Devoe was actually not stupid. He intentionally acted stupid to bait Madvocate to create another Flash video to enlighten the viewers of the inconsistency of the Arrowverse. The enlightenment did happen in the end.
My theory is that Barry actually perceives everything in flashtime constantly so by the time he turns around to see a villan has walked around a corner he's already forgotten about them
uhm, if he perceives everything in flash time then how does the moron, get hit by people, and loses to villains when they are right in front of him and not take them out, and if he perceives everything in flash time how does he talk, super slowly so other can understand???
Love the repetition of seeing Atom Smasher, Sandman and Savitar being killed over and over by Team Flash, while lecturing others on the morality of murder. It never gets old.
@@dodojesus4529gotta get that three hour runtime somehow. I really like these videos, but let's be honest, this video could've easily been half the length it currently is. And that's still being generous.
I mean, it would've been better if they had woven the times they needed to kill into their hesitation to do it, but they act almost as if they have never taken a life at all in this season, and that's what really does it a disservice.
I like how 90% of the criticism of the show could have been avoided if they said something like "we need to collect data about the meta's power to adjust the power dampening cuffs"
Also if they added a bit in S1 where Barrey almost killed someone when he punched them at super speed So it’s not so easy for him to just tackle people down at super speed, he has to slow down first.
Or if they just said that Barry can't touch or move anyone at superspeed without doing damage, and that attacking someone in superspeed would kill them, which he has a code of conduct not to do.
Still wouldnt make much sense because be could still relocate them to Iron Heighs or P.A prision. And if they needed to collect data for that too, show wouldnt be logic, imagine have to build a personalized prision cell for each meta that shows up?
Also if they treated superspeed as a limited resource that they have to be careful not to deplete in case it’s really needed. I know that’s not how it works, but it would somewhat explain why Flash is always hesitant to use it. Like, he could go into bullet time for only a second of normal time before he’s too strained and weak to keep it up. That way it’s not OP, and if he’s already used bullet time that day it could be the reason he’s too slow in the following scenes.
What’s more narcissistic than proving you’re more mature by owning up to your mistakes. It’s more believable and successful than your common garden variety narcissism. It’s a common tactic of communists and those of the woke persuasion. Though in the case of the latter it often manifests in admitting to a lesser crime.
@@deliciadeconta2596 Yeah. Then they ditched the actor due to nonsense allegations when twatter mob tried to cancel him. Then the show went even further downhill, as hard as it is to imagine that.
@@Grivehnit wasn’t allegations it was because of tweets that he indeed posted. However those were written by him several years before he even started to work on The Flash and imo those tweets obviously didn’t reflect the person he actually is/was at the time he got fired.
I would love to see a remake of the flash which is just 10 mins each season of him acting intelligently and cuffing everyone, like an any% speedrun of the show.
Add in some sections with him trying to work through the villain of the week's personal problems, whether successfully or not, and it would become a kind of hilarious superhero therapy show.
I would like a remake of the show where someone who can actually play the Flash goes back in time and stops every Flash timestop event, causes another Flashpoint where the show is removed and the premier shows every episode being Thanos'd from the CW's website.
Only if they make the Flash pre-new 52 Wally. He has enough charisma and lovable energy to carry 10 minute shorts really well. Part of the problem with this show is CW didn't feel just a flash show would be interesting enough and heavily relied on side plots, extending plots, and using side characters to fill up time because Barry couldn't carry the show.
@@theendersmirk5851 no, nononononono. Grant Gustin way too whiney and emotional to play the stoic and cool-headed Barry Allen. Any piece of media has him freak out in DIRE situations but whenever Grant's Barry is inconvenienced by anything he has a meltdown.
I can even believe he's the smartest person on Earth - that Earth. There's a SF-story by Poul Anderson called Brain Wave, where it turns out that our solar system was under the effect of an energy-dampening field that hampered neuron activity. After the Earth leaves this field every human and even all the animals get way smarter. Every time i see stupidity on the level of the Flash i'm imagening their planet was just hit by the idiot-ray. Would explain a lot. Or in this universe the events of Idiocracy just started way earlier ...
i think irises superpower is gaslighting and manipulation and it works so well that most people in the flash tv show dont see how horrible of a character and a person she is.
And it is a real pleasure watching the so called fans just watch her act all pissed, take her side sometimes, and not see how much gaslighting and manipulative she is throughout the show👍
@@garrettcooper58 True, they thunkled really hard about character assassination rather than important stuff like common sense and remembering what they wrote 5 seconds ago
1:26:20 Notice how she's at first fully capable of defending herself against DeVoe in an intelligent way, but AFTER training with team flash she decides to stop and talk? They really trained her well! 🤔
You know Season 4 must be real bad in comparison to Seasons 1-3 when the naming has changed from “Insufferably Inconsistent” to “Infuriatingly Inconsistent”.
I like how Barry is able to EASILY out run lightning but also at the same time is shown to have visual processing speeds that are worse than an average human. It is like they keep forgetting that a speedster needs to have utterly bonkers reaction times just to be able to run without constantly obliterating people around them like A-train from The Boys.
@@TheAcademicSavant "And his come would kill Iris." Haha, holy shit, how come I never thought of that? The moment he shoots his load, it would rip through her and shoot out of the top of her head like a bullet. A cum bullet. Nice.
@@mateushenriquepinheiro3197Season 7 is just gonna be 5 hours long. I can't say about season 8 because i honestly couldn't tank it anymore and i quit watching that abomination of a show.
1:42:05 I love how this was the one time that Barry decides to chase after the bad guy after he runs away and it just happens to be when he loses his powers. Outstanding
Also in cognitive science, we learn that toddlers when something is hidden from them will think that the item just vanished off the face of the earth since they don’t have the mental capacity to realize that it’s right behind the wall or screen, so in other words team flash and their writers have the mental capability of toddlers. Fantastic
@@92brunodf credit is given where it is due, they all have plenty of moments where they prove they are good actors. It's common sense to know that bad writing will affect how the actor's skills are portrayed.
1 Simple fix to most problems is just to say that the Meta Cuffs need to be configured to specific meta abilities. Therefore Flash needs to stop to talk, get enough info about the power, and then Cisco configures them and idk wirelessly uploads them to the cuffs so that Barry can put them on and have them work or something.
That's quite a smart weakness, considering the weird concept of one single tech that neutralizes several abilities (as if it was some dispell magic thing).
Congrats, you’re smarter than every CW writer ever. This is actually a clever way of allowing dialogue and tension when Barry could otherwise defuse everything instantly Got any other plot hole fixes?
@@wkoya4803they are talking about a fix to whatever was actually shown in the show. This isn't a film, and so it makes sense if the writers include some banter between the heroes and the villians. But this is a good reason to validate this talk.
the magic cuffs really create all the logical problems in the show, huh. Imagine if instead they had to actually study the abilities of the person and figure out a specific solution to detain that person... that would give them a reason to stand and talk and not just immediately apprehend the villain
he wouldn't just knock them out because he wants to try and resolve things without violence, and relocation could be dangerous with a meta with unknown abilities - they might have a power which does something dangerous in contact or when in proximity
@@applestheheroI know Barry has a wallnut for a brain but I still think he could recognize the value of saving tons of lives with the only loser in the situation being the villain who got a mild concussion is a lot better than putting civilians in harms way for a nice chat
Is the risk of instant knockout or relocation high, yes, but is it higher if you just stand and wait with your thumb up your ass while the villain makes a move, also yes
Stopping to talk would work in a world where the Flash was so competent, that he doesn't feel the need to immediately incapacitate a person. He just rocks up, trys to understand the goomba and if they aren't the type to calm the fug down, cuff em.
The Flash actually did this right once, when Barry had to deal with a gang of card deck villains sometime in season 8. He stopped to let them let out all their card puns, and made immediate work of them once they jumped him.
@@egg7540 yeah. Too bad its in fucking season 8. Took him 8 years. Also season 8 seemed like it was gonna be a saving grace and maybe the writers managed to return a little competence to the show, and then season 9 happened 😪
Its actually the flash's thing in the comics to stop and talk to his bad guys too, because he believes that they can change. The main difference is that the comics version is smart and fast enough to react when stopping to talk goes wrong, whereas this show just has barry/wally getting absolutely destroyed whenever they stop to talk, which is every episode.
I agree it's slightly better, but I'd still argue that it's way smarter and safer to talk someone down after capturing them and locking them up in a meta prison
@@mac1991seth well yeah but most villains in the comics actually have a counter to flash's speed, like captain cold's cold field, heatwave temp manipulation, golden gliders speed force sap, etc
@@mac1991seth it's kinda crazy how they skipped over crucial parts of characters equipment, like the only instance i think they didn't have these counters was in there first outings then developed them later after facing the flash for the first time (because comic villains always escape prison)
When making this show the writers had two paths to choose: either commit to having Barry be OP and come up with creative ways for villains to outplay him, or commit to having a bullshit reason as to why Barry doesn’t use his speed to just end every confrontation immediately. Instead of choosing a path they just wandered off into the woods, got lost, and have been scraping by in a homeless mans tent, which results in so many scenes of Barry getting knocked down and just sitting there, refusing to use his powers for no reason other than plot convenience, while the villains monologue and then escape
Except they want to seem like they have reason why the flash cant beat anyone instantly by giving him this weird moral code which they dont even uphold themselves. Bary let himself get caught because he didnt want to cheat the system, but then he gets out of prison by cheating the system. He couldnt defeat Davoe immediately because "killing bad" but the way they finally defeat him is by basically killing him. It so dumb.
They could’ve easily made it so he can only be fast for very limited amount of time due to the amount of food he has to eat, and unless he’s in a good situation where he can refuel constantly, has to either finish the situation quickly or use speed sparingly. Saves budget as well, considering how they already make him just… stand there
@@pian-0g445 No, that wouldn't solve the problem that he can beat his enemies instantly. It's also just kind of stupid - a nutrition based limit to a superpower? That's just lame. No, you really should just make his enemies tougher. It's not even that difficult. Fog control man from the first episode of season 1? Wraps himself in fog completely and makes himself invincible no matter how fast Barry runs because he's covered all over. Duplicate man? Hides his real self away somewhere and only lets his clones wreak havoc, so Barry can't find him and stop him. Poison cloud man? Is always in cloud mod and is intangible, so Barry can't just grab him no matter how fast he is. Etc. etc. Even just using the same villains and powers, you can easily just make them be a challenge for Barry. The writers are just literally too stupid and lacking in imagination to do it.
@@Arphemiuswell it makes sense tho, all versions of the flash (and any other character with super speed) they need constant food intake to replenish the calories they lose while running, so it would make a lot of sense for it to be a weakness for him, it could at least weaken him or make him slower
@@ramsehannema9076 I mean you can make any rule work for any superpower if you really want to, but it's still kind of lame. Also, he could also eat at superspeed, so for that to become a problem he would always have to be "unlucky" enough to get hungry and not have anything ready to eat so that he is hungry and slows down just when there's a supervillain nearby. Seems weird, and all "conditional" superpowers are kind of more wacky and unappealing - "I am super strong, but only when I wear a pink trench coat and have petted a cat in the last 24 hours", it's always kind of weird. Honestly, just make the villains tougher, it really isn't that much of a problem.
Sometimes I worry that my writing is terrible and inconsistent. Whenever that happens in the future, I will go and rewatch this video, as a reminder that if something this inconsistent and this riddled with plotholes and characters just being stupid for no reason other than the plot needs them to be stupid in order to happen can be a big successful TV show, then a few small inconsistencies or plotholes won't hurt my books that like 3 people read
A lot of people write by thinking of a start and end then connecting them, but that's where inconsistencies appear. Instead you should start with a vague idea and add detail to it. Foreshadowing can even be done better like this because it may even appear unintentionally.
I love Madvocate’s brief little affections for Ralph. Y’know when Ralph is consistently a good character and not sacrificed on the podium of “CW’s highlight reel for kicks”
Barry Allen refusing to be the Flash while imprisoned is made even worse when in Episode 12 he drops a random inmate off in China without anyone noticing he's gone. Meaning that Barry could easily superspeed out of his cell, knockout or transfer said supervillain to iron Heights, and then comeback without anyone noticing.
@@MisterTTGAND??? who gon stop him? He gets caught blinking on camera all the time. Crossing the ocean isn't slower than staying in the country to a place you already know?
