I am very, VERY disappointed that the show didn't end with a 2D animated Jughead telling the story to his classmates with all of them baffled by what the hell they just witnessed.
It's insane yeah - and I hate to use this word - but it's also kinda based tbh. If I knew RAS wasn't such a bad writer and Riverdale wasn't a mess, he would've been a genius for it (like someone said, it fits the comics)
Riverdale managing to nuke not only its own universe/continuity but also that of like 10 separate shows is the most Riverdale thing ever and ngl I kind of admire it
Ikr like I thought they did that so they could have some characters from other shows crossover into the final season for some fan service. But no they just did it for no reason but to just throw the characters into a newish setting and not have to worry about the story of the last 6 seasons haunting them.
When you mentioned Lili carrying the finale, I realized I have an intense desire for her to have a long and fruitful career now that she’s free of the monster
@@alightthatnevergoesoutWas the movie bad cause of her or cause the script was bad? Cause the first has implications for her talent as an actor and the second is just the same thing she did in Ricerdale, acting with a bad script, and she has proven to be good in those situations.
@@otttimon5654 Fair question, the script was awful. I was more-so just saying that her career outside of Riverdale isn’t off to a great start. Not having a crack at her acting.
@@alightthatnevergoesoutYeah unless she is in something that’s special she is basically fucked because all it takes actors being in something terrible and people won’t treat them like they have real talent.
The first season wasn't perfect, but it had so much potential. I firmly believe the show would've been better if they just stuck to the premise of "aesthetic small town who done it murder mystery but teenagers are the detectives."
I thought season one was fantastic. The show was aesthetically just beautiful, the mystery was intriguing, the feeling of being suspended in time in that town where everything is both old and new just added to the eerie, dreamy feeling. That season can be watched on its own and if you pretend it ended there, it's enjoyable. I don't know what drugs people responsible for the show started taking but I've never seen anyone drop the ball like that. The devolution of this show is one of the most bizarre things that's happened with any tv show on television. Even weirder than Family Matters morphing from a family sitcom to a zombified Steve Urkel hellscape.
That's the exact premise of about a hundred other shows, though. And Riverdale S1 was a mediocre example of it. At least they did something original by leaning into the crazy.
@@MaialeenYou described the feeling I used to get from season 1 of Riverdale perfectly. There was just this vibe that kept you on the edge of your seat. Even the eerie music of the title screen matched up to it all.
“Season 6 ends with Cheryl saving Riverdale from a magical comet.” Like, I KNOW that Riverdale’s storylines have been absolute insanity for years now, but I still can not wrap my mind around the fact that this is the same show that started out as this silly little murder mystery 😭😂
Best part, she apparently got the power to stop the magic comet, by absorbing the powers of the main cast, cause yes for that season, the entire main cast had powers, they gave it to Cheryl to save the world
We gotta appreciate these actors who did such a professional job of keeping a straight face and staying in character throughout most of the series even when the show was completely bonkers x) We could see by the end of season 6 that they were so tired of it, but in s7 it's like the light came back in their eyes, they knew the end was coming and they were so happy to be free at last!
The foursome is so funny not only as a bold choice to just _not making anyone choose_ but also by the fact that they made a point of not having jughead and archie being intimate. Like, the effort to not let cole sprouse be queer on screen after just erasing jughead's asexuality
I *love* how Roberto was so passionate about bringing LGBT+ representation into Riverdale, and yet completely erased Jughead's canon asexuality. Almost like he didn't actually care and just wanted to sexualize a bunch of teenaged characters.
Yeah, the Jughead thing is why I could never just watch Riverdale to have fun with how bad it was even as many of my friends did, lol. As an aroace person who was a huge fan of archie comics (and specifically jughead) it was just too frustrating
@@maevem316It's crazy because in the beginning of the season when Jughead lost his memories, it felt like he was finally being portrayed as asexual. I remember when Veronica was hosting the makeout party, he looked visibly disinterested. He was obsessed with comics, food, and being a writer. I remember the scene where he took her to the movie theater and ordered enough snacks for a group of people and asked Veronica is she wanted any. I hate how asexual people are left out of the queer community! Side note: I actually wouldn't have minded if Jughead and Ethel ended up in an asexual relationship. They had good character interaction this season.
@@onceyouseeityoucantunseeit1126 I think a lot of writers when it comes to representation, only write what they find hot consciously or not. It's a limitation when it leads to certain groups of people being excluded.
What would have been cool for Riverdale was each season should have been a different year (1950s, 2017 ect.) with different love interests, storylines, murder who-dun-it, villians, and character arcs. And then MAYBE something besides MAGIC could have tied the whole show together. 😊
@@AbisexualCarpenterif it's entertaining enough (which Riverdale was at times) then it's fine and could've worked out I guess. It'd def be a hit or miss season kind of show but the plotlines would've way less convoluted even if they still were batshit crazy (like AHS)
honestly, the whole concept of the final season is EXACTLY what I always wanted as a kid growing up obsessed with archie comics. Just a funny sitcom type show about fashionable teenagers in the 50s going to the beach and the diner and school dances. It's disappointing and feels like a waste that they didn't just do that from the start, it would have been so much better imo
That's me with the Winx live action. I wanted a colorful, girly, glittery fairy world with pretty and fashionable teenage girls saving the world, like the cartoon. And all we got was 2 seasons of, whatever grunge-y mess Netflix decided to put out.
@@nikeolas I was just thinking about that the other day because that show was also so disappointing!! where is the glittery fairy adventure why is it so angsty and dull 😭
After living 80+ years, why would meeting up with people you really only hung out with in high school be what you want to do after your death? It would be one thing if the story had them continuing their close friendship post school, but its weird if they all split after graduation. What does that say about the quality of relationships they had as adults? Especially since the reboot season meant they didnt have the bonds from living through all the wild stuff in the first 6 seasons.
Yeah and Archie and Betty had families too. Wouldn't Archie prefer to spend the afterlife with his wife and kids? Or Betty with his daughter and granddaughter? What about Toni and Cheryl? They're together but wouldn't they feel their son is missing? After all, they lived more years as his mothers than together without him. I'll be damned if when dying of old age, after living a long and fulfilling life full of wonderful people, friends, lovers, a husband and kids, I end up in the afterlife as a teenager joined exclusively by all my high school friends lmao.
for real though, and itäs also strange they never kept in touch even though they all went into arts and publishing and became super successful. You're telling me they never crossed paths? Isn't networking like the main thing in such industries? lol
I mean, they did remember the first 6 seasons, kind of... I'm wondering what exactly they actually remember, because "good stuff" can be a lot of things... sure, having fun is good, but so is being supported by your friends when you're sad... anyhow, yeah their adult relationships must've sucked apparently😬
Thank you Roberto for inspiring and teaching a generation of future writers to know that no matter how much self doubt they feel, no matter how bad their work might be, no matter how many edits they have to go through, to be rest assured that it could be worse. At least they had nothing to do with the writing on Riverdale.
Honestly whenever I feel bad about my own writing, I remember shows like this exist (for so damn long), and then I am reminded that it could infact be so much worse :) At least what I do stays consistent and you don't have to sit here like "...Are these the same characters?? Is this the same story??" Honestly mind blowing how bad writing can be allowed in shows still. Honestly flabberghasted.
I've seen the show on and off over the years, and I never fully understood why KJ Apa had gotten the lead role until I saw clips from the last season. He's much more endearing as the final season's version of Archie, and it showcases his charisma as an actor in a way it just never did with the more "serious" versions of Archie. It's unfortunate that it took this long for the show to give him the opportunity to do that.
i’m dreaming of him doing rom-coms/comedic roles, i loved him to bits in season 7!! meanwhile i lowkey hated his character in all the previous ones and the acting felt much more forced :(
50s Archie was so much fun and I feel sad for Apa to have waiting so long for this. He nailed it! (and dear god they did not let Archie nail his teacher this season)
Archie, Betty, Jughead, and Veronica getting into a quad relationship doesn’t even surprise me. Roberto had to get one last fantasy he had in there before the show ended
I'm honestly not even surprised that it ended up with the four core all dating each other. It's on point for this ludicrous show. At least the cast are finally freed from the shackles of bizarre plots and mediocre writing.
Honestly my favourite thing about this finale was after all that teasing, two different ships, and a poly relationship, the woman Archie ends up with doesn't even get named in the episode. He just met some girl in Calafornia he settled down with, and we never even learn her name.
This feels like a non ending almost like a shrug like your dad telling you a story as a kid and they don't know how to end it and just shrugs going "I don't know they all go their seperate ways"
@@andreeab2948 he's kinda just a nothing actor? Like I don't think he's a BAD actor necessarily but god he thinks far too highly of himself for the mediocrity that he provides.
I’ve been saying this for years: I think Riverdale is a choose your own adventure story so the actors and writers never know what’s coming up. It’s based on the choices of…someone. A poll somewhere online? Rich people? The producers?
Honestly I respect the dgaf attitude towards the last season. Truly the greatest example of "how tf do you manage to crash and burn something thats already a burning wreckage"
My Grandma told me one time she was browsing on tv and saw Riverdale and she wanted to "see what was up with Archie and the gang" as she put it, but I guess she ended up watching right in the middle of some serial killer sex stuff which she probably wasn't expecting at all. I just remember her being so surprised and so disappointed when she mentioned it, suddenly coming across this review reminded me of her. Wonder how she'd react to the superpowered witch MCU multiverse ending.
An underrated detail of the finale is that among Archie's accomplishments YEARS LATER was that he was an amateur writer. He was never great to begin with, but I love that everyone else gets a hyperbolic take on their season seven arcs and Archie is still just mediocre at the thing he's supposedly most passionate about.
Goodbye, Riverdale. The cast & crew, you all suffered so much, and I thank you for your sacrifice. You embodied chaos in its purest form, and your trainwreck was interesting to watch. The ending was peak fanfiction, and I don't think anyone would've had it any other way. I'm glad you noticed Riverdale, you're weird, you're a weirdo. But you embraced the weirdness till the very end.
@@marielaberge8236 Well the show is over, so Roberto doesn't care I bet. Even though, he brought her back to life off-screen. So she's gone now. I wonder how fans of that show feel now.
@@marielaberge8236does that mean that everything that happened in Sabrina no longer exists as well? Or should be be expecting a ‘50 style reboot of TCAOS in a few years?
