I took 8mg films for 16 YEARS. my doc and I tapered slowly down to. 25mg. I think .50 was the lowest I could go. It's been 5 months sub free and I feel great. The worst part was insomnia. The first few nights you could've hit me with an elephant tranquilizer and I still wouldn't sleep. I'm 57 and it's not too hard to stop. I'm free!
I am currently one week in sober. Been on 12/16 mg a day for 7 years. About 2 strips. Im at the point in my life that I deserve to feel the shittiness of withdrawal for ever letting it go this long. Im doing this cold turkey. No alcohol. No weed. No drugs. I hate it controlling/having a say over my life. I already feel a little better and not as much anxiety/depression/numbness. Yes the no sleep really sucks along with body aches but I suck it up and sleep 3/4 hours a day. I just keep telling myself it wont be like this forever. And I can do it. I control my destiny. Good luck to everyone trying or going thru the same as me. Or even if you haven't started yet but wanna do it. The first step is one day. And then its one day at a time. Mind over matter. God bless.
You made a difference , after reading this I've committed to sobriety, no nothing. I've only been on suboxone for 2 weeks, 16 mg day. I deserve the pain thats coming to me, because of the pain I've cost my loved ones. Thankyou very much for sharing your story, and any advice on the process, including supplement or other health based methods, that might have helped you. Once again THANK YOU!
I’m about to make the jump. I was used to 8mg a day for the last 6 years. Past week I’m down to 2mg a day or less. I’m so tired of paying 15 dollars a sub and mostly looking and depending on it. I’m about to be completely out of subs. I have one 8mg pill left and I’m breaking it in the smallest pieces to tapper off then that’s it I’m also willing to take the pain that comes with it because I want to be free
@@mipapi9167 I was doing 1/8s x3 per day. Withdrawal was worse anyway. H was easy. Kratom helped me off box. Ive done everything, box is the devil. atleast with meth he doesn't hide Box, he just lays back, pluck your nerves. Look into ketamine therapy, ibogaine off the darkweb. Box cause damage to the default actually potential on neurons. ion controlled voltage gates, they make neurons actually fire dopamine. I felt dead inside from the day I first day I took box, and even 5 years later. im getting ibogaine, the science is neato. brain growth factor, neurogenesis, repaired action. These crugs share something in common, It's what lsd, shrooms, dmt :) fixing brain fast hAs a certain affect. also gut brain axis
Coming off buprenorphine was hell. I was tapered for five days, felt good for two after that and then the withdrawals hit me. A month of kicky legs, my head flapping side to side, serial sneeisng and mental anguish. Even now, three months later, I have kicky moments in bed at night, and my sleep is touch and go, but I've stayed clean.
I've got 6 months myself. Went 40 days with little to no sleep. Couldn't lie still. But I was never dopesick. I feel great now. Congratulations on your good fortune. We are both very lucky.
I think you tapered too quickly. Don’t suffer, do a slow taper. I hate Suboxone too, I can’t wait to get my life back. Right now I’m taking a micro dose, and starting to feel like my old self again finally
Thank you. I've changed my youtube name but am still clean - eight months off opiates, six months off alcohol, six weeks off cigarettes. @@fionabell1744
Thanks, Tradesmartt. Dr Coleman and Dr Swainey are both in long-term recovery from opioid use so they do have some firsthand knowledge about withdrawal, treatment options, etc.
My first suboxone doctor was amazing. He had struggled with opoids because of a boating accident. Almost lost his legs and now using crutches/cane to walk. He was the coolest, realest, most honest bad ass dr I ever had. He knew the struggles himself and had been there. I really appreciate Dr's who are honest. It makes you feel safe and that they really want to help you! Nice job❤
I was prescribed Suboxone for the last 2 years. Stopped taking it 3 days ago. It's not my first rodeo but sure as hell is my last. Feeling shitty but looking forward to feeling normal. Was taking 16mg a day to nothing. Smoking marijuana is my remedy. Restless legs at night suck but that's the price I pay for taking it for so long. Just got to get through it and remind yourself of the freedom you will obtain.
Thanks Lee... I tapered off for a #*@%^ YEAR! Jan, 14th was my first day without Suboxone. I'd been taking since 2011, Yes 10 YEARS! On Friday Jan. 14th I woke up with Full Blown Withdrawals. It;s been 8 days now and I can Function OK. Still twicking legs etc. at night, but I can sleep a little. SUBOXONE to me was a savior. I knew it would be hard to get off of. Fintynal patches were a breeze complared to this. God Bless you all and I hope you make it. I know I'll never touch opioids again.
@@mirrortime the lows in life make the highs that much sweeter. An arrow has to be drawn back before it is flung forward into it's desired target. I believe in you 💯 whether I know you or not. I don't care how many times it takes someone to get it right. Took me a few times to build up enough hate for the drugs to finally break free. Yeah 13 days ain't long...but my mentality now is I used to be an addict. I'm not anymore. Just like the day before I started taking opiates. It's just the days after.
@@gunnargaming8584 we are all in this battle together like you said whether we know one another or not. I wish you the best in your journey back to normalcy. We just have to really want to change for this to work and have a great support system around you. Not sure about you but I can't afford to go to a rehab so I'm solely doing this on my own and that's tough. The people who I thought were my friends could care less about me but I do have my family so I'm in a good space to see this through. This will be my 3rd attempt at trying to get clean.
@@dirtysouthfishing3674 you got this brother. Talk yourself up in the mirror if that's what it takes to get you pumped up to get through that day. Go all out. My mentality is that it's going to kill me if i don't get it right this time. It's life or death. And I want to live. This mentality has changed my whole life in the last 14 days. I was up late last night applying for drug addiction counseling jobs. People laugh when I say this but I'm going to war on the opiate epidemic. But it ain't funny or a joke. We need to support each other. We can't go to a doctor and have them give us another drug to avoid the symptoms. Those withdrawal symptoms are your body telling you "I'm going to war for you". I stopped being afraid of the symptoms. We aren't made of glass. If I have to get up in the middle of the night because someone is detoxing and doesn't have the motivation or energy to cook a meal, I wanna be that man. I am ready to devote and dedicate the rest of my life to attack and destroy this. It took 10 years from me. Almost lost my son. Both my mother and father died from drug and alcohol addiction. My little brother is still currently addicted to heroin. My older brother struggles with any pill. Not to sound arrogant but the addiction in my family stops with me. It's time to evolve and change the things that are destroying us. I appreciate you taking the time to respond to me. I am obsessed with learning everything about it aside from my own trials and tribulations. Like I said my number is 423-433-7437 if you or anyone needs someone to talk to too pass the time. All we need is time to heal. The strength is always there just have to regain it.
@@gunnargaming8584 Addiction runs in my family as well and it's just a vicious cycle. I'm 37 but im also the youngest so i can break the cycle as well. I hate to hear that about your family man I have no words. Just make sure your little brother doesnt keep fucking up. I've been taking opiates for 16yrs. Oxycodone is where it started at 21yrs old and just snowballs from there. I got bad on coke after that then meth then crack. I decided to quit all that and get on suboxone. I've been taking 16mg for just under 10yrs now and I weaned myself down to 1mg in 4 months until I took my last dose on January 14th. So today is only day 9 of this long journey. I think that's awesome you want to be a counselor in recovery, the people laughing at you are just haters or are just uneducated on addiction. Helping people in need is a great way to put your energy back in to those that are going through the same thing as we once did...talking past tense. We have risin above the ashes at this point. Man I wish you the best and my number is 769-226-8495 if you ever need someone to talk to as well. You are not alone. You got this brotha!
I feel like the opioid epidemic is so bad that no one thought ahead on how all of us patient on buprenorphine would feel years later and it’s sort of like another epidemic itself.
Yes! I'm now stuck on it for three years plus and I'm saving up to go to this ANR Clinic in Tampa FL they reset your brain to the way it used to be...under anesthesia
Completely agree! I’ve been on the shit for 10 years straight now. I have tried many times to quit and failed. I have found some things that help so I will be trying again soon
I was on suboxone for 15 years. Two years ago I quit cold turkey. It’s similar to opiate withdrawal but lasts much longer. I didn’t sleep for two weeks and the symptoms lasted for months. It’s very difficult to come off you have to really want it
I was also on for about 15yrs. I finally just said I don’t want to be an old man still chained to this drug. I went from 16mg to 2mg in a month. Then I broke up the pills into the smallest pieces I could until I ran out. The withdrawal was HORRIBLE! The first week was what you would expect. Miserable Opiate withdrawals. That was the easy part . The hard part was the next month and a 1/2 of feeling like trash 24 / 7. Literally not sleeping for days on end, depression and cravings and zero energy. But if you want to get free, it’s the price of admission. And it’s worth every horrible second! I still don’t sleep through the night after a year but I’ve learned to be fine with it. And I LOVE sleep. If I can do it anyone can. Best thing I ever did.
I’m getting off this stuff this week. Going to treatment after 15 years of suboxone. I’m 31. My doc put me on it when I was 3 months off oxy and stupid as a 16 year old. I’m excited to put this in my rear view. I’m worried about the withdrawals, but will be in the best treatment facility in the country. Wish me luck
I wish you all the luck! I'm going on 4 years off suboxone and I'm not going to lie to you,it's going to be hell but just keep going and understand that you're going to feel normal again. It took me about 10 months to feel normal again but it's worth it, I promise you. Don't turn back to the drugs,or the sobos,it's not worth the sickness again. You got this!
How did it work out for you? please bare in mind if for whatever reason it didn't work out or you decided not to go through with it, nobody will think any less of you, because it's a difficult challenge at the best of times one that 90 percent of people don't succeed at. i talk about this kind of thing on my channel. i'm on 12mg Subutex and collect weekly, live in UK. I like being on it cos i haven't used heroin since 2004
Ive came off Heroin, Oxy, Benzo you name it. Sub withdrawl is one of the hardest because of the half life and length. Day 8-9 was the worst. Coming off 2MG for 4 years. Day 18 and still having pretty severe withdrawal symptoms. No fun at all but will be so glad not depending on any type of medicine to live a normal life anymore. Its possible and you can do it if thats what you want to do
@@familyman8644 Been totally off them and everything since July 31. Almost end of February and feel great all the way around. Have a little problem sleeping but not too bad. Really glad to not be relying on taking any medication to get through life
It's not that bad, and you can get off! Don't let these videos put doubt in your mind. You will feel tired, a little depressed, diarrhea like no other. Keep hydrated, eat right, pursue your passions, keep yourself and mind busy, exercise. You can do it!
How is the physical pain, compared to Heroin or Oxycodone? I stopped Heroin 12 Days ago and have been using 1mg of Suboxone a day, usually one 8mg Subutex will last me 8 Days. So am I doing good but making the tablet last for a whole week or more? Or am I still going to feel excruciating pain like Heroin/Oxycodone detox and withdrawal?
@@RealGenuineTalk I'm going to be honest, I've never had to withdraw from heroin or oxy. I've been on Suboxone for 13 years. I've been 10 days off of it now. I jumped off at .5mg. If you're taking 1mg a day, I'd taper down to at least .5mg for a month before you jump off. Or even .25mg. everyone is different, but honestly it shouldn't be that bad. I definitely wouldn't jump off at 1mg a day though
My experience is with methadone. The withdrawals will be about the same. The difference for me is that when I’ve gotten off methadone I was mentally prepared so I could tolerate the physical withdrawals even though they were horrible. Getting off heroin/fentanyl was not that bad for me but I wasn’t mentally prepared so I kept relapsing. I’m back on methadone and I’m gonna taper all the day down going down 2 milligrams every 2 weeks. I’m still going to withdraw but I’ll be so focused I’ll be able to handle it. It lasts about a month but it’s so worth it.
Thank you Dr Coleman! And especially Joan Shepherd! I tapered from 16mg a day down to 0.5 a day. Once I got that low my life was miserable. I did the accelerated detox and it was easy compared to the hell I was going through prior. I did the detox in September 2019 and have remained clean since. The support and information you guys provide for after the detox was awesome. I’m a true believer in your method. I offer my sincerest thanks because I am free to live my life. Hell yeah!!!
If you want to get off of buprenorphine, you must start running or exercising vigorously. If you don’t, it’s going to be unnecessarily difficult. You must get your endorphins rolling again.
@@nickabarcayou don't because you can't. People just aren't clear by what they mean. You can't excercise when your having severe withdrawals. I haven't been able to excercise for 2 months because of the severity of buprenorphine withdrawal symptoms. People don't understand the length of time and the severity of withdrawing from suboxone ... especially when you been taking it for decades. Like the doc said even coming of a dose of suboxone as low as .0.075 can be extremely difficult. It can take up to a year or longer to fully recover as far as sub-acute withdrawal goes. Each month that passes you'll feel better. The people in the short acting opioid group are actually much better off then someone very dependent (meaning several year's ) on long acting opioids like suboxone.
@@nickabarcathese are people that are passed acute WD, working out while still using, or who never had a serious habit. I’m the biggest advocate of physical exercise in recovery, on drugs, whenever. It’s extremely important. But nobody who’s actually seriously withdrawing is going to be doing anything “vigorously” lol. Let alone running or lifting weights. You can’t even make it to the toilet to puke when you’re withdrawing yet you’re supposed to sprint around the neighborhood? Haha not gonna happen unfortunately
I been stuck on Suboxone for 5 years now and I hate it . It's no different then being on the dope still hiding from the detox all this time . I want out no matter what it takes at this point I want the chains off my wrist and neck I'm ready to give it a go and see where it takes me I want to be myself not depending on something to get through the day I know I can because I lived a good life until I got on the drugs I can get it back I want it back and I deserve to be sober .
How are you doing? I felt the exact same way before I got off of Suboxone, I was so sick of living that way having to be dependant on something every single day...I'm not on any kind of medication at all anymore and it feels great. You can do it! Stay strong and good luck!
How did it go? I am so there. I just decided to cold turkey from 6mg. And I’m on day three and honestly I’m not bad. A little antsy, a little insomnia, a little lethargic, less patient but omg compared to a withdrawal from fentanyl where I don’t get off the couch? I went to WORK today. I couldn’t take a SHOWER off fentanyl. Honestly, I feel like if you’re really done in your mind, and you’ve also experienced the hell of fentanyl withdrawal or omg even worse, precipitated withdrawal when you take the subs too soon (holy sh*t THAT’S the worst) if you remember THAT withdrawal, this shit doesn’t hold a candle to it. I’m sorry for all the bad experiences but I’m praying every morning, I REALLY want off it, and I’m just telling myself there’s no other way, this HAS to be it. Good luck to all.
@@jamesm2359 I'm still on the Subs it's been a battle but this is what keeps me straight for now it what I'm gonna do still feel stuck on a hamster wheel but not chasing dope so I'll take it . I do remeber them awful withdrawls taking meds too soon . They were the worst I wish you well on your recovery journey. One day at a time
Clonidine can help with restless legs. I tapered from 20mg/day (8-8-4) to .25mg a day (.25-0-0). This Doctor at 2:19 saying 0.075 was a big dose for this guy is REAL. This Doc is also smart by assuring you that your energy level won't recover for a few months. Exercise, Clonidine and a FAT diet (eat as much as you care and don't look back) can help you. Experiencing huge depression is normal. Weed can help a lot if you can get it. If not, a drink or 3 "now and then" might help you through your worst. Think, smoke (a cig or weed) and take a drink before you cave to the opioid. You can do it.
