But WHY is Riverdale's Writing so Cringey?
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- Опубликовано: 24 дек 2019
- Here's a nice essay about Riverdale and why it has the reputation it has.
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Riverdale is what happens when you have a school full of protagonists who clearly are the protagonists and you could also spot them easily in a crowd.
I see someone is Pateron lol.
Yep, they may as well have "We're the unrealistic, cringy, twentysomething teenage protagonists of a CW Show" tattooed across their foreheads!😅
Jorge why lol I be on that too I need monies ..every one does. Smh if you on it n I came across your name tag and what you do i maybe but you off with monies. Why not helping out isn't nothing too be made fun at.
Not but give you Moines there.
So what you are saying is, Riverdale is anime.
This show is what happens when aesthetic moodboards try to make actual stories.
Oh my God, that's it. That's what this show feels like. An inaccurate high school moodboard.
You summarize the show entirely. In fact you've actually summarized why Tumblr specifically is obsessed with the show, it's basically they're stupid aesthetic posts personified into an actual show, the real irony of it all is that they purposely choose to ignore the acting and writing
pinkfeiry accurate
Thank god it's just a moodboard. If it was an artboard then I would have been quite sad
no one could put it better than you did.
Imagine being called "dilfy" by your child's peers
His reaction is some of the best acting in the show. That'd be my face too
I'd immediately need to take a shower to wash away the cringe.
I would call that child's parents so fast bruh
Imagine the word "DILFy" leaving your mouth 🤢
@@amandajensen3382and tell them what? "Your kid is horny for me"?
In the comics, Archie acts like an *actual* teenager. Like, he has two girls who are constantly vying for his attention, but also he's super awkward and clumsy, plus, he is most definitely *not* the best at football lol.
Exactly!, the TV show Happy Days was a fairly accurate illustration of the original Archie comics. Riverdale has nothing in common with the comics except some character names. Riverdale is the usual cringey CW 'adult themes played as teen angst' motif that really belongs in traditional soap operas.
Basically Jughead: "I'm not like other girls"
Straight up
I have SNAKE ARMS
No, not really. More Betty with her „BaD sIdE“
Tofu betty is the “strong independent” woman who is actually just a bitch
@@faraway-2009 lmao u spelt cheryl wrong. tbh all the girls in the show are just problematic, aside from toni bc we know next to nothing about her
The reason Jughead wears a crown was because at the time Archie was created, it was common for fathers to give their sons their old and worn out hats (fedoras and bowlers and etc) and the kids would turn them inside out, put pins and buttons on them, and cut the brim so they had that spikey pattern. Jughead's crown was originally that. The comic went on so long that it would eventually hire artists who had no idea that was a thing thought it was a crown, so it became a crown.
i have learned something new today
woohoo history
Nerdsync covered this exact topic I think
Yes.
The thing that's annoying is that he talks about it like its some qUIrKy aesthetic plague that's been tossed onto him that makes him WEIRD and NoT LikE ThE OtHeR BoYS--when the comic jughead would've probably been like 'hell yeah, this is my hat lol'.
The biggest Riverdale rumor is that all of this is just a series of novels that Jughead is writing. That would explain almost everything addressed here.
I keep on hearing this but are they talking about the Jughead in the comics writing it? If so that doesn't really make sense he would never write anything so horny and romance filled.
The self-aware, witty, wise-beyond-his-years, aroace dudebro is supposed to have written this horny, poorly written, tone deaf dreck?
@@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick Jughead is fake deep.
@@twomansdream6011 Not in the comics. Jughead doesn’t begin to claim to be deep there.
@@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick It’s hard to claim that this show is based on the comics, though. None of the characters even remotely resemble their comic selves.
Your point about Jughead Jones having to wear the hat when the writers so clearly don’t like it makes me think that it’d be amazing to have a show that’s Riverdale-esque but all the characters are being forced into habits they can’t really choose, with a mysterious force guiding them into these roles and stereotypes beyond their control that they’re constantly trying to struggle against in this Lovecraftian facade of a teen drama.
Late, but oh, I would read the shit out of this.
That is mildly the plot of the kdrama extraordinary you although less intense I feel
That’s the plot of a fanfiction I read long ago and let me tell you, I’m not even in that fandom anymore but I still have the link saved in my notes so that I can reread it
@@mhmmhm5995 If you still have the link, I'd love to read it.
this remember me of the princess tutu anime
Riverdales dialogue sounds like it was written by aliens who only have a vague idea what human conversation is like
Or like someone fed an AI pages upon pages of fanfiction written by 13 year olds and now it has to create a fanfiction itself.
miso no teenager talks with so many references and adjectives also no teenager wears those fucking clothes Veronica what is up with you boo???she looks like a trophy wife
yeah, but they base it off social media xD
You literally explained why I love this horrible, horrible show.
They found the golden record and was like “wow we make show now”
Show: i’M a wEIrDo, I’M dIfFeREnT
Comics: man I just kinda like burgers and this crown dude...
Wow he likes burgers and wears a crown, hE's So nOt liKe oTheR GuYs!
"have you see me without this stupid crown on?, that's weird"
Bruh what happened to hotdog. The cartoon has better writing than this shit
Chandler Bing,knows
@@shahanahsan05 ha
There's actually something to the "I'm a weirdo" scene that I think gets ignored, and it's that Betty throws him a birthday party even though she knows he associates his birthday with his terrible childhood and would prefer something low-key. What he's trying to say actually has merit-- he doesn't need lots of friends or popularity and doesn't need to fit in because he's okay with who he is, and it's insensitive of her to try to change that. But it's written horribly, so it gets brushed off as him being a wannabe edgy teenager.
Doesn't Archie tell Betty that Jughead wouldn't like a birthday party. She was in thr wrong
Yeah when I saw the scene the first time I really liked it, and it’s only funny out of context. It’s their first big fight and you really feel that there’s some insurmountable differences between them. But then you watch them surmount them lol it was actually one of the better scenes that connected to the rest of their arc but it gets mocked for being kind of cringe.
Archie went from:
• Being g*oomed by a teacher
• Wanting to be a guitarist
• Nearly being murdered
•Running away from his girlfriend's mafia father
• Almost dying like three times
• Going to jail and making a gang
• Going to war
"g*oomed"
What's next? "D*ath"?
you forgot experiencing the epic highs and lows of high school football
Trying to be a fireman, be a coach
@@milanvs6234 * Working in a mine
* Owning a boxing club and a construction company...