@@Kitfistiher parents were russian spies trying to build a bomb with palladium (???) and had this ancient God’s statue, not sure what the hell they did with it tho. The thing i’m still wondering is if they’re russians WHY NANA ROSE IS NOT WHO IS SHE (sorry i’m passionate about it i finished watching yesterday my brain is still fucked)
I have a theory that pretty much every franchise that runs long enough and switches creators becomes fanfiction eventually. Fans of the series take over and in a lot of ways it's not that different. But the tropes and cliches of fanfiction as the internet novellas, with it's meta celebration of the fandom, don't really work in film and TV. Especially not something that's supposed to be the official original content.
@@rvawildcardwolf2843 man, I feel like Supernatural got absolutely lousy with fan pressure. The writers were clearly mad about it even while giving into it over and over, and some of their feelings about the fandom bled through. It got pretty toxic, iirc
I wish the whole show was 50's Archie. It was such a better idea, kinder idea, and could have had so many of the fun storylines from the comics. Riverdale of the future was strange and evil.
Strange and evil was what made it fun. Season 7 had such cookie-cutter storylines we've seen a million times before that I could barely keep myself awake watchign it.
I interpreted the ending differently! After Jughead’s speech we hear typing- I thought this was like the very first episode when he began writing the ‘Riverdale’ story- so technically nothing we saw was true, and in fact we are all still in the storyline from Season 1 with Jughead creating the storylines we see in every season
I’ll never understand why they didn’t make this show into an anthology from then beginning. The Archie catalogue is HUGE so much to work with and they chose to set it at some dudes high school for seven years. Like there’s a whole set of comics where they’re zombies! Zombies and we had to deal with love triangles and daddy issues for almost a decade. Annoying.
The mental gymnastics you have to perform in order to listen and comprehend whats happening in this show is insane. And the moment Dylan started explaining the plot I couldnt stop laughing.
Alex Meyers and Friendly Space Ninja, thank you for all the bravery you’ve shown covering this show extensively. A moment of silence for all the collective brain cells who were departed too soon.
It's not that deep. People are allowed to like things you don't. I know, shocking. And no brain cells were lost watching the show because it's just a show and I am not even a fan of Riverdale. I just think people are overreacting
It's just so clear that RAS wanted to merge Sabrina and Riverdale together years ago, and really lean into the supernatural elements early on. Make a supernatural mystery the core of each season.
If you look at this show as a wattpad fan fiction that started off strong but the writer got depressed so they just wrote down whatever to fill chapters and just used the fan fiction to cope with their own life and come up the most ridiculous things possible to then feel bad they completely stopped trying so they wanted to start trying again at the very end but the story has become so crazy that they don’t know how to make it better and they didn’t want to start over so decided to just reset everything without resetting everything and just end it but only tried to give that reset an ending Vs the whole fic, then the show is pretty watchable
I really think if they had gone the anthology route this show could have been way more than it was. If each season was it's own story, with the same characters spread over different times, with new challenges and goals and each season being it's own complete story RAS could have told dozens of different stories with these characters without falling all over himself to make everything that didn't fit make sense. Imagine at the end of season 1, no shooting just the four main characters enjoying milkshakes. And then season 2 hits, maybe it's set in the 70s and the Black Hood holds up Pop's Diner and we get to try and figure out who the Hood is with everyone more or less at new start positions. They aren't the same characters so you really have no idea who it could be. Season 4 could be the Organ trafficking ring set 20 years into the future. Season 5 could be about witches set in the 1800s, etc... It would hardly be breaking new ground but it would have meant RAS could tell his insane stories without giving everyone an aneurysm. And, since every season the characters would be stripped down to their base component parts everyone would be a suspect, everyone would be discovering things about themselves. And, since a lot of people attach themselves to certain characters it would be a great way to mess with people's perceptions of themselves. A lot of people identify with Jughead as he was in season 1, someone who was going through a hard time and had to focus a lot on basic survival, like keeping a roof over his head. But what if in season 2 he comes from an affluent family and was as entitled as Cheryl or Veronica? Would he still be as beloved?
36:26 In Season 6, during the Rivervale episodes, there were two Jugheads. The Jughead who's telling us the story, (and referred to as Narrator Jughead) and the Jughead who's inside of the story. Basically, I'm saying that the Jughead who guided Betty throughout the finale is Riverdale's Narrator Jughead. The Jughead who's been telling us the story of Riverdale since its very first episode.
@@gmrb5249the show was narrated by Jughead, in season 6 there was a storyline were in a different universe a version of Jughead was hidden away writing the story. It's likely that is the Jughead old Betty is with
@@marina.chayka That Jughead was not only the narrator but the writer of the story. He had to be writing endlesly to Riverdale and Rivervale not to colapse. So I assume he stoped writing when Tabitha erased the timelines and just went free. (Because being the writer of the story makes him even supperior to Tabitha, I suppose xD)
Is it weird that I can't help but respect Riverdale for its absolute crackhead direction? There's something impressive about how a show this long-running and so big could get so far by being absolute batshit bananas.
I've never watched a minute of Riverdale, but honestly hearing about it makes me so intrigued. It's almost like RAS wanted to pull off a years-long prank and actually managed to do it before the studio (hypothetically would have) decided to step in. I have to respect that level of tenacity and obnoxiousness.
I watched all 7 seasons, and at times it definitely got bad, but I liked the ending. The very last scene where everyone is reunited in the diner, seems so appropriate to the source material. They will spend eternity, forever 17, living their happy lives in Riverdale, just like the comics have been for the last 80+ years.
The contrast between watching Nancy Drew (which aired before Riverdale every week) to Riverdale was insane. Like, ND got no promotional material whatsoever and was getting almost double the views every week compared to Riverdale which was flooded with promos by the CW. This week when they both ended felt like the end of the CW truly and seeing the two different reactions from each fandom made me glad I kept watching every week.
@randywhite3947it has flaws but it does what Riverdale tried to do with the crazy mysteries and magic and such better. Season 1 had one of the wildest mysteries and a sorta self awareness you would not expect for a CW show. I do hate how one romance turns out but its CW a happy stable deepning couple is like not to be lol
You can really tell how much a network doesn't care about a project when so little promo goes into a show that people don't even know said show ended or even still *existed.* I never watched Nancy Drew (I gave up on the CW after S3 of The Flash and didn't watch any of their shows after that), but I had been so sure that it had been cancelled because I never saw any promo about it featured *anywhere* online. Out of curiosity, is it worth checking out?
@@MissJasmine305 It absolutely is! It's plagued by the normal CW / teen drama problems and the fact it had a slashed episode count right of the bat (thanks CW -_-), but the main cast is all likable, the mysteries (especially s1) are really solid, and it's just a really fun show with a focus on found family. I literally didn't know the show existed until after the season 3 and I wish I could have experienced it all as it aired cos its imo one of the better shows to have come out of the CW.
Thanks for treating us to two videos so close together, Ninja. I'm looking forward to seeing the cast move onto bigger and better projects. At least it kept them working for almost a decade, and I'll miss seeing You Tubers like you and Alex Meyers gloriously roast it.
I'd love to see someone talk about The 100 that had an insanely bad ending. The series had a such a good start but turned to insanity after few seasons. SPOILERS How does teens that try to survive on apocalyptic earth kill all of humanity while basically becoming gods themselves at the end make any sense?? Who thought that would be a satisfying ending
This entire last season just feels like a fanfic, complete with the writer's fav pairings. That last episode is like an end note with the other plot the writer didn't want to write. Fits with what we know about Roberto and his past with the source material...
I was very pleased because I was a big hater of the shipping side of the fandom and was at this point hoping nobody gets an endgame as a penalty for fighting about them all the time
Ah yes, polyamorous relationships, the simplest type of relationship to be established in no time whatsoever. Famously very easy to organise and establish in both real life and fiction. It's wild. Ending love triangles in a polycule is the joke/ideal suggestion, but most people want to actually, y'know, see that happen. Not have it done off screen.
It always pisses me off how poly people are so villified in shows, too. Or how people are like 'but we can't be together because...we forgot polyamory exists and love isn't a finite resource'.
You know what would be so fun? If they all had their memories wiped (just like it is in s7) and the plot(?) is the same... except in very random moments they reference stuff from 2023. And it gives you this unnerving feeling that something is off, even to the characters. And they, slowly, realise that theyre not in the right era. Conflicts happen, some characters prefer this era over the other yada yada yada. In the finale, they come back to their period.
There were so many anachronisms left and right that I really thought that's where they were going, but in the end none of that happened. It's a shame, it would have been fun.
@@mmbaszak5028And Everything Everywhere All at Once. Like, when a movie about a woman trying to connect with her daughter being thrown into a Multiverse chaos understands what makes a multiverse story great more than a movie that has Multiverse in the title (we know which one), we know the world is getting crazier 🤗😅.
I had to pause at the halfway point because it is unreal to hear that they used one of the most self-indulgent fanfic tropes in a TV series that airs on cable television and it didn't get eviscerated on the cutting room floor. Love triangles, kitschy character/relationship dynamics, even fan-service are all one thing, but having your characters watch their own television show in a group together just to see their reactions? Never would have guessed. The pilot and these videos are the extent to my engagement with the Riverdale TV show and even after hearing all of what has gone on these past seven seasons, it's the watching your own series to remember your past that is tripping me up the most. Kudos to you Friendly Space Ninja for diving back in to finish chronicling this series.
I've enjoyed "The characters watch their own show" fanfictions. But things that work in internet fandom aren't the same as what works for Original fiction.
This show is what happens when you have a writer's room filled with fanfic writers more interested in making PG-13 fetish material with a cast of hot twenty-somethings than with telling a coherent story. It was the cinematic embodiment of the phrase "no thoughts, just vibes".
You've never read fanfic dude, fanfic can be really really good. This feels like people who were entitled and never got criticism on their writing going ahead and helming a show.
Maybe it’s just me and I’m overthinking it but the way Toni and Clay are written in the last season puts a weird taste in my mouth? Like of course depicting Black queer joy is really important but there’s something weird and tone deaf to me about the way they’re both so open and confident in their sexualities and exist to support their white partners through their coming outs as though being Black and queer in the 50s wouldn’t have been incredibly terrifying?? It feels like Roberto said intersectionality? Don’t know her. Like they’re manic pixie dream POCs or something. Idk I didn’t know where to put this comment so I’m putting it here but I would love to know if other people feel this way or if I’m going crazy lol
Thank you. I just thought, “ok 50s, I hope Toni is ok and this black dude too”. But I guess, until the bitter end the black characters are throwaway or 2 dimensional. What would have been interesting is seeing the pussycats as a throwback reference but nah. This show sucks
Roberto doesn’t know how to write black women. They only exist for one of two reasons. They’re like Tabitha from Original Sin who just talk about how white people are bad and have no other personality or character traits. Or they’re just like Tomi who are just there to prop up their white counterparts.