The saddest part about the flash is most of these problems could be fixed in 1-2 episodes MAX like hitting someone at Mach 5 could have been explained with Barry hitting a meta and eviscerating them which could explain his hesitancy to fight and why he doesn't use his speed in fights to its fullest advantage
By hesitancy to fight i mean standing around and being useless while having the ability to end any and every confrontation in a picosecond 😉(Excluding other speedsters and other absurdly fast moving superhero's/villains)
I was thinking the same thing. Frozen-literally a movie targeted at kids-had that trope done pretty well. Elsa accidentally hurt Anna and the guilt from it as well as the fear invoked in her due to her parents hammering the “conceal don’t feel” mindset into her head leaves her reluctant to use her abilities at all. It comes to a head multiple times when she gets overwhelmed and nearly hurts innocent people + nearly kills Anna a second time. That could’ve been an awesome trope for Barry. He accidentally hurts/kills someone and is so reluctant to use his powers that they “build up” and make it dangerous for him to lose his cool/get overwhelmed. Cue an arc where he has to work on balancing it out and the fear never fully goes away (I mean, if you accidentally hurt/kill someone it kind of sticks) so he still has moments where he struggles to fight out of fear of it happening again. Some other “weaknesses” that I’ve thought of are: - He could keep getting stuck in Flashtime. It happens when he gets surprised or overwhelmed and he has to wait for his body to physically exhaust itself before he can escape it. - He could start phasing whenever he gets upset. I’m pretty sure there was an episode where Barry couldn’t stop phasing and there were repercussions for it that the team had to work out. That would be a decent trope IMO - He could get severe headaches from all the speed thinking. These could result in slip-ups when he’s fighting and saving people. Maybe make it so Caitlyn comes up with a medication but it’s so potent that it has side effects of its own and Barry has to choose between one or the other. These are just some that I liked the idea of but it’s just my opinion so I’m sure not everyone would like those tropes :)
I love the "genius scientist has to use intelligence booster for really basic stuff" because it implies that the writers had a really hard time thinking of this stuff. That is how stupid they are.
I really admire Madvocate's optimism. Considering he has seen Barry for 3.5 years of in-world time, Madvocate is still confident that if Barry was not in prison he could've cuffed those metas and saved people in the process, despite Barry not doing that 99.5% of the time 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I like how Barry claims that he doesn't kill, but then he goes ahead and suggests, "Hey Ralph, let's extract you from DeVoe's brain, effectively erasing him." What exactly did Barry anticipate happening to DeVoe? Did he believe that DeVoe would miraculously emerge unscathed, in a different body alive and well?
To be fair, when it comes to killing a psychopath murderer in exchange of saving someone i think it goes away the morality aspect of no killing. You can effectively spin it into, saving Ralph and sucks for DeVoe for body snatching someone else. Still that doesn't fix all the other murders from Team Flash part. Or how DeVoe could have been stopped way earlier before it got into that point.
@@inquisitor9207 When you have powers like the Flash, a "no killing rule" makes sense, you are so incredible op that most situations you can solve without any blood spilled. But in this particularly case, there really isn't an answer to save Ralph and arrest DeVoe at the same time, you have to chose one and saving ralph should have priority. Why don't kill earlier? why is even needed to do that? he could have removed him out of his chair and lock him in a cell in less than second before any of this happen. While there are no real life laws or ethics about body swapping or body stealing, i would argue that in the Flash universe you can say that DeVoe killed himself. The victimized host of any body swapping shenanigan should always take priority against the perpetrator. And because DeVoe destroyed his own body, he simply sealed his fate without leaving any possibility of his own arrest. The Flash can be a bad show but at least they can be consistent following these simple sci fi ethics. The unintended host should always take priority... right?...
The real reason Devoe's plan is full of holes is revealed at the end of the season: using the intelligence booster caused Wells to suffer brain damage and it was also going to be used to wipe the minds of everyone on the planet, which means that Devoe didn't actually have super intelligence, it's just that compared to Barry Allen a trained pidgeon looks like a genius so a man with the intellect of a child was actually the perfect opponent for a battle of the minds.
So the show was gaslighting us and when they realised they weren't smart enough to write a goof plan for a smart villain they retconned themselves. Right?
Something i just realized: season 5's main villain, cicada, is created from the explosion of the satellite, which only happened due to constant incompetence from barry in season 4. This means that every single person that cicada hurts, kidnaps or kills in season 5, regardless of how much it makes sense in the moment, they will have to fall under the "should have been saved" category.
@Frank___hassle__Exactly. It cannot work as a pure drama for those reasons, because if they write the characters as not being morons, it can't have those sorts of stakes every episode. The way to solve "don't stop and talk" honestly is to run with the concept that most of the Rogues are pretty mentally ill and it's purely a compassion thing, that Barry is always trying to talk them down because he doesn't want to hurt them. And just get rid of the cuffs as a concept. That tech shouldn't be able to be transported, preventing Barry from having an easy solution every time. Even _then_ though, once Barry can't talk people down, it should usually end with him just transporting them away unless there's other circumstances. A good Flash show would need to abuse death traps and hostages and "a bunch of things all at once". Rogues should be using things like "I've rigged myself to explode if a speed detector in my body goes above a certain speed", "if I don't enter this code repeatedly innocent people die", "five of us are doing crimes in five separate locations and we all have hostages and are in contact so if you stop one of us the others kill theirs", "if there's too much vibrational force from your speed, these explosives will detonate", and stuff like that. Also, nerf Barry. All you need to do there is to erase the whole "speed force prevents damage" concept. If Barry has to control his speed to not kill people or destroy things or vaporize things, it keeps him at a speed limit of a few hundred miles per hour tops outside of when he _needs_ to go faster and not care about the consequences. Ironically, leaning more into the interpersonal drama aspects would benefit it. A lot of episodes should not be about stopping someone who should be easily stopped. Most Flash superhero work should be a comedy. Flash stopping to talk shouldn't stop him from winning, it should be "when they're not mentally ill and are just normal criminals, he's toying with them and just absolutely degrading them and messing with them, even letting them have hope of winning just for the heck of it, and the viewer always feels secure he's going to win despite all that because they're so pathetic compared to him". That could also feed into developing new rogues, people who have really grown to hate him because he just broke them down and humiliated them. Captain Cold in particular is perfect for all of these concepts. "Oh Flash, yeah, you could just stop me, same as ever, right? Only... do you know where all the people i left freezing to death are? Sure, you could look for them, sure, you might find most of them, but if I don't get out of here scot free, you'll never know how many there are to find. I get back to my base, you get all their locations. Don't worry, nobody will die if you do what I say, you'll have enough time to save them all."
@@jackunknown1692 No he isn't. His Top speed is Mach 20, as in the Armageddon Crossover. In order to go Faster than the Speed of Light, he has to go at least Mach 881,735.
The nuclear bomb episode is when I completely checked out of the show Flash can walk casually and hold multiple conversations while a nuclear bomb is in the process of exploding He's moving at 99.98% light speed He's unstoppable Nothing past this episode makes sense
That's where I completely gave up on the show even when i liked it back in the day. This is one of the biggest speed feats of the entire show and should allow barry to statue almost every opponent. Him touching someone at that speed would feel like a thousand freight trains hitting someones skull at once. If he had some kind of temporary amp going on at the time it would make sense but no this utterly obliterates any excuse barry has against a non speedster giving him an entire episode amount of trouble.
then you didn't pay attention to earlier seasons, as he did a similar thing in early season 1, when he was WAY slower. And Madvocate even shows a clip from it in this video.
Remenber, there is no end to human imagination for both great and compeltly retarded things. Afterall we nearly destroyed ourselves during the cold war because the US though it was a smart idea to detonate a nuke in the skie.
I'm watching this video six months after and I realized something in episode 18 lose yourself. Barry said they never have to kill but at the end of season 4, Barry assisted Ralph into getting his body and mind back, the thinker died during that. And let's not forget how his wife killed him too when he consciousness was inside the chair. So the thinker died twice in one episode
"Id rather go to prison for life than to fabricate evidence even though I know I am innocent" >gets out of prison because his friends fabricate evidence on his behalf an he thanks them for it "I will do anything to stop the thinker, except kill him" >end up stopping the thinker by erasing his consciousness, which effectively kills him I feel like the writers realize how op the flash is so they put him under some ridiculous moral constraints so he doesnt just instanstly win, but at the same time they arent smart enough to cleverly get around their own rules so they just have them not matter in the end and just dont acknowledge it. It is such flimsy and unbelievably bad writing. Its not just the bad set ups of action scenes which could be maybe excused, the core structure of the plot itself breaks your suspension of disbelief.
I love how this season hammers in the "We don't kill no matter what" thing but Barry's ultimate plan to stop the Thinker would, in his own words, erase his very existence.
Its a weird standard in media that death is okay as long as it isnt bloody despite some fates being worse without it Remember kids! Gory deaths are morally wrong and should never be used. Shredding someone on a molecular level and erasing them from reality or ripping their soul out is ok though.
@@superbrainz2357 Remember that eternally locking them in a capsule where they're conscious but they can't move is better than shooting them with a gun!
@@goosegas2087 Fates worse than death are low key terrifying. Shooting a character and having them bleed out isnt allowed yet having them be calcified through a heat vaporization attack and then blown into space only to drift for eternity while still alive is somehow fine though. A character that regenrates will constantly have chunks of their body repeately mutilated or cut off. Life force/soul is removed from the body and the victim lives on as a mindless hollow shell with no way of reversing the effects and essentially denied to move on to the in universe afterlife. Wally in the comics actually did something like that to barry's murderer. He zapped the guys speed essentially making him a statue and then placed him in the flash museum looking at barry's flash memorabilia for the rest of his life. That was pretty brutal. All of these are honestly way more terrifying to me than being shot or stabbed ever could.
I keep getting annoyed at madvocate repeating "knock him out" or "cuff her" over and over. Then I remember "oh thats right!" It isn't Madvocate I should be annoyed at. It's the writers for creating such a long period he has to fill explaining their mistake.
I love how consistently the writers are in degrading flash, a super hero that could literally vibrate within the speedforce so hard he can punch out superman, move so fast he can travel through time itself etc. Only to be taken down by opponents that only have supersonic screeches as a power.
Everything in this show couldve been solved if Barry would've said something like. "I have to turn my speed perception on and off because life would be torture if I was always living my life in slow motion" that would make it 90 times easier to justify why Barry goes Braindead half the time in which he should actually be using his powers instead of standing there
@@trafficcone7344 this has been parroted many times but what were the writers smoking lmao. Its like the writers for this show only only go through one draft and call it a day. These explanations wouldve literally only taken up one scene in s1 and wouldve excused Barry for the rest of the show
@@Pellzwell you see, in true flash spirit, the writers decided to write each episode as fast as they could, only giving themselves a short time limit to do so in. This way, they could really connect with the character of the flash. /s
I see what u mean but if he knows he is going to fight a villan or be cocky and talk before he does anything wouldn’t it be smarter to have it on I understand when he’s out of the suit but it seems stupid to keep it off when uk your about to fight
During Flashtime Jessie went to Earth 3 to get Jay Garrick which implies she opened a breach, but earlier in the episode it was established a breach can’t open in flashtime.
I swear I loved this show and I still do but I can never see it the same again after all Madvocates criticism videos and you guy’s comments I was honestly shocked how inconsistent this show is!
@@AdhvaithSane I liked season 1 even if i saw a lot of stupid things in it, but i ignored them because i'm used to shows on CW not being the best written and i'm also a comic reader and those are full of dumb character decisions for the sake of the plot, but i just couldn't ignore the same dumb decisions every season and opted out after finale of season 3.
@Amanuelspeaksfacts the CW's Flash doesn't even have good CGI, so the bad writing doesn't really help much for the show's image. Some of the comics have cool art that'll at least intrigue someone. (Though, I'm not really a comic Flash fan, so I might be wrong about that).
@@Hoopsforlife11 Funny enough, some of these villain comic interpretations have at least hidden details or stuff to excuse on what's happening(Captain Cold having The Cold Field, a weapon that stops motion & completely freezes all of your Protons & Neutrons and is stated to slow anyone who isn't a top tier speedster to a crawl) .The show doesn't though and just make him either just...stand there and stare, or somehow not react to the most basic hand to hand combat gesture, run *past* the main antagonist on purpose..etc.
The Thinker being the smartest man in the world seems totally ridiculous at first glance… BUT, remember the world Thinker is in. It’s easy to see why Devoe would assume that he’s smarter than everyone else. He can react and think faster than the resident speedster and all of his posse combined. It’s easy to be the big fish in a small pond when the pond is about as deep as a Petri dish.
