The fact that this game was so incredibly successful in almost everything even in concocting fan theories about its lore and characters is a testament of its magnificence.
@Ghost Gun Wimmig PewPew Not really, everyone just makes videos of the same shit that is already widely known. This channel is the one that I would exclude from that list though, at least he actually finds new stuff.
My actual favorite quote I live by is " people don't change they just become more who they truly are" God bless rockstar and their genius game designers
I've wondered the same thing, if he was just always that way but the head injury exasperated the impulsiveness, rash thinking and paranoia. Just my opinion but it would make sense to me.
@@someguyik Maybe his near death experience at the trolley made him worried and caused him to make more rash and impulsive choices. Previous Dutch would’ve planned out how to get to Tahiti before getting on the boat, and found a way to persuade the Guarma lady through a mutual agreement, but post accident Dutch was done being convincing. People change after near death experiences, and it isnt always for the better
I always thought it was undisputed that the trolly job accident was the accelerate to Dutchs downfall, it's made very clear he was concussed, which if not properly treated can lead to strange behavior.
Idk personally to me, to blame Dutch’s spiral into madness on a supposed brain injury is kinda an insult to this games amazing writing. It’s way more impactful if you were to assume that he’s always been like this but hides it under a facade. Hints of this can be found before the trolley incident too, as you are only allowed to upgrade Dutch’s tent before anyone else’s and in Ch 1 he ignores Hoseas pleas to not go after Cornwall. I do think that the trolley incident made him rash but not a brain injury. All personal opinion tho, to each their own
The theory about undead nightmare being john’s dream actually does explains one thing I always wondered since playing the game and that was how john kinda got adapted to the situation very quickly, the whole game he has little reaction to everything happening around him. Literally asking the simplest questions to understand the situation like it was just an odd day nothing more.
@@smokey3504 i've never played undead Nightmare or really had any interest in It until your commenti. I'm a big fan of SH so i'd be curious to see what you mean
@@thekingsean92 Trust me it's only the dialogue. Gameplay-wise it far more closely resembles Resident Evil. As a fan of all three I'd reccomend it though, just don't go in expecting the strongest plot
@@smokey3504 thanks, it's a shame about the plot since RDR1 and RDR2 have some of the best storylines in games. I never played It because it's basically non canon to the main games and doesn't fit with those game's dramatic story but i should check it out anyway.
Uncle always felt like he was holding back on purpose, not just cuz he was a drunk but cuz he was done fighting. If he had stopped being lazy and drinking I'd like think he'd rival some of the top members. Most of the gang was raised by Dutch(apart from Hosea and Strauss), but Uncle raised himself and still managed to live longer than the entire gang. Like that old saying goes "beware the old man in a profession where men usually die young". Even if he isn't Red, he's got a past that I'd imagine would rival it
Dutch changing after getting a bang on the head during the trolley crash mirrors Arthur catching TB during the debt collection mission - back then so little was understood about those kinds of illnesses / injuries - even today we're only just getting to understand how a "bang on the head" can scramble people's brains with recent advances in research around concussion, but back when the game is set it just seems to come from nowhere - it's ignorance and accidents that ultimately brings down the Van Der Lind gang, as those small seeming incidents are allowed to snowball untreated to run their course.
Yeah same with lumbago, back before RDR2 came out pretty much nobody knows what lumbago was including myself but now after RDR2 came out pretty much everybody knows what lumbago is and it has become a meme
The craziest theory I've heard is that Micah wasn't the rat, and that it was actually Jack who accidentally told the cops everything while he was with Bronte because he didn't know any better. Edit: Just to clarify, when I said "told the cops everything," I meant told them where the gang was, and what he knew about them as best he could because the cops told him it would help them "find his family". He's still just a four-year-old, and obviously doesn't what the gang really is, or what it's actually done.
I always thought that dutch was always like that and stress from failed jobs plus the pursuing pinkertons just caused the mask to crack. But brain injury too is also a good theory
dutch was already acting funny from before the start of 2 from the sounds of it. Plus early on in Valentine.. he can come off strange at moments with Arthur.. Barking at him for standing too close.. or saying He'll betray him. I really think its a mix of it all and a slow burn to the end. He had Micah in his ear... which caused him to shoot the girl and start doing things out of character.. Then from there as more folks began to die on his watch... he would sink a little worse.. then the head injury... then Hosea... then Micah could fully step in and manipulate the rest of the way.
I think Dutch was always unhinged, its just Hosea's death trigged his chaotic episodes because he was the only one who could sorta kinda talk sense into him. Just crazy man desperately trying to hold onto the old ways but got a lot of innocent people hurt/killed along with his gang members.
Dutch’s character is so good, idk if it was a combination of the head injury and seeing Hosea shot that made him go crazy. Idk if he slowly cracks under the pressure of the weight of the world closing in on him and the way he starts acting towards the gang is him clinging onto the last little bit of power he has, or idk if he just starts showing his true colours and does anything for his own benefit.
Benjamin Bryon Davis's portrayal of dutch is fantastic, such a fantastic actor who played the different moments of Dutch amazingly, this game had and still has one of best casts ever for a game in history
My theory is Dutch always had a bit of craziness in him, but I think he first started to change sometime before blackwater. He never got over Annabelles death and Micah started getting in his head and playing with that craziness. Then the constant failures, stress, pressure, and deaths took a huge toll. Hosea's death especially hit him the hardest. Then the head injury was the final touch that took him completely over the edge.
Honestly, for Dutch I think it's both, head injuries can lead to paranoia and psychosis and in addition to that he basically lost the most important person in his life, probably thinking it's his fault. Hosea and him had been together almost all his life. He watched him die. That kind of trauma does crazy things to people. Those two factors, failures, betrayal, grief, anxiety and and and.. that's what made him crazy. That's not just a theory imo.
On the other side of the coin, Dutch was speaking I'll of Hosea even before the bank robbery, so I think, that even just a little bit of him was glad Hosea was killed so he wouldn't be hindered by someone he knew was a voice of reason.
Remember what Hosea said up in the mountains, “I think Dutch has finally lost it.” The brain injury may have contributed to him coming undone, but it wasn’t the root cause. No, whatever it was (his inability to “stop fighting”, some unknown trauma, the stress of the outlaw life or something else) just ate away at him until he became the person we see him become towards the end of the game. Remember, according to Arthur’s journal he was acting strange long before the Ferry Job. The gang had found a good piece of land they could afford to buy and settle down on, everyone liked it and no one was coming for them but Dutch (without explaining why) decided against it. I believe that if Dutch had been in his right mind he would’ve had the gang settle down there and just had them hung up their weapons. Instead, they just kept wandering and well… The rest is history…
I think Dutch's spiral downward was a combination of Micah whispering in his ear, the gangs ever increasing expectation of freedom, Pinkerton pressure and the deaths of the Blackwater ferry girl and other gang members. All of it just added up and helped crack the facade. In the end, deep down he only cared about himself but whatever good was in there was fully erased by the end and his narcicism fully took over.
I absolutely believe that Dutchs head injury is what caused him to go over the edge. I remember when playing that mission at that exact moment I was like "This is it.". He literally changes right after and goes into a downward spiral.
