Iris wants to trust the man who killed Barry’s mother, Plastique, Girder, Eddy, Ronnie, and in the pre Flaspoint timeline Ralph. In Barry’s shoes I would have superspeeded down to city hall and got some divorce papers.
“Look, I get that he’s the second most evil man we’ve ever encountered (with a very high bar) but I think we can trust this master of deception who fooled us for years because he seems sincere now.”
I agree with you 100 percent but one thing I didn't like about Barry's behavior was that he was being a hypocrite. He told Nora that he believed that in the future it's possible that even Thawn could change. Nora hearing this is why she continued to work with him so I don't like how Barry was like "oh how could you possibly trust him he's evil and always will be"
And this is exactly why everyone hates Iris. Every other episode she's fighting with Barry for a stupid reason, and we know it's only because the writers can't think up other ways to start drama and conflict. What they don't understand is that people don't want to see a husband and wife fighting with each other every time a decision has to be made. We want to see a married couple support each other. Iris wouldn't be nearly as hated if she had to go through conflict with others because she stands by Barry and his choices, and vice versa for him.
@X-777 Arguing with his wife about the kids or a big mission is the new thing. It fucked up season 5, plenty of people despise Iris although she could be great. Really stood her ground on season 3 whan she was about to die.
yeah like why did they have to have her as the same age as them look at arrow s8. Yes, Mia and William acted somewhat like kids around Oliver but they were so much more mature. Why couldn't they have a teenage actor?
@@namishjain9238 Honestly does it really make a difference? Like yeah, from a character perspective it doesn't make sense an adult would act like a kid. But would making her a kid or teenager and have her still be so fucking annoying all the time while spouting cringe "future slang" make her somehow NOT annoying? If she's annoying now, making her younger wouldn't make her less annoying. And that's the real problem with this character.
How is someone who's apparently so smart she was deemed able to lead a team of scientist and heroes and is a reporter for a news company not get the thought that just by talking to him he's manipulating her? Oh yeah, stupid writing.
You know a lot of Nora's decisions would have made more sense if she were younger. Just make her like 13 or 14 and have her go back to try and meet her dad on thawnes advice, not knowing it's a part of his plan. So because she see's him as a sort of fun uncle she gets manipulated into doing something, then she dies as a result. Of course this ends thawne gaining the benefits.
So true. This season played a narrative on Nora as if she was raised by Thawne and has stockholm syndrome, it made no sense at all for her to be that unbelievably stupid.
Instead Cicada was more like a male Alice from Batwoman. Both escape not through any intelligence, cunning, taking advantage of distractions or any powers or gadgets but because the writers have the heroes act stupid to justify them not catching the villain first time out.
I don't think so. I mean, Prometheus was special and very much linked to the Arrow. Cicada wasn't linked to Flash. That said, he could have been more, for real.
I knew I dropped this show during season 4 but I wasn't sure exactly at what point. Watching this video I remembered I dropped it exactly after the episode with this scene. And by what I've heard since, I have no regrets about my decision but at the same time, not gonna lie, I really wish I didn't have to because the first 2 seasons were absolutely fantastic.
@@IRurushu Even seasons 3 and 4 were watchable and had some great moments, but yeah... there were so many little things that added up to making me feel like it was a chore to continue watching.
Barry said earlier in the season that even Thawne could change. But the problem with Barry/Iris arguing is the fact that Barry never mentions that Nora has been seeing Thawne even after she went back in time. Iris only saw Nora/Thawne as the "she needed to know how to use her powers so she went to the only one who could." Hardly something to blame Nora for. But knowingly coming back to Thawne when Barry was there is what she completely ignores and I doubt she'd be so keen on defending this situation from there.
I haven't seen season 6 yet, but the thing that really broke this show for me, was Westallen. I don't mind Iris, and I have no problem with Westallen as a ship, but then it became the most important thing in the show, around season 3. It pushed so many things out of the spotlight, things that I miss, for itself, and that makes it really hard for me to appreicate them as a couple. I honestly wish they'd killed her off in season 3 when it seemed like she would die - not just because she's a bland character, but because it also would've shaken up the entire dynamic of the show as Barry learns to function without one of the most important people in his life. It would've been cool to see a self-fulfilling future here, for example. To show Barry that his mistakes are important, and hopefully to help him grow from them. Idk man, I just miss seasons 1 and 2.
Yeah, and they fight anymore the "discuss" I'm not a fan of violence its just that its so anticlimactic for a superhero show. And iris should help for barrys character development but instead she made him like a robot, he doesnt do anything without iris in his ear and make him less independent. They are so obsess with the westallen dynamic that they forget about the other characters and seriously iris as team leader science and technology is not her forte she even finds it boring but for some reason she is the team leader my god i really do miss season 1 and 2😢
i don't miss season 1 and 2. mainly because of how Flash......wasn't much of a scientist as i thought he would be. Yeah he knows his physics, but anything other then that? gone. Iris....meh i didn't really liked or cared for her in season 1 and 2. just the generic I'm a reporter and my best friend or boyfriend or brother is a superhero i adore. season 3 and onwards? i lost all interest in her and she's the worst at pep talk. Cause got damn, how in gods name are you going to make the FLASH TRUST Thawne after he killed his mom? really iris? really?
Honeslty when iris got mad at Barry for taking nora back and not trusting thawne I dropped the show and when I saw thawne was still evil later I knew I made the right choice.
Oh no kidding there, I completely agree with you. Nora lied about her association with Thawne and kept going back to him in spite of knowing what he did, so she deserved what Barry did to her. And even if working with Thawne was necessary, Iris saying she didn't care about it, especially considering Thawne has killed Barry's mom and ruined his and his dad's life, it makes her come off as an uncaring sociopath. At this point, Iris would get along very well with the Arkham Asylum inmates without a doubt, they are really alike.
Iris and Nora have killed this show for me. just kill iris off or have an affair with Caitlin already. GOD do anything other than make the beloved character sacrifice themselves for the boring character with plot armor (no, I'm still not over HR)
still pissed the writers made everyone barely care about HR. and the whole time HR was this happy supportive friend and even up untill he died i never felt like anyone really showed any love for him, maybe caitlin, and once wally. and the fact they made barry look around for iris when he found out it was hr, completely ignoring hr dying that pissed me off so bad
@@mick6y_ bro i love hr i love how he was so different from all the others wells he wasn’t smart he didn’t have any any talent and how he was trying to redeem himself for that.. that what made him special
8:42 Comic Cicada was a psycho cult leader who sent his followers to kill loads of people by draining their life force hoping he could become immortal. That would have been better than some guy who decided all metahumans were evil just because his niece got knocked into a coma during a fight between two of them.
Brooo that would've been so much cooler honestly. It would make Cicada an actual threat and make the plot a lot more interesting. We could have seen Dwyer grow his followers and have Barry, Ralph, and Sherloque do detective work together! Everytime people die, cicada could get more powerful, and eventually, we wouldn't need another one. We could have seen him get more abilities (like future grace had) gradually. Finally, the writers should have picked up the pace with Thawne and remove unnecessary drama, acting, and plot holes. All of that could have been combined to make season five decent.
@@dawaerbaguer3963 It is that bad, All episodes with the forces was shit, great start but then it flopped. And then the rest of the episodes are meh, while in S5 they all were meh, none of them however sucked.
@@thatguyjd7408 I like season 7 a bit more than 5 but yeah.... there is literally no action its all talking down the villains and Iris is basically the main character now. Also they decided to have Cisco, which is my personal favorite character in the show to leave. They also think for some reason that the forces are ther children or something. Its very wack. There is only like 2 or 3 episodes so far that I enjoyed.
I genuinely enjoyed Thawne’s performance in this season. My most hated scene was when Nora was like “omg you were right Thawne is evil”. Like she didn’t even hear a f*cking word her dad said. I know you touched on that but it pisses me off to no ends
@@uncanny_i3752 they made the flash so op now that out of respect to his sheer power he always does the "you can do better than this" talk to villains instead of fighting. I will try to come back to this thread in case a good episode drops but for now, forget it.
@@jayvee4321 He's just a glorified motivational speaker at this point What's the point of getting his powers back just to run to the villains and just TALK
Before we all quit watching the show, my friends and I had a discussion about iris's character the last couple seasons, and we all came to the conclusion that the writers have no idea what they were doing with her. It was like the original intention was to kill her off at the end of season 3, and somebody vetoed that without any clear idea of what to do with her.
It’s almost as if that’s what happens to characters that were created by writers to be nothing more than tokenized hallow shells for vapid “representation”….but what do I know. 🤷♂️
@@rubenhernandez4097 she hasn’t been black for the most of it, and she was never black originally. That’s what makes her a token character. Iris as a general character isn’t a token. _This_ iteration of Iris is.
