great summary. videos like these are essential for getting players up to scratch on big meta changes quickly after a new update. Without them we often see trends trickling down to the average raider much later than they ought to. I think it would be amazing to have a video like this at the start of every big meta change. Keep it up👍
nice vid i need something like this. really helpfull since not playing eso at all lasfe few months. video like this makeirt easier to pick the game back up after patch update
First, I really like how you've got PC and Console content. It's a really good way of differentiating what we see as Meta and easy to achieve with presets but isn't really attainable in the same way in Console. I liked seeing how Azureblight deals increased damage to monsters and I like that concept being applied more generally. It doesn't break PVP and let's be honest, if it only breaks things for groups like Charles and a few handfuls of groups on the servers who Really cares? I don't play anymore but having truly fun sets like Plaguebreak on templars or azureblight on a warden tank a few years ago made the game a lot more fun for me. I'm pro-fun. Give the community more fun. Give them more options for "themed" sets on individual classes leaning into identity and more accessible generic B+/top tier options.
Thanks for the summary and for the dps analysis tool. :) About the Banner Bearer, what is annoying for me is that you need external tools to track the proc of crux generation. The templar class passive has a 5s cooldown which shows on the skill, but arcanist does nothing. :(
@@SaltNPeppers Ok but that is poorly explained and the tooltip doesnt tell anything at all about once every 5s. Why has ZOS not update the ability description to tell us what the class mastery does? Why does one need an extra explanation video for everything ZOS should just include in the game...
What happens if different Arcs run Banner with different Focus scripts in the group. Does that mean that we can get simultaneous group buffs to AoE, Direct Damage, Magic Damage, etc? If so that will affect group composition coordination quite a bit.
Workin on it slowly but surely. In emphasizing getting my videos created at the level that I want them and formatted so that they’re easier to update patch to patch, so when U45 comes out next year I’ll be able to get all of them back out and updated far quicker
i've just started tanking recently and i know cro was one of the big tank classes early on but it was mainly because they weren't great at anything else. Now my cro tank feels like it has all the tools it needs, mostly built into the class kit, and what isn't there scribing gives me. Loving it!
@@IshimuraaYT damn right! Both for PVP and PVE this is as good as it’s been in years. Corpsebuster and Nobility in Decay are two great sets form IA. People sleeping on both.
@@IROPP4I A lot of people sleep on IA sets because they’re so annoying to farm. It takes a great deal of time to acquire the set pieces you want. However, I do agree that the IA sets are underrated and powerful.
it doesnt make comeback. the guy just teory crafting based on patch notes. reality is way diferent. To make corpse burster viable, all corpses should explode at once, or increase explodion radius up to 7-8m.
I'm still not sure about Banner Bearer. Banner Bearer reduces health, mag and stam recovery by 33% on its own. In order to compensate for this reduction for necro's, it seems to require quite a bit of corpses. Recently, I've noticed that corpses simply disappear after a few seconds. That might be a game bug though.
@@SkyrimBeast it definitely falls in line with their silly trend of “do damage with no resources” (like riptide or Bahsei XD) but it’s very manageable. Corpses can be a pain in content especially with elevation, we’ve had to adjust boss positioning to get them to fire more frequently
@@eigh1puppies Wow! Thanks for the reply. I like to experiment with sets and abilities, so I'll give Banner Bearer a shot. Corpseburster will take a slight hit on my build due to my using brokensoul. I'll be trading a Grave Lord ability for Banner Bearer. This will result in a 10% damage reduction due to how Corpseburster works.
The recovery debuff on banner is almost irrelevant on CB cro cuz ur main spam is siphon which doesnt cost anything so your sustain is fine, it actually helps you use coral more with than anything
Toggle shadow cloak is the best thing I've heard about this game in so long. I don't have to spam it anymore just to stay invisible? This is amazing I might actually play regularly again
Does it make sense to run Banner Bearer on Arcanist in solo content/dungeons or is the recovery debuff too big? If it's viable which focus script makes the most sense?