Leave Namjoon alone
“Looking extremely DILFy today.”
That sentence is social suicide
TooLateToTheStory i mean the first part of your comment is debatable but I feel you
@TooLateToTheStory Yes it's like sex fantasies about teacher. Or any other people you aren't engaged with, especially if you are talking to them.
She looks at his disheveled hair before she says it. I think it was meant to be sarcasm.
Nemo TheEight speaking of that ... remember season 1 when Archie had a thing going on with his teacher😂 and now that seems soooo harmless compared to where the show has gotten
SShemp86 I think he’s a good lookin dude. Or was at least.
i literally cannot watch the “i’m a weirdo” scene with a straight face. like it’s literally too emo 2012 tumblr for me.
It would have been so much less cringey if they hadn’t erased his asexuality. (I mean, don’t get me wrong, “so much less cringey” still would have meant PLENTY of cringe. That scene had spare cringe for days, no doubt no doubt. BUT. Jus’ sayin’, would have at least made a little more sense if he was still asexual.)
i have it memorized
In case you haven’t noticed, I'm weird. I’m a weirdo. I don't fit in. And I don't want to fit in. Have you ever seen me without this stupid hat on? That's weird.
I was stuck between laughing my ass off and cringing uncontrollably
I quote that scene everyday and i laugh every single thing
'Looking dilfy today?'
Okay we're jumping right into the deep end I see.
This show is insane but I gotta admit that scene with Archie punching the ice is great. His character should be like the friendly giant, he protects and does things the most simple way. Great commentary.
So Moose from the comics, basically.
Make Archie be a himbo!!!
@@Oliviagarry69420 Archie Himbo rights!!
The scene where Archies punches the ice is pretty much straight up ripped from a french movie called Rust and Bone (great movie)
We don't break the ice, we beat it to a slush.
Look the archie comics get weird. There is literally a issue where predator kills them all and one where a zombie apocalypse happens but somehow this show achieves being MORE RIDICULOUS than both of those issues 😂😂
And another with the Punisher
I mean when the premise is obviously ridiculous it becomes easier to enjoy it or take it seriously, whereas riverdale is trying to be a serious show
@@somedragonbastard true but that's what's so confusing. There are times where they are self aware with how crazy this show is but then the next episode they wanna be all serious and take the show seriously and it's just like pick one!!
@@Gloomdrake lmaooo i forgot about that one
Archie Comics are weird. They're a weirdo. They don't "fit in".
Jughead doesn't even need to be called Jughead. His name is Forsythe Pendleton Jones III. That's a badass name, but Jughead is like "oh I'm moody and my name is jughead now"
Apparently he claimed Jughead was his actual name in the show? Which is unbelievably dumb but then again this is Riverdale we're talking about.
In the acutal comics, his name was that. But jughead used to be a snobby rich kid. His parents invested in a water company called Purejug, but instead they went bankrupt. So when he became poor people started calling him 'jughead' just to make fun of him. It's just a nickname that kind of stuck on him.
(The comics are really good btw)
@@sai-ct2jh its even weirder to think about how much jughead HATES his name since in the 2015 reboot (which the show is inspired by/based off of), he has a whole SCENE dedicated to him explaining that he basically reclaimed the jughead nickname
WHY CANT THIS SHOW JUST *OWN IT?* JUGHEAD IS A COOL NICKNAME GUYS.
@@sai-ct2jh Be careful with that, his name is "revealed" on multiple occasions, the very first time it's actually a lie. He bribes his aunt to call him "steve" so that everyone thinks they have the real name and stop bugging him about it. There's also one comic in which a school teacher calls him by his given name (Forsythe), which has the knockon effect of revealing that the name itself has semi-hypnotic properties that compel women to throw themselves at him with heart-throbbing affection.
I bet the reason he is called Jughead is because is mother is stupid and probably was high cause it’s his stupid mother
writers: tries to sell Archie as a sweet character
Archie: Is a cheater, was in a relationship with a teacher, held someone at gunpoint, starts a fascist gang
P.S.riverdale is like twilight if it was a series, more chaotic, and wasn't written by a mormon
To play Riverdale’s advocate I think the teacher relationship wasn’t on him as relationships like hey almost always have a power dynamo in the teacher’s favor. And no offense to Archie but there was a reason he isn’t the brightest guy.
Riverdale Archie is straight up a stereotypical bully they are failing badly
Archie starts a whaaaaaaat?
@@IncensedAgitator he actually starts 2. Also he joins a biker gang, is forced to join an illegal inmate boxing ring, fights a bear, a dude dressed as a bear, commits arson at least once and become a a mafia boss' right hand man.
This is the same character whose main conflict in s1 was a rip-off of Troy Bolton from high school musical and Finn Hudson from glee.
@@lihuenbaez6154 HOLY MOLY WHAT IS THIS SHOW?
The thing that bothers me most is that Archie comics are generally pretty wholesome. There are darker storylines but the characters are always consistent. You can do dark gritty Archie stories without being this mess.
I don't really read much of the comics, but I'm curious about what are those "darker storylines"?
@@ninarances9074 At least in the "future possibilities" comics it deals a lot with death, grief, monopoly, being heartbroken, and is overall pretty dark. It's possible its the exception, and I did read it quite a while back, but from what I remember it was kinda heartbreaking to read because these are such happy characters
I remember a story where Betty was kidnapped by the son of Mr. Lodge's rival (he saw her walking out of the Lodge mansion and thought she was Veronica), and held hostage while the abductor sent a fake letter to the Coopers saying she ran away to join a commune (this story ran in the early 70s, I think).
Another story where Jughead pushes Archie out of the way of a runaway truck and gets hit in the head by a box that fell off the truck and almost dies.
A bittersweet story that ran in the 90s where Jughead meets a homeless man who was a big band drummer and let's him drum with the Archies, when he goes back to see him on the streets, he finds out the man died.
Another story that was part of a kid-friendly homage to 1984 where Reggie's dad was put into jail for talking about the military at Mr. Lodge's factory in his newspaper. Reggie manages to free his dad by blackmailing the judge working the case after the judge is caught in a compromising position with a secretary.
@@NefariousEvildoer wow, that would be a way better story than the actual one.
Riverdale is weird. It's a weirdo. It doesn't make sense and doesn't want to make sense. Have you ever seen one episode without that bad writting ? That's weird.
Leila did you just ...