There's also a medication over the counter called hylands restless leg. It's amazing, it's dissolves, and it really works. You take it and ten min later you don't even have restless legs anymore. Idk if it'll help with withdrawal but the restless part it may.
I quit fentanyl in 2019, I was aware of the difficulty of coming off suboxone. The doctor was trying hard to get me on it, I did not want to. He was raving about the success he had had with patients, saying tapering down would be easy when the time came, years down the road. I had to ask him four or five times, directly, how many of his patients had successfully quit suboxone. He finally answered...zero. While I understand the benefit it can provide, saying no to all opioids and going through a tough cold turkey was one of the best decisions of my life. Four years later, sober and no looking back!
Thank you for sharing your story, Tres Fort. Buprenorphine can be a great treatment for many people, and we have about 100 such patients in Richmond. We also think it’s important that people understand the pros and cons before starting any mode of MAT for opioids-whether it is methadone, buprenorphine, or naltrexone. Our historical expertise has been in getting folks quickly detoxes off of opioids (including buprenorphine and methadone) and onto the long-acting opioid-blocker naltrexone to reduce cravings and help people get stable in early recovery. No one path works for everyone. Very glad to hear that you found the right path for you. Best wishes!
@@thecolemaninstituteforaddi6234 Thank you, and I am glad to hear that it sounds like you consider informed consent a priority for any treatment. Cheers!
I’ve been on suboxone since 2015. Currently on 4mg daily. My doctor lately has really been pushing me to lower my dose. I’m really having a hard time imagining life without suboxone. It’s scary for me, definitely don’t want to go back to using drugs and dealing with the shady people. I’d rather die honestly
I can completely understand your situation. I was going to stop taking Suboxone and I kept lowering it and lowering it and then I ended up calling my Suboxone doctor and getting back on it. It really helps me sleep great at night it takes away my restless legs and yes it covers my cravings. I have been sober for two years and I really don’t think about abusing pain meds at all anymore I don’t have the urge at all to take them. But I have a great doctor andMy doctor is very supportive of me and I am so glad he understands that I still need it. I would suggest you find a better doctor that is not pushing you to stop the Suboxone. I wish you the best of luck and I hope you can stay on this so it can give you the peace and help that it does. Take care God bless.
@@michellefain4730 has it affected your teeth? I’ve been on it 40 days and my front teeth are already extremely sensitive to room temp water even.. I’ve never had a tooth problem in my life..
@@dustyolnut9734 Suboxone 100 percent isnt good for your teeth I have to brush twice a day with very good toothpaste otherwise they would decay at a faster rate then normal
I just wanted to let you know that I have gone on Suboxone and I just got off of it 12 days ago. I suffer from severe severe restless leg syndrome. I have had times where I cannot sleep and all I do is thrash my legs so hard I bounce off the bed for eight hours and this happens over and over and over it’s like torture. I finally talked to a Doctor Who had wrote two books on restless leg syndrome. And she told me to take magnesium. So I have been taking 1000 mg of magnesium at night and my restless legs are gone even after stopping the Suboxone. Most people with restless leg syndrome Need to take a lot of magnesium because they are magnesium deficient. Good luck and God bless you. Trust me on the magnesium, it works miracles for us this leg syndrome. And yes I take 1000 mg every single night and no restless leg syndrome at all.
I was taking magnesium for the same reason but my physician told me to stop taking it because it can cause strokes in patients without a deficiency. I only say this because I was unaware of the dangers of something you can buy at any dollar store. also I'm glad to hear that it works for you. I also suggest talking to your Dr because they can tell you whether it's safe for You or Not.
@@TheSorcererAhrimanahsul thank you for your comments. I have talked to my doctor and my blood work said that I was low on magnesium even though I was taking 500 mg every night so he told me to take 1000 mg every night. I am magnesium deficient. But right now I am down to just taking 500 mg at night. Restless legs has really been a problem for me in the past but I really don’t have any issues with it at all anymore and I am very thankful for that and grateful because it was so awful kicking for 6… 7…8 hours!I think God I don’t have to deal with that anymore.
I was on suboxone for 9 years until I found out about sublocade a once a month shot. I did 6 months, 6 shots and then I just stopped and found out the withdrawal was almost nonexistent. Been clean now for 9 months. It really was a miracle for me because I am positive I never could taper off suboxone entirely. Sublocade
Please check out Sublocade shots to go through no withdrawal. I’m about to get off mine. I’m done with it. Good luck. Also Insupport helps with costs if needed.
Thank you for your post. I have a prescription of .01 Clonidine which I plan to use when I get down to 2mg. How long on Suboxone and how well did the Clonidine work and what strength did you take. Thank you, Chris.
@@TheSands83 I cut down to about .25 mg very slowly and I found that drinking grapefruit juice slows down the detox of the drug so that I actually dont have to take as much of it....also I found that if I have a shot of alcohol when the detox symptoms appear then I can get through it a little easier until my body adjusted to the lower dose. Not saying that you should heavy drink. Also I had some lithium orotate from the health food store and it really helps with the depression.
Yeah, I was the same way when I quit cold Turkey one time. 2 to 3 week point is the hardest mostly cause it's incredibly hard to go to sleep and the least little bit of urine will wake you up to have to go to the restroom. After one month its manageable but low energy level and after 3 or 4 months it gets better, somewhere around month 6, I started feeling much better and noticed that I felt more motivated to do things.
On day 5 without it and I have zero energy still. I can barely stand upright at times and just want to fold in half. Kratom is the only thing that's helped me but you got to want to quit or you could easily trade one for the other. But it helps! I started a low dose of like 2 grams. I sleep every night so far if only 4 to 6 hours. What poison suboxone is!
I was put on this as a pain killer. I have no history of opioid abuse. 4 years in I had to stop as the doctor thought it was causing a health issue. It ruined me. Sounds extreme but I went completely insane . 7 months in a brain fog so thick I barely remember 2023. I began engaging in high risk behaviors that I was into during my active alcoholism. I have been sober 5 years but it was like I was drinking again. Despite an ambundance of prescribed sleeping meds, I was wired for days on end , eventually crashing for 18-24 hours and missing important appointments and dates. No therapist seemed to understand my issue. Not one ever met anybody who came off of it. Who knew not taking substances would make you appear very much as a person who took substances all the time. Thanks for sharing your experiences, by the looks of some, some people did not struggle as much. Maybe my wiring was screwed at the time. I did a lot of damage but eventually came around again.
Hello.. I’ve been on subs for 5 years.. only started taking for pain as I have peripheral neuropathy so so bad and RLS.. it definitely stops that but I split my films and a 12 last me 2 or 3 days and a 8 mg last me one or one and a half days.. now I’m so sick of these strips running my life.. I’ve never had opiate issues not pills at all.. never had an addiction in my life and I’m 65 yrs old but live with alot of pain.. I want off of them SO SO BAD.. I cry with depression from it .. but I’m bad about taking the exact same part of the strip daily.. could that be my problem ??? I need help so so bad.. I’ve never had cravings for opiates just this crazy addictive suboxone.. any suggestions ?? Dr says it hold on tight to our receptors in our brains that’s why it’s so hard to get off..
That happened to me twice. I made it 3 weeks twice and was like " I have shit to do". The second time was easier because I took kratom. Both times I tried cold turkey. I'm pretty over it at this point so I'm being patient. Because I know what it could be. I'm just going to take a crumb here and there when I can't take it anymore "to function" so long until my body adjusts to everything. I do believe that's the way to do it. I also think just not taking it for a few days just to see how potent the drug is for your mentality is good too. It's a shame to say a lot of people will be on it for the rest of their lives. I won't. I appreciated the mind clarity I got from being off it. It really all boils down to your body being dependent.
Always wondered if kratom would be helpful in coming off subs. I had a stint with dependency on oxycodone, and used kratom for years after which is probably the only thing that kept me from being hopelessly addicted to the oxy. It likely saved my life. Clean from it all now. Never used subs, but hearing these stories of getting off replacement meds sounds worse in some cases than the opioid they replaced.
I've literally lost track of how many years I've been on this stuff now... what I wouldn't give to be able to drop it entirely. I fear the day I have to confront that...and how that will end up.
It's one thing to say that, but in practice... I get it, believe me I do. I really wish it wasn't so expensive to get the type of in patient help a person could get, as I think someone else being there, controlling that, would probably be far more successful. (if I'm being honest; for me anyway)@@John33gfed
Start taking qtrs now bud and save your extras to break down and ween off. I’ve followed the Ashton manual pretty much at my own comfort level.. just make sure u don’t get cut off. I always had that fear and it happens but I was smart enough to save just incase that happened. And it did… I can take this as a sign to finally get off or go back to dr not feel like shit and continue to live like a robot but not in fear. I feel like it’s gonna take years off my life if I continue, 34 now… any older I could have severe health issues with withdrawal and I’m not really looking forward to dying from coming off meds
I was on Suboxone for a few years, and I came up with a way that made getting off of it much easier. When I was ready to stop taking it, I did so, and once the withdrawal symptoms started to hit, I took 10mg of methadone. That allowed me to sleep and not have all the joint aches that accompanied the WD. Methadone has such a long half-life that, by the time it wore off, most of the Suboxone withdrawal was over with. I would like to hear what your medical opinion of such a strategy is. I think that kind of crossover approach could really help a lot of people.
I like your approach… I never tried methadone, but I have weaned Suboxone, and supplemented some days with Kratom. I just didn’t want to put more suboxone in my system. My major complaint is LETHARGY! Does methadone help fight off lethargy?
@@John33gfed Yeah I’d say so. A little Methadone will get rid of all the joint aches and jitters and whatever else it is that makes you just want to lay in bed and say f*ck the world
I'm glad I was over 40 when I got on suboxone and after taking it 2years my sex drive was ZERO..I'm so glad I got off from it..if someone wants to quit suboxone make up.ur mind and quit trust me u will be glad that u did..but don't start experimenting with other drugs after ur clean..I have alot more energy and get alot of work done now comparing to when I was on suboxone or any other drugs
Yes! I’m so glad you said that suboxone withdrawal had my literarily crying I’m not emotional or unstable I don’t have any mental illness issues and this shit really fucked my head up had
I hear ya!! I can tell you it’s a much worse when you also have mental issues like ptsd, trauma, and maybe autism. I have clinical depression already…it’ll probably make me suicidal.
I'm not sensitive either, when I was withdrawing the song the bells of notre dame came on a Disney movie and I legitimately broke into tears because of how "beautiful" the singing was. I'm a straight man who's never had a thought like that EVER. The bigger issue I had with the withdrawal was heaving voices and seeing shadows move on the wall.
You're not gonna overdose or die on suboxone, it saves many lives and allows people to be perfectly healthy on it. But the withdrawal is insane, you'll be lucky to have severe flu symptoms/major sleep deprivation for 2-3 weeks. It was over 21 days for me before I felt like I could function even partially
@@mcw-lg2dm thanks. What about sweating? My shirts are completely drenched, after doing just moderate physical labor- it’s abnormal and it’s Frustrating. Doctors are no help. They can’t give any explanation either, or tell me when I will go back to normal perspiration.
The reason it's so hard to get off suboxone is you aren't chasing a high. You're chasing normalcy. That's all it is. Suboxone doesn't get you high except for maybe the first 2 times you take it. After that it's about maintaining the status quo and if your body senses any slight deviation of that, it's off to the races so to speak. I'm in day 4 of detoxing right now, been taking suboxone for 12 years. Biggest mistake of my life. I should have just gone back to pills and then detoxed from that because that was easier than this.
I completely agree with you!! Suboxone is not for everyone. I got dependent on prescription pain meds I never did any street drugs, or abused. I wish I never got on Suboxone and I should’ve just weaned off of the pain med. This is something that doctors need to take into consideration- not everyone needs Suboxone! I am almost completely weaned off of it, but it took several months.
@John33gfed Good for you bro. When I started taking it, insurance didn't cover suboxone visits so the doctor charged like 100 bucks a visit. If you're one of the few doctors around able to subscribe it, why would u not get ppl on it long term at 100 a pop? Anyway, I strongly recommend using kratom when it's time for you to fully stop. It helps take the edge off like u wouldn't believe. Within 5 days I was feeling pretty normal besides some yawning and lack of energy. The 2 times I tried before without kratom, I couldn't get passed 3 days.
@@dazed1nyc thanks- yup, I’ve been using Kratom for a while- only when needed. As most know, Kratom can be addictive also- but Kratom used properly- is a great tool! Asswipes are trying to make it illegal though-
Tried Suboxone before getting clean been a opiate addict for 15 years was on methadone for the past three years and happy to say that I am 11 days clean and never going back
It upsets me that Dr B Addiction and Recovery has tons of views and a well informed doctor like this one has 800 subscribers and only a couple thousand views.. You are well informed and spreading great info. Keep It up doc 👍
Dr B is a great knowledgeable Doctor just like Dr Coleman is. Dr B produces a lot of content because he has people handling it for him. He doesn't edit or anything himself & a lot of people share his videos so, they get more views & more subscribers. If Dr Coleman had a team doing his YT account & they mass shared his content & had the subscribers do it as well, he'd have more. But, dogging on Dr B when he's well versed in addiction etc is ridiculous!
@@jenniferv618 this doctor says suboxone is good for who it's good for.. Dr B thinks every addict needs to transition to suboxone and if they want to get off suboxone he is against it. He has said it in his own videos.. I'm highly against MAT with the current medications. A longer half-life, higher affinity for the opiod receptor is idiotic to transition to in my opinion.. that's why suboxone is so hard to kick, when kicking heroin or fentanyl would be easier. Like this doctor said, it just takes attitude and lifestyle change.. which alot of people can have while using. And that's why I appreciate this guys POV.
I was on it for for 15 years. I had a massive heart attack in January 2023, got morphine and nitroglycerin at the ER,,I flattened twice for a total of 26 minutes then was put on a Lucas machine for another 30 minutes being transported, point is I had serious carjacked ribs when I woke up a week later. I had been off the suboxne a week and on a IV drip of Fentanyl, Propofol and Versed for about 8 days. Then on morphine and other painkillers until 1/19 and had open heart surgery ( more anesthesia) and more morphine and other pain medication I can’t remember for another week in ICU. So I basically went through some withdrawals when I was allowed to go home x month after the heart attack. I don’t know if the suboxone caused any problems while I was unconscious but I wish I had gotten off it 12 years ago when I was dawn to 1/8 -1/16 of a tablet. This was before the film. Anyway I off now!!!!
I was on 1.5 films for about 4 years. I’ve gotten down to 1/5th of a strip. Didn’t take it yesterday nor today and feel alright. I’m having surgery next week and am worried suboxone will block the pain killers… any advice is appreciated
Congratulations! Hey did you have a near death experience? Any vivid dreams or visions? You may not even remember, since you were on Versed though. As you know, that drug steals your memories.