@@jackunknown1692 correct. The whole show is predicated on Barry Allen being unbelievably incompetent at leveraging his powers. Devoe shouldn’t be able to do anything to react to Barry’s supersonic (and even superluminal) speed at all. But Barry keeps sitting there doing nothing instead of: Throwing literally anything at Devoe Just smacking him with a stick Injecting him with tranquilizers Disassembling his power chair at light speed Removing Devoe’s toupee Slapping power cuffs on Devoe Asking for backup from the demigod next door that is Kara Zor El. Relocating Devoe’s targets to an alternate reality. Dropping EMP devices in Devoe’s base when the smug moron opens a portal in front of Barry. My comment was highlighting how dumb everyone in the setting is. In the world of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. Except Devoe, our “one eyed man,” has extreme stigmatism in this analogy.
Now I know why the thinker is so intelligent.. They had to use a brain enhancer tech to think that they need to run facial recognition technology... Like how dumb are those people... Even a monkey would learn after being slapped twice..... Use flash time apprehend them.. I really want to see a villain who would trick the flash into using his powers just to outsmart him by getting caught and releasing all the villains that he had previously caught.. And then starts to keep speed bombs everywhere.. Everytime flash touches the bombs in the city to disarm them the bombs would latch onto him and then would blast if he slows down or gets into the vicinity of another bomb.. It would create a scenario where flash is being toyed around by the villain while the villain starts to target his family and he has to choose between the city and his family.. Taking 4-5 hostages everytime with speed bombs that will explode everytime they're in contact with the speed force or moved faster than a nano second... It can span 1 season.. With this storyline... But the writer is just crap at this point
@@Xenobearsi don't understand if you are serius or didn't pay attention, the thinker doesn't need to react to barry, he literally knows every single move he is gonna do so he can just predict it, while flash can't predict his dodging.
I love how the whole routine of "we don't kill..." and "we don't have to kill anyone..." creates a massive rift to previous seasons and actions from these characters and it could be solved with writing, and not even clever writing at that. All you're missing is a god damn "...anymore." at the end and give them a singular moment of guilt and then never bring it up again. It's a bit patchy and it doesn't solve all the other problems with the show, but it's issues like these that shouldn't even arise in the first place lmao
Kind of amazing how writers seem to struggle with the concept of Object Permanence. It's like all it takes for a bad guy to escape is to go off screen and Barry can't catch up. Really ironic that a character is literally named "Peek-A-Boo"
No no this is it. This is too much, even for him. This has gone too far and was insufferably! It actually torment! So much braincells have died these last 3 hours!
What gets me isnt that they underpower barry, it's that they repeatedly show off the full extent of his powers only to immediately backtrack and weaken him. It would be one thing if he was consistently slower in season 4 than in his other appearances, i could accept that as being a retcon maybe. But when you go from him using superspeed in superspeed to not being able to dodge human hands is laughable.
@@willow1601 I agree that that doesn't make sense, but at least Pikachu used the moves it had against snivy. The equivalent would be giving Pikachu an automatic win button that it refuses to press. The flash can literally stop time at will, and yet he refuses to move at all when people's lives are on the line. It makes him feel more like a villain than a hero.
@@briandiomede7354 I think the two situations are more similar than you remember. Pikachu actually doesn't use anything but iron tail against snivy. The Flash doesn't use any of the good tools he has at his disposal. However, in the pikachu situation they at least try to say it was because Zekrom was weakening him. The Flash has no excuse except maybe he fears the bad luck or something(although that is never stated).
On top of everything you've listed yourself the one thing I've NEVER been able to wrap my head around is how the HELL Devoe somehow figured out exactly what powers each meta would get?? Like in what world does making sure bumbass #3 sits on the 7th seat on the left give him shrinking powers
It would have been better if they said that he considered any powers they could have gotten and had made plans surrounding every possible power they could have gotten.
I really hope you at least do one more season. I love watching you tear this show up, it deserves it. So many dumb things, I could write a whole different script for this video.
Watching this video made me think about an episode from "Teen Titans Go" where Robin finally got superpowers for the first time. The powers Robin was giving was equivalent to Superman (Super Strength, Speed, Heat Wave Vision, ETC). The best part about this is that it took Robin a whole 10 seconds to end crime all over the city (I say city because my brain is a bit fuzzy if he'd ended crime all over the world). With that accomplishment, the rest of team decided to disband cause Robin has pretty much had it all figure out and no longer was needed. Time went by and Robin was pretty much isolated for the rest of his life with just a job, no friends or a family of his own as he question if the powers he was giving was a curse. Moral of the story is... *Teen Titans Go Is Better Than CW Flash.*
@@thabangpatiko9869teen titans go isnt horrible and never was. You guys only hate it bc it shares its namesake with the original teen titans show which in and of itself wasn’t even that good of a show in the first place. Massively overrated
Iris being a journalist means she'd know laws about recording in her state, and that it's a felony to record without the other party's consent in missouri...but as a journalist, recording the conversation would absolutely occur to her and be her instinct. In this day and age, we record almost all our interviews, even if just to get a transcript for easier writing. Would have been interesting to have her like, have conflict between the law and her professional ethics and her desperation to save Barry. For all the journalist characters in superhero media, you'd think they'd make more use of the genuinely interesting ethical dilemmas inherent to the profession
This made me realize something, Berry 100% had time to move devoes body to a lake or vat of acid and thus make it nearly impossible to convict him for murder, and it wouldn't conflict with any of his morals since he's literally innocent
That whole plot was dumb. He did nothing wrong and 10,000 ways to get out of it, but for absolutely no reason he decides to just let it happen. Was he really willing to just spend the rest of his life in prison? I call bull
@@jonathantadlock-stein2023nihilistic flash is actually super frustrating lol. He really would have just let everyone in the future he could have saved rot while he rots in jail. Why?
He would be tampering with evidence at a crime scene. And that's a criminal offense. But there would be plenty of other ways to avoid the problem. And sometimes breaking the law is ethical. For instance, he was breaking and entering in the first place. The only reason going to jail makes sense would be that he thought he could easily challenge the charges in court. And that, in the long run, would be the better strategy. Doing that might be wiser than digging himself in deeper by tampering with evidence. But they didn't do a great job of explaining that was the case. And just standing there was beyond stupid. Just leave and deal with situation in court if the police actually bring charges against you. Why do their job for them and offer them absolute proof of Barry being there. The other evidence could be more easily challenged.
@@TerryProtheroDude he's the fucking Flash lol. They wouldn't have caught him if he tampered with the evidence. This is the stupidest justification for bad writing.
I wanna know what team star labs is being paid from because it’s not like anybody has a job except iris and joe. Plus, they should be bankrupt now after the particle accelerator explosion. Like wtf Cisco Barry and Kate aren’t getting paid to do hero work, so how are they surviving? Unemployment checks?
@@cosmo_7 the transmog device isn't a power though, it's tech. Breacher would probably still be pissed about it anyway, but he'd have to figure out that it's Cisco under there first
This show desperately wanted to be the new Smallville. It wanted flavor-of-the-week mutants with interesting powers and it wanted seasonal arc villains too. The issue is that Clark Kent didn't start out with his skin being resistant to everything. He didn't start out at his full strength, AND he himself had to constantly learn his growing strength. He had a crippling weakness, Kryptonite, which was also the thing that tended to CREATE those villains, so it came up a lot and would turn the tides in encounters he would've otherwise handled with ease. He was also presented with a lot of circumventions to his incredible resilience, especially early on. He generally either fought villains who were powered up enough to be a threat or that countered his abilities in one or more ways, and during the later parts of the series, it wasn't afraid to show him resolve minor threats easily since he was getting into being a proper vigilante by that point. But before he started using costumes, he was resolving local threats which prevented him from publicly displaying his powers against the threats which would come from seemingly nowhere, which put a lot of constraints on what he could do. Although in hindsight, I'm sure the show has a fair few "Clark can generally move and think at super speed so why isn't he dodging a normal-speed super-punch", but the show doesn't present him as having the same kind of automatic "I enter slow-mo whenever a threat generally presents itself and I can stay like that for an eternity" like Flash does, so he's very capable of being both surprised and overwhelmed. Clark's speed is also a fair bit slower through most of the show, and he constantly has to deal with threats far outside the reach of a single town or city, often times being located both in the middle of nowhere or very far away, so often times the issue is actually finding the villain and 'getting there in time' rather than failing to use his abilities like Flash does. With the kind of threats Flash faces, he needs to be dealing with threats on the scale of at least an entire U.S. state if they ever want "We don't know where X is" and "Can I get there in time" circumstances to be plausible challenges, but the show refuses to ever shoot in locations that aren't in the city it's set in.
@@BigZ-19 The way it was used wasn't exactly that great, considering how many episodes contained scenes where Clark was out of order thanks to Kryptonite-pieces around or people with powers gained by Kryptonite. But yes, at least it was a good explanation. As far as i remember he used his powers consistantly when he was able to. Just having someone forget what he could do or react slower than he should be able to is way worse. If the Flash-writers would do a Captain America-movie, they would let him save the day by throwing his shield - but only after at least 20 situations where the shield would have been usefull if he hadn't forgotten to use it (while having it on his back).
@@dabartos4713 Yeah that was... literally the thesis statement? It wanted to be like Smallville and it failed for the reasons that are the subject of the comment.
32:19 i genuinely thinking that guy is just improving the script on his own because barry literally just repeating his denial "You could have saved him and caught her" "...to help the person in danger first" Barry translation " I could saved him." Barry just repeating that guy point which means it might be that guy going off script.
I am convinced the writers think that real fights just work on an initiative count. Everyone gets their turn to make a single attack that randomly works or doesn't work on the roll of a die. This is why Flash's speed is so underutilized, because he already made an attack action or the dash action to run from Star Labs to the villain. This is the only explanation that makes sense to me
God, I can see it now. It doesn’t even matter what powers you’d get. If anyone who liked this video was on team flash, the rest of the team would probably hate you for being “too reckless” or “aggressive”, and the director would include a bunch of music stings and camera pans to hint you’re actually evil or something
Does anyone remember in season 1, Wells lists Ralph Dibney as someone who he hurt and was injured/killed by the particle accelerator. Now in this he is perfectly fine and they never mention it or even excuse it as a side effect of flashpoint
I like to think that thawne didn’t give two shits about the people he hurt he only knew Ralph Dibney’s name was because he knew who he was from the fact that he’s a time traveler. He further knew that the electric guy didn’t have the information to verify that he was correct.
Also, since the cork sphere is now destroyed, shouldn’t the speed force now be raining hell on earth and demanding for Barry to go back into the speed force?
I've realised the brilliance of the series, all the inconsistent character writing, abilities and stakes can all be explained by off-screen speedsters from different time periods all messing with time, creating ripples that change the world from second to second of actual screentime. Therefore what we are actually seeing is a montage of different timelines, each with different character personalities, abilities and in-world logic strung together like frames in an animation. It truly is amazing how the writers were able to masterfully implement such a concept in their writing.
He's smart without his powers. Season 1 Episode 1 showed Barry being a great CSI. Season 4 Episode 13 showed Barry being smart enough to create a powder and electric water to melt through metal. But as soon as Barry gets his powers back he's stupid.
They should've never invented the concept of "meta power dampening" - if they needed it absolutely NEEDED it, they shouldve done something that just "weakens" their powers, not just 100% shuts them off instantly by just wearing a bracelet. It makes most metas non threats even without super speed.
I can’t imagine how painful the existence of these characters must be. To have onset dementia, have a brain made up of caterpillar hair, and be inconsistent in every aspect of existence because the writers decided to abandon the characters to a fate worse than death. Imagine having an insurmountable obstacle on an hourly basis only to overcome it the next day as if it were nothing only to forget how you did it then repeat. Poor team flash
1:02:41 couldn’t Cisco like open a breach under Trickster and like put him at the precinct or something Couldn’t he do that to anyone should Barry be preoccupied
I seriously hope that Madvocate does ALL of the seasons. I know that the show is horrible and gets worse but these are some of the best videos I’ve ever watched. At the very least I’d want a fifth season review as that’s the season that made me go from thinking the show was meh to thinking it was utter garbage.
I agree. I really enjoy how he destroys this shows god awful writing. I have no clue how this show has 9 seasons, I guess people just have money to waste. I also don't care if this takes him forever to do, I'll wait years. If need be.