10/10 comment
AHHHHH 😂😂😂
Your version is STILL better writing than Jughead’s line.
Leila that was actually really good 😂👏🏼
riverdale is me trying to explain my dream but i don’t remember half of it
YES!! Omg yes!!,
oh
exactly
Or when your dream randomly switches storylines or has a major time jump.
Omg, yes
absolutely FURIOUS that they completely wiped out Jugheads sexuality. If you need another example of this shows obbsession with oversexualization of every character- Jughead is CONFIRMED, COMES OUT IN THE COMICS as Asexual, and the show completely wiped that
Little infuriates me more than Ace erasure, I haven't even read Archie comics and I'm mad as hell about this!
Just let the boy eat his burgers, read his comics, and play with his dog in peace, CW.
Never read the comics or even watched the series, but for what I read from various comments Jughead's sexuality was defined in the comics after the series was already sexualizing him.
@@JesterQueenAnne well, same boat but also from what I have seen there were things even before that people could easily interpret as him being asexual, so the comics more or less just made it canon eventually. In any case, the show's version of hin seems to barely even resemble Jughead which is probably what most people would be pissed about.
@@fieratheproud someone not being interested in having a relationship being interpreted as ace/aro is such a stretch. But anyway, yeah, the character in the series having nothing to do with the original is really the problem.
So interesting fact, Jughead actually wears what's called a "Whoopee Cap," which is a type of hat once common among both youths and mechanics. It got popular around the time men started wearing fedoras, being fairly easy to modify from a fedora, because it was still considered polite for men to wear a hat when outside.The snapback baseball cap wouldn't gain prominence until the 1970s and the bowler had become somewhat more expensive and 'formal,' the options left were the beanie or making a hat of your own. Beanies, however, were often associated with college students, and in an area with a prominent town/college divide, a 'town' type wouldn't want to copy college fashion. On top of that, the cheapest beanies were typically made of canvas, which can grow stiff when dirty, and would usually come only in light colors. A fedora offered a more varied color selection, however, meaning that the dirt could be more easily hidden.
So, workmen would purchase brown, black, or grey fedoras and cut off the brims. The fact that these modifications were typically made by the workmen themselves with scissors rather than the merchant (or their wives) meant the brim would typically turn out jagged. Rather than trying to even that out, the men who made Whoopee Hats began to lean into it, cutting the edge of the brim off first and them using triangle cuts to finish rather than trying to be even.
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The style would be copied by the workmen's sons, who (Not having the same practical need) would cut the brims higher on the brim and more deeply into it. However, this meant the brim would often flop, which would necessitate securing the brim with thread (if mom would help) or a pin or button (if she wouldn't.)
This lead to the buttons themselves becoming accessories, somewhat like buttons and pin on a person's bag or backpack today (or maybe last decade)? Which would lead to the more ostentatious 'crown'-style whoopees shown here.
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However, with the continued rise in the popularity of baseball, fall in the popularity of the beanie on college campuses, and more intentionally transgressive youth cultures such as greasers, beatniks, and others, the whoopee hat died out after around the 1950s... Which is not too long after the Archie comic series began.
With the characters having always been exaggerated and the original style being mimicked in the design pretty much gone from the artist's consciousness, Jughead's whoopee hat would grow larger. While it grew, it was still largely recognizably a whoopee hat to someone who knew what they were looking for right up until about the '70s or '80s. In the '70s and '80s, the fast-food company Burger King began to distribute paper crowns. Because of the crown's popularity and tie to Jughead's primary fixation (food,) once that was introduced the hat would be drawn pretty much just int he style of a crown, at times even getting flares and similar ornamentation impossible in felt in some more detailed images.
That's really interesting.
Very interesting, I kind of remembered a few pictures from my youth so I always knew that jughead's hat was some kind of style. Interestingly Jughead's crown beenie from the show to me seems like a very accurate update of the original style.
Love how interesting the story of a funny hat is. Humans are very interesting
super super interesting !!
Remember when Archie wanted to be a musician? He probably doesn’t
literally what the fuck happened to that whole storyline
He switched to become a vigilante like batman right?
Exactly
Muhammad Haiqal he switched to become how Oliver Queen started 😂 cause CW shows have to be superhero format 😂
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riverdale is basically someone trying to recreate highschool without actually ever stepping foot in a normal highschool.
Worse. It was someone in the 40s trying to recreate their high school from the 20s, which lasted well into the 60s such that it sanded out much of the generational divide, was considered an alien landscape all it's own in the 80s, and somehow retained some impact into the culture of the 2000s. It's like ... trying to recreate the recreation of the almost not-quite recreation of the fake recreation of the genuine recreation of the actual high school society that was once real but now feels ridiculous.
I always saw it as degrassi but edgier and in the 60s
Yea. Highschool is memes and grades not sex and crime. At most youll have someone say they had sex with someone outside of school that you never met and never will
Like f the prom
PrisonCipher anime is not supposed to be realistic, unlike riverdale, which is why riverdale is so bad and hated.
Fun fact:
"Jughead" is actually his nickname in the comics.
His real name is Forsythe Pendleton Jones.
Not only that, he’s Forsythe Pendleton Jones _III._
It’s the same in the show. They’ve mentioned it a few times.
Why didn't they just call him Syth? It sounds more like an actual name. Although nothing in this show is realistic, to begin with
@@justsomegirlwithoutamustacheHis dad, Forsythe Pendleton Jones Jr., goes by F.P. That option was literally placed right in his lap, and he was like "nah, let's use this nickname that I can tell is derogatory even though I'm not even sure what it means."
the fact that jughead is CANONICALLY asexual and they didn’t even try to respect that makes me angry on levels my brain cannot comprehend
hes canonically asexual???? wait how????
@@pogchamp5276 in the comics, for a while there was a bit of a gag with him having a girlfriend because she made good food. And that was it.
Though afterwards they just said he was aromantic and asexual and never brought up any romantic relationships ever again for him, and it's his defining trait, plus the crown.
Although I've never read the comics, so I'm sort of basing it off of other comments. But yeah, as an ace myself, gib representation Hollywood
@@lutrinae_yt I haven't read much of the comics either, but I was reading the Archie Comics Fandom Wiki and it says how he married Midge and have a child with her, and he used to have three girlfriends in the past. So that makes me confused.
@@ninarances9074 basically, he's only aroace in the new version of the comics. Before, he just wasn't that interested in dating.