This is one of the better videos I have seen. And this is exactly how it is. You can get down to a quarter of an 8 mg tablet a day and you can still be okay and feel fine. But you start trying to go lower than that and that's when you start feeling some effects. I think the key is to get down to that 2 mg mark and start doing less and less and then start implementing days where you skip days. Put yourself into a little discomfort but not complete withdrawal. You have to get to that point to where you can still function but you feel a little bit bad. I think if you pair this with exercise and a good diet that it will allow you to work out and help with your sleep and natural endorphin production. I was able to get about 6 years ago. And that's how I was able to do it. I would not take anything until I absolutely couldn't stand it and then I would take a sliver. I got down to the point to where I could take a couple crumbs and it would level me off. Then I started skipping days and then I started getting three or four days go by where I was pretty much taking nothing and I knew I could do it at that point. Unfortunately an addicts mindset they get scared and my doctor appointment was coming up and I knew if I didn't go back then this would truly be it. If I could only rewind time back to that day there's no telling how much better my life may be today. I'm going to try to give soon and get off but unfortunately I've been on it well over a decade and I think I'm going to struggle physically. It doesn't bother me too bad mentally as far as cravings. I just can't stand being sick and feeling bad while trying to work a job.
you can do it man i had a 5 year suboxone addiction jumped off from 8 MG used kratom for a month then jumped off that and it was a rough first week then everyday was better from that point on until i forgot all about it. 4 years later relapsed. Went another 5 years on subs. Decided to stop again doing the same method i am on day 2 i am not going back. jumped off from 8 MG again also. It can be done just have faith
Hello Dr. I have been off subs for about 30 days now ( on 8mg for 10 years ) i feel like i have passed the worst part of it but now i am just soooo tired and all i want to do is sleep. I am so weak and tired. I am taking a multi vitamin. Any ideas on how to regain my energy? Thanks
I'm tapering Subs after about 9 years of 8 to 16 mgs daily. I have burning pain in my upper stomach after I take my dose. Can't wait to free myself from this drug, I feel like I have become a different person. No social life, no appetite, and alot of depression.
It totally changed my personality, took away my creativity, my sex drive and just didn't care about anything anymore. I was on 7 yrs tapered to 1mg for a year should have cut to a 50mg then every other day. The longer you can taper her to better off you'll be I am on day 21. Forget sleeping normal for months an no energy for the first few weeks. You get exhausted easily. Listen to your body.
@@MsBleauI've been off for 18 months and after the first 6 my libido was restored big time😂. My appetite returned with me craving healthy food s. I started working out then quit smoking after 38 years. Stay the course. Good luck to you
I don’t think suboxone or bup should be given to an addict for longer than 7-10 days. As an addict I wasn’t able to control my sub/bup rx. I abused it.
My Dr kept me on suboxone for 9 years without ever lowering my dose. It's supposed to be used short term. I expressed to my Dr that I wanted to come off several times. He alway seemed to have an excuse to keep me on. Idk why? So I started to lower my dose and saving what i didn't use until I had two full bottles. After i had medication built up I decided not to go to my appointment and began taking myself down slowly. I got down to a literal crumb and still had withdrawal for about two week's. No sleep, cold sweats, and body aches. I just pushed through it. It's been over a year now and i feel great. The one thing I have noticed is weight gain. I hate this part.
Worst thing is this is that when you go to the pharmacy or Walgreens they always give you the worst trouble the employees that work there that’s why people end up falling short because I always had a prescription and I always had prove I never showed shady shit trying to cut corners
me too they are so mean to me ! I even try to wear office clothes and make up and hair and they still treat me like I’m literally living on the streets about to rob them
@@erikablu429 don’t let those people get to you. They have no right to be judgmental. Remember they are just unhappy and it makes them feel better to judge others instead of looking at themselves. 🖕them
I have one question.. Last year I had an motorcycle accident, and broke my leg (tibia,patella,knee,femur) almost everything.. Thank God after 6 operations and 1year off I'm walking again. So, I was on sub when it happend,and I didn't admit to doctors that I used it. At that time a got off, but they were given me opioids for pain (tramadol) and when I finished clinical treament I got back to Sub. Now I'm using 2mg daily, and I need to go back to hospital to have remove osteo sintetic material from my leg. I know it's not smart to keep your mouth shut about using,becouse anastesia,but I have my reasons why I'm keeping it as a Secret..
No. The doses are based off of what worked best in studies, and is called standard of care. And docs don’t get a dime extra if you are on a higher dose, or a lower dose or if you never bothered to fill the prescription….they get paid a flat fee unrelated to dose or prescriptions. If you fill a prescription - that money goes to the pharmacy only, not the doc. And they have no need to maintain patients…plenty of those naturally, and many addiction docs have wait times due to high demand. The lowest dose that works is the “best” dose, but the reality is that many need a higher dose for it to have an effect. It’s not a conspiracy, it’s just very difficult biochemically, and a hard process.
i went from 16mg to 0 after 12 years of use. it was ruff but after 25 days it got better. but i will tell you this the key for me was spacing my meds out. i would take 16mg every other day then every 2 days and so on so i could built up habbits where im getting through a day without taking my meds. after i made it to 16mg once every 4 days i jumped off and been off for 6 years this month.
@@williamwinn948 I’m still taking a micro dose of Suboxone. I have the 8mg/2mg orange strips. I cut a sliver( about a 16th of an inch, off the strip) it’s such a small amount, I don’t understand why I can’t get this shit out of my system when I’m taking such a tiny dose. Suboxone sucks! ( i mean, it has its place for some people, but I wish I just weaned off hydrocodone instead. Also, I sweat like crazy, I drip with sweat with Suboxone.
I went from 60mg of methadone to 20 mg and then i switched to 8mg of suboxone. I'm now down to 0,2 mg of Temgesics (also buprenorphine) after 10 months clean and sober and i still have bad withdrawals symptoms, especially at night when i lay in bed. I'm tired of it, i'm doing good and i'm happy with my life after 20 years on H and i'd like to be free of any substances. I think i have the lower dosage i can get, i try to cut them in half to make it 0,1mg but it's still bad. I don't really know what to do, i'm gonna have to ask my doc to look into Naltrexone i guess. I went 3 weeks in rehab last year and the doctor over there just don't want to see me when i call to get some help, he doesn't have time, he's too busy with too many patients... Apologies for my English and cheers from Belgium, thanks for the infos doc!
Exercise is the only thing that I found helpful every time I detoxed. You have to force your body to jumpstart it's own chemical balance. And exercise does that. It's short term pain for long term gain.
@@gooderish I'm exercising all day long, I'm a painter. After my day of work I'm dead. I stopped taking my 0,2 mg buprenorphine 8 days ago. No doctors could help me, I said stop, I'm doing it withdrawal Style. I slept 2h in a week. During the day I'm almost good but after that hell begins at night. I'm losing patience and I have bad thoughts. Hopefully my withdrawals will end soon, I can't take it anymore... In 4 days I'll be one year clean and sober after 20 years of addiction. The only thing who could make me relapse is the Suboxone. I curse the day I switched from methadone to buprenorphine.
@@leonidtodorovski635 Congratulations brother! I'm now 21 months clean and sober and believe it or not, I still have some withdrawal symptoms at night. I really struggle to get a good night of sleep. I'm tired of it but do I have a choice, not really. I wish you a good recovery, stay strong you got this! 💪
@@leonidtodorovski635 Congratulations brother, you got this. I'll be 2 years clean and sober on june 14th and believe it or not i still have withdrawals at night but it's bearable even though i have a hard time to sleep. I'm perfectly fine during the day.
Bepenorphine withdrawal is not that bad. You just have a hard time sleeping when stopping the medication. I just exercised like crazy to tire myself out to sleep. I also had Seroquel prescribed to me for sleep that worked quite well. 100mgs at bedtime and i would go to sleep like a baby. That is about it. I hope this helped. Goodluck.
My doctor made an error in prescribing my Suboxone and after a fairly high dose for 6 years in a row, I was forced to withdraw for four and a half days. Suboxone in a low dose is helpful for the initial stage of recovery. If you take it for years though it will turn on you and you will experience intense anxiety and agitated depression.
That's what happened to me why does it do that tho? I felt great fist 2 years or so then boom felt bad every day all day and took me soooooo long to get off of .5 mg
6 days, suboxone free, rashes on my body started disappearing that have been there for ten years. That's how long I was on it. I never put to N to together. Still not well but the worst is over. Still sneezing 25 times a day. And only sleeping 3 hours a night at most. Waking up 45 minutes between that. But my energy is coming back. Long hot showers were my only relief. I took 4 to 5 hot showers a day at the beginning. I know I still have a long way to go. I actually quit smoking. As the taste of a cigarette was repulsive. During withdrawal. All I really want to do Wright now is sleep. For a good 10 hours. And not have nightmares. Oh man this crap is so brutal to get off of. Day 17 its certainly better than day 6. My sinuses are still screwed up. Anxious alot through out the day. Still sneezing aolt. Still not sleeping wright. This is looking like its goinv to take months to get feeling normsl again. Suboxone is the new opiode epidemic. Funny it seems drug epidemics evolve from greed, ignorance., amd stupidity. From doctors and the pharmaceutical companies.
@@rickp3753 cant believe its been almost 8 months, just reading my post, made me feel really good. thanks for asking how I am doing. i really dont think about suboxone that much anymore. nor smoking cigs either. its also nice, not worring about running out of suboxone. it was this messed up time clock always in the back of my mind. its also nice to be able to say im drug free, except for caffine and sugar. ohh and i hear you on the sleeping, during the first 10 days, i tried dam near everything, sleeping pills, alchole, tea. nothing helped the first 10 days, i really didnt sleep. and congragulations on your sub. freedom. no more $200 dollar a month doctors visits feels nice huh?
I stopped cold for almost 3 months. Even at 3 months, I had 0 energy, was depressed, and could barely function at work. I ended up doing like 0.5mg or even 0.25 for a day. Then off for 3. Now I may have taken at least a little every day for the last week, and I feel either withdrawls again, or just the adjustment from something to nothing. Suboxone gives me incredible energy and works as an anti-depresdant, but I didn't realize until I stopped how much emotion had been stifled. What the hell do I do now? If I quit again today, my withdrawls won't be as bad as after 10 years. Its work. I can't function at a high level at work. I just didn't give my brain enough time to heal. The depression won this rd. I got the next!
This what I wanna know too , do u have to do it for a long period of time to get depended on it or is it after the first dose or couple of doses? … If I had to come up with an assumption tho I would say u would have be on it for a extended period of time whether that’s even a couple of weeks , to start to feel withdrawal from it just like any other substance… your body binds to things wants you feed it to it every single day so Ik me personally I’m not taking this shot everyday or even every other day … I was on percs for 2 months straight …today makes a week now off and I am starting to feel better but still very restless , a little body aches & imsonia for sure … that’s why u take the subs sometimes so I can go to work cuz bills must be paid lol but I’ve also been using kratom as well … either way u don’t wanna abuse non thing so I got a couple more days of this shit then I’m ready to get back to my self and conquer the fucking world
I got addicted to Suboxone within 2 weeks. I've been on it for 2 years. I went to jail for 270 days. First county, they gave me 16 mg. (What I was prescribed) then, when the home county came to get me, they laughed when I said can I have my sandwiches? (Subs) and gave me ibuprofen. They did give me my mirtazapine and symblalta. Which... Kind of helped. I felt crappy for 2 weeks then kind of just ate honey buns the next three months. Then I got out, to my entire script full in my belongings. Needless to say. Back on it. Legally. But I can't even imagine coming off of it. I didn't have any for about 4 days and boy, did my life get extraordinarily rough. I wasn't yet withdrawling physically. I had absokutely no energy, I was forgetting stuff. It was bad. Then I got the txt. Your rx is ready. Do you know my heart dropped. It's just another addiction. My advice to anyone, check yourself Into a phsyc ward or get arrested. That's how you can get off. And it's going to suck. It didn't really hurt that bad in jail? I guess because I KNEW I couldn't get it. But there was a pregnant girl in there. And she got them guess who I tried to be best friends with. This drug is an opiate. Idc about the agnostic. It's lik #4 on the strongest opiates list. Legal dope. I wish I never found it. Although, better than methadone. That was just extremely extremely extremely heart wrenching.
@@Dlupielive how did u make out I'm 12 days on subs now but I have many years high amount of opiate use was on methadone for 7 plus years also untill I weaned off it a few mts ago but I relapsed. I stared subs 12 days ago 8mg a day but last 3 days I only took 2mg and I don't feel bad tomorrow I wanna try 1mg take that for a couple days then maybe .5 mg for a couple days and stop. I'm hoping I'm not dependent on suboxone and it got me over the opiate withdrawal and I can stop suboxone before it's to late. I know I made a mistake I can't use even 1 time. I'm going to na meetings now and got a gym pass to naturally build up my dopamine and endorphins asap to combat cravings. I don't want to get trapped on suboxone I have read of people taking it for about 10 to 14 days and being able to stop with minimal withdrawal compared to people on it like a year or years.
I was on metherdon and suboxon for over 33years glad to say im clean now wen i detox my self off suboxon i droped 1ml everyweek and wen i detox my self off metherdon i droped 10ml everyweek im now nealy a year clean good luck everyone
@@aymenblv1542 no m8 im over a year and a halth clean now to be honest with you i wished id of doune it years ago an not wasted as much of my life i supose if you got depreshon you got get time to let your body get right
I’ve been on 8 mg for 3 mo. The sub lingual pill. I find it very inconsistent so I take 1=2 pill every 3 hours at the advice of the clinician. Still up and down and having periods of anxiety and can’t still my mind. And it makes me salivate like crazy so it’s hard to keep it under my tongue without swallowing. I wonder if the check strips would work better. I wish I could take an Ativan but I guess not. I’m having a rough time.
Suboxone saved my life - sure you replace one for another but I'll take suboxone over what I was doing prior any day. Better on my wallet, I'm no longer in a permanent haze and I''m no longer obssessed with planning on never running out.
This was a very ignorant statement. If you know nothing about the disease or medication, this is ignorant. The intent is neither. It is the way the body naturally reacts to these medications.
@@robinweaver159 its not very ignorant when you look at the way drug companies function, and their ties with corrupt politicians. They'd do alot of bad things to the public for money. They either ignore the suffering they cause or embrace it. Either way, drug companies do cause suffering.
Suffered a broken neck (c-1) almost nine years ago. Been on oxycodone 65-75mg per day until a month ago I switched to Bupenorphine and wish I could take nothing but my neck hurts 24/7.. guess it's nerve damage docs don't know but my life is now a catch-22. Damned if I do damned if I don't. Chronic pain sucks but so does oxy. So far I have fewer side effects with bup but also do experience more pain.. way better than just Tylenol/advil but just wish I could turn back the hands of time and stay out the octagon on that fateful Sunday. Anyhow, thanks for your video!
@@rickp3753 the last time I tried to quit I literally went 7 days with less than 45- 60 minutes of sleep a night. I started hallucinating so bad my Dr made me go back on Subs. I never had withdrawal symptoms this bad on heroin.