@@Group-935 I'll also sit and wait for years. Cosidering that i'm subbed to a RUclipsr named.......Well I'll just call him Pyrotecnicol, he was working on a video for almost a year and he just released it a few days ago and it's pretty good. It's also the 2nd longest video on his channel so i'm gonna have a lot of content to watch.
I feel that the argument ‘if only barry didn’t let himself get caught’ falls flat on its face since he would just talk like a moron and let the villain beat his ass then escape.
The CW flash could be described as an "artificially builded conflict" series of events. The problem is not the fact that Barry is overpowered as f, but the plot needs him to be DUMB.
i think all the actors were really good, except for the first few episodes, and danielle panabaker (killer frost) trying to be evil they were just let down by horrendous writing
somehing i also would like to point out is that the timers are quite generous when barry is running to something because time would be going by slower to show him running
It occurs to me a good chunk of these moments where Barry should have reacted fast enough to easily stop the bad guy could have been explained if they'd just said something like "he needs to actively concentrate to use his powers/it takes tunnel vision focus to move at super speed."
@Annam Prasanth I think in the comic where it is shown he can think at super speed, he ends up thinking too much and gets shot(???) and he now chooses to actively not think at superspeed. Still shouldn't be getting shot or anything though. Although he casually plays chess at super speed with superman in injustice (I think) so that's probably bunk.
@@jacklansdale77 actually, comics is wildly inconsistent with Flash as well. Coz quite frankly he is way overpowered. So, he can think at superspeed only coz of that he is able to react and move faster than speed of light.
Plasticman is like that one noob in a lobby full of noobs that think they're pro players. They do the same dumb stuff as he does, maybe even dumber, but they blame him for every mistake. And he actually takes the blame with dignity, because he's genuinely convinced that since they're more experienced, they're right about pointing all the mistakes towards him. Compartment based on a true story btw.
its like the writers wipe their memory every 2 eps, this is such a hard video to watch but so entertaining, thanks Madvocate for your work because lord it must be mind-numbing creating these videos
The amount of times the good guys forget that they've killed people before is shocking. Was season 4 made by different people or something? Cuz with the wildly different stance on killing the bad guys, it seems like it.
Even if it was different writers than seasons 1-3 there were times in season 4 where the good guys straight up did attempted murder (and actual murder with the defeat of devoe cuz like he was straight up erased from existance or smth) so like maybe they were just constantly switching writers through out season 4
Same issue with the walking dead honestly. The characters flipped flopped from gladly stabbing a villains guts out and acknowledging rightful killing as good than a few episodes later try and push the idea that killing under any circumsatnce is absurd and pacifism is the only way forward. Negan became a better character going forward but the way they bent over backwards to have the characters keep him alive was painful to watch.
you know how they said argus had a way to check for transmogrification detection, all they had to do was have a throw away line saying it wouldn't work and the only option is ralph
This was the Season that had broken me. I was able to overlook the many problems of the first 3 Seasons (and there were MANY) but I was able to just kinda mindlessly enjoy things. But this Season, Season 4? It was so ungodly, aggressively terrible and not just lacking common sense but actively trying to be anti-intelligent at every single turn that it was all I could do to see it to the end. I really hope Madvocate makes more videos on the other Seasons though. I'd love to see how godawful they continued to get after this one and him shred them.
It was s5 for me. I didn’t know what “good writing” was back then, so I was distracted by the lighter tone (compared to s3) and s4 finally not having a speedster main villain (which I now realize was a bad thing). They kept standing and staring at the main villain of s5. Nobody, at any point, super or otherwise, tried long-ranged attacks against the killer. It made me scream at my screen at one point. I hope this video does well, so i can see if there’s any more plotholes i missed in s5.
I'm reminded of the phrase "the characters can only be as intelligent as the writers." It's really difficult to write even normally smart characters, having the half-wits at CW attempt to write someone with metahuman levels of intelligence is literally impossible.
@@xipheonj its definitely hard, but not impossible. you can still have OP characters lose you just have to think about it. quicksilver losing to apocalypse made sense in x men because it was something he couldnt react to, and was able to nullify his speed.
@@Shaggy87781 you missed my point. What's impossible is for the lowest tier writers that work for the CW being able to write a character who is intelligent. They aren't smart enough. They were unable to make Davoe seem even the slightest bit intelligent because they aren't. It's why everything he did was so incredibly stupid that even most normal people could come up with better plans. If Davoe was written by a competent/intelligent writer then he could've beaten Flash in a realistic way. Instead the writers have to make Team Flash so dumb that seeing eat crayons wouldn't be a surprise just so Davoe's plans that the writers came up with could work.
Devoe was actually not stupid. He intentionally acted stupid to bait Madvocate to create another Flash video to enlighten the viewers of the inconsistency of the Arrowverse. The enlightenment did happen in the end.
What a twist! 😃
Wow
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LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 😂😂😂😂
My theory is that Barry actually perceives everything in flashtime constantly so by the time he turns around to see a villan has walked around a corner he's already forgotten about them
That would make sense
My powers are super speed and super ADD
ADD + ADHD grindset
So Barry is retarded?
uhm, if he perceives everything in flash time then how does the moron, get hit by people, and loses to villains when they are right in front of him and not take them out, and if he perceives everything in flash time how does he talk, super slowly so other can understand???
Love the repetition of seeing Atom Smasher, Sandman and Savitar being killed over and over by Team Flash, while lecturing others on the morality of murder. It never gets old.
It kinda does, wouldve probably sped it up after the tenth time.
@@dodojesus4529gotta get that three hour runtime somehow. I really like these videos, but let's be honest, this video could've easily been half the length it currently is. And that's still being generous.
@@dodojesus4529he would not let them get away with it and I am happy with that
I mean, it would've been better if they had woven the times they needed to kill into their hesitation to do it, but they act almost as if they have never taken a life at all in this season, and that's what really does it a disservice.
Sandman is actually still alive, even fake jay confirms this in episode 2
rewatching season 4 has led me to the realization that 90% of Ralph becoming a "hero" is just team flash gaslighting his common sense out of him
I like how 90% of the criticism of the show could have been avoided if they said something like "we need to collect data about the meta's power to adjust the power dampening cuffs"
Also if they added a bit in S1 where Barrey almost killed someone when he punched them at super speed
So it’s not so easy for him to just tackle people down at super speed, he has to slow down first.
Or if they just said that Barry can't touch or move anyone at superspeed without doing damage, and that attacking someone in superspeed would kill them, which he has a code of conduct not to do.
Still wouldnt make much sense because be could still relocate them to Iron Heighs or P.A prision. And if they needed to collect data for that too, show wouldnt be logic, imagine have to build a personalized prision cell for each meta that shows up?
@@lucasgomesmoreira8451 Could be easily handwaved as stationary power suppressors are more powerfull and don't need adjustments.
Also if they treated superspeed as a limited resource that they have to be careful not to deplete in case it’s really needed. I know that’s not how it works, but it would somewhat explain why Flash is always hesitant to use it.
Like, he could go into bullet time for only a second of normal time before he’s too strained and weak to keep it up. That way it’s not OP, and if he’s already used bullet time that day it could be the reason he’s too slow in the following scenes.
It's funny how Ralph is the biggest narcissistic scoundrel but somehow also the only one that ever takes complete ownership of his mistakes.
and at least for some time, being the closest thing to a rational person in this show.
What’s more narcissistic than proving you’re more mature by owning up to your mistakes. It’s more believable and successful than your common garden variety narcissism. It’s a common tactic of communists and those of the woke persuasion. Though in the case of the latter it often manifests in admitting to a lesser crime.
Hahahaha
@@deliciadeconta2596 Yeah. Then they ditched the actor due to nonsense allegations when twatter mob tried to cancel him. Then the show went even further downhill, as hard as it is to imagine that.
@@Grivehnit wasn’t allegations it was because of tweets that he indeed posted. However those were written by him several years before he even started to work on The Flash and imo those tweets obviously didn’t reflect the person he actually is/was at the time he got fired.
I would love to see a remake of the flash which is just 10 mins each season of him acting intelligently and cuffing everyone, like an any% speedrun of the show.
Add in some sections with him trying to work through the villain of the week's personal problems, whether successfully or not, and it would become a kind of hilarious superhero therapy show.
I would like a remake of the show where someone who can actually play the Flash goes back in time and stops every Flash timestop event, causes another Flashpoint where the show is removed and the premier shows every episode being Thanos'd from the CW's website.
@@franklinturtleton6525 that's unfair. The actor did fine, it was the writers that couldn't *write* Flash that were the issue.
Only if they make the Flash pre-new 52 Wally. He has enough charisma and lovable energy to carry 10 minute shorts really well. Part of the problem with this show is CW didn't feel just a flash show would be interesting enough and heavily relied on side plots, extending plots, and using side characters to fill up time because Barry couldn't carry the show.
@@theendersmirk5851 no, nononononono. Grant Gustin way too whiney and emotional to play the stoic and cool-headed Barry Allen. Any piece of media has him freak out in DIRE situations but whenever Grant's Barry is inconvenienced by anything he has a meltdown.
While watching season 4, I decided Devo was just a regular intelligence level guy, but comparing to team Flash he was a genius 😂😂
He was too smart for them😂
I can even believe he's the smartest person on Earth - that Earth.
There's a SF-story by Poul Anderson called Brain Wave, where it turns out that our solar system was under the effect of an energy-dampening field that hampered neuron activity. After the Earth leaves this field every human and even all the animals get way smarter.
Every time i see stupidity on the level of the Flash i'm imagening their planet was just hit by the idiot-ray. Would explain a lot. Or in this universe the events of Idiocracy just started way earlier ...
@@theend-nz6vsI imagine that his inventions are made out of cardboard but the flash team is so delusional that they think and see it as high tech.
@@qua_xor3348 devo teleporting was him just riding on a scooter
I think he just has one more braincell than anyone on Team Flash alone or combined. If Barry’s IQ is 1, DeVoe’s IQ is 2.
i think irises superpower is gaslighting and manipulation and it works so well that most people in the flash tv show dont see how horrible of a character and a person she is.
And it is a real pleasure watching the so called fans just watch her act all pissed, take her side sometimes, and not see how much gaslighting and manipulative she is throughout the show👍
I want her to die ASAP.
Hate her
Nah compared to the Flash and his friends, she’s a saint
@@egbertmilton4003yea fr, like barry didn't have any problems with stealing and killing and kidnapping in the first 3 seasons
You need to hand it to Barry. Intelligence has pursued him since season 1, but he's always been faster.
@@detroider7844mach 3 is a little over 1km/s yhat is not faster than light
@@Nickson-michael ok
@@Nickson-michael”um actually” vibes
It’s the only time he doesn’t stop to talk
He's a crime scene investigator, there is zero excuse for him to be this dumb ngl
He may not be the worst villain overall, but his name being “The Thinker” when he actively doesn’t think is just priceless
They thought through Iris being a manipulative gaslighter more than any other plot point
@@garrettcooper58 True, they thunkled really hard about character assassination rather than important stuff like common sense and remembering what they wrote 5 seconds ago
He’s a top 3 villain, way better than Savitar
He also claims to be the fastest mind alive when he is anything but.
When I did watch this show, I always called him the Stinker, 'cause his character and plan was utter dogshit.
“Flash time, put him in the pipeline.” Damn that bar goes hard.
Quick, someone sample this and slap a trap beat on it.
It’s so nice you could say it 25,000 times to represent a small amount of time that flashes by flashes eyes when he is about to get hit with something
Gotta make a banger out of that!!
@@anthonyrygalski6424 This sounds like a job for Noiselund!
yall forgot plot lol
1:26:20 Notice how she's at first fully capable of defending herself against DeVoe in an intelligent way, but AFTER training with team flash she decides to stop and talk? They really trained her well! 🤔
LMFAO FR
Holy shit that’s hilarious 😂
Lmao, my exact thought during that scene was “well she learned from the best”
How did I not notice that? Holy hell, that is the funniest thing ever
so THAT'S why DeVoe kept letting Team Flash get to the Metas first.
You know Season 4 must be real bad in comparison to Seasons 1-3 when the naming has changed from “Insufferably Inconsistent” to “Infuriatingly Inconsistent”.
Yah that's true, especially the ending
Imagine what the other seasons will be like
It is
Next season should be called the Flash is inconceivably inconsistent.