YES thank you. That's exactly how I felt too. They served us a glossy whitewashed version of the 1950s where people like Clay and Toni could have been open about who they are as POC living in a small town, without getting lynched. That's not how it would have gone down. And you're so right, their only role in season 7 was to support their white partners' coming of age stories. Notice how we know Kevin and Cheryl's 1955 families (even Kevin's mum who up until now had never appeared on the show) but we know nothing of Clay's and Toni's. Toni's kid has vanished into thin air. They even retconned Toni's ethnicity from Native American to black without batting an eyelid, like POC's ethnicities are interchangeable, so Toni's family who we had met before don't exist anymore. I know the actress is Tanzanian and mixed-raced but Toni Topaz isn't. And poor Pop didn't get a single line this season. They even killed him off and closed down his business, when in the original timeline he was happily retired and living his best life. I hate season 7 so much.
Roberto did a nonsensical time travel storyline in “Chilling Adventures of Sabrina” too. (Among other unforgivable things). He’s got some terrible obsessions with otherwise harmless tropes.
Exactly. More love triangles need to end in polyamory. That's not the problem. The problem is that the Riverdale writers don't plan anything in advance and so it got basically no development and felt cheap. But, then again, that's literally this whole show. I need more shows with good and well developed poly relationships.
While some of the harems who do are more than questionable, I appreciate stuff like Otome Game Sekai wa Mob ni Kibishii Sekai desu that have interesting romance stories and show well-paced/good polyamorous relationships from poorly-paced/bad ones. I get it healthy polyamorous are rare but its like...if you're going to drag out this love triangle and make it sorta obvious there is a toxic element or who the lead character is going to end up with, why have them? If its thematic okay sure, Wheel of Time has a triple goddess vibe with it by the end and a solid twist at the end (basically each wife of the main character represented his past, present, and future in interesting ways.) But this Riverdale? Really? Just a cope out back-tracked quad relationship? Why not just throw Cheryl in cause she was the fifth wheel of the show for so long anyways!
Gave up on the show since well after the time jump and I don't like swapping the race, gender or sexuality of characters who were established as something else including the quadruple or Cheryl, but WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree!
That's the worst anwser one can come up with. For starters, it's the coward's way out: you wrote a love triangle and you're afraid of whatever pairing you choose being the wrong one, so you choose both. Second, it's unrealistic: poligamous relationships never last in real life because, surprisingly, the relationships that form part of it always end up breaking up. Third, it's gross: at that point what you have is not a relationship, it's an orgy group. I once read a series of 9 books called Forged Destiny or something in the span of 4 years that was really good, but the series took a dive in quality in the last 2 books because readers kept harrasing the author due to the fact that he introduced a love triangle of sorts in the 8th book (The roots were there since the 3rd book TBH) and fans of the pairing kept demanding for him to make their favorite couple canon. The last book was about all the countries of the world bunkering together against a siege by the literal forces of evil and, I kid you not, two thirds of the story is dedicated to the love triangle while thousands die defending the citadel they were at, and then the last chapter and epilogue were about how the love triangle decided to become a polygamous relationship. NOBODY was happy with that and let the author know it. Moral of the story being that taking the polygamous route leaves no one happy (Except maybe people that like anime).
what I love about the ending is the amount of people tweeting (x’ing?) about the fact that Jughead and Archie were supposedly in a quad-relationship without ever having kissed on the show. KJ Apa has definitely kissed male actors on the show so people are saying it’s Cole’s fault 😭😭
@@lsamoa I think the problem people had was more that the show was perfectly willing to show Jughead/Betty, Betty/Veronica, Archie/Veronica, etc: basically every potential couple *except* the MLM one. And with Roberto's... unfavourable track record with queer representation, it felt to a lot of people like the only reason they showed Betty/Veronica was that WLW relationships are seen as "hot" by a lot of male audiences and creators, unlike MLM ones. To a lot of people it sort of cemented/highlighted the idea that Riverdale is pretty performative in its "activism", and that it only shows relationships that its creators/writers see as hot
@@oranges7706 Yes I get that and I agree, Riverdale is all about performativity when it comes to these questions. But concretely for Jughead and Archie to have a credible romantic relationship at this point, there would have needed to be some cues to it earlier. Reggie and Archie would have worked, since they had a threesome together and have been shown as close to one another in the 50s, but not Archie and Jughead. It would have been too late in the season to have them develop feelings for one another. They barely even interacted during this season as it is.
@@lsamoa I suppose. I haven't watched the show since, like, S3 (?) so I'm not fully caught up on the lore and everything; but then that's just a testament to the bad writing, if anything: if they're going to have a quad relationship, they should at least have _some_ interaction between all the members, even if it's not romantic 🤷♀️ Bad rep or bad writing: _Riverdale_ chose both lol
@@oranges7706 Jughead and Archie barely interacted during most of season 7 and there hasn't been any explanation for it. It's one of the things I've hated about this season. Most likely when they got their memories back (long story), they finally remembered they were friends. Then they'd go on double-dates with the girls during senior year and both sleep with them (separately), but there's never been any romantic vibe between the two of them. Archie and Reggie however watched gay porn together and had a threesome with a middle-aged prostitute (at the age of 15... lots to unpack there but it's OOT). So if any of the boys would have hooked up later, it would have been the two of them, not Archie and Jughead.
I was thinking this throughout the video! Archie kinda gives me the vibes like in the movie Love Guru, where they edited Mike Myers' head onto a child's body to show the character as a child (it was very intentional comedy). I feel like the camera lens or something to do with shooting the series, isn't helping either. KJ Apa just really outgrew the teenage character. And I'm not saying he looks old. I'm saying he doesn't look like a teenager. He looks his age.
It's so weird that the end of the season three 90s flashback with the parents had a more satisfying way of explaining how the parents ended up where they did than the SERIES FINALE
Riverdale might be one of the last shows to be allowed to jump the shark and dip in quality. It's a lot more common now for series to be axed if they don't pull in numbers that these studios want, even if the show is really fucking good. In a way, it concluding marks the end of an era. With many good shows being cancelled at best and taken off of streaming services at worse, it's a sad feeling that regard.
Part of the reason why it was allowed to do like that because the show heavily reliant on Netflix streaming numbers & international viewership. For those who don't know, the show is exclusively distributed by Netflix in some region outside US which simulcast with the US TV broadcast.
Does anyone remember Josie McCoy is supposed to be Kevin’s step-sister? Nope? Only me? I don’t think they exchanged more than ten lines of dialogue in the entire show. Even the writers seem to have forgotten that, because they paired Kevin’s dad up with Archie’s uncle, perhaps because a gay relationship in the 50’s is more believable than an interracial one
Teen Wolf the Movie was a much bigger burn at that show. I never watched Teen Wolf nor the movie it's based on. Nor that movie's sequel. But I love the show because of how interesting it is and his reaction to the show's decision making.
Riverdale kinda reminds of Glee in a way. A normal show about highschoolers that went off the rails and basically re-set itself by the last season. Except Glee did a finale right and it was an enjoyable and heartfelt finale that for the most part fans are happy with.
I can see them similar in that respect. But I can understand WHY Glee made it's bad decisions based on the pressures of running a successful show. For the Life of me I can't understand how the writers came up with a lot of this stuff for Riverdale except for throwing things against the wall and seeing what stuck. Like I can understand the New York time of Glee because the show was a juggernaut nobody wanted to stop. They needed to take Rachel there, but instead of giving Lea Michelle a spin-off they split the show, and had a hard time balancing it back. But I cannot for the life of me figure out How a Dungeons and Dragons cult/gang almost took over Riverdale. Or how they suddenly developed Superpowers. Glee had bad writing decisions from outgrowing it's premise and plans. It was a victim of it's own success. Riverdale had schizophrenia.
Excuse my French but it really fucking sucks that the only character who didn't get a reboot was Jughead. Of course the only character who remains a broody, egocentric modern version is one of the rare canon asexual characters we have in media who was completely robbed from us at the start of the show. I've been watching media my entire life and I've only seen a single asexual character on screen, ever. And they just botched the chance to give us that with Jughead. Which wouldn't have been this weird since two characters were put back in the closet so obviously they were fine exploring sexuality again. But an asexual character in the 50's would have been so good. This feels like such a slap in the face when you're ace and there just literally zero representation, ever, in anything.
Babe you're nun as far as I aware literally no one trying kill you or hate you because you're ace . The whole point of representation nonsense is raise awareness that people of other sexuality is exist . Why are you bitching ace people get no representation since no one cares about your sexuality or think that's bad . Voluntary celibate were respected by majority eastern society for centuries.
Are you talking about Todd from BoJack Horseman? That's one of the only canon ace characters I can think of, and his story was handled SO WELL (I'm ace too!!)
It sounds like this being the last season was treated as an opportunity to adapt the comics without having to worry about audience and executive response.
See, the poly relationship could've been so interesting to explore if it wasn't just thrown there as a last ditch effort to satisfy their audience. I've never seen a show handle polyamory and honestly it'd be nice to see how they do it.
artemis fowl did "it ends by jogging the main character's memory by starting the entire story from the opening of book 1" first and better and more emotionally impactful
I mean from season 1, it always kinda feels that way doesn't it? Betty the main character who actually does shit, Jughead the narrator and Archie and Veronica just exist.
It feels kinda bittersweet that the show has finally ended. Had lot's of fun memories either making fun of it or just being bewildered at their ideas. I'm wishing the best to the cast though!
this last season being described like this feels very much like someone who just spent WAY TOO LONG on a bender doing all sorts of crazy things and trashing places and all, and then at the end they come back to the people they hurt being like "hey, can you forgive me for going wild, since you had fun at the party I threw that trashed the entire plot of land it was on? Pwetty pwease? 🥺"
Since you skipped a few episodes in Season 7, you missed that they kept name dropping the play "Our Town" in a handful of episodes. The Series Finale takes straight from the third act of Our Town--where the female protagonist after having died is given the chance to relive one day in her life that she chooses--which she does accompanied by the "Stage Manager" who has a quasi-angelic by way of rural New England presence about him. Throughout which the female protagonist dwells on the future of the people she encounters as well as eventually comes to realize that people don't appreciate the simple joys of life while living it--and how terribly sad that is. TLDR: The series finale is just a Riverdale adaptation of Our Town's Act 3.