I think everything had something to do with Dutch's descent into madness. The trolley incident just took away his sanity which was the only thing holding him together. He was falling apart the entire game as his entire goals became narcissistic desires and he began to enjoy the outlaw life continuing to make excuses to stay.
I feel like Dutch was a mix of everything, the only problem is, we have no idea if his slightly paranoid behavior was a thing before Blackwater and he just hid it well, or if he was completely calm, the Blackwater heist failed and he slowly started to decline. He definitely has his most violent switches in personality after the trolley crash and Hosea dying. I'd imagine he started to get a bit paranoid after Blackwater as he already felt there might be a rat. The head injury, which Rockstar went out of their way to make clear he'd suffered, made it worse and Hosea's death sent him completely over the edge. Anyone he thinks has traitorous behavior who gets taken or is on the brink of being killed gets left. He goes out of his way to save Javier in Guarama but the moment they return to land he completely ignores John being arrested, him being shot, Arthur about to be killed, and is more than happy to let Abigail die too.
I love the theory that Dutch lost his way after the Trolley accident. It’s an incredible and subtle way of advancing his character from an idealist to crazed outlaw.
Never understood why fans think uncle if red. He has a completely different personality, someone like red would never be what uncle becomes. Uncle lacks reds scars, burned hand, reds father's revolver, the ages don't line up at all. Revolver is set in the 1880s, with red being somewhere in his early 20s, which completely destroys the theory, I highly doubt that red ages 30+ years and became a fat old lazy man with grey hair in the span of half a decade
My favorite that I'm 90% sure I made is that Micah in the beginning was a rat for colm but in the end went with Milton because he new that outlaws were dying off so he knew colm couldn't help him my reason is about 50% of Micah missions involve colm in some way and 100% always end in a shoot out like Micah wants the odriscols to win so that he can tell the gang make them mad and lead them in a trap and then colm would pay him so yeah that's my opinion
Am I the only one JUST now realizing that there's a Harry Potter reference in gta? I was looking at the books to see if there's any other references 5o rockstar characters in gta and about 2-3 books to the left of the red dead book, it's a book written by "H. Potter"
I like the theory that it's autobiographical about Jack and the book in GTAV is his. The whole uncle was Red in RDrevolver, it lines up. The downside is there's no more of these characters in any further incursions unless they back up further and start with Mac Callander and his brother joining the gang and covering the Blackwater debacle.
One of my favourite theories is that rdr2 is a book written by Jack (and the same one Franklin had in his house). It makes sense as the game is split into chapters, and the intro show’s writing that sets up the beginning of game. The theory goes Jack got Arthur’s journal after John died, and after killing agent Ross he became an author.
Dutch was always crazy. Lying and giving false hopes even before Chapter 1. I like to think the head injury just made his mental state even worse and more out in the open.
Dutch has always been a little odd for me, remember that note of the speech that he left in the Horseshoe Overlook? What kind of a guy would write down a speech while seeing his comrades almost dying due to low temperature? It seems like he really had changed in that ferry raid and we’ve just wittnessed a slow progression of his disease…
I think because of what happened at the ferry job, Dutch realised he was in too deep, and a lot of shit happened that was terrible and he probably felt like he lost a lot of control (thanks Micah). Due to the fact he feels like he lost control, he scrambles for months to feel like he's getting it back, which obviously he never does, because shit goes south from making rash decision after rash decision (again, Micah is the root cause here even though nobody notices for a long time). I think all this power loss and then the trolley incident happens right after the bank robbery and again, it's probably feeling like the ferry job all over again and he panics, but then he hits his head, and this is the straw on the camels back into him finally losing grip on reality, his power, his influence, everything. The ferry job chaos and killing that girl was definitely the catalyst to his downfall, but the slow loss of power and his 'prestige' then the smack to the head really just toppled him.
About Dutch going crazy, if i recall correctly Hosea says to Arthur in the prologue, something's up with Dutch, so i don't think Hosea's death or the trolley accident are the reason(though they may have increased it). About the Uncle being Red Harlow; i used to like the story back during the rdr1 days, but after having played Red Dead Revolver i don't think Uncle is Red Harlow. Back then the theory was also backed up by uncle wearing 1 glove, which would be in line with Red's burned hand. This however is not the case in RDR2. And for people saying he has a burn mark on his hand, this is false, it's just dirt, check his other hand it looks just the same. Uncle also doesn't have the facial scars Red has. Also Red was never called "The one shot kid", the only nickname he had was "Bountyhunter". Also Uncle is known for telling stories, you'd expect him to tell stories about the events of Red Dead Revolver if he really was Red.
The Uncle/Red Harlow theory is funny. I think it's just your standard fan that wants everything to line up in a neat little box. Like how in Star Wars everybody gotta know everybody. Uncle being the same age as Red would be and both his parents dying at a young age and he apparently had a nickname that Red didn't even have in that game. I wonder if anyone else in the 19th century could be middle aged by 1899 and have lost their parents young. Nope, people just never died tragically and randomly in that time period. What if, instead, Uncle is just an older man who they wrote for the Red Dead games and there's no real continuity that matters between Red Dead Revolver and Red Dead Redemption 🤯
Personally I think Dutch was always the man he became to be later in the story but the trolley incident was the ignition of his villain arch. Something definitely happened to him after hitting his head and even in the mission he kept talking about how his head hurt and how he felt weird which makes this “rumour” pretty much canon in some sort of way.
the jacks book theory is a good one it actually kinda supports the theory that uncle is red harlow because if red dead revolver was just a story from uncle it could also be uncles story from his youth thats just i think could be
I think Uncle is Red Harlow and Red Dead Revolver is an exaggerated version of his life-story. RDR2 even has an in-game parallel to Uncle in Jim 'Boy' Calloway. The real Calloway is shown to be a drunken idiot whereas by the time of the epilogue, there is a book called 'Boy Calloway and the Mountains of the Moon'. I'm quite intrigued by the different dynamics between Hosea-Uncle and Dutch-Uncle. Dutch doesn't just tolerate Uncle, he actually enjoys having him around as a personal court jester. I think this is because Dutch grew up reading the stories of the legendary Red Harlow and loves the ego boost of having his childhood hero live as his loyal subject. Hosea, on the other hand, never really shows any extreme emotion towards Uncle, however Hosea does not berate Uncle for not working to find new opportunities for the gang. Bill, a senior member of the gang, and Sean, a newer member, both fall afoul of Hosea for not working enough, but never Uncle. I think Dutch and Hosea both know that Uncle is none other than Red Harlow, and while Hosea is content to let the older man live out his days in relative comfort, Dutch demands tribute in the form of a clown character that Uncle is too happy to assume. This is also why Uncle's analysis of Dutch's intentions is so cutting and accurate, and Dutch is so deeply affected by it because it comes from the frail remnant of his childhood hero.
