This Kia Is Running Out Of Time!
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- Опубликовано: 22 окт 2023
- In this video I have a look at a Kia Sedona for another shop that came in with cam timing codes. P0011 indicates that the rear bank timing is falling behind. Let's see if the computer is telling us the truth.
-Enjoy!
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What makes this guy arguably the GOAT is a diagnosis like this and the fact he can also cut a rusted nut off a bolt with a torch and not screw up the threads and he is funny and honest and shares all this stuff with the common folk.... A legend...
So is his wife!
Eric O the GOAT. I like it!
Certainly my favorite mechanic
The other shops in the area must sleep at night knowing Eric O is there in case they can’t figure out a problem.
😂😂😂😂😂
He's has a few ( OTHER SHOP REFERRALS ) hasnt he ? 😄
i'd be surprised if anyone goes to the others anymore lol
😂frfr
Second opinion cause they don’t care too fix it .
As a former HD Truck/trailer technician, I can really appreciate your point to point diagnostics and your explanations. And you explain it in a layman's terms. Thanks for wonderful, informative videos.
Thanks 👍
What a blessing you are to the other shops knowing they can drop a car off to you to get a diagnosis when they can’t figure it out themselves! 🇺🇸
Exactly! Eric has a real knack for in depth troubleshooting.
Blessing and emojis. Found the trumptard...
Thinking the same thing!🇺🇸
he has done this before 😅
I have been watching you for several years now. Your diagnostic skills are awesome.
This guy and that pine hollow guy are the top two diag guys imo.
Scanner Dan, Diagnose Dan, Super Mario, Voltage Drop Diagnostics and the master Bernie Thompson from ATS
Yeah, but he has decades of education and experience. He started when cars where easier and probably learned new features as they came out. I feel concerned about the shortage of car technicians now, it will be bad for the economy. The pay isn’t worth all that learning, its an overwhelming amount of information to be a technician now.
So nice of the other shop to change the spark plugs for a timing code...hopefully they rotated the tires too! Great job as always, Mr. O
Typical "cheeseburger, chips, and Pepsi" establishment
Not to mention change the blinker fluid!:)
Blinker fluid can be expensive don't you know? Some vehicles have sensors built into the tail light and if the unit gets water in it costs over $5k for a damn tail light because it now communicates with the entire system of the vehicle. It no longer is just blinky blinky or flash on flash off.
I bought one of those brake lights that goes in the reciever hitch of a vehicle. From the get-go I got a message that my left trailer light was malfunctioning and would have the rapid flash turning left. Figured it was a defective unit and besides it had the back-up light feature I had to hard wire so I got a standard read light one and the same issue. I checked around and turns out the unit is wired only to the right tail light so the car computer thinkks my left trailer light is out giving me a message over and over my tail light is out on my trailer.
Knowing what I know sometimes the blinker will work normal but most times it will blink faster than normal and I may just unplug it.
@@larrybe2900 Ain't THAT the truth!
Loved the line about chain stretch but we’ll use that term loosely 🤣
He might be right about that and he called it before he had the car in the shop.
No Eric, you can do it, i can't.
A person would need more than a casual experience to understand how these systems work, then interpret what the data means, providing you had the equipment. These cars have reached a point, where the average shade tree mechanic can install the easy parts via the parts canon. if the canon shot didn't hit the target, you can only hope the garage that you selected is as good a you.
Agreed😊
He couldn't even figure out this one...
@@dopeman420 At least the first part of your moniker is spot on.
I would have like the cover pulled to see the actual problem. Your adapting well to the increased
electronics they're adding to these engines. You have become a expert diagnostician! The other shops know this too!!
My daughter has a 2021 Kia Seltos with about 70,000+ miles. She bought it new. Her engine light came on and the car stalled but restarted. She took it to her usual shop and they said it was showing codes P000b and P0017 and should go to the dealer. She brought it to the dealer, and they found the exhaust cam phaser was loose. It must have also damaged the cam because they replaced both the cam and the phaser. They also replaced a couple of oil seals. The work was done under warrantee at no charge to her. Her car is running great again. She got lucky it was still under warrantee. It was the first trouble she had with the car.
You shouldn't expect that kind of trouble at 70k. Best she sell it before the warranty expires. These engines are junk.
I agree, but she won't trade it right now. She's old enough to make her own choices. I'm sure she will trade it when it starts costing her money. lol @@vicarod
@@vicarodI strongly agree.