I think Betty actually turned into the main character throughout the seasons, every season (the last excepted) has this mystery that is the A plot and Betty and Jughead are always the ones trying to solve the mystery. We start the first episode in Betty‘s bedroom looking through Archie‘s window and we revisit it in the last almost full circle. So yeah Betty is the main character and Jughead is the narrator I think that’s why he remembers everything. The same way Tabitha exists as Tabitha and as a guardian angel, Jughead exists as Jughead and as a narrator (like the Jughead from Rivervale). So yeah that’s why I think this episode circles around them
I find it weird that the whole finale episode was centered around Betty when Archie is supposed to be the main character of the entire show and we were just told his ending instead of seeing it.
Even when Archie was seemingly leading storylines Betty would end up the protagonist. The Black Hood arc starts out Archie focused but it’s Betty who ends up in the game of psychological cat and mouse with the killer (who is retconned into being her father). Betty and Jughead drive the plot more than Archie does because it feels like the writers both didn’t settle on how to handle the character and wanted to keep KJ Apa retaining a buff physique to show off sans shirt.
i liked that they just got to have a lot of fun with the characters and explore a load of different dynamics and just enjoy themselves for their last season together, it’s very clear they all had a blast filming everything! it was fun to watch and refreshing from the previous seasons didn’t take itself seriously at all! it was fun to make fun of itself and just completely delve into a comic book TV show, like the 3 comic book stories episode was definitely my favourite! and the ending for them all in the sweet hereafter was very school. weird, crazy, camp, meta, reminisce on the journey they had and the relationships they formed over the last 7 years
I knew a kid in middle school that was obsessed with Archie Comics. His whole room was themed around it. I often think about him and about what he thinks of this show.
@@JM-gs5oc Betty never mentioned them hooking up and there's never been any vibe between them so it's safe to say they weren't together. Had Reggie been part of the quad instead of Jughead it probably would have been different. Anyway, technically quad can have any kind of combinations including threesomes, foursomes, 101 only etc. There are no rules.
@lsamoa yeah that's what I was alluding to with my previous comment, but I guess I wasn't all that clear. All I meant is that every relationship is different, and what works for people in a relationship varies
Devil's advocate: this season is a response to the haters of the show all of this time. When you started describing the season as just a bunch of scenes without a storyline, it reminded me of the actual archie comics. There really is no plot or character development over literal decades of the comics. It made me wonder if the creators were saying "see? This is what would have happened if we remained absolutely true to the source material and didn't take risks!" That being said it doesn't mean the show was GOOD all this time lol.
Right, which hey I get. A lot of people do not like Slice of Life or true Grand Odyssey Epics because it can be slooow. It's why when I talk about certain fantasy series I think people have a mini-stroke. However, that doesn't mean they can't do yet another good bunch of tonal whiplash and think that's okay. According to Alex the show's basically rebooted itself three times (Season 1 is its own thing, Season 2, 3, 4 are its own thing, 5, 6 are its own thing, and Season 7 is its own thing given how their Riverdales have notably distinct rules, characterizations, genres even, etc.)
There's a skill needed to doing an episodic slice of life show and still make it interesting. With the comics, no one was expecting more than high school shenanigans and four page punchlines. Meanwhile this show went so off the rails insane that trying to make it a simple slice of life now just gives a resounding 'That's it?' in response and it feels like it has nothing going on with it. I do agree that this felt like the show trying to punch down and listen to criticism but they half assed it like everything else.
@@tarotsushima3332 That’s exactly how I felt about this season. Even if they tried to tone things down, why not do something interesting along the way? Even the Murderous Milk Man storyline was picked up and dropped off in such a short amount of time that when they brought it back it felt so redundant.
Remembering only the good things is probably worse than remembering only the bad things. Imagine you're stuck in the 50s and you have the memory of a past life in the future where apparently everything was perfect.
"One does not just watch Riverdale. One needs to be in the zone."
Put it on my gravestone
Agree. The first season was my favorite. It went downhill fast after that . My option only .
Also the reacting thing, somewhat refered to a fanfic of watching things. And it feels weird in the live action idea.
amen
We live in a simulation
Don't cry because it happened. Smile because it's over.
Im fucking lmao
I just cant believe this really exist, like what the heck?????
Underrated comment
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lmfao
But that’s the issue let say I do cry about it, why the f*ck end inn the 60s
I am very, VERY disappointed that the show didn't end with a 2D animated Jughead telling the story to his classmates with all of them baffled by what the hell they just witnessed.
honestly, when he mentioned multiverse, I expected a twist to show us animated Archie Comics
@@linah1998 that would have been dope actually.
Honestly would've been a lot better than the ending we actually got 😂
That would have been unique
Lmfao
The Veronica Betty Jugheaf Archie foursome is one of the most insane things I’ve ever seen in a show. They really went on Wattpad for their ideas huh
Roberto is so fucking weird.
I mean actually to be fair it’s probably the closest the show ever gets to the actual riverdale comics tho so in a weird way it’s fitting
Lmfao
It's insane yeah - and I hate to use this word - but it's also kinda based tbh.
If I knew RAS wasn't such a bad writer and Riverdale wasn't a mess, he would've been a genius for it (like someone said, it fits the comics)
Agreed, I wouldn't be surprised if that was true! 😂
Riverdale managing to nuke not only its own universe/continuity but also that of like 10 separate shows is the most Riverdale thing ever and ngl I kind of admire it
And I hate it smh
10 different shows???
Sabrina, some other CW's shows and Riverdale are canonically in the same universe. If Tabitha merged all the universes into one, then ...
@@valhatan3907bruh sounds like cross over excuses 😢
Ikr like I thought they did that so they could have some characters from other shows crossover into the final season for some fan service. But no they just did it for no reason but to just throw the characters into a newish setting and not have to worry about the story of the last 6 seasons haunting them.
When you mentioned Lili carrying the finale, I realized I have an intense desire for her to have a long and fruitful career now that she’s free of the monster
Chemical Hearts, a movie she made in 2020, honestly might be worse than riverdale
@@alightthatnevergoesoutWas the movie bad cause of her or cause the script was bad? Cause the first has implications for her talent as an actor and the second is just the same thing she did in Ricerdale, acting with a bad script, and she has proven to be good in those situations.
@@alightthatnevergoesouthave u seen the movie she was in recently she was like pregnant in it or something i was wondering if it was worth the watch
@@otttimon5654 Fair question, the script was awful. I was more-so just saying that her career outside of Riverdale isn’t off to a great start. Not having a crack at her acting.
@@alightthatnevergoesoutYeah unless she is in something that’s special she is basically fucked because all it takes actors being in something terrible and people won’t treat them like they have real talent.
The first season wasn't perfect, but it had so much potential. I firmly believe the show would've been better if they just stuck to the premise of "aesthetic small town who done it murder mystery but teenagers are the detectives."
I thought season one was fantastic. The show was aesthetically just beautiful, the mystery was intriguing, the feeling of being suspended in time in that town where everything is both old and new just added to the eerie, dreamy feeling. That season can be watched on its own and if you pretend it ended there, it's enjoyable. I don't know what drugs people responsible for the show started taking but I've never seen anyone drop the ball like that. The devolution of this show is one of the most bizarre things that's happened with any tv show on television. Even weirder than Family Matters morphing from a family sitcom to a zombified Steve Urkel hellscape.
@@Maialeenagree although tbf there is scooby doo
That's the exact premise of about a hundred other shows, though. And Riverdale S1 was a mediocre example of it. At least they did something original by leaning into the crazy.
@@cgm530 Idk, I feel like the 50s diner but modern and dark was pretty original for a teen drama on the CW xd
@@MaialeenYou described the feeling I used to get from season 1 of Riverdale perfectly. There was just this vibe that kept you on the edge of your seat. Even the eerie music of the title screen matched up to it all.
30:16 I was sure you were going to say "It turns out that Archie, Betty, Veronica and Jughead all merged into one single entity".
SAME and I was totally ready to accept it
Me too but it turned out to be more insane than that
Me too 😅
Honestly I think that would be better than what we ended up getting 😂
I saw your comment beforehand and still thought he would say that
“Season 6 ends with Cheryl saving Riverdale from a magical comet.” Like, I KNOW that Riverdale’s storylines have been absolute insanity for years now, but I still can not wrap my mind around the fact that this is the same show that started out as this silly little murder mystery 😭😂
Not to mention that angels and the Devil are involved with the show! 🤣
Best part, she apparently got the power to stop the magic comet, by absorbing the powers of the main cast, cause yes for that season, the entire main cast had powers, they gave it to Cheryl to save the world
She saved the comet...But i guess not really.
It should have been an anthology. This last season was they trying it. And I think that would have worked way better 😆
Riverdale tried so hard to be twin peaks but failed to see what made twin peaks, twin peaks
We gotta appreciate these actors who did such a professional job of keeping a straight face and staying in character throughout most of the series even when the show was completely bonkers x) We could see by the end of season 6 that they were so tired of it, but in s7 it's like the light came back in their eyes, they knew the end was coming and they were so happy to be free at last!
The foursome is so funny not only as a bold choice to just _not making anyone choose_ but also by the fact that they made a point of not having jughead and archie being intimate.
Like, the effort to not let cole sprouse be queer on screen after just erasing jughead's asexuality
yuppppp
the way it’s also hinting on the sexualization of lesbians… and we know Roberto.. is creepy…. 🧍
Gay or bi, queer isn’t a thing.
@@akashajones6079Queer is very much a thing
@@akashajones6079queer is an umbrella term that has been used for years to refer to people under the lgbtq+ spectrum. hope this helps!
I *love* how Roberto was so passionate about bringing LGBT+ representation into Riverdale, and yet completely erased Jughead's canon asexuality. Almost like he didn't actually care and just wanted to sexualize a bunch of teenaged characters.
Yeah, the Jughead thing is why I could never just watch Riverdale to have fun with how bad it was even as many of my friends did, lol. As an aroace person who was a huge fan of archie comics (and specifically jughead) it was just too frustrating
@@maevem316It's crazy because in the beginning of the season when Jughead lost his memories, it felt like he was finally being portrayed as asexual. I remember when Veronica was hosting the makeout party, he looked visibly disinterested. He was obsessed with comics, food, and being a writer. I remember the scene where he took her to the movie theater and ordered enough snacks for a group of people and asked Veronica is she wanted any. I hate how asexual people are left out of the queer community!
Side note: I actually wouldn't have minded if Jughead and Ethel ended up in an asexual relationship. They had good character interaction this season.