@@thewateversho223gaming agreed, I wouldn't say it went to shit personally, but it definitely started to dip, especially at certain spots. despite this, S7 part1 (forces arc) still showed the lowest lows and not nearly as many redeemable highs for me. (it sucks that Crisis sort of complicated things more and made things worse for the show rather then the opposite, such a mixed bag of a cross-over-event)
What angered me the most about this season is that when Sherloque told them about Nora, they all proceeded to get mad at him for not telling them sooner. Plus they wouldn't have believed him because they were all blinded with desperation to have Nora there, especially Iris. He was right, their anger was misplaced and you can't come to a final conclusion without all the evidence.
Iris in particular contradicted herself going from "Why are you investigating Nora" to asking Sherloque not to tell her what he found out to getting pissed that he didn't tell her.
@@La_Joie to be fair when Barry does it, he does it under the pretense that he will try to betray him and that he is not to be trusted. Nora actually trusted the dude
@@vibez2806 will all that considered, even someone as dense as Barry had a learning curve steeper than black Iris to not cooperate with Thawne in the slightest.
You’re cutting context. Barry was mad at Nora for going to thawne after she’d already met him and introduced herself and started learning from him and learned what thawne did to her grandma where as Barry has literally no one else to teach him about this kinda stuff when he went to thawne
There was an actual chance , honestly i would liked if thawn had no masterplan, just out fathering barry for lols, that he has an evil masterplan again, kills all the intruige, or nuance. Like why not ler barry be wrong and he had no plan, just having a memory of him as mentor, no evil plan. If the irredeamable villain were just at best wanting to mess with barry, that would make him unpredictable again.
I didn’t mind her in the beginning where she was more of a hi i’ll be here some episodes kind of side character. But as a full on main character nah i don’t like it.. at least justify it by giving her some ability.
@@litchtheshinigami8936 Even if they didn't want to kill her off they could have fixed Iris by having her have nothing to do with Team Flash, she should have been Barry's wife and a reporter with her own little storylines based on that. Knowing what the CW is like they probably just wanted to promote a black woman for diversity points.
@@mattnar3865 yes. heck it would even have been better for them to reveal that she suddenly has powers or something thus explaining why she is part of team flash.. ultimately also for me personally making her a more fulfilled addition to the team instead of the 5th wheel she is now. heck she could still have a command thing maybe her power could be visions her seeing something bad happening regarding a meta every so often. or perhaps she could have some kind of farsight ability that allows her to scout out the situation and relay information to the flash. or maybe she has some other kind of water like being able to control earth but for some reason she can't control her powers well so she sits back because she has so much power it could be dangerous and she could theoretically acidentally level the city if she were to use them so they need to find some off location away from civilization spot to try and train her but as they try to do this they need to stop the training abruptly because a meta is attacking.
I hate that she acts like a bored, insecure middle-aged wine mom who doesn't know what to do with her life and so she worms her way into controlling whatever everyone around her is into.
When you called out how Iris DEFENDED Thawne, I knew I had to like and sub to your channel. I was so mad when that happened. And she didn't apologize when it was found out that Thawne was only out for himself in the end. Biggest face palm in the show!
Thawne needs to phase his hand through Iris. Sure the writers would probably portray it as this horrible tragic thing like they did the possibility of her being killed by Savitar in Season 3 but it'd really be a good thing. When a show's love interest is more unlikable than any of its villains then a bad love interest's been written.
In one episode of Season 3 she said the most hypocritical thing I think she's ever said. She accused Savitar of loving to hear himself talk. Iris West who basically exists just to give supposedly "inspiring" speeches telling someone else to stop talking.
Found a gem of a channel. This guy is hilarious. I agree with season 5 being the worst one but it’s honestly sad how season 6 starting strong but finished so weak.
The moment when you realize that the flash has only had 2 and a half good seasons. Edit: I'm talking about the most popular opinion I've seen including mine, that seasons 1, 2, and 6A were good. You're allowed to have a different opinion. I understand if you like any other season. Well, not season 7 though. You're smoking if you like season 7.
I think Barry and Catlin should've got married and Iris should've found someone else. Hartley Sawyer should be brought back which is part of the reason season 7 sucks
Honestly, there are shows where the main character is not romantically involved with another character and those shows still work. Daredevil is an example of this, we all knew Daredevil and Karen Paige would end up together some day but they were still not together until the end of season 03 and people still love that show. The thing is, when I watch a Superhero show I want Superheroes beating Supervillains and the other way around, I don't want dumb romance soap opera BS
@@jaypaul15 oh that is a good point. i absolutely hate how much they push the iris and barry relationship into our face. that being said though, i feel like if barry had to have a romantic relationship with someone caitlin would’ve been a really good choice. they had a lot of chemistry and it would’ve been a nice subversion of expectations with barry ending up with the “nerdy” girl instead of his “dream girl”.
@@jaypaul15 I get what you mean. I love superhero shows too but I don’t want to see action all the time and BAM BAM BAM, POW POW POW all the time… I want to see chemistry happening and maybe relationships too. I must admit, it is very tiresome to see Barry and Iris who’ve their love on the screen so many times as it was a nice thing to see happening in previous seasons but now it’s done with let’s move on. I gotta also admit, I do feel like Barry would’ve worked wayyy better with a nerdy girl like Caitlin. I do feel like Iris is like the super hot girl in class that you think you’ll never end up with. I’m not entirely sure how she felt the same towards Barry but I didn’t really question it because the acting/delivery was quite good (Joe West telling Barry about Iris’ feelings for him).
@@emmalee8548 yeah. Plus Iris is a poorly written character. Caitlin is a good 'strong' female character but her story and her character arc is always ignored because of Iris West. What I am saying is that give the characters enough time, we want to see these characters interact with each other on screen. We want to see these characters vulnerable around their loved ones. I personally find Iris and Barry being together so forced and out of place. Also the way show sets them up, they grew up in the same place, Joe technically adopted Barry and he is literally in love with his step sister if you think logically lol.
@@AbsoluteVoltz Agreed. I don't wanna see Pow Pow Pow all the time either. But I want the main characters who 'love' each other to actually show some traits of loving each other. I want to see the growth, I want to see how they fell in love. Iris told Eddie Thawne that the future article is bullshit and it does not mean a thing. Iris literally rejected Barry, then interfered Barry and Linda's relationship. After finding out he is the Flash and that her and Barry are married in a parallel universe, she said that the future article is a sign that is indicating that Barry and Iris are meant to be together despite saying the article is bullshit to Eddie earlier. I hate her, CW ruined one of the most iconic DC couple.
See, I got through season 5 and season 6. But I just gave up in season 7. The show isn't even about the Flash anymore; they constantly sideline him for other characters, most of whom are new and whom I have little to know interest in. That and they constantly make stupid decisions and cry about their feelings nonstop.
I'm surprised you somehow kept going after season 5. I literally couldn't withstand the shit show anymore and dropped the Flash right after the last episode.
I love the actress though. I just don't understand how the writers can make me all out sob with some scenes, laugh my ass off with others, yet not write a likeable Iris West... Joe is the best though.
@@GIGio_Official Yeah comics Thawne's obsession with ruining Barry's life extended to wanting to steal Iris from him too. Then he killed her for rejecting him but she was saved by her parents who took her to their time the 30th century which was apparently a scary place so they sent her back in time to keep her safe.
@@Xehanort10 have they changed comic thawnes motivation yet? I basically gave up when they implied hes in love with Barry and acts like. Spurned lover. Such a horrid retcon
@@MM-hf6om Are you talking about the retcon where they stated Thrawn was briefly mentored by Barry when the latter came to the future, which inspired Thrawn to change his suit yellow and time travel to the present to become Barry sidekick? Which he sees Barry with Kid Flash and instantly hates him for ‘replacing him’?
Honestly this entire season became an understatement when season 7 came. Season 7 is BARELY watchable. At least 5 was still somewhat watchable. Freaking pep talking villains to win 24/7...
And don’t forget, in Season 4, Iris even said she didn’t want to open the Speed Force to see Barry again, when all of Team Flash wanted to. BARRY’S OWN WIFE DIDN’T WANT TO EVEN TRY TO SAVE HIM.
14:46 To be honest, I always thought that Iris's point was that Thawne didn't have the resources or time to manipulate her-which he did have back in season 1 for Barry-not that he didn't have the ability or motive to manipulate her.
But that's still absurd. Thawne is a master manipulator and desperate to live, while Nora is very impressionable and desperate for guidance. It's not a stretch to think he'd be able to manipulate her even WITHOUT all the resources he had in s1
The Flash had the characters stop making logical decisions in Season 3. Iris got pissed off that Barry was trying to save her life. How am I supposed to be entertained by idiots? This ain't the 3 stooges.