I haven’t personally tried it but I think it should be viable in solo content. Sustain on the Arc seems good enough for it to not be a problem if you do enough damage but it def seems high risk high reward
I heard that there's a Warden main that is also the best Cro on the Box that is excited to see some of these changes in lieu of a return. By the divines this update was meant to be!
I'll be making a Cro guide soon but in general, Corpse Buster + Rele or Azure is the meta it seems atm and Banner is also very good for cro with Class Mastery: Focus and Affix scripts depend on comp
Thanks again for the helpful video. If we choose Berserk for Affix, and replace Camo Hunter with the skill, we're losing Major Prophesy and Savagery, correct? Isn't that huge? Can we do something to mitigate it?
@eigh1puppies People are reporting that Banner with Berserk is bugged with Camo Hunter currently and they have a 50% chance to cancel each other out. Does that sound correct?
That’s an add on from a parse by RY ESO I used a few clips from other channels in here and am realizing the description didn’t save so I’m fixing that now and you’ll be able to get to get to his channel to ask!
So the all arc meta isn't going anywhere for console. Good to know. Some interesting changes but overall still boring AF when you consider how many classes exist that really aren't or can't be used in harder trial content. Rather than understanding that damage will scale over time and other classes needs to be tuned to the new scale. They do this dumb up and down nerf levers for items and classes. It always just feels bad, spend time and resources into X only to have it nerfed into the ground because it was over tuned in the first place 3 months later. The devs might be passionate about the game, but their understanding of mechanics is sometimes largely lacking or untested.
@@cgaming4439 for what it’s worth, I didn’t fairly explain that I think arc will be best for scorepushing. Trifecta comps are allowed to be far more ambiguous
You are wrong about minor berserk with camo hunter, it looks like that since camo and healer combatprayer are under different minor berserk in logs and its not one that show for all sources.
You’ll still struggle to find a log where all 8 dds are over 95%, that statement is not wrong. And in any case, potions are the more efficient source of heroism which makes the best affix banner. I don’t think that’s really up for debate. If ANYTHING you could consider prophecy/savagery and take camo front bar off on Arc and keep trap. But I maintain, you’ll never find a log without kinra where all 8 dds are over 95%, factoring in all sources of minor berserk. It just doesn’t exist. 5+ DDs sure, but never 8
Every patch since patch 35. That new set that everyone said was broken, we're finally nerfing it into oblivion. Stamwarden and nightblade will get a negligible buff. Necro will only get a buff if you play it in a way the devs want you to. Also, this non-spammable will cost an extra 300 stam/mag to give the impression the devs are doing something. The ESO patch cycle is a carousel of sh*t. Just get off for your own sanity.
@@Wolfatmebro Arc is pretty evidently not meta on PC rn, you’ll always have a couple for trash but they’re not parsers. Console is a bit of a different story. It’s closer than ever on console and tbh, all it would take is a nerf to the arcs class mastery, which I would not shocked to see
@eigh1puppies i play both but very rarely, alot smaller cores still run arcs. I think the console would change if the devs gave you console pc add ons. I used to play all the time when the game was challenging before people were hitting 70k. But yeah its slowly changing, just isn't going to be viable until they change most classes for equal survivability.
@@eigh1puppies you are doing a good job as a content creator and for a respectful player for even competitive races for score pushing. Guides like this help people tremendously. I just don't have the time to invest to do it myself.
Great vid! However I still don't think that running NB is worth at all anywhere honestly. On KA it was mostly for some funny things that I got allowed to play NB. It was cool in terms of ST damage but templar still feels slightly stronger.
Sorc is broken AF in pvp and I love it still ❤❤. Being able to run EG with no drawbacks to dps are insane, same with atro. Also good NBs are doing awesome. Only the crappy ones are complaining 😂😂😂.
Thank you for this video. It confirmed all the reasons why I'll be sticking with New World instead of returning. I hate to say that but it's true. Banner bearer being a necessity for raid and it's useful function being behind a paywall was my main takeaway. Sure others can have it, but ZOS will simply continue down this road which started with jewelry crafting. I do like the attempts at balancing, but needing a sub to feel fine for inventory is also a pain. Awesome video though bro.
