.
Additionally the purge won't be able to pick up as much water to purge out, meaning more calcium making it into the next cycle.
And when the drain starts plugging up, it builds a feedback loop. Less water purged means more calcium, more plugging, means less water purged.
So if your ice thickness is too high, the water concentrates the calcium too high, leading to calcium buildup (Which then accelerates itself)
Either way, these machines really needed that cleaning. Great video!
YUCK @ all that calcium. Nuts
I bet you're OCD went into overdrive. I know mine would. It's hard, at least for me to know when to say "it's good enough". They were pretty bad...thanks for the video Chris
I am looking for a position right now and I'd just moved from OC to IE. I'll be sending my resume your way.
Chris, just checking if you got my email? Also wondering if this position has been filled? Thank you!
I love your videos. I’ve always been fascinated by heating and AC and watching all your videos is just really teaching me a lot of things about this type of stuff that I had no idea. I really wish I lived in California because I would love for you to be my mentor and teach me more things hands-on.we own a restaurant in Massachusetts and I hate having to call AC people to fix this in ice machines but I could probably do it myself if I was more knowledgeable, but it’s really nice seeing your videos and I appreciate all the hard work you do. Great company, great videos, and keep it up.
Thanks bud
Chris look up Tennant Creek NT. Australia where im from the calcium there is also insane we would service Evapcoolers 2 weeks later the pads completely blocked with calcium again crazy the water is insane there,very hard.
I would definitely consider working with you if I would be close.
I really appreciate the way you work and treat customers.
I think we would match up pretty nice.
But it's just the wrong continent sadly
Does vinegar work? Also calcium deposits are more soluble in cold water. My Dad had a coffee maker pot that was covered in calcium deposits. I used diluted nitric acid and in seconds it was crystal clear. Rinse in cold water and you are in business. Nitric is real aggressive on metals especially aluminum.
I honestly don't believe they are blocking the drains. I live in an area that has very hard water that I know the lake our town draws it's water supply from is literally on a limestone bed. I worked for a coffee company that until they got a water softener as part of their renovations we were having to call a repair person a few times a month to fix a blown heater in a coffee machine due to the lime buildup in the tank and I could see the dents in the tank from the technicians using rubber mallets to break off the lime buildup. Every few months I would have to take a pair of pliers to a thermocouple in the tea tower because it wasn't sensing right to allow water into the machine automatically because of the lime buildup. If you had failed to use a "Snake" in the little tube that leads to the coffee maker distribution head for less than a week then you would experience pots of coffee not brewing properly.
Man i wish i lived in California again!! Used to live in Bakersfield but i moved back to south dakota, would have loved to work for you!!
Something that I've found works great at dissolving calcium build up that's also food safe is vinegar
I think your opportunity would be a great person who is just starting to get into the trade in your area. You can help mold them for the future with your company. Someone who is through schooling so they have the basics down.
You might be able to get the bulk of the calcium off the plastic without scratching it but it would take completely dismantling the machine and soaking every calcified part for at least 3 hours (6-8 is better) in a bath of water with a very high concentration (at least 50-50 mix, the more Vinegar you can afford to use, the faster it will eat the calcium buildup) of Pickling Vinegar (7% Acetic Acid by volume), Cleaning Vinegar (10% Acid by volume) would be better but the Vinegar fumes are stronger...
It also has the benefit of being 100% Food Safe and no scrubbing is (usually) needed, just soak then rinse the Vinegar residue off...😄😁😆😅😂🤣
That's what I use to decalcify my taps and shower wand when it gets plugged up at home...
The soak time would be the problem with these machines since the restaurant Manager isn't likely going to want to lose the use of them for that long...
And this is why I don't really get ice at fast food or restaurants. Most of the time your order a large drink and they fill the entire cup with ice. I ordered 42oz of a drink and not 8oz of a drink and the rest of it ice lol.
I've found an 18v cordless Ryobi 600 psi pressure washer does a decent job getting a lot of stuff off the bin as well as the deep fat fryer during boil out. Forgive me for using LimeAway on the bins and other parts soaking in the bucket. Then sponge scrubber (green pad with yellow sponge) and nylon brush.
acid magic
Thumbs up
I think the calcium could be caused by bad or bypassing water filters, and a location with a high calcium content in the water.
I experienced this last year at a chilis. Their water softener had a fault and was sending very heavy salt concentration through the building and only the ice machices were effected.
They have a very hard water issue, they need to put a water system on the system. Limestone causes this issue, I would recommend putting a hard water system in with a good purifying filter system.
Whoever gets the position will definitely be a fortunate person. Experienced or green as grass they will be getting a great mentor and a great environment to learn the trade to the fullest!
I know this guy in Northern California let's call him NorCalDave and he's a huge fan of your series. Dave is an old dog so good luck teaching him new tricks,
damn, now i wish i a) went to school for hvac and b) lived in cali. hope you find your unicorn techs!
Assuming that this establishment is on city water... there is no reason why they should have that much calcium buildup.
My city water in my home was tested and it had literally zero calcium in it. That is the mean with city water from my research on the subject.
How can your restaurant clients afford you with $20 minimum wage. Expect more calcium in the future
The things we see :)
I just attended a Manitowoc service class yesterday and learned an interesting fact. On their flake and nugget ice machine lines you need to use a metal safe cleaner not a nickel. The evaporator is stainless steel and will not hold up well against the normal nickel safe descaler
This Equipment looks Trashed. 🤔 You and your employees Strong 💪 Efforts made a Huge Difference. 👍🙏
I didn’t go to school and I’m from Maine. That’s out of the question.
I love these ice machines videos always waiting for the other upload
Dude, I´d love to work for You. Sadly I live on the other side of the world but I dig Your vids. Hope You´ll find a good one.
20 dollar minimum wages will make routine maintenance even harder as time goes on.
Hey Chris I don't think i have every seen that much calcium built up on one like that before.
I've clean my share of ice machine in the day. Great job has always.
If you hire an experienced German technician, can I get a green card for the US and flight tickets? ;)
That was a really dirty machine I usually use a heavier solution of cleaner when they’re that bad
propress QUEEN !!!
They need a self cleaning product that sprays everything and then run cycle and melt and rinse the bin at night.
Would you be interested in hiring a pet plant? A walking, talking, living cheeky plant? 😅
That’s definitely hard water needs water softener and new filters to stop the build up.
Fly me to Cali
Regards Rochester NY boi
I would want to give this a good bleaching but I guess it's not allowed