Desert Testing 2 STARK VARG ELECTRIC Dirt Bikes!
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- In this video, we test 2 Stark Varg Electric Dirt Bikes in the desert of Moab, Utah.
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Battery range test! 6.2kwh battery pack? It will be interesting to compare range to the KTM freeride.
Battery range
Definitely the range...it has me worried...that it doesn't go that far.
Range is alway the #1 question/concern/deal breaker on any electric mobility product - do the range test and also compare range to the KTM Freeride E-XC. Make some low power (maybe 15~20hp) maps and see how they work with lap time comparisons on your loops. So many questions about these Varg electric dirt bikes!
Stark varg full disassembly, I want to see motor internals and battery +BMS
Would love to see range test running 40 hp, both in tight single track and wide-open stuff like you were doing in this video👍👍
This is literally my dream ride ... Been to Moab once with a friend and i've been dreaming about returning ever since. Not to think about how it would feel with a Varg 🤩🤩🤩🤯
Tucker, you are killing me. I’ve ridden Moab on old school mountain bikes, new school mountain bikes, dirt bikes, a trials moto and a side by side. Now I want to hit it on a super sick electric moto. Looks so fun!
@ark6959 You would love it!
That gets even better when there's 2 non noisy bikes to watch. I dunno why but I like the move towards quieter that electric offers.
Agreed. Getting rid of noise makes the whole prospect of bikes more appealing to the public. People are already accepting e -scooters, skateboards, bikes, etc as modes of transportation.
If anything I'd say these bikes coming online is curiously slow. Considering how easy these are to produce compared to cars and trucks etc. Things that make you go hmmmmm
I enjoyed that fast rip - looked fun! Can't wait for my Varg!
Man.... That looks like a heap of fun! Awesome to see you guys riding so free! And that Stark really rides well over the rough spots 👌 that suspension is awesome. The traction is phenomenal (personally I liked your lines throughout the ride more conservative on the knobby tyre👍) that rear grip is your conservative.....cause electric + torque = torn off knobbies.
I like everything about this bike
I like your lines and to
Amazing scenery. Living the dream!
Great job on the video folks! Thanks for making it.
A range test is very much needed here!
You're two riding skills really show what those electric motorcycles are capable of.
Thanks for the ride Bro, looks like a fun capable bike..bummer about the flat..looking forward to your next one 👍
@holisticaustralia 🙌
Sick riding and even sicker bike!
Love that trail! Moab 😂is made for eMotos! And Tubeliss… I’ve ridden that on my KTM 2T, SurRon, and soon to be Ultra. Crazy grippy sand stone, steep as hell, ledgey, sandy greatness! We are very fortunate to have these trails in our back yard. Great video. It gets me inspired to make plans!
Sweet vid dude! Bummer the tube went flat, but oh well. No biggie.
I heard that the "light Stark" tubes aren't that great and pop easily. They said that they are still working on them so it's probably better to run another tube for now like you said.
Cannot wait to see you ride more and test this thing!!
I can’t believe nobody has commented that you’re out there riding with supercross promoter legend! So cool.
@stevesagerson710 The man behind the scenes of some big things in moto, for sure!
Dude that trail looks sooooo sick
I think stark really nailed they first bike, because dirt bike was the most needed type of bike to become electric because of all the avantage it has over ICE no noise no maintenance and better torque.
awesome ride and playground thanks
Them sounding like RC cars makes this even better- who knew this sound would eventually be the sound of grown up toys
Amazing! I can’t wait to have one 😊
So many tracks in Scotland which have been either closed or severely limited in opening days due to noise complaints. These things offer a far brighter future for the sport on that front regardless of any nostalgic love for combustion driven bikes.
That’s looks so fun!
Love ridin those Sandy berms on that trail👍🏻
So cool Tucker!
I'd love to see a battery range test on single track.
How long can you ride and how much distance can you cover?
I want to be able to stay on the trail as long as my gas bike riding buddies.
That was sick bro! I was just there with my Gas Gas 300. Super fun. It can also be brutal out there. Clutch killers, lol.
@FarmerFpv Awesome man! Meant to comment earlier, your GasGas project sounds really cool. Would love to see it.
You guys are so lucky having these sorta places to ride,,, im uk its dead, nothing like that here,,, i ride ma beast in ma profile pic when i want the crosser feel,,, while stilllooking somewhat mtb
Fantastic!!!👍👍👍👍👍
Eric is just one of the coolest guys
Awesome video and good example of what not to do riding in the middle of nowhere. Looks like a lot of fun. So, I'm guessing there are no air filters on those bikes, which would be a big plus 😁
What a sick spot
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I knew it! If that was an ICE bike it never would have flatted!!
Seriously though wow. The bike and the video does not disappoint.