That's a lot stuff for a 2+ year old car...
@@michaelsnively3621 exactly , something you would expect from say 150 k miles
when the other shops can't fix the problem they send the vehicle to south main auto 👍
Don't forget Factory authorized Wilberts😊
Mr.O. You are a lucky guy to have Mrs.O. She should have her own RUclips Channel.
I have the feeling she's juuuust fine showing up here and there as she does. That said, I'm not against an Mrs. O channel, nosirs/madams.
You, Sir, are the Wizard of auto diagnostics!
One thing that did seem odd to me is that the engine did run pretty smooth, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's the sensor cam trigger that has moved.
Your right maybe a bore scope down the cam sensor hole might have been beneficial. Michael
@@michaelsapko1731
this is how mechanics talk dirty to each other,
right here 😗
@@Zupdood2I love it when you guys talk dirty
Didn't PHD have one of those?
That or there's different sensors snd wrong one is installed maybe left and right are different as cams spin opposite
2 of my favorite channels are SMA and Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics
The other shops “diagnostic fees” are just the tow bill to SMA.
Overall it's probably cheaper to send it to SMA than it is to spend the time trying to work it out themselves.
Though in this case it might have been the last straw for them. In this case, they "...couldn't do it!"
The scope doesn't lie! Hope this isn't another twisted camshaft like the one you and Ivan found. I saw that video.
Good one Mr. O. Nice to see Mrs. O.
Brother, I for one are jealous of your knowledge, keep teaching us what we don't know.
Took you 4min in the Video to diagnose its problems and other shops sent it to you.
You're really the diagnostic king! Greetings from Quebec Canada
The fact that you verify your diagnosis sets you apart from a LOT of techs. It's amazing to see how many parts-cannon cars you get to work on. Now I will ask this question again (someone out there should be willing to answer it): How can a shop/mechanic charge the customer parts & labor for a job/problem that they did not fix? If I hire a plumber to fix a leak & he replaces parts that don't fix the leak - why should I be expected to pay him?
Great video. I was never a big scope guy back when I was working. After watching your videos (about 4 years now) I wouldn't get back on the floor without one. It saves a bunch of time (comp. tests alone) and with the A,S wave stuff is very affordable...🤓
Great to hear!
Eric O’…We love it when you get the Pico out and show us Waveforms!!
Its always cool to see you use the scope and go though your process to find the issue, i hope to see a follow up, thanks eric
Shocker: the codes, which are made to tell you when the cam is out of time, told us the cam was out of time 😂
Good video, brother! Keep up the great diags. Im Learning every day!
Been watching for years. I've picked up a lot of diagnostic practices from this guy. I know it's saved me and my customers money over the years. Imagine if this customer brought the car in before unloading the parts cannon.
You are a very good teacher. I wish my college instructors were half as good as teaching as you are.
Can I come up there from Georgia for a summer and pay you to stand there and watch you and learn? Cuz your knowledge is astronomical.
As a KIA technician... there's also an issue with the camshaft dowl pins getting too far into the camshaft and causing the cam gear to rotate. These usually produce a camshaft correlation code. The only fix is to replace the whole cam, the adjustable gear, and of course, at that point, change the timing belt and tensioner. The wholes for the dowl were machined too deep and allowed the pin to sink too far into the cam. They don't quite sheer off, but they deform and kinda bend sideways. I learned this from one of the Master KIA techs.
This guy says he didn't do so well in high school. And here it turns out he's a super-genius. And he would deny that but its true. What really seals the deal is that he's a great teacher and as near as I can tell he's a super human being. My favorite channel on RUclips
It's amazing to see you're getting 100k+ views on your vids just a few hours after posting, that's more than the whole population of Steuben County, Your content and editing keeps getting bettter and better, keep it up Eric, 1M subs are around the corner big milestone ahead. Kudos!
Your diagnostic skills are always impressive but sometimes your understanding of modern engine technologies is even more so. I looked at a new Kia hybrid yesterday but watching this makes me want to start looking for a couple 60s and 70s cars and buy something I will understand and be able to work on like the old days. Modern cars make me feel so inadequate. Your customers are so lucky to have you.
best cars are 1995-2005 a little earlier on imports best of high performance/longevity AND only needed computers
@@MDAdams72668 pretty much I shouldn't need a module to put my windows up/down lol
Great video and Diag. Eric as always. Those other shops are fortunate to have you to be able to help them out, as well as the people who live there.