The metacure argument between Cisco and Caitlin was what killed my interest in this show. It was a stupid argument and just felt like a weird antivax commentary
That made NO sense to me. Especially since Caitlin's powers are established to NOT be related to dark energy! It's just a thing she HAS and has had since she was a CHILD, so his DARK ENERGY based cure shouldn't do anything to her to start with. Cisco even wanting to cure himself makes no sense, but Caitlin being terrified he'll weaponize it against HER makes even less sense. Then there's this SUPER retarded bullshit about how it's the WORST THING to force ANY meta to be cured unless they wanted to. THESE FUCKERS HAVE NEARLY COMMITTED GENOCIDE ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS! STICK EM FOR FUCK'S SAKE! They'd rather lock people in pretty inhumane conditions than give them a shot and take away THEIR ABILITY TO MURDER HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN TEN SECONDS! This cure RUINS the entire Flash show, because it solves every problem. Them being so against using it to stop super criminals ruins the characters. Lose Lose situation.
i felt like just about everything regarding the cure was bullshit. the way they were treating it felt very irrational and hysterical. haku made a few good points on that.
i think season 3 was good because we got a glimpse of how it would feel had flash been an Oliver Queen type character. then they made season for funny and it was a nice shift. what they’re doing now with season 7 is just 😶🥴
Iris has always been a dumb irritating character. There was a brink of hope in Season 3 pre-finale and Season 6 mid finale but gone after that. But honestly the current season looks a lot worse than season 5 - Wells gone, Cisco gone, the whole speed force drama, Kramer drama..... horrible
The only positive thing from this season was Thawne’s plan. But the acting was so stilted! It was genuinely hard to watch at times he usually cares the show!
@@blurryperson2685 that’s exactly what I mean! Before it felt calculated like lex Luther. Now he just whispered his lines over time. A lot less impactful
Honestlyit would have added if itvwasnt a plan and thawne just really wanted to mentor nora for a good memory of him as mentor, as lols, to barrys daughter.
@@palaupale7782 I saw the first season and loved it but with how everything is connected in the arrowverse I just kinda don’t have the motivation to watch any of their shows
@@GIGio_Official Yeah but I also found it super annoying that Barry was useless and we didn’t get any time travel episodes and Timeflash ain’t a thing anymore
Yeah but the first half of s6 was also hot garbage the villain was undeveloped and had stupid motive and the other plot line was abt Barry dying in crisis and all the viewers knew it wouldn’t happen
@@krishsarin7347 Season 6a was amazing, Ramsey was a great character with good motives. And even though we knew Barry won't die, it doesn't take away from the tension.
When the only reason ur watching the flash past season 4 just to see godspeed in action: Ah so what ur saying is.....ignore everything else until I see two men run at "godspeed" to the almost death....pun intended
You forgot to mention that Iris blamed Barry for going to the Speed Force and leaving her alone for 6 months, like the whole world bas literally being destroyed(or at least the city idk we only saw so much), but on the first episode when Cisco says that he can bring Barry back she just tries to stop him. Or how she said he didn't talk to her about going to save his mother but he did :x
While I agree with most of this video, what really pissed me off was what was mentioned with cisco breaching the dagger. When he didn’t breach it to a dead earth or somewhere it could never do harm again it was all I could to do resist turning off the show permanently.
These videos are so funny and are like a mini podcast for me to learn new things about the flash and just to relax and enjoy it while playing a game or something
I'm personally also disliking strongly how everytime the CW has a dorky character in their DC/CW shows, they completely ignore it by the second season of the character. With cisco it also dissapeared, not just with barry, it's definetly there and you could say they 'grew up' but i still miss their way to properly outsmart others. Now it feels like the only reason to even have this team is for the powers, not because they're smart. I have the same issue in LOT, where nate/captain steel, his dorkyness just dissapears after his first season on the show. I'm just really frustated by it; because it can bring a lot more personality to a character. But hey, that's my piece.
16:22 THIS !!! Is what had me screaming at my tv when I saw it. The show made it seem like this time there’s no way around it .. someone had to die from team flash but NOPE .. even if it’s written in stone from the gods themselves.. the show found a way to break all that and somehow make sure everyone survives that episode .. it just makes you annoyed because it seems like death isn’t that serious in the show ..
I really didn’t have no problem with season 5 I thought it was great in the first half then it got confusing in the back half. I think it’s the most hated season I thought it was disappointing.
Yeah, I think objectively speaking right now season 7 is the worst, but 5 is a close second, but you got it right to where the second is what hurt the season. It had a huge pacing issue especially with Cicada.
so, i didn't want to watch the flash. it was a tradeoff for my friend to watch a show i like, and i would watch a show they liked. i didn't go into it with very high expectations, but i was pleasantly surprised. it wasn't an amazing show, but it was fun and i liked the characters. even at its lowest plotwise in season 3, i still had fun watching it (mostly because HR is my favourite character in the series). season 4 was genuinely really really good, and after how much i liked it, i was cautiously optimistic heading into season 5. season 5 was a trashfire. i didn't think i could watch a season as bad as that. i HATED nora, she was meant to be a really smart woman in her 20s but she acted like a tween. when she's not being incredibly immature she's a self entitled jerk (still haven't gotten over her intentionally triggering cisco's ptsd in order for him to do what she wants) i hated how despite the entire show saying that time travel was BAD and always had BAD results, nora was given a pass to stay around because she missed her dad. which, WHAT??? isn't that exactly what barry did in flashpoint???? aside from the hell that was everything nora's character touched, the villain was bad, sherloque was boring and the rest of the cast felt incredibly ooc. just. agh.
I always wondered why the time wraths weren't pissed at nora berry went back and changed time once or twice when he became the flash then gets jumped by time wraths but nora did it 52 times and took berry to come along with her to appear 😂 this video is amazing but yeah just wanted to add on to what you said later in the video
The Wraiths should be swarming her just because she went back AND THEN JUST DECIDED TO CHILL! Like she's COMPLETELY fucking up the time line here, that's GOTTA get their attention. Barry saves ONE person and all reality starts to fall apart, but she apparently saves the whole city by helping punch the satellite AND THEN STICKS AROUND INTERACTING EXTENSIVELY WITH HER PAST FAMILY, but THAT'S fine. No problems there!
I never liked Iris but I tolerated her in seasons 1 and 2, after “we are the flash” I sighed every time she came on screen but after her argument with Barry I just dropped the show because I couldn’t stand seeing her anymore. If she had stayed dead in season 3 I genuinely think the show would’ve been infinitely better.
@@GIGio_Official to be fair iris is a irracional psycho who defended the worse destination that her daughter will ever do help the killer of her mother in law of course her husband Barry has the right to be super angry and never see his daughter for that transaction. If if the writers had half a brain amongst each other Barry shouldn't apologize because he did responsible thing and and she shouldn't complain her mother wasn't kill by a psycho her dad wasn't blame for killing her she has no right to get angry at Barry who is having a releasing reaction to this situation
@@DeckerJimenez7014 except Barry didn't do a rational thing by taking her to the future. He acted on emotions as usual and his action lead to pushing Nora to use Thawne's help again out of despair and to travel back using Negative Speed Force.
This made me realize something. I have never watched a TV series made within the 2000's. Are all TV shows this lame? They seem to be nothing but crying and talking these days. Maybe I'm just too used to really good cartoons, and or working on my own content.
This season causes me physical pain watching it, looking at photos of it, and thinking about it. I hate this season the most, and it's a miracle I had mercy on the show and tuned in for Season 6.
It would have been better if when Iris took Nora’s side about Thawn Barry should of been like “ I don’t know if I can stay in a relationship with somebody who’s fine with having our daughter doing things with her grandmothers killer. Then we would of got to see the struggle of what iris thinks she should do.
Damn thanks for the support man. Hey I think we can get this channel to be one of the biggest channels in the community. Let's keep growing! More content is on the way
12:59 people are telling that she Made that Decision because of the Guilt that she has as her Future self took away Nora’s Powers for a while. Yeah like that’ll change anything.
I still would like to point out that XS didn't come back to Thawne because of Weather Witch. She did it, because when Barry told her that bad guys could change, she asked him if Eobard could, and he said yes. She came back to him because of Barry. And Iris is upset when Barry banished Nora... because he banished Nora. She doesn't care that Thawne could be manipulating her, she's uspet because Barry immediately banished their daughter, without asking her.
That moment made Iris the worse character in the show. She was already annoying but that scene just made her truly awful. And they made Barry look bad, even though he was in the right. If I was in his position, I tell Iris to shut up and get a fucking clue!
@@zemox2534 It's still her daughter, so Barry shouldn't have taken that decision alone especially without letting Iris talk to her before. And Barry's not banishing her to punish her, he's doing that because he's scared of what Thawne could do by manipulating Nora, so he doesn't appear that bad either. And he's wrong, because it was exactly what Thawne wanted, because then Nora needed the Negative Speed Force, and so he was able to dig in her darkest parts.
@@zebedeebalistique7791 All problem is, no matter how Iris wrong or right, that people as zemo x2 still hater her for everything really free hate, Iris was poorly written by the screenwriter also the all problem with female power leadership being she was better as journalism and the racism just see all fascination that kind people has with Daniella that feeds this kind fan with dirty
At this point, it wasn't about Nora, his daughter. No it was about, Nora, a threat to Barry's whole fucking team. Get the facts straight. It's not always about love and family and daughter, this time it's about saving his team. A hero can't be blinded by family when he has more important things to do.
