Thank you for this video. A family member passed away and left the combination but I had no idea how to open it. This video literally saved the day and made me look like a hero.
It's all about the steel thickness and grade of steel. My guess Liberty uses a 1008 grade steel or lower carbon steel and Champion uses a higher carbon 1018 sheet steel. The 1018 steel contains more than double the carbon than 1008 contains and is much harder to bend. 1008 is softer and more malleable a property necessary since liberty 12-gauge and 11-gauge safes are formed from one piece of sheet steel using high capacity forming machines which would not be able to form a safe body out of 1018 which is an industry standard. A 1022 type steel would be ideal for safe construction with sheet metal).1018 can be bent into a box using a brake press but not formed like Liberty boxes are. It's why I believe Liberty had to go to Military style bars. Remember that a system is only as strong as it's weakest link. Based on my observations, the bolts did not fail. It was the steel used to make the safe body and door which buckled. The new military like make more contact against the casement and spread the force across a greater area. In the Champion safes, it's likely that their bolts maybe their weak link since they are using a tougher steel to construct safes and reinforcing their door edge. BTW 1018 is much harder to cut with a saw than 1008. One cannot cut 1018 with a simple carbide saw blade. Likewise 1008 steel holds up better in explosions because it gives. It's partly why Liberty likes to explode their safes. If you look at this video closely you could see that the Franklin door bowed and the casement pulled out so there is nowhere for bolts to hold on to and slip out. I own an 2017 11-gauge Franklin Liberty safe which I purchased second hand. When I measured the casement edge it was less than .120 inches which is 11-gauge. It measured .116 with the paint. I first thought that the steel was 20-percent thinner but what I think is happening is, as the steel is bent and rolled by the forming machine the steel experiences some elongation and thinning at a critical area the casement edge; where door bolts lock behind. IMO, Overall Champion is better in their construction methods but usually cost more money. Liberty is about volume if they switched to a 1018 steel they could not form safes using the current roll forming machines. They would have to resort to traditional steel bending techniques and their volumes would drop significantly and prices would be much higher. For the money Liberty is a nice safe as well. I wrote this reply more to educate than critic and to force people to ask better questions about what they buy and for manufacturers to be more upfront about materials and methods used, similar to stating ingredients in boxed foods.
Hopefully someone at the company will see this & give me an answer. I bout a Champion safe, Model T, S&G about 15 years ago. It is exactly like the one in this video except it doesn't have a key on the dial. It used to open on the first try but has slowly gotten slower & slower. Yesterday I used the combination 10 times & never got it open. Does it have a battery in the dial? If so, how do I change it? I can't even get the door open.
@@codynash7983 I had a locksmith come out. There was a tumbler that refused to drop down as it was stuck even though I put in each number of the combination. To get it to drop after putting in the total combination I would put something soft on the door above the dial & hit it not too hard, but hard enough with a hammer to make the tumbler drop. Worked every time. However, I decided a combo lock was a big hassle & had it replaced with a key pad & I am glad I did. It is so much easier & works each time. The 2 9-volt batteries will last two years before changing.
@@sheikhboyardee556wait till the keypad electronics die and you gotta get the locksmith to drill it. Mechanical locks are superior when serviced (if the locksmith serviced or replaced that it would be great)
That man is a bit slow. I go three times to the left and stop on 0 and lock it. Then when I start I go straight to my first number then as follows. S&G is 3 times to the left to clear the previous opening.
Learn how to use it and by the 10th time doing it you would be fluent in doing so. If it gives you a headache and your the owner of the safe, imagine how much of a headache it would give a burglar if one tried to get into your safe. That's why I love this locking style. Safes aren't supposed to be easy. They aren't microwave ovens.
@@idkidk4334 Yeah, if they want convince, forget the safe and store your guns and valuables under your bed🤣 Pop tarts are convenient too. Try making those for your wife or husband every night and see how far that gets you🤣🤣🤣
Thank you for this video. A family member passed away and left the combination but I had no idea how to open it. This video literally saved the day and made me look like a hero.