Love these diagnostics videos!
I noticed Mrs. O's shop coat was awful white and was missing the South Main Auto Shield on the back. Great Video Eric!
Another great diagnostic video Eric. O. Always a pleasure to watch what you do best.
Great diagnosis and your description is clear and animated enough to keep the attention.
Great diag.! Love following along , tests my self taught mind ! Thanks !
As an old drivability tech from the 90’s and early 2000’s I love watching this stuff.
Love the chill shout out to Ivan. The old TWISTED CAM HYUNDAI.
Sad too that Kia has made hundreds of thousands of cars and this fault probably has raised its head many times, but will they let the public know? Thanks Eric for you most enlightening and entertaining work.👍
I always enjoy your videos and wear my "South Main Auto Repair" swag with pride. Thanks for this and all your videos. Be well!
The way you say "You/We can clearly see"... Idk why but it triggered a memory... In The Princess Bride, Vizzini and Westley are having a battle of wits and Vizzini repeatedly says "clearly" many times during his thought process. This just reminded me of that! 👍👍😂
Your experience pays off. Keep up the good teaching sessions.
Once again, you went above my pay grade. Even if I had the high tech gizmos. At least I can still follow along and learn something. Thanks Mr O.
Always nice to see Mrs. O.
Great video man as usual. Love this kind of stuff.
Got it!
Well explained!
You have a classroom right here on your channel!
Thanks for your time!
Its always a good day to pull out the scope and have a look. You can only get better at using and reading the signals.
One word i can think of for your work and experience.
AMAZING!!
Would it have been an interesting idea to scope the solenoid control signal? Your videos are great, I hope you do not loose interest in posting new ones!
That's why I left it unplugged to remove that variable. It should be set at the base timing with the solenoids unhooked. But that's a great question
@@SouthMainAuto I think also a measurement with 2nd vvt solenoid unplugged would have been good because we saw the values read 0 for either unplugged. Maybe if the one bank stays locked the retard of the chain would be slightly be more or less retarded (compounded problem vvt gears i think they wear out a lot on hyundai / kia. ) I 100% agree with the diag though... the covers have to come off regardless. Hopefully not multiple components plus chains. $$$$$
Since you are smart enough to diagnose this the customer should opt. To have YOU fix it!
I dare say unless the customer is a RUclips fan of SMA (in which case they would have brought it there in the first place), the customer will never know it left the other shop. They will just add whatever they paid Mr O to diag it (plus double it for profit) to the customers "Diagnostic Fee."
Good diagnostic path Eric O scan data can throw you off if you rely on it definitely looks like the cam pid went dead when the cam codes set 21:27 @South Main Auto Repair LLC
Another Great Video. Hope the original shop gives you credit for being able to figure out the timing problem when they present their findings to the customer. Also, must be nice to know that other shops look up to you to figure out things they can't figure out. Love your video keep them coming!
Love that twisted cam vid. Did not expect that
The best!! I’ve watched for years with much learning and enjoyment!!
you have not finished the video ...
The phrase "If I can do it, you can do it" sounds strange when another shop couldn't do it
What you tested made sense and now you have to start taking parts off. Nice Job!
thats cool Kia figured out how to make a chain last no longer than the belt it replaced... Now that is engineering
Thanks again for such an informative video. You demonstrate the how and why so well, and how valuable a PICO scope and known good waveforms are for diagnosis.
Excellent clarity...tools and knowledge is power. best DVD:)
I like it when you get in the details of the pico and how to use it!
All scope diags are 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼. Thank you, Eric.
As a diesel mechanic and having one of these vehicles in my family I really appreciate your hard work and showing and explaining your steps in diagnostics 👍🏼
Great explanation, I was able to follow precisely. Appreciate all you do!
Another great video you are the best diagnostician I've ever seen!
Great teaching lesson. I love the video. Take care, thanks 😊
Excellent teaching!
Great video and explanation of your diagnosis as usual guys!
Thanks for the video Eric.
We love when Mrs. O makes an appearance, shes awesome, always as a smile on her face
CSI Eric on the Kia. I am a consumate learner and I appreciate your ability to help me understand at my novice level. Thanks again. I did a complete head gasket kit repair on my wife's 1998 Buick Century. Took 2 days..heard the eords in my head..
