I don't understand why they don't just put all the characters in college/uni and make them in their 20's, then all their antics and scandals can at least be..... legal
More shows need to be set in college in my opinion 1) actually getting away with older actors bc the characters are adults 2) things are actually legal and sex scenes aren’t as weird bc they aren’t underaged 3)it still has the nice school feel just older 4)you can still pertain to teen audiences but also reach and older audience too bc the characters are closer to their age 5)way more freedoms 6)still relatable bc its still school 7) you could also focus on the characters interests more bc there would be school majors and job opportunities 8) people wouldn’t be sexualizing underage characters
@@meeieio I think the target audience is middle and high schoolers and I just don't think those kids find college as interesting. Theres not as much in the collective mind of what college "looks like", like there is with high school. Middle schoolers romanticize high school a million times more than high schoolers romanticize college
the way they tried to sell alice cooper as being undercover for the fbi to investigate the cult but never noticed that her own ex-husband was a serial killer is so funny to me
I'll never understand how predators can be so obvious and vocal with their inappropriate and dangerous attraction to teenagers and not end up getting caught by law inforcement
@@luh.4968 Honestly? Because as a society people collectively decided that the onus will always be on the victim to protect themself because predators gonna predate. People always say what they'd do if they ever "saw that" in real life but they see the shit every day, it just doesn't personally affect them. Then when it does they're the first assface on the news saying "There were no signs, [the predator] seemed so normal".
the fact that an entire season was based off of cole sprouse deciding he didnt want to get cold at 4am one morning and just refusing to do the job hes paid for is actually the funniest shit ive heard all week.
Jughead was suposed to be în that scene în the Woods with betty veronica and archie. The actor ( cole) didnt want to be naked în the forest at 4 am for that scene so they filmed it without him. So they made the whole season about how betty archi and veronica might have killed jughead. They did that based on that scene where Cole didnt want to be in :)))
I mean, any other job you'd be fired but he is/was a huge draw for the show so they obviously wouldn't. Surprised he didn't refuse the musical episodes tbh.
@@codyrm86well, they do have contracts that lock them in for multiply seasons(and the notoriety of this show could be helpful for their careers, so that could be another reason), but I see what you mean.
@@codyrm86 It's typical for contracts to be for six seasons so no...not before season 6 wraps could they just quit unless they'd like to be sued by the network for breach of contract.
plot twists should be good enough to make you want to reread/ rewatch it to see if you could look back on the clues and foreshadowing. half the fun is trying to figure it out while you’re consuming it and going back knowing the twist.
Yeah, because then you start going back to find the crumbs that were already there. Then you go OOOOH NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE. I mean sure, twists we didn't see coming can be done well, but I feel like a lot of writers misinterpret it as "the audience can never know".
Watching Riverdale feels like when you fell on the trampoline and couldn't get up because the other kids wouldn't stop jumping and give you a chance to regain your equilibrium.
Weirdos make great superheroes. I love weirdos. The Hulk, early nerdy Spider-Man, Nightcrawler,etc. Riverdale isn’t weird. It’s like the kid who wanted to be cool from school who didn’t grow up and got a job for free for writing and pushed his fantasies as stories.
In case you haven’t noticed, this show is weird. It’s a weirdo. It doesn’t fit in. And it doesn’t want to fit in. Have you ever seen this show have a cohesive plot? That’s weird. But now we have a video explaining the weirdness.
There's a thing that Betty does so often that I had to name it: the Bettyrogation. This is when Betty goes to visit someone she suspects to be a murderer, often trespassing, always alone, to harangue the suspect with accusations of murder. This alerts the suspect to danger, and since they're alone, even if the suspect were to confess it would accomplish nothing. Somehow Betty never gets murdered.
i totally, totally feel you abt that whole hard boiled, 3 pack a day, coffee stained, intense city detective thing her character does it’s so weird. if my 17 year old niece came to me with that i would just laugh in her face…even if i _was_ an organ harvesting cult leader abt to take off in a rocket ship like a clearance rack Evil Knievel. I wouldn’t take her seriously, she’s a kid. but i was thinking…what abt _Betterogation_ instead?
I always loved how Archie tried to sympathize with homeless Jughead because of his struggles of having to choose between being a football star or musician heartthrob
It was actually so sweet to see the actor who plays Hermione sincerely trying to help a stranger, especially through something like Cameo, which I have always viewed as something pretty shallow actors use as a side hustle. It was pretty touching, which was the last emotion I expected to feel while watching a fucking * Riverdale * video essay.
When I read this comment I hadn't gotten to that part yet and I had also forgotten there's a character called Hermione in the series so I was sitting here like: "Bro got Emma Watson in his video, wutwhy? @_@"
I met her on a fanexpo back in 2019 (I was a hardcore fan before shit hit the fan, also I was 13-14 LMAO) and she was SOOO lovely. Like she listened to me, was so patient when I struggled with English, and was just over all amazing! I honestly felt so bad cause it was her, Natalie Bolt (Cheryl’s mom, who is also incredible) and Madeline, and everyone was lining up to Madeline and Marisol and Natalie were just sitting there 😭🤚🏼
the fact that cole literally refused to take part in a scene is a testament to just how little they care, like what are ya gonna do, fire me? please do 😐
“I dropped out in the 4th grade, to run drugs, to support my nana” Archie: “that means you don’t know the triumphs and defeats, the epic highs and lows of high school football” broooooo that’s probably the funniest line in the show. Like I know it hurt him to say them lines 😂 💀
The fact that the “there is no time travel” line at 2:04:11 aged so poorly by the time I’m watching this video is making me laugh uncontrollably because I swear Roberto saw this video and said “I can fix that!”
in American teen dramas there seems to always be a main male character who's biggest life choice is music vs sport, and that's how you know you're setting yourself up for a rough time
The hypersexualization of underage characters is very scary. I felt sick after you explained the sexualization of Archie’s character. With how many horror stories come from Hollyweird all the time, it makes me very uneasy. The idea of an old director using these young actors with dreams of a career to fulfill his own fantasy is infuriating.
It also makes everything so unrealistic. Especially considering jughead actually being aromantic/asexual... while the entire show is overly romanticised and oversexualised.
Its actually so disgusting and incredibly creepy. Like- I'm 16 not 25. Just set it in college than it taking place in high school. What is Hollywood's obsession with high school.
@@princessmanitari4993 I'd love that kind of representation. Being on the ace spectrum myself it would have been nice to see it but oh well they just couldnt do that I guess.
I think the worst thing about Archie being sexualized so much is that KJ Apa was the only one who was actually a teenager when he started filming. He was 19, which is still very young, especially for someone whose entire role is to walk around shirtless and kiss older women.
I love you for this, this, exactly. People discount the immaturity of older teenagers CONSTANTLY, and it completely takes away from how immature and impressionable even they are. The switch of maturity doesn't flip when you hit 17,18,19,20 it takes time and life experience to develop and im very sad that this was part of HIS first moments of adult life experience!
@@sigh824 Betty and Archie are actually secretly dating behind Veronica and jughead's back, Betty is a secret vampire and Veronica is actually a robot who came there to collect information on Riverdale but broke through the code
I wonder what the writers' room for Riverdale looks like. I have a few ideas: - Roberto is basically a tyrannical dictator who throws a tantrum whenever someone suggests that making Archie an erotic cheesemaker is not a good idea. - The writer's room is a barren wasteland because they're all at home, binging other shows, and Roberto is left the sole writer. - The writer's room is actually where all the discarded pages of manuscript go from other shows, and the writers just pick five pages and mash them together. - Roberto is a self learning AI experiment gone horribly wrong. - Everyone is smoking pot and/or crack.
Or maybe there is no writers' room and the entirety of Riverdale was based off Roberto's dream journal, because at this point that the only thing that would explain that mess of a plot for me tbh
I've done a lot of writing while smoking pot, and my writing *improves* because I'm not as hung up second-guessing myself, so I don't think it's that one. xD
If it weren't for Riverdale my bf and I wouldn't have our favourite joke of responding to everything with "He just doesn't understand the Epic highs and lows of High School Football." It really works in all situations.
when they announced jughead's 'death' I thought it was one of 2 possibilities: 1. shock value 2. cole sprouse had finally acted on his disdain for the writing and didn't want to be in the show anymore.
The surreal thing about the "I'm a weirdo" is Cole Sprouse genuinely trying to deliver it with a straight face, in a way that is as close to natural as it is possible for such a line, as if good acting could save it?
tbh, he almost pulled it off. it’s still dumb BUT for me it looked like the character knew that he sounded ridiculous and kind of intended for it to happen as to be less insecure in front of the other. anyhow. he tried, pure soul
my favorite part of that clip is watching him struggle so hard to keep serious and deliver this somehow, it’s almost inspiring lol of course he can’t do it because no one can, but watching him try is kind of amazing
Maybe Roberto, like the rest of us, should have just written his kinky fanfic and posted it on AO3 instead, and tagged it appropriately. Would have saved a lot of time and money.
@@katevgrady I mean I got confused by the "like us" part cause I'm pretty sure OPs fanfic isn't published but if thex meant it like you're saying then I agree.
Yessss…these writers and creators need to stop making “teen shows with adult scenarios” (and casting adults to play teens). It’s misleading, confusing, and uncomfortable.
Yes! and even if having adults it’s the best option for various reasons (working hours, protect children, etc.) DON’T put them in all of this hyper sexual situations, especially the teacher-student trope it’s disgusting
That's why I liked The Order as much as it's not like, an amazing show, it's so much easier and fun to watch because it's set at a college but otherwise it's like a classic CW type show. Unfortunately it got cancelled by Netflix after 2 seasons though. Just make them college students if you want them to have fun sexy times and party a lot!
@Booper Dooper She's driven out of town because we're talking about a she. When the teacher is a he, it's often made into a "love" story because older men preying on girls and younger women has always been normalized as even the first example you thought of shows.
I honestly feel bad for Archie’s actor, he didnt sign up for a porno and it must be incredibly uncomfortable to keep going. The whole cast in general, honestly.
I would not be surprised if he came out with a story on sexual harassment in the workplace by a director. Like the speakers at the “me too” movement spoke of. Poor guy is being objectified the whole time.
you know you've succeeded as a youtuber when the audience of one of your several hour long videos is largely made up of those who haven't even watched the tv show it's actually about and the retention rate is still insane. very well done space 😭
The part about young people liking riverdale only because of ship culture really hits home for me since I had such a encounter a couple of years back, I once told a friend of mine that I knew of riverdale and later when I told them I was Bi they almost immediately sent me two pictures of (I think jughead and Archie) and asked me who I thought was “hotter” like they never asked me anything about what I thought OF the show just who I found more attractive, which I feel says a lot about the culture around the show.
Obsessive shippers are just sad people. They don't care about good story, characters, acting, writing or anything but whether 2 people in a film, book, show or game will fuck.
@@violetlavi2207 How about this: the _obsessive_ shippers are the malignant tumor. I understand that some people want to see characters get together, but a few of them take it way too far by caring more about their beloved ship than anything else. I find their insistence that two straight men who are friends secretly want nothing more than to make sweet passionate love to one other particularly annoying.
Took everything his teachers told him and said "What if I didn't do that, in fact, what if I did the exact opposite?" and now we're stuck with the consequences
@@myllenaeloi4248 And he keeps getting new properties to ruin. Roberto is making the reboot for True Blood and Pretty Little Liars. I already thought PLL was garbage(Never seen True Blood), but those shows are doomed. To quote Wednesday Addams,"Be afraid, be very afraid."
Ok but can we talk about how disturbing it is that a grown man is literally writing out his sex fantasies through underage teenage characters. Red flags all around...that dude's got issues, to say the least.
@@heinoustentacles5719 This. I doubt the dude wants to sexualize underage teens anymore than he really cares about long-lost relatives, multiple criminal organizations, cults, incest, or having a serial killer alter ego. He's just throwing eDgY ideas at the wall and seeing what sticks.
I live in the UK and simply finding out that Riverdale is a CW show rather than a Netflix "Original" (as it was marketed over here, believe it or not) has made so much click into place.
@@miranda13c lol its not that they eat it up they think it's cringy as well. i don't know how to explain it but riverdale is one of those shows where it's so cringy that you got to watch it. It's like a cringe that you can somewhat laugh to. Basically if you look at riverdale as a comedy and not the "serious teen drama" it's trying to make it self out to be. Than it's actually decent.