@@soumyasimransahu4626 Well Arrow did the same with Emiko, he tried to help her, such as his mom, Caitlin with her father, Supergirl with her aunt... and these people wera actually evil. Nora isn't, they just think that she might be manipulated by Thawne. Nora didn't do anything herself, her connection with Thawne is completely understandable, so Barry wasn't acting at the Flash stopping a villain even if they are related, he was acting as a son, who is basically afraid of the man who killed his mother, and tries to stop this man from hurting the best he can. I mean Thawne was in a jail in the future, and banishing her was impulsive, and irresponsible, because it litteraly was part of Thawne's plan. So, he just acted bases on his emotions, just blinded by his lost of his mother, he was blinded by family. If he truly wanted to act as a super hero, he would have asked Team Flash. Because, when you're trying to defeat one of Thawne's plan, you can't just do whatever you want, like when they were about to destroy the dagger.
Honestly the thing that kinda pissed me off about season 5 wasn't that Iris wasn't bothered by Nora getting help from Thawne, but that Barry was extremely pissed off at her for it. Especially considering Barry has gotten help from Thawne SEVERAL TIMES after season 1, both before and after season 5 (season 2 when he goes back so he can get faster, season 5 to fix the weapon against Cicada, and in season 7 when he has Speed Force Nora pull Thawne out of the timeline to help fight against Godspeed). Barry has every right to get angry, but he should've been more angry at Thawne, not Nora, because he's just as guilty of getting help from the Reverse Flash as she is...
Noras actress pretend running is fucking comedy gold
Istg 😭
fr 😭
I never noticed how funny it was until I rewatched the season.
that's better than Ezra Miller's
This is the second time noras actor worked with Daniel panabaker
Iris wants to trust the man who killed Barry’s mother, Plastique, Girder, Eddy, Ronnie, and in the pre Flaspoint timeline Ralph.
In Barry’s shoes I would have superspeeded down to city hall and got some divorce papers.
I would have super sped Iris into the sun. She ruined the Iris show... I mean The Flash.
@@zarpof3811 we are the flash
@@zarpof3811 girl shut up
Quick fast and in a hurry
@@zarpof3811 i am your lightning rod. WE are Team Flash. WE are THE Flash.
Iris invalidating Barry’s pain towards the murder of his mother ruined her for me. Forever
When did this happen? I kinda forgot.
@@DanteColburn when Barry took Nora back to the future cause she was working with thawne
“Look, I get that he’s the second most evil man we’ve ever encountered (with a very high bar) but I think we can trust this master of deception who fooled us for years because he seems sincere now.”
I agree with you 100 percent but one thing I didn't like about Barry's behavior was that he was being a hypocrite. He told Nora that he believed that in the future it's possible that even Thawn could change. Nora hearing this is why she continued to work with him so I don't like how Barry was like "oh how could you possibly trust him he's evil and always will be"
@@-cherry-6091 That's what we commonly know as "shit ass writing".
And this is exactly why everyone hates Iris. Every other episode she's fighting with Barry for a stupid reason, and we know it's only because the writers can't think up other ways to start drama and conflict. What they don't understand is that people don't want to see a husband and wife fighting with each other every time a decision has to be made. We want to see a married couple support each other. Iris wouldn't be nearly as hated if she had to go through conflict with others because she stands by Barry and his choices, and vice versa for him.
True. she's a nag
@X-777 Arguing with his wife about the kids or a big mission is the new thing. It fucked up season 5, plenty of people despise Iris although she could be great. Really stood her ground on season 3 whan she was about to die.
I don’t hate her and personally think she doesn’t deserve the hate she does get
@@deadpooldan9862 she deserves it
She was only good in the first 3 seasons. Maybe, season 4.
That is a main problem, Nora is adult but her personality and acting was as if she was a teenager.
they should have aged her down
She's not even like a teenager she's more like a 10 year old 😬
yeah like why did they have to have her as the same age as them
look at arrow s8. Yes, Mia and William acted somewhat like kids around Oliver but they were so much more mature. Why couldn't they have a teenage actor?
@@namishjain9238 Honestly does it really make a difference?
Like yeah, from a character perspective it doesn't make sense an adult would act like a kid.
But would making her a kid or teenager and have her still be so fucking annoying all the time while spouting cringe "future slang" make her somehow NOT annoying?
If she's annoying now, making her younger wouldn't make her less annoying. And that's the real problem with this character.
Exactly
"He's on death row, how is he manipulating her?" I laughed so hard🤣🤣🤣
How is someone who's apparently so smart she was deemed able to lead a team of scientist and heroes and is a reporter for a news company not get the thought that just by talking to him he's manipulating her? Oh yeah, stupid writing.
Speech 100 😂
WHERE IS THE LOGIC
Like seriously, Thawne manipulated all of Team Flash whilst sitting on a wheel chair.
@@chukwuemekachukwuegbo6481 And the only one ever suspicious of him was Joe.
You know a lot of Nora's decisions would have made more sense if she were younger. Just make her like 13 or 14 and have her go back to try and meet her dad on thawnes advice, not knowing it's a part of his plan. So because she see's him as a sort of fun uncle she gets manipulated into doing something, then she dies as a result. Of course this ends thawne gaining the benefits.
So true. This season played a narrative on Nora as if she was raised by Thawne and has stockholm syndrome, it made no sense at all for her to be that unbelievably stupid.
She’s like 22
That's why they should of used Impulse.
@Franky Torres Impulse is Barry and Iris’s grandson from the future in the comics. He is usually 13 or 14. They should have used him instead of Nora.
"dies"
Cicada had such potential to be Flash’s equivalent to Prometheus from arrow season 5
Honestly true! I hate when people say "Oh blank character cant work". I think any character can work if written well. Cicada unfortunately wasn't.
I LOVED Prometheus...
Also his theme is one of the best in the arrowverse. Hands down.
Instead Cicada was more like a male Alice from Batwoman. Both escape not through any intelligence, cunning, taking advantage of distractions or any powers or gadgets but because the writers have the heroes act stupid to justify them not catching the villain first time out.
I don't think so. I mean, Prometheus was special and very much linked to the Arrow. Cicada wasn't linked to Flash. That said, he could have been more, for real.
Caitlyn is the only character who hasn’t changed for the worse
love caitlin. i only watch the show for her
I watch for cysco and frost
The killer frost stuff was honestly weird and a let down
Frost is cool
@@firesnakex8 It's like they tried too hard to make her edgy it just seemed cringeworty. I mean, it's just CW, but damn.
Ralph's realization of Thawne's plan was really satisfying to me. It made me love his character! The same thing with Sherloque!
I can agree with you on that. I'm glad the show didn't just make Ralph stupid comic relief and he actually was very smart.
5:30 Them joking about the deaths of friends and loved ones make Barry and Iris come off as psychopaths.
yelp
Wasn't that season 4 though?
I knew I dropped this show during season 4 but I wasn't sure exactly at what point. Watching this video I remembered I dropped it exactly after the episode with this scene. And by what I've heard since, I have no regrets about my decision but at the same time, not gonna lie, I really wish I didn't have to because the first 2 seasons were absolutely fantastic.
@@IRurushu Even seasons 3 and 4 were watchable and had some great moments, but yeah... there were so many little things that added up to making me feel like it was a chore to continue watching.
no not rly pretty sure that was an ironic laugh
The whole Iris situation with her defending the Thawne situation made me permanently dislike her character. The writing damn near gave me a aneurism.
It was spoiled to me by RUclips which lead me to tap out from watching the rest of the show
🤣🤣😩
Barry said earlier in the season that even Thawne could change. But the problem with Barry/Iris arguing is the fact that Barry never mentions that Nora has been seeing Thawne even after she went back in time. Iris only saw Nora/Thawne as the "she needed to know how to use her powers so she went to the only one who could." Hardly something to blame Nora for. But knowingly coming back to Thawne when Barry was there is what she completely ignores and I doubt she'd be so keen on defending this situation from there.
Should have dumped Iris when he had the chance, especially when she defended Thawne
Uh oh i think its too late
G.I good: The Flash season 5 is understandably the most hated season!
Nora: How schway is that!
😂😂😂😂
*Gio
God i hated how they tried to add fucking future slang. God that was so stupid
@@GIGio_Official Impulse: What a CRASH IDEA🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@GIGio_Official They ripped it off from Batman Beyond a far better show too.
I haven't seen season 6 yet, but the thing that really broke this show for me, was Westallen.
I don't mind Iris, and I have no problem with Westallen as a ship, but then it became the most important thing in the show, around season 3.
It pushed so many things out of the spotlight, things that I miss, for itself, and that makes it really hard for me to appreicate them as a couple.