This guy is talking about “introducing Naltrexone “ to a drug that is already packed with Naltrexone. WTF is he even talking about ? Maybe he is not in the USA where they serve it in a non naltrexone version ie pure bupenorphine then they manually add it later to precipitate the hell.
Incorrect. Suboxone has Nalaxone in it which is inactive. It’s only activated if you shoot up the suboxone. Naltrexone is an opioid antagonist. Buprenorphine is an opioid and the main ingredient in Suboxone. Naltrexone helps push the Buprenorphine off the receptors allowing you to detox faster.
I was on methadone before Suboxone. I went from 85 mg down to 10 but then switched to Suboxone. I regret this because I could have just went off methadone straight from there but now I'm trying to get off Suboxone. I felt that it was easier to just go off methadone rather than Suboxone but Im not exactly sure. Is it easier to get off methadone at a low dose? Would you recommend going back to methadone to finally get off this stuff for good?
On day 5, detox off my tapper at about 1mg or more. I had to use kratom to help as I was in the worst pain I've ever had. Let me tell you it's saved my butt so far. Now, I can see how some would just trade one for the other, but if you're strong and want off with no intentions of continuing kratom, it will help. I can't wait to be rid of this poison.
@@cappy5634 I was considering Kratom. For $200 I can get a kilo of green kratom delivered. I worry that after using it , I might struggle to get off kratom. I read that after kratom, you can use DLPA to get off it.
@Crixus The Norman I will be very honest it is very tempting. Your will power needs to be strong. I'm still sick but I've been using a very low dose as I'm scared of it. I take just 3 grams daily. I've used red bali. Such a large amount would be very tempting. Just beware, please.
I cold turkeyed Suboxone and I was taking 4 8mg strips a day. It took me 7 days and all withdrawals went away. It’s about half the strength of a opioid withdrawal.
Is there any reason I should stop taking Suboxone? It’s been a miracle for the last 5 years, going beyond addiction treatment it seems to work as a sort of anti-depressant. Night and day difference compared to my life before. Btw, I detoxed at the Coleman Institute about 7 years ago for regular opiates, it was a fantastic facility. Was clean about 6 months, should have taken Naloxone daily but it was too easy to skip. I’ve been clean 5 years now on Bup and haven’t even had a single craving. Hoping I don’t get some terrible news that makes me reconsider staying on it
If you are stable on Suboxone, taking it as prescribed, working a good program, and not taking any other non-prescribed mood-altering substances, then you are “in recovery” in our view. There is no reason to disrupt this pattern if it is working for you. Congratulations and best wishes!
I’m 68 years old and was on opioids for pain from misdiagnosed Lyme disease. I quit opiates 4 years ago and was on suboxone. Never felt great on it. Tapered very slowly. I was down to 1/2 film of lowest dose and stopped 9 months later. This is day 48 off suboxone and still diarrhea, extreme fatigue and weakness walking. Maybe it’s my age, length of time originally on opiates. Not sure. Weird symptoms. Eyes burning, loud tinnitus, numbness bottom both feet, abnormal movement of my toes involuntary. I’m hoping when I reach the 2 month mark I’ll notice some improvement. Very hard to be active when so weak. I’m hydrating. Hopefully a light at end of this tunnel!!!
They make a long-acting injection form of the med called Sublocade, and alot of people have great success quitting from one 100mg injection. You should ask your doctor about it. It sounds like you stopped taking Suboxone at a dosage of 1mg, which doesn't seem like alot, but is waaay too much to jump from.
Very sorry to hear that, Laura. We have treated a number of patients who have had a similar experience: they attempted to self-detox using kratom but then ended up needing help to medically detox off of kratom, because that had created another set of issues.
@@thecolemaninstituteforaddi6234 I ended up using $80 of kratom a day and tried to go cold turkey off it in a hotel....i was drinking alcohol and still couldnt sleep for a week and then was suicidal another week and then I just gave up and went back to shooting heroin because I was so suicidal.....this was what a year of kratom did to me.... Worst detox I have ever done!! Kratom is garbage !!!
I just did a hard wean 32 mg a day to .2 in 5 days then off. This is my third day. I took a month of off work to withdrawal and just allow myself to get through it
I’ll tell you coming off of subs KILLS my endorphins. It’s like trying to suddenly carry a 400 pound body when you are usually a little over 100. The restlessness sucks. I already am as depressed as a person can get normally so that seems about the same. It makes me have sneezing fits coming off it too. I just went thru it and beat it 4 months ago. Then the devil brought me more. I can’t keep doing this to myself. The cravings are so strong. All I’d have to do is use my phone. I’m not afraid of change. I wasn’t happy on it so why keep messing with it. If I stay strong I’ll never have to go thru it again! I learned my lesson from methadone too. I was on it for almost 3 years. THAT withdrawal is INHUMANE! Enough so that I’m scared to ever mess with it again. (I actually learned from how awful it was. Usually I tend to think the immediate benefit out weighs the detox and methadone feels fantastic but it proportionally awful to come down from) I wish all of you luck, success, and happy withdrawals.
This is where I'm at. The crazy cycle of lowering my dose and feeling I've successfully lowered it to 3 to 4 days later being in full withdrawal in the middle of work. I've been on Suboxone for 7 years and I've been able to build and maintain a life. However this medication has killed my appetite to the point that I'm under a hundred pounds. And I'm almost 5'8. With the exception of my eyes not being dead my body looks exactly like it did the very day I decided to stop using heroin 7 years ago. I am so trapped it's unbelievable. I mean it did its job I was addicted to opiates for 17 years and the lifestyle that came with it. But I am so utterly trapped.
I felt the same way, but it never helped me build a life bc I used while on it. I eventually quit using everything else and was just on Suboxone but felt so trapped. It's a month of withdrawal and it sucked bad and I'm still struggling with depression and lack of energy. I'm 6 months off. I'm just trying to see it through.
maybe my thinking is off but idk why they don't precribe 1 or 2 weeks of a benzo to help with the taper. I don't like benzos on their own but whenever I'm going through any opiate/suboxone withdraw they are my #1 go to drug to help with WD and u don't get addicted on them taking them for a week or 2
When Naltrexone is used for detoxing a patient on 8mg of Suboxone film per day, what is the graduation for dosing naltrexone (ie; from day one to day 10)?
@@nawarjalo942 how u make to get of them bro??What was your daily dose in suboxone??I started in our national program before 5years and now I'm still in 6mg.I don't have energy more..I'm afraid that my lifetime will be with theese pills.Also I'm very depressed.
@@hopingtobewheatnotatare172 thank you. Night 28 and work again tomorrow, feel like I'm gonna lose it all but then when I pray i feel better. Even if I lose the job
Glad to hear that it is working in the most important way! It is a great treatment for many folks and we have ~100 patients using it at our Richmond office. For other people who are ready to move onto another phase in their recovery, we have developed an 8 day protocol to help people detox off buprenorphine and get onto the nonaddictive opioid blocker naltrexone, to help reduce cravings. Thanks for sharing your experience. Best wishes!
@@MickeyJLucky-zb1yg you gotta do what you gotta do, but it’s still a drug and you will still be ill once you realize it’s just a substitution I’m 16 days off subox I’m done with it, it robs you of you.
Ok so do i ask my docter for im depressedly trying to get off .ok so my friend is a suboxne docter in tampa i have to fly to tampa and she will give me a 7 day supply of something i d k what it is yet .but i cry every morning.im on alot of meds i call them straight deugs i went to doing pulls. To subs .its no different i dont feel clean .sometimes i just want it all ro stop i wont get out of bed for weeks .i have a friend who checks on me but she is in afacia and ahe is my support .im broken my bf killed himself ten years ago and im not over it
I wanted to get off prescribed OxyContin. Withdrawal was so awful, I requested and received Suboxone. I was sober for many years when I got addicted to pain killers and I was committed to getting clean. And I realized Suboxone was still part of the problem. So I took much less than doctor prescribed. And immediately started tapering the dosage. As this video points out, tapering does not really help withdrawing from Suboxone. A teeny tiny bit vs none brings on prolonged withdrawal symptoms. And it takes 2-6 months before anything resembling feeling normal happens.
I have been on bup for more than 11 years taking 24 mg a day. And I really do not want to stop and do not need to stop EVEN. I should stop takink clonopin.. but opioid substitution is different. I rather stay on it for all life than live like befor BUP. I am not able to stop. And why should I? It is just a med. Every morning routine. Nothing else. I pay NO money and I feel like a man. Thanks to BUP
If you are struggling with this, they make a long term buprenorphine shot, I didn’t take it but my father he was on 36mg a day, he didn’t experience one sick day and he has one year clean his last shot was 16 months ago. Your doctor will not bring it up. You must say this is what you need
You guys in these comments - and the doctor on this video - are ACTIVELY making me change my mind (at the very easy: seriously reconsider) going to the sub clinic next week… I’ve been a heavy fent used for far too long - and at the moment I am literally burning through $1,800 every single week- I was considering Suboxone… but these comments? And this video? It all … Like, it’s really THIS bad and THAT TOUGH to get off subs?! I’m so glad I found these videos before my appointment at the suboxone clinic… I’m going to cancel that now. There is NO WAY I want to be addicted to yet another horrible thing! F has already destroyed my life as it is!
Day6 today after 7 years of 12mg. Trick was do down fast to 4 then slower once you get to 1mg stay there a few weeks. Take .5 for a few days then quit. My withdrawal is almost over and I've slept almost every night using CBNo and for panic/ anxiety. Plus vitamin b6 b12 c passion flower and ashwaganda and 32 g protein shake everyday. And do everything you can to regulate your temperature. It'd near summer here and I'm using a space heater cause my bones feel like ice
Buprenorphine binds hard on the kappa and what makes it so good for recovery and cravings is also makes it harder to get off of. I'm on it for life, I just have come to realize this is a fact. But it's better than oxys and booze.
Not hard at all if done right. Take your time, don't be too hard on yourself. There is no "one" way to do this. A nice, slow taper combined with working on yourself(eating, exercising etc) and the right mind set. You will be fine🐸. U got this.
I took 8mg films for 16 YEARS. my doc and I tapered slowly down to. 25mg. I think .50 was the lowest I could go. It's been 5 months sub free and I feel great. The worst part was insomnia. The first few nights you could've hit me with an elephant tranquilizer and I still wouldn't sleep. I'm 57 and it's not too hard to stop. I'm free!
God Bless You
How much is .25??? As compared to 2mg?? I’ve tapered myself over months down to 2mg. I want this shit out of my life!!!!
Congratulations!!!!!!!
@@7eyesopenwide168.25 is a quarter mg. I think one half mg is the lowest you can go without symptoms. You can do this if I can.
@@rickp3753 I know I can too. I just need to know how to go about it.
I am currently one week in sober. Been on 12/16 mg a day for 7 years. About 2 strips. Im at the point in my life that I deserve to feel the shittiness of withdrawal for ever letting it go this long. Im doing this cold turkey. No alcohol. No weed. No drugs. I hate it controlling/having a say over my life. I already feel a little better and not as much anxiety/depression/numbness. Yes the no sleep really sucks along with body aches but I suck it up and sleep 3/4 hours a day. I just keep telling myself it wont be like this forever. And I can do it. I control my destiny. Good luck to everyone trying or going thru the same as me. Or even if you haven't started yet but wanna do it. The first step is one day. And then its one day at a time. Mind over matter. God bless.
How are you doing
You made a difference , after reading this I've committed to sobriety, no nothing. I've only been on suboxone for 2 weeks, 16 mg day. I deserve the pain thats coming to me, because of the pain I've cost my loved ones. Thankyou very much for sharing your story, and any advice on the process, including supplement or other health based methods, that might have helped you. Once again THANK YOU!
I’m about to make the jump. I was used to 8mg a day for the last 6 years. Past week I’m down to 2mg a day or less. I’m so tired of paying 15 dollars a sub and mostly looking and depending on it. I’m about to be completely out of subs. I have one 8mg pill left and I’m breaking it in the smallest pieces to tapper off then that’s it I’m also willing to take the pain that comes with it because I want to be free
@@mipapi9167 I was doing 1/8s x3 per day. Withdrawal was worse anyway. H was easy. Kratom helped me off box. Ive done everything, box is the devil. atleast with meth he doesn't hide Box, he just lays back, pluck your nerves.
Look into ketamine therapy, ibogaine off the darkweb. Box cause damage to the default actually potential on neurons. ion controlled voltage gates, they make neurons actually fire dopamine. I felt dead inside from the day I first day I took box, and even 5 years later.
im getting ibogaine, the science is neato. brain growth factor, neurogenesis, repaired action.
These crugs share something in common, It's what lsd, shrooms, dmt :) fixing brain fast hAs a certain affect.
also gut brain axis
Hope ur doing ok
Coming off buprenorphine was hell. I was tapered for five days, felt good for two after that and then the withdrawals hit me. A month of kicky legs, my head flapping side to side, serial sneeisng and mental anguish. Even now, three months later, I have kicky moments in bed at night, and my sleep is touch and go, but I've stayed clean.
I've got 6 months myself. Went 40 days with little to no sleep. Couldn't lie still. But I was never dopesick. I feel great now. Congratulations on your good fortune. We are both very lucky.
@@rickp3753 Well done, Rick.
I think you tapered too quickly. Don’t suffer, do a slow taper. I hate Suboxone too, I can’t wait to get my life back. Right now I’m taking a micro dose, and starting to feel like my old self again finally
Well done xx
Thank you. I've changed my youtube name but am still clean - eight months off opiates, six months off alcohol, six weeks off cigarettes. @@fionabell1744
wow this is one of the first drs that ive seen properly educated on suboxone, its like he has been through it on his own, Much respect
Thanks, Tradesmartt. Dr Coleman and Dr Swainey are both in long-term recovery from opioid use so they do have some firsthand knowledge about withdrawal, treatment options, etc.
@@thecolemaninstituteforaddi6234I found it can happen to anyone & that's great they're assisting others in recovery
My first suboxone doctor was amazing. He had struggled with opoids because of a boating accident. Almost lost his legs and now using crutches/cane to walk. He was the coolest, realest, most honest bad ass dr I ever had. He knew the struggles himself and had been there. I really appreciate Dr's who are honest. It makes you feel safe and that they really want to help you! Nice job❤
I was prescribed Suboxone for the last 2 years. Stopped taking it 3 days ago. It's not my first rodeo but sure as hell is my last. Feeling shitty but looking forward to feeling normal. Was taking 16mg a day to nothing. Smoking marijuana is my remedy. Restless legs at night suck but that's the price I pay for taking it for so long. Just got to get through it and remind yourself of the freedom you will obtain.
Thanks Lee... I tapered off for a #*@%^ YEAR! Jan, 14th was my first day without Suboxone. I'd been taking since 2011, Yes 10 YEARS! On Friday Jan. 14th I woke up with Full Blown Withdrawals. It;s been 8 days now and I can Function OK. Still twicking legs etc. at night, but I can sleep a little. SUBOXONE to me was a savior. I knew it would be hard to get off of. Fintynal patches were a breeze complared to this. God Bless you all and I hope you make it. I know I'll never touch opioids again.