Actually the worst lines ever uttered in Riverdale are "If you haven't noticed, I'm a weirdo. You ever see me with out this stupid hat. I don't fit in and I don't want to fit in"
My favorite thing about the first season is that Archie thought he was in highschool musical and trying desperately to have a Troy storyline while the actual storyline kept to the murder mystery. I wish they had kept Archie trying to be a Disney channel movie while Regan era horror unfolds around him. It's really funny.
This comment destroyed me lmao. Honestly the WHOLE show should’ve been the Archie cast continuing to be their iconic archetypes while the plot descended into horror and madness
"The Blossoms and The Coopers are related by blood which makes Jason and Polly's relationship fully incestuous." *"Meanwhile, does Archie have what it takes to get into the fancy music school???"*
100%! It was so confusing, like why does the story not center around him. Betty and Jughead be investigating the murder, hes off playing Troy, Veronica off playing mafia games. Just didn't get how they all rarely hung out together too as normal teenagers 🤔
@@neilg5579 from my understanding a bunch of pre-teens making rpf fanfic of their favorite boy bands or sometimes fanfic of creepy pasta characters, I think the operative part for dig in this video is pre-teens writing self insert romance fics
Hal Cooper's eyes were blue until about 2-3 episodes before his reveal as the black hood. It's not a theory that the writers didn't know who the killer was, it's undeniably 100% true.
That makes sense. Pop was like "The grim reaper had come to riverdale" or whatever. Then it's just fucking Hal. I loved this show and didn't question a lot of these flaws but that even got me.
I always wondered about his eyes...didn't seem to match the black hood, or if it did, why didn't Archie notice?. Also, didn't Hermione offer a mil reward for the capture of the black hood? So shouldn't Betty have received that?
It isn't just that, the dinner shooting scene had a lot of things changed in the beginning of season 2 just for the story to continue on from the last episode of season 1.
I'll never forget seeing a video of Madelaine Petsch auditioning for The Prom, and almost all the comments were people amazed that she could actually sing and act. I hate that this show has given these actors the reputation that they're untalented.
I actually admire Cole Sprouse. He had to give that entire "I'm a weirdo" speech without laughing,he said it with a dead serious face in a dead serious tone. I would've lost it immediately,I can't even quote it cause I feel myself about to wheeze and laugh. That's a good actor right there.
The entire plot of season 4 happened specifically because Cole just refused to shoot the scene where everyone was naked and throwing their clothes into the fire. He was just an absolute Chad who said 'what are you gonna do, fire me? It's cold as hell and I'm not shooting that scene. Figure something out' and they did because who else is going to willingly sign up as a main cast member of Riverdale after the fever dream that was the entire gargoyle king storyline?
Jughead has become the gold standard of a character having their asexuality erased so much that I've heard other characters who've had their asexuality erased referred to as being 'Jugheaded'
that's kinda funny given he was more recently revealed as ace since it was a reboot comic continuity. but ig w the popularity of riverdale the ace identity in the comics was more well known, what other shows has this happened in?
I remember when I first watched the show, a friend told me about Jughead's asexuality, so I thought,"Oh okay it's an adaptation not all things were going to make the screen." Although it would've been interesting to see an asexual character, because Hollywood ignores them, despite how "woke" they pretend to be Hollywood ignores other groups of people who are asexual, pansexual, nonbinary, polyamorous, and much more of different varieties of people who deserve proper representation.
What also really sucks for Jughead's sexuality erasure, is that asexual doesn't mean sex repulsed. Some asexual will very happily have sex with their partner, for their partner. Just because they don't experience sexual attraction doesn't mean they won't have sex full stop. Legitimately, all it would have taken is a conversation or even a nod that Jughead is fine with having sex with his partners, since he is romantically attached. That's it. It showed Roberto either was just lazy, probably, or he legitmately doesn't understand asexuals.
People think asexual means aromantic AND sex repulsed. I mean... Show me a person who never had sex with their partner while they weren't in the mood, but the partner was. It's really not that difficult to imagine. (Just that part of the experience, though. I'm not pretending to understand the asexual experience because I had sex with my partner for their pleasure when I wasn't in the mood)
Holy shit, did I just find out that I’m asexual? I dated a woman for a while and I was more than happy to have sex with her because I just loved knowing she was enjoying it, but I always found it physically clunky and awkward, and I was looking forward to the kiss afterwards and then some hand-holding 😂 I figured it was my fun combo of autism and sexual trauma but maybe sex just isn’t my cup of tea!
Asexual means you don't experience sexual attraction, not that you don't enjoy sex. So maybe you just have low libido (like me, I am bisexual but don't actively seek sex) @@bobbieparry646
@@bobbieparry646 Well yeah it's possible you're asexual honestly XD Just wanted to say like it's a spectrum (you might be collecting spectrums XD no but actually like almost everything in life is a spectrum), and so there is other identities like I'm demi sexual, so I can only feel sexual attraction towards those I have big feelings for for me even only romantic (but not all demi sexual it just have to be strong feelings/link), and so I experience sexuality in a kind of way bc in a relation with someone I am attracted to I'm still more on the ace spec than others could be like sex even with those I'm attracted to is just one more activity I can do with them, I enjoy it and enjoy making them feel good, but even though I can feel horny for them it's not like I ever feel I deeply "need" sex kinda. And I know others demi sexual are "kinda like not ace once it's with those they have feelings for", like my partner is also demi sexual but once it's someone he has big feelings for and his attracted to he's living the attraction in a non ace way XD Don't know if it's clear but yeah just look into all that and talk with people that "know" where they are in all that and you might understand yourself a bit better ^^ I know I felt relieved to understand what I was bc before I was just kinda lost like I just didn't knew if I could feel sexual attraction or romantic attraction etc, and it's not it would have been a pb for me to not do, just I was constantly unsure about it all, and knowing I was demi sexual has been "usefull" in a way bc I know I can do things with someone I don't love without being disguted etc and just to make others feel good and I don't know I find it valuable to know XD
Plenty of ace people also have libidos (best explanation I’ve seen: “attraction says ‘this one,’ libido says ‘right now.’”) so for fuck’s sake, you could even still have Jughead enthusiastically initiating! IT’S NOT HARD TO INCLUDE US, ASSHOLES!
Riverdale is a show that is literally just interesting to look at. It's full of aesthetically pleasing people dressed in pretty clothes. Even watching the scenes compiled in this video, I found myself mesmerized by (and yearning for) Toni's and Veronica's wardrobe. And the same could be said for Pretty Little Liars. That's all it is. Eye candy.
it's nice to watch for an adult (in the way you mean) but shows like this and Teen Wolf / Beverly Hills 90210 are massively detrimental to actual high school kids. Low income kids who can't afford 27 different sweaters and matching pants and skirts. Where everyone lives in a clean 2 storey home and has a shower and breakfast and clean clothes every morning. Kids with full make-up (bought how? min wage after school jobs are where?), flawless skin, perfect hair and bodies, tons of sexually attractive people and opportunities. Life isn't like Clueless. For young people to watch this and make negative comparisons to their real life it must be so depressing.
@@anyalaASMR lighting no, I remember one episode thelighting was so bad I put my brightness on max and still couldn't see because it was so dark, for majority of the episode too
are you kidding me??? The whole "Jughead is going to die" thing was because they improvised because an actor refused to shoot the scene???? this is next level, this is "I didn't even get out of bed today" level of LAZY
I respectfully disagree because of something your probably not thinking about. They were disregarding their actors comfort when they could have done this is other ways like indoors or on even just a less cold day or earlier so its warmer, even just putting them by a fire or giving them blankets. Like he dosen't act on this show for fun and they want him to strip naked in the freezing woods for no reason when they could film on a better day. Like why did it need to be 3 am on that day that was "Particularly cold". I feel like he had the right to refuse to shoot that day. He might get paid alot but it's still a job and an employer is still asking him to freeze in the woods nearly naked and it's not like he can quit without getting sued. Remember directors nearly always do scenes multiple times ontop of failed takes it's not usually infact almost never one good take and there done. Plus they would probably be rushed on set because they would be losing the lighting they wanted. You would probably refuse too lol
@@captainsebt Oh love! He wasn’t shaming Cole Sprouse! He was saying the writers do not care about making the script good because they just added a random whole new plot for shock value because of the scene. He was saying it’s ridiculous an extremely lazy comparing it to probably one of the most common ways of being lazy: not getting out of bed because they didn’t want to. Basically, the writers did not care about the plot at all because they didn’t want to. Most good writers plan ahead, unlike the ones from Riverdale. Tbh, a lot of people wouldn’t put themselves in an uncomfortable situation like that 🤷♀️ I sure as hell wouldn’t! Cole had every right to say no.
@@captainsebt Yeah I never said he didn't have the right to refuse, I was just saying the circumstances leading them to deciding such a crucial plot point are ridiculous
I feel bad for the cast. It's clear that they like working with each other and are friends, but hate being on the show because of it's terrible character writing.
it would be amazing if a really good team of writers decided to make a movie based on the archie comics, and cast the riverdale actors in it so they could work together again, but be able to play these characters well
@@Itszahia They just need some time for people to forget this mess of a show. They are good actors in their own right. I mean look at Robert Pattinson landing a role as batman. No one would ever predict that Edward from twilight would ever land a role as the dark knight
Lili and Cole will be fine for the most part, but the rest like of them like Camilla and KJ are only going to be seen as their Riverdale characters. It’s a mixed bag for Madelaine.
I think the only truly sad thing connected with this show was Luke Perry's death. It was sad and Fred Andrews was really the only adult in Riverdale who had any sense.
Have I ever watched Riverdale? No. Have I ever expressed interest in watching Riverdale? No. Did I sit uninterrupted through the entire video instead of finishing my homework? Yes.
I remember the hype when the first season came out, but once season 2 came out I heard no mention of the show again , and watched it for myself just recently and I’ll be honest season 1 and 2 were great but the other seasons had so much going on I couldn’t keep up season 6 I remember passing out and waking up and hearing they have super powers and was beyond confused season 7 came around and it was ok but the ending was not what I was expecting, I expected it to end with jughead sitting in the diner writing and Archie Betty and Veronica come in like “hey jug you finish your story??” But no
What really sucks is that the longer the cast stays on the show, the more notorious they're going to get for playing that type of character until they're typecast as a trashy CW character.
In defense of the comics, it's actually used as a running gag to show off how much of a spoiled brat and shallow person Veronica is, her friends even use the term to mock her for being out of touch with reality. Which they should've dropped in the show, like never touched if they can't even write it cohesively in the plot even as a throwaway line.🤢
@@jmcmontanheiro Lmao yup!! In the interviews, you can see them at least attempt to hide their hatred with some jokes or something but Lili just straight up trashes it each time and looks like she doesn't wanna be there XD
@@oracleofdelphiii I watched an interview where Kj apa and cole sprouse were just talking to each other through the whole thing and not paying any attention .....they really don't wanna be there lol.
I once saw a clip of an interview with Cole about the Heathers episode where he said "Well, at this point Riverdale is whatever it is from week to week..." he sounded so tired
It’s honestly insane how talented thr cast is. Madeleine Petsch delivers a genuinely great performance in the episode “In Treatment”. Lily Reinhart is Great in everything I’ve seen her in.
As someone that was a not-like-other-girls "tragic author" type person in middle/high school, I feel like Jughead's narration could be a pretty accurate representation of a teenager convinced they're really good at writing deep, dark drama. It could have been funny if the writers weren't also convinced they were good at writing deep, dark drama...
Poor guy. They should have just let him be the drummer or something without forcing him to sing if they still wanted him to participate in these awful musicals.
You forget about those Disney channel collars were they would sing old Disney movie songs like “a dream is a wish your heart makes” or friends for change
Wait let me get this straight, the guy that made a screenplay so offensive that the Archie comic guys sent him a cease and desist so his screenplay wouldn't be shown ended up being hired to write for Netflix a show based on the Archie comics... if that doesn't tell you everything you need to know about the show 😂
I just have to imagine how Arcgies Actor was forced to break into the writers room to stop the director from casting the guy who played Dhalmer in the Dhalmer show, because he found out what Roberto might want to do with him...