I honestly wish they'd killed her off in season 3 when it seemed like she would die - not just because she's a bland character, but because it also would've shaken up the entire dynamic of the show as Barry learns to function without one of the most important people in his life.
It would've been cool to see a self-fulfilling future here, for example. To show Barry that his mistakes are important, and hopefully to help him grow from them.
Idk man, I just miss seasons 1 and 2.
I agree, they're too focused on that one aspect of the show that it suffocates anything else.
Exactly.. i keep hoping they give iris some interesting metapowers to finally make her character not bore my ass off
Yeah, and they fight anymore the "discuss" I'm not a fan of violence its just that its so anticlimactic for a superhero show. And iris should help for barrys character development but instead she made him like a robot, he doesnt do anything without iris in his ear and make him less independent. They are so obsess with the westallen dynamic that they forget about the other characters and seriously iris as team leader science and technology is not her forte she even finds it boring but for some reason she is the team leader my god i really do miss season 1 and 2😢
i don't miss season 1 and 2. mainly because of how Flash......wasn't much of a scientist as i thought he would be. Yeah he knows his physics, but anything other then that? gone.
Iris....meh i didn't really liked or cared for her in season 1 and 2. just the generic I'm a reporter and my best friend or boyfriend or brother is a superhero i adore. season 3 and onwards? i lost all interest in her and she's the worst at pep talk. Cause got damn, how in gods name are you going to make the FLASH TRUST Thawne after he killed his mom? really iris? really?
3 was a good season the only thing i didnt like was flashpoint and the finale also barry should have stayed in the speed force
Honeslty when iris got mad at Barry for taking nora back and not trusting thawne I dropped the show and when I saw thawne was still evil later I knew I made the right choice.
@Eth4n CODM exactly he’s one of the few characters now who’s just straight up evil nowadays
Oh no kidding there, I completely agree with you. Nora lied about her association with Thawne and kept going back to him in spite of knowing what he did, so she deserved what Barry did to her. And even if working with Thawne was necessary, Iris saying she didn't care about it, especially considering Thawne has killed Barry's mom and ruined his and his dad's life, it makes her come off as an uncaring sociopath. At this point, Iris would get along very well with the Arkham Asylum inmates without a doubt, they are really alike.
@@fiction5559 He also basically killed her ex fiancee
@@user-yn2sr8cf8g Yup, funny how she just forgot that.
I actually think it would have been worse if thawne became a good guy. Just because it would have been a massive plot hole for so many reasons
Iris and Nora have killed this show for me. just kill iris off or have an affair with Caitlin already. GOD do anything other than make the beloved character sacrifice themselves for the boring character with plot armor (no, I'm still not over HR)
Neither am I.
No one ever will be.
still pissed the writers made everyone barely care about HR. and the whole time HR was this happy supportive friend and even up untill he died i never felt like anyone really showed any love for him, maybe caitlin, and once wally. and the fact they made barry look around for iris when he found out it was hr, completely ignoring hr dying that pissed me off so bad
@@mick6y_ I loved HR, I screamed when we saw a flashback of him in the new season. All of my social media is a play on HR WELLS.
@@mick6y_ bro i love hr i love how he was so different from all the others wells he wasn’t smart he didn’t have any any talent and how he was trying to redeem himself for that.. that what made him special
8:42 Comic Cicada was a psycho cult leader who sent his followers to kill loads of people by draining their life force hoping he could become immortal. That would have been better than some guy who decided all metahumans were evil just because his niece got knocked into a coma during a fight between two of them.
Anything would be better than the Cicada we got.
Brooo that would've been so much cooler honestly. It would make Cicada an actual threat and make the plot a lot more interesting. We could have seen Dwyer grow his followers and have Barry, Ralph, and Sherloque do detective work together! Everytime people die, cicada could get more powerful, and eventually, we wouldn't need another one. We could have seen him get more abilities (like future grace had) gradually. Finally, the writers should have picked up the pace with Thawne and remove unnecessary drama, acting, and plot holes. All of that could have been combined to make season five decent.
Blame Nora. She messed up the timeline
that sounds more badass
Way better. But they probably avoided the cult because it reminded of season 3
“Season 5 is the worst flash season ever!”
Season 7: *exists*
i havent seen season 7 yet but is it really that bad?
It’s not even bad he’s lying the forces sucked tho but it has even more potential in the last 5 episodes. Episode 1,2 and 12 are the best
@@thatguyjd7408 yeah..
@@dawaerbaguer3963
It is that bad,
All episodes with the forces was shit, great start but then it flopped. And then the rest of the episodes are meh, while in S5 they all were meh, none of them however sucked.
@@thatguyjd7408 I like season 7 a bit more than 5 but yeah.... there is literally no action its all talking down the villains and Iris is basically the main character now. Also they decided to have Cisco, which is my personal favorite character in the show to leave. They also think for some reason that the forces are ther children or something. Its very wack. There is only like 2 or 3 episodes so far that I enjoyed.
I genuinely enjoyed Thawne’s performance in this season. My most hated scene was when Nora was like “omg you were right Thawne is evil”. Like she didn’t even hear a f*cking word her dad said. I know you touched on that but it pisses me off to no ends
"See you in our next crisis" 😈
Season 7: Look what they had to do to mimic a fraction of our power
Jesus is it that bad. I was planning on dropping back in to see if it can maybe be reasonable
@@uncanny_i3752 they made the flash so op now that out of respect to his sheer power he always does the "you can do better than this" talk to villains instead of fighting. I will try to come back to this thread in case a good episode drops but for now, forget it.
@@jayvee4321 i haven't seen episode 14 but it has no flash...
@@jayvee4321 He's just a glorified motivational speaker at this point
What's the point of getting his powers back just to run to the villains and just TALK
@@anjolafadayomi5805 exactly
Before we all quit watching the show, my friends and I had a discussion about iris's character the last couple seasons, and we all came to the conclusion that the writers have no idea what they were doing with her. It was like the original intention was to kill her off at the end of season 3, and somebody vetoed that without any clear idea of what to do with her.
Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me.
It’s almost as if that’s what happens to characters that were created by writers to be nothing more than tokenized hallow shells for vapid “representation”….but what do I know. 🤷♂️
@@mad4song01 iris isn't a token character though. She's been Barry's wife for decades in the comics, and she's black for most of it.
@@rubenhernandez4097 she hasn’t been black for the most of it, and she was never black originally. That’s what makes her a token character. Iris as a general character isn’t a token. _This_ iteration of Iris is.
I honestly reckon they should've killed her off in season 3.
It would've shaken up the entire dynamic of the show, I would've liked to see it.
season 7 and its Forces arc: "please allow me to introduce myself~"
FR!!!
I saw the vid and I was like, has this guy watched season 7?!?!?!?!
Season 6 is still worse imo.
@@samuelketner1391 The first half of Season 6 with Bloodwork was great. Went to shit after Crisis though
@@thewateversho223gaming agreed, I wouldn't say it went to shit personally, but it definitely started to dip, especially at certain spots. despite this, S7 part1 (forces arc) still showed the lowest lows and not nearly as many redeemable highs for me.
(it sucks that Crisis sort of complicated things more and made things worse for the show rather then the opposite, such a mixed bag of a cross-over-event)
Bro Wtf is a forces arc.
What angered me the most about this season is that when Sherloque told them about Nora, they all proceeded to get mad at him for not telling them sooner. Plus they wouldn't have believed him because they were all blinded with desperation to have Nora there, especially Iris. He was right, their anger was misplaced and you can't come to a final conclusion without all the evidence.
Iris in particular contradicted herself going from "Why are you investigating Nora" to asking Sherloque not to tell her what he found out to getting pissed that he didn't tell her.
"We get a second Cicada"
Shit had me dying lolol
Barry: you can't go back to Thawne to train
Also Barry multiple times: We need Thawne
Barry is honestly the most hypocritical and contradicting character 🙄🙄
@@La_Joie to be fair when Barry does it, he does it under the pretense that he will try to betray him and that he is not to be trusted. Nora actually trusted the dude
@@vibez2806 will all that considered, even someone as dense as Barry had a learning curve steeper than black Iris to not cooperate with Thawne in the slightest.
You’re cutting context. Barry was mad at Nora for going to thawne after she’d already met him and introduced herself and started learning from him and learned what thawne did to her grandma where as Barry has literally no one else to teach him about this kinda stuff when he went to thawne
There was an actual chance , honestly i would liked if thawn had no masterplan, just out fathering barry for lols, that he has an evil masterplan again, kills all the intruige, or nuance. Like why not ler barry be wrong and he had no plan, just having a memory of him as mentor, no evil plan. If the irredeamable villain were just at best wanting to mess with barry, that would make him unpredictable again.
I’ve hated Iris since she walked on the screen fam, and she has only intensified that hatred with every breath she takes
I didn’t mind her in the beginning where she was more of a hi i’ll be here some episodes kind of side character. But as a full on main character nah i don’t like it.. at least justify it by giving her some ability.