@@mirrortime the lows in life make the highs that much sweeter. An arrow has to be drawn back before it is flung forward into it's desired target. I believe in you 💯 whether I know you or not. I don't care how many times it takes someone to get it right. Took me a few times to build up enough hate for the drugs to finally break free. Yeah 13 days ain't long...but my mentality now is I used to be an addict. I'm not anymore. Just like the day before I started taking opiates. It's just the days after.
@@gunnargaming8584 we are all in this battle together like you said whether we know one another or not. I wish you the best in your journey back to normalcy. We just have to really want to change for this to work and have a great support system around you. Not sure about you but I can't afford to go to a rehab so I'm solely doing this on my own and that's tough. The people who I thought were my friends could care less about me but I do have my family so I'm in a good space to see this through. This will be my 3rd attempt at trying to get clean.
@@dirtysouthfishing3674 you got this brother. Talk yourself up in the mirror if that's what it takes to get you pumped up to get through that day. Go all out. My mentality is that it's going to kill me if i don't get it right this time. It's life or death. And I want to live. This mentality has changed my whole life in the last 14 days. I was up late last night applying for drug addiction counseling jobs. People laugh when I say this but I'm going to war on the opiate epidemic. But it ain't funny or a joke. We need to support each other. We can't go to a doctor and have them give us another drug to avoid the symptoms. Those withdrawal symptoms are your body telling you "I'm going to war for you". I stopped being afraid of the symptoms. We aren't made of glass. If I have to get up in the middle of the night because someone is detoxing and doesn't have the motivation or energy to cook a meal, I wanna be that man. I am ready to devote and dedicate the rest of my life to attack and destroy this. It took 10 years from me. Almost lost my son. Both my mother and father died from drug and alcohol addiction. My little brother is still currently addicted to heroin. My older brother struggles with any pill. Not to sound arrogant but the addiction in my family stops with me. It's time to evolve and change the things that are destroying us. I appreciate you taking the time to respond to me. I am obsessed with learning everything about it aside from my own trials and tribulations. Like I said my number is 423-433-7437 if you or anyone needs someone to talk to too pass the time. All we need is time to heal. The strength is always there just have to regain it.
@@gunnargaming8584 Addiction runs in my family as well and it's just a vicious cycle. I'm 37 but im also the youngest so i can break the cycle as well. I hate to hear that about your family man I have no words. Just make sure your little brother doesnt keep fucking up. I've been taking opiates for 16yrs. Oxycodone is where it started at 21yrs old and just snowballs from there. I got bad on coke after that then meth then crack. I decided to quit all that and get on suboxone. I've been taking 16mg for just under 10yrs now and I weaned myself down to 1mg in 4 months until I took my last dose on January 14th. So today is only day 9 of this long journey. I think that's awesome you want to be a counselor in recovery, the people laughing at you are just haters or are just uneducated on addiction. Helping people in need is a great way to put your energy back in to those that are going through the same thing as we once did...talking past tense. We have risin above the ashes at this point. Man I wish you the best and my number is 769-226-8495 if you ever need someone to talk to as well. You are not alone. You got this brotha!
I feel like the opioid epidemic is so bad that no one thought ahead on how all of us patient on buprenorphine would feel years later and it’s sort of like another epidemic itself.
Yes! I'm now stuck on it for three years plus and I'm saving up to go to this ANR Clinic in Tampa FL they reset your brain to the way it used to be...under anesthesia
Completely agree! I’ve been on the shit for 10 years straight now. I have tried many times to quit and failed. I have found some things that help so I will be trying again soon
This was all part of the plan. Just a another tool for money. They don't give a shit
@@lauraestes9304 it’s not all it’s cracked up to be. I hope it works for you.
There is always a price to pay
I was on suboxone for 15 years. Two years ago I quit cold turkey. It’s similar to opiate withdrawal but lasts much longer. I didn’t sleep for two weeks and the symptoms lasted for months. It’s very difficult to come off you have to really want it
I was also on for about 15yrs. I finally just said I don’t want to be an old man still chained to this drug. I went from 16mg to 2mg in a month. Then I broke up the pills into the smallest pieces I could until I ran out.
The withdrawal was HORRIBLE! The first week was what you would expect. Miserable Opiate withdrawals. That was the easy part . The hard part was the next month and a 1/2 of feeling like trash 24 / 7. Literally not sleeping for days on end, depression and cravings and zero energy. But if you want to get free, it’s the price of admission. And it’s worth every horrible second! I still don’t sleep through the night after a year but I’ve learned to be fine with it. And I LOVE sleep. If I can do it anyone can. Best thing I ever did.
@@dwmueller76 I have been off 2 years 2 months and 11 days…I still get a chill or a little kick once in while to this day.
@@dwmueller76 did you taper properly. I hear that a lot, that everyone feels like shit for a month! Or the month after.
Probably be better to go cold Turkey
I did in jail no choice no help for us..
Glad you’re off- but you probably should have done a very slow taper- it’s a lot less suffering
I’m getting off this stuff this week. Going to treatment after 15 years of suboxone. I’m 31. My doc put me on it when I was 3 months off oxy and stupid as a 16 year old. I’m excited to put this in my rear view. I’m worried about the withdrawals, but will be in the best treatment facility in the country. Wish me luck
I wish you all the luck! I'm going on 4 years off suboxone and I'm not going to lie to you,it's going to be hell but just keep going and understand that you're going to feel normal again. It took me about 10 months to feel normal again but it's worth it, I promise you. Don't turn back to the drugs,or the sobos,it's not worth the sickness again. You got this!
Would love to know how you're doing
@@scoopskipotatoes1631How are you doing?
Good luck, you wrote your comment 8 mos ago. I would love a follow up.
How did it work out for you? please bare in mind if for whatever reason it didn't work out or you decided not to go through with it, nobody will think any less of you, because it's a difficult challenge at the best of times one that 90 percent of people don't succeed at.
i talk about this kind of thing on my channel. i'm on 12mg Subutex and collect weekly, live in UK. I like being on it cos i haven't used heroin since 2004
Ive came off Heroin, Oxy, Benzo you name it. Sub withdrawl is one of the hardest because of the half life and length. Day 8-9 was the worst. Coming off 2MG for 4 years. Day 18 and still having pretty severe withdrawal symptoms. No fun at all but will be so glad not depending on any type of medicine to live a normal life anymore. Its possible and you can do it if thats what you want to do
Where are you now and how long til you feel better? I read sublocade shot is the best way to quit this with zero withdrawal
@@familyman8644 Been totally off them and everything since July 31. Almost end of February and feel great all the way around. Have a little problem sleeping but not too bad. Really glad to not be relying on taking any medication to get through life
Methadone sucks big fucking time I didn't sleep for eight days the worst back and full body pain puked a gallon of fluid my second night in withdrawal
I'm on day 11 from methadone
Was actually able to go to work today it was tough but got threw
It's not that bad, and you can get off! Don't let these videos put doubt in your mind.
You will feel tired, a little depressed, diarrhea like no other.
Keep hydrated, eat right, pursue your passions, keep yourself and mind busy, exercise. You can do it!
How is the physical pain, compared to Heroin or Oxycodone?
I stopped Heroin 12 Days ago and have been using 1mg of Suboxone a day, usually one 8mg Subutex will last me 8 Days.
So am I doing good but making the tablet last for a whole week or more?
Or am I still going to feel excruciating pain like Heroin/Oxycodone detox and withdrawal?
@@RealGenuineTalk I'm going to be honest, I've never had to withdraw from heroin or oxy. I've been on Suboxone for 13 years.
I've been 10 days off of it now. I jumped off at .5mg.
If you're taking 1mg a day, I'd taper down to at least .5mg for a month before you jump off. Or even .25mg. everyone is different, but honestly it shouldn't be that bad. I definitely wouldn't jump off at 1mg a day though
My experience is with methadone. The withdrawals will be about the same. The difference for me is that when I’ve gotten off methadone I was mentally prepared so I could tolerate the physical withdrawals even though they were horrible. Getting off heroin/fentanyl was not that bad for me but I wasn’t mentally prepared so I kept relapsing. I’m back on methadone and I’m gonna taper all the day down going down 2 milligrams every 2 weeks. I’m still going to withdraw but I’ll be so focused I’ll be able to handle it. It lasts about a month but it’s so worth it.
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@@AV-sq3jb if you're going to try and insult someone, at least spell it right
Thank you Dr Coleman! And especially Joan Shepherd! I tapered from 16mg a day down to 0.5 a day. Once I got that low my life was miserable. I did the accelerated detox and it was easy compared to the hell I was going through prior. I did the detox in September 2019 and have remained clean since. The support and information you guys provide for after the detox was awesome. I’m a true believer in your method. I offer my sincerest thanks because I am free to live my life. Hell yeah!!!
Thanks for sharing this, Stephanie. Best wishes to you!
What’s an accelerated detox??
How long did the depression and low energy last for?
Stories like these make me have hope that one day ill be free
If you want to get off of buprenorphine, you must start running or exercising vigorously. If you don’t, it’s going to be unnecessarily difficult. You must get your endorphins rolling again.
I started working with dumbells when I jumped. Exercise and hydration are most helpful.
How are you supposed to exercise when your withdrawling?
If you taper slowly it's not bad. Seriously.@@nickabarca
@@nickabarcayou don't because you can't. People just aren't clear by what they mean. You can't excercise when your having severe withdrawals. I haven't been able to excercise for 2 months because of the severity of buprenorphine withdrawal symptoms. People don't understand the length of time and the severity of withdrawing from suboxone ... especially when you been taking it for decades. Like the doc said even coming of a dose of suboxone as low as .0.075 can be extremely difficult. It can take up to a year or longer to fully recover as far as sub-acute withdrawal goes. Each month that passes you'll feel better. The people in the short acting opioid group are actually much better off then someone very dependent (meaning several year's ) on long acting opioids like suboxone.
@@nickabarcathese are people that are passed acute WD, working out while still using, or who never had a serious habit. I’m the biggest advocate of physical exercise in recovery, on drugs, whenever. It’s extremely important. But nobody who’s actually seriously withdrawing is going to be doing anything “vigorously” lol. Let alone running or lifting weights. You can’t even make it to the toilet to puke when you’re withdrawing yet you’re supposed to sprint around the neighborhood? Haha not gonna happen unfortunately
I been stuck on Suboxone for 5 years now and I hate it . It's no different then being on the dope still hiding from the detox all this time . I want out no matter what it takes at this point I want the chains off my wrist and neck I'm ready to give it a go and see where it takes me I want to be myself not depending on something to get through the day I know I can because I lived a good life until I got on the drugs I can get it back I want it back and I deserve to be sober .
Oh I feel this big time. I hope you find your answers ❤️
How are you doing?
I felt the exact same way before I got off of Suboxone, I was so sick of living that way having to be dependant on something every single day...I'm not on any kind of medication at all anymore and it feels great. You can do it!
Stay strong and good luck!
How did it go? I am so there. I just decided to cold turkey from 6mg. And I’m on day three and honestly I’m not bad. A little antsy, a little insomnia, a little lethargic, less patient but omg compared to a withdrawal from fentanyl where I don’t get off the couch? I went to WORK today. I couldn’t take a SHOWER off fentanyl. Honestly, I feel like if you’re really done in your mind, and you’ve also experienced the hell of fentanyl withdrawal or omg even worse, precipitated withdrawal when you take the subs too soon (holy sh*t THAT’S the worst) if you remember THAT withdrawal, this shit doesn’t hold a candle to it. I’m sorry for all the bad experiences but I’m praying every morning, I REALLY want off it, and I’m just telling myself there’s no other way, this HAS to be it. Good luck to all.
@@jamesm2359 I'm still on the Subs it's been a battle but this is what keeps me straight for now it what I'm gonna do still feel stuck on a hamster wheel but not chasing dope so I'll take it . I do remeber them awful withdrawls taking meds too soon . They were the worst I wish you well on your recovery journey. One day at a time
Oh god brings tears to my eyes iv been there
Clonidine can help with restless legs. I tapered from 20mg/day (8-8-4) to .25mg a day (.25-0-0). This Doctor at 2:19 saying 0.075 was a big dose for this guy is REAL. This Doc is also smart by assuring you that your energy level won't recover for a few months. Exercise, Clonidine and a FAT diet (eat as much as you care and don't look back) can help you. Experiencing huge depression is normal. Weed can help a lot if you can get it. If not, a drink or 3 "now and then" might help you through your worst. Think, smoke (a cig or weed) and take a drink before you cave to the opioid. You can do it.
There's also a medication over the counter called hylands restless leg. It's amazing, it's dissolves, and it really works. You take it and ten min later you don't even have restless legs anymore. Idk if it'll help with withdrawal but the restless part it may.
Substituting was how I’ve managed to quit so many drugs but, eventually you will have to quit what you are doing to try to quit lol
I quit fentanyl in 2019, I was aware of the difficulty of coming off suboxone. The doctor was trying hard to get me on it, I did not want to. He was raving about the success he had had with patients, saying tapering down would be easy when the time came, years down the road. I had to ask him four or five times, directly, how many of his patients had successfully quit suboxone. He finally answered...zero. While I understand the benefit it can provide, saying no to all opioids and going through a tough cold turkey was one of the best decisions of my life. Four years later, sober and no looking back!
Thank you for sharing your story, Tres Fort. Buprenorphine can be a great treatment for many people, and we have about 100 such patients in Richmond. We also think it’s important that people understand the pros and cons before starting any mode of MAT for opioids-whether it is methadone, buprenorphine, or naltrexone. Our historical expertise has been in getting folks quickly detoxes off of opioids (including buprenorphine and methadone) and onto the long-acting opioid-blocker naltrexone to reduce cravings and help people get stable in early recovery. No one path works for everyone. Very glad to hear that you found the right path for you. Best wishes!
@@thecolemaninstituteforaddi6234 Thank you, and I am glad to hear that it sounds like you consider informed consent a priority for any treatment. Cheers!
You were just done and when your done yup you guessed it your done lol me too
I’ve been on suboxone since 2015. Currently on 4mg daily. My doctor lately has really been pushing me to lower my dose. I’m really having a hard time imagining life without suboxone. It’s scary for me, definitely don’t want to go back to using drugs and dealing with the shady people. I’d rather die honestly
Is the suboxone affecting your teeth?
I can completely understand your situation. I was going to stop taking Suboxone and I kept lowering it and lowering it and then I ended up calling my Suboxone doctor and getting back on it. It really helps me sleep great at night it takes away my restless legs and yes it covers my cravings. I have been sober for two years and I really don’t think about abusing pain meds at all anymore I don’t have the urge at all to take them. But I have a great doctor andMy doctor is very supportive of me and I am so glad he understands that I still need it. I would suggest you find a better doctor that is not pushing you to stop the Suboxone. I wish you the best of luck and I hope you can stay on this so it can give you the peace and help that it does. Take care God bless.
@@michellefain4730 has it affected your teeth? I’ve been on it 40 days and my front teeth are already extremely sensitive to room temp water even.. I’ve never had a tooth problem in my life..