Preciate the compliment but just consider the idea that every major mmo will typically look for reasons to sell you their once a year chapter. I’d get if it was locked behind a dlc but I feel power increases with major expansions is necessary for a healthy game. And even if, banner isn’t “necessary” buff dds won’t have the bar space to run them and it’s only arcs and cros that will really so there are still plenty of options!
NB will always be in an odd spot of OP and worthless at the same time OP because of PVP cloak and single target damage Worthless because PVE is all about AOE/cleave damage which it doesn't have
NB got love? It didnt need love,just players to learn play this class. Increase DMG at cost of utility skill, which identified the class is nerf,not love. Now its not worth to be NB ganker,but just tank yourself and become brawler,like rest of classes. Makuing this game too noobfriendly, makes it boring,thats why ppl leave this game
@eigh1puppies it was good,it had just hard rotation,but still better than necromancer. Approach to game Play as u like doesn't work. There must be a reason, why u pick certain class. Every class just can't be good at everything,same as races.Cloak was always pvp skill and nobody complain. In PVE it was used just to skip trash and get straight to boss in delves/ dungeons. If ZOS wanted to force player's use it in PVE, they could add to cloak ability to open secret passage to bosses in dungeons/ trials. Imagine having NB in Lair of Marsalock and getting straight to bosses without combat bug. Now whenever u roll this dungeon in random Finder half of group quits at beginning 😁
Update 44 for ESO scribing new skills banner bearer focus scripts are all dumb ASF It raises the ability by 6 or 8 % But it reduced all your recovery by 33% as if you were a vampire Just dumb who are making these decisions
@@dannynicholson50 on your backbar, where you only spend 20% of your time with a good roto. The crit is why it stays on the front bar though and we replace trap, it’s the weakest dot/lowest damage increase after all the reworks
great summary. videos like these are essential for getting players up to scratch on big meta changes quickly after a new update. Without them we often see trends trickling down to the average raider much later than they ought to. I think it would be amazing to have a video like this at the start of every big meta change. Keep it up👍
I love big black men twerking ontop of my face
The necro and azureblight statements have pleased me indeed. Why thank you good buddy
nice vid i need something like this. really helpfull since not playing eso at all lasfe few months. video like this makeirt easier to pick the game back up after patch update
Glad to hear!
First, I really like how you've got PC and Console content. It's a really good way of differentiating what we see as Meta and easy to achieve with presets but isn't really attainable in the same way in Console.
I liked seeing how Azureblight deals increased damage to monsters and I like that concept being applied more generally. It doesn't break PVP and let's be honest, if it only breaks things for groups like Charles and a few handfuls of groups on the servers who Really cares?
I don't play anymore but having truly fun sets like Plaguebreak on templars or azureblight on a warden tank a few years ago made the game a lot more fun for me. I'm pro-fun.
Give the community more fun. Give them more options for "themed" sets on individual classes leaning into identity and more accessible generic B+/top tier options.
Great explanation and vid Bro! Love this kind of content❤️
Such an amazing video Pups!!! This is such an great video for getting players up to scartach on the big meta shift after an new Update!!!
Great video man keep going with the great work 👌🏻👌🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks for the summary and for the dps analysis tool. :)
About the Banner Bearer, what is annoying for me is that you need external tools to track the proc of crux generation.
The templar class passive has a 5s cooldown which shows on the skill, but arcanist does nothing. :(
if you have the banner on both bars, you'll get a crux every 5 seconds. you'll just need to generate 1 crux before you beam, or none at all
@@SaltNPeppers Ok but that is poorly explained and the tooltip doesnt tell anything at all about once every 5s. Why has ZOS not update the ability description to tell us what the class mastery does? Why does one need an extra explanation video for everything ZOS should just include in the game...
Yeah a tracker on Fatecarver would be sick
What happens if different Arcs run Banner with different Focus scripts in the group. Does that mean that we can get simultaneous group buffs to AoE, Direct Damage, Magic Damage, etc? If so that will affect group composition coordination quite a bit.
@@BobDRAD banner cannot stack so everybody needs to run the same scripts
@@eigh1puppieswhat happens if they don't (which seems likely e.g. for uncoordinated groups)? Will one "win"?