@@samt3412 Oh ok, thank you!
"I have never read the Archie comics" that's ok, I doubt the writers have either
I collect the old Archie comics and I even have a few of the Betty's Diary comics as well And let me tell you. They haven't, they completely ignored what made the comics so great. They just though of well If we say it's apart of the Archie and friends maybe more people will watch it. Which is really sad.
At least it hasn’t got a love triangle
@@sineadthomas2024 the comics and the show both have elements of the love triangle..?
LMAO
the comics were pretty great but the show...what show?
The fact that Jughead is a nickname *he gave himself* and he’s complaining about getting bullied about it😭
FRR LMAOO
AND ALSO HOW HE COMPLAINS ABOUT HOW HE NEVER TAKES HIS HAT OFF LIKE DUDE... YOU CAN CONTROL THAT. JUST TAKE IT OFF IF YOU WANT
PLSSS
Came here looking for this comment lol
RIGHHT ? I mean if I had a shitty name like Forsythe I would come up with a regular ass nickname wtf.
Now that they’ve jumped seven years in the future, you’ve gotta do a sequel
What?
@@sunettas9738 Now that they've jumped seven years in the future, she has to do a sequel.
Oh you mean that in the latest season, there's been a timeskip of 7 years?
in season five?
I remember when my brother saw the trailer and told me that Archie was a miner. I lost it bro.
Turns out he was actually a soldier having a war on the high school football field but that’s just as funny to me.
"dark betty" is 100% something I would have written as a younger teen in the early 2010's to post on deviantart or tumblr and it gives me so much secondhand embarrassment
"Archie andrews is not the leader... he's just the tallest boi" this is the best thing ive ever heard
jughead is taller
@@bagel5394 but jughead's scrawny ass can't fight for shit
But reggie is taller
He is the tall one, and he’s got abs
@@gauravr7216 in the comics he could technically fight im pretty sure.
the stupid show changed his character completly
the fact that jughead’s supposed to be poor and owns the same jacket in 4 different shades of the same color
skawesome those jackets are vintage Levi sheepskins as well / up to about $400 a pop in vintage stores and eBay.
SERA Xx granted I’ve seen one at good will in decent condition for $40 that was just one time in my 21 years of existing 😂😂😂
i mean yeah he's poor, not an animal
@@galiciaart yeah but poor people arent animals for not having the same jacket in four shades of the same color
And a MacBook
as an archie "fan" meaning I just read it when I was a kid. this is the weirdest shit.
"all the nice references they make"
I noticed none of them were actually references to ARCHIE.
Well yeah, the writers haven’t read ARCHIE!
Hell i don't think they've even seen "Archies weird mysteries"
If you read the Archie comics, you'd not be able to objectively criticize Riverdale anyway, because the only sound you'd produce was screams of rage.
I've never seen Riverdale and every time I hear a plot point it sounds like a joke.
"Archie fights a bear"
"There's a D&D cult"
"The rapture happens"
"Archie starts a gang of fascist vigilantes"
One of the main characters becomes a vampire.
Edit; at least in the comics, waiting for the show to do it still.
None of this is inaccurate.
There is this cult leader and he wants to fly away in a rocket
you forgot the serial killer genes ✨
the first season is rlly good tho (i cant say the same about the rest)
I will admit, I don't like that they sexualized Jughead. Jughead shows ZERO interest in girls in the comics. Any time a girl comes after him, he shows infinite more interest in food. And I know this because when I was 10 I had a whole stack of Jughead comics. The hat is cute though.
yeah, a lot of people are bringing up that while Jughead is canonically aroace in the new comic run, it was made after Riverdale was already planned, but that doesn't mean it's not weird
@@iwakeupandboomimarat I'm not even gonna...
@@iwakeupandboomimarat wdym
t'was my favourite part of Jughead, he loved food and he sold what was basically the only thing keeping him alive to a witch for a Pizza sandwich.
@@iwakeupandboomimarat ah, thanks for telling me
I feel like there are 2 main types of Riverdale fans:
The fans who watch it for characters like Cheryl (and Cheryl & Toni's relationship)
And the fans who watch it for the cringe and make youtube videos about it so the rest of us don't have to endure said cringe
I genuinely think that Riverdale is like what happens when a showrunner made a My Immortal style fanfiction in their youth and had the thing professionally backed.
@@zogwort1522 whoa man, what did melodramatic fanfic writers ever do to you?
I just saw a comment that said “riverdale is written by wattpad authors” or something like that but let’s be honest... the majority of wattpad stories are better than Riverdale.
Jayden Jones yep. I have read some good stuff
True
you can find 300 1D adoption stories, same plot, same OC name, and it'd still be better than this bullshit
i like ur profile pic brother
I'm sad that I agree with this.
My favourite line was "a snake never sheds it's skin"
Yeah, Jughead, they do. It's one of the things they are known for doing
@Eddie at The LMV I'm not sure it was even that meaningful. Iirc the school wanted Jughead to stop wearing his gang jacket at school (which, tbh, is a pretty fair thing to ask) so he replies that a serpent never sheds it's skin
As a cobra myself, here's a much better metaphor
"Snakes always shed their skin."
It means that a dangerous and clever perople are difficult to predict.
it's supposed to be "a snake can shed its skin, but it's still a snake," Letterkenny got it right haha
That was... A pun.
To ridicule that line even more, if a snake doesn't shed it's skin right it dies. It's necessary for them to survive.
the show had so much potential tbh, the characters, the cinematography, the aesthetic, if only they had better writers 🥲
Betty be doin the shonen protagonist hand squeeze. Sounds like a leather jacket being crushed.
I feel bad for the actors who actually have to keep a straight face and say these lines
They probably think it’s hilarious
😂
@@pukk6094 Lili is actually fucking depressed thinking about the storyline
i can't believe that Cole is still laying jughead
I was like 1 thousand
Jughead could have just said "I don't want to fit in. That's why I wear this." *points at hat*
exactly!
"that's why i wear this hat, that's weird"
or "Im quirky lols look at my hat sksks"
Right would've been easier
Thats just what he said in a different way though
The reason why this is so terrible is because it's trying to be edgy but it's also based off of the goddamn Archie comics
Exactly! Like imagine if they made a gritty murder mystery with the character from PEANUTS, it’s just so absurd
@@melr.6738 Theirs actually a skit of dark peanuts on youtube somewhere.