Imagine the lightsaber season.
I like how Barry is able to EASILY out run lightning but also at the same time is shown to have visual processing speeds that are worse than an average human. It is like they keep forgetting that a speedster needs to have utterly bonkers reaction times just to be able to run without constantly obliterating people around them like A-train from The Boys.
Not even that, they need the insane reactions to not obliterate themselves while running into buildings
@@TheAcademicSavantYo what 😂😂
@@TheAcademicSavant"Flash wouldn't be able to come"
I wonder what source you used to acquire such intimate information
@@TheAcademicSavant "And his come would kill Iris."
Haha, holy shit, how come I never thought of that? The moment he shoots his load, it would rip through her and shoot out of the top of her head like a bullet.
A cum bullet.
Nice.
@@pedroivog.s.6870in the Tv show “TheBoys” PopClaw,AKA A trains Girlfriend, got Oral six and her come blew the guys head out.
I love how Barry and the gang gets progressively more idiotic. Imagine how long Season 5's is gonna be.
Who’s ready for the 5 and a half hour video?!
Season six is about to be 3 to 6 hours long I can already tell
@@mateushenriquepinheiro3197Season 7 is just gonna be 5 hours long. I can't say about season 8 because i honestly couldn't tank it anymore and i quit watching that abomination of a show.
1:42:05 I love how this was the one time that Barry decides to chase after the bad guy after he runs away and it just happens to be when he loses his powers. Outstanding
So fucking true
The worst part is that are more scenes that more frustrating than that one
A masterpiece of comedy
lmfao didn't even realise that this is actually the only time he makes an attempt
Also in cognitive science, we learn that toddlers when something is hidden from them will think that the item just vanished off the face of the earth since they don’t have the mental capacity to realize that it’s right behind the wall or screen, so in other words team flash and their writers have the mental capability of toddlers. Fantastic
The sad part is that it's not even the actors fault. It's the horrible writers
exactly, i think the actors are great. just the goddamn writing.
@@fearlesstay Don't go overboard here, the actors are decent AT BEST. But yeah, that also is the directors' and writers' fault.
@@92brunodf credit is given where it is due, they all have plenty of moments where they prove they are good actors. It's common sense to know that bad writing will affect how the actor's skills are portrayed.
anyone can act easily
@@eddieedward656 I think you're underestimating acting
1 Simple fix to most problems is just to say that the Meta Cuffs need to be configured to specific meta abilities.
Therefore Flash needs to stop to talk, get enough info about the power, and then Cisco configures them and idk wirelessly uploads them to the cuffs so that Barry can put them on and have them work or something.
That's quite a smart weakness, considering the weird concept of one single tech that neutralizes several abilities (as if it was some dispell magic thing).
Congrats, you’re smarter than every CW writer ever. This is actually a clever way of allowing dialogue and tension when Barry could otherwise defuse everything instantly
Got any other plot hole fixes?
@@danguerette2099To be fair, being smarter than a CW writer is not a high bar to clear.
Idk, Barry could just knock the metas unconscious and bring them to the dampening room, no cuffs needed.
@@wkoya4803they are talking about a fix to whatever was actually shown in the show. This isn't a film, and so it makes sense if the writers include some banter between the heroes and the villians. But this is a good reason to validate this talk.
Okay but the real Clifford’s dead body exists, so Ralph impersonating him should absolutely not have worked
Somehow the police just let him go without any investigation 😅
Also police knows there is metahumans
the magic cuffs really create all the logical problems in the show, huh. Imagine if instead they had to actually study the abilities of the person and figure out a specific solution to detain that person... that would give them a reason to stand and talk and not just immediately apprehend the villain
Still dumb as hell, you'll have plenty of time to study them if Barry knocks them out with super speed.
@@liquidanimations3397exactly. Even without the cuffs he can just relocate them.
he wouldn't just knock them out because he wants to try and resolve things without violence, and relocation could be dangerous with a meta with unknown abilities - they might have a power which does something dangerous in contact or when in proximity
@@applestheheroI know Barry has a wallnut for a brain but I still think he could recognize the value of saving tons of lives with the only loser in the situation being the villain who got a mild concussion is a lot better than putting civilians in harms way for a nice chat
Is the risk of instant knockout or relocation high, yes, but is it higher if you just stand and wait with your thumb up your ass while the villain makes a move, also yes
Stopping to talk would work in a world where the Flash was so competent, that he doesn't feel the need to immediately incapacitate a person. He just rocks up, trys to understand the goomba and if they aren't the type to calm the fug down, cuff em.
Spiderman can do this cus hes actually competent
@@ocbmega1011also spiderman isn't super speed and does his taunting while getting shit done, and uses taunting as a tool
The Flash actually did this right once, when Barry had to deal with a gang of card deck villains sometime in season 8. He stopped to let them let out all their card puns, and made immediate work of them once they jumped him.
@@egg7540 yeah. Too bad its in fucking season 8. Took him 8 years. Also season 8 seemed like it was gonna be a saving grace and maybe the writers managed to return a little competence to the show, and then season 9 happened 😪
@@ocbmega1011 fr Spidey's got it
Its actually the flash's thing in the comics to stop and talk to his bad guys too, because he believes that they can change. The main difference is that the comics version is smart and fast enough to react when stopping to talk goes wrong, whereas this show just has barry/wally getting absolutely destroyed whenever they stop to talk, which is every episode.
I agree it's slightly better, but I'd still argue that it's way smarter and safer to talk someone down after capturing them and locking them up in a meta prison
@@mac1991seth well yeah but most villains in the comics actually have a counter to flash's speed, like captain cold's cold field, heatwave temp manipulation, golden gliders speed force sap, etc
@@DaDonroy101 Okay, that makes sense. Way more sense than running into a beam of cold "because".
That and the comic version snapped thawne's neck.
@@mac1991seth it's kinda crazy how they skipped over crucial parts of characters equipment, like the only instance i think they didn't have these counters was in there first outings then developed them later after facing the flash for the first time (because comic villains always escape prison)
When making this show the writers had two paths to choose: either commit to having Barry be OP and come up with creative ways for villains to outplay him, or commit to having a bullshit reason as to why Barry doesn’t use his speed to just end every confrontation immediately. Instead of choosing a path they just wandered off into the woods, got lost, and have been scraping by in a homeless mans tent, which results in so many scenes of Barry getting knocked down and just sitting there, refusing to use his powers for no reason other than plot convenience, while the villains monologue and then escape
Except they want to seem like they have reason why the flash cant beat anyone instantly by giving him this weird moral code which they dont even uphold themselves.
Bary let himself get caught because he didnt want to cheat the system, but then he gets out of prison by cheating the system.
He couldnt defeat Davoe immediately because "killing bad" but the way they finally defeat him is by basically killing him. It so dumb.
They could’ve easily made it so he can only be fast for very limited amount of time due to the amount of food he has to eat, and unless he’s in a good situation where he can refuel constantly, has to either finish the situation quickly or use speed sparingly. Saves budget as well, considering how they already make him just… stand there
@@pian-0g445 No, that wouldn't solve the problem that he can beat his enemies instantly. It's also just kind of stupid - a nutrition based limit to a superpower? That's just lame.
No, you really should just make his enemies tougher. It's not even that difficult. Fog control man from the first episode of season 1? Wraps himself in fog completely and makes himself invincible no matter how fast Barry runs because he's covered all over. Duplicate man? Hides his real self away somewhere and only lets his clones wreak havoc, so Barry can't find him and stop him. Poison cloud man? Is always in cloud mod and is intangible, so Barry can't just grab him no matter how fast he is. Etc. etc. Even just using the same villains and powers, you can easily just make them be a challenge for Barry. The writers are just literally too stupid and lacking in imagination to do it.
@@Arphemiuswell it makes sense tho, all versions of the flash (and any other character with super speed) they need constant food intake to replenish the calories they lose while running, so it would make a lot of sense for it to be a weakness for him, it could at least weaken him or make him slower
@@ramsehannema9076 I mean you can make any rule work for any superpower if you really want to, but it's still kind of lame. Also, he could also eat at superspeed, so for that to become a problem he would always have to be "unlucky" enough to get hungry and not have anything ready to eat so that he is hungry and slows down just when there's a supervillain nearby. Seems weird, and all "conditional" superpowers are kind of more wacky and unappealing - "I am super strong, but only when I wear a pink trench coat and have petted a cat in the last 24 hours", it's always kind of weird.
Honestly, just make the villains tougher, it really isn't that much of a problem.
Sometimes I worry that my writing is terrible and inconsistent. Whenever that happens in the future, I will go and rewatch this video, as a reminder that if something this inconsistent and this riddled with plotholes and characters just being stupid for no reason other than the plot needs them to be stupid in order to happen can be a big successful TV show, then a few small inconsistencies or plotholes won't hurt my books that like 3 people read
Agreed.
A lot of people write by thinking of a start and end then connecting them, but that's where inconsistencies appear. Instead you should start with a vague idea and add detail to it. Foreshadowing can even be done better like this because it may even appear unintentionally.
@@puppergump4117yea, that works pretty well
@@puppergump4117thats more then likely what they have always done
I love Madvocate’s brief little affections for Ralph.
Y’know when Ralph is consistently a good character and not sacrificed on the podium of “CW’s highlight reel for kicks”
Yeah he was really good. Too bad he got into trouble. But even he wasn't enough to save the show.
Plastic Man is always a delight, even the CW couldn't immedialty Ruin him.
@@xadalau9758Actually that's elongated man not plastic man they are two different characters.
@@malikpierre-louis3343 Sorry, I confused the two because both have their name translated the same here in my country.
Barry Allen refusing to be the Flash while imprisoned is made even worse when in Episode 12 he drops a random inmate off in China without anyone noticing he's gone. Meaning that Barry could easily superspeed out of his cell, knockout or transfer said supervillain to iron Heights, and then comeback without anyone noticing.
he tried it once and immediately got caught by a hidden camera
@@MisterTTGAND??? who gon stop him? He gets caught blinking on camera all the time. Crossing the ocean isn't slower than staying in the country to a place you already know?
The saddest part about the flash is most of these problems could be fixed in 1-2 episodes MAX like hitting someone at Mach 5 could have been explained with Barry hitting a meta and eviscerating them which could explain his hesitancy to fight and why he doesn't use his speed in fights to its fullest advantage
By hesitancy to fight i mean standing around and being useless while having the ability to end any and every confrontation in a picosecond 😉(Excluding other speedsters and other absurdly fast moving superhero's/villains)
I was thinking the same thing. Frozen-literally a movie targeted at kids-had that trope done pretty well. Elsa accidentally hurt Anna and the guilt from it as well as the fear invoked in her due to her parents hammering the “conceal don’t feel” mindset into her head leaves her reluctant to use her abilities at all. It comes to a head multiple times when she gets overwhelmed and nearly hurts innocent people + nearly kills Anna a second time.
That could’ve been an awesome trope for Barry. He accidentally hurts/kills someone and is so reluctant to use his powers that they “build up” and make it dangerous for him to lose his cool/get overwhelmed. Cue an arc where he has to work on balancing it out and the fear never fully goes away (I mean, if you accidentally hurt/kill someone it kind of sticks) so he still has moments where he struggles to fight out of fear of it happening again.
Some other “weaknesses” that I’ve thought of are:
- He could keep getting stuck in Flashtime. It happens when he gets surprised or overwhelmed and he has to wait for his body to physically exhaust itself before he can escape it.
- He could start phasing whenever he gets upset. I’m pretty sure there was an episode where Barry couldn’t stop phasing and there were repercussions for it that the team had to work out. That would be a decent trope IMO
- He could get severe headaches from all the speed thinking. These could result in slip-ups when he’s fighting and saving people. Maybe make it so Caitlyn comes up with a medication but it’s so potent that it has side effects of its own and Barry has to choose between one or the other.
These are just some that I liked the idea of but it’s just my opinion so I’m sure not everyone would like those tropes :)
I think people tend to forget the only way for a non speedster to beat the flash is to have some automatic defense, like sand man or Senestro
Or in this show
A door
@@molassesman4066 I'm pretty sure he could be defeated by a banana peel in this show
@@potatolord2196the mostly deadly foe, "Removing Floor Hazard Signs Man"
@@molassesman4066or a ten second diversion
@@coledog10 telling him they are leaving then walk away
Slow enough that vegeta goes "he-s fast!"