Also - only the Focus script is shared, correct? Or are Affix scripts as well?
Thanks for the great summary! Mind including a link to the damage type log analysis tool?
Yeah sorry I thought I did but my links did not save. Updating now
Will you be updating your build videos to reflect the u42 changes?
Workin on it slowly but surely. In emphasizing getting my videos created at the level that I want them and formatted so that they’re easier to update patch to patch, so when U45 comes out next year I’ll be able to get all of them back out and updated far quicker
i've just started tanking recently and i know cro was one of the big tank classes early on but it was mainly because they weren't great at anything else. Now my cro tank feels like it has all the tools it needs, mostly built into the class kit, and what isn't there scribing gives me. Loving it!
so after pyro we should expect to lose corpsebuster soon?
Noooooo
As an avid cro enjoyer, this patch is pretty juicy and i may come back to the game cause of it
@@IshimuraaYT damn right! Both for PVP and PVE this is as good as it’s been in years. Corpsebuster and Nobility in Decay are two great sets form IA. People sleeping on both.
@@IROPP4I A lot of people sleep on IA sets because they’re so annoying to farm. It takes a great deal of time to acquire the set pieces you want. However, I do agree that the IA sets are underrated and powerful.
After ZOS obliterated Stalking Blastbones, I thought cro would be done for. Love to see this comeback.
it doesnt make comeback. the guy just teory crafting based on patch notes. reality is way diferent. To make corpse burster viable, all corpses should explode at once, or increase explodion radius up to 7-8m.
I'm still not sure about Banner Bearer. Banner Bearer reduces health, mag and stam recovery by 33% on its own. In order to compensate for this reduction for necro's, it seems to require quite a bit of corpses. Recently, I've noticed that corpses simply disappear after a few seconds. That might be a game bug though.
@@SkyrimBeast it definitely falls in line with their silly trend of “do damage with no resources” (like riptide or Bahsei XD) but it’s very manageable.
Corpses can be a pain in content especially with elevation, we’ve had to adjust boss positioning to get them to fire more frequently
@@eigh1puppies Wow! Thanks for the reply. I like to experiment with sets and abilities, so I'll give Banner Bearer a shot. Corpseburster will take a slight hit on my build due to my using brokensoul. I'll be trading a Grave Lord ability for Banner Bearer. This will result in a 10% damage reduction due to how Corpseburster works.
@ might not be worth for a one bar but worth a shot would love to hear what happens!
The recovery debuff on banner is almost irrelevant on CB cro cuz ur main spam is siphon which doesnt cost anything so your sustain is fine, it actually helps you use coral more with than anything
Great point!
Hey is there videos of that stamcro pov in vse I want to watch it from his or hers pov.
Elitecrytek
@@eigh1puppies thanks
Toggle shadow cloak is the best thing I've heard about this game in so long. I don't have to spam it anymore just to stay invisible? This is amazing I might actually play regularly again
glad brittleden is back its my favorite build
Does it make sense to run Banner Bearer on Arcanist in solo content/dungeons or is the recovery debuff too big? If it's viable which focus script makes the most sense?
I haven’t personally tried it but I think it should be viable in solo content. Sustain on the Arc seems good enough for it to not be a problem if you do enough damage but it def seems high risk high reward
I heard that there's a Warden main that is also the best Cro on the Box that is excited to see some of these changes in lieu of a return.
By the divines this update was meant to be!
What would solo crow be like this patch what would be the best stuff too run and would banner be good for it
I'll be making a Cro guide soon but in general, Corpse Buster + Rele or Azure is the meta it seems atm and Banner is also very good for cro with Class Mastery: Focus and Affix scripts depend on comp
Thanks for this. Very informative. I play a sorc. How is patch 44 going to effect sorc builds.
Small nerfs to rapid strikes with the vma greatsword changes but shouldn’t be anything crazy!
Thanks again for the helpful video. If we choose Berserk for Affix, and replace Camo Hunter with the skill, we're losing Major Prophesy and Savagery, correct? Isn't that huge? Can we do something to mitigate it?