@@Little_Eris yep I think it was from Jimmy fallon or something, but proves that the idea it completely absurd
Lets be honest at best the only drama parts in archie happen every other 15 fucking years if not more
And even then that gets rewritten 2 weeks later
Now imagine making 6 seasons of that... Still better than this horse shit we call a "show"
the funniest part of the 'my name is jughead ' thing is that Jughead was(obviously) not his birthname????? Like, if the writers had put any amount of research into the original character, they would know his legal name is Forsythe, and that he was made to be the weird jester character in contrast to the forced love triangle between Archie, Veronica, and Betty
You forget Archy constantly being naked and Veronica saying "endgame" every 5 minutes or so.
Maybe she liked the movie way too much
In the riverdale universe "endgame" basically means a couple being destined to stay together for eternity.
yeah...we know that, kim
Kim Reich r/whoosh
Veronica also says daddy every 2 minutes
They problem isn't that they look like adults (which a lot of teenagers can pass as adults, and everyone matures differently), it's that they are constantly thrown into adult situations, without their age having any relevance. This show could work the exact same way with adult characters.
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That's true. Most of them look young enough, they would probably look even younger if they weren't meant to look older.
YES. Season one was actually kinda good because the teens acted more like teens that matured through traumatic circumstances. They also got the police involved when bad things happened (which was such a breath of fresh air from the whole Pretty Little Liar drama), but of course they totally ditched that in season two because reasons... But in the rest of the seasons, they all just act like adults. There's not even classroom shots with teachers or mention of homework or school projects (just PROM or random "school-like" events). The best we see of school is their hang out room and the hallways. They do sexualize teenagers (especially with that whole Mad World pole dance with Betty.) AND Veronica has this weird side business like an actual adult. What 16-17 year old could seriously RUN a restaurant and LEGALLY sell alcohol? (And not get caught.) (Side note: Some teens might be capable, but most don't have the time with school and other commitments [for ex. Veronica is on cheer squad].) And it wasn't even the best keep secret either. Like apparently in season 4 she sells RUM. She's not even of legal age to DRINK let a lone sell. Sigh... Honestly, they could have just been seniors in the first season and started college in the rest of the seasons because that's what it feels like. (Though there would have been A LOT more paper writing and test cramming in there, so yeah).
True af.
Dude they disappear from their homes a day, two days, they go a weekend to a lake house and their parents really really don't care. They're totally chill with teen sex and why not? They stop murderers.
Riverdale is just an edgy bottom of the barrel romance Wattpad Y/N fanfic mixed with another edgy bottom of the barrel horror creepy pasta fanfic Both written by 12 year olds
I read this as “Riverdale is just an edgy bottom” and was about to be offended on behalf of edgy bottoms. Then I read to the end and was offended on behalf of 12 year olds.
You’re right though.
We went from milkshakes and mysteries to cult leaders building space rockets, mutant robot moth men, actual bombs and witches. This show has a level of surreal storytelling I’ve only seen in pro wrestling and Mexican telenovelas
I have never watched Riverdale but all these untouched milkshakes are driving me nuts
the milkshakes were actually yogurt to make it look a lot thicker. the actors said it was disgusting, so i don’t blame them for leaving untouched milkshakes💀
@@jayden7596 💀💀💀🤢
@@jayden7596 really what interview?
I just want to watch Riverdale because of Cole and Lili
YESSSSS sameee
the show is at least aesthetically pleasing to look at. it definitely has a style. its a shame it sucks from a writing standpoint
The aesthetics were gorgeous in Season 1!
@Brupcat short answer: nilis b doesn't like it so there for it's bad
Very, I watched the very first scene (With the red car and the red-head twins etc) With a friend who'd watched the whole series and thought the show was setting itself up to be a beautiful artistic visual feast. I watched 5 minutes more and died from cringing at the writing.
(Doesn't mean I'm not hooked, though)
It’s the kind of show you have to leave on in the background or turn your brain off to truly enjoy, but you could just leave it on and laugh your ass off at what crazy bullshit they conjure up next like I do
Jugheads 'weirdo' line is one of the most iconic cringe dialogue lines of television history
Riverdale was a masterpiece Fr like it really hit me when Archie told the juvie inmate that because he’d been running drugs since 4 he’s never experienced the EPIC HIGHS AND LOWS OF HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL
I don't understand why they couldn't just make the premise in a college instead of high school.
They literally ONLY casted older people is because they're sexualizing the characters.
I thought the same thing. I feel like they will have much more freedom if its collage based but for some reason if the popular thing to have a high school setting
it could explain the amount of time they arent in school as well
@@iwakeupandboomimarat exactly!
I say this every time I watch this show.
-They can dress however they want
-the actors are at the right age to be in college
-They clearly do not have the normal 8am-3pm schedule cause they are always doing something random in the middle of the day, so it would make sense since no one has the same schedule in college
-They have lounge areas
Like, seriously, they wouldn't have to change anything.
I don't think the two high school's rivalries would make as much sense. Then again, the whole show doesn't make sense, so i say fuck it
Also in the comics, Kevin was NOT the gay best friend trope. Kevin was on the football team, a good friend of Archie and Reggie, and had a lot of character development before he came out. The Riverdale writers were the ones that scratched his original character to make him the gay best trope and still haven’t given him a good story arc for four seasons. I’ve considered making a video on how much they did Kevin dirty
Update: I’ll make the video for y’all
Well, I hope you do make a video. I'd be interested in watcing it.
i’d watch that! lmk if u ever make it :)
I’d absolutely watch that!!!
let us know if you make it!
kevin deserves better
Riverdale is just the most recent proof that Hollywood doesn’t know what people like.
Not every piece of teen media needs to be filled with angst, constant romantic drama, “quirky” characters, and behind-the-scenes criminal schemes.
Sometimes, people just want something realistic and down-to-earth, like, I don’t know, maybe the source material that Riverdale was supposed to be based off of?
The comics were very lighthearted. And it had very interesting things. Like Archie finding a frozen caveman and having him be friends
Remember when Archie was with Ms.Grundy and the show didn’t make it seem like it was that big of a deal? He was supposed to be 15-16 years old.
Panypo And see, that could’ve been an actual good storyline. Like tackling the fact that men can, and often are, victims of predatory women like that. I wish they’d gone more into detail about her, their relationship, and actually developed Archie realizing that she was a manipulating toxic cuntbag. It could’ve been SO good, but instead they just randomly send her off and kill her semi-offscreen.