The thing is, that could work. Internalized and structured(?) homophobia is a thing and specially gay people doesn't notice how they're being somewhat homophobic themselves, because sometimes it's something that's so common on our society that we don't see the problematics of it. So, if the show actually talked about this, it could be a great way to show how homophobia is something so rooted in our society. Cheryl could learn from Toni or any other gay character that she shouldn't do or say somethings. That could even teach the audience how not to act. But nah, she's just a jerk
@@nattyism she surely does radiate lesbian energy (and I'm a lesbian myself), but her being lesbian doesn't have any major affect on her character, nor does her relationship with Toni or their breakups. It's almost like is just there to fill a checklist, because I can be totally erased and doesn't matter at all to the show or to the characters.
@Bille Nye The Russian Spy I am not sure, but as long as I'm aware, she only has romantic interest in women. She mentions a girl in her past that her mom took away from her, she was obsessed with Josie, and she got involved with Toni. I don't recall her mentioning having anything for a guy before, though, we are talking about 4 seasons with 12-23 episodes each, so maybe there's some information that I don't remember. I am sure that Toni is bi, but I am not sure about Cheryl's sexuality.
@Bille Nye The Russian Spy oh, you're right! I totally forgot about this, I guess because it came out of nowhere and it ended up being completely pointless, either way, you're welcome :D
This show is basically run on a team of some bad wattpad writers, I WOULDNT be surprised if most of their ideas came from scouring the worst fanfics to save the dead show
Let’s all take solace in the fact that Archie Comics lost rights to the Sonic the Hedgehog comics otherwise Dr Eggman would’ve taken over Riverdale and Archie would have to stop him via collecting the Chaos Emeralds.
The secret is, Riverdale is a Soap-Opera. It has no plot, because it is a soap-opera. Everyone has a secret twin for no reason, because it is a soap-opera.
UK AND Australian soap operas have writers that obviously care about plot, character realism and sensitivities of serious subject matters they portray even if they're fast food television.
It's 100% Roberto and the crappy writers that are the ones ruining it. The film crew actually did a good job. The content they are filming is stupid but they make it look good. Like you mentioned, the visuals are great. The actors are attractive and I feel like a lot of them actually are good actors despite the content they are given to work with. I like them in other projects they are in and they are charismatic enough to carry the lame content the writers come up with repeatedly. It feels like I'm watching a game show where they take bad writing to see how well the actors can make it work and how far they can push the bad writing before they get the actor so annoyed they just throw out the script and quit.
I don't know about that acting part. Like yeah, the script is awful and the actors have shit dialogue to work with but even if the writing was stellar, I don't think we'd be getting amazing performances out of most of them. They're definitely CW level actors.
@@campbellsoup93 not necessarily true. Idk about the others but I know KJ Appa, Cole Sprouse, and Madeline Petche all star as the main characters in pretty big dramas of other projects and did well in all them. I think for the most part it’s definitely the script
@@candyshopdream if your talking abt archie 1. it’s a weird power dynamic and two he can’t consent because he’s a minor and mrs grundy was an adult. it wasn’t consensual, he was like 15 and she was 35
As someone who used to buy the comics as a kid and loved Melissa Joan Hart's Sabrina, I'm really glad this video exists. It satisfies my curiosity but also saves me hours of disappointment.
"Roberto can talk all he wants about representation on the show, but the truth is if he can't sexualize that representation he doesn't care about it and doesn't mind erasing it." I am fan of this guy for saying this. Roberto Aguirre Sacasa just needs a good kick in the balls. I also hate him for turning the character of Archie- an intelligent, funny and engaging person to a one dimensional and dumb sex toy.
Like his whole personality is being obsessed with getting laid. This show makes gay people look so bad and completely devoid of any element. So out of touch with reality.
I feel so bad for the actors on riverdale. They are actually all very talented but have to deal with this shit. It's so sad. Also you forgot bad dialogue such as: "daddy", "daddykins", "archiekins", "TT", and "endgame"
The “bad dialogue” is meant to be ridiculous and over the top though. I don’t understand how this show has been on for six seasons now and people still talk about the “cringy dialogue” as if it’s not written like that on purpose. The writers on in on the joke. They’ve even given interviews talking about how they’ve laughed about how ridiculous they’ve taken things and how laughable certain things like Edgar and his rocket were. It’s the viewers that seem to be in the dark here.
@@TanyaBaxter It's gotten to the point where it gets tiring for even the cast. If this is supposed to be a satire, then the writers really don't get what it actually is. They just think they're doing something like it, but they brought up serious topics in the show season after season without even exploring in a tasteful or a smart way it like how a satire would.
@@dream-lh4pc There are viewers that see it though and I think the fact that so many people consistently talk about the “cringy dialogue” and outrageous storylines as proof that the show has jumped the shark or is “the worst on television!!!” shows that they are picking up on the elements that make it so but not realizing how. They are looking at it from the wrong angle, but they have the right pieces.
@@fsantos4199 Eh. Fair enough. I genuinely enjoy the show and am invested in it more than just finding it amusing but I still stand by the fact that the majority of people take it too seriously.
Roberto must have blackmail material on a couple of studio heads. That's the only explanation I can think of for why he keeps getting all these chances to screw up all these properties.
You did not get Hermione's actress to give a great speech about pulling through and staying strong just to use it to trash Riverdale 💀💀💀 Jokes aside, that was super adorable of her
shes actually an absolute angel. she worked as an undercover op with the FBI for years to catch predators and traffickers of young children! she doesnt just say nice things, she takes action. legend.
Okay but it's pretty hilarious to know that Cole Sprouse just straight up refused to do a lot of things on set, and it ended up affecting the plot in a major way. He's stuck in a contract but still has enough leverage to have boundaries - or maybe growing up a child star, he was forced to find out on his own that he _can_ say no to shit.
@@kristencurtis7031 he refused to do the throwing jughead's beanie into the fire. He was supposed to be in it but he didn't wanna so it changed s4 plotline
@@kristencurtis7031 As was said above, he refused to get in his underwear (on a cold Canadian day!) for that scene, which made it seem like he was dead and the season was written largely around that idea. He also refused to sing in the first musical episode because he felt like the Jughead he played just wouldn't do that. I think it worked well in the episode and added some variety and flavour and conflict. Too bad they got him to sing just like all the others in later musical episodes.
@@imaginekudryavka9485 and you can see in his performance that he's thinking "this is so cringey, I'd rather be fake killed off again" and at the same time "meh, they've already butchered my character anyway so i'll try to enjoy the song"
That's what happens when people try to tell a story that isn't theirs without consulting the community they're talking about. The writers end up using their own limited understanding, which is often also prejudiced if they're dealing with a marginalised group. The writer will only have the experience they learned from other media prejudiced media, so those tropes will come up over and over again. Like, the fact that Kevin was cruising for sex from the age of 16 in the woods? Made me fucking howl. The writers genuinely think gay guys still have to run around in the woods like it's the 80's in the Midwest. If a real gay guy was knocking around the set or empowered to make any calls over the script, he probably would've vetoed that in favour of awkward car hook-ups or meeting up at someone's house, because that's what most gay teens do these days- a lot like straight teens. But there wasn't and so we end up with this cartoonish character of Kevin, who looks, acts and sounds like the 'sassy gay friend' or uwu fanfic characterisation of a gay guy that all these women thought they were going to tame and domesticate as a 'gay bestie' at college, and the male writers worried were going to hit on them.
@@darthzaida1881 Roberto, the showrunner, is gay tho. Honestly I think he suffers from the same issue Ryan Murphy had: favoring their beloved straight jock with a heart of gold (see Finn, Sam, Archie, etc). I don't know if it's because that's the kind of guy they are attracted to or they simply love that archetype but its something.
Yeah it is also queerbaiting- trying to attract a queer audience by appearing queer but not rejecting a homophobic audience by not really engaging in is For example putting the fake lesbian kiss in the trailer hinting at an open queer relationship in the center of the plot, having queer sidekicks whose only characteristic is being gay- Betty's best friend and not showing queer scenes to the same extent as straight ones
@@rociohernandez3077 Oh, wow, shut me I up! I had no idea, I guess Roberto is just so bad at writing gay people he had me thinking he wasn't. What a talent.
Friendly Space Ninja and Alex Meyers need to do a collab on this. Both have suffered through this show and are great at condensing it in their own great way
Fun fact: "I'm weird I'm a weirdo" was the last domino in a chain that began with the 2008 writers strike. The writers strike forced Supernatural to end season 3 early, so they introduced Castiel to bring Dean back because his planned return was cut, so the show went on to queerbait Destiel, so a girl mentioned her bi Dean headcanon to a panel and Jensen Ackles was rude to her, so Britta Lundin wrote a fangirl power fantasy novel called Ship It based on the incident, so she got hired on Riverdale (directly because of the Ship It manuscript), and she wrote episode 1x10
I hate how the show’s creators take the characters names out of the Archie Comics and made a horrible show with confusing storylines and sexualizing teenages. The Archie comics was basically my childhood and I remember buying every comic at my local Walmart. The Archie comics would have been perfect for a comedy and slice of life show, but no, we have this garbage mess.
I honestly think this was everybody. I was pretty excited to watch too. Then when I watched it, I was like wtf is this? Lol I checked out after the first couple of episodes. When I watched another episode, Veronica was dancing on the other side of a prison’s gates? Then I never came back.
But just imagine a 90s era wholesome Archie universe, where Archie is just a regular sweet guy playing in a band with his best friends and has milkshakes at Pop's after school. What did we do to deserve Riverdale?
Honestly i dont think the genre was the problem, it was just terribly handled, altho maybe youre right, archie wasnt a big part of my childhood, i think the only interaction i had with the franchise was archies mysteries.
I couldn't agree more. I was such a huge fan of the Archie comics in my teens. I hate the fact that there was absolutely no homage paid to such iconic characters. I'm not really sure if I trust that Aguirre was an obsessive fan... otherwise he would fight tooth and nail to give the best writing possible. The only semblance of similarity between the characters in the comics and on the show is the fact they try their level best to make the actors look like their respective characters. If Archie or Cheryl had blonde hair, Betty and Veronica were both brunettes, and Jughead didn't wear a beanie... I would think the show was The Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew combined when they were in their 30s. It was promising during the 1st season up until the 2nd... then it just went downhill from there... it was as if one good writer quits once a week. No true Archie comics fan would say the show was written well. It is ok to go a different route by going dark but as professional writers, they only had one job. Write well!
when i first heard of the creation of the show, i was hoping they would make each episode a stand alone recreation of the individual stories that made up the comics. or if not a recreation, something with the same feel, just high-school/friend group comedy stuff, a different story each episode
Betty: Girl next door, the one who strives to do good, a friendly hand, a good person. Enjoys the small things in life. Loves her town and its citizens. Riverdale: What if we made her a bitch. Veronica: Passionate, if a bit brash. A tad materialistic, but her heart is bigger than her temper. Driven, unstoppable. "Can't do, sweetie" is not an acceptable answer. Riverdale: what if we made her a bitch. Cheryl: a cartoonishly evil mean girl who is known to be more than her nefarius deeds, in extremely rare occasions. Wants what she doesn't have, discards everything she uses. A total bitch you really like because you don't have to deal with hear. Riverdale: the exact same thing, but somehow it's not fun anymore. So just a bitch. Reggie: a dick you can't get rid off. Riverdale: he's kind of fine. He's barely in the series, so the writters don't really do stuff to ruin him. He's kind of a better person, somehow. Jughead: Aloof, but with a good heart. Loyal. Independent. Enjoys eating quite a lot and his truest love is tasty food. A no-nonsense kind of pal who still takes every opportunity he has to make a joke. Has a well defined moral code and, while he's strives for undertandment, he will not stand idle and let bad things occur if he has a chance to stop them. Riverdale: what if we made him a bitch. Archie: clumsy, but good hearted. A lovefool, a redhaired golden-retriever. Loves his friends and loves music and loves fun because the greatest thing to do in this life is to love. Guitars. Cars. Movies and comics too. The average guy who somehow fits in everywhere he goes. He'll just break a lot of stuff in the process. Roberto Aguirre Sacaza: what if we made him MY bitch?
Ok but Kevin calling everyone “Gen Z” after calling them “Millennials” is actually super relatable and probably the most realistic part of this garbage fire show
@Anna Niedziela there actually kind of is. Some sources say that Gen Z started in 1995 and other say that it stared in 1997. There's two years worth of uncertainty there. It's kinda like how if you're birthday is on the 22nd or 23rd, figuring out your Zodiac can be a little bit iffy.