Another theorie is micah wasn't the rat, it was abigail, mainly bc everything that happened to John and Jack n also she killed Milton to make sure he didn't say anything about it after he blamed it on micah, a close associate to dutch to 1, separate the gang and 2 to help abigail
Strange man is really a Strange Man, I was wishing that he uploads a video on Uncle being Red Harlow and here it is. Strange Man knows what his subscribers wants
These theories are very interesting, but in particular I would like to focus on Dutch's. He may change after that accident on the train, but I think he's a bad person inside
It's possible that Dutch got a fractured skull or something like that during the trolley accident which could have put pressure on his brain causing him to think and do irrational things and not trust even people close to him.
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My personal theory is Old Man Cassidy is a heavenly, friendly spirit who brings good and comfort whereas the Strange Man comes from hell and brings evil
I saw a cat in Emerald ranch at night. I just stepped outside the old bar and stood in front of it. I saw a couple of cats and one sprinted really fast up a small hill. For some reason I wanted to follow the cat so I did. It went all the way north to a small house near a small lake. It stood still right between two trees and stared at a chest underneath a small wagon or whatever you guys call it. It gave me a dynamite volatile pamphlet so I found this really an amazing encounter. I really don't think it was random. The cat ran directly to that direction.
Great video. I think all theories make some form of sense, the most logical being Dutch's brain injury. The trolley crash and concussion, combined with Hosea's death's emotional trauma, sent Dutch off the edge. That led to rash decision-making and a villainous turn during which he sought out chaos and violence. The Uncle/Red Harlow theory is fun, but I don't believe it's true. I love the last one and could see Jack becoming an author and writing about his experiences with the gang as a child.
About Dutch, it could be either a brain trauma (if his frontal lobes were damaged during the accident, that could explain his violent impulses leading him to kill people or leaving his friends in danger) or a psychological trauma (started back on the ferry heist and exploded after the tram accident), or even a combination of the two elements. This theory is based on real neuroscience and psychology studies, but since we’re talking about a character and not about an existing human being, it’s all speculation. It would be nice if the developers answered to that question!
For Dutch, I think it was a combined effort of the trolley, Hosea's death, and Guarma. The trolley messed up his head, Hosea's death meant he could go all out without holding back and Guarma broke him.
The undead nightmare is probably the most likely one of these to have any truth. Hitting his head in the trolley caused a concussion but it wasn't the cause of Dutch's madness. Dutch and Hosea were arguing from chapter 1, and its clear that Dutch was changing even before the Blackwater massacre, Arthur mentions this at least twice. Dutch makes some highly questionable decisions early in the game. In chapter 2 Hosea is busy trying to get certain members of the gang to wise up and get out, in particular John and Lenny because he knows something is wrong. My personal theory is Dutch started to lose it after Annabel was killed by Colm. Hosea was able to keep a brake on the madness to an extent however once he was killed, there was nobody capable to keeping a rein on Dutch, most couldn't even see it to be fair, or didn't want to. Uncle isn't Red. Seeing as Red and John have the same facial scars and both were orphaned I'd definitely be persuaded by the arguement that Red Dead Revolver was written by Jack.
I think its a combination of it all. The constant infighting and doubting, the people he hold dear to him died due to irrational decisions, and likely the mild injury he couldve sustained to his brain and the constant fighting of society which he despises for his utopian society that which he failed to accomplish is what led to his eventual derangement. Whats interesting is that in the chapter in which jack marston gets a dog dutch named the dog cain now dutch explains to jack that cain was a man that did something bad and so never stopped wandering. Dutch wouldnt just name a random dog cain if it didnt somehow reflect his personal choices and in effect is what the entire gang is doing they do something bad or dutch does something bad and they constantly wander from one place to the next
I have a detail to share with you. While cooking any meat on a campfire, you can hold "cook" button to cook it faster (2 times faster). Many people doesn't know about that
10:36 i also think that. would also make sense to the fact, that this history is called "Red Dead Redemption". Jack was the only guy who fully grow up in such a gang he was born into it. and since then he only experienced the new gang which was not anymore like the old vision of robbing rich and giving it to poor people, but taking revenges and killing folks.
There's a random camp dialogue (can be found as early as chapter 2) where Dutch out of nowhere states "I expect you'll betray me in the end." Arthur: Is that so Dutch: You're telling me. With Arthur perplexed he can ask " Why would you say that?" Dutch says, "I don't know I guess I must tired." Arthur: "That's a strange thing to say...." I think Dutch's descent into madness should be an entire video in this channel.
Holes with the Uncle is Harlow theory: 1) Harlow was obviously older than 9 when his dad was killed 2) The scars on Harlow don't quite match up with Uncle's (they are definatly similar so a case for style difference could be made, but that doesn't cut it for me) 3) Harlow's Scorpion revolver (the one he got from his father) is in RDR2 and NOT in Uncle's possession (You could make a case for him having lost it, but I'd imagine we'd hear from Uncle a story about loosing his father's gun as that'd be an important moment in his life) 4) Uncle and Harlow act nothing alike. RDR ends with Harlow giving up on a large sum of money that tecnically was rightfully his since he won it in a competition even saying "It was never about the money". I just can't see Uncle doing that. (I suppose you could make a case for people changing over time, but it does seem like a 180) We may never know for sure though since Rockstar refuses to give an answer. What do you guys think?
I've seen so many people claim the Scorpion Revolver is in RDR 2 but can never seem to actually find it. Oh yeah, that's because those people are conflating the Scorpion engraving customization option with the revolver itself it's not actually present in the game.
My favorite mystery is when Milton says Micah has been a good boy since picking him up AFTER Quarma. Right before Abigail shot him quickly. Plus Micah had never been at camp when I robbed the train in ch 2. When cops show up right away. So who was the rat before that. I like Abigail for many reasons. One she was the only one that knew where Arthur and Jack went fishing. Thanks for video.
Dude! Most people don’t realize it, but it was clear as day the reason Dutch went crazy with his jealousy towards Brontë. He literally saw the man he was supposed to be, and had none of it. At that point he didn’t care what he had to sacrifice, in order to make his dreams a reality. Even if that meant lining himself up with Micah’s ideals in order to do so.
I still think Dutch went crazy over Hosea’s death. Theory being: A death of a best friend, he was the support to Dutch, like a Angel on his shoulder telling him when he goes too far or stops him when his ideas sounds like a reckless, bad plan. But without that support, Dutch looses his control, making him unable to fight for what’s right or what to be loyal to. Which made it impossible to handle the gangs downfall. “You can’t fight change.” That sense Dutch had from being supported helped him make somewhat of a complete plan. Without it, leads to empty and reckless “plans” and no one to lean on for help. The support that made him think clearly about a heist was gone, making the gang split up when Dutch needed someone by his side the most. But no one who were hopeful and loyal from the start listened. The only one he had by his side was Micah, which didn’t support him in the slightest, but made him brainwashed by agreeing to every wrong move Dutch thought of. That way Micah can easily manipulate Dutch to do what he wants. - The results of that being, a total disaster..just like the Blackwater Heist told in the beginning, where Hosea wasn’t present. Only Dutch, and..Micah.
A remake of Red Dead Revolver in the RAGE engine would help us figure out if Uncle is Red Harlow or not. Dutch's head injury makes a whole lot of sense. I love these fan theories.