Um i didn't care how big of a deal it was but i cared a LOT HOW IT WASNT EVEN PART OF THE PLOT AT ALL
@@katie5998 can someone explain to me how it was even crucial to the plotline at all bc they "were in the woods" at the time but it literally doesnt even matter to the story at all. They get càaught halfway thru the season and it doesnt add to the story at all Help
chaotic_gabby I think what they were trying to do was mislead the viewer. That was the point of them being in the woods. Otherwise, it’s completely pointless. They could’ve had a character plot line for Archie and his growth as a character & developing into someone whose more musically inclined, but then he turned into a football dweeb and it killed kt
@@katie5998 ughghghg i wish it was relevant tho!!!
Riverdale "teens" are how actual teens pretend to act irl on tumblr
bruh you just summed up the whole show, lmao.
Couldn't have said it better
Have you ever used tumblr?
Like 2013 tumblr, 2021 tumblr is frogge
@@L0rdOfThePies ho-ly shit Damon Gant himself?!
Ever since I saw veronica playing 7 minutes in heaven, I deleted my netflix app. That was all I could take
The appropriate tone for this show, source material considered, would have been something closer to Scott Pilgrim vs The World.
“There’s nothing worse to me than age-inappropriate casting.” -A 20-something playing a teenager
MB yea they make them act so grown and nothing like actual high schoolers it’s so annoying and ruins the whole effect. And these type of shows always insist on using a high school setting but want to completely remove it from reality it’s laughable really
yes, that's the joke
That's, that's the joke
My only problem is when these teen shows be walking around drinking alcohol in front of their parents 😭only 39% of teens can relate 😂
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Kevin doesn't get a boyfriend because the writers don't know how to write a compelling gay romance, so he gets relegated to the sad boy corner
Apollo9898LPs they want diversity points without really doing anything. So many shows do that. They include a gay character just because they feel they need to them just write them horribly or side line them, until they need to remind the audiences there is in fact a gay character. They gay character falls into being a. Stereotypical b. Comic relief c. Tragic (the tragedy being centered around the fact that they’re gay) or a mixture of all three.
I wish that wasn't true.
And they only "get away" with Cheryl & Toni's "relationship" because hot lesbians are hot to straight audiences.
I think its refreshing to have a character without a romance. many high school kids never got one. there is life beyond sex.
@@nobodysXghost Yeah... Too bad Kevin's character was reduced to "Lonely Gay Best Friend", and Jughead, who actually DIDN'T have or want any romance, because he was asexual, was turned into a sexually active straight guy...
For me, the reason I avoided the show as a whole was because it just felt like a SNL parody that tried to take itself too seriously
Growing up watching Archie's Weird Mysteries, seeing them try to do a "dark and gritty" reboot (as they tried to market it) just felt silly and cringy when I learned it was an actual show trying to be taken seriously and not a parody or skit of some sort.
It has that weird cringy overly-stereotypical dialog to it you find in movies like Scary Movie (which TRY to take the piss) but it *wants to be taken seriously*
And so it just falls flat on its face
It'd be like taking Tom and Jerry and turning it into a gritty crime drama or something, its just stupid from the get-go.
Tom and Jerry but they actually are two warring drug dealers fighting for turf
For the first point about references, I think a great example in my opinion of a way to have a character make references or a vessel to include references is Abed from Community. He is painted as this weirdo who can't understand reality but he connects to people through movies. His character feels like the screen writers just want references but the more you understand his character you can tell it is his personality and it makes sense. It also allows the show to go into a weird place with references where they feel natural like in the second paint ball where they go for a more Fist Full of Dollars spaghetti western style and transfer to a star wars reference style. Or in the Christmas episode where they completely break the style established and goes into claymation. And it makes sense that Abed controls these episodes and take more spotlight, this is where Abed succeeds in his world of references to movies, shows and video games that doesn't feel forced narratively. I think Abed is the type of character you mean as a vessel for fun references as a weird outcast who connects through media.
I was gonna sleep but now I have the word ‘dilfy’ banging around in my head like a windows screensaver so thanks for that.
Ditto, seriously, writers, if you want to be taken at all seriously, NEVER have a teenage girl comment on how hot her friend's middle aged father is!
I can't tell if it's more or less cringy than Insatiable's use of the word though 🤷♂️
This comment cured my depression and then gave it back.
A DILF is pretty much a MILF but a man.
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whhaaaa?! I love this line hahaha I legit rewound it to hear it again!
Riverdale did have potential, but a combination of peculiar themes, bad dialogue, and constant retconning and plot holes really just screw the whole thing over. It's based off a campy comic about a guy and his friends in high school. If it just had bad dialogue, or just had plot holes, or just had questionable themes, then it'd be alright, but all of those things put together plus the material that it is based off combine to make it "cringey."
sonqbiird agreed, I really like the show but I hate it why? See when I’m watching, I try to make it better some way. I hate it’s bad dialogue and it has to have is DRAMA. I agree with you completely!
You summed it up in 4 lines what this video couldn't do in 30 minutes lol
The main problem is that they turned Archie into a superhero
I agree but also it became so self aware to the point where it started unbearable to watch.
My problem with Riverdale is that I can’t put it down. It’s terrible writing, but the minute I’m ready to leave, they give me some amazing amazing scene. Or cleverly filmed, or uniquely written. I then stick around for 200 other bullshit scenes in the hope another comes around. Riverdale has had so many new seasons to change their writing, to improve and yet-they haven’t. I really thought the authors had an okay start and would get better but it only seems to get worse.
it’s like one of those lifetime movies. they’re dumb and they have bad acting, but you just want to keep watching to see what happens next.
I just can't get into Riverdale knowing that Jughead Jones is one of the only canon asexual characters in media and they took that away from us.
You really want a character from this disaster of a show to be your asexual representation? Almost seems like dodging a bullet to me.
Besides, you still have the comic. Why should shows and movies be the only media that matters? Expand
@@emblemblade9245 Cause honestly when you can count the characters that represent you on your hands, you will take anything.
@@emblemblade9245 shows and films are some of the most mainstream forms of media available - it's like the best way to get exposure, bc literally everyone watches the telly or knows someone who does and will talk to them about it. having an asexual character BE asexual on screen would be huge for the asexual community because it's never been seen before, and it'd open up a dialogue with people who've never even heard of it before
@@thatb1h855 Well thank God Raphael Santiago exists :)
@@miasmacaron nah. as an aromantic asexual, absolutely not, bad representation can be tangibly harmful, sometimes its not worth it. its really dissapointing and annoying but there is representation out there that you'd really rather not have exist, or at least not in a really popular piece of content where a ton of people will be seeing it.