@@onceyouseeityoucantunseeit1126 I think a lot of writers when it comes to representation, only write what they find hot consciously or not. It's a limitation when it leads to certain groups of people being excluded.
@@onceyouseeityoucantunseeit1126 I agree
@@samalmighty1313 I agree
What would have been cool for Riverdale was each season should have been a different year (1950s, 2017 ect.) with different love interests, storylines, murder who-dun-it, villians, and character arcs. And then MAYBE something besides MAGIC could have tied the whole show together. 😊
So go full anthology series, basically?
…Yeah, I could see that. It would even fit in with the comic book origins of the material.
Anthologies shows are pretty hard to be good
@@AbisexualCarpenterif it's entertaining enough (which Riverdale was at times) then it's fine and could've worked out I guess. It'd def be a hit or miss season kind of show but the plotlines would've way less convoluted even if they still were batshit crazy (like AHS)
Like Wandavision
So basically like American Horror Story but the characters are the same? That’s cool ig
honestly, the whole concept of the final season is EXACTLY what I always wanted as a kid growing up obsessed with archie comics. Just a funny sitcom type show about fashionable teenagers in the 50s going to the beach and the diner and school dances. It's disappointing and feels like a waste that they didn't just do that from the start, it would have been so much better imo
YES! I was always so happy with the casting too in terms of appearances and so let down.
@@noodlebanana7512 yes the casting was so great! Its really a shame it turned out the way it did
A true slice of life series lol
That's me with the Winx live action. I wanted a colorful, girly, glittery fairy world with pretty and fashionable teenage girls saving the world, like the cartoon. And all we got was 2 seasons of, whatever grunge-y mess Netflix decided to put out.
@@nikeolas I was just thinking about that the other day because that show was also so disappointing!! where is the glittery fairy adventure why is it so angsty and dull 😭
After living 80+ years, why would meeting up with people you really only hung out with in high school be what you want to do after your death? It would be one thing if the story had them continuing their close friendship post school, but its weird if they all split after graduation. What does that say about the quality of relationships they had as adults? Especially since the reboot season meant they didnt have the bonds from living through all the wild stuff in the first 6 seasons.
Yeah and Archie and Betty had families too. Wouldn't Archie prefer to spend the afterlife with his wife and kids? Or Betty with his daughter and granddaughter? What about Toni and Cheryl? They're together but wouldn't they feel their son is missing? After all, they lived more years as his mothers than together without him.
I'll be damned if when dying of old age, after living a long and fulfilling life full of wonderful people, friends, lovers, a husband and kids, I end up in the afterlife as a teenager joined exclusively by all my high school friends lmao.
for real though, and itäs also strange they never kept in touch even though they all went into arts and publishing and became super successful. You're telling me they never crossed paths? Isn't networking like the main thing in such industries? lol
@@smaaydoes the show specifically mention you can only spend your afterlife in one place? because they could’ve been with all of them
Kinda zoned out after season 4
I mean, they did remember the first 6 seasons, kind of... I'm wondering what exactly they actually remember, because "good stuff" can be a lot of things... sure, having fun is good, but so is being supported by your friends when you're sad... anyhow, yeah their adult relationships must've sucked apparently😬
Thank you Roberto for inspiring and teaching a generation of future writers to know that no matter how much self doubt they feel, no matter how bad their work might be, no matter how many edits they have to go through, to be rest assured that it could be worse.
At least they had nothing to do with the writing on Riverdale.
Honestly whenever I feel bad about my own writing, I remember shows like this exist (for so damn long), and then I am reminded that it could infact be so much worse :) At least what I do stays consistent and you don't have to sit here like "...Are these the same characters?? Is this the same story??" Honestly mind blowing how bad writing can be allowed in shows still. Honestly flabberghasted.
Lmfao
I could literally give my 10 year old crayons and he'd come up with better material.
NOT ONLY THAT. If this hideous thing made it and was literally watched by millions, you definitely have a chance too.
Honestly, writers can learn something from Riverdale. Like what not to do when writing a show or any other medium of storytelling.
FriendlyspaceNinja and Alex Myers, the unsung heroes of the Riverdale reviews. We thank you for your service
Already planning on watching the Alex Myers version after this
I knew I was in for a good time when I saw Alex dropped a 26 minute video
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Just came here after watching Alex's last Riverdale video. We'll always have Abs: The Musical.
Real o7
Archie Jughead Betty and Veronica being in a 4 way was the most Riverdale thing they could come up with. I'll guess I'll give them props for that.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS ONLY A JOKE ON TIK TOK THATS REAL????
I've seen the show on and off over the years, and I never fully understood why KJ Apa had gotten the lead role until I saw clips from the last season. He's much more endearing as the final season's version of Archie, and it showcases his charisma as an actor in a way it just never did with the more "serious" versions of Archie. It's unfortunate that it took this long for the show to give him the opportunity to do that.
he’s gonna make a killing off “wholesome” roles for the rest off his career, he’s perfect for them
“What the FRICK uncle frank!”
i’m dreaming of him doing rom-coms/comedic roles, i loved him to bits in season 7!! meanwhile i lowkey hated his character in all the previous ones and the acting felt much more forced :(
50s Archie was so much fun and I feel sad for Apa to have waiting so long for this. He nailed it! (and dear god they did not let Archie nail his teacher this season)
Yes I thought when miss Grundy came back they were gonna hook up😅
Definitely, don’t get me wrong I do like the serious Archie but it was great to see him be goof around and have fun
i was so happy they dropped that plot point i was so scared they were gonna bring it back
23:16 😊😊
Archie, Betty, Jughead, and Veronica getting into a quad relationship doesn’t even surprise me. Roberto had to get one last fantasy he had in there before the show ended
I'm honestly not even surprised that it ended up with the four core all dating each other. It's on point for this ludicrous show. At least the cast are finally freed from the shackles of bizarre plots and mediocre writing.
Even mediocre is stretching it a bit far, don't you think?
It’s even bigger cop out ending than the ending of Vampire Knight.
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 NO STOPPPPPPP WHY YOU HAD TO REMIND ME OF THAT ONE 😭😭😭😭😭
Honestly my favourite thing about this finale was after all that teasing, two different ships, and a poly relationship, the woman Archie ends up with doesn't even get named in the episode. He just met some girl in Calafornia he settled down with, and we never even learn her name.
reminds me of Sookie's ending in True Blood which felt almost specifically designed to troll shippers
So he doesn’t stay with his two girlfriends and boyfriend…he eventually settles down?
its giving sam winchester lmao
Calafornia garls thay're andanaible. Faine frash fairce, thay gat at an lack.
poly means polynesian lol
I think the cast of Riverdale deserves some special award for delivering their lines and acting with a straight face
This feels like a non ending almost like a shrug like your dad telling you a story as a kid and they don't know how to end it and just shrugs going "I don't know they all go their seperate ways"
I thought it was more the end of Stand By Me by way of a messed up Twilight Zone episode.
Cole sprouse being basically the only actor you didn't mention about being excited to see in future was honestly a highlight lmao
I noticed that too and it filled me with joy lmfao.
Why? Its something wrong with cole? Just curios
@@andreeab2948 he's kinda just a nothing actor? Like I don't think he's a BAD actor necessarily but god he thinks far too highly of himself for the mediocrity that he provides.
@@andreeab2948he does have allegations of some abuse.
@@noodlebanana7512 Nothing new
I’ve been saying this for years: I think Riverdale is a choose your own adventure story so the actors and writers never know what’s coming up. It’s based on the choices of…someone. A poll somewhere online? Rich people? The producers?
More so a crazy fanfic writer who fell ass backwards into running this show.
A blindfolded duck.
Honestly I respect the dgaf attitude towards the last season. Truly the greatest example of "how tf do you manage to crash and burn something thats already a burning wreckage"
My Grandma told me one time she was browsing on tv and saw Riverdale and she wanted to "see what was up with Archie and the gang" as she put it, but I guess she ended up watching right in the middle of some serial killer sex stuff which she probably wasn't expecting at all. I just remember her being so surprised and so disappointed when she mentioned it, suddenly coming across this review reminded me of her. Wonder how she'd react to the superpowered witch MCU multiverse ending.
My Dad apparently loved the Archie comics growing up and I'm glad he's never seen this show.
An underrated detail of the finale is that among Archie's accomplishments YEARS LATER was that he was an amateur writer. He was never great to begin with, but I love that everyone else gets a hyperbolic take on their season seven arcs and Archie is still just mediocre at the thing he's supposedly most passionate about.
Goodbye, Riverdale.
The cast & crew, you all suffered so much, and I thank you for your sacrifice. You embodied chaos in its purest form, and your trainwreck was interesting to watch. The ending was peak fanfiction, and I don't think anyone would've had it any other way.
I'm glad you noticed Riverdale, you're weird, you're a weirdo.
But you embraced the weirdness till the very end.
I laughed so hard
This comment is written better than the actual show was.
I'm still shocked that according to the final season, Jughead created the comic Sabrina the Teenage Witch.
Which makes no sense, because Sabrina exists within the Riverdale universe as a real person.
@@angyvirtu3593 it makes total sense now
@@angyvirtu3593 this season establishes that the universe she was in (the original Riverdale timeline) no longer exists
@@marielaberge8236 Well the show is over, so Roberto doesn't care I bet. Even though, he brought her back to life off-screen. So she's gone now. I wonder how fans of that show feel now.
@@marielaberge8236does that mean that everything that happened in Sabrina no longer exists as well? Or should be be expecting a ‘50 style reboot of TCAOS in a few years?
Cheryl parents being satanist Soviet spies was the crazy kind of twist I expect from this show
what? when did that happened?? ( I stopped mid-season 4)
At Season 7. It's random and very whatever. Just don't ask
@@WaltDevil060i thought it was made up omfg 💀💀💀💀
What why did that happen lol
@@Kitfistiher parents were russian spies trying to build a bomb with palladium (???) and had this ancient God’s statue, not sure what the hell they did with it tho. The thing i’m still wondering is if they’re russians WHY NANA ROSE IS NOT WHO IS SHE (sorry i’m passionate about it i finished watching yesterday my brain is still fucked)
I need everyone to know that "the characters watch their own show" is a fanfiction trope
I have a theory that pretty much every franchise that runs long enough and switches creators becomes fanfiction eventually. Fans of the series take over and in a lot of ways it's not that different.
But the tropes and cliches of fanfiction as the internet novellas, with it's meta celebration of the fandom, don't really work in film and TV. Especially not something that's supposed to be the official original content.