And another sad fact about Dark Betty, Lili reinhart herself is open about her struggles with mental illnesses and yet Roberto shows no compassion and trashes the issue on her, despite being full aware of this. How crappy can you get?
@@summerrose8110 If it's part of a character and isn't vile then what? Are writers supposed to take everything thing every actor doesn't like and compromise their vision to satisfy them? No one is actually forcing them to do the job. I get your point, and it's very humane and compassionate, but ultimately it's beside the point. Writers don't write for actors to feel good. Productions don't work for actors, it's the other way around.
@@ksh2596 Writers should have more consistency for the show and not force actors to do things they're uncomfortable with. And stop having 20 year olds play teens and sexualizing them. I hate seeing that it is disgusting.
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i believe CW uses Riverdale as a way to launder money.
thats the best explanation I heard so far
This is still a more coherent and believable story line than anything Riverdale has produced post season 1
So its a riverdale story itself
It has to be the only reason why it’s still on the air.
Watch this be the season 6 plot twist
My cousin turned 30 recently. Which means she is finally old enough to play a teenager on CW.
And Zendaya will play her mom.
Lmao
@@friendlyspaceninja you replied!!! 🙌🏼💛
Tradition never dies.
fuck, that got me LMAO
I don't understand why they don't just put all the characters in college/uni and make them in their 20's, then all their antics and scandals can at least be..... legal
More shows need to be set in college in my opinion
1) actually getting away with older actors bc the characters are adults
2) things are actually legal and sex scenes aren’t as weird bc they aren’t underaged
3)it still has the nice school feel just older
4)you can still pertain to teen audiences but also reach and older audience too bc the characters are closer to their age
5)way more freedoms
6)still relatable bc its still school
7) you could also focus on the characters interests more bc there would be school majors and job opportunities
8) people wouldn’t be sexualizing underage characters
@@meeieio I think the target audience is middle and high schoolers and I just don't think those kids find college as interesting. Theres not as much in the collective mind of what college "looks like", like there is with high school. Middle schoolers romanticize high school a million times more than high schoolers romanticize college
That's a better idea for an Archie adaptation. Say the stuff from the comics happened, but the characters are older and different now.
@ euphoria
That’s what S5 was should’ve been
Explaining Riverdale is the same as explaining a half-remembered dream your friend told you seven years ago in reverse.
Lol
Accurate description of my neurodivergent day dreams
OMG, that's hilarious!! 😄
Thats a funny analogy but I'VE never had a problem explaining it to people and tell everyone I meet to check it out!
the way they tried to sell alice cooper as being undercover for the fbi to investigate the cult but never noticed that her own ex-husband was a serial killer is so funny to me
Yep totally agree 🤣😂
I never thought I would hear FBI, Cult, Ex Husband, and Serial Killer in one sentence but here we are
@@ctnkenever heard of the Manson family?
The fact that she like sold their house or something & gave all their money to the cult as well??? Like girl, that’s dedication to the job 💀💀
@KiraMac123 they definitely didn't plan on her being a informant the writers make everything up as they go
Roberto shouldn't be allowed near schools like seriously.
Or Kids.
@@filipe19991 Or teenagers
I'll never understand how predators can be so obvious and vocal with their inappropriate and dangerous attraction to teenagers and not end up getting caught by law inforcement
Or family reunions.
@@luh.4968 Honestly? Because as a society people collectively decided that the onus will always be on the victim to protect themself because predators gonna predate. People always say what they'd do if they ever "saw that" in real life but they see the shit every day, it just doesn't personally affect them. Then when it does they're the first assface on the news saying "There were no signs, [the predator] seemed so normal".
the fact that an entire season was based off of cole sprouse deciding he didnt want to get cold at 4am one morning and just refusing to do the job hes paid for is actually the funniest shit ive heard all week.
wait what?
Jughead was suposed to be în that scene în the Woods with betty veronica and archie. The actor ( cole) didnt want to be naked în the forest at 4 am for that scene so they filmed it without him. So they made the whole season about how betty archi and veronica might have killed jughead. They did that based on that scene where Cole didnt want to be in :)))
I mean, any other job you'd be fired but he is/was a huge draw for the show so they obviously wouldn't. Surprised he didn't refuse the musical episodes tbh.
@@annas.8902 They were probably held at gunpoint when they pitched it to them.
to be fair that job sucks lmao
Archie is basically the village people. He's everything, construction worker, boxer, singer, teacher, leader of a militia, soldier....
Omg this comment is amazing
Yes it's hilarious. 🙂
How did you leave out "fireman"?
Yup, and a really hot one for eye candy BUT REALLY REALLY NOT in a good way for a tv series o_0
Not a Native American though, because PC.
Archie saying "got attacked by a bear" with a straight face killed me 😭😆 I feel so bad for the actors trapped in this project
Riverdale is an SCP That traps actors in never ending nonsensical suffering
They could have at any time just quit
@@codyrm86well, they do have contracts that lock them in for multiply seasons(and the notoriety of this show could be helpful for their careers, so that could be another reason), but I see what you mean.
@@codyrm86 It's typical for contracts to be for six seasons so no...not before season 6 wraps could they just quit unless they'd like to be sued by the network for breach of contract.
@@uneterostardust8233this is funny as fuck 😭😭
*"there are 2 distinct veronica's"*
Don't give them ideas. Or else in the next season we will have veronica's evil twin, harmonica dating archie
Not Harmonica 💀
HARMONICA…
Too late, its probably already confirmed for season six....
😂😂😂
Somewhere in the dark room, a river writer is writing that down:(
A quote that I rly like is “a plot twist isn’t good because you didn’t see it coming, it’s good because you SHOULD HAVE seen it coming”.
Or at least it should make sense! like there are some breadcrumbs that will lead you there.
plot twists should be good enough to make you want to reread/ rewatch it to see if you could look back on the clues and foreshadowing. half the fun is trying to figure it out while you’re consuming it and going back knowing the twist.
Yeah, because then you start going back to find the crumbs that were already there. Then you go OOOOH NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE. I mean sure, twists we didn't see coming can be done well, but I feel like a lot of writers misinterpret it as "the audience can never know".
@@AndriaSilvaful ll
or, at least, it gives the illusion that you could’ve figured it out(even if you couldn’t)
Watching Riverdale feels like when you fell on the trampoline and couldn't get up because the other kids wouldn't stop jumping and give you a chance to regain your equilibrium.
😂😂 lol
HAHA yes exactly, i couldn’t have said it better
That's the funniest analogy I've ever heard im using this-
I tried to watch it when it first came out and I didn't like it that much and I'm so glad I didn't get into it because this writing drives me crazy
Lmao
"So I guess they're witches now?" and "But no, there is no time travel" are two sentences that ageed like milk.
As someone who hasn’t never watched the show, I believe that would happen honestly
Has never or hasn't ever. @@OIeka
In case you haven't noticed, Riverdale's weird. _It's a weirdo._
it doesn’t fit in, and it doesn’t wanna fit in.
Like have you ever see it without that stupid writing? That's weird.
riverdale fans: "i hate this word"
Weirdos make great superheroes. I love weirdos. The Hulk, early nerdy Spider-Man, Nightcrawler,etc. Riverdale isn’t weird. It’s like the kid who wanted to be cool from school who didn’t grow up and got a job for free for writing and pushed his fantasies as stories.
@@dingle2987 you could almost say that Riverdale's the damaged loner outsider from the wrong side of the tracks
Cole Sprouse survived a career on Disney without singing only to be forced to sing in Riverdale
There were like one or two musical episodes he was a part of on suite life
hes actually a really good singer tho, at least in these musical episodes
@@greyblueme9711 true but the singing was done by dylan, his twin lol
@@ariyatabassumabdullah1143 thought both of them sung 🤔
Also, after Disney he was officially done with acting but decided to give it another chance for this project... That's just sad.
In case you haven’t noticed, this show is weird. It’s a weirdo. It doesn’t fit in. And it doesn’t want to fit in. Have you ever seen this show have a cohesive plot? That’s weird.
But now we have a video explaining the weirdness.
You gotta give props to the actor for being able to say that line with a start face
This comment is going to achieve insane heights!
I LOOVEEE THIS COMMENT HAHAHAHAHAHA
This show is not like other shows! Duh!
Haha
There's a thing that Betty does so often that I had to name it: the Bettyrogation. This is when Betty goes to visit someone she suspects to be a murderer, often trespassing, always alone, to harangue the suspect with accusations of murder. This alerts the suspect to danger, and since they're alone, even if the suspect were to confess it would accomplish nothing. Somehow Betty never gets murdered.
i totally, totally feel you abt that whole hard boiled, 3 pack a day, coffee stained, intense city detective thing her character does it’s so weird. if my 17 year old niece came to me with that i would just laugh in her face…even if i _was_ an organ harvesting cult leader abt to take off in a rocket ship like a clearance rack Evil Knievel. I wouldn’t take her seriously, she’s a kid.
but i was thinking…what abt _Betterogation_ instead?
@@LiddlestLadywtf did i just read
@@ey3z4ya 😂😂 i’m pretty sure i was stoned
GREAT POINT! This show shows kids making all kinds of stupid decisions to do dangerous things yet never experiencing any negative consequences!
@@LiddlestLady But it was so much in the spirit of the show. How could I ask such a person to begone from my temple?
I always loved how Archie tried to sympathize with homeless Jughead because of his struggles of having to choose between being a football star or musician heartthrob
I CANT BELIEVE THE CROSSOVER HAPPENED!!!!!
AMANDA IS TRAPPED IN NINJA’S VIDEO!! WE NEED TO HELP HER GET OUT!!
the cognitive dissonance
Pack it up Troy Bolton
Yep, because that's TOTALLY the exact same thing! Also, great to catch you on another channel, Amanda!
The writers of Riverdale took the concept of "camp" and drove it off a cliff lol
All the youtubers are showing up for this and I couldn't be more happy tbh. Also I would love a video from you about the concept and history of camp
Broey, I am always confused between you & Hailey Elizabeth 😃 Your faces & voices are uncannily similar.
Campy doesn't= bad writting. It just means silly and over the top.
And then they bombed the cliff to make sure no one comes back up.
What a surprise that u were here, what a collab!
It was actually so sweet to see the actor who plays Hermione sincerely trying to help a stranger, especially through something like Cameo, which I have always viewed as something pretty shallow actors use as a side hustle. It was pretty touching, which was the last emotion I expected to feel while watching a fucking * Riverdale * video essay.
Seriously, she seemed SO kind and genuinely wanted to help a person.
When I read this comment I hadn't gotten to that part yet and I had also forgotten there's a character called Hermione in the series so I was sitting here like:
"Bro got Emma Watson in his video, wutwhy? @_@"
I met her on a fanexpo back in 2019 (I was a hardcore fan before shit hit the fan, also I was 13-14 LMAO) and she was SOOO lovely. Like she listened to me, was so patient when I struggled with English, and was just over all amazing! I honestly felt so bad cause it was her, Natalie Bolt (Cheryl’s mom, who is also incredible) and Madeline, and everyone was lining up to Madeline and Marisol and Natalie were just sitting there 😭🤚🏼
Yeah seriously, that was splid advise.
the fact that cole literally refused to take part in a scene is a testament to just how little they care, like what are ya gonna do, fire me? please do 😐
Lmao mood 💀💀
@AmiePage Exactly. They need to respect their actors or let them go. I'm sure it's not easy for them but they have to stand up and just say *No*
Lol that is such a chad move tho
Imagine they did and then just killed him off lmao
@@Yamismol That would've been infitinely cooler than whatever the hell Riverdales storylines are
I love that they had to completely change a plot in season 4 because Cole Spouse was like nah, it's too cold to be out at 4 am in my underwear.
Power move
really attests to the star power of Cole Sprouse compared to everyone else on the show. no one else would've gotten away with that.
@@internetexplorer6304 ok wait I can't remember if I've seen this or not why was Jughead under water naked?!