Dan Houser once said the two games are separate but GTA3 and 4 are meant to be separate yet The City in Manhunt is talked about in GTA3 and GTA5. So who knows.
Ive been on the Dutch head-trauma train since 2018. The fact that R* has the repetition of dialogue about it indicates to me that they want to player to tuck that away. It makes little sense for them to make a deal out of it and then its just gone. We dont know enough about the shooting on the ferry but what we DO know is prior to this Dutch is always steering Arthur away from killing and his missions all have him using his mouth and not guns until after the trolley wreck
I agree with the "trolley brain injury" theory. From a directing standpoint, they draw *so* much attention to the fact that he just took that hit; you wouldn't do that without reason
I don’t think Uncle was meant to be Red Harlow but Rockstar probably regrets that decision, that’s why there’s so many hints despite the evidence to the contrary.
@@KC.45 I’m not a fan, simply interested. Theres a hell of a lot of coincidences in rdr2, which tells me Rockstar is probably playing into it a little bit, tho it’s certain Uncle was never planned to be Red Harlow.
About Uncle being Red Harlow; I just wonder if Uncle has Red's scars under his beard. Maybe he does and they're hidden behind his beard (in theory or even on his skin model under his beard, if they thought to detail them). Maybe he grows out his beard to hide those identifying marks.
Rockstar have confirmed they're different characters people need to stop spouting dumb theories like this and actually look what Rockstar themselves say.
about dutch. I would say he started changing after the blackwater massacre. but he kept himself under check. the reason for me thinking so is because he accuses Arthur many times, so he also starts getting paranoia. which, the train accident just amplified and dutch from that moment starts losing control of himself. but he was always like that, crazy. the trolley just removed that little of brain he had
I'm not a fan of the brain injury theory, it kind of excuses Dutch's behavior and decisions onward, like "it's not his fault, he's injured". I don't buy it. To me, Dutch always had that dark side in him, but people like Hosea kept him on the right side. But then Micah joined the gang, and that's when Dutch's dark side started to come as he influenced him. He choose to prioritize the ferry heist Micah absolutly wanted to do in Blackwater, them he killed Heidi McCourt in cold blood. And when Hosea died, Micah became his right hand and that was it, Dutch became the criminal he tried not to be for good.
I like to theorize that undead nightmare takes place after John dies and is actually just him going through purgatory. Seeing people he remembers from his recent past and dealing with a nightmarish plague in a place he can’t escape. Not quite dead but not quite living either. Very similar to Mob of the Dead’s story from Black Ops 2 for a reference.
With Dutch I feel like every and all theories are correct. It really couldn't have been just one thing to make him go crazy. Sure the head injury didn't help at all, but neither did everything before or after it.
I always thought it was undisputed that the trolly job accident was the accelerate to Dutchs downfall, it's made very clear he was concussed, which if not properly treated can lead to strange behavior.
With the Dutch going crazy theory it is really a culmination of many factors; all the loses, the deaths, the loss of faith and hits to Dutch's ego made him a little mad. The bang on the head probably worsened matters significantly but I doubt if it hadn't happened things would have been very different. The Uncle being Red Harlow theory is one that's been around since RDR1 and I never believed it. You can disprove it by simply looking at Uncles hand and seeing no scars, which is sort of a big part of Reds character... It feels like a fake story Uncle would tell around the campfire.
I lean heavily into Dutch getting a head injury. I'm certain he was always capable of a bit of crazy, but if you listen to the camp fire stories, and see how he treats everyone throughout, he wasn't often needlessly rash. His ego played a big role, certainly, but with swelling to the brain, losing his dearest friend, the law closing in\plans going to sh!t, and Micah in his ear whenever he could toss a word -- it all piles on. After Hosea died Dutch didn't completely trust himself, or anyone else. That's why when someone challenged his choices he questioned their "loyalty". I can't excuse his worst behaviors, but based on the look of his face after Arthur confesses "I gave you all I had" and how he realizes that sacrifice is happening at his feet, he walks away from Micah. I truly believe that Dutch figured it all out. So, he went back to Micah as a means to get the money, Micah's gang, and revenge. He saw Arthur when he looked at John on top of that mountain and decided to right at least one wrong. Just my take, though. 🍻
good work, again! but the structure of this vid is really not planned out well my friend, especially when it comes to Hosea being shot dead in one mission and seemingly alive in the next. Still this a lot of work and I appreciate your commitment and insight
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The fact that this game was so incredibly successful in almost everything even in concocting fan theories about its lore and characters is a testament of its magnificence.
concocting? testament?
@@waaavyyy "concocting" = coming up with/ creating/ producing.
@@ito2789 appreciate it
@Ghost Gun Wimmig PewPew Not really, everyone just makes videos of the same shit that is already widely known. This channel is the one that I would exclude from that list though, at least he actually finds new stuff.
That u dutch?!
It’s crazy to see how well rdr1 holds up almost 13 years later
Cool to see you here
Lol u here
Classics are timeless. Not crazy at all
My actual favorite quote I live by is " people don't change they just become more who they truly are" God bless rockstar and their genius game designers
Howdy RedsDeadBaby
I really love the idea that goofy old uncle is actually a hardened veteran sharpshooter who went soft and ACTUALLY retired, even in his mind.
Maybe that's how he got lumbago
It's hard to tell whether Dutch was always crazy or if it was the trolley job
There were signs in chapter 1 that Dutch wasn't the guy he told everyone he was.
I've wondered the same thing, if he was just always that way but the head injury exasperated the impulsiveness, rash thinking and paranoia. Just my opinion but it would make sense to me.
@@someguyik Maybe his near death experience at the trolley made him worried and caused him to make more rash and impulsive choices. Previous Dutch would’ve planned out how to get to Tahiti before getting on the boat, and found a way to persuade the Guarma lady through a mutual agreement, but post accident Dutch was done being convincing. People change after near death experiences, and it isnt always for the better
I always thought it was undisputed that the trolly job accident was the accelerate to Dutchs downfall, it's made very clear he was concussed, which if not properly treated can lead to strange behavior.
Idk personally to me, to blame Dutch’s spiral into madness on a supposed brain injury is kinda an insult to this games amazing writing. It’s way more impactful if you were to assume that he’s always been like this but hides it under a facade. Hints of this can be found before the trolley incident too, as you are only allowed to upgrade Dutch’s tent before anyone else’s and in Ch 1 he ignores Hoseas pleas to not go after Cornwall. I do think that the trolley incident made him rash but not a brain injury. All personal opinion tho, to each their own
The Dutch's head injury, Uncle is Red Harlow, and Jack's books are my favorite Red Dead Redemption theories.
because theyre true
@@L4ftyOne Uncle is not Red Harlow
@@ComeMoonandStar. He is you can see his burned Right hand and a red scarf from his daddy.
@@Joanlow1440p he doesn't have the scorpion
@@Joanlow1440p he doesn't the scars. Scars that deep don't fade
Rdr1 and 2 being based on autobiographical books written by Jack is the best outcome honestly.