“Betty and Veronica were forced to drink slow acting poison and Archie is getting shivved in prison while fighting bears.”
Me *who stopped watching halfway through season 2* : Excuse I??
lmao oh yeah it got crazy dramatic in season 3. it was also shot and filmed amazingly well imo so it makes you feel like ripping your hair out when you realise it really is only the writing that drags down the entire show
@@sparklyspangle nah,not"amazingly well". Not even close. It's just good.
@@yugandharjanardhan6466 eh maybe. I was thinking of a specific scene in season 3 that actually was done really really well, so I may be a bit biased there :)
Dude same I was a mix of being confused and understanding all at once
Season 3 they attempt to ripoff other movies. Silence of the lambs, Heather's, and more I cant remember off the top of my head. They took plots from good movies and fit each one into an episode. Even stranger things! They play "griffins and gargoyles " (DnD)
The most painful thing about this show is the fact that the casting choices are soo perfect.
well the show has to be good at something i guess
true and they’re all pretty good at acting... the writing does them so dirty
i know right, the characters are so interesting
too perfect in my opinion, they all look like supermodels
Kurucz Hanna the fact that they’re high schoolers is super weird to me, high schoolers just don’t look like fully developed mid twenty year olds. If they were college kids I might understand the unrealistic standards a bit more
That “I’m gonna speak in a little voice and crumple paper” bit had me crackin up
That opening shot... My first introduction to archie was the jughead comics where hes ace and then the comics with disability bait and then I found out the show didn't have jughead ace (those comics are actually pretty good) so this video is funnnn
Quinn, you obviously haven’t experienced the epic highs and lows of highschool football.
Ikr 🙄😂
The most infamous line
I would've been like "Yeah you're right" if he didn't say it to people in literal prison
Yes! Yes! Yes!
That! That is what everyone in prison is missing! They found it! Geniuses! 🤮
This show feels like it was written by a child, who has yet to be a teenager, and an adult, who was in a coma through their teenager years, and they've joined together to write a story about what they think being. "teen" is. 😑
Nah, they're written by adults who are half-assedly trying to think like a teenager, but fails miserably and cringey.
They were written by adults who only looked to 2012 tumblr and 2014 wattpad for what is "hip" with teens during 2010
Your voice is so satisfying to listen to. I feel you’d make a great voice actor.
Archie’s friends represent the different paths he can take in life. (In the comics & Original/older depiction’s)
Betty: representing him following in his father‘s footsteps with the hardware store with her being literally the girl next-door.
Veronica: representing him taking on his journalistic endeavors attempting to strike out on his own.
Jughead: representation if he refuses to act on either choice.
Because if it didn't then we wouldn't have any more musicals from Alex Meyers.
Alex's musicals are the best, and far more entertaining than anything that actually happens on the show!😉😂
Alex Myers helped me quit the drug that is Riverdale
Nothing can stop archie’s abs when they have that fire in their eyes
Look at how they ripple, just check out archie’s nipple!!!
Abs everywhere
Conspiracy: Riverdale is written by watt pad authors.
Hey, even Wattpad fanfiction has better writing 😂
@@pleaselovemeok5906 No it hasn't 😂
That would make too much sense.
I'm about 1000% sure it actually is and its just an experiment to see how many seasons will get picked up.
@@mylesthomas511 All of them. Look at how much money After made!
God, I love your approach to this critique. It feels so wholesome, compared to all the hate usually connected to these kinds of videos
Almost Everyone knows that this Show is stupid but still everyone watches it.
i still watch it because of jughead and betty, plus the mystery. most of it is extremely stupid.
Honestly most highschool shows would make more sense in college
Yes! Yeah! Mmhm! Uh huh! Affirmative!
@Dzimas whatever man i am not looking for realism everywhere. my concern is how unconvincing these actors are as high schoolers and how troublingly often they are sexualised. problems which would fix themselves if they were just older on the show
RIGHT? at least would make the objectification
more or less ''''''''okay''''''''' i think?
What? Having 25 year olds in highschool isn’t normal?
Actually yes! Absolutely!
"My name is Jughead"
Did show writers actively ignore that his name is Forsythe and he prefers to go by the nickname Jughead?
To be fair, Forsythe is not much better
It’s a legitimate - albeit uncommon - surname. Forsythe. Proper noun. A Scottish & Northern Irish surname from the Gaelic Fearsithe meaning "man of peace". *Though Forsythe is this Jughead’s forename (not surname) - nominative determinism could be a thing.
it's written as forsythe on his records + he's referred to as forsythe a few times in later seasons, they just never said it out loud until season 2 and i guess most people around him would know him as jughead instead. there's a kid who's been in my class for years with the surname sullivan who's been referred to as "sully" for as long as i've known him, even by the teachers, so i was genuinely confused when i heard his first name, yknow? it happens.
I said the same thing after you
i always thought that the nickname was forced on him but the writers genuinely thinking “jughead jones” is legitimately what’s written on his birth certificate is honestly more likely
Even in season one it’s clear the writers do not know how to place Archie in this version of Riverdale. First few episodes he’s in a highly unethical relationship with his teacher (which the writers must have realised a few episodes too late wasn’t a good storyline) and spends the rest of the season tied up with the music vs football dilemma or in romance sub-plots with Valerie or Cheryl. He’s completely unconnected to the investigation of Jason Blossom’s murder.
When the writers actually give KJ Apa good material to work with, mostly to do with Fred Andrews in a bad position, he absolutely sells the raw emotion we’re told Archie is feeling. But this is the exception to the standard material he’s given.
maybe don't frame Archie's relationship with his teacher while he was 15-16 (a legal child in america) as something that's kind of his fault, since it literally isn't. if that isn't what u were trying to do then sorry it just read that way /g
when you were talking about the references it made me think of Gilmore Girls. Rory and Lorelei are constantly making references and that makes sense for them because they watch a lot of movies and listen to a lot of music and Lorelei did it first and Rory does it because she learned it from her mom and its constant because Rory sometimes makes book references that Lorelei doesn't get because she's not as big of a reader as Rory is and the only other people who make references are they people that spend a lot of time around Rory and Lorelei. You can see it in Dean, the more time he spends with the girls the more he starts to understand their references and stuff and sometimes will make his own references with them about stuff they've seen together. You can also see it with Luke, he's known Lorelei since way before the story started so her way of speaking and making references has rubbed off on him a bit, but both with him and Dean it works because it feels natural with the amount of time they spent with the girls. Anyway Riverdale doesn't do any of that.