@@internetexplorer6304 pffft
If you take the softcore nudity out, Riverdale is even less than the nothing it is currently
I love this for him
“I dropped out in the 4th grade, to run drugs, to support my nana”
Archie: “that means you don’t know the triumphs and defeats, the epic highs and lows of high school football” broooooo that’s probably the funniest line in the show. Like I know it hurt him to say them lines 😂 💀
Its painful just painful
Jughead mentioned it this new season, but he wasn't around during that scene which would imply Archie said that more than once
@@lilac.mascara that cracked me up, like Riverdale was acknowledging their own bad writing and cringe 🌝🌝💀
My friends and I repeat it to each other so much 😂
@@illegalturkey99 probably I mean its probably because the consistency is nonexistent but it's just funny to think about it this way
The fact that the “there is no time travel” line at 2:04:11 aged so poorly by the time I’m watching this video is making me laugh uncontrollably because I swear Roberto saw this video and said “I can fix that!”
They actually put time travel in it? Oh good god...
@@snekladyrobin yep. They also put superpowers, traveling into alternate dimensions, the devil, and witches
I was about to comment on this time stamp with "There is now !" xD
The fact this video was made before the most recent season is criminal. The most recent season truly was the magnum opus
@@Shey-z9boh. My god.
in American teen dramas there seems to always be a main male character who's biggest life choice is music vs sport, and that's how you know you're setting yourself up for a rough time
cough cough fin hudson
cough cough high school musical
@@cornutsxd That's exactly what I was thinking.
What if that’s the story of my life though?!
join marching band, you get both
The hypersexualization of underage characters is very scary. I felt sick after you explained the sexualization of Archie’s character. With how many horror stories come from Hollyweird all the time, it makes me very uneasy. The idea of an old director using these young actors with dreams of a career to fulfill his own fantasy is infuriating.
Exactly, im newly 16 and just thinking about how sexualised all these characters are makes me feel ill
It also makes everything so unrealistic. Especially considering jughead actually being aromantic/asexual... while the entire show is overly romanticised and oversexualised.
Its actually so disgusting and incredibly creepy. Like- I'm 16 not 25. Just set it in college than it taking place in high school. What is Hollywood's obsession with high school.
@@princessmanitari4993 I'd love that kind of representation. Being on the ace spectrum myself it would have been nice to see it but oh well they just couldnt do that I guess.
Archie or anyone in this show is not even THAT sexualized (compared to Euphoria, Elite, etc)
I will never EVER get over Jughead saying he's weird and referencing his hat, I am crying tears rn. That is comedy gold tf???
It is a funny line but far my favourite.
Watched this episode yesterday and definitely the funniest shit thus far 😂
You can tell Cole Sprouse knew the line was dumb because he camps it up SO MUCH
was your 2000th like
@@artvrl heheheheh fenks!!!
I think the worst thing about Archie being sexualized so much is that KJ Apa was the only one who was actually a teenager when he started filming. He was 19, which is still very young, especially for someone whose entire role is to walk around shirtless and kiss older women.
I love you for this, this, exactly. People discount the immaturity of older teenagers CONSTANTLY, and it completely takes away from how immature and impressionable even they are. The switch of maturity doesn't flip when you hit 17,18,19,20 it takes time and life experience to develop and im very sad that this was part of HIS first moments of adult life experience!
Virgin alert
Same thing with Taylor Lautner he was only 17 during the early Twilight movies
At 19 he's old enough to understand what he's getting into by agreeing to perform on _Riverdale._
@@BiggieTrismegistus No, he really isn't
I've never seen a single episode of this show but the "I'm a weirdo" monologue lives in my head rent-free.
Same tbh
I’m weird. I’m a weirdo. I don’t “fit in”, and I don’t WANT to fit in. Have you ever seen me without this stupid beanie? That’s weird.
@@mina-simp lmao
I hate Riverdale so much but I can recite those lines by memory
This is a like an exact description of my relationship to this show.
I’ll never forget that Cheryl’s coming out storyline happened because the episode was an ad for Love Simon
Oh yeah, that was painful.
You could say literally anything about Riverdale and I’d believe you at this point
@@sigh824 Betty and Archie are actually secretly dating behind Veronica and jughead's back, Betty is a secret vampire and Veronica is actually a robot who came there to collect information on Riverdale but broke through the code
@@angelambrosia6397 no bc that sounds like an actual story line
@@angelambrosia6397 I believe you
It's finally time to learn about the epic highs and lows of highschool football !
Probably one of the most infamous lines!
I burst into tears everytime I see this line 😭😭😭😭
I was attacked by a bear.
Wait, Riverdale was set in HIGH SCHOOL?!?! Oh yeah, I completely forgot because it seems to be about literally everything but.
omg i was the 1 like you needed for 1k likes !! :)
I wonder what the writers' room for Riverdale looks like. I have a few ideas:
- Roberto is basically a tyrannical dictator who throws a tantrum whenever someone suggests that making Archie an erotic cheesemaker is not a good idea.
- The writer's room is a barren wasteland because they're all at home, binging other shows, and Roberto is left the sole writer.
- The writer's room is actually where all the discarded pages of manuscript go from other shows, and the writers just pick five pages and mash them together.
- Roberto is a self learning AI experiment gone horribly wrong.
- Everyone is smoking pot and/or crack.
Or maybe there is no writers' room and the entirety of Riverdale was based off Roberto's dream journal, because at this point that the only thing that would explain that mess of a plot for me tbh
oh man this was way too hilarious. Honestly I vote for option "all of the above"
Ok, now that was hilarious😂
AN EROTIC CHEESEMAKER😭
I've done a lot of writing while smoking pot, and my writing *improves* because I'm not as hung up second-guessing myself, so I don't think it's that one. xD
If it weren't for Riverdale my bf and I wouldn't have our favourite joke of responding to everything with "He just doesn't understand the Epic highs and lows of High School Football." It really works in all situations.
That’s so cute!
ME AND MY MAN DO THIS TOO LMAO
ME AND MY GF DO THIS AND WE’VE NEVER SEEN THE SHOW
@@lakenrutland8877 I don’t get it
@@Sandrinarhonda it’s a quote from the show you just have to watch the whole video lol
when they announced jughead's 'death' I thought it was one of 2 possibilities:
1. shock value
2. cole sprouse had finally acted on his disdain for the writing and didn't want to be in the show anymore.
I definitely thought Cole had finally had enough lol
I think if Cole does just throw his hands up and quit they'll try and bribe Dylan into taking the role
@@dirtydan5281 lol, so true
@@dirtydan5281 I think Dylan wouldn't be that foolish to take the role.
dirty dan Dylan's doing Chinese dramas now, Riverdale would be a real downgrade for him LMAO
The surreal thing about the "I'm a weirdo" is Cole Sprouse genuinely trying to deliver it with a straight face, in a way that is as close to natural as it is possible for such a line, as if good acting could save it?
He’s trying his best, but I don’t think anything can salvage that line
tbh, he almost pulled it off. it’s still dumb BUT for me it looked like the character knew that he sounded ridiculous and kind of intended for it to happen as to be less insecure in front of the other.
anyhow. he tried, pure soul
@@freckleKaren i agree
Honestly I got to say that line doesn't even touch my top five of the worst lines in Riverdale.
my favorite part of that clip is watching him struggle so hard to keep serious and deliver this somehow, it’s almost inspiring lol of course he can’t do it because no one can, but watching him try is kind of amazing
Hearing “The showrunner wrote a play in high school about Archie dating Nathan Leopold” really was all the context anyone ever needed
Maybe Roberto, like the rest of us, should have just written his kinky fanfic and posted it on AO3 instead, and tagged it appropriately. Would have saved a lot of time and money.
Yeah? 50 shades, mortal instruments, 365 Days and after say otherwise
I wouldn't be surprised if he had AO3 and Wattpad accounts, you know, for research purposes
@@M.I.N.A. those are all universally panned projects like Riverdale, so you're basically just making OP's point lol
Imagine AO3 writers if they had his budget... OH GOD NO 😱
@@katevgrady I mean I got confused by the "like us" part cause I'm pretty sure OPs fanfic isn't published but if thex meant it like you're saying then I agree.
Yessss…these writers and creators need to stop making “teen shows with adult scenarios” (and casting adults to play teens). It’s misleading, confusing, and uncomfortable.
Yes! and even if having adults it’s the best option for various reasons (working hours, protect children, etc.) DON’T put them in all of this hyper sexual situations, especially the teacher-student trope it’s disgusting
@@dianaacevedo7552 agreed
@Booper Dooper We got to give this to riverdale, it’s true.
That's why I liked The Order as much as it's not like, an amazing show, it's so much easier and fun to watch because it's set at a college but otherwise it's like a classic CW type show. Unfortunately it got cancelled by Netflix after 2 seasons though. Just make them college students if you want them to have fun sexy times and party a lot!
@Booper Dooper She's driven out of town because we're talking about a she. When the teacher is a he, it's often made into a "love" story because older men preying on girls and younger women has always been normalized as even the first example you thought of shows.
I honestly feel bad for Archie’s actor, he didnt sign up for a porno and it must be incredibly uncomfortable to keep going. The whole cast in general, honestly.
I would not be surprised if he came out with a story on sexual harassment in the workplace by a director. Like the speakers at the “me too” movement spoke of. Poor guy is being objectified the whole time.
@@username_creates6991 yeah, I feel like directors sometimes forget actors are people and not dolls to recreate your fantasies
@@username_creates6991 not "me too" plz...😒
@@Chalome_Timotheeshvilli What?
@@Chalome_Timotheeshvilli russians
you know you've succeeded as a youtuber when the audience of one of your several hour long videos is largely made up of those who haven't even watched the tv show it's actually about and the retention rate is still insane. very well done space 😭
you also know you succeeded when your 2+ hr long youtube videos is pulling better numbers than whatever riverdale might be doing
Same, I've never watched any of Riverdale, but am here watching a 2.5 hour video about it 😅
Yep, this, Jenny Nicholson's Vampire Diaries video and Mike's Mic Glee videos are all awesome comfort videos about shows I will never watch
How much do you want to bet that window jump death scene was genuinely just Sam Witwer attempting to escape the set?
LOVED THAT
XD
I cant 😂😭
Don’t blame him, I’d do the same
AHAHAHHAA
I’m sorry but when I hear the name Sam Witwer, I think of darth maul and twitch streamers.
Riverdale gave us the line "you clearly don't understand the epic highs and lows of high school football" so I will consider it a success.
As you should
I last played HS football over 20 years ago and that line is absolutely correct.
Proceeded by the image of an ten year old selling crack to support their grandma.
The only redeemable quality of riverdale is Cheryl’s outstanding wardrobe. That’s literally it so major props to the costume designer.
Yaaas
In all honesty, the wardrobe does have its good moments (though that unfortunately can’t save a show as bad as this)
Was the Jessica Rabbit look on purpose or by accident, I never watched this show.
Her outfits are great, but so not relatable 😅
Also the makeup is decent
The part about young people liking riverdale only because of ship culture really hits home for me since I had such a encounter a couple of years back, I once told a friend of mine that I knew of riverdale and later when I told them I was Bi they almost immediately sent me two pictures of (I think jughead and Archie) and asked me who I thought was “hotter” like they never asked me anything about what I thought OF the show just who I found more attractive, which I feel says a lot about the culture around the show.
Obsessive shippers are just sad people. They don't care about good story, characters, acting, writing or anything but whether 2 people in a film, book, show or game will fuck.
@@Xehanort10Shippers are a malignant tumor on so many fandoms. They're loud too so writers seem to have a tendency to listen to them.
@@BiggieTrismegistus I wouldn't go that far, but I agree that it gets excessive when they start prioritizing the shippable moments over a good story
@@violetlavi2207 How about this: the _obsessive_ shippers are the malignant tumor. I understand that some people want to see characters get together, but a few of them take it way too far by caring more about their beloved ship than anything else. I find their insistence that two straight men who are friends secretly want nothing more than to make sweet passionate love to one other particularly annoying.
@@Xehanort10 THIS!!!
Jughead is the human embodiment of the statement "i'm not like other girls"
No it’s ,” I’m not like other boys”
No it's "I'm a weirdo"
LMAO TRUE
@@bigmaster1884 “im weird”
@l3ulaklak l3looming Hi I’ve seen you on the Sabrina vid and some other stuff (sorry if this is weird).
What's even crazier is that Roberto studied playwriting at the Yale School of Drama, one of the best playwriting programs in the country.