The theory about undead nightmare being john’s dream actually does explains one thing I always wondered since playing the game and that was how john kinda got adapted to the situation very quickly, the whole game he has little reaction to everything happening around him. Literally asking the simplest questions to understand the situation like it was just an odd day nothing more.
Yeah all the dialogue has this sort of dream-like quality to it, similar to Silent Hill 2
@@smokey3504 i've never played undead Nightmare or really had any interest in It until your commenti. I'm a big fan of SH so i'd be curious to see what you mean
@@thekingsean92 Trust me it's only the dialogue. Gameplay-wise it far more closely resembles Resident Evil. As a fan of all three I'd reccomend it though, just don't go in expecting the strongest plot
@@smokey3504 thanks, it's a shame about the plot since RDR1 and RDR2 have some of the best storylines in games. I never played It because it's basically non canon to the main games and doesn't fit with those game's dramatic story but i should check it out anyway.
Idk bruh the dlc is called undead “nightmare’ so y’all ain’t really pulling at straws saying it was a dream
Despite all the proof, I still keep my personal headcanon that Uncle is Red Harlow. I feel it adds to the story
Only one problem with that..uncle doesn't have the scorpion on his hand like Red Harlow does.
Yeah I keep like that to I think it's a cool concept and it is possible
Uncle always felt like he was holding back on purpose, not just cuz he was a drunk but cuz he was done fighting. If he had stopped being lazy and drinking I'd like think he'd rival some of the top members. Most of the gang was raised by Dutch(apart from Hosea and Strauss), but Uncle raised himself and still managed to live longer than the entire gang. Like that old saying goes "beware the old man in a profession where men usually die young". Even if he isn't Red, he's got a past that I'd imagine would rival it
@@FaithEditz1899 listen dutch
@@zenith8417 who knows.. that'd be dope tho
Dutch changing after getting a bang on the head during the trolley crash mirrors Arthur catching TB during the debt collection mission - back then so little was understood about those kinds of illnesses / injuries - even today we're only just getting to understand how a "bang on the head" can scramble people's brains with recent advances in research around concussion, but back when the game is set it just seems to come from nowhere - it's ignorance and accidents that ultimately brings down the Van Der Lind gang, as those small seeming incidents are allowed to snowball untreated to run their course.
Yeah same with lumbago, back before RDR2 came out pretty much nobody knows what lumbago was including myself but now after RDR2 came out pretty much everybody knows what lumbago is and it has become a meme
The craziest theory I've heard is that Micah wasn't the rat, and that it was actually Jack who accidentally told the cops everything while he was with Bronte because he didn't know any better.
Edit: Just to clarify, when I said "told the cops everything," I meant told them where the gang was, and what he knew about them as best he could because the cops told him it would help them "find his family". He's still just a four-year-old, and obviously doesn't what the gang really is, or what it's actually done.
They weren't planning to rob the saint denis bank at that point though
lol no
It was Trelawny
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It was Pearson
I always thought that dutch was always like that and stress from failed jobs plus the pursuing pinkertons just caused the mask to crack. But brain injury too is also a good theory
My theory is he is changed on guarma
Yeah, just like Rains Fall said "People don't change. They just become more of who they really are".
I'm cut from the stem stuff as you, bro. This banging his head, then going off the rails... thats too big a hint to ignore.
dutch was already acting funny from before the start of 2 from the sounds of it. Plus early on in Valentine.. he can come off strange at moments with Arthur.. Barking at him for standing too close.. or saying He'll betray him. I really think its a mix of it all and a slow burn to the end. He had Micah in his ear... which caused him to shoot the girl and start doing things out of character.. Then from there as more folks began to die on his watch... he would sink a little worse.. then the head injury... then Hosea... then Micah could fully step in and manipulate the rest of the way.
I think Dutch was always unhinged, its just Hosea's death trigged his chaotic episodes because he was the only one who could sorta kinda talk sense into him.
Just crazy man desperately trying to hold onto the old ways but got a lot of innocent people hurt/killed along with his gang members.
yeah, i think your right. Dutch say that Hosea kept him line.
Dutch’s character is so good, idk if it was a combination of the head injury and seeing Hosea shot that made him go crazy. Idk if he slowly cracks under the pressure of the weight of the world closing in on him and the way he starts acting towards the gang is him clinging onto the last little bit of power he has, or idk if he just starts showing his true colours and does anything for his own benefit.
Benjamin Bryon Davis's portrayal of dutch is fantastic, such a fantastic actor who played the different moments of Dutch amazingly, this game had and still has one of best casts ever for a game in history
My theory is Dutch always had a bit of craziness in him, but I think he first started to change sometime before blackwater. He never got over Annabelles death and Micah started getting in his head and playing with that craziness. Then the constant failures, stress, pressure, and deaths took a huge toll. Hosea's death especially hit him the hardest. Then the head injury was the final touch that took him completely over the edge.
Honestly, for Dutch I think it's both, head injuries can lead to paranoia and psychosis and in addition to that he basically lost the most important person in his life, probably thinking it's his fault. Hosea and him had been together almost all his life. He watched him die. That kind of trauma does crazy things to people. Those two factors, failures, betrayal, grief, anxiety and and and.. that's what made him crazy. That's not just a theory imo.
On the other side of the coin, Dutch was speaking I'll of Hosea even before the bank robbery, so I think, that even just a little bit of him was glad Hosea was killed so he wouldn't be hindered by someone he knew was a voice of reason.
I still can't accept the fact that this game is 5 years old already
and still sooooo good
Remember what Hosea said up in the mountains, “I think Dutch has finally lost it.” The brain injury may have contributed to him coming undone, but it wasn’t the root cause. No, whatever it was (his inability to “stop fighting”, some unknown trauma, the stress of the outlaw life or something else) just ate away at him until he became the person we see him become towards the end of the game.
Remember, according to Arthur’s journal he was acting strange long before the Ferry Job. The gang had found a good piece of land they could afford to buy and settle down on, everyone liked it and no one was coming for them but Dutch (without explaining why) decided against it. I believe that if Dutch had been in his right mind he would’ve had the gang settle down there and just had them hung up their weapons. Instead, they just kept wandering and well… The rest is history…
Everytime I watch one of these I always get the strongest urges to redownload and start a new play through. Great video as always 👍
I think you’re an insanely talented editor and producer of content, strange man.
The GTA music cut-in absolutely perfectly.
Keep up the good work!
A bit easy to impress but ok...
I think Dutch's spiral downward was a combination of Micah whispering in his ear, the gangs ever increasing expectation of freedom, Pinkerton pressure and the deaths of the Blackwater ferry girl and other gang members. All of it just added up and helped crack the facade. In the end, deep down he only cared about himself but whatever good was in there was fully erased by the end and his narcicism fully took over.
I absolutely believe that Dutchs head injury is what caused him to go over the edge.
I remember when playing that mission at that exact moment I was like "This is it.".
He literally changes right after and goes into a downward spiral.
The theory of Dutch going crazy after the trolley crash is the one that makes the most sense
I think everything had something to do with Dutch's descent into madness. The trolley incident just took away his sanity which was the only thing holding him together. He was falling apart the entire game as his entire goals became narcissistic desires and he began to enjoy the outlaw life continuing to make excuses to stay.