@@dustyolnut9734 well seems like you do now 😂
@@dustyolnut9734 Suboxone 100 percent isnt good for your teeth I have to brush twice a day with very good toothpaste otherwise they would decay at a faster rate then normal
This is the best Dr I’ve seen on RUclips talking about this, thank you!
Thanks for your kind feedback, Jered. Best wishes!
I just wanted to let you know that I have gone on Suboxone and I just got off of it 12 days ago. I suffer from severe severe restless leg syndrome. I have had times where I cannot sleep and all I do is thrash my legs so hard I bounce off the bed for eight hours and this happens over and over and over it’s like torture. I finally talked to a Doctor Who had wrote two books on restless leg syndrome. And she told me to take magnesium. So I have been taking 1000 mg of magnesium at night and my restless legs are gone even after stopping the Suboxone. Most people with restless leg syndrome Need to take a lot of magnesium because they are magnesium deficient. Good luck and God bless you. Trust me on the magnesium, it works miracles for us this leg syndrome. And yes I take 1000 mg every single night and no restless leg syndrome at all.
Thanks for sharing. That's one of the hardest parts for me, other than the psychological aspect
Thank you for that information!!
I was taking magnesium for the same reason but my physician told me to stop taking it because it can cause strokes in patients without a deficiency. I only say this because I was unaware of the dangers of something you can buy at any dollar store. also I'm glad to hear that it works for you. I also suggest talking to your Dr because they can tell you whether it's safe for You or Not.
Still get RLS but it helps 80-90%
@@TheSorcererAhrimanahsul thank you for your comments. I have talked to my doctor and my blood work said that I was low on magnesium even though I was taking 500 mg every night so he told me to take 1000 mg every night. I am magnesium deficient. But right now I am down to just taking 500 mg at night. Restless legs has really been a problem for me in the past but I really don’t have any issues with it at all anymore and I am very thankful for that and grateful because it was so awful kicking for 6… 7…8 hours!I think God I don’t have to deal with that anymore.
I pray we all recover nd never relapse so help me Allah😩
Well put, Cape Town. Best wishes to you!
Excellent explanation
This man understands very well
I was on suboxone for 9 years until I found out about sublocade a once a month shot. I did 6 months, 6 shots and then I just stopped and found out the withdrawal was almost nonexistent. Been clean now for 9 months. It really was a miracle for me because I am positive I never could taper off suboxone entirely. Sublocade
Today is day 13 of the subs. I lost my brother in February to drugs. It hasn't been easy but I am strong.
Please check out Sublocade shots to go through no withdrawal. I’m about to get off mine. I’m done with it. Good luck. Also Insupport helps with costs if needed.
The dose response curve of bupe is crazy. Clonidine is a great way to help with the withdrawals and continue to taper past 2mg.
Thank you for your post. I have a prescription of .01 Clonidine which I plan to use when I get down to 2mg. How long on Suboxone and how well did the Clonidine work and what strength did you take. Thank you, Chris.
BTW currently down to 4mg.
@@chrisqui6685 That’s a perfect amount. Don’t take any more than you need, it can cause you to feel dizzy and cause low blood pressure.
@@chrisqui6685 that's how many milagrams I'm taking is 4mg
@@5urg3x YES! Thanks Nick!
I'm on Suboxone and it sucks because without it I feel like crap. I can go about 2 to 3 days without it but after that I feel like I have no energy.
@@TheSands83 I cut down to about .25 mg very slowly and I found that drinking grapefruit juice slows down the detox of the drug so that I actually dont have to take as much of it....also I found that if I have a shot of alcohol when the detox symptoms appear then I can get through it a little easier until my body adjusted to the lower dose. Not saying that you should heavy drink. Also I had some lithium orotate from the health food store and it really helps with the depression.
@@lauraestes9304 oh fuck ! alcohol makes it worse for me..
Yeah, I was the same way when I quit cold Turkey one time. 2 to 3 week point is the hardest mostly cause it's incredibly hard to go to sleep and the least little bit of urine will wake you up to have to go to the restroom. After one month its manageable but low energy level and after 3 or 4 months it gets better, somewhere around month 6, I started feeling much better and noticed that I felt more motivated to do things.
Me too, the withdrawal at day 3 is hell. I can never get past day 4. The chills and yawning is unbearable.
On day 5 without it and I have zero energy still. I can barely stand upright at times and just want to fold in half. Kratom is the only thing that's helped me but you got to want to quit or you could easily trade one for the other. But it helps! I started a low dose of like 2 grams. I sleep every night so far if only 4 to 6 hours. What poison suboxone is!
I was put on this as a pain killer. I have no history of opioid abuse. 4 years in I had to stop as the doctor thought it was causing a health issue. It ruined me. Sounds extreme but I went completely insane . 7 months in a brain fog so thick I barely remember 2023. I began engaging in high risk behaviors that I was into during my active alcoholism. I have been sober 5 years but it was like I was drinking again. Despite an ambundance of prescribed sleeping meds, I was wired for days on end , eventually crashing for 18-24 hours and missing important appointments and dates. No therapist seemed to understand my issue. Not one ever met anybody who came off of it. Who knew not taking substances would make you appear very much as a person who took substances all the time. Thanks for sharing your experiences, by the looks of some, some people did not struggle as much. Maybe my wiring was screwed at the time. I did a lot of damage but eventually came around again.
Hello.. I’ve been on subs for 5 years.. only started taking for pain as I have peripheral neuropathy so so bad and RLS.. it definitely stops that but I split my films and a 12 last me 2 or 3 days and a 8 mg last me one or one and a half days.. now I’m so sick of these strips running my life.. I’ve never had opiate issues not pills at all.. never had an addiction in my life and I’m 65 yrs old but live with alot of pain.. I want off of them SO SO BAD.. I cry with depression from it .. but I’m bad about taking the exact same part of the strip daily.. could that be my problem ??? I need help so so bad.. I’ve never had cravings for opiates just this crazy addictive suboxone.. any suggestions ?? Dr says it hold on tight to our receptors in our brains that’s why it’s so hard to get off..
I was off it a month and was still feeling the worst withdrawal even after a month, they set us up and got us on a drug we can never stop paying for
That happened to me twice. I made it 3 weeks twice and was like " I have shit to do". The second time was easier because I took kratom. Both times I tried cold turkey. I'm pretty over it at this point so I'm being patient. Because I know what it could be. I'm just going to take a crumb here and there when I can't take it anymore "to function" so long until my body adjusts to everything. I do believe that's the way to do it. I also think just not taking it for a few days just to see how potent the drug is for your mentality is good too. It's a shame to say a lot of people will be on it for the rest of their lives. I won't. I appreciated the mind clarity I got from being off it. It really all boils down to your body being dependent.
Always wondered if kratom would be helpful in coming off subs. I had a stint with dependency on oxycodone, and used kratom for years after which is probably the only thing that kept me from being hopelessly addicted to the oxy. It likely saved my life. Clean from it all now. Never used subs, but hearing these stories of getting off replacement meds sounds worse in some cases than the opioid they replaced.
I've literally lost track of how many years I've been on this stuff now... what I wouldn't give to be able to drop it entirely. I fear the day I have to confront that...and how that will end up.
Do a sloooooow taper…( months) you won’t have to suffer.
It's one thing to say that, but in practice... I get it, believe me I do. I really wish it wasn't so expensive to get the type of in patient help a person could get, as I think someone else being there, controlling that, would probably be far more successful. (if I'm being honest; for me anyway)@@John33gfed
Start taking qtrs now bud and save your extras to break down and ween off. I’ve followed the Ashton manual pretty much at my own comfort level.. just make sure u don’t get cut off. I always had that fear and it happens but I was smart enough to save just incase that happened. And it did… I can take this as a sign to finally get off or go back to dr not feel like shit and continue to live like a robot but not in fear. I feel like it’s gonna take years off my life if I continue, 34 now… any older I could have severe health issues with withdrawal and I’m not really looking forward to dying from coming off meds
I was on Suboxone for a few years, and I came up with a way that made getting off of it much easier. When I was ready to stop taking it, I did so, and once the withdrawal symptoms started to hit, I took 10mg of methadone. That allowed me to sleep and not have all the joint aches that accompanied the WD. Methadone has such a long half-life that, by the time it wore off, most of the Suboxone withdrawal was over with. I would like to hear what your medical opinion of such a strategy is. I think that kind of crossover approach could really help a lot of people.
I like your approach… I never tried methadone, but I have weaned Suboxone, and supplemented some days with Kratom. I just didn’t want to put more suboxone in my system. My major complaint is LETHARGY! Does methadone help fight off lethargy?
@@John33gfed Yeah I’d say so. A little Methadone will get rid of all the joint aches and jitters and whatever else it is that makes you just want to lay in bed and say f*ck the world
@@John33gfedMethadone will make you drowsy.
I'm glad I was over 40 when I got on suboxone and after taking it 2years my sex drive was ZERO..I'm so glad I got off from it..if someone wants to quit suboxone make up.ur mind and quit trust me u will be glad that u did..but don't start experimenting with other drugs after ur clean..I have alot more energy and get alot of work done now comparing to when I was on suboxone or any other drugs
Awesome Video. Well explained
Thanks, Alex! If there are other topics you’d like us to do a video about, please let us know.
Good discussion man...
Yes! I’m so glad you said that suboxone withdrawal had my literarily crying I’m not emotional or unstable I don’t have any mental illness issues and this shit really fucked my head up had
I hear ya!! I can tell you it’s a much worse when you also have mental issues like ptsd, trauma, and maybe autism. I have clinical depression already…it’ll probably make me suicidal.
I'm not sensitive either, when I was withdrawing the song the bells of notre dame came on a Disney movie and I legitimately broke into tears because of how "beautiful" the singing was. I'm a straight man who's never had a thought like that EVER. The bigger issue I had with the withdrawal was heaving voices and seeing shadows move on the wall.
You're not gonna overdose or die on suboxone, it saves many lives and allows people to be perfectly healthy on it. But the withdrawal is insane, you'll be lucky to have severe flu symptoms/major sleep deprivation for 2-3 weeks. It was over 21 days for me before I felt like I could function even partially
You may lose 2/3 of your hair, speaking from personal experience
@@gamershark2521 on it or coming off it?
Was extreme fatigue, or lethargy one of your withdrawal symptoms? I suffer from lethargy, without Suboxone in me.
@@John33gfedYeah for sure, the fatigue and sleep deprivation were the worst.
@@mcw-lg2dm thanks. What about sweating? My shirts are completely drenched, after doing just moderate physical labor- it’s abnormal and it’s Frustrating. Doctors are no help. They can’t give any explanation either, or tell me when I will go back to normal perspiration.
The reason it's so hard to get off suboxone is you aren't chasing a high. You're chasing normalcy. That's all it is. Suboxone doesn't get you high except for maybe the first 2 times you take it. After that it's about maintaining the status quo and if your body senses any slight deviation of that, it's off to the races so to speak. I'm in day 4 of detoxing right now, been taking suboxone for 12 years. Biggest mistake of my life. I should have just gone back to pills and then detoxed from that because that was easier than this.
I completely agree with you!! Suboxone is not for everyone. I got dependent on prescription pain meds I never did any street drugs, or abused. I wish I never got on Suboxone and I should’ve just weaned off of the pain med. This is something that doctors need to take into consideration- not everyone needs Suboxone! I am almost completely weaned off of it, but it took several months.
@John33gfed Good for you bro. When I started taking it, insurance didn't cover suboxone visits so the doctor charged like 100 bucks a visit. If you're one of the few doctors around able to subscribe it, why would u not get ppl on it long term at 100 a pop? Anyway, I strongly recommend using kratom when it's time for you to fully stop. It helps take the edge off like u wouldn't believe. Within 5 days I was feeling pretty normal besides some yawning and lack of energy. The 2 times I tried before without kratom, I couldn't get passed 3 days.
@@dazed1nyc thanks- yup, I’ve been using Kratom for a while- only when needed. As most know, Kratom can be addictive also- but Kratom used properly- is a great tool! Asswipes are trying to make it illegal though-
Tried Suboxone before getting clean been a opiate addict for 15 years was on methadone for the past three years and happy to say that I am 11 days clean and never going back
It upsets me that Dr B Addiction and Recovery has tons of views and a well informed doctor like this one has 800 subscribers and only a couple thousand views..
You are well informed and spreading great info. Keep It up doc 👍
Dr B is a great knowledgeable Doctor just like Dr Coleman is. Dr B produces a lot of content because he has people handling it for him. He doesn't edit or anything himself & a lot of people share his videos so, they get more views & more subscribers. If Dr Coleman had a team doing his YT account & they mass shared his content & had the subscribers do it as well, he'd have more. But, dogging on Dr B when he's well versed in addiction etc is ridiculous!
@@jenniferv618 this doctor says suboxone is good for who it's good for.. Dr B thinks every addict needs to transition to suboxone and if they want to get off suboxone he is against it. He has said it in his own videos..
I'm highly against MAT with the current medications. A longer half-life, higher affinity for the opiod receptor is idiotic to transition to in my opinion.. that's why suboxone is so hard to kick, when kicking heroin or fentanyl would be easier.
Like this doctor said, it just takes attitude and lifestyle change.. which alot of people can have while using. And that's why I appreciate this guys POV.
I was on it for for 15 years. I had a massive heart attack in January 2023, got morphine and nitroglycerin at the ER,,I flattened twice for a total of 26 minutes then was put on a Lucas machine for another 30 minutes being transported, point is I had serious carjacked ribs when I woke up a week later. I had been off the suboxne a week and on a IV drip of Fentanyl, Propofol and Versed for about 8 days. Then on morphine and other painkillers until 1/19 and had open heart surgery ( more anesthesia) and more morphine and other pain medication I can’t remember for another week in ICU.
So I basically went through some withdrawals when I was allowed to go home x month after the heart attack. I don’t know if the suboxone caused any problems while I was unconscious but I wish I had gotten off it 12 years ago when I was dawn to 1/8 -1/16 of a tablet. This was before the film.
Anyway I off now!!!!
I was on 1.5 films for about 4 years. I’ve gotten down to 1/5th of a strip. Didn’t take it yesterday nor today and feel alright. I’m having surgery next week and am worried suboxone will block the pain killers… any advice is appreciated
Congratulations! Hey did you have a near death experience? Any vivid dreams or visions? You may not even remember, since you were on Versed though. As you know, that drug steals your memories.
This is one of the better videos I have seen. And this is exactly how it is. You can get down to a quarter of an 8 mg tablet a day and you can still be okay and feel fine. But you start trying to go lower than that and that's when you start feeling some effects. I think the key is to get down to that 2 mg mark and start doing less and less and then start implementing days where you skip days. Put yourself into a little discomfort but not complete withdrawal. You have to get to that point to where you can still function but you feel a little bit bad. I think if you pair this with exercise and a good diet that it will allow you to work out and help with your sleep and natural endorphin production. I was able to get about 6 years ago. And that's how I was able to do it. I would not take anything until I absolutely couldn't stand it and then I would take a sliver. I got down to the point to where I could take a couple crumbs and it would level me off. Then I started skipping days and then I started getting three or four days go by where I was pretty much taking nothing and I knew I could do it at that point. Unfortunately an addicts mindset they get scared and my doctor appointment was coming up and I knew if I didn't go back then this would truly be it. If I could only rewind time back to that day there's no telling how much better my life may be today. I'm going to try to give soon and get off but unfortunately I've been on it well over a decade and I think I'm going to struggle physically. It doesn't bother me too bad mentally as far as cravings. I just can't stand being sick and feeling bad while trying to work a job.