Took everything his teachers told him and said "What if I didn't do that, in fact, what if I did the exact opposite?" and now we're stuck with the consequences
He knows what he's doing. Even though is mediocre and shallow, it keeps going somehow
@@myllenaeloi4248 And he keeps getting new properties to ruin. Roberto is making the reboot for True Blood and Pretty Little Liars. I already thought PLL was garbage(Never seen True Blood), but those shows are doomed. To quote Wednesday Addams,"Be afraid, be very afraid."
can you imagine being a professor and then seeing that one of your students produced this mess?
@@summerrose8110 pll is not garbage. it's not the best show ever but it's definitely WAYYY better than riverdale
Ok but can we talk about how disturbing it is that a grown man is literally writing out his sex fantasies through underage teenage characters. Red flags all around...that dude's got issues, to say the least.
@Stormynights him*
Yep. And no adult will shut him down.
Yeah he’s asked “are you having fun?” And it’s like,, I’m sure someone out there is… :/
Not really. He's just a dedicated shlockmeister
@@heinoustentacles5719 This. I doubt the dude wants to sexualize underage teens anymore than he really cares about long-lost relatives, multiple criminal organizations, cults, incest, or having a serial killer alter ego. He's just throwing eDgY ideas at the wall and seeing what sticks.
I live in the UK and simply finding out that Riverdale is a CW show rather than a Netflix "Original" (as it was marketed over here, believe it or not) has made so much click into place.
“I dropped out in the fourth grade, to run drugs, to support my nana.” 54:24
That is the greatest line in television history.
I literally chuckled and said “aw that is so sweet”
“That means you haven’t known the triumphs and defeats, the epic highs and lows of high school football” Shakespeare could never
@@epicjoyfulcreations4580 THATS the best line
@@epicjoyfulcreations4580 HAHAHAH
@@epicjoyfulcreations4580 THIS ONE wins
Jughead is like the “I’m not like others girls” of Riverdale
Since when Jughead became a waifu.
And the fans eat it up 😂 I don’t get it.
@@miranda13c lol its not that they eat it up they think it's cringy as well. i don't know how to explain it but riverdale is one of those shows where it's so cringy that you got to watch it. It's like a cringe that you can somewhat laugh to. Basically if you look at riverdale as a comedy and not the "serious teen drama" it's trying to make it self out to be. Than it's actually decent.
@@lxrdkenji like twilight
"In case you haven't noticed yet I'm weird"
"I'd recognize those abs anywhere."
-Veronica Lodge
One of the WORST lines ever!
Riverdale is an anthology of terrible lines, held together by horniness and glitter glue
I found the line “Take, this, the hell, down” worse lol
Her song about her sexuality is the worst thing that ever happened in this show imo
@@evak5673 lmao
Actually the worst lines ever uttered in Riverdale are "If you haven't noticed, I'm a weirdo. You ever see me with out this stupid hat. I don't fit in and I don't want to fit in"
Friendly Space Ninja: "There isn't any time travel in Riverdale!"
Newest Riverdale season: "And I took that personally!"
My favorite thing about the first season is that Archie thought he was in highschool musical and trying desperately to have a Troy storyline while the actual storyline kept to the murder mystery. I wish they had kept Archie trying to be a Disney channel movie while Regan era horror unfolds around him. It's really funny.
This comment destroyed me lmao. Honestly the WHOLE show should’ve been the Archie cast continuing to be their iconic archetypes while the plot descended into horror and madness
"The Blossoms and The Coopers are related by blood which makes Jason and Polly's relationship fully incestuous."
*"Meanwhile, does Archie have what it takes to get into the fancy music school???"*
@@LynetteTheMadScientist That would be a million times better show, someone needs to make that happen
100%! It was so confusing, like why does the story not center around him. Betty and Jughead be investigating the murder, hes off playing Troy, Veronica off playing mafia games. Just didn't get how they all rarely hung out together too as normal teenagers 🤔
@@LynetteTheMadScientist like The Brady Bunch movies where the Brady's are still stuck in the 70s while the world around them is clearly in the 90s?
"sentient Wattpad love interest" I'm barely 10 minutes into this video and I'm already dying of laughter
OMG IT'S YOU!!!
I've only heard of wattpad like last year could someone please explain this to me.
@@neilg5579 from my understanding a bunch of pre-teens making rpf fanfic of their favorite boy bands or sometimes fanfic of creepy pasta characters, I think the operative part for dig in this video is pre-teens writing self insert romance fics
This description is the most apt and amazing one I've ever heard!
Half of wattpad's love interests have more of a personality...
Hal Cooper's eyes were blue until about 2-3 episodes before his reveal as the black hood. It's not a theory that the writers didn't know who the killer was, it's undeniably 100% true.
That makes sense. Pop was like "The grim reaper had come to riverdale" or whatever. Then it's just fucking Hal. I loved this show and didn't question a lot of these flaws but that even got me.
Exactly. I noticed it first thing and I was like, Are they fucking serious??
I always wondered about his eyes...didn't seem to match the black hood, or if it did, why didn't Archie notice?. Also, didn't Hermione offer a mil reward for the capture of the black hood? So shouldn't Betty have received that?
They should have made the sheriff the black hood cause at least his eyes sorta match
It isn't just that, the dinner shooting scene had a lot of things changed in the beginning of season 2 just for the story to continue on from the last episode of season 1.
I'll never forget seeing a video of Madelaine Petsch auditioning for The Prom, and almost all the comments were people amazed that she could actually sing and act. I hate that this show has given these actors the reputation that they're untalented.
I actually admire Cole Sprouse. He had to give that entire "I'm a weirdo" speech without laughing,he said it with a dead serious face in a dead serious tone.
I would've lost it immediately,I can't even quote it cause I feel myself about to wheeze and laugh.
That's a good actor right there.
It's the hat part that gets me 😂
he's a horrible person tho
The entire plot of season 4 happened specifically because Cole just refused to shoot the scene where everyone was naked and throwing their clothes into the fire. He was just an absolute Chad who said 'what are you gonna do, fire me? It's cold as hell and I'm not shooting that scene. Figure something out' and they did because who else is going to willingly sign up as a main cast member of Riverdale after the fever dream that was the entire gargoyle king storyline?
@@catrionabruce3 How so?
@@catrionabruce3 what did he do
Jughead has become the gold standard of a character having their asexuality erased so much that I've heard other characters who've had their asexuality erased referred to as being 'Jugheaded'
I had forget that he was/is ace. What this show did to me?!?!! 😭😭😭😭
that's kinda funny given he was more recently revealed as ace since it was a reboot comic continuity. but ig w the popularity of riverdale the ace identity in the comics was more well known, what other shows has this happened in?
I remember when I first watched the show, a friend told me about Jughead's asexuality, so I thought,"Oh okay it's an adaptation not all things were going to make the screen." Although it would've been interesting to see an asexual character, because Hollywood ignores them, despite how "woke" they pretend to be Hollywood ignores other groups of people who are asexual, pansexual, nonbinary, polyamorous, and much more of different varieties of people who deserve proper representation.
@@summerrose8110 to think that in thailand it has a tv series with threesome relationship (one girl with two boys) (who *equally* love each other)
@@ayla6526 three is free😍
"But is it still better than Emily in Paris?" I'm ready to watch 2 hours 22 minutes and 1 second to find out.
Cole Sprouse makes up for so much BS so imma say yes but only because of Cole and his amazing beanie
Honestly? Yeah, it is 😂
Cole carries Riverdale, yes, it is.
@@FrancisFabricates cole does not make up for this show oml. Riverdale tries to be a million things and accomplishes barely anything
Yeah, at least it's fun in a nonsense way. EIP is just boring
What also really sucks for Jughead's sexuality erasure, is that asexual doesn't mean sex repulsed. Some asexual will very happily have sex with their partner, for their partner. Just because they don't experience sexual attraction doesn't mean they won't have sex full stop. Legitimately, all it would have taken is a conversation or even a nod that Jughead is fine with having sex with his partners, since he is romantically attached. That's it. It showed Roberto either was just lazy, probably, or he legitmately doesn't understand asexuals.
People think asexual means aromantic AND sex repulsed. I mean... Show me a person who never had sex with their partner while they weren't in the mood, but the partner was. It's really not that difficult to imagine. (Just that part of the experience, though. I'm not pretending to understand the asexual experience because I had sex with my partner for their pleasure when I wasn't in the mood)
Holy shit, did I just find out that I’m asexual?
I dated a woman for a while and I was more than happy to have sex with her because I just loved knowing she was enjoying it, but I always found it physically clunky and awkward, and I was looking forward to the kiss afterwards and then some hand-holding 😂 I figured it was my fun combo of autism and sexual trauma but maybe sex just isn’t my cup of tea!
Asexual means you don't experience sexual attraction, not that you don't enjoy sex. So maybe you just have low libido (like me, I am bisexual but don't actively seek sex) @@bobbieparry646
@@bobbieparry646 Well yeah it's possible you're asexual honestly XD Just wanted to say like it's a spectrum (you might be collecting spectrums XD no but actually like almost everything in life is a spectrum), and so there is other identities like I'm demi sexual, so I can only feel sexual attraction towards those I have big feelings for for me even only romantic (but not all demi sexual it just have to be strong feelings/link), and so I experience sexuality in a kind of way bc in a relation with someone I am attracted to I'm still more on the ace spec than others could be like sex even with those I'm attracted to is just one more activity I can do with them, I enjoy it and enjoy making them feel good, but even though I can feel horny for them it's not like I ever feel I deeply "need" sex kinda. And I know others demi sexual are "kinda like not ace once it's with those they have feelings for", like my partner is also demi sexual but once it's someone he has big feelings for and his attracted to he's living the attraction in a non ace way XD Don't know if it's clear but yeah just look into all that and talk with people that "know" where they are in all that and you might understand yourself a bit better ^^ I know I felt relieved to understand what I was bc before I was just kinda lost like I just didn't knew if I could feel sexual attraction or romantic attraction etc, and it's not it would have been a pb for me to not do, just I was constantly unsure about it all, and knowing I was demi sexual has been "usefull" in a way bc I know I can do things with someone I don't love without being disguted etc and just to make others feel good and I don't know I find it valuable to know XD
Plenty of ace people also have libidos (best explanation I’ve seen: “attraction says ‘this one,’ libido says ‘right now.’”) so for fuck’s sake, you could even still have Jughead enthusiastically initiating! IT’S NOT HARD TO INCLUDE US, ASSHOLES!
TWO HOURS?! Oh we’re being FED
NOMNOMNOM
Yep yep yep !!!
Yes!
Hello @shanspeare ! 🌟
Hi Shanspeare happy to see you here.
Riverdale is a show that is literally just interesting to look at.
It's full of aesthetically pleasing people dressed in pretty clothes. Even watching the scenes compiled in this video, I found myself mesmerized by (and yearning for) Toni's and Veronica's wardrobe. And the same could be said for Pretty Little Liars.
That's all it is. Eye candy.
Yeah at least the visuals are great
Whoever does their lighting/clothing/set design needs a raise. The writers need to be fired.
@@anyalaASMR my thoughts in words
it's nice to watch for an adult (in the way you mean) but shows like this and Teen Wolf / Beverly Hills 90210 are massively detrimental to actual high school kids. Low income kids who can't afford 27 different sweaters and matching pants and skirts. Where everyone lives in a clean 2 storey home and has a shower and breakfast and clean clothes every morning. Kids with full make-up (bought how? min wage after school jobs are where?), flawless skin, perfect hair and bodies, tons of sexually attractive people and opportunities. Life isn't like Clueless. For young people to watch this and make negative comparisons to their real life it must be so depressing.
@@anyalaASMR lighting no, I remember one episode thelighting was so bad I put my brightness on max and still couldn't see because it was so dark, for majority of the episode too
are you kidding me??? The whole "Jughead is going to die" thing was because they improvised because an actor refused to shoot the scene???? this is next level, this is "I didn't even get out of bed today" level of LAZY
I respectfully disagree because of something your probably not thinking about. They were disregarding their actors comfort when they could have done this is other ways like indoors or on even just a less cold day or earlier so its warmer, even just putting them by a fire or giving them blankets. Like he dosen't act on this show for fun and they want him to strip naked in the freezing woods for no reason when they could film on a better day. Like why did it need to be 3 am on that day that was "Particularly cold".
I feel like he had the right to refuse to shoot that day. He might get paid alot but it's still a job and an employer is still asking him to freeze in the woods nearly naked and it's not like he can quit without getting sued.