I feel like Dutch was a mix of everything, the only problem is, we have no idea if his slightly paranoid behavior was a thing before Blackwater and he just hid it well, or if he was completely calm, the Blackwater heist failed and he slowly started to decline. He definitely has his most violent switches in personality after the trolley crash and Hosea dying. I'd imagine he started to get a bit paranoid after Blackwater as he already felt there might be a rat. The head injury, which Rockstar went out of their way to make clear he'd suffered, made it worse and Hosea's death sent him completely over the edge. Anyone he thinks has traitorous behavior who gets taken or is on the brink of being killed gets left. He goes out of his way to save Javier in Guarama but the moment they return to land he completely ignores John being arrested, him being shot, Arthur about to be killed, and is more than happy to let Abigail die too.
I love all of these theories, they make so much sense, and Uncle definitely is Red Harlow in my mind!
Head trauma does make go crazy. Most like to increase anger and aggression. A lot of combat athletes become violent with age. CTE is no joke.
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I love the theory that Dutch lost his way after the Trolley accident. It’s an incredible and subtle way of advancing his character from an idealist to crazed outlaw.
I think the reason Dutch went crazy is a combination of all of those things, and Micah,
Never understood why fans think uncle if red. He has a completely different personality, someone like red would never be what uncle becomes. Uncle lacks reds scars, burned hand, reds father's revolver, the ages don't line up at all. Revolver is set in the 1880s, with red being somewhere in his early 20s, which completely destroys the theory, I highly doubt that red ages 30+ years and became a fat old lazy man with grey hair in the span of half a decade
My favorite that I'm 90% sure I made is that Micah in the beginning was a rat for colm but in the end went with Milton because he new that outlaws were dying off so he knew colm couldn't help him my reason is about 50% of Micah missions involve colm in some way and 100% always end in a shoot out like Micah wants the odriscols to win so that he can tell the gang make them mad and lead them in a trap and then colm would pay him so yeah that's my opinion
Am I the only one JUST now realizing that there's a Harry Potter reference in gta? I was looking at the books to see if there's any other references 5o rockstar characters in gta and about 2-3 books to the left of the red dead book, it's a book written by "H. Potter"
I like the theory that it's autobiographical about Jack and the book in GTAV is his. The whole uncle was Red in RDrevolver, it lines up. The downside is there's no more of these characters in any further incursions unless they back up further and start with Mac Callander and his brother joining the gang and covering the Blackwater debacle.
I really hope they go back to when Arthur and John were teenagers and join up with Dutch. up till the Blackwater massacre.
@AMERICAN BADASS 14 that's what I want too
@@americanbadass88wouldn’t make sense.
One of my favourite theories is that rdr2 is a book written by Jack (and the same one Franklin had in his house). It makes sense as the game is split into chapters, and the intro show’s writing that sets up the beginning of game. The theory goes Jack got Arthur’s journal after John died, and after killing agent Ross he became an author.
Dutch was always crazy. Lying and giving false hopes even before Chapter 1. I like to think the head injury just made his mental state even worse and more out in the open.
Dutch has always been a little odd for me, remember that note of the speech that he left in the Horseshoe Overlook? What kind of a guy would write down a speech while seeing his comrades almost dying due to low temperature? It seems like he really had changed in that ferry raid and we’ve just wittnessed a slow progression of his disease…
I think because of what happened at the ferry job, Dutch realised he was in too deep, and a lot of shit happened that was terrible and he probably felt like he lost a lot of control (thanks Micah). Due to the fact he feels like he lost control, he scrambles for months to feel like he's getting it back, which obviously he never does, because shit goes south from making rash decision after rash decision (again, Micah is the root cause here even though nobody notices for a long time). I think all this power loss and then the trolley incident happens right after the bank robbery and again, it's probably feeling like the ferry job all over again and he panics, but then he hits his head, and this is the straw on the camels back into him finally losing grip on reality, his power, his influence, everything. The ferry job chaos and killing that girl was definitely the catalyst to his downfall, but the slow loss of power and his 'prestige' then the smack to the head really just toppled him.
Fire editing as always 🔥🔥
About Dutch going crazy, if i recall correctly Hosea says to Arthur in the prologue, something's up with Dutch, so i don't think Hosea's death or the trolley accident are the reason(though they may have increased it).
About the Uncle being Red Harlow; i used to like the story back during the rdr1 days, but after having played Red Dead Revolver i don't think Uncle is Red Harlow. Back then the theory was also backed up by uncle wearing 1 glove, which would be in line with Red's burned hand. This however is not the case in RDR2. And for people saying he has a burn mark on his hand, this is false, it's just dirt, check his other hand it looks just the same. Uncle also doesn't have the facial scars Red has. Also Red was never called "The one shot kid", the only nickname he had was "Bountyhunter".
Also Uncle is known for telling stories, you'd expect him to tell stories about the events of Red Dead Revolver if he really was Red.
The Uncle/Red Harlow theory is funny. I think it's just your standard fan that wants everything to line up in a neat little box. Like how in Star Wars everybody gotta know everybody. Uncle being the same age as Red would be and both his parents dying at a young age and he apparently had a nickname that Red didn't even have in that game. I wonder if anyone else in the 19th century could be middle aged by 1899 and have lost their parents young. Nope, people just never died tragically and randomly in that time period.
What if, instead, Uncle is just an older man who they wrote for the Red Dead games and there's no real continuity that matters between Red Dead Revolver and Red Dead Redemption 🤯
Personally I think Dutch was always the man he became to be later in the story but the trolley incident was the ignition of his villain arch. Something definitely happened to him after hitting his head and even in the mission he kept talking about how his head hurt and how he felt weird which makes this “rumour” pretty much canon in some sort of way.
the jacks book theory is a good one it actually kinda supports the theory that uncle is red harlow because if red dead revolver was just a story from uncle it could also be uncles story from his youth thats just i think could be
I think Uncle is Red Harlow and Red Dead Revolver is an exaggerated version of his life-story. RDR2 even has an in-game parallel to Uncle in Jim 'Boy' Calloway. The real Calloway is shown to be a drunken idiot whereas by the time of the epilogue, there is a book called 'Boy Calloway and the Mountains of the Moon'.
I'm quite intrigued by the different dynamics between Hosea-Uncle and Dutch-Uncle. Dutch doesn't just tolerate Uncle, he actually enjoys having him around as a personal court jester. I think this is because Dutch grew up reading the stories of the legendary Red Harlow and loves the ego boost of having his childhood hero live as his loyal subject. Hosea, on the other hand, never really shows any extreme emotion towards Uncle, however Hosea does not berate Uncle for not working to find new opportunities for the gang. Bill, a senior member of the gang, and Sean, a newer member, both fall afoul of Hosea for not working enough, but never Uncle.
I think Dutch and Hosea both know that Uncle is none other than Red Harlow, and while Hosea is content to let the older man live out his days in relative comfort, Dutch demands tribute in the form of a clown character that Uncle is too happy to assume. This is also why Uncle's analysis of Dutch's intentions is so cutting and accurate, and Dutch is so deeply affected by it because it comes from the frail remnant of his childhood hero.