You can run weapon power potions, but I don’t suggest replacing camo hunter on the front bar, only the back
@eigh1puppies People are reporting that Banner with Berserk is bugged with Camo Hunter currently and they have a 50% chance to cancel each other out. Does that sound correct?
@ I’ve heard of this but unable to confirm it myself
Where is the crux counter coming from that was to the right of the health bar?
That’s an add on from a parse by RY ESO
I used a few clips from other channels in here and am realizing the description didn’t save so I’m fixing that now and you’ll be able to get to get to his channel to ask!
So the all arc meta isn't going anywhere for console. Good to know. Some interesting changes but overall still boring AF when you consider how many classes exist that really aren't or can't be used in harder trial content. Rather than understanding that damage will scale over time and other classes needs to be tuned to the new scale. They do this dumb up and down nerf levers for items and classes. It always just feels bad, spend time and resources into X only to have it nerfed into the ground because it was over tuned in the first place 3 months later. The devs might be passionate about the game, but their understanding of mechanics is sometimes largely lacking or untested.
@@cgaming4439 for what it’s worth, I didn’t fairly explain that I think arc will be best for scorepushing. Trifecta comps are allowed to be far more ambiguous
@@eigh1puppies tell that to some of the raid leads 😂
@@cgaming4439 the year is 2024
oh is necro mag? are you gonna make a meta cro guide after this?
Workin on it now!
What are you combining with corpsbuster? Relequen? And is corpsbuster just frontbared?
Rele corpse buster for ST and azure corpse for AOE.
Corpse front bar
@eigh1puppies nice! Thank you
Is there a build guide for cro around that's easy to follow?
I don’t have an updated one atm but it’s in the works
You didn’t say anything about vMA 2H changes. It broke two my DK builds.
@@vladimirsviridov7114 - you probably missed the 2nd minute of the clip. 😉
I talked about it pretty early into the video!
If it isn't a major update on servers then it isn't an update it's a band-aid.
Btw what scripts do people use for banner on arcanist?
Focus script depends on comp
But always class mastery and berserk
You are wrong about minor berserk with camo hunter, it looks like that since camo and healer combatprayer are under different minor berserk in logs and its not one that show for all sources.
You’ll still struggle to find a log where all 8 dds are over 95%, that statement is not wrong.
And in any case, potions are the more efficient source of heroism which makes the best affix banner. I don’t think that’s really up for debate.
If ANYTHING you could consider prophecy/savagery and take camo front bar off on Arc and keep trap. But I maintain, you’ll never find a log without kinra where all 8 dds are over 95%, factoring in all sources of minor berserk. It just doesn’t exist. 5+ DDs sure, but never 8
Hello :) thinking of making an zenkosh dk, curious about their place in this meta?
@@josephpugh1331 still def worth having in a raid comp!
Every patch since patch 35.
That new set that everyone said was broken, we're finally nerfing it into oblivion.
Stamwarden and nightblade will get a negligible buff. Necro will only get a buff if you play it in a way the devs want you to.
Also, this non-spammable will cost an extra 300 stam/mag to give the impression the devs are doing something.
The ESO patch cycle is a carousel of sh*t. Just get off for your own sanity.
I really hate how accurate this is lmao
🔥
The only way arc meta will ever change if other classes literally hit 50k harder.. even then i doubt it would change because of arcs beam
@@Wolfatmebro Arc is pretty evidently not meta on PC rn, you’ll always have a couple for trash but they’re not parsers.
Console is a bit of a different story. It’s closer than ever on console and tbh, all it would take is a nerf to the arcs class mastery, which I would not shocked to see
@eigh1puppies i play both but very rarely, alot smaller cores still run arcs. I think the console would change if the devs gave you console pc add ons. I used to play all the time when the game was challenging before people were hitting 70k. But yeah its slowly changing, just isn't going to be viable until they change most classes for equal survivability.
@@eigh1puppies you are doing a good job as a content creator and for a respectful player for even competitive races for score pushing. Guides like this help people tremendously. I just don't have the time to invest to do it myself.