@@litchtheshinigami8936 Even if they didn't want to kill her off they could have fixed Iris by having her have nothing to do with Team Flash, she should have been Barry's wife and a reporter with her own little storylines based on that. Knowing what the CW is like they probably just wanted to promote a black woman for diversity points.
@@mattnar3865 yes. heck it would even have been better for them to reveal that she suddenly has powers or something thus explaining why she is part of team flash.. ultimately also for me personally making her a more fulfilled addition to the team instead of the 5th wheel she is now. heck she could still have a command thing maybe her power could be visions her seeing something bad happening regarding a meta every so often. or perhaps she could have some kind of farsight ability that allows her to scout out the situation and relay information to the flash. or maybe she has some other kind of water like being able to control earth but for some reason she can't control her powers well so she sits back because she has so much power it could be dangerous and she could theoretically acidentally level the city if she were to use them so they need to find some off location away from civilization spot to try and train her but as they try to do this they need to stop the training abruptly because a meta is attacking.
I hate that she acts like a bored, insecure middle-aged wine mom who doesn't know what to do with her life and so she worms her way into controlling whatever everyone around her is into.
When you called out how Iris DEFENDED Thawne, I knew I had to like and sub to your channel. I was so mad when that happened. And she didn't apologize when it was found out that Thawne was only out for himself in the end. Biggest face palm in the show!
Thawne needs to phase his hand through Iris. Sure the writers would probably portray it as this horrible tragic thing like they did the possibility of her being killed by Savitar in Season 3 but it'd really be a good thing. When a show's love interest is more unlikable than any of its villains then a bad love interest's been written.
Iris never apologizes and always makes Barry feel guilty and makes him apologize
In one episode of Season 3 she said the most hypocritical thing I think she's ever said. She accused Savitar of loving to hear himself talk. Iris West who basically exists just to give supposedly "inspiring" speeches telling someone else to stop talking.
@@bayleebee1217 that because she never did anything 'wrong '. They should making her doing some misteake, I really want she feels guilty
The thing that probably annoyed me the most in season 5 is Nora’s running form, wtf is this 6:28
I never noticed how wierd her run is. Lol
DCEU"s Flash runing is much better when compared to Nora
The most current season: "Are you challenging me?"
Yep. I got half way through the season and was completely done. But I'm still going to power through the rest of it eventually.
Found a gem of a channel. This guy is hilarious. I agree with season 5 being the worst one but it’s honestly sad how season 6 starting strong but finished so weak.
Hey thanks man for the support, really appreciate it. I 100% agree with what your saying about the show. I said the same thing in my season 6 video.
Ramsey? Amazing. Crisis? Amazing but they screw up Eva's part so bad thankfully season 7 did excellent with her ending
That’s why i feel 5 is better then 6 being it wasn’t teribleeee but 6 was decent then shit 5 felt like a not good season 1
To be fair Covid fucked up season 6.
@@hmortal1236 Ah, yes, "holding hands and forgiving all crimes" is an excellent ending to Eva's arc
I haven't even seen the flash.. but this was entertaining as HECK 😂 that silky smooth animation though 😍
Kinda silky,😅. It is a good was to fill blank space and it speeds up the editing process. Still working out some kinks.
The moment when you realize that the flash has only had 2 and a half good seasons.
Edit: I'm talking about the most popular opinion I've seen including mine, that seasons 1, 2, and 6A were good. You're allowed to have a different opinion. I understand if you like any other season. Well, not season 7 though. You're smoking if you like season 7.
no not rly i enjoyed season 1,2,3,5 and maybe even 6, well.. some of the episodes
@@seynpurrp Your opinion is irrelevant. They are objectively bad
@@michaelthatoker7125 but it’s his opinion no point in really saying it’s bad
@@michaelthatoker7125 if his opinion is irrelevant, then so is yours.
I personally enjoyed seasons 1, 2, 4 and 6. The others are just garbage.
@@AbsoluteVoltz No it’s not because my opinion is objectively correct. That’s the difference numbskull
bro i was questioning why cisco didn’t send the dagger to that one dead earth where they sent that radioactive guy who almost blew up the city
Yeah it makes no sense.
same.....same, blew my freaking mind
@@kupidzheart was that a pun
I think Barry and Catlin should've got married and Iris should've found someone else. Hartley Sawyer should be brought back which is part of the reason season 7 sucks
Honestly, there are shows where the main character is not romantically involved with another character and those shows still work. Daredevil is an example of this, we all knew Daredevil and Karen Paige would end up together some day but they were still not together until the end of season 03 and people still love that show. The thing is, when I watch a Superhero show I want Superheroes beating Supervillains and the other way around, I don't want dumb romance soap opera BS
@@jaypaul15 oh that is a good point. i absolutely hate how much they push the iris and barry relationship into our face. that being said though, i feel like if barry had to have a romantic relationship with someone caitlin would’ve been a really good choice. they had a lot of chemistry and it would’ve been a nice subversion of expectations with barry ending up with the “nerdy” girl instead of his “dream girl”.
@@jaypaul15 I get what you mean. I love superhero shows too but I don’t want to see action all the time and BAM BAM BAM, POW POW POW all the time… I want to see chemistry happening and maybe relationships too. I must admit, it is very tiresome to see Barry and Iris who’ve their love on the screen so many times as it was a nice thing to see happening in previous seasons but now it’s done with let’s move on. I gotta also admit, I do feel like Barry would’ve worked wayyy better with a nerdy girl like Caitlin. I do feel like Iris is like the super hot girl in class that you think you’ll never end up with. I’m not entirely sure how she felt the same towards Barry but I didn’t really question it because the acting/delivery was quite good (Joe West telling Barry about Iris’ feelings for him).
@@emmalee8548 yeah. Plus Iris is a poorly written character. Caitlin is a good 'strong' female character but her story and her character arc is always ignored because of Iris West. What I am saying is that give the characters enough time, we want to see these characters interact with each other on screen. We want to see these characters vulnerable around their loved ones. I personally find Iris and Barry being together so forced and out of place. Also the way show sets them up, they grew up in the same place, Joe technically adopted Barry and he is literally in love with his step sister if you think logically lol.
@@AbsoluteVoltz Agreed. I don't wanna see Pow Pow Pow all the time either. But I want the main characters who 'love' each other to actually show some traits of loving each other. I want to see the growth, I want to see how they fell in love. Iris told Eddie Thawne that the future article is bullshit and it does not mean a thing. Iris literally rejected Barry, then interfered Barry and Linda's relationship. After finding out he is the Flash and that her and Barry are married in a parallel universe, she said that the future article is a sign that is indicating that Barry and Iris are meant to be together despite saying the article is bullshit to Eddie earlier. I hate her, CW ruined one of the most iconic DC couple.
See, I got through season 5 and season 6. But I just gave up in season 7. The show isn't even about the Flash anymore; they constantly sideline him for other characters, most of whom are new and whom I have little to know interest in. That and they constantly make stupid decisions and cry about their feelings nonstop.
This is the non-toxic-masculinity way, or something...
The funniest thing about S7 was, the forces being created out of love, like Wut 🤣🤣
I'm surprised you somehow kept going after season 5. I literally couldn't withstand the shit show anymore and dropped the Flash right after the last episode.
I feel like 7 is about to take the crown
No it's actually decent I enjoy it personally iris isn't to bad there focusing more on barry so far so good
Facts
Episode 15 confirms this statement to be false
@@rayyanshaikh5591 No, it proves the statement is correct.
I want to see the follow up from OP after they see the "lightsaber" finale
I'mma be honest, Iris is the thing holding Barry and the show back, she's a terrible character.
I love the actress though. I just don't understand how the writers can make me all out sob with some scenes, laugh my ass off with others, yet not write a likeable Iris West... Joe is the best though.
@@reizak8966 Yep, like respect to the actress, but the character is terrible.
Yeah in season 7 she seems to be a lot less involved after the forces thimg
@@hmortal1236 less? she literally fought with barry about trusting nora, after she KILLED STRENGTH FORCE.
@@kanavwastaken 😅 yeah I kinda forgot about that.
100% agree about Iris. Completely stopped watching this show after that scene. “Doesn’t that bother you? No it doesn’t.” Wwwwhat?!?!?
Season 5: The most hated season
Season 7: Hold my beer
Facts
@@GIGio_Official Honestly I might just drop the show, I get more enjoyment watching Walker
@@los5517 hey do what you need to do. I'm here to watch it so you don't have to.
fr
@@GIGio_Official what a hero!
13:19 They should do what the comics did and have Thawne kill Iris expect with no "She's alive in the future" retcon like in there.
I didn't know that happened in the comics
@@GIGio_Official Yeah comics Thawne's obsession with ruining Barry's life extended to wanting to steal Iris from him too. Then he killed her for rejecting him but she was saved by her parents who took her to their time the 30th century which was apparently a scary place so they sent her back in time to keep her safe.