Remember directors nearly always do scenes multiple times ontop of failed takes it's not usually infact almost never one good take and there done. Plus they would probably be rushed on set because they would be losing the lighting they wanted.
You would probably refuse too lol
@@captainsebt Oh love! He wasn’t shaming Cole Sprouse! He was saying the writers do not care about making the script good because they just added a random whole new plot for shock value because of the scene. He was saying it’s ridiculous an extremely lazy comparing it to probably one of the most common ways of being lazy: not getting out of bed because they didn’t want to. Basically, the writers did not care about the plot at all because they didn’t want to. Most good writers plan ahead, unlike the ones from Riverdale.
Tbh, a lot of people wouldn’t put themselves in an uncomfortable situation like that 🤷♀️ I sure as hell wouldn’t! Cole had every right to say no.
@@amberblake99 I see than I misunderstood the original comment.
@@captainsebt Yeah I never said he didn't have the right to refuse, I was just saying the circumstances leading them to deciding such a crucial plot point are ridiculous
@@DragonHotCoffee sorry for misunderstanding.
“I’m so over the toxic masculinity in this hallway right now.” It was that bit of dialogue i realised it’s THE CW.
"I wouldn't be surprised if Archie boxed Thanos in space"
Roberto: WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN
I wouldnt ve suprised if that happens
@Nina Roberto, is that you?
I am literally crying 😂😂😂
You forgot the most important word: shirtless
I thought fans were talking about Archie getting attacked by a bear like a bear in a gay bar. I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS LITERAL, omfg
I feel bad for the cast. It's clear that they like working with each other and are friends, but hate being on the show because of it's terrible character writing.
it would be amazing if a really good team of writers decided to make a movie based on the archie comics, and cast the riverdale actors in it so they could work together again, but be able to play these characters well
It’s going to be hard for them to be taken seriously in hollywood i think
@@Itszahia
They just need some time for people to forget this mess of a show. They are good actors in their own right.
I mean look at Robert Pattinson landing a role as batman. No one would ever predict that Edward from twilight would ever land a role as the dark knight
@@andrester88 true, but sadly for most actors, they get one big gig and thats all they are known for. i wish them the best.
Lili and Cole will be fine for the most part, but the rest like of them like Camilla and KJ are only going to be seen as their Riverdale characters. It’s a mixed bag for Madelaine.
I think the only truly sad thing connected with this show was Luke Perry's death. It was sad and Fred Andrews was really the only adult in Riverdale who had any sense.
And that this was his final acting credit (to my knowledge) that sucks, he was a great actor on the show
Yeah, he’s the only sane and actual person in this show.
i friking loved fred andrews & luke perry in general. ugh🥺
This is just a guess; I think Luke Perry probably asked for decent writing for his character. Rest in peace to him.🙏❤
@@samanthanewman2183 His final acting credit was from Once Upon a Time... In Hollywood
as Wayne Maunder. RIP
Have I ever watched Riverdale? No.
Have I ever expressed interest in watching Riverdale? No.
Did I sit uninterrupted through the entire video instead of finishing my homework? Yes.
Same but the commentary is quite entertaining
Same, watching this as I do laundry and make dinner 😅
I remember the hype when the first season came out, but once season 2 came out I heard no mention of the show again , and watched it for myself just recently and I’ll be honest season 1 and 2 were great but the other seasons had so much going on I couldn’t keep up season 6 I remember passing out and waking up and hearing they have super powers and was beyond confused season 7 came around and it was ok but the ending was not what I was expecting, I expected it to end with jughead sitting in the diner writing and Archie Betty and Veronica come in like “hey jug you finish your story??” But no
What really sucks is that the longer the cast stays on the show, the more notorious they're going to get for playing that type of character until they're typecast as a trashy CW character.
Which is why I’m scared for them. Kj apa is kinda already stuck into this bc he seems to always play a singer
honestly i don’t think they care, they are making bank and a lot of them still get good jobs
@@bloodypadeater the girl who plays Cheryl was also in that god awful movie F the Prom written by the fine bros of all people
fr, hopefully their careers aren’t completely ruined
yea but it's not like they have a choice tbh. contracts are contracts
I think it's funny that Veronica calls her dad "Daddykins" and Archie "Archie-kins". There's some subtext on that relationship dynamic...
Ewww
I- oop
In defense of the comics, it's actually used as a running gag to show off how much of a spoiled brat and shallow person Veronica is, her friends even use the term to mock her for being out of touch with reality.
Which they should've dropped in the show, like never touched if they can't even write it cohesively in the plot even as a throwaway line.🤢
I totally agree with this. Ugh! I can think of better nicknames for Archie. Arch, A or Red. But Archiekins? Gross! Barf!
That's lifted right from the comics.
my favourite part of riverdale is how much lili reinhart hates riverdale. reminds me of robert pattinson and twilight all over again.
I think all the actors hate Riverdale at this point hahahah
@@jmcmontanheiro Lmao yup!! In the interviews, you can see them at least attempt to hide their hatred with some jokes or something but Lili just straight up trashes it each time and looks like she doesn't wanna be there XD
@@oracleofdelphiii I watched an interview where Kj apa and cole sprouse were just talking to each other through the whole thing and not paying any attention .....they really don't wanna be there lol.
I once saw a clip of an interview with Cole about the Heathers episode where he said "Well, at this point Riverdale is whatever it is from week to week..." he sounded so tired
I honestly question why they didn't quit the show yet
It’s honestly insane how talented thr cast is. Madeleine Petsch delivers a genuinely great performance in the episode “In Treatment”. Lily Reinhart is Great in everything I’ve seen her in.
As someone that was a not-like-other-girls "tragic author" type person in middle/high school, I feel like Jughead's narration could be a pretty accurate representation of a teenager convinced they're really good at writing deep, dark drama. It could have been funny if the writers weren't also convinced they were good at writing deep, dark drama...
Agreed
Completely agree!
Cole really survived his whole "Disney child" time without singing, just to end up doing it in a Riverdale episode with bad sound editing
Poor guy. They should have just let him be the drummer or something without forcing him to sing if they still wanted him to participate in these awful musicals.
Actually he did sing. He and Dylan were both in a Disney Stars rendition of A Dream Is A Wish Your Heart Makes.
@@anozyra I remember that video, but I think that both of them pretended to sing, they didn't actually do it? I'm not sure
@@belenbarria568 It was their real voices.
You forget about those Disney channel collars were they would sing old Disney movie songs like “a dream is a wish your heart makes” or friends for change
"Everything is about sex, except sex, which is about Riverdale."
Merchant guild assemble.
I'm gonna say this forever.
*swindles jin in glass* i see what you did there......
oscar my beloved
Nice to meet another member of the merchant's guild
Wait let me get this straight, the guy that made a screenplay so offensive that the Archie comic guys sent him a cease and desist so his screenplay wouldn't be shown ended up being hired to write for Netflix a show based on the Archie comics... if that doesn't tell you everything you need to know about the show 😂
I just have to imagine how Arcgies Actor was forced to break into the writers room to stop the director from casting the guy who played Dhalmer in the Dhalmer show, because he found out what Roberto might want to do with him...
He writes his gay characters as single minded hyper-sexual nothings because that's exactly what he is.
It’s sad. I’m sad.
Literally
Yeah Greg Is not a good storyteller
Yeah Greg is not a good storyteller.
@@hopekeeley2122 I'm sad, you're sad, It's sad.
Cheryl is not only the show's signature lesbian, she's also the show's homophobe.
That's such a bizarre combination of character traits.
The thing is, that could work. Internalized and structured(?) homophobia is a thing and specially gay people doesn't notice how they're being somewhat homophobic themselves, because sometimes it's something that's so common on our society that we don't see the problematics of it.
So, if the show actually talked about this, it could be a great way to show how homophobia is something so rooted in our society. Cheryl could learn from Toni or any other gay character that she shouldn't do or say somethings. That could even teach the audience how not to act. But nah, she's just a jerk
ive seen edits of cheryl and she radiates lesbian energy and this is coming from a lesbian
@@nattyism she surely does radiate lesbian energy (and I'm a lesbian myself), but her being lesbian doesn't have any major affect on her character, nor does her relationship with Toni or their breakups. It's almost like is just there to fill a checklist, because I can be totally erased and doesn't matter at all to the show or to the characters.
@Bille Nye The Russian Spy I am not sure, but as long as I'm aware, she only has romantic interest in women. She mentions a girl in her past that her mom took away from her, she was obsessed with Josie, and she got involved with Toni. I don't recall her mentioning having anything for a guy before, though, we are talking about 4 seasons with 12-23 episodes each, so maybe there's some information that I don't remember. I am sure that Toni is bi, but I am not sure about Cheryl's sexuality.
@Bille Nye The Russian Spy oh, you're right! I totally forgot about this, I guess because it came out of nowhere and it ended up being completely pointless, either way, you're welcome :D
This show is basically run on a team of some bad wattpad writers, I WOULDNT be surprised if most of their ideas came from scouring the worst fanfics to save the dead show
To be fair there are fanfics with a better plot than riverdale
Lol that actually makes so much sense! But like, they are reading the worst fanfics
@@nessyness5447 even the average MHA fic is better than Riverdale. At least fanfics know exactly what they are and roll with it.
@@Bighomie39 I read a fanfic where Hawks laid a damn egg and it was WORLDS better than this show.
@@alilordoftheskies5079 not even the first weird fanfic I've heard of where a fan favorite character laid an egg
Let’s all take solace in the fact that Archie Comics lost rights to the Sonic the Hedgehog comics otherwise Dr Eggman would’ve taken over Riverdale and Archie would have to stop him via collecting the Chaos Emeralds.
The secret is, Riverdale is a Soap-Opera. It has no plot, because it is a soap-opera. Everyone has a secret twin for no reason, because it is a soap-opera.
that explains a lot my friend.
at least in my country soap-operas are good...
That's not an excuse, there are pretty good Novelas out there
UK AND Australian soap operas have writers that obviously care about plot, character realism and sensitivities of serious subject matters they portray even if they're fast food television.
It's still bad. Hell, wrestling story lines (which are basically Testosterone fueled soap operas) are better than some seasons of Riverdale.
It's 100% Roberto and the crappy writers that are the ones ruining it. The film crew actually did a good job. The content they are filming is stupid but they make it look good. Like you mentioned, the visuals are great. The actors are attractive and I feel like a lot of them actually are good actors despite the content they are given to work with. I like them in other projects they are in and they are charismatic enough to carry the lame content the writers come up with repeatedly. It feels like I'm watching a game show where they take bad writing to see how well the actors can make it work and how far they can push the bad writing before they get the actor so annoyed they just throw out the script and quit.
Roberto needs to be in jail for how disgusting he is
I don't know about that acting part. Like yeah, the script is awful and the actors have shit dialogue to work with but even if the writing was stellar, I don't think we'd be getting amazing performances out of most of them. They're definitely CW level actors.
@@campbellsoup93 not necessarily true. Idk about the others but I know KJ Appa, Cole Sprouse, and Madeline Petche all star as the main characters in pretty big dramas of other projects and did well in all them. I think for the most part it’s definitely the script
Avoid saying lame as it stigmatises disability
@@candyshopdream if your talking abt archie 1. it’s a weird power dynamic and two he can’t consent because he’s a minor and mrs grundy was an adult. it wasn’t consensual, he was like 15 and she was 35
when the world needed him most, he delivered with a video about the worst show in the world
edit: i really want him to talk about once upon a time now
Batwoman says hello
Yessss
What makes it soo bad is that it had soo much potential....but apparently the writers think that a teen show can't be good 🙄
13 Reasons Why: Am I a joke to you?
@@hitelinho I was just gonna say that.
As someone who used to buy the comics as a kid and loved Melissa Joan Hart's Sabrina, I'm really glad this video exists. It satisfies my curiosity but also saves me hours of disappointment.
Same here 😂 I tried riverdale, got to the first episode of season two and felt too violent and disgusted to continue 😅 childhood totally crapped on 😭
@@LoreleiCatherine yeah if you're bothered by violence then the story definitely isn't worth trying wade through all that lol
"Roberto can talk all he wants about representation on the show, but the truth is if he can't sexualize that representation he doesn't care about it and doesn't mind erasing it." I am fan of this guy for saying this. Roberto Aguirre Sacasa just needs a good kick in the balls. I also hate him for turning the character of Archie- an intelligent, funny and engaging person to a one dimensional and dumb sex toy.