@@rvawildcardwolf2843 man, I feel like Supernatural got absolutely lousy with fan pressure. The writers were clearly mad about it even while giving into it over and over, and some of their feelings about the fandom bled through. It got pretty toxic, iirc
Veronica’s actress was soooo funny in Do Revenge and it’s a shame that so much of her time had to be spent on riverdale LOL
Cheryl staying my cringe queen from the first to last episode, we love consistency
I hope the actors find more interesting projects after this mess of a show, all the actors of the main cast were actually pretty good.
I mean, they all had a stable job for several years.
Yup. Cole Sprouse, Lili Reinhardt, KJ Apa and Camila Mendes are all highly skilled actors and deserve better than this piece of shit show.
Yep they are all good, but bettys actor better get good roles after pulling off that bizarre storys well.
MORE interesting?? you may not like it but this shows bonkers storyline were very interesting
@Maria-rj9ys interesting to you maybe. Not for people with sense.
I wish the whole show was 50's Archie. It was such a better idea, kinder idea, and could have had so many of the fun storylines from the comics. Riverdale of the future was strange and evil.
Strange and evil was what made it fun. Season 7 had such cookie-cutter storylines we've seen a million times before that I could barely keep myself awake watchign it.
@@lsamoa I read Archie comics. The comics ARE fun, without being evil or cruel. Especially the Jughead comics.
@@Ultravenom1 The comics are great but a TV series is a different best
I still remember when the show was announced as a modern dark and brooding take on Archie and I couldn’t help but laugh and say, “Nope! Hard pass!”
@@Bogkun It did work for 5-6 seasons though, on a fever dream kind of level lol
I interpreted the ending differently! After Jughead’s speech we hear typing- I thought this was like the very first episode when he began writing the ‘Riverdale’ story- so technically nothing we saw was true, and in fact we are all still in the storyline from Season 1 with Jughead creating the storylines we see in every season
Oooh I like that
I thought it was gonna be Jughead was writing another book in the present day, not stuck in the 50s...🙃
you're giving the writers too much credit lol
I’ll never understand why they didn’t make this show into an anthology from then beginning. The Archie catalogue is HUGE so much to work with and they chose to set it at some dudes high school for seven years. Like there’s a whole set of comics where they’re zombies! Zombies and we had to deal with love triangles and daddy issues for almost a decade. Annoying.
The mental gymnastics you have to perform in order to listen and comprehend whats happening in this show is insane. And the moment Dylan started explaining the plot I couldnt stop laughing.
having watched the ENTIRE show as it came out(entirely ironically from the get go) it was a mind blowing prison
Never thought this day would come 😭 somehow it feels bittersweet??
Seconded, Alex Meyers created an entire musical epilogue for his video, which, and now Dylan is giving his two cents!
Lmao I always think a show i seeing a while ago ended just to see videos about the show just ending
Alex Meyers and Friendly Space Ninja, thank you for all the bravery you’ve shown covering this show extensively. A moment of silence for all the collective brain cells who were departed too soon.
Preach, they watched it so that we didn't have to!
Bravest men I know
The sacrifice will not be in gain that's not a spelling error
It's not that deep. People are allowed to like things you don't. I know, shocking. And no brain cells were lost watching the show because it's just a show and I am not even a fan of Riverdale. I just think people are overreacting
The "characters of the show watch their own show or movie" is such a classic fanfiction story that it's always weird to see it in the actual program.
It's just so clear that RAS wanted to merge Sabrina and Riverdale together years ago, and really lean into the supernatural elements early on. Make a supernatural mystery the core of each season.
Sabrina was originally going be Season 2's main antagonist, believe it or not.
I never liked the RAS version of Sabrina, but that's at least **an** idea.
@@angyvirtu3593 wait really, they said that??
@@angyvirtu3593I would of watched Riverdale if that was the case lol
@@angyvirtu3593 What was the story going to be and why was she the antagonist?
If you look at this show as a wattpad fan fiction that started off strong but the writer got depressed so they just wrote down whatever to fill chapters and just used the fan fiction to cope with their own life and come up the most ridiculous things possible to then feel bad they completely stopped trying so they wanted to start trying again at the very end but the story has become so crazy that they don’t know how to make it better and they didn’t want to start over so decided to just reset everything without resetting everything and just end it but only tried to give that reset an ending Vs the whole fic, then the show is pretty watchable
That's the most specific thing I've ever read in my whole life 😐😅...!
I really think if they had gone the anthology route this show could have been way more than it was. If each season was it's own story, with the same characters spread over different times, with new challenges and goals and each season being it's own complete story RAS could have told dozens of different stories with these characters without falling all over himself to make everything that didn't fit make sense.
Imagine at the end of season 1, no shooting just the four main characters enjoying milkshakes. And then season 2 hits, maybe it's set in the 70s and the Black Hood holds up Pop's Diner and we get to try and figure out who the Hood is with everyone more or less at new start positions. They aren't the same characters so you really have no idea who it could be. Season 4 could be the Organ trafficking ring set 20 years into the future. Season 5 could be about witches set in the 1800s, etc...
It would hardly be breaking new ground but it would have meant RAS could tell his insane stories without giving everyone an aneurysm. And, since every season the characters would be stripped down to their base component parts everyone would be a suspect, everyone would be discovering things about themselves. And, since a lot of people attach themselves to certain characters it would be a great way to mess with people's perceptions of themselves. A lot of people identify with Jughead as he was in season 1, someone who was going through a hard time and had to focus a lot on basic survival, like keeping a roof over his head. But what if in season 2 he comes from an affluent family and was as entitled as Cheryl or Veronica? Would he still be as beloved?
Riverdale could’ve been CW’s American Horror Story (but with less Horror).
OH MY GOD this idea is so good it has me so pissed
That would’ve also kept it in true Archie comics fashion. Archie gang does so much random shit that it could’ve worked.
i need a fanfic like this or a book RIGHT NOW
Goddamit, now I really want there to be an animated series or something that follows this idea.
36:26 In Season 6, during the Rivervale episodes, there were two Jugheads. The Jughead who's telling us the story, (and referred to as Narrator Jughead) and the Jughead who's inside of the story.
Basically, I'm saying that the Jughead who guided Betty throughout the finale is Riverdale's Narrator Jughead. The Jughead who's been telling us the story of Riverdale since its very first episode.
What
@@gmrb5249 The correct response
@@gmrb5249the show was narrated by Jughead, in season 6 there was a storyline were in a different universe a version of Jughead was hidden away writing the story. It's likely that is the Jughead old Betty is with
The problem is this universe was destroyed, so Narrator Jughead doesn't exist lol
@@marina.chayka That Jughead was not only the narrator but the writer of the story. He had to be writing endlesly to Riverdale and Rivervale not to colapse. So I assume he stoped writing when Tabitha erased the timelines and just went free. (Because being the writer of the story makes him even supperior to Tabitha, I suppose xD)
Is it weird that I can't help but respect Riverdale for its absolute crackhead direction? There's something impressive about how a show this long-running and so big could get so far by being absolute batshit bananas.
I've never watched a minute of Riverdale, but honestly hearing about it makes me so intrigued. It's almost like RAS wanted to pull off a years-long prank and actually managed to do it before the studio (hypothetically would have) decided to step in. I have to respect that level of tenacity and obnoxiousness.
I watched all 7 seasons, and at times it definitely got bad, but I liked the ending. The very last scene where everyone is reunited in the diner, seems so appropriate to the source material. They will spend eternity, forever 17, living their happy lives in Riverdale, just like the comics have been for the last 80+ years.
It's almost a ridiculous How We Got Here story. The story ends exactly where the comics are.
The contrast between watching Nancy Drew (which aired before Riverdale every week) to Riverdale was insane.
Like, ND got no promotional material whatsoever and was getting almost double the views every week compared to Riverdale which was flooded with promos by the CW. This week when they both ended felt like the end of the CW truly and seeing the two different reactions from each fandom made me glad I kept watching every week.
@randywhite3947 Do it is very much worth the watch
@randywhite3947it has flaws but it does what Riverdale tried to do with the crazy mysteries and magic and such better. Season 1 had one of the wildest mysteries and a sorta self awareness you would not expect for a CW show. I do hate how one romance turns out but its CW a happy stable deepning couple is like not to be lol
It’s mostly good (especially the first season). It’s rough sometimes, but I overall enjoyed it despite the typical CW-isms.
You can really tell how much a network doesn't care about a project when so little promo goes into a show that people don't even know said show ended or even still *existed.* I never watched Nancy Drew (I gave up on the CW after S3 of The Flash and didn't watch any of their shows after that), but I had been so sure that it had been cancelled because I never saw any promo about it featured *anywhere* online.
Out of curiosity, is it worth checking out?
@@MissJasmine305 It absolutely is! It's plagued by the normal CW / teen drama problems and the fact it had a slashed episode count right of the bat (thanks CW -_-), but the main cast is all likable, the mysteries (especially s1) are really solid, and it's just a really fun show with a focus on found family.
I literally didn't know the show existed until after the season 3 and I wish I could have experienced it all as it aired cos its imo one of the better shows to have come out of the CW.
Thanks for treating us to two videos so close together, Ninja. I'm looking forward to seeing the cast move onto bigger and better projects. At least it kept them working for almost a decade, and I'll miss seeing You Tubers like you and Alex Meyers gloriously roast it.
i felt like an era was ending when i saw the newest Alex Meyers video... the internet will never be the same
I see you everywhere
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I'd love to see someone talk about The 100 that had an insanely bad ending. The series had a such a good start but turned to insanity after few seasons.
SPOILERS
How does teens that try to survive on apocalyptic earth kill all of humanity while basically becoming gods themselves at the end make any sense?? Who thought that would be a satisfying ending
anything past season 5... this anomaly was just so fucking dissatisfying
The source material ended around like season 3 I think... Sooooo yeah
@@elogerm7557 actually the show is very different from the source, and in the source they also go to another planet
@@lond1n1 i thought they were always on earth and didn't leave though I haven't read the book
I liked it
This entire last season just feels like a fanfic, complete with the writer's fav pairings. That last episode is like an end note with the other plot the writer didn't want to write. Fits with what we know about Roberto and his past with the source material...
The finale is the perfect example that when you try to please everybody in the shipping world you end up displeasing everybody.
I was very pleased because I was a big hater of the shipping side of the fandom and was at this point hoping nobody gets an endgame as a penalty for fighting about them all the time
The writers: "Can you fans forget about the weird shit?"
The next episode.
The writers: "Here's the weirdest shit we've got."
Riverdale will be remembered as the epics highs and lows of weirdness. But Gossip Girl reboot will be remembered for absolutely nothing.