@@Xehanort10 have they changed comic thawnes motivation yet? I basically gave up when they implied hes in love with Barry and acts like. Spurned lover. Such a horrid retcon
@@MM-hf6om Are you talking about the retcon where they stated Thrawn was briefly mentored by Barry when the latter came to the future, which inspired Thrawn to change his suit yellow and time travel to the present to become Barry sidekick? Which he sees Barry with Kid Flash and instantly hates him for ‘replacing him’?
@@JohnWilliams-wl9px exactly. I rolled my eyes when I saw that. To me its up there with mr freeze not having a wife.. it was all in his head.
Honestly this entire season became an understatement when season 7 came. Season 7 is BARELY watchable. At least 5 was still somewhat watchable. Freaking pep talking villains to win 24/7...
FR!!! Its just funny and annoying
they pep talk everyone ong even in the latest episode they won with a fuckin pep talk
I totally agree with u. It took to long for berry to find out about his daughter betray.
Finally someone is talking about this !? Thank you ❣️😊
15:18 i love when channels put gotham in their video
I didn’t like the new suit his daughter gave him
Yeah without the chin strap it just looks awkward.
@@GIGio_Official ya one of the main reasons I don’t like it
All the suits look bad
Iris defending Thawne was more than enough justification for getting a divorce.
12:35 Riiiiiight this was the reason why we started hating Iris...I had totally forgotten
And don’t forget, in Season 4, Iris even said she didn’t want to open the Speed Force to see Barry again, when all of Team Flash wanted to.
BARRY’S OWN WIFE DIDN’T WANT TO EVEN TRY TO SAVE HIM.
I hated her since Season 3 for not dying and having HR die in her place.
I swear I can still hear Orlin whispering, "Gracie" in the depths of my brain.
14:46 To be honest, I always thought that Iris's point was that Thawne didn't have the resources or time to manipulate her-which he did have back in season 1 for Barry-not that he didn't have the ability or motive to manipulate her.
But that's still absurd. Thawne is a master manipulator and desperate to live, while Nora is very impressionable and desperate for guidance. It's not a stretch to think he'd be able to manipulate her even WITHOUT all the resources he had in s1
The Flash had the characters stop making logical decisions in Season 3.
Iris got pissed off that Barry was trying to save her life. How am I supposed to be entertained by idiots? This ain't the 3 stooges.
He was never logical
The metacure argument between Cisco and Caitlin was what killed my interest in this show. It was a stupid argument and just felt like a weird antivax commentary
It felt very X-Men the Last Stand 😂
And they completely write it off in Season 6 when everyone has powers
i wonder why they even put in the show
That made NO sense to me.
Especially since Caitlin's powers are established to NOT be related to dark energy! It's just a thing she HAS and has had since she was a CHILD, so his DARK ENERGY based cure shouldn't do anything to her to start with.
Cisco even wanting to cure himself makes no sense, but Caitlin being terrified he'll weaponize it against HER makes even less sense. Then there's this SUPER retarded bullshit about how it's the WORST THING to force ANY meta to be cured unless they wanted to.
THESE FUCKERS HAVE NEARLY COMMITTED GENOCIDE ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS! STICK EM FOR FUCK'S SAKE! They'd rather lock people in pretty inhumane conditions than give them a shot and take away THEIR ABILITY TO MURDER HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN TEN SECONDS! This cure RUINS the entire Flash show, because it solves every problem. Them being so against using it to stop super criminals ruins the characters. Lose Lose situation.
i felt like just about everything regarding the cure was bullshit. the way they were treating it felt very irrational and hysterical. haku made a few good points on that.
i think season 3 was good because we got a glimpse of how it would feel had flash been an Oliver Queen type character. then they made season for funny and it was a nice shift. what they’re doing now with season 7 is just 😶🥴
season 5 was my first season, and for that reason its nostalgic. this season is still good to me.
Iris has always been a dumb irritating character. There was a brink of hope in Season 3 pre-finale and Season 6 mid finale but gone after that. But honestly the current season looks a lot worse than season 5 - Wells gone, Cisco gone, the whole speed force drama, Kramer drama..... horrible
Not funny 💀
@@mistaliglizy funny
Season 7: I'm about to end this mans whole career...
Season 8: I'm about to end this mans whole career...
The only positive thing from this season was Thawne’s plan. But the acting was so stilted! It was genuinely hard to watch at times he usually cares the show!
Honestly I got really tired of Tom. Over time you begin to realize his thawne is just whispering.
@@blurryperson2685 that’s exactly what I mean! Before it felt calculated like lex Luther. Now he just whispered his lines over time. A lot less impactful
Honestly I don’t know if it was the director or the actor but Thawne seems to get more cartoonish over time.
Honestlyit would have added if itvwasnt a plan and thawne just really wanted to mentor nora for a good memory of him as mentor, as lols, to barrys daughter.
Season 5 is what caused me to drop the show 😂 like I gave up on it and don’t even bother to watch any of the arrow verse anymore
Highfives
The only good thing of season 5 is eobard
You're being really smart with this. The arrowverse died with Oliver Queen.
Black lightning is good
@@palaupale7782 I saw the first season and loved it but with how everything is connected in the arrowverse I just kinda don’t have the motivation to watch any of their shows
I still found season 5 to be more enjoyable than post crisis of season 6
Yeah for me I hate how badly season 6 limped to the finale more than season 5 just straight up sucking.
@@GIGio_Official
Yeah but I also found it super annoying that Barry was useless and we didn’t get any time travel episodes and Timeflash ain’t a thing anymore
Yeah but the first half of s6 was also hot garbage the villain was undeveloped and had stupid motive and the other plot line was abt Barry dying in crisis and all the viewers knew it wouldn’t happen
@@krishsarin7347 Season 6a was amazing, Ramsey was a great character with good motives. And even though we knew Barry won't die, it doesn't take away from the tension.
@@racool911 yea ramsey was an incredible villain and 6a was the best flash has had since s2
I’m sure Candice is a good person and a great actress but I’ve never liked Iris in this show
Let’s be real, after season 2, the series went WAAAAYYY downhill.
The flash was never a good show but yes it still did
@@GABATTLES Perfect statement.
When the only reason ur watching the flash past season 4 just to see godspeed in action:
Ah so what ur saying is.....ignore everything else until I see two men run at "godspeed" to the almost death....pun intended
You forgot to mention that Iris blamed Barry for going to the Speed Force and leaving her alone for 6 months, like the whole world bas literally being destroyed(or at least the city idk we only saw so much), but on the first episode when Cisco says that he can bring Barry back she just tries to stop him. Or how she said he didn't talk to her about going to save his mother but he did :x
While I agree with most of this video, what really pissed me off was what was mentioned with cisco breaching the dagger. When he didn’t breach it to a dead earth or somewhere it could never do harm again it was all I could to do resist turning off the show permanently.
They really had to dumb down almost every character to make Cicada a threat.
These videos are so funny and are like a mini podcast for me to learn new things about the flash and just to relax and enjoy it while playing a game or something
I'm personally also disliking strongly how everytime the CW has a dorky character in their DC/CW shows, they completely ignore it by the second season of the character. With cisco it also dissapeared, not just with barry, it's definetly there and you could say they 'grew up' but i still miss their way to properly outsmart others. Now it feels like the only reason to even have this team is for the powers, not because they're smart. I have the same issue in LOT, where nate/captain steel, his dorkyness just dissapears after his first season on the show. I'm just really frustated by it; because it can bring a lot more personality to a character.
But hey, that's my piece.
I just hate how Nora runs in general after i saw her running i instantly started hating the season
Lol she really does run awkwardly doesn't she.
That’s what happened with arrow characters when they “broke up”. The motivations for that were horrendous and forced
They broke up?? Who broke up?
@@milanbadri3473 Felicity and Oliver. Honestly, their break-up in S4 is one of the most ridiculous things I have seen in this show.
@@hellshing4866 OHHHH when felicity yelled she didn't want to marry Oliver infront of everyone right? Yeah that was dumb asg
Asf*
@@hellshing4866 Yeah their breakup is what made me hate Felicity even more. It definitely ruined season 4 for me.
It’s like there’s a trend where the first half of the season is either good or mediocre at the least, but later, it gets screwed over.
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16:22 THIS !!! Is what had me screaming at my tv when I saw it. The show made it seem like this time there’s no way around it .. someone had to die from team flash but NOPE .. even if it’s written in stone from the gods themselves.. the show found a way to break all that and somehow make sure everyone survives that episode .. it just makes you annoyed because it seems like death isn’t that serious in the show ..
I really didn’t have no problem with season 5 I thought it was great in the first half then it got confusing in the back half. I think it’s the most hated season I thought it was disappointing.
Yeah, I think objectively speaking right now season 7 is the worst, but 5 is a close second, but you got it right to where the second is what hurt the season. It had a huge pacing issue especially with Cicada.