I love the "genius scientist has to use intelligence booster for really basic stuff" because it implies that the writers had a really hard time thinking of this stuff. That is how stupid they are.
I read that as soon as my boy said it
I really admire Madvocate's optimism. Considering he has seen Barry for 3.5 years of in-world time, Madvocate is still confident that if Barry was not in prison he could've cuffed those metas and saved people in the process, despite Barry not doing that 99.5% of the time 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
99.9%
I don't think he actually thought he would. I think he just missed not being able to say "cuff 'im" and "cuff 'er".
48:19 the only excuse I have for Barry telling the cops everything is because he’s also a cop by proxy and naïvely trusts them
Ralph making that snide comment about Iris being a bad leader, was one of the best season 4 moments.
Sadly he gets shat on for it, which leads to the entire conflict of Iris getting speed because she goes into the field to prove a point.
timestamp?
Ralpha was the only semi competent character there.
@@maestro_303 ruclips.net/video/dMe0CqGOnnI/видео.html
1:10-1:23
I like how Barry claims that he doesn't kill, but then he goes ahead and suggests, "Hey Ralph, let's extract you from DeVoe's brain, effectively erasing him." What exactly did Barry anticipate happening to DeVoe? Did he believe that DeVoe would miraculously emerge unscathed, in a different body alive and well?
To be fair, when it comes to killing a psychopath murderer in exchange of saving someone i think it goes away the morality aspect of no killing.
You can effectively spin it into, saving Ralph and sucks for DeVoe for body snatching someone else.
Still that doesn't fix all the other murders from Team Flash part. Or how DeVoe could have been stopped way earlier before it got into that point.
IT’s is difference with a low killer or someone like grood but Devo is a trying erase the mind of the world and is a psychopath
DeVoe killed himself and left his body in Barry's apartment
@@santiagovidelaleivathe problem being that if it’s ok to kill Devoe then, why not kill him earlier?
@@inquisitor9207 When you have powers like the Flash, a "no killing rule" makes sense, you are so incredible op that most situations you can solve without any blood spilled. But in this particularly case, there really isn't an answer to save Ralph and arrest DeVoe at the same time, you have to chose one and saving ralph should have priority.
Why don't kill earlier? why is even needed to do that? he could have removed him out of his chair and lock him in a cell in less than second before any of this happen.
While there are no real life laws or ethics about body swapping or body stealing, i would argue that in the Flash universe you can say that DeVoe killed himself. The victimized host of any body swapping shenanigan should always take priority against the perpetrator. And because DeVoe destroyed his own body, he simply sealed his fate without leaving any possibility of his own arrest.
The Flash can be a bad show but at least they can be consistent following these simple sci fi ethics. The unintended host should always take priority... right?...
The real reason Devoe's plan is full of holes is revealed at the end of the season: using the intelligence booster caused Wells to suffer brain damage and it was also going to be used to wipe the minds of everyone on the planet, which means that Devoe didn't actually have super intelligence, it's just that compared to Barry Allen a trained pidgeon looks like a genius so a man with the intellect of a child was actually the perfect opponent for a battle of the minds.
Pathetic
So the show was gaslighting us and when they realised they weren't smart enough to write a goof plan for a smart villain they retconned themselves. Right?
@@sushant832Exactly 😂
@@mattsterx damn lmao
I mean Savitar was dumb too.
At least Thawne and Zoom had mostly consistent, good plans.
1:55:00 to be fair, he did say "have", meaning he wanted to kill those people
Excellent point
You meant He didn't want to kill these people.
@@malikpierre-louis3343 he meant what he said
@@dukeslytalker1192I guess 🤷🏿♂️.
Something i just realized: season 5's main villain, cicada, is created from the explosion of the satellite, which only happened due to constant incompetence from barry in season 4. This means that every single person that cicada hurts, kidnaps or kills in season 5, regardless of how much it makes sense in the moment, they will have to fall under the "should have been saved" category.
Since the episode flashtime basically says flash is faster than light any death is basically avoidable
@Frank___hassle__this gets worse that even if Flash was in Mach 1 he would be 10x faster than most cars nowdays
Tbh the entire problem is that the show wants to be a drama, but The Flash is more of a comedy that sometimes gets deadly serious.
@Frank___hassle__Exactly. It cannot work as a pure drama for those reasons, because if they write the characters as not being morons, it can't have those sorts of stakes every episode.
The way to solve "don't stop and talk" honestly is to run with the concept that most of the Rogues are pretty mentally ill and it's purely a compassion thing, that Barry is always trying to talk them down because he doesn't want to hurt them. And just get rid of the cuffs as a concept. That tech shouldn't be able to be transported, preventing Barry from having an easy solution every time.
Even _then_ though, once Barry can't talk people down, it should usually end with him just transporting them away unless there's other circumstances. A good Flash show would need to abuse death traps and hostages and "a bunch of things all at once". Rogues should be using things like "I've rigged myself to explode if a speed detector in my body goes above a certain speed", "if I don't enter this code repeatedly innocent people die", "five of us are doing crimes in five separate locations and we all have hostages and are in contact so if you stop one of us the others kill theirs", "if there's too much vibrational force from your speed, these explosives will detonate", and stuff like that.
Also, nerf Barry. All you need to do there is to erase the whole "speed force prevents damage" concept. If Barry has to control his speed to not kill people or destroy things or vaporize things, it keeps him at a speed limit of a few hundred miles per hour tops outside of when he _needs_ to go faster and not care about the consequences.
Ironically, leaning more into the interpersonal drama aspects would benefit it. A lot of episodes should not be about stopping someone who should be easily stopped. Most Flash superhero work should be a comedy. Flash stopping to talk shouldn't stop him from winning, it should be "when they're not mentally ill and are just normal criminals, he's toying with them and just absolutely degrading them and messing with them, even letting them have hope of winning just for the heck of it, and the viewer always feels secure he's going to win despite all that because they're so pathetic compared to him". That could also feed into developing new rogues, people who have really grown to hate him because he just broke them down and humiliated them.
Captain Cold in particular is perfect for all of these concepts. "Oh Flash, yeah, you could just stop me, same as ever, right? Only... do you know where all the people i left freezing to death are? Sure, you could look for them, sure, you might find most of them, but if I don't get out of here scot free, you'll never know how many there are to find. I get back to my base, you get all their locations. Don't worry, nobody will die if you do what I say, you'll have enough time to save them all."
@@jackunknown1692 No he isn't. His Top speed is Mach 20, as in the Armageddon Crossover. In order to go Faster than the Speed of Light, he has to go at least Mach 881,735.
The nuclear bomb episode is when I completely checked out of the show
Flash can walk casually and hold multiple conversations while a nuclear bomb is in the process of exploding
He's moving at 99.98% light speed
He's unstoppable
Nothing past this episode makes sense
That's where I completely gave up on the show even when i liked it back in the day.
This is one of the biggest speed feats of the entire show and should allow barry to statue almost every opponent. Him touching someone at that speed would feel like a thousand freight trains hitting someones skull at once.
If he had some kind of temporary amp going on at the time it would make sense but no this utterly obliterates any excuse barry has against a non speedster giving him an entire episode amount of trouble.
then you didn't pay attention to earlier seasons, as he did a similar thing in early season 1, when he was WAY slower. And Madvocate even shows a clip from it in this video.
@@superbrainz2357 watch early season 1. Oh wait, turns out he could do it pretty much from the show's start.
He can beat anyone
@@tabalugadragon3555which scene/episode was this?
I find it amazing that each season of The Flash somehow found a unique way to be worse than the previous one by far.
truly impressive
Remenber, there is no end to human imagination for both great and compeltly retarded things. Afterall we nearly destroyed ourselves during the cold war because the US though it was a smart idea to detonate a nuke in the skie.
@@slevinchannel758911:10 just proving guys point
Just wait until season 7, it ends with barry and evil flash having a lightsaber duel on a rooftop (I am not joking)
@@samcraig8533 Yes but what about my comment?
I'm watching this video six months after and I realized something in episode 18 lose yourself. Barry said they never have to kill but at the end of season 4, Barry assisted Ralph into getting his body and mind back, the thinker died during that. And let's not forget how his wife killed him too when he consciousness was inside the chair. So the thinker died twice in one episode
"Id rather go to prison for life than to fabricate evidence even though I know I am innocent"
>gets out of prison because his friends fabricate evidence on his behalf an he thanks them for it
"I will do anything to stop the thinker, except kill him"
>end up stopping the thinker by erasing his consciousness, which effectively kills him
I feel like the writers realize how op the flash is so they put him under some ridiculous moral constraints so he doesnt just instanstly win, but at the same time they arent smart enough to cleverly get around their own rules so they just have them not matter in the end and just dont acknowledge it.
It is such flimsy and unbelievably bad writing. Its not just the bad set ups of action scenes which could be maybe excused, the core structure of the plot itself breaks your suspension of disbelief.
@tobiasbayer4866 the shows not inconsistent for nothing lol
As I like to say: team flash is morally good sometimes maybe
The way you can tell in each video he progressively get more angry at the show is just pure gold
That's the price he has to pay for using his brain while watching television 🤣
Ok
I love how this season hammers in the "We don't kill no matter what" thing but Barry's ultimate plan to stop the Thinker would, in his own words, erase his very existence.
Its a weird standard in media that death is okay as long as it isnt bloody despite some fates being worse without it
Remember kids! Gory deaths are morally wrong and should never be used.
Shredding someone on a molecular level and erasing them from reality or ripping their soul out is ok though.
@@superbrainz2357 Because it's never about morals, it's just about the stupid censorship system the US has
@@superbrainz2357 Remember that eternally locking them in a capsule where they're conscious but they can't move is better than shooting them with a gun!
@@goosegas2087 Fates worse than death are low key terrifying.
Shooting a character and having them bleed out isnt allowed yet having them be calcified through a heat vaporization attack and then blown into space only to drift for eternity while still alive is somehow fine though.
A character that regenrates will constantly have chunks of their body repeately mutilated or cut off.
Life force/soul is removed from the body and the victim lives on as a mindless hollow shell with no way of reversing the effects and essentially denied to move on to the in universe afterlife.
Wally in the comics actually did something like that to barry's murderer.
He zapped the guys speed essentially making him a statue and then placed him in the flash museum looking at barry's flash memorabilia for the rest of his life. That was pretty brutal.
All of these are honestly way more terrifying to me than being shot or stabbed ever could.
I keep getting annoyed at madvocate repeating "knock him out" or "cuff her" over and over. Then I remember "oh thats right!" It isn't Madvocate I should be annoyed at. It's the writers for creating such a long period he has to fill explaining their mistake.
Yeah i think that's the point. The amount of opportunities he had to just cuff him was represented by repeating cuff him lol
I love how consistently the writers are in degrading flash, a super hero that could literally vibrate within the speedforce so hard he can punch out superman, move so fast he can travel through time itself etc. Only to be taken down by opponents that only have supersonic screeches as a power.
***Guy with a gun***
@@cujak9581 that one too. Radioactive Guy with no gun too
Guy with fart gun
@@cujak9581guy with ice gun
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Everything in this show couldve been solved if Barry would've said something like. "I have to turn my speed perception on and off because life would be torture if I was always living my life in slow motion" that would make it 90 times easier to justify why Barry goes Braindead half the time in which he should actually be using his powers instead of standing there
or sometimes I turn it off because running places would feel like it was taking way too long
Or something as simple as “it’s a difficult skill to use and uses up way to much energy to be used constantly”
@@trafficcone7344 this has been parroted many times but what were the writers smoking lmao. Its like the writers for this show only only go through one draft and call it a day. These explanations wouldve literally only taken up one scene in s1 and wouldve excused Barry for the rest of the show
@@Pellzwell you see, in true flash spirit, the writers decided to write each episode as fast as they could, only giving themselves a short time limit to do so in.
This way, they could really connect with the character of the flash. /s
I see what u mean but if he knows he is going to fight a villan or be cocky and talk before he does anything wouldn’t it be smarter to have it on I understand when he’s out of the suit but it seems stupid to keep it off when uk your about to fight
I would genuinely love to see the writers reacting to this series of videos.
That's what i thought the whole time
Why do you want to see them crying for hours on end
@@puppergump4117because they deserve it smhh
@@puppergump4117 Schadenfreude.
Would any of them admit to writing this more than being on the credits?
During Flashtime Jessie went to Earth 3 to get Jay Garrick which implies she opened a breach, but earlier in the episode it was established a breach can’t open in flashtime.