Ah yes, polyamorous relationships, the simplest type of relationship to be established in no time whatsoever. Famously very easy to organise and establish in both real life and fiction.
It's wild. Ending love triangles in a polycule is the joke/ideal suggestion, but most people want to actually, y'know, see that happen. Not have it done off screen.
I love poly so much and it is SO undershown, I would have killed to have some good developed polycule xD
It always pisses me off how poly people are so villified in shows, too. Or how people are like 'but we can't be together because...we forgot polyamory exists and love isn't a finite resource'.
I remember being really into Riverdale for the first three seasons. Kinda sad to see it ending. Almost like part of my teenage years died.
“Roberto, are you flirting with me?” Made me audibly laugh😂
You know what would be so fun? If they all had their memories wiped (just like it is in s7) and the plot(?) is the same... except in very random moments they reference stuff from 2023. And it gives you this unnerving feeling that something is off, even to the characters. And they, slowly, realise that theyre not in the right era. Conflicts happen, some characters prefer this era over the other yada yada yada. In the finale, they come back to their period.
There were so many anachronisms left and right that I really thought that's where they were going, but in the end none of that happened. It's a shame, it would have been fun.
When Riverdale uses a Multiverse in its plot, you know the trope is dead.
Naaah... Spiderverse is still amazing.
@@mmbaszak5028And Everything Everywhere All at Once. Like, when a movie about a woman trying to connect with her daughter being thrown into a Multiverse chaos understands what makes a multiverse story great more than a movie that has Multiverse in the title (we know which one), we know the world is getting crazier 🤗😅.
@@RodrickMarsMoon I forgot about it and it's one of my fav movies, I'm kinda embarrassed 🙈
Riverdale is a living meme. Nobody has described the chaotic nature of Riverdale better than super eye patch wolf.
I had to pause at the halfway point because it is unreal to hear that they used one of the most self-indulgent fanfic tropes in a TV series that airs on cable television and it didn't get eviscerated on the cutting room floor. Love triangles, kitschy character/relationship dynamics, even fan-service are all one thing, but having your characters watch their own television show in a group together just to see their reactions? Never would have guessed.
The pilot and these videos are the extent to my engagement with the Riverdale TV show and even after hearing all of what has gone on these past seven seasons, it's the watching your own series to remember your past that is tripping me up the most.
Kudos to you Friendly Space Ninja for diving back in to finish chronicling this series.
I've enjoyed "The characters watch their own show" fanfictions. But things that work in internet fandom aren't the same as what works for Original fiction.
Ain't gonna lie, this season actually feels like every fix-it fic on AO3.
i’ve read much better fix it fics by 12 year olds is my problem
do not do ao3 authors dirty like that 😭😭
This show is what happens when you have a writer's room filled with fanfic writers more interested in making PG-13 fetish material with a cast of hot twenty-somethings than with telling a coherent story. It was the cinematic embodiment of the phrase "no thoughts, just vibes".
These CW writers' rooms are filled with wattpad and ao3 users who never grew up
Don't insult fanfic writers like that, i've read fanfiction with way better writing than this mess of a show and they do it for free
@@125loopy I will not allow this slander against AO3 users, those people actually know what they're doing.
You've never read fanfic dude, fanfic can be really really good. This feels like people who were entitled and never got criticism on their writing going ahead and helming a show.
That's an insult to fanfiction itself lmao
Maybe it’s just me and I’m overthinking it but the way Toni and Clay are written in the last season puts a weird taste in my mouth? Like of course depicting Black queer joy is really important but there’s something weird and tone deaf to me about the way they’re both so open and confident in their sexualities and exist to support their white partners through their coming outs as though being Black and queer in the 50s wouldn’t have been incredibly terrifying?? It feels like Roberto said intersectionality? Don’t know her. Like they’re manic pixie dream POCs or something. Idk I didn’t know where to put this comment so I’m putting it here but I would love to know if other people feel this way or if I’m going crazy lol
Manic pixie dream POCs is exactly what it feels like.
Thank you. I just thought, “ok 50s, I hope Toni is ok and this black dude too”. But I guess, until the bitter end the black characters are throwaway or 2 dimensional. What would have been interesting is seeing the pussycats as a throwback reference but nah. This show sucks
If you are expecting logic and sense from riverdale I really don’t know how to help you.
Roberto doesn’t know how to write black women. They only exist for one of two reasons. They’re like Tabitha from Original Sin who just talk about how white people are bad and have no other personality or character traits. Or they’re just like Tomi who are just there to prop up their white counterparts.
YES thank you. That's exactly how I felt too. They served us a glossy whitewashed version of the 1950s where people like Clay and Toni could have been open about who they are as POC living in a small town, without getting lynched. That's not how it would have gone down. And you're so right, their only role in season 7 was to support their white partners' coming of age stories. Notice how we know Kevin and Cheryl's 1955 families (even Kevin's mum who up until now had never appeared on the show) but we know nothing of Clay's and Toni's. Toni's kid has vanished into thin air. They even retconned Toni's ethnicity from Native American to black without batting an eyelid, like POC's ethnicities are interchangeable, so Toni's family who we had met before don't exist anymore. I know the actress is Tanzanian and mixed-raced but Toni Topaz isn't. And poor Pop didn't get a single line this season. They even killed him off and closed down his business, when in the original timeline he was happily retired and living his best life. I hate season 7 so much.
It seems like this 1950s universe should’ve been the original trajectory of the show since they decided to drive it off a cliff after season 1
@@LilithsCosmicLounge it’s best not to subject yourself to any other seasons. It’s not even good enough to hate watch
Roberto did a nonsensical time travel storyline in “Chilling Adventures of Sabrina” too. (Among other unforgivable things). He’s got some terrible obsessions with otherwise harmless tropes.
Exactly. More love triangles need to end in polyamory. That's not the problem. The problem is that the Riverdale writers don't plan anything in advance and so it got basically no development and felt cheap. But, then again, that's literally this whole show.
I need more shows with good and well developed poly relationships.
While some of the harems who do are more than questionable, I appreciate stuff like Otome Game Sekai wa Mob ni Kibishii Sekai desu that have interesting romance stories and show well-paced/good polyamorous relationships from poorly-paced/bad ones. I get it healthy polyamorous are rare but its like...if you're going to drag out this love triangle and make it sorta obvious there is a toxic element or who the lead character is going to end up with, why have them? If its thematic okay sure, Wheel of Time has a triple goddess vibe with it by the end and a solid twist at the end (basically each wife of the main character represented his past, present, and future in interesting ways.) But this Riverdale? Really? Just a cope out back-tracked quad relationship? Why not just throw Cheryl in cause she was the fifth wheel of the show for so long anyways!
Gave up on the show since well after the time jump and I don't like swapping the race, gender or sexuality of characters who were established as something else including the quadruple or Cheryl, but WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree!
Poly relationships are just sleeping around. It's just insecure people needing to put a label on something.
@@RogerKlots Oh shut up Matthew, youre just mad you cant get even one person to sleep with you
That's the worst anwser one can come up with. For starters, it's the coward's way out: you wrote a love triangle and you're afraid of whatever pairing you choose being the wrong one, so you choose both. Second, it's unrealistic: poligamous relationships never last in real life because, surprisingly, the relationships that form part of it always end up breaking up. Third, it's gross: at that point what you have is not a relationship, it's an orgy group.
I once read a series of 9 books called Forged Destiny or something in the span of 4 years that was really good, but the series took a dive in quality in the last 2 books because readers kept harrasing the author due to the fact that he introduced a love triangle of sorts in the 8th book (The roots were there since the 3rd book TBH) and fans of the pairing kept demanding for him to make their favorite couple canon. The last book was about all the countries of the world bunkering together against a siege by the literal forces of evil and, I kid you not, two thirds of the story is dedicated to the love triangle while thousands die defending the citadel they were at, and then the last chapter and epilogue were about how the love triangle decided to become a polygamous relationship. NOBODY was happy with that and let the author know it. Moral of the story being that taking the polygamous route leaves no one happy (Except maybe people that like anime).
what I love about the ending is the amount of people tweeting (x’ing?) about the fact that Jughead and Archie were supposedly in a quad-relationship without ever having kissed on the show. KJ Apa has definitely kissed male actors on the show so people are saying it’s Cole’s fault 😭😭
Not everyone in a quad needs to be together for it to be a quad though
@@lsamoa I think the problem people had was more that the show was perfectly willing to show Jughead/Betty, Betty/Veronica, Archie/Veronica, etc: basically every potential couple *except* the MLM one. And with Roberto's... unfavourable track record with queer representation, it felt to a lot of people like the only reason they showed Betty/Veronica was that WLW relationships are seen as "hot" by a lot of male audiences and creators, unlike MLM ones. To a lot of people it sort of cemented/highlighted the idea that Riverdale is pretty performative in its "activism", and that it only shows relationships that its creators/writers see as hot
@@oranges7706 Yes I get that and I agree, Riverdale is all about performativity when it comes to these questions. But concretely for Jughead and Archie to have a credible romantic relationship at this point, there would have needed to be some cues to it earlier. Reggie and Archie would have worked, since they had a threesome together and have been shown as close to one another in the 50s, but not Archie and Jughead. It would have been too late in the season to have them develop feelings for one another. They barely even interacted during this season as it is.
@@lsamoa I suppose. I haven't watched the show since, like, S3 (?) so I'm not fully caught up on the lore and everything; but then that's just a testament to the bad writing, if anything: if they're going to have a quad relationship, they should at least have _some_ interaction between all the members, even if it's not romantic 🤷♀️ Bad rep or bad writing: _Riverdale_ chose both lol
@@oranges7706 Jughead and Archie barely interacted during most of season 7 and there hasn't been any explanation for it. It's one of the things I've hated about this season. Most likely when they got their memories back (long story), they finally remembered they were friends. Then they'd go on double-dates with the girls during senior year and both sleep with them (separately), but there's never been any romantic vibe between the two of them. Archie and Reggie however watched gay porn together and had a threesome with a middle-aged prostitute (at the age of 15... lots to unpack there but it's OOT). So if any of the boys would have hooked up later, it would have been the two of them, not Archie and Jughead.
I have to say it's so funny to see them rework the show into just a 1950s teen comedy all while seeing the 7 years of age on these "teenagers" face 😭
I was thinking this throughout the video! Archie kinda gives me the vibes like in the movie Love Guru, where they edited Mike Myers' head onto a child's body to show the character as a child (it was very intentional comedy). I feel like the camera lens or something to do with shooting the series, isn't helping either. KJ Apa just really outgrew the teenage character. And I'm not saying he looks old. I'm saying he doesn't look like a teenager. He looks his age.