Wish we have more effective reactive tanks
Just a question? Are you taking into account the people's play style when making build vids, or is it how you play?? No drama just wondering
@@daveyB222 nope mainly what’s meta
Great vid! However I still don't think that running NB is worth at all anywhere honestly. On KA it was mostly for some funny things that I got allowed to play NB. It was cool in terms of ST damage but templar still feels slightly stronger.
@@AlduinESO glad I got that one right! Congrats on the stellar record and nasty parses dude!
@@eigh1puppiesty bro 😎
Been playing this game since I was 13 now I’m 23 where did time go
@@battlingphoenix been playin since I was 15 myself XD
NB here.
I see no change in the meta,
or am I missing something?
Arc with Azure stays on top, all other classes and combos stay way behind.
@@Valion cro in azure/corpse buster is stronger
10/10 content
Thank talos warden needed thst chilled buff badly frankly the damage is crutial for thst class
Sorc is broken AF in pvp and I love it still ❤❤. Being able to run EG with no drawbacks to dps are insane, same with atro.
Also good NBs are doing awesome. Only the crappy ones are complaining 😂😂😂.
Thank you for this video. It confirmed all the reasons why I'll be sticking with New World instead of returning. I hate to say that but it's true. Banner bearer being a necessity for raid and it's useful function being behind a paywall was my main takeaway. Sure others can have it, but ZOS will simply continue down this road which started with jewelry crafting. I do like the attempts at balancing, but needing a sub to feel fine for inventory is also a pain. Awesome video though bro.
Preciate the compliment but just consider the idea that every major mmo will typically look for reasons to sell you their once a year chapter. I’d get if it was locked behind a dlc but I feel power increases with major expansions is necessary for a healthy game.
And even if, banner isn’t “necessary” buff dds won’t have the bar space to run them and it’s only arcs and cros that will really so there are still plenty of options!
NB will always be in an odd spot of OP and worthless at the same time
OP because of PVP cloak and single target damage
Worthless because PVE is all about AOE/cleave damage which it doesn't have
*Cries in dk*
nb finaly received some love this pach... lol just that sentence show how much he doesnt know anything about the game, nb's are being op for years
I emphasized this video was for pve, in pve they have been very unoptimal in raid.
First. Nice work Pups. 👏
Damn I’m in the video 🤝
I felt bad exposing your carve stacks like that
@@eigh1puppies ye its cooked
Another good video c: wahoo
NB got love? It didnt need love,just players to learn play this class. Increase DMG at cost of utility skill, which identified the class is nerf,not love. Now its not worth to be NB ganker,but just tank yourself and become brawler,like rest of classes. Makuing this game too noobfriendly, makes it boring,thats why ppl leave this game
This is from the lens of pve. The night blade has not been good in pve compared to other classes for a long time
@eigh1puppies it was good,it had just hard rotation,but still better than necromancer. Approach to game Play as u like doesn't work. There must be a reason, why u pick certain class. Every class just can't be good at everything,same as races.Cloak was always pvp skill and nobody complain. In PVE it was used just to skip trash and get straight to boss in delves/ dungeons. If ZOS wanted to force player's use it in PVE, they could add to cloak ability to open secret passage to bosses in dungeons/ trials. Imagine having NB in Lair of Marsalock and getting straight to bosses without combat bug. Now whenever u roll this dungeon in random Finder half of group quits at beginning 😁
never any DK love
Pyre was really cool
Templar spear still cringe
Update 44 for ESO scribing new skills banner bearer focus scripts are all dumb ASF
It raises the ability by 6 or 8 %
But it reduced all your recovery by 33% as if you were a vampire
Just dumb who are making these decisions
Yeah I’m not a huge fan of the bad resources = more power meta
The elder woke online
Arc all along... how boring
Probably for console yeah
I mean stop playing on little kid console easy
I outparse you with base game ui
@@eigh1puppies its cute you think that made my day thank you
@@i_nosc0pedjfk.227 when and where
Console is by far more difficult lmao 😂
1 issue... camo hunter gives major crit too lol its literally there giving fg passives, I'd rather have the trap still...
@@dannynicholson50 on your backbar, where you only spend 20% of your time with a good roto. The crit is why it stays on the front bar though and we replace trap, it’s the weakest dot/lowest damage increase after all the reworks