When you over-analyze a false theory, this is what you get.
Strange Man, your videos are the best Red Death videos on RUclips! By far!
Another theorie is micah wasn't the rat, it was abigail, mainly bc everything that happened to John and Jack n also she killed Milton to make sure he didn't say anything about it after he blamed it on micah, a close associate to dutch to 1, separate the gang and 2 to help abigail
Strange man is really a Strange Man, I was wishing that he uploads a video on Uncle being Red Harlow and here it is. Strange Man knows what his subscribers wants
The legendary day that Strange Man uploads another amazing video
These theories are very interesting, but in particular I would like to focus on Dutch's. He may change after that accident on the train, but I think he's a bad person inside
It's possible that Dutch got a fractured skull or something like that during the trolley accident which could have put pressure on his brain causing him to think and do irrational things and not trust even people close to him.
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My personal theory is Old Man Cassidy is a heavenly, friendly spirit who brings good and comfort whereas the Strange Man comes from hell and brings evil
I saw a cat in Emerald ranch at night. I just stepped outside the old bar and stood in front of it. I saw a couple of cats and one sprinted really fast up a small hill.
For some reason I wanted to follow the cat so I did. It went all the way north to a small house near a small lake. It stood still right between two trees and stared at a chest underneath a small wagon or whatever you guys call it.
It gave me a dynamite volatile pamphlet so I found this really an amazing encounter. I really don't think it was random. The cat ran directly to that direction.
Holy 💩 I just stepped through the door and I know what building this is. It's ufo location, the cat is waiting for aliens! 😂
Great video. I think all theories make some form of sense, the most logical being Dutch's brain injury. The trolley crash and concussion, combined with Hosea's death's emotional trauma, sent Dutch off the edge. That led to rash decision-making and a villainous turn during which he sought out chaos and violence.
The Uncle/Red Harlow theory is fun, but I don't believe it's true. I love the last one and could see Jack becoming an author and writing about his experiences with the gang as a child.
About Dutch, it could be either a brain trauma (if his frontal lobes were damaged during the accident, that could explain his violent impulses leading him to kill people or leaving his friends in danger) or a psychological trauma (started back on the ferry heist and exploded after the tram accident), or even a combination of the two elements. This theory is based on real neuroscience and psychology studies, but since we’re talking about a character and not about an existing human being, it’s all speculation. It would be nice if the developers answered to that question!
Dutch was always crazy, it was Hosea presence that kept him in check. After Hosea death he goes all out.
I love the editing style on this channel
For Dutch, I think it was a combined effort of the trolley, Hosea's death, and Guarma. The trolley messed up his head, Hosea's death meant he could go all out without holding back and Guarma broke him.
The undead nightmare is probably the most likely one of these to have any truth.
Hitting his head in the trolley caused a concussion but it wasn't the cause of Dutch's madness. Dutch and Hosea were arguing from chapter 1, and its clear that Dutch was changing even before the Blackwater massacre, Arthur mentions this at least twice. Dutch makes some highly questionable decisions early in the game. In chapter 2 Hosea is busy trying to get certain members of the gang to wise up and get out, in particular John and Lenny because he knows something is wrong. My personal theory is Dutch started to lose it after Annabel was killed by Colm. Hosea was able to keep a brake on the madness to an extent however once he was killed, there was nobody capable to keeping a rein on Dutch, most couldn't even see it to be fair, or didn't want to.
Uncle isn't Red. Seeing as Red and John have the same facial scars and both were orphaned I'd definitely be persuaded by the arguement that Red Dead Revolver was written by Jack.
sheesh that editing with the firepit at the end is fireeeee (no pun intended)
I think its a combination of it all. The constant infighting and doubting, the people he hold dear to him died due to irrational decisions, and likely the mild injury he couldve sustained to his brain and the constant fighting of society which he despises for his utopian society that which he failed to accomplish is what led to his eventual derangement. Whats interesting is that in the chapter in which jack marston gets a dog dutch named the dog cain now dutch explains to jack that cain was a man that did something bad and so never stopped wandering. Dutch wouldnt just name a random dog cain if it didnt somehow reflect his personal choices and in effect is what the entire gang is doing they do something bad or dutch does something bad and they constantly wander from one place to the next
I always figured that undead nightmare was Jack's nightmare after John was killed.
The first RDR will just slapped different man. It just has this unique feel that not even RDR2 could pull off
I have a detail to share with you. While cooking any meat on a campfire, you can hold "cook" button to cook it faster (2 times faster). Many people doesn't know about that
Beautifully edited video, my friend.
sad to think about but gta is definetly just a novel in gta universe with everything pointing to it, and uncle is certinaly red harlow.
10:36 i also think that. would also make sense to the fact, that this history is called "Red Dead Redemption". Jack was the only guy who fully grow up in such a gang he was born into it. and since then he only experienced the new gang which was not anymore like the old vision of robbing rich and giving it to poor people, but taking revenges and killing folks.
Wow the Undead nightmare theory, that’s great. Never thought of that.
There's a random camp dialogue (can be found as early as chapter 2) where Dutch out of nowhere states "I expect you'll betray me in the end."
Arthur: Is that so
Dutch: You're telling me.
With Arthur perplexed he can ask " Why would you say that?" Dutch says, "I don't know I guess I must tired."
Arthur: "That's a strange thing to say...."
I think Dutch's descent into madness should be an entire video in this channel.
I definitely subscribe to the theory of Dutch sustaining a brain injury during the trolley crash, i mean he changed pretty drastically after that
Holes with the Uncle is Harlow theory:
1) Harlow was obviously older than 9 when his dad was killed
2) The scars on Harlow don't quite match up with Uncle's (they are definatly similar so a case for style difference could be made, but that doesn't cut it for me)
3) Harlow's Scorpion revolver (the one he got from his father) is in RDR2 and NOT in Uncle's possession (You could make a case for him having lost it, but I'd imagine we'd hear from Uncle a story about loosing his father's gun as that'd be an important moment in his life)
4) Uncle and Harlow act nothing alike. RDR ends with Harlow giving up on a large sum of money that tecnically was rightfully his since he won it in a competition even saying "It was never about the money". I just can't see Uncle doing that. (I suppose you could make a case for people changing over time, but it does seem like a 180)
We may never know for sure though since Rockstar refuses to give an answer. What do you guys think?
Rockstar have said they're different characters
@@Vorticy135 Oh, my info's out of date then.
I've seen so many people claim the Scorpion Revolver is in RDR 2 but can never seem to actually find it.
Oh yeah, that's because those people are conflating the Scorpion engraving customization option with the revolver itself it's not actually present in the game.
@@h.roosevelt6426 Oh, I see my source was incorrect. Thanks for the correction.
My favorite mystery is when Milton says Micah has been a good boy since picking him up AFTER Quarma. Right before Abigail shot him quickly. Plus Micah had never been at camp when I robbed the train in ch 2. When cops show up right away. So who was the rat before that. I like Abigail for many reasons. One she was the only one that knew where Arthur and Jack went fishing. Thanks for video.