I say The Flash went bad after season 3 because Iris survived...
so, i didn't want to watch the flash. it was a tradeoff for my friend to watch a show i like, and i would watch a show they liked. i didn't go into it with very high expectations, but i was pleasantly surprised. it wasn't an amazing show, but it was fun and i liked the characters. even at its lowest plotwise in season 3, i still had fun watching it (mostly because HR is my favourite character in the series). season 4 was genuinely really really good, and after how much i liked it, i was cautiously optimistic heading into season 5.
season 5 was a trashfire. i didn't think i could watch a season as bad as that. i HATED nora, she was meant to be a really smart woman in her 20s but she acted like a tween. when she's not being incredibly immature she's a self entitled jerk (still haven't gotten over her intentionally triggering cisco's ptsd in order for him to do what she wants) i hated how despite the entire show saying that time travel was BAD and always had BAD results, nora was given a pass to stay around because she missed her dad. which, WHAT??? isn't that exactly what barry did in flashpoint???? aside from the hell that was everything nora's character touched, the villain was bad, sherloque was boring and the rest of the cast felt incredibly ooc. just. agh.
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That was the first RUclips self advertisement that has ever made me subscribe.
Joining the team after this video. I enjoy your editing and opinions very much.
It's more like "The WestAllen Show".
The writers have apparently forgotten that most people watch the show to see Barry fight crime and help people not to see him swapping spit with Iris.
I kinda liked season 5 to be honest but I absolutely HATE season 6 in my opinion
I appreciate the season 6 hate, but man season 5 hits me different in pain😂
I disagree, I hate season 5 but I loved season 6
Boi wait till u see season 7 💀💀
I always wondered why the time wraths weren't pissed at nora berry went back and changed time once or twice when he became the flash then gets jumped by time wraths but nora did it 52 times and took berry to come along with her to appear 😂 this video is amazing but yeah just wanted to add on to what you said later in the video
Thanks man, yeah I feel like the writers forget they had consequences to trime travel at one point.
The Wraiths should be swarming her just because she went back AND THEN JUST DECIDED TO CHILL! Like she's COMPLETELY fucking up the time line here, that's GOTTA get their attention. Barry saves ONE person and all reality starts to fall apart, but she apparently saves the whole city by helping punch the satellite AND THEN STICKS AROUND INTERACTING EXTENSIVELY WITH HER PAST FAMILY, but THAT'S fine. No problems there!
@@haku8135 Ikr 😅
@@haku8135 I love this comment, so much
The way that Nora moves her arms when running is hilarious.
6:12 6:29 11:03 16:35
True that shit looks so dumb.
"Iris is actually doing some fucking reporting for once" lmao that had me dying
Damn this video was amazing 🤣👏🏻👏🏻. I can feel your hatred towards this season.
a great vidoe i agree! btw you deserve a lot more subs like you arre so underrated
Thanks man. That means a lot, glad you enjoyed the video.
For me, all Seasons since Season 3 are the most hated seasons
Agree, lol.
@@GIGio_Official Dude, Comparing with Season 7, Season 5 is way better. At least it featured The Flash
@@abhijiths747 I KNOW RIGHT
The flash was never good I hate them all
I never liked Iris but I tolerated her in seasons 1 and 2, after “we are the flash” I sighed every time she came on screen but after her argument with Barry I just dropped the show because I couldn’t stand seeing her anymore. If she had stayed dead in season 3 I genuinely think the show would’ve been infinitely better.
I loved it. I loved that she hated her mother and loved her father.
Anyone who hates Iris is good in my book. Lol
@@GIGio_Official to be fair iris is a irracional psycho who defended the worse destination that her daughter will ever do help the killer of her mother in law of course her husband Barry has the right to be super angry and never see his daughter for that transaction. If if the writers had half a brain amongst each other Barry shouldn't apologize because he did responsible thing and and she shouldn't complain her mother wasn't kill by a psycho her dad wasn't blame for killing her she has no right to get angry at Barry who is having a releasing reaction to this situation
@@DeckerJimenez7014 except Barry didn't do a rational thing by taking her to the future. He acted on emotions as usual and his action lead to pushing Nora to use Thawne's help again out of despair and to travel back using Negative Speed Force.
This made me realize something. I have never watched a TV series made within the 2000's. Are all TV shows this lame? They seem to be nothing but crying and talking these days. Maybe I'm just too used to really good cartoons, and or working on my own content.
That's more a CW thing. I recommend the old Smallville show, or the original run of Heroes.
This season causes me physical pain watching it, looking at photos of it, and thinking about it. I hate this season the most, and it's a miracle I had mercy on the show and tuned in for Season 6.
God bless your soul.
Season five could’ve had a better crossover. Elseworlds was just confusing
Season 7: Hold my " *lightsaber* "
It would have been better if when Iris took Nora’s side about Thawn Barry should of been like “ I don’t know if I can stay in a relationship with somebody who’s fine with having our daughter doing things with her grandmothers killer. Then we would of got to see the struggle of what iris thinks she should do.
Definition of a show that just went DOWNHILL after the first season. Second season perfected what was done in the first
Iris is a hugeeee problem because Barry is forced away from smart and logical choices just because she says so out of “love”.
In Season 7 they decided "You know Nora. The character everyone hated 2 seasons ago. Let's bring her back."
I think she was better in Season 7. She wasn’t as annoying or whiny.
I just now noticed that this guy‘s channel hasn’t got like 3 mil subscribers. This is some high quality stuff for those „low“ numbers
Damn thanks for the support man. Hey I think we can get this channel to be one of the biggest channels in the community. Let's keep growing! More content is on the way
12:59 people are telling that she Made that Decision because of the Guilt that she has as her Future self took away Nora’s Powers for a while. Yeah like that’ll change anything.
I still would like to point out that XS didn't come back to Thawne because of Weather Witch. She did it, because when Barry told her that bad guys could change, she asked him if Eobard could, and he said yes. She came back to him because of Barry. And Iris is upset when Barry banished Nora... because he banished Nora. She doesn't care that Thawne could be manipulating her, she's uspet because Barry immediately banished their daughter, without asking her.
That moment made Iris the worse character in the show. She was already annoying but that scene just made her truly awful. And they made Barry look bad, even though he was in the right. If I was in his position, I tell Iris to shut up and get a fucking clue!
@@zemox2534 It's still her daughter, so Barry shouldn't have taken that decision alone especially without letting Iris talk to her before. And Barry's not banishing her to punish her, he's doing that because he's scared of what Thawne could do by manipulating Nora, so he doesn't appear that bad either. And he's wrong, because it was exactly what Thawne wanted, because then Nora needed the Negative Speed Force, and so he was able to dig in her darkest parts.
@@zebedeebalistique7791 All problem is, no matter how Iris wrong or right, that people as zemo x2 still hater her for everything really free hate, Iris was poorly written by the screenwriter also the all problem with female power leadership being she was better as journalism and the racism just see all fascination that kind people has with Daniella that feeds this kind fan with dirty
At this point, it wasn't about Nora, his daughter. No it was about, Nora, a threat to Barry's whole fucking team. Get the facts straight. It's not always about love and family and daughter, this time it's about saving his team. A hero can't be blinded by family when he has more important things to do.
@@soumyasimransahu4626 Well Arrow did the same with Emiko, he tried to help her, such as his mom, Caitlin with her father, Supergirl with her aunt... and these people wera actually evil. Nora isn't, they just think that she might be manipulated by Thawne. Nora didn't do anything herself, her connection with Thawne is completely understandable, so Barry wasn't acting at the Flash stopping a villain even if they are related, he was acting as a son, who is basically afraid of the man who killed his mother, and tries to stop this man from hurting the best he can. I mean Thawne was in a jail in the future, and banishing her was impulsive, and irresponsible, because it litteraly was part of Thawne's plan. So, he just acted bases on his emotions, just blinded by his lost of his mother, he was blinded by family. If he truly wanted to act as a super hero, he would have asked Team Flash. Because, when you're trying to defeat one of Thawne's plan, you can't just do whatever you want, like when they were about to destroy the dagger.
Most of the Negatives which were mentioned in this Video applies to almost every Season heck every show in the Arrowverse.
Yea season 5 really cemented my hate for Iris and how she did not support Barry at all... I've always said she doesnt deserve Barry...
Honestly the thing that kinda pissed me off about season 5 wasn't that Iris wasn't bothered by Nora getting help from Thawne, but that Barry was extremely pissed off at her for it. Especially considering Barry has gotten help from Thawne SEVERAL TIMES after season 1, both before and after season 5 (season 2 when he goes back so he can get faster, season 5 to fix the weapon against Cicada, and in season 7 when he has Speed Force Nora pull Thawne out of the timeline to help fight against Godspeed). Barry has every right to get angry, but he should've been more angry at Thawne, not Nora, because he's just as guilty of getting help from the Reverse Flash as she is...
Eric Wallace: Hold my beer.