Jesus Christ...
Omg, you're right
I swear I loved this show and I still do but I can never see it the same again after all Madvocates criticism videos and you guy’s comments I was honestly shocked how inconsistent this show is!
@@AdhvaithSane You and me both!
@@AdhvaithSane I liked season 1 even if i saw a lot of stupid things in it, but i ignored them because i'm used to shows on CW not being the best written and i'm also a comic reader and those are full of dumb character decisions for the sake of the plot, but i just couldn't ignore the same dumb decisions every season and opted out after finale of season 3.
These videos are always the same, but madvocate getting pissed about how stupid the show is will never get old 😭🤣😭🤣
fr😭😭
The comics also the same
Ong 😭
@Amanuelspeaksfacts the CW's Flash doesn't even have good CGI, so the bad writing doesn't really help much for the show's image. Some of the comics have cool art that'll at least intrigue someone. (Though, I'm not really a comic Flash fan, so I might be wrong about that).
@@Hoopsforlife11 Funny enough, some of these villain comic interpretations have at least hidden details or stuff to excuse on what's happening(Captain Cold having The Cold Field, a weapon that stops motion & completely freezes all of your Protons & Neutrons and is stated to slow anyone who isn't a top tier speedster to a crawl) .The show doesn't though and just make him either just...stand there and stare, or somehow not react to the most basic hand to hand combat gesture, run *past* the main antagonist on purpose..etc.
The Thinker being the smartest man in the world seems totally ridiculous at first glance…
BUT, remember the world Thinker is in. It’s easy to see why Devoe would assume that he’s smarter than everyone else. He can react and think faster than the resident speedster and all of his posse combined.
It’s easy to be the big fish in a small pond when the pond is about as deep as a Petri dish.
Except he shouldn't be an issue for a dude that runs faster than light.
@@jackunknown1692 correct. The whole show is predicated on Barry Allen being unbelievably incompetent at leveraging his powers. Devoe shouldn’t be able to do anything to react to Barry’s supersonic (and even superluminal) speed at all.
But Barry keeps sitting there doing nothing instead of:
Throwing literally anything at Devoe
Just smacking him with a stick
Injecting him with tranquilizers
Disassembling his power chair at light speed
Removing Devoe’s toupee
Slapping power cuffs on Devoe
Asking for backup from the demigod next door that is Kara Zor El.
Relocating Devoe’s targets to an alternate reality.
Dropping EMP devices in Devoe’s base when the smug moron opens a portal in front of Barry.
My comment was highlighting how dumb everyone in the setting is. In the world of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. Except Devoe, our “one eyed man,” has extreme stigmatism in this analogy.
Now I know why the thinker is so intelligent.. They had to use a brain enhancer tech to think that they need to run facial recognition technology...
Like how dumb are those people... Even a monkey would learn after being slapped twice..... Use flash time apprehend them..
I really want to see a villain who would trick the flash into using his powers just to outsmart him by getting caught and releasing all the villains that he had previously caught.. And then starts to keep speed bombs everywhere.. Everytime flash touches the bombs in the city to disarm them the bombs would latch onto him and then would blast if he slows down or gets into the vicinity of another bomb.. It would create a scenario where flash is being toyed around by the villain while the villain starts to target his family and he has to choose between the city and his family..
Taking 4-5 hostages everytime with speed bombs that will explode everytime they're in contact with the speed force or moved faster than a nano second...
It can span 1 season.. With this storyline... But the writer is just crap at this point
@@Xenobears missed opportunity for "He just stood there...frozen..."
@@Xenobearsi don't understand if you are serius or didn't pay attention, the thinker doesn't need to react to barry, he literally knows every single move he is gonna do so he can just predict it, while flash can't predict his dodging.
Funny how Barry thought it was a good idea to bring Izzy Bowen to DeVoe knowing that was exactly what DeVoe wanted 💀💀
Yeah and he doesn’t need Izzy to beat devoe 💀💀
I love how the whole routine of "we don't kill..." and "we don't have to kill anyone..." creates a massive rift to previous seasons and actions from these characters and it could be solved with writing, and not even clever writing at that.
All you're missing is a god damn "...anymore." at the end and give them a singular moment of guilt and then never bring it up again. It's a bit patchy and it doesn't solve all the other problems with the show, but it's issues like these that shouldn't even arise in the first place lmao
The fact that these videos are growing longer at every instance really shows us a lot about the evolution of the writing in this show
Evolution implies it got better, in Darwinism the strong survive while the weak are weeded out, this is more like de-evolution.
Yeah, the farther they get - the more mistakes they make.
@@Evil_Arthaslife
Evolution is a strong word to say
@@galacticfire5315evolution can be bad too
I feel like this isn't said enough, but the editing is top tier. Must have taken forever to put a 3 hour video together. Great job.
This! I kept thinking about it throughout the video!
Kind of amazing how writers seem to struggle with the concept of Object Permanence. It's like all it takes for a bad guy to escape is to go off screen and Barry can't catch up.
Really ironic that a character is literally named "Peek-A-Boo"
If I ever write my stories, I´ll remember to see this show to boost my confidence.
This Series Must Continue, NO MATTER WHAT, Please Madvocate, CONTINUE THIS SERIES!
I feel bad for him because he has to torture himself with watching this show but on the other hand this series is just too damn good
@@ibuprofencompactorit’s worth it. 148k subs with less than 25 videos is impressive in 2023
No no this is it. This is too much, even for him. This has gone too far and was insufferably! It actually torment! So much braincells have died these last 3 hours!
Remember, he has a deadline. April 25th 2024.
If he keeps going through this show, its stupidity will kill him.
if flash had half the iq of quicksilver in this series it woulnt even have 2 seasons
According to thawne the original timeline Barry is extremely smart
What gets me isnt that they underpower barry, it's that they repeatedly show off the full extent of his powers only to immediately backtrack and weaken him. It would be one thing if he was consistently slower in season 4 than in his other appearances, i could accept that as being a retcon maybe. But when you go from him using superspeed in superspeed to not being able to dodge human hands is laughable.
Reminds me of Pikachu from the end of the Sinnoh region 1v1 with a Latios, then in the first episode of Black and White lose to a lvl 6 Snivy.
@@willow1601 I agree that that doesn't make sense, but at least Pikachu used the moves it had against snivy. The equivalent would be giving Pikachu an automatic win button that it refuses to press. The flash can literally stop time at will, and yet he refuses to move at all when people's lives are on the line. It makes him feel more like a villain than a hero.
@@briandiomede7354 I think the two situations are more similar than you remember. Pikachu actually doesn't use anything but iron tail against snivy. The Flash doesn't use any of the good tools he has at his disposal. However, in the pikachu situation they at least try to say it was because Zekrom was weakening him. The Flash has no excuse except maybe he fears the bad luck or something(although that is never stated).
On top of everything you've listed yourself the one thing I've NEVER been able to wrap my head around is how the HELL Devoe somehow figured out exactly what powers each meta would get?? Like in what world does making sure bumbass #3 sits on the 7th seat on the left give him shrinking powers
It would have been better if they said that he considered any powers they could have gotten and had made plans surrounding every possible power they could have gotten.
They made the man a Gary Sue to progress the plot, it makes no fucking sense
@@war_hawkan1727 No. They just made everyone an idiot.
I mean, yeah? They also made the man omnipotent apparently
@@war_hawkan1727 Except he was still an idiot. He is both op and moronic.
I really hope you at least do one more season. I love watching you tear this show up, it deserves it. So many dumb things, I could write a whole different script for this video.
Watching this video made me think about an episode from "Teen Titans Go" where Robin finally got superpowers for the first time. The powers Robin was giving was equivalent to Superman (Super Strength, Speed, Heat Wave Vision, ETC). The best part about this is that it took Robin a whole 10 seconds to end crime all over the city (I say city because my brain is a bit fuzzy if he'd ended crime all over the world). With that accomplishment, the rest of team decided to disband cause Robin has pretty much had it all figure out and no longer was needed. Time went by and Robin was pretty much isolated for the rest of his life with just a job, no friends or a family of his own as he question if the powers he was giving was a curse.
Moral of the story is... *Teen Titans Go Is Better Than CW Flash.*
That’s peak superhero fiction
He ended every problem in the entire world
teens titans go is horrible but better than the Flash
Wow
@@thabangpatiko9869teen titans go isnt horrible and never was. You guys only hate it bc it shares its namesake with the original teen titans show which in and of itself wasn’t even that good of a show in the first place. Massively overrated
@@Leg1503all except his own.
Iris being a journalist means she'd know laws about recording in her state, and that it's a felony to record without the other party's consent in missouri...but as a journalist, recording the conversation would absolutely occur to her and be her instinct. In this day and age, we record almost all our interviews, even if just to get a transcript for easier writing. Would have been interesting to have her like, have conflict between the law and her professional ethics and her desperation to save Barry. For all the journalist characters in superhero media, you'd think they'd make more use of the genuinely interesting ethical dilemmas inherent to the profession
That’s a pretty good idea ngl
You're allowed to record people in a public place. You're just not allowed to record phone calls. Think of all the tik tok videos of random people
Pretty sure the show doesn't take place in Missouri
This made me realize something, Berry 100% had time to move devoes body to a lake or vat of acid and thus make it nearly impossible to convict him for murder, and it wouldn't conflict with any of his morals since he's literally innocent
That whole plot was dumb. He did nothing wrong and 10,000 ways to get out of it, but for absolutely no reason he decides to just let it happen. Was he really willing to just spend the rest of his life in prison? I call bull
@@jonathantadlock-stein2023nihilistic flash is actually super frustrating lol. He really would have just let everyone in the future he could have saved rot while he rots in jail. Why?
He would be tampering with evidence at a crime scene. And that's a criminal offense. But there would be plenty of other ways to avoid the problem. And sometimes breaking the law is ethical. For instance, he was breaking and entering in the first place. The only reason going to jail makes sense would be that he thought he could easily challenge the charges in court. And that, in the long run, would be the better strategy. Doing that might be wiser than digging himself in deeper by tampering with evidence. But they didn't do a great job of explaining that was the case. And just standing there was beyond stupid. Just leave and deal with situation in court if the police actually bring charges against you. Why do their job for them and offer them absolute proof of Barry being there. The other evidence could be more easily challenged.
@@TerryProtheroDude he's the fucking Flash lol. They wouldn't have caught him if he tampered with the evidence. This is the stupidest justification for bad writing.
@@bananamerchant6387 in fairness, the not tampering with evidence would probably be more of a moral thing than a required thing.
I wanna know what team star labs is being paid from because it’s not like anybody has a job except iris and joe. Plus, they should be bankrupt now after the particle accelerator explosion. Like wtf Cisco Barry and Kate aren’t getting paid to do hero work, so how are they surviving? Unemployment checks?
I hate when teleportation or portal-opening is given a specific and obvious sound effect, yet no one seems to notice when they open nearby.
At that point it would be better if it used the Blood 2 ding.
I did not expect this series to resume, but this is a pleasant surprise. 3 hour runtime brings a smile to my face too
Yes it does brother🙌🏾
Lol fr
I’m confused why when Ralph got wrinkled he didn’t just grow back to regular size using his stretch abilities
Cisco could have used the transmog device to just turn himself into someone else while breacher was hunting him
Yeah, that's true, he only said "no powers"
@@cosmo_7 the transmog device isn't a power though, it's tech. Breacher would probably still be pissed about it anyway, but he'd have to figure out that it's Cisco under there first
This show desperately wanted to be the new Smallville. It wanted flavor-of-the-week mutants with interesting powers and it wanted seasonal arc villains too. The issue is that Clark Kent didn't start out with his skin being resistant to everything. He didn't start out at his full strength, AND he himself had to constantly learn his growing strength. He had a crippling weakness, Kryptonite, which was also the thing that tended to CREATE those villains, so it came up a lot and would turn the tides in encounters he would've otherwise handled with ease. He was also presented with a lot of circumventions to his incredible resilience, especially early on.
He generally either fought villains who were powered up enough to be a threat or that countered his abilities in one or more ways, and during the later parts of the series, it wasn't afraid to show him resolve minor threats easily since he was getting into being a proper vigilante by that point. But before he started using costumes, he was resolving local threats which prevented him from publicly displaying his powers against the threats which would come from seemingly nowhere, which put a lot of constraints on what he could do.