Thanks for the positive feedback. Hang in there!
This is what I’m going to do. What about your teeth have they been affected? And how are you doing now?
you can do it man i had a 5 year suboxone addiction jumped off from 8 MG used kratom for a month then jumped off that and it was a rough first week then everyday was better from that point on until i forgot all about it. 4 years later relapsed. Went another 5 years on subs. Decided to stop again doing the same method i am on day 2 i am not going back. jumped off from 8 MG again also. It can be done just have faith
Hello Dr. I have been off subs for about 30 days now ( on 8mg for 10 years ) i feel like i have passed the worst part of it but now i am just soooo tired and all i want to do is sleep. I am so weak and tired. I am taking a multi vitamin. Any ideas on how to regain my energy? Thanks
how much you take a day
I tooks subs for 12 years. My last sub was 11/24/2022 so I now have a full year without subs or any opiates.
Bro do you feel normal again ?
@@aymenblv1542 Exactly I want to know of someoneon here that was successful and all the truth about it.
Wish I wouldn't never taken it in the 1st place. Easier to get off pills than sub
I'm tapering Subs after about 9 years of 8 to 16 mgs daily. I have burning pain in my upper stomach after I take my dose. Can't wait to free myself from this drug, I feel like I have become a different person. No social life, no appetite, and alot of depression.
It totally changed my personality, took away my creativity, my sex drive and just didn't care about anything anymore. I was on 7 yrs tapered to 1mg for a year should have cut to a 50mg then every other day. The longer you can taper her to better off you'll be I am on day 21. Forget sleeping normal for months an no energy for the first few weeks. You get exhausted easily. Listen to your body.
@@MsBleauI've been off for 18 months and after the first 6 my libido was restored big time😂. My appetite returned with me craving healthy food s. I started working out then quit smoking after 38 years. Stay the course. Good luck to you
@rickp3753 Congratulations. Now, you can enjoy life again
I don’t think suboxone or bup should be given to an addict for longer than 7-10 days. As an addict I wasn’t able to control my sub/bup rx. I abused it.
My Dr kept me on suboxone for 9 years without ever lowering my dose. It's supposed to be used short term. I expressed to my Dr that I wanted to come off several times. He alway seemed to have an excuse to keep me on. Idk why? So I started to lower my dose and saving what i didn't use until I had two full bottles. After i had medication built up I decided not to go to my appointment and began taking myself down slowly. I got down to a literal crumb and still had withdrawal for about two week's. No sleep, cold sweats, and body aches. I just pushed through it. It's been over a year now and i feel great. The one thing I have noticed is weight gain. I hate this part.
- This was really Amazing😍
Worst thing is this is that when you go to the pharmacy or Walgreens they always give you the worst trouble the employees that work there that’s why people end up falling short because I always had a prescription and I always had prove I never showed shady shit trying to cut corners
I am in the UK and have the same experience with Pharmacists.
me too they are so mean to me ! I even try to wear office clothes and make up and hair and they still treat me like I’m literally living on the streets about to rob them
@@erikablu429 don’t let those people get to you. They have no right to be judgmental. Remember they are just unhappy and it makes them feel better to judge others instead of looking at themselves. 🖕them
They are affecting your treatment and you should launch formal complaints.@@erikablu429
I have one question.. Last year I had an motorcycle accident, and broke my leg (tibia,patella,knee,femur) almost everything.. Thank God after 6 operations and 1year off I'm walking again. So, I was on sub when it happend,and I didn't admit to doctors that I used it. At that time a got off, but they were given me opioids for pain (tramadol) and when I finished clinical treament I got back to Sub. Now I'm using 2mg daily, and I need to go back to hospital to have remove osteo sintetic material from my leg. I know it's not smart to keep your mouth shut about using,becouse anastesia,but I have my reasons why I'm keeping it as a Secret..
Could it be that doctors prescribe ridiculously high doses, not only during induction, but also during the maintenance stage?
No. The doses are based off of what worked best in studies, and is called standard of care. And docs don’t get a dime extra if you are on a higher dose, or a lower dose or if you never bothered to fill the prescription….they get paid a flat fee unrelated to dose or prescriptions.
If you fill a prescription - that money goes to the pharmacy only, not the doc. And they have no need to maintain patients…plenty of those naturally, and many addiction docs have wait times due to high demand.
The lowest dose that works is the “best” dose, but the reality is that many need a higher dose for it to have an effect.
It’s not a conspiracy, it’s just very difficult biochemically, and a hard process.
Nice video bro
i went from 16mg to 0 after 12 years of use. it was ruff but after 25 days it got better. but i will tell you this the key for me was spacing my meds out. i would take 16mg every other day then every 2 days and so on so i could built up habbits where im getting through a day without taking my meds. after i made it to 16mg once every 4 days i jumped off and been off for 6 years this month.
Awesome- did you suffer from lethargy? I’m not having withdrawals anymore- it’s just the terrible lethargy that kills me- cuz I have to work also,
@@John33gfed yes that was one of the worst parts for me and feeling empty sucked too. it does get better. how long have you been off them?
@@williamwinn948 I’m still taking a micro dose of Suboxone. I have the 8mg/2mg orange strips. I cut a sliver( about a 16th of an inch, off the strip) it’s such a small amount, I don’t understand why I can’t get this shit out of my system when I’m taking such a tiny dose. Suboxone sucks! ( i mean, it has its place for some people, but I wish I just weaned off hydrocodone instead. Also, I sweat like crazy, I drip with sweat with Suboxone.
Wait, you jumped from 16mgs to NOTHING 🤯🤯🤯
I been on it for 11 yrs and to scared to get off but it saved my life!
Very glad it is working for you. Best wishes!
I went from 60mg of methadone to 20 mg and then i switched to 8mg of suboxone.
I'm now down to 0,2 mg of Temgesics (also buprenorphine) after 10 months clean and sober and i still have bad withdrawals symptoms, especially at night when i lay in bed.
I'm tired of it, i'm doing good and i'm happy with my life after 20 years on H and i'd like to be free of any substances.
I think i have the lower dosage i can get, i try to cut them in half to make it 0,1mg but it's still bad. I don't really know what to do, i'm gonna have to ask my doc to look into Naltrexone i guess. I went 3 weeks in rehab last year and the doctor over there just don't want to see me when i call to get some help, he doesn't have time, he's too busy with too many patients...
Apologies for my English and cheers from Belgium, thanks for the infos doc!
Exercise is the only thing that I found helpful every time I detoxed.
You have to force your body to jumpstart it's own chemical balance.
And exercise does that.
It's short term pain for long term gain.
@@gooderish I'm exercising all day long, I'm a painter. After my day of work I'm dead. I stopped taking my 0,2 mg buprenorphine 8 days ago. No doctors could help me, I said stop, I'm doing it withdrawal Style. I slept 2h in a week. During the day I'm almost good but after that hell begins at night. I'm losing patience and I have bad thoughts. Hopefully my withdrawals will end soon, I can't take it anymore... In 4 days I'll be one year clean and sober after 20 years of addiction. The only thing who could make me relapse is the Suboxone. I curse the day I switched from methadone to buprenorphine.
14 moths clean here and still struggling a bit I was wondering how you feel right now ?
@@leonidtodorovski635 Congratulations brother! I'm now 21 months clean and sober and believe it or not, I still have some withdrawal symptoms at night. I really struggle to get a good night of sleep. I'm tired of it but do I have a choice, not really. I wish you a good recovery, stay strong you got this! 💪
@@leonidtodorovski635 Congratulations brother, you got this. I'll be 2 years clean and sober on june 14th and believe it or not i still have withdrawals at night but it's bearable even though i have a hard time to sleep. I'm perfectly fine during the day.
Bepenorphine withdrawal is not that bad. You just have a hard time sleeping when stopping the medication. I just exercised like crazy to tire myself out to sleep. I also had Seroquel prescribed to me for sleep that worked quite well. 100mgs at bedtime and i would go to sleep like a baby. That is about it. I hope this helped. Goodluck.
My doctor made an error in prescribing my Suboxone and after a fairly high dose for 6 years in a row, I was forced to withdraw for four and a half days. Suboxone in a low dose is helpful for the initial stage of recovery. If you take it for years though it will turn on you and you will experience intense anxiety and agitated depression.
That's what happened to me why does it do that tho? I felt great fist 2 years or so then boom felt bad every day all day and took me soooooo long to get off of .5 mg
I'm now dealing with this that no matter what I feel lik3 shit
Thank you doctor for this talk that you just gave here and it's helping me to understand how to deal with this
6 days, suboxone free, rashes on my body started disappearing that have been there for ten years. That's how long I was on it. I never put to N to together. Still not well but the worst is over. Still sneezing 25 times a day. And only sleeping 3 hours a night at most. Waking up 45 minutes between that. But my energy is coming back. Long hot showers were my only relief. I took 4 to 5 hot showers a day at the beginning. I know I still have a long way to go. I actually quit smoking. As the taste of a cigarette was repulsive. During withdrawal. All I really want to do Wright now is sleep. For a good 10 hours. And not have nightmares. Oh man this crap is so brutal to get off of. Day 17 its certainly better than day 6. My sinuses are still screwed up. Anxious alot through out the day. Still sneezing aolt. Still not sleeping wright. This is looking like its goinv to take months to get feeling normsl again. Suboxone is the new opiode epidemic. Funny it seems drug epidemics evolve from greed, ignorance., amd stupidity. From doctors and the pharmaceutical companies.
How are you now?
@@rickp3753 still off the suboxone ., been almost 8 months. im alot better now. thanks for asking.
@@rickp3753 cant believe its been almost 8 months, just reading my post, made me feel really good. thanks for asking how I am doing. i really dont think about suboxone that much anymore. nor smoking cigs either. its also nice, not worring about running out of suboxone. it was this messed up time clock always in the back of my mind. its also nice to be able to say im drug free, except for caffine and sugar. ohh and i hear you on the sleeping, during the first 10 days, i tried dam near everything, sleeping pills, alchole, tea. nothing helped the first 10 days, i really didnt sleep. and congragulations on your sub. freedom. no more $200 dollar a month doctors visits feels nice huh?
I stopped cold for almost 3 months. Even at 3 months, I had 0 energy, was depressed, and could barely function at work. I ended up doing like 0.5mg or even 0.25 for a day. Then off for 3. Now I may have taken at least a little every day for the last week, and I feel either withdrawls again, or just the adjustment from something to nothing. Suboxone gives me incredible energy and works as an anti-depresdant, but I didn't realize until I stopped how much emotion had been stifled. What the hell do I do now? If I quit again today, my withdrawls won't be as bad as after 10 years. Its work. I can't function at a high level at work. I just didn't give my brain enough time to heal. The depression won this rd. I got the next!
.....how are you doing now ? I'm in the same boat as you . Peace from Cass County Michigan ! Maranatha!
Just checking in on you. How are you doing?
To me i had no problem tapering off..i have gotten down to 4mg strip once a day now and believe this year i will be sub-free by the end of the year.
I CANT GET OFF SUBOXONE BUT IT STOPPED MY STREET USE I NEED TO TAKE THIS THE REST OF MY LIFE
Taper in micrograms
how long does it take to get addicted to suboxone after starting first dose like 8mg a day?? thank you
This what I wanna know too , do u have to do it for a long period of time to get depended on it or is it after the first dose or couple of doses? … If I had to come up with an assumption tho I would say u would have be on it for a extended period of time whether that’s even a couple of weeks , to start to feel withdrawal from it just like any other substance… your body binds to things wants you feed it to it every single day so Ik me personally I’m not taking this shot everyday or even every other day … I was on percs for 2 months straight …today makes a week now off and I am starting to feel better but still very restless , a little body aches & imsonia for sure … that’s why u take the subs sometimes so I can go to work cuz bills must be paid lol but I’ve also been using kratom as well … either way u don’t wanna abuse non thing so I got a couple more days of this shit then I’m ready to get back to my self and conquer the fucking world
I got addicted to Suboxone within 2 weeks. I've been on it for 2 years. I went to jail for 270 days. First county, they gave me 16 mg. (What I was prescribed) then, when the home county came to get me, they laughed when I said can I have my sandwiches? (Subs) and gave me ibuprofen. They did give me my mirtazapine and symblalta. Which... Kind of helped. I felt crappy for 2 weeks then kind of just ate honey buns the next three months. Then I got out, to my entire script full in my belongings. Needless to say. Back on it. Legally. But I can't even imagine coming off of it. I didn't have any for about 4 days and boy, did my life get extraordinarily rough. I wasn't yet withdrawling physically. I had absokutely no energy, I was forgetting stuff. It was bad. Then I got the txt. Your rx is ready. Do you know my heart dropped. It's just another addiction. My advice to anyone, check yourself Into a phsyc ward or get arrested. That's how you can get off. And it's going to suck. It didn't really hurt that bad in jail? I guess because I KNEW I couldn't get it. But there was a pregnant girl in there. And she got them guess who I tried to be best friends with. This drug is an opiate. Idc about the agnostic. It's lik #4 on the strongest opiates list. Legal dope. I wish I never found it. Although, better than methadone. That was just extremely extremely extremely heart wrenching.
@@Dlupielive how did u make out I'm 12 days on subs now but I have many years high amount of opiate use was on methadone for 7 plus years also untill I weaned off it a few mts ago but I relapsed. I stared subs 12 days ago 8mg a day but last 3 days I only took 2mg and I don't feel bad tomorrow I wanna try 1mg take that for a couple days then maybe .5 mg for a couple days and stop. I'm hoping I'm not dependent on suboxone and it got me over the opiate withdrawal and I can stop suboxone before it's to late. I know I made a mistake I can't use even 1 time. I'm going to na meetings now and got a gym pass to naturally build up my dopamine and endorphins asap to combat cravings. I don't want to get trapped on suboxone I have read of people taking it for about 10 to 14 days and being able to stop with minimal withdrawal compared to people on it like a year or years.
It took for me about 2 wks before I had to have it on wake up
I was on metherdon and suboxon for over 33years glad to say im clean now wen i detox my self off suboxon i droped 1ml everyweek and wen i detox my self off metherdon i droped 10ml everyweek im now nealy a year clean good luck everyone
Do you feel depression ?
@@aymenblv1542 no m8 im over a year and a halth clean now to be honest with you i wished id of doune it years ago an not wasted as much of my life i supose if you got depreshon you got get time to let your body get right
I’ve been on 8 mg for 3 mo. The sub lingual pill. I find it very inconsistent so I take 1=2 pill every 3 hours at the advice of the clinician. Still up and down and having periods of anxiety and can’t still my mind.