Dude! Most people don’t realize it, but it was clear as day the reason Dutch went crazy with his jealousy towards Brontë. He literally saw the man he was supposed to be, and had none of it. At that point he didn’t care what he had to sacrifice, in order to make his dreams a reality. Even if that meant lining himself up with Micah’s ideals in order to do so.
I still think Dutch went crazy over Hosea’s death. Theory being:
A death of a best friend, he was the support to Dutch, like a Angel on his shoulder telling him when he goes too far or stops him when his ideas sounds like a reckless, bad plan.
But without that support, Dutch looses his control, making him unable to fight for what’s right or what to be loyal to. Which made it impossible to handle the gangs downfall.
“You can’t fight change.”
That sense Dutch had from being supported helped him make somewhat of a complete plan. Without it, leads to empty and reckless “plans” and no one to lean on for help. The support that made him think clearly about a heist was gone, making the gang split up when Dutch needed someone by his side the most.
But no one who were hopeful and loyal from the start listened.
The only one he had by his side was Micah, which didn’t support him in the slightest, but made him brainwashed by agreeing to every wrong move Dutch thought of. That way Micah can easily manipulate Dutch to do what he wants.
- The results of that being, a total disaster..just like the Blackwater Heist told in the beginning, where Hosea wasn’t present.
Only Dutch, and..Micah.
Great work, like usual, tanks alot Strange man :D
A remake of Red Dead Revolver in the RAGE engine would help us figure out if Uncle is Red Harlow or not. Dutch's head injury makes a whole lot of sense. I love these fan theories.
Dan Houser once said the two games are separate but GTA3 and 4 are meant to be separate yet The City in Manhunt is talked about in GTA3 and GTA5. So who knows.
Ive been on the Dutch head-trauma train since 2018. The fact that R* has the repetition of dialogue about it indicates to me that they want to player to tuck that away. It makes little sense for them to make a deal out of it and then its just gone. We dont know enough about the shooting on the ferry but what we DO know is prior to this Dutch is always steering Arthur away from killing and his missions all have him using his mouth and not guns until after the trolley wreck
I agree with the "trolley brain injury" theory. From a directing standpoint, they draw *so* much attention to the fact that he just took that hit; you wouldn't do that without reason
i absolutely love these fan theories!
I don’t think Uncle was meant to be Red Harlow but Rockstar probably regrets that decision, that’s why there’s so many hints despite the evidence to the contrary.
Nah, fans just like to mislead themselves.
@@KC.45 I’m not a fan, simply interested. Theres a hell of a lot of coincidences in rdr2, which tells me Rockstar is probably playing into it a little bit, tho it’s certain Uncle was never planned to be Red Harlow.
now the uncle being red Harlow makes sense. uncle doesnt have the scars cause jack wrote it a bit different for the thrill
About Uncle being Red Harlow; I just wonder if Uncle has Red's scars under his beard. Maybe he does and they're hidden behind his beard (in theory or even on his skin model under his beard, if they thought to detail them). Maybe he grows out his beard to hide those identifying marks.
He isn't Red, he doesn't have the burned scorpion on his hand
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Rockstar have confirmed they're different characters people need to stop spouting dumb theories like this and actually look what Rockstar themselves say.
@@davidmg00 I can't believe people still believe he is red there is way way way too many discrepancies ontop of Rockstar saying there different.
@@Vorticy135 Oh. I never knew Rockstar made that statement. It must have flown under my radar. When/where did they state this?
about dutch. I would say he started changing after the blackwater massacre. but he kept himself under check. the reason for me thinking so is because he accuses Arthur many times, so he also starts getting paranoia. which, the train accident just amplified and dutch from that moment starts losing control of himself. but he was always like that, crazy. the trolley just removed that little of brain he had
This uncle's theory is so wild people from future will be thinking this strange guy predicted way before for upcoming red dead title
I'm not a fan of the brain injury theory, it kind of excuses Dutch's behavior and decisions onward, like "it's not his fault, he's injured". I don't buy it.
To me, Dutch always had that dark side in him, but people like Hosea kept him on the right side. But then Micah joined the gang, and that's when Dutch's dark side started to come as he influenced him. He choose to prioritize the ferry heist Micah absolutly wanted to do in Blackwater, them he killed Heidi McCourt in cold blood. And when Hosea died, Micah became his right hand and that was it, Dutch became the criminal he tried not to be for good.
I'm still wondering if it's true that Red Harlow is uncle?
you should cover the theories on what happened to the skinners after rdr2.
I like to theorize that undead nightmare takes place after John dies and is actually just him going through purgatory. Seeing people he remembers from his recent past and dealing with a nightmarish plague in a place he can’t escape. Not quite dead but not quite living either.
Very similar to Mob of the Dead’s story from Black Ops 2 for a reference.
With Dutch I feel like every and all theories are correct. It really couldn't have been just one thing to make him go crazy. Sure the head injury didn't help at all, but neither did everything before or after it.
I always thought it was undisputed that the trolly job accident was the accelerate to Dutchs downfall, it's made very clear he was concussed, which if not properly treated can lead to strange behavior.
like the way the fire went boom boom boom boom boom boom boom over the music
dutch was already crazy ever since blackwater, he already ignoring hosea warnings of robbing cornwall train in colter
With the Dutch going crazy theory it is really a culmination of many factors; all the loses, the deaths, the loss of faith and hits to Dutch's ego made him a little mad. The bang on the head probably worsened matters significantly but I doubt if it hadn't happened things would have been very different.
The Uncle being Red Harlow theory is one that's been around since RDR1 and I never believed it. You can disprove it by simply looking at Uncles hand and seeing no scars, which is sort of a big part of Reds character... It feels like a fake story Uncle would tell around the campfire.
Red Dead Revolver really feels like crazy fever-dream Uncle had after whiskey-moonshine drinkin night
I like the theory that Jack Marston wrote the books that is the Red Dead universe, but how would Jack know about John's nightmare then?
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I lean heavily into Dutch getting a head injury.
I'm certain he was always capable of a bit of crazy, but if you listen to the camp fire stories, and see how he treats everyone throughout, he wasn't often needlessly rash. His ego played a big role, certainly, but with swelling to the brain, losing his dearest friend, the law closing in\plans going to sh!t, and Micah in his ear whenever he could toss a word -- it all piles on.
After Hosea died Dutch didn't completely trust himself, or anyone else. That's why when someone challenged his choices he questioned their "loyalty". I can't excuse his worst behaviors, but based on the look of his face after Arthur confesses "I gave you all I had" and how he realizes that sacrifice is happening at his feet, he walks away from Micah.
I truly believe that Dutch figured it all out. So, he went back to Micah as a means to get the money, Micah's gang, and revenge. He saw Arthur when he looked at John on top of that mountain and decided to right at least one wrong.
Just my take, though. 🍻
Didn't know the brain injury theory was crazy to some people.
good work, again! but the structure of this vid is really not planned out well my friend, especially when it comes to Hosea being shot dead in one mission and seemingly alive in the next. Still this a lot of work and I appreciate your commitment and insight