It's all about the steel thickness and grade of steel. My guess Liberty uses a 1008 grade steel or lower carbon steel and Champion uses a higher carbon 1018 sheet steel. The 1018 steel contains more than double the carbon than 1008 contains and is much harder to bend. 1008 is softer and more malleable a property necessary since liberty 12-gauge and 11-gauge safes are formed from one piece of sheet steel using high capacity forming machines which would not be able to form a safe body out of 1018 which is an industry standard. A 1022 type steel would be ideal for safe construction with sheet metal).1018 can be bent into a box using a brake press but not formed like Liberty boxes are. It's why I believe Liberty had to go to Military style bars. Remember that a system is only as strong as it's weakest link. Based on my observations, the bolts did not fail. It was the steel used to make the safe body and door which buckled. The new military like make more contact against the casement and spread the force across a greater area. In the Champion safes, it's likely that their bolts maybe their weak link since they are using a tougher steel to construct safes and reinforcing their door edge. BTW 1018 is much harder to cut with a saw than 1008. One cannot cut 1018 with a simple carbide saw blade. Likewise 1008 steel holds up better in explosions because it gives. It's partly why Liberty likes to explode their safes. If you look at this video closely you could see that the Franklin door bowed and the casement pulled out so there is nowhere for bolts to hold on to and slip out.
I own an 2017 11-gauge Franklin Liberty safe which I purchased second hand. When I measured the casement edge it was less than .120 inches which is 11-gauge. It measured .116 with the paint. I first thought that the steel was 20-percent thinner but what I think is happening is, as the steel is bent and rolled by the forming machine the steel experiences some elongation and thinning at a critical area the casement edge; where door bolts lock behind.
IMO, Overall Champion is better in their construction methods but usually cost more money. Liberty is about volume if they switched to a 1018 steel they could not form safes using the current roll forming machines. They would have to resort to traditional steel bending techniques and their volumes would drop significantly and prices would be much higher.
For the money Liberty is a nice safe as well. I wrote this reply more to educate than critic and to force people to ask better questions about what they buy and for manufacturers to be more upfront about materials and methods used, similar to stating ingredients in boxed foods.
very informative about the differences
Just picked up a Champion Safe last month I love it all 705 lb of it.. I even got the extra warranty on the lock
Thank you. That was quite clear.
very interesting video, even for a french customer like me, maybe my next safe will be equiped with such a lock, not so difficult to use!
Do you always have to use the key to lock the safe ?
looks like ive found a new sleep inducer.
GO TO BED GOO GOO ! ! !
@@roberthenderson4466 , NOW you tell me !
Hopefully someone at the company will see this & give me an answer. I bout a Champion safe, Model T, S&G about 15 years ago. It is exactly like the one in this video except it doesn't have a key on the dial. It used to open on the first try but has slowly gotten slower & slower. Yesterday I used the combination 10 times & never got it open. Does it have a battery in the dial? If so, how do I change it? I can't even get the door open.
I am having this issue too. Did you figure anything out?
@@codynash7983 I had a locksmith come out. There was a tumbler that refused to drop down as it was stuck even though I put in each number of the combination. To get it to drop after putting in the total combination I would put something soft on the door above the dial & hit it not too hard, but hard enough with a hammer to make the tumbler drop. Worked every time. However, I decided a combo lock was a big hassle & had it replaced with a key pad & I am glad I did. It is so much easier & works each time. The 2 9-volt batteries will last two years before changing.
@@sheikhboyardee556wait till the keypad electronics die and you gotta get the locksmith to drill it. Mechanical locks are superior when serviced (if the locksmith serviced or replaced that it would be great)
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My safe is locked and will not unlocked I've had it for 22 years
That man is a bit slow. I go three times to the left and stop on 0 and lock it. Then when I start I go straight to my first number then as follows. S&G is 3 times to the left to clear the previous opening.
How do you change battery
This lock is a head ache around 4 times then around 3 times then around 2 times makes me want to puke
Learn how to use it and by the 10th time doing it you would be fluent in doing so. If it gives you a headache and your the owner of the safe, imagine how much of a headache it would give a burglar if one tried to get into your safe. That's why I love this locking style. Safes aren't supposed to be easy. They aren't microwave ovens.
@@charlesleggett2546lol that's why everyone goes to the crappy sheet metal "safe" because they take convenience over security
@@idkidk4334 Yeah, if they want convince, forget the safe and store your guns and valuables under your bed🤣 Pop tarts are convenient too. Try making those for your wife or husband every night and see how far that gets you🤣🤣🤣
PUKE IN A PAPER BAG.......,UGH...,.,.