And it makes me salivate like crazy so it’s hard to keep it under my tongue without swallowing. I wonder if the check strips would work better. I wish I could take an Ativan but I guess not. I’m having a rough time.
get strips
They will rott your teeth out
Suboxone saved my life - sure you replace one for another but I'll take suboxone over what I was doing prior any day. Better on my wallet, I'm no longer in a permanent haze and I''m no longer obssessed with planning on never running out.
Do you ever think they make so addictive just for the money or is it the human suffering
Both
This was a very ignorant statement. If you know nothing about the disease or medication, this is ignorant. The intent is neither. It is the way the body naturally reacts to these medications.
@@robinweaver159 its not very ignorant when you look at the way drug companies function, and their ties with corrupt politicians. They'd do alot of bad things to the public for money. They either ignore the suffering they cause or embrace it. Either way, drug companies do cause suffering.
Everything is about money
Suboxone made my withdraws so much worse because I was popping RX oxys with small breaks in between
Well ya there’s narcan in it. You gotta wait one or 2 days till you can take subs. If your not going to stop go on methadone. But that’s much worse.
Suffered a broken neck (c-1) almost nine years ago. Been on oxycodone 65-75mg per day until a month ago I switched to Bupenorphine and wish I could take nothing but my neck hurts 24/7.. guess it's nerve damage docs don't know but my life is now a catch-22. Damned if I do damned if I don't. Chronic pain sucks but so does oxy. So far I have fewer side effects with bup but also do experience more pain.. way better than just Tylenol/advil but just wish I could turn back the hands of time and stay out the octagon on that fateful Sunday. Anyhow, thanks for your video!
I broke my C2 :(
Anyone else lost weight on suboxone? I'm trying to figure out why I'm losing weight
I detoured from suboxne for 30 days and gave up .I will be trying again 2024 .maybe I'll get it right this time
I think the biggest mistake of my life is starting Suboxone.
Best thing that ever happened to me.
@@rickp3753 the last time I tried to quit I literally went 7 days with less than 45- 60 minutes of sleep a night. I started hallucinating so bad my Dr made me go back on Subs. I never had withdrawal symptoms this bad on heroin.
You said at 4:17 probably decrease the receptors so do you know for sure that this naltaxzon helps or probably????
This guy is talking about “introducing Naltrexone “
to a drug that is already packed with Naltrexone.
WTF is he even talking about ?
Maybe he is not in the USA where they serve it in a non naltrexone version ie pure bupenorphine then they manually add it later to precipitate the hell.
Incorrect. Suboxone has Nalaxone in it which is inactive. It’s only activated if you shoot up the suboxone. Naltrexone is an opioid antagonist. Buprenorphine is an opioid and the main ingredient in Suboxone. Naltrexone helps push the Buprenorphine off the receptors allowing you to detox faster.
Ok I do appreciate you explaining this I was uneducated....
I was on methadone before Suboxone. I went from 85 mg down to 10 but then switched to Suboxone. I regret this because I could have just went off methadone straight from there but now I'm trying to get off Suboxone.
I felt that it was easier to just go off methadone rather than Suboxone but Im not exactly sure.
Is it easier to get off methadone at a low dose? Would you recommend going back to methadone to finally get off this stuff for good?
You bet, safely taper off. See Dr. B Addiction Recovery.
On day 5, detox off my tapper at about 1mg or more. I had to use kratom to help as I was in the worst pain I've ever had. Let me tell you it's saved my butt so far. Now, I can see how some would just trade one for the other, but if you're strong and want off with no intentions of continuing kratom, it will help. I can't wait to be rid of this poison.
@@cappy5634 I was considering Kratom. For $200 I can get a kilo of green kratom delivered. I worry that after using it , I might struggle to get off kratom. I read that after kratom, you can use DLPA to get off it.
@Crixus The Norman I will be very honest it is very tempting. Your will power needs to be strong. I'm still sick but I've been using a very low dose as I'm scared of it. I take just 3 grams daily. I've used red bali. Such a large amount would be very tempting. Just beware, please.
@Crixus The Norman you can find it much cheaper. Also what's DLPA I'm not sure if I've heard of that?
I cold turkeyed Suboxone and I was taking 4 8mg strips a day. It took me 7 days and all withdrawals went away. It’s about half the strength of a opioid withdrawal.
Is there any reason I should stop taking Suboxone? It’s been a miracle for the last 5 years, going beyond addiction treatment it seems to work as a sort of anti-depressant. Night and day difference compared to my life before.
Btw, I detoxed at the Coleman Institute about 7 years ago for regular opiates, it was a fantastic facility. Was clean about 6 months, should have taken Naloxone daily but it was too easy to skip.
I’ve been clean 5 years now on Bup and haven’t even had a single craving. Hoping I don’t get some terrible news that makes me reconsider staying on it
If you are stable on Suboxone, taking it as prescribed, working a good program, and not taking any other non-prescribed mood-altering substances, then you are “in recovery” in our view. There is no reason to disrupt this pattern if it is working for you. Congratulations and best wishes!
Long term it sucks the life out of you and your ability to feel genuine emotions.
But YMMV.
@@angusyates828 you might just be depressed, or just getting older. It happens
@@MattHanr No I have been in the past but I know this is malaise caused by opioid withdrawal. I have felt it before.
@@MattHanr Long term opioid use of any kind CAUSES depression. If anything I'm improving the longer I stay off evil suboxone but its not linear.
I’m 68 years old and was on opioids for pain from misdiagnosed Lyme disease. I quit opiates 4 years ago and was on suboxone. Never felt great on it. Tapered very slowly. I was down to 1/2 film of lowest dose and stopped 9 months later. This is day 48 off suboxone and still diarrhea, extreme fatigue and weakness walking. Maybe it’s my age, length of time originally on opiates. Not sure. Weird symptoms. Eyes burning, loud tinnitus, numbness bottom both feet, abnormal movement of my toes involuntary. I’m hoping when I reach the 2 month mark I’ll notice some improvement. Very hard to be active when so weak. I’m hydrating. Hopefully a light at end of this tunnel!!!
They make a long-acting injection form of the med called Sublocade, and alot of people have great success quitting from one 100mg injection. You should ask your doctor about it. It sounds like you stopped taking Suboxone at a dosage of 1mg, which doesn't seem like alot, but is waaay too much to jump from.
What say you to using Kratom as a means to get off of suboxone? I’ve heard it works well!
Fact
No...it bumped me up from pills straight to doing IV heroin. My addiction escalated more on kratom than on percs
Very sorry to hear that, Laura. We have treated a number of patients who have had a similar experience: they attempted to self-detox using kratom but then ended up needing help to medically detox off of kratom, because that had created another set of issues.
@@thecolemaninstituteforaddi6234 I ended up using $80 of kratom a day and tried to go cold turkey off it in a hotel....i was drinking alcohol and still couldnt sleep for a week and then was suicidal another week and then I just gave up and went back to shooting heroin because I was so suicidal.....this was what a year of kratom did to me.... Worst detox I have ever done!! Kratom is garbage !!!
Kratom is a blessing!
Im detoxing now other than the cramps im not looking foward to not having energy for two months.
I just did a hard wean 32 mg a day to .2 in 5 days then off. This is my third day. I took a month of off work to withdrawal and just allow myself to get through it
How's it going
How are you doing now?
How is it now
I’m afraid you’re going at it to fast! Way to fast
@@richardbetts623 No shit! That’s insane bro! I would pull my F hair out. My insides would be screaming hell fire at me.
I’ll tell you coming off of subs KILLS my endorphins. It’s like trying to suddenly carry a 400 pound body when you are usually a little over 100.
The restlessness sucks. I already am as depressed as a person can get normally so that seems about the same. It makes me have sneezing fits coming off it too. I just went thru it and beat it 4 months ago. Then the devil brought me more. I can’t keep doing this to myself. The cravings are so strong. All I’d have to do is use my phone.
I’m not afraid of change. I wasn’t happy on it so why keep messing with it. If I stay strong I’ll never have to go thru it again!
I learned my lesson from methadone too. I was on it for almost 3 years. THAT withdrawal is INHUMANE! Enough so that I’m scared to ever mess with it again. (I actually learned from how awful it was. Usually I tend to think the immediate benefit out weighs the detox and methadone feels fantastic but it proportionally awful to come down from)
I wish all of you luck, success, and happy withdrawals.
This is where I'm at. The crazy cycle of lowering my dose and feeling I've successfully lowered it to 3 to 4 days later being in full withdrawal in the middle of work. I've been on Suboxone for 7 years and I've been able to build and maintain a life. However this medication has killed my appetite to the point that I'm under a hundred pounds. And I'm almost 5'8. With the exception of my eyes not being dead my body looks exactly like it did the very day I decided to stop using heroin 7 years ago. I am so trapped it's unbelievable. I mean it did its job I was addicted to opiates for 17 years and the lifestyle that came with it. But I am so utterly trapped.
I felt the same way, but it never helped me build a life bc I used while on it. I eventually quit using everything else and was just on Suboxone but felt so trapped. It's a month of withdrawal and it sucked bad and I'm still struggling with depression and lack of energy. I'm 6 months off. I'm just trying to see it through.
@@bobbystone3100 that is fantastic! I'm happy and pleased for you. Keep pushing forward. Best of wishes
Thanks so very much for the explanations .God bless you.
Thanks, Denyse. If there are topics you’d like Dr. Coleman to talk about, please let us know!
maybe my thinking is off but idk why they don't precribe 1 or 2 weeks of a benzo to help with the taper. I don't like benzos on their own but whenever I'm going through any opiate/suboxone withdraw they are my #1 go to drug to help with WD and u don't get addicted on them taking them for a week or 2
Because Suboxone + Benzo can = Siezures & Death!!
When Naltrexone is used for detoxing a patient on 8mg of Suboxone film per day, what is the graduation for dosing naltrexone (ie; from day one to day 10)?
Please help me ya'll, please pray for me. I'm in night three. Jesus help me
Just be strong it’s all in your head. I took them for 3 years and just stopped 2 weeks ago and I feel better than ever.
@@nawarjalo942 how u make to get of them bro??What was your daily dose in suboxone??I started in our national program before 5years and now I'm still in 6mg.I don't have energy more..I'm afraid that my lifetime will be with theese pills.Also I'm very depressed.
@@nawarjalo942 Thank you! Day 10 can't turn back now.
@@DawgsofCleveland if you made it past 7 or 8 days then you're doing amazing. That's usually the worst part.
@@hopingtobewheatnotatare172 thank you. Night 28 and work again tomorrow, feel like I'm gonna lose it all but then when I pray i feel better. Even if I lose the job
Brutal I been on Suboxone 5 years but besides that is has saved my life
Glad to hear that it is working in the most important way! It is a great treatment for many folks and we have ~100 patients using it at our Richmond office. For other people who are ready to move onto another phase in their recovery, we have developed an 8 day protocol to help people detox off buprenorphine and get onto the nonaddictive opioid blocker naltrexone, to help reduce cravings. Thanks for sharing your experience. Best wishes!
@@thecolemaninstituteforaddi6234
doc i have been using bupe for almost 3 months, i had tramadol addiction, can i use your 8 day method? i live in orange ca, thank you
I wrote this comment 10months ago I was on 12mg and now have dropped down to 2mg and have not felt anything
It's officially been 1 week on 2mg ❤
Who would have thought that someone addicted to opioids would have trouble quitting an opioid? My mind is blown….
Why not recommend peraxotine to these patients? It helps with dopamine
buprenorphine saved my life.
Yes it has its place, but you will experience something completely different once you realize you are still dependent on a drug everyday
Some people need to take meds everyday to stay healthy and alive
@@MickeyJLucky-zb1yg you gotta do what you gotta do, but it’s still a drug and you will still be ill once you realize it’s just a substitution I’m 16 days off subox I’m done with it, it robs you of you.
Ok so do i ask my docter for im depressedly trying to get off .ok so my friend is a suboxne docter in tampa i have to fly to tampa and she will give me a 7 day supply of something i d k what it is yet .but i cry every morning.im on alot of meds i call them straight deugs i went to doing pulls. To subs .its no different i dont feel clean .sometimes i just want it all ro stop i wont get out of bed for weeks .i have a friend who checks on me but she is in afacia and ahe is my support .im broken my bf killed himself ten years ago and im not over it
I wanted to get off prescribed OxyContin. Withdrawal was so awful, I requested and received Suboxone. I was sober for many years when I got addicted to pain killers and I was committed to getting clean. And I realized Suboxone was still part of the problem. So I took much less than doctor prescribed. And immediately started tapering the dosage. As this video points out, tapering does not really help withdrawing from Suboxone. A teeny tiny bit vs none brings on prolonged withdrawal symptoms. And it takes 2-6 months before anything resembling feeling normal happens.
I have been on bup for more than 11 years taking 24 mg a day. And I really do not want to stop and do not need to stop EVEN. I should stop takink clonopin.. but opioid substitution is different. I rather stay on it for all life than live like befor BUP. I am not able to stop. And why should I? It is just a med. Every morning routine. Nothing else. I pay NO money and I feel like a man. Thanks to BUP
I rather spend 5-7 days In withdrawals from Percocet than 3 to 4 weeks of withdrawals from suboxone or methadone
If you are struggling with this, they make a long term buprenorphine shot, I didn’t take it but my father he was on 36mg a day, he didn’t experience one sick day and he has one year clean his last shot was 16 months ago. Your doctor will not bring it up. You must say this is what you need
It sticks to your receptors forever! They need to make a dose that only binds a little to receptors
You guys in these comments - and the doctor on this video - are ACTIVELY making me change my mind (at the very easy: seriously reconsider) going to the sub clinic next week…
I’ve been a heavy fent used for far too long - and at the moment I am literally burning through $1,800 every single week-
I was considering Suboxone… but these comments? And this video? It all …
Like, it’s really THIS bad and THAT TOUGH to get off subs?!
I’m so glad I found these videos before my appointment at the suboxone clinic… I’m going to cancel that now.
There is NO WAY I want to be addicted to yet another horrible thing! F has already destroyed my life as it is!
Day6 today after 7 years of 12mg. Trick was do down fast to 4 then slower once you get to 1mg stay there a few weeks. Take .5 for a few days then quit. My withdrawal is almost over and I've slept almost every night using CBNo and for panic/ anxiety. Plus vitamin b6 b12 c passion flower and ashwaganda and 32 g protein shake everyday. And do everything you can to regulate your temperature. It'd near summer here and I'm using a space heater cause my bones feel like ice
Buprenorphine binds hard on the kappa and what makes it so good for recovery and cravings is also makes it harder to get off of. I'm on it for life, I just have come to realize this is a fact. But it's better than oxys and booze.
Not hard at all if done right. Take your time, don't be too hard on yourself. There is no "one" way to do this. A nice, slow taper combined with working on yourself(eating, exercising etc) and the right mind set. You will be fine🐸. U got this.
Im on suboxone now. Im sure its going to be hard to quit. But not as hard as stopping 120mg of methadone a day for 2 years cold turkey was.
Good job
Thanks, Asikul!