I bet this is why Jughead wasn't ace. Can't sexualize an asexual character.
Exactly
Kevin is basically the line "I'm too gay to function" in a human body.
Too horny*
Like his whole personality is being obsessed with getting laid. This show makes gay people look so bad and completely devoid of any element. So out of touch with reality.
@@stargirljules It's so baffling too because Kevin is a much more well-rounded character in the comics
PLEASE YES!!
@Booper Dooper I know that, my comments weren't @ the op's but the lazy writing and odd generalization in the show.
I feel so bad for the actors on riverdale. They are actually all very talented but have to deal with this shit. It's so sad. Also you forgot bad dialogue such as: "daddy", "daddykins", "archiekins", "TT", and "endgame"
The “bad dialogue” is meant to be ridiculous and over the top though. I don’t understand how this show has been on for six seasons now and people still talk about the “cringy dialogue” as if it’s not written like that on purpose. The writers on in on the joke. They’ve even given interviews talking about how they’ve laughed about how ridiculous they’ve taken things and how laughable certain things like Edgar and his rocket were. It’s the viewers that seem to be in the dark here.
@@TanyaBaxter if the viewer can't understand what you are doing to the point where they can't even see the satire then you are just a bad writer
@@TanyaBaxter It's gotten to the point where it gets tiring for even the cast. If this is supposed to be a satire, then the writers really don't get what it actually is. They just think they're doing something like it, but they brought up serious topics in the show season after season without even exploring in a tasteful or a smart way it like how a satire would.
@@dream-lh4pc There are viewers that see it though and I think the fact that so many people consistently talk about the “cringy dialogue” and outrageous storylines as proof that the show has jumped the shark or is “the worst on television!!!” shows that they are picking up on the elements that make it so but not realizing how. They are looking at it from the wrong angle, but they have the right pieces.
@@fsantos4199 Eh. Fair enough. I genuinely enjoy the show and am invested in it more than just finding it amusing but I still stand by the fact that the majority of people take it too seriously.
Roberto must have blackmail material on a couple of studio heads. That's the only explanation I can think of for why he keeps getting all these chances to screw up all these properties.
You did not get Hermione's actress to give a great speech about pulling through and staying strong just to use it to trash Riverdale 💀💀💀
Jokes aside, that was super adorable of her
I love your pfp
shes actually an absolute angel. she worked as an undercover op with the FBI for years to catch predators and traffickers of young children! she doesnt just say nice things, she takes action. legend.
@@SerahBay Based if true.
@@SerahBay are you serious rn bc im about to become her biggest fan
@@SerahBay That's pretty awesome if that's true
Okay but it's pretty hilarious to know that Cole Sprouse just straight up refused to do a lot of things on set, and it ended up affecting the plot in a major way. He's stuck in a contract but still has enough leverage to have boundaries - or maybe growing up a child star, he was forced to find out on his own that he _can_ say no to shit.
I'm intrigued! What did he refuse to do?
@@kristencurtis7031 he refused to do the throwing jughead's beanie into the fire. He was supposed to be in it but he didn't wanna so it changed s4 plotline
@@kristencurtis7031 As was said above, he refused to get in his underwear (on a cold Canadian day!) for that scene, which made it seem like he was dead and the season was written largely around that idea. He also refused to sing in the first musical episode because he felt like the Jughead he played just wouldn't do that. I think it worked well in the episode and added some variety and flavour and conflict. Too bad they got him to sing just like all the others in later musical episodes.
@@imaginekudryavka9485 and you can see in his performance that he's thinking "this is so cringey, I'd rather be fake killed off again" and at the same time "meh, they've already butchered my character anyway so i'll try to enjoy the song"
I can't believe Riverdale is both gay AND homophobic.
I usually see this joke on Twitter, but fuck, here is real
That's what happens when people try to tell a story that isn't theirs without consulting the community they're talking about. The writers end up using their own limited understanding, which is often also prejudiced if they're dealing with a marginalised group. The writer will only have the experience they learned from other media prejudiced media, so those tropes will come up over and over again. Like, the fact that Kevin was cruising for sex from the age of 16 in the woods? Made me fucking howl. The writers genuinely think gay guys still have to run around in the woods like it's the 80's in the Midwest.
If a real gay guy was knocking around the set or empowered to make any calls over the script, he probably would've vetoed that in favour of awkward car hook-ups or meeting up at someone's house, because that's what most gay teens do these days- a lot like straight teens. But there wasn't and so we end up with this cartoonish character of Kevin, who looks, acts and sounds like the 'sassy gay friend' or uwu fanfic characterisation of a gay guy that all these women thought they were going to tame and domesticate as a 'gay bestie' at college, and the male writers worried were going to hit on them.
@@darthzaida1881 Roberto, the showrunner, is gay tho. Honestly I think he suffers from the same issue Ryan Murphy had: favoring their beloved straight jock with a heart of gold (see Finn, Sam, Archie, etc). I don't know if it's because that's the kind of guy they are attracted to or they simply love that archetype but its something.
Yeah it is also queerbaiting- trying to attract a queer audience by appearing queer but not rejecting a homophobic audience by not really engaging in is
For example putting the fake lesbian kiss in the trailer hinting at an open queer relationship in the center of the plot, having queer sidekicks whose only characteristic is being gay- Betty's best friend and not showing queer scenes to the same extent as straight ones
@@rociohernandez3077 Oh, wow, shut me I up! I had no idea, I guess Roberto is just so bad at writing gay people he had me thinking he wasn't. What a talent.
Friendly Space Ninja and Alex Meyers need to do a collab on this. Both have suffered through this show and are great at condensing it in their own great way
Fun fact: "I'm weird I'm a weirdo" was the last domino in a chain that began with the 2008 writers strike. The writers strike forced Supernatural to end season 3 early, so they introduced Castiel to bring Dean back because his planned return was cut, so the show went on to queerbait Destiel, so a girl mentioned her bi Dean headcanon to a panel and Jensen Ackles was rude to her, so Britta Lundin wrote a fangirl power fantasy novel called Ship It based on the incident, so she got hired on Riverdale (directly because of the Ship It manuscript), and she wrote episode 1x10
this is the funniest and most insane thing i've ever read oh my god, i can't believe this is real 😭
Butterfly effect in action
Wtf if that's the true it's insane then 🤣
hello fellow Sarah z viewer
@@nightshadetq2453 Sarah Z is awesome, glad to see other people watching her.
I hate how the show’s creators take the characters names out of the Archie Comics and made a horrible show with confusing storylines and sexualizing teenages. The Archie comics was basically my childhood and I remember buying every comic at my local Walmart. The Archie comics would have been perfect for a comedy and slice of life show, but no, we have this garbage mess.
I honestly think this was everybody. I was pretty excited to watch too. Then when I watched it, I was like wtf is this? Lol I checked out after the first couple of episodes. When I watched another episode, Veronica was dancing on the other side of a prison’s gates? Then I never came back.
But just imagine a 90s era wholesome Archie universe, where Archie is just a regular sweet guy playing in a band with his best friends and has milkshakes at Pop's after school.
What did we do to deserve Riverdale?
Honestly i dont think the genre was the problem, it was just terribly handled, altho maybe youre right, archie wasnt a big part of my childhood, i think the only interaction i had with the franchise was archies mysteries.
I couldn't agree more. I was such a huge fan of the Archie comics in my teens. I hate the fact that there was absolutely no homage paid to such iconic characters. I'm not really sure if I trust that Aguirre was an obsessive fan... otherwise he would fight tooth and nail to give the best writing possible. The only semblance of similarity between the characters in the comics and on the show is the fact they try their level best to make the actors look like their respective characters. If Archie or Cheryl had blonde hair, Betty and Veronica were both brunettes, and Jughead didn't wear a beanie... I would think the show was The Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew combined when they were in their 30s. It was promising during the 1st season up until the 2nd... then it just went downhill from there... it was as if one good writer quits once a week. No true Archie comics fan would say the show was written well. It is ok to go a different route by going dark but as professional writers, they only had one job. Write well!
when i first heard of the creation of the show, i was hoping they would make each episode a stand alone recreation of the individual stories that made up the comics. or if not a recreation, something with the same feel, just high-school/friend group comedy stuff, a different story each episode
If anything, I thank riverdale for exposing us to great lines such as "I beg your misogynistic pardon". I half-unironically love that line.
Half-unironic love is the perfect way to describe my feelings towards that line lmaooo it’s kind of funny tbh
@@EF-kk3vh Cap.🧢
The delivery too
ryeyry i don’t know if i
Neither was that, paPi
Betty: Girl next door, the one who strives to do good, a friendly hand, a good person. Enjoys the small things in life. Loves her town and its citizens.
Riverdale: What if we made her a bitch.
Veronica: Passionate, if a bit brash. A tad materialistic, but her heart is bigger than her temper. Driven, unstoppable. "Can't do, sweetie" is not an acceptable answer.
Riverdale: what if we made her a bitch.
Cheryl: a cartoonishly evil mean girl who is known to be more than her nefarius deeds, in extremely rare occasions. Wants what she doesn't have, discards everything she uses. A total bitch you really like because you don't have to deal with hear.
Riverdale: the exact same thing, but somehow it's not fun anymore. So just a bitch.
Reggie: a dick you can't get rid off.
Riverdale: he's kind of fine. He's barely in the series, so the writters don't really do stuff to ruin him. He's kind of a better person, somehow.
Jughead: Aloof, but with a good heart. Loyal. Independent. Enjoys eating quite a lot and his truest love is tasty food. A no-nonsense kind of pal who still takes every opportunity he has to make a joke. Has a well defined moral code and, while he's strives for undertandment, he will not stand idle and let bad things occur if he has a chance to stop them.
Riverdale: what if we made him a bitch.
Archie: clumsy, but good hearted. A lovefool, a redhaired golden-retriever. Loves his friends and loves music and loves fun because the greatest thing to do in this life is to love. Guitars. Cars. Movies and comics too. The average guy who somehow fits in everywhere he goes. He'll just break a lot of stuff in the process.
Roberto Aguirre Sacaza: what if we made him MY bitch?
This is a PERFECT summary of Riverdale
Ok but Kevin calling everyone “Gen Z” after calling them “Millennials” is actually super relatable and probably the most realistic part of this garbage fire show
People who are born in the inbetween generation just claim which ever one that’ll benefit them at the time
@Anna Niedziela There is lol
@@cadencevancel959 lool i lowkey. I just let ppl decide what I am, and play along
@@cadencevancel959 as a zillenial, truuuu
@Anna Niedziela there actually kind of is. Some sources say that Gen Z started in 1995 and other say that it stared in 1997. There's two years worth of uncertainty there. It's kinda like how if you're birthday is on the 22nd or 23rd, figuring out your Zodiac can be a little bit iffy.
If Robert Pattinson can go from Edward Cullen to Batman, I have faith that the Riverdale cast can somehow claw their way up from this.
Esp Lily… boyyy I hope she gets outta there
@@FrancescaS. she deserves so much better
Well, the women at least
I rally want to se Kj Appa as Daredevil, he look like him from the clssic cómics
Twilight is not as bad as riverdale. At least it had a cohesive plot
And another sad fact about Dark Betty,
Lili reinhart herself is open about her struggles with mental illnesses and yet Roberto shows no compassion and trashes the issue on her, despite being full aware of this. How crappy can you get?
I remember reading Lili coming forward with her sexual assault trauma. So I can imagine how uncomfortable she was being sexualized like that.
Well, actors gotta act though.
You can base your scenario around the actors, it's the other way around.
@@ksh2596 They shouldn't be forced to do things they aren't comfortable with. It's a human rights violation.
@@summerrose8110 If it's part of a character and isn't vile then what? Are writers supposed to take everything thing every actor doesn't like and compromise their vision to satisfy them?
No one is actually forcing them to do the job.
I get your point, and it's very humane and compassionate, but ultimately it's beside the point. Writers don't write for actors to feel good. Productions don't work for actors, it's the other way around.
@@ksh2596 Writers should have more consistency for the show and not force actors to do things they're uncomfortable with. And stop having 20 year olds play teens and sexualizing them. I hate seeing that it is disgusting.
I love how Marisol’s advice is just a nice way of saying “touch grass”