Although in hindsight, I'm sure the show has a fair few "Clark can generally move and think at super speed so why isn't he dodging a normal-speed super-punch", but the show doesn't present him as having the same kind of automatic "I enter slow-mo whenever a threat generally presents itself and I can stay like that for an eternity" like Flash does, so he's very capable of being both surprised and overwhelmed.
Clark's speed is also a fair bit slower through most of the show, and he constantly has to deal with threats far outside the reach of a single town or city, often times being located both in the middle of nowhere or very far away, so often times the issue is actually finding the villain and 'getting there in time' rather than failing to use his abilities like Flash does. With the kind of threats Flash faces, he needs to be dealing with threats on the scale of at least an entire U.S. state if they ever want "We don't know where X is" and "Can I get there in time" circumstances to be plausible challenges, but the show refuses to ever shoot in locations that aren't in the city it's set in.
And Clark has an actual weakness
@@BigZ-19 The way it was used wasn't exactly that great, considering how many episodes contained scenes where Clark was out of order thanks to Kryptonite-pieces around or people with powers gained by Kryptonite.
But yes, at least it was a good explanation. As far as i remember he used his powers consistantly when he was able to. Just having someone forget what he could do or react slower than he should be able to is way worse.
If the Flash-writers would do a Captain America-movie, they would let him save the day by throwing his shield - but only after at least 20 situations where the shield would have been usefull if he hadn't forgotten to use it (while having it on his back).
I love how you just started talking about Smallville instead.
@@dabartos4713 Yeah that was... literally the thesis statement? It wanted to be like Smallville and it failed for the reasons that are the subject of the comment.
32:19 i genuinely thinking that guy is just improving the script on his own because barry literally just repeating his denial
"You could have saved him and caught her"
"...to help the person in danger first"
Barry translation " I could saved him."
Barry just repeating that guy point which means it might be that guy going off script.
I am convinced the writers think that real fights just work on an initiative count. Everyone gets their turn to make a single attack that randomly works or doesn't work on the roll of a die. This is why Flash's speed is so underutilized, because he already made an attack action or the dash action to run from Star Labs to the villain. This is the only explanation that makes sense to me
his speed stat works like it does in pokemon and he always wastes his turn advantage talking
@@Pihsrosneclol
God, I can see it now. It doesn’t even matter what powers you’d get. If anyone who liked this video was on team flash, the rest of the team would probably hate you for being “too reckless” or “aggressive”, and the director would include a bunch of music stings and camera pans to hint you’re actually evil or something
Pffffftttttttt
Does anyone remember in season 1, Wells lists Ralph Dibney as someone who he hurt and was injured/killed by the particle accelerator. Now in this he is perfectly fine and they never mention it or even excuse it as a side effect of flashpoint
Yeah I noticed that too
I like to think that thawne didn’t give two shits about the people he hurt he only knew Ralph Dibney’s name was because he knew who he was from the fact that he’s a time traveler. He further knew that the electric guy didn’t have the information to verify that he was correct.
They do tho, on season 5 when reverse flash faces team flash he says: "Ralph Dibny, you should be death" or something like that i don't remember
@@cristianadpr8779 yeah but that doesn’t explain it
@@jermymorre5543 that’s possible
Also, since the cork sphere is now destroyed, shouldn’t the speed force now be raining hell on earth and demanding for Barry to go back into the speed force?
I've realised the brilliance of the series, all the inconsistent character writing, abilities and stakes can all be explained by off-screen speedsters from different time periods all messing with time, creating ripples that change the world from second to second of actual screentime.
Therefore what we are actually seeing is a montage of different timelines, each with different character personalities, abilities and in-world logic strung together like frames in an animation. It truly is amazing how the writers were able to masterfully implement such a concept in their writing.
That is a brilliant theory.
We're gonna need all the seasons covered though, you know this 😌
"Hey, remember when Barry wasn't dumb?" "Yeah me neither"
Well, maybe before he got his brian fried by that lighting bolt.
In the comics maybe.
He's smart without his powers. Season 1 Episode 1 showed Barry being a great CSI. Season 4 Episode 13 showed Barry being smart enough to create a powder and electric water to melt through metal. But as soon as Barry gets his powers back he's stupid.
They should've never invented the concept of "meta power dampening" - if they needed it absolutely NEEDED it, they shouldve done something that just "weakens" their powers, not just 100% shuts them off instantly by just wearing a bracelet. It makes most metas non threats even without super speed.
And also
HOW DO THEY *EVEN WORK?!*
@@Ramsey276one Yeah, they're the only thing in the show that doesn't get a BS sci-fi answer.
We do get a bit of an explanation as to how the cells in the pipeline work, but nothing about the meta cuffs.
Or just make The technology not portable, like a big jail cell
@@nicholassgobero True.
There is something special bout hearing theres no where to run followed by the smash music
2:32:35 forgot to include the clip of her literally shooting Dr Light in the head not knowing if her helmet was bulletproof
😂😂
Yea, that was bs
"No killing" as she goes for a headshot
I kept hoping that scene would pop up. Iris is more than ready to kill people but acts like she isn't
I can’t imagine how painful the existence of these characters must be. To have onset dementia, have a brain made up of caterpillar hair, and be inconsistent in every aspect of existence because the writers decided to abandon the characters to a fate worse than death. Imagine having an insurmountable obstacle on an hourly basis only to overcome it the next day as if it were nothing only to forget how you did it then repeat. Poor team flash
He has ADHD
1:02:41 couldn’t Cisco like open a breach under Trickster and like put him at the precinct or something
Couldn’t he do that to anyone should Barry be preoccupied
Yes
I seriously hope that Madvocate does ALL of the seasons. I know that the show is horrible and gets worse but these are some of the best videos I’ve ever watched. At the very least I’d want a fifth season review as that’s the season that made me go from thinking the show was meh to thinking it was utter garbage.
I just want to see his reaction to the absolute dogshit finale.
These videos are how I get the important parts without having to suffer through all the filler.
I agree. I really enjoy how he destroys this shows god awful writing. I have no clue how this show has 9 seasons, I guess people just have money to waste. I also don't care if this takes him forever to do, I'll wait years. If need be.
Idk he would if he actually does I would be surprised no joke
@@Group-935 I'll also sit and wait for years. Cosidering that i'm subbed to a RUclipsr named.......Well I'll just call him Pyrotecnicol, he was working on a video for almost a year and he just released it a few days ago and it's pretty good. It's also the 2nd longest video on his channel so i'm gonna have a lot of content to watch.
you should definitely add in another counter for things like panic button and the amount of times barry makes a situation worse by being there.
I feel that the argument ‘if only barry didn’t let himself get caught’ falls flat on its face since he would just talk like a moron and let the villain beat his ass then escape.
Yep, but hey, in a pwrfect world...
At this point I feel like he'd manage to get rolled by a random cop.
The CW flash could be described as an "artificially builded conflict" series of events.
The problem is not the fact that Barry is overpowered as f, but the plot needs him to be DUMB.
Feel bad for Grant he was such a nice fit for the Flash character
In my opinion, all of the actors did relatively decent job and if we're considering the material involved, I think they knocked it out of the park.
@@lakshaykochhar6799Basically Cw has S tier casting but F tier writing.
@@Azathoth343literally
i think all the actors were really good, except for the first few episodes, and danielle panabaker (killer frost) trying to be evil
they were just let down by horrendous writing
@@Azathoth343ok
1:56:32 oof one hell of a plot hole lol
somehing i also would like to point out is that the timers are quite generous when barry is running to something because time would be going by slower to show him running
Cmon lets all be honest here. If Barry never got arrested he still would stop to talk to the villains and get beaten.
Ong he forgot that😂
It occurs to me a good chunk of these moments where Barry should have reacted fast enough to easily stop the bad guy could have been explained if they'd just said something like "he needs to actively concentrate to use his powers/it takes tunnel vision focus to move at super speed."
Technically every single atom in Barry can work at speed force which includes him thinking or “concentrating”
Except it’s clearly shown that’s not how it works
@Annam Prasanth I think in the comic where it is shown he can think at super speed, he ends up thinking too much and gets shot(???) and he now chooses to actively not think at superspeed. Still shouldn't be getting shot or anything though.
Although he casually plays chess at super speed with superman in injustice (I think) so that's probably bunk.
@@jacklansdale77 actually, comics is wildly inconsistent with Flash as well. Coz quite frankly he is way overpowered. So, he can think at superspeed only coz of that he is able to react and move faster than speed of light.
Plasticman is like that one noob in a lobby full of noobs that think they're pro players. They do the same dumb stuff as he does, maybe even dumber, but they blame him for every mistake.
And he actually takes the blame with dignity, because he's genuinely convinced that since they're more experienced, they're right about pointing all the mistakes towards him.
Compartment based on a true story btw.
That’s not Plastic Man, that’s Elongated Man
@@KingNerdius same thing, you know who I'm talking about
@@noxineamv2158Aren't they two different characters.
its like the writers wipe their memory every 2 eps, this is such a hard video to watch but so entertaining, thanks Madvocate for your work because lord it must be mind-numbing creating these videos
More like every 2 paragraphs, lol.
Madvocate constantly including as many clips from actually good media seems like his coping mechanism
Also an act of mercy on us viewers
It's what mauler does
the homecoming clips saving our brains fr 🙏
I loved him using clips from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D
My deepest condolences to the families of the people who died of alcohol poisoning during this video.
1:56:02 - He just called Harrison Wells "Jesse" 😂
47:47 For a moment, I thought that I accidentaly pressed the "back 10 seconds" on my phone and was watching the same gag again.
same
The amount of times the good guys forget that they've killed people before is shocking. Was season 4 made by different people or something? Cuz with the wildly different stance on killing the bad guys, it seems like it.
Even if a different set of people did create it one would think that these "new" people would take a look at the old stuff, but oh well.
Even if it was different writers than seasons 1-3 there were times in season 4 where the good guys straight up did attempted murder (and actual murder with the defeat of devoe cuz like he was straight up erased from existance or smth) so like maybe they were just constantly switching writers through out season 4
Ye sometimes when they say they didn't kill People ,my brain is like then what happen to sand dude☠️
Same issue with the walking dead honestly.
The characters flipped flopped from gladly stabbing a villains guts out and acknowledging rightful killing as good than a few episodes later try and push the idea that killing under any circumsatnce is absurd and pacifism is the only way forward.
Negan became a better character going forward but the way they bent over backwards to have the characters keep him alive was painful to watch.
@@superbrainz2357 this, also maggie magically being okay with Negan made absolutely zero sense.
you know how they said argus had a way to check for transmogrification detection, all they had to do was have a throw away line saying it wouldn't work and the only option is ralph
About the scene where Iris dies, how the hell was she fast enough to turn around AND notice the lightning before it hit her?
They were hoping you didn’t notice
This was the Season that had broken me. I was able to overlook the many problems of the first 3 Seasons (and there were MANY) but I was able to just kinda mindlessly enjoy things. But this Season, Season 4? It was so ungodly, aggressively terrible and not just lacking common sense but actively trying to be anti-intelligent at every single turn that it was all I could do to see it to the end. I really hope Madvocate makes more videos on the other Seasons though. I'd love to see how godawful they continued to get after this one and him shred them.
It was s5 for me. I didn’t know what “good writing” was back then, so I was distracted by the lighter tone (compared to s3) and s4 finally not having a speedster main villain (which I now realize was a bad thing).
They kept standing and staring at the main villain of s5. Nobody, at any point, super or otherwise, tried long-ranged attacks against the killer. It made me scream at my screen at one point.
I hope this video does well, so i can see if there’s any more plotholes i missed in s5.
I'm reminded of the phrase "the characters can only be as intelligent as the writers." It's really difficult to write even normally smart characters, having the half-wits at CW attempt to write someone with metahuman levels of intelligence is literally impossible.
@@xipheonj its definitely hard, but not impossible. you can still have OP characters lose you just have to think about it. quicksilver losing to apocalypse made sense in x men because it was something he couldnt react to, and was able to nullify his speed.
@@Shaggy87781 you missed my point. What's impossible is for the lowest tier writers that work for the CW being able to write a character who is intelligent. They aren't smart enough.
They were unable to make Davoe seem even the slightest bit intelligent because they aren't. It's why everything he did was so incredibly stupid that even most normal people could come up with better plans.
If Davoe was written by a competent/intelligent writer then he could've beaten Flash in a realistic way. Instead the writers have to make Team Flash so dumb that seeing eat crayons wouldn't be a surprise just so Davoe's plans that the writers came up with could work.