I also find it funny how, Betty and Veronica share kisses with both boys and eachother, But Archie and Jughead absolutely did not....
It's so weird that the end of the season three 90s flashback with the parents had a more satisfying way of explaining how the parents ended up where they did than the SERIES FINALE
Riverdale might be one of the last shows to be allowed to jump the shark and dip in quality. It's a lot more common now for series to be axed if they don't pull in numbers that these studios want, even if the show is really fucking good. In a way, it concluding marks the end of an era. With many good shows being cancelled at best and taken off of streaming services at worse, it's a sad feeling that regard.
Part of the reason why it was allowed to do like that because the show heavily reliant on Netflix streaming numbers & international viewership. For those who don't know, the show is exclusively distributed by Netflix in some region outside US which simulcast with the US TV broadcast.
Does anyone remember Josie McCoy is supposed to be Kevin’s step-sister? Nope? Only me?
I don’t think they exchanged more than ten lines of dialogue in the entire show. Even the writers seem to have forgotten that, because they paired Kevin’s dad up with Archie’s uncle, perhaps because a gay relationship in the 50’s is more believable than an interracial one
I kinda forgot tbh
I was wondering what happened to that too! I thought when Kevin's parents got a divorce we was gonna see his dad get with a black woman 🙃
I love how "still better than the Gossip Girl Reboot" is basically a big meme for FSN's channel
Teen Wolf the Movie was a much bigger burn at that show. I never watched Teen Wolf nor the movie it's based on. Nor that movie's sequel. But I love the show because of how interesting it is and his reaction to the show's decision making.
Riverdale kinda reminds of Glee in a way. A normal show about highschoolers that went off the rails and basically re-set itself by the last season. Except Glee did a finale right and it was an enjoyable and heartfelt finale that for the most part fans are happy with.
I can see them similar in that respect. But I can understand WHY Glee made it's bad decisions based on the pressures of running a successful show. For the Life of me I can't understand how the writers came up with a lot of this stuff for Riverdale except for throwing things against the wall and seeing what stuck.
Like I can understand the New York time of Glee because the show was a juggernaut nobody wanted to stop. They needed to take Rachel there, but instead of giving Lea Michelle a spin-off they split the show, and had a hard time balancing it back.
But I cannot for the life of me figure out How a Dungeons and Dragons cult/gang almost took over Riverdale. Or how they suddenly developed Superpowers.
Glee had bad writing decisions from outgrowing it's premise and plans. It was a victim of it's own success. Riverdale had schizophrenia.
Love the video, but the same scenes kept replaying omg. I saw cheryl puling down those heart glasses and that teacup shatter like a dozen times
Excuse my French but it really fucking sucks that the only character who didn't get a reboot was Jughead. Of course the only character who remains a broody, egocentric modern version is one of the rare canon asexual characters we have in media who was completely robbed from us at the start of the show. I've been watching media my entire life and I've only seen a single asexual character on screen, ever. And they just botched the chance to give us that with Jughead. Which wouldn't have been this weird since two characters were put back in the closet so obviously they were fine exploring sexuality again. But an asexual character in the 50's would have been so good. This feels like such a slap in the face when you're ace and there just literally zero representation, ever, in anything.
Babe you're nun as far as I aware literally no one trying kill you or hate you because you're ace . The whole point of representation nonsense is raise awareness that people of other sexuality is exist . Why are you bitching ace people get no representation since no one cares about your sexuality or think that's bad . Voluntary celibate were respected by majority eastern society for centuries.
Hear, hear!
Are you talking about Todd from BoJack Horseman? That's one of the only canon ace characters I can think of, and his story was handled SO WELL (I'm ace too!!)
@@HiHi-lt1cb There's also an ace character in the Heartbreak High reboot
Totally agree! I had a tiny bit of hope, but alas.... On another note, Big Mouth had a really well dine ace character in it's latest season!
It sounds like this being the last season was treated as an opportunity to adapt the comics without having to worry about audience and executive response.
All I can say I’m just glad #freetheriverdalecast finally came to fruition.
See, the poly relationship could've been so interesting to explore if it wasn't just thrown there as a last ditch effort to satisfy their audience. I've never seen a show handle polyamory and honestly it'd be nice to see how they do it.
artemis fowl did "it ends by jogging the main character's memory by starting the entire story from the opening of book 1" first and better and more emotionally impactful
THANK YOU for mentioning Artemis Fowl! I adore how the OG series can be read in a loop
Honestly I've always considered Betty the main character and I'm glad the writers do too lmao
She deserves it,shehe and the serialkiller and cultpsychologiclthriller and that were somehow the most grounded? Or she grounded it somehow?!
i was just thinking this 😇
I mean from season 1, it always kinda feels that way doesn't it? Betty the main character who actually does shit, Jughead the narrator and Archie and Veronica just exist.
Congrats......you think like the Riverdale writers...
The 1950s not having the word for serial killer but having the concept of a "quad" made me laugh so hard.
It feels kinda bittersweet that the show has finally ended. Had lot's of fun memories either making fun of it or just being bewildered at their ideas. I'm wishing the best to the cast though!
this last season being described like this feels very much like someone who just spent WAY TOO LONG on a bender doing all sorts of crazy things and trashing places and all, and then at the end they come back to the people they hurt being like "hey, can you forgive me for going wild, since you had fun at the party I threw that trashed the entire plot of land it was on? Pwetty pwease? 🥺"
Since you skipped a few episodes in Season 7, you missed that they kept name dropping the play "Our Town" in a handful of episodes. The Series Finale takes straight from the third act of Our Town--where the female protagonist after having died is given the chance to relive one day in her life that she chooses--which she does accompanied by the "Stage Manager" who has a quasi-angelic by way of rural New England presence about him. Throughout which the female protagonist dwells on the future of the people she encounters as well as eventually comes to realize that people don't appreciate the simple joys of life while living it--and how terribly sad that is.
TLDR: The series finale is just a Riverdale adaptation of Our Town's Act 3.
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I think Betty actually turned into the main character throughout the seasons, every season (the last excepted) has this mystery that is the A plot and Betty and Jughead are always the ones trying to solve the mystery. We start the first episode in Betty‘s bedroom looking through Archie‘s window and we revisit it in the last almost full circle. So yeah Betty is the main character and Jughead is the narrator I think that’s why he remembers everything. The same way Tabitha exists as Tabitha and as a guardian angel, Jughead exists as Jughead and as a narrator (like the Jughead from Rivervale). So yeah that’s why I think this episode circles around them
The spirit Jughead that talks to Betty is clearly Dylan Sprouse.
It’s the ghost of focking Trevah from the After movies
@@EF-kk3vhBest answer 😂
I find it weird that the whole finale episode was centered around Betty when Archie is supposed to be the main character of the entire show and we were just told his ending instead of seeing it.
Even when Archie was seemingly leading storylines Betty would end up the protagonist. The Black Hood arc starts out Archie focused but it’s Betty who ends up in the game of psychological cat and mouse with the killer (who is retconned into being her father). Betty and Jughead drive the plot more than Archie does because it feels like the writers both didn’t settle on how to handle the character and wanted to keep KJ Apa retaining a buff physique to show off sans shirt.
i liked that they just got to have a lot of fun with the characters and explore a load of different dynamics and just enjoy themselves for their last season together, it’s very clear they all had a blast filming everything! it was fun to watch and refreshing from the previous seasons didn’t take itself seriously at all! it was fun to make fun of itself and just completely delve into a comic book TV show, like the 3 comic book stories episode was definitely my favourite! and the ending for them all in the sweet hereafter was very school. weird, crazy, camp, meta, reminisce on the journey they had and the relationships they formed over the last 7 years
I knew a kid in middle school that was obsessed with Archie Comics. His whole room was themed around it. I often think about him and about what he thinks of this show.
Two videos so close together? Ninja is really spoiling us!
Is it technically a quad relationship if Jughead and Archie aren't in a romantic relationship with each other?
Who's to say they weren't? Yeah, there's not much to support in the show, but the core four had a weird relationship anyway
@@JM-gs5oc Betty never mentioned them hooking up and there's never been any vibe between them so it's safe to say they weren't together. Had Reggie been part of the quad instead of Jughead it probably would have been different. Anyway, technically quad can have any kind of combinations including threesomes, foursomes, 101 only etc. There are no rules.
@lsamoa yeah that's what I was alluding to with my previous comment, but I guess I wasn't all that clear. All I meant is that every relationship is different, and what works for people in a relationship varies
@@JM-gs5oc Indeed
Devil's advocate: this season is a response to the haters of the show all of this time. When you started describing the season as just a bunch of scenes without a storyline, it reminded me of the actual archie comics. There really is no plot or character development over literal decades of the comics. It made me wonder if the creators were saying "see? This is what would have happened if we remained absolutely true to the source material and didn't take risks!"
That being said it doesn't mean the show was GOOD all this time lol.
For all the people who criticised Mandalorian S3 for feeling aimless, Riverdale S7 was truly aimless.
Right, which hey I get. A lot of people do not like Slice of Life or true Grand Odyssey Epics because it can be slooow. It's why when I talk about certain fantasy series I think people have a mini-stroke. However, that doesn't mean they can't do yet another good bunch of tonal whiplash and think that's okay. According to Alex the show's basically rebooted itself three times (Season 1 is its own thing, Season 2, 3, 4 are its own thing, 5, 6 are its own thing, and Season 7 is its own thing given how their Riverdales have notably distinct rules, characterizations, genres even, etc.)
@@JamesLawner From what I gather, they were working towards a goal and taking back Mandalorian.
There's a skill needed to doing an episodic slice of life show and still make it interesting. With the comics, no one was expecting more than high school shenanigans and four page punchlines. Meanwhile this show went so off the rails insane that trying to make it a simple slice of life now just gives a resounding 'That's it?' in response and it feels like it has nothing going on with it. I do agree that this felt like the show trying to punch down and listen to criticism but they half assed it like everything else.
@@tarotsushima3332 That’s exactly how I felt about this season. Even if they tried to tone things down, why not do something interesting along the way? Even the Murderous Milk Man storyline was picked up and dropped off in such a short amount of time that when they brought it back it felt so redundant.
Remembering only the good things is probably worse than remembering only the bad things. Imagine you're stuck in the 50s and you have the memory of a past life in the future where apparently everything was perfect.
The polyamory cop-out makes me laugh so much, it's kinda genius ngl