The much better show It's Always Sunny in Philadephia has a similar concept, take a seemingly innocent and cliched premise, sitcoms and the Archie comics, and make it a darkly comedic series while being subversive, but while It's Always Sunny has very smart and talented writers behind it, Riverdale thinks smart writing is just saying "Wow thats dumb or cliched".
That seems like such a good counterexample of how to do a similar thing right, but I haven't seen It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. I've heard they're really good with that. It might be a useful more constructive counterpoint in a future video.
@@QuinnCurio While I'm not a huge fan of a lot of "Subversive" shows they become their own version of a cliche, It's Always Sunny stands out mainly due to the cast and genuine passion they have. These videos by people much smarter than me can explain it better
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Quinn Curio please please please do an analysis on its always sunny in Philadelphia PLEEEEAAAAAASSSSEEEE!
What I love about always sunny is how every episode basically starts out with ''the gang'' being either bored or wanting to make some money, so they decide to do something. And by the end of the episode they've just left this path of destruction behind, ruining people days or sometimes even their lives. They then either deny their part in it or are completely oblivious of their wrongdoing and carry on their lives as usual.
Its completely over the top and insane, but in a weird sort of realistic way. It is also probably the only show I know where people frequently get into arguments while talking at the same time and cutting off each others lines. Its also the reason this show stands out for me so much, because the absolute chaotic mess that Always Sunny brings is so different from all other sitcoms where characters just carefully line up a joke and wait for some other member to deliver the punchline.
And partially because Danny Devito is a gift to humanity.
I just absolutely hate this show because of the over sexualization of high schoolers. Like its so bad. Also the sexualization of lesbian relationships. and how they ruined heathers
#freetonitopazandcherylblossom
they did heathers wrong so fucking wrong
@@denkishusband3440 LITERALLY
@@denkishusband3440 Heathers does not deserve this treatment ;-;
I feel as though that disgusting adaptation is grounds to blow up their school and stage it as a mass suicide.
this is already so good and i'm only a few minutes in. feels very apropos that KJ Apa just said being on the show "feels like jail"!
I honestly would love to see a character analysis from you. I really like the way you delivered this video, and would love to see more like this.
DID SHE JUST TELL ARCHIE'S DAD THAT HE LOOKS DILFY💀
No i think the actor just died inside
@@UnlimitedGreenWorks that didnt age well...
@@poorvabharambe2041 oh god please, dont tell me hes dead
@@UnlimitedGreenWorks .....
@@poorvabharambe2041 no...No...NOOOOOO!
My god everyone in those interviews look miserable
I watched several of them and I can confirm. Lily clearly wants to quit the show, others too lmao. I wouldn't say that about Cole though, just like in pretty much any interview ever he is goofy, stupid and fun in Riverdale interviews aswell. I guess he just likes to mess around. Can't say he doesn't want to quit tho, he probably does.
@@mhm77887 I just don't think he gives a crap.
@@mhm77887 In an interview, he admitted he felt icky going with the show's drastic changes (I think he used the word "butchered" or something) to the source material as he is a fan of the Archie comic himself. He probably laughs at the show everytime but this was his way back in showbiz, I guess.
Look hard enough, you could see the shadow of the gun being aimed at them. In reality and their mental thinking to get through that bullshit.
Yeah but the money tho
I can probably start watching it again, after I've had time to completely divorce it from the EVERYTHING I REMEMBER FROM THE COMICS, but going into it with that knowledge? Broke me. I was screaming at the show constantly, I was ranting to confused friends (who also had never read the comics), I was tearing phone books in half from rage. I haaaaate what they did to 90% of all the characters.
Midge and Moose were okay.
Quinn: "but to avoid making this video too 'blood for the blood god-'"
Me: "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!
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...Oh, wrong kind of video."
Can we address their clothes? Absolutely no one in highschool dresses like this. No school's dress code would even allow it
Edit: I know some schools have different dress codes, you don't have to keep telling me. I am north american. I know now highschool students who would be allowed to dress like this or wealthy enough to afford it.
I always wear dresses and heels to school, but like you said, they were crop tops and 7 inch heels, our school would NEVER let us do that
i can understand this compared to other teen dramas
because their clothes somewhat have the cartoony vibe that a comic would have thats acceptable because this is based off of the comics
but most over teen dramas try to depict themselves as realistic but still wear these clothes
my school did
My school dress code was jeans and white t-shirt. Nothing other than sneakers allowed.
Atleast their clothes look good lol
My issue with Kevin is that he’s there so that the riverdale team can say “HEY LOOK WE HAVE A GAY CHARACTER LOOK WE ARE SO SUPPORTIVE AND WOKE. DO YOU SEE IT. DO YOU SEE THE CHARACTER. DO YOU. DO YOU!?” But once they never had any more idea than that. And so he’s so half assed as a character because of it.
Worst part is Kevin actually has an actual, non stereotypical character in the comics while still being gay. Meaning they *downgraded* his character into a stereotype
@Tum Tum this. When I found out that Jughead was actually asexual but deliberately ignored in the tv adaptation I know I'm never gonna watch it. One obvious representation just for representation, and the other being ignored because either a) they don't really believe asexuality is a thing (which is still a huge problem sadly) and/or b) they want sexy times because good shows have sex or something.
George Lister they’ve done a lot with Kevin but he sometimes feels forced to me
Thank you at this point Kevin should just be killed off because there's no plot unlike Cheryl and Toni where it actually makes sense to have the both of them
Yeah, I mean:
One discovers their family is composed by undercover incestuous fascists
Another finds out her whole family has been torn apart by a cult that they to this day thinks will protect them
The other is unfairly put in jail as a scapegoat so the homicide doesn't get in the hands of the mayor that's secretly working on a high level conspiracy, whose daughter is trying to stop by raising in power and influence to then boycott him.
Then you have that guy that's gay for the police officer's son...oh yeah and he helps the others with their things... Sometimes
Someone explaining WHY its bad in great detail like this is amazing. Great video!
I love watching your videos about things I've never read/watched and never plan to read/watch.