" if i can do it, you can do it"..and yes it runs awesome..thanks
Yo Eric
make sure to give us an update on the Kia. What was causing the issue after all. Keep up the good work!!
Amazing diag. Eric! Your the man. Great video.
As an advanced tech for Toyota I’m not mainline so I don’t do much with diags. I do brakes, tires, certain repairs, aglinments, some diag not much, and other minor things but one day I wanna be mainline and your videos are a world of knowledge getting me prepared so I Thankyou for the videos
"The money light is on." Gotta love it.
Keep us updated, thank you
Agree with you Eric, had a Toyota Highlander same issue. Found timing guide bolt and other loose.
After market Phaser sounds like one!!
That was a good diagnosis. Fascinating
The PID will drop from scan data because the reference voltage signal has open circuit too. Without reference voltage no valid data, if reference is provided.
What reference voltage? Eric unplugged the phasor solenoid not the camshaft sensor. If a reference voltage or +5V supply is involved, it's in the sensor circuit, and that was still connected.
When other shops just can`t figure it out, they send the vehicle to South Main Auto so Eric can figure out what in the thunder is going on. As usual, Prof. O. never disappoints. And explains it so we who know enough to get our butts in trouble, can learn. Thanks Prof. O.
When something throws that many cam timing codes and has a chain, its almost certainly a stretched timing chain or broken guides. Super common problem on multiple engines. Stretched chains are not always noisy. Typically, if you want less chain wear, change the oil at decent intervals, not the bullsh1t 15,000km's /10,000 miles.
Great video Eric O
They don't call it the money light for nothing. Montana registration should fix this right up.
Exact problem I had about 6 months ago on the wife’s 09 Sedona with the 3.8. Went through everything like you did even though it can feel like a waste of time always good to double check and not bring out the cannon to launch parts at it. Unfortunately all routes lead to giving it the works in the yard with a full timing job. Runs like a dream now though.
Got to love the parts cannon before even diagnosing the real problem. That’s why they all come to you Eric. You will diagnose the problem before repairing it.
Eric, Thanks for the insight! What about closure? How am I supposed to sleep at night not knowing if it actually fixed it. I mean I trust you more than any mechanic I ever knew but at least tell us? We trust your honesty!
Between South Main Auto auto and Rainman Ray…it’s the best stuff you can watch on youtube.
Love this video.i learned something.
@ 00:38 I like how you gave historical information a thoughtful but quick review and then moved on to perform your own assessment. @21:33 "...fixing a mechanical problem with cam timing or replacing the engine." I bet the other shop recommends engine replacement simply because that seems like the skill set available at that shop based on prior work product. Hope that shop recommends you to fix the mechanical cam timing issue.
Another total explanation of the problem. Eric is always right on. I've been watching a couple yrs now. Very much enjoy and Ivan at pine hollow in Pa which is where I'm from. Both these guys are super straight up. I would send my car here if I had too😊
Agreed, wouldn't we all. Not having to worry about being taken to the cleaners. Honest mechanics who know what they are doing. Hard to come by these days with how complicated these engines have become.
Excellent diagnosis my friend
Funny, the one I just repaired last week was the solenoid failed. It ran so bad that one bank misfired and flashed the money light like a Christmas tree light. 1,3,5. Connectors blew into pieces once touched also of course, adding to the drama. But it's all fixed now. 1 solenoid can be snuck out, the other nope.
Glad you got this one sorted out too!
Hopefully we get a follow-up if the car owner decides to repair.
The dry door hinges says it all on maintenance
Yeah...even the screen door squawks on a diesel boat...if ignored!!
Oh my gosh, that's the first thing that popped into my head with the door. That creak would drive me nuts.
Well i got an old truck, sprayed the door hinges with lube, the driver's door still squawks. As long as it runs well, and gets me where i want to go, i couldn't care less at this point. Hinges aren't worn either. Low mileage as well.
Proof is in the pudding. Fantastic video Eric O.
Another great video Eric.
Nice job Eric
You are the best diagnostic technician on RUclips. Scanner Danner, diagnose Dan are close but every time I watch one of your videos I learned something new and not only about vehicles but about logical thinking as well. Do you have any other channels that you would recommend as far as teaching goes? Thank you.
You are very good, Eric, thank you.