Almost in my neck of the woods! If you make your way up to Provo/Salt Lake City area, shoot me a message. I can show you everything from flowy singletrack to hard/extreme Enduro stuff.
Are you taking the Varg to Tennessee TKO? I'm heading out of Utah in a few days to make my way over there. I'll be on my Electric Motion Escape R.
@dotscott854 Awesome! Planning to bring both the Varg and the EM Escape R to TKO. I won't be racing the Varg though.
@@ElectricCycleRider yeah I figured you'd be back on the EM for this race. Looking forward to seeing the Varg in person though. My Varg won't be here till March if next year.
I'll see you at TKO next week! ⚡💪⚡
wow~ good view. 😊
I wish you would give us more detail on setup and how the bike feels. Last video you were telling us how bad it felt on rocks and yet here you are flying comfortably on rocks. Is this a different bike? Did you play with settings? Did you swap out the springs?
I wish could use moose on my dual sport bike but lot of riders said no it’s only for off road!!! Man those are cool electric bikes!!!
Did you get the suspension adjusted for your weight?
@Surfratglass Not yet! The next video we filmed (coming soon) was the beginning of testing suspension before we ran into some hurdles, plan to show in the next video.
It's pretty funny that after all the hype about it being able to run a full MXGP race, we have seen that the battery lasts only about 15 minutes when running mostly on mid power range on a flat sandy mx track under ex-pro rider.
It also limits power heavily as the battery cells heat up during riding or a battery has about 20% left. Charging takes something like 2,5 hours also.
Interested to see when media is going to bring up these little drawbacks.
Holy crap I want one
Need some Tubliss tires!
What is the top speed?
Is it air cooled?
This was SO sick. Do you have any idea if they are planning on doing more of a trail bike and maybe even street legal?
Street legal would be a game changer. There's no reason not to put a plate on one of these. A street conversion would be easy.
I would be a huge fan of a street legal one. Considering this high tech already costs like a KTM E-XC, even a 40hp 5kWh Stark at < 100kg would be unbeatable
@mikepfeifer1753 I can't speak to what Stark has going on internally but I do know it's been a topic of conversation from the start. Would be very cool!
Please ride pritchett canyon while you're there. Would really love to see how it handles some more technical stuff.
@gregdecker138 This was my quickest trip to Moab, only there for less than 24 hours but we'll be back to ride some more this Fall.
I went to Moab a few years ago. We rode Pritchet. Some crazy stuff.
@@philipmarr7325 Haha. Definitely some crazy stuff but super fun.
Do u have some info that there will be stark varg road legal??
I need that as my supermoto!!🎉
Ok just so happens I live in UT and ride MOAB multiple times a year and watching this just got me excited to ride down there again, once it cools down a bit. But really what I wanted to know is, can these pull off 60+ miles of riding going the pace you were in the first few minutes of that video using no less than 40hp?
Nope!
@flingndirt_UT I'm going to film some proper range tests where we aren't filming so we can get a legit number but I can confirm that 60+ miles is unfortunately not going to happen.
Glad I pulled out from buying one of these as that's my expectation before I convert to electric dirt bike
@@flingndirt_UT I ride Moab almost daily on an electric dirtbike. feel free to reach out if you've got any questions or hit me up next time you're in town if you want to ride :D
No they won't do 60 miles but neither will my Husky TE 300i at that pace. Also long trail rides are not what the Stark was designed for. It looks like immense amount of fun to ride a Stark Varg in Moab like this, but anyone who expects it to be able to do a long day of riding will be sorely disappointed. A very long charge time will be needed after about 35 miles of fast trail riding. BTW, I'm not a Stark hater--I have one on order for October. Just a realist.
Nice job ripping it up on Fins and Things!! How much power did you have left after F&T??
@crashymoto I wrote to someone earlier: I’d be lying to you if I said I was paying attention to mileage and battery percentage on this ride! Most info I can give is we started at mid 90%, went out and filmed some of these shots for an hour, put on the GoPro and went and rode the trail, and then I flatted… when we stopped I think I was at 65% battery. Total mileage would be a complete guess. Planning to do proper range tests soon where I am not guessing. 👍
I would like to see next
C.) A proper double blip and static zap / stuff technique .. if possible without clutch
🤟🏼🤟🏼🤟🏼thats quality
Only needed to happen once to me b4 learning the ways of the Mousse.
I’d like to see a single track range test. Curious what it does on 80hp.
So hard to control ! Too much power even I do musculation for 23 Years and my biceps are 50cm this bike is too hard to control as Tortellini said
You wouldn't run it in 80hp mode on ST.
need top 10 pro rider on motocross track-supercross too much think...spin@@jeanrenaut196
People say 80 is completely uncontrollable. I’ve yet to see anyone put down their best lap time even on 60 hp. Most seem to be setting it to ~50
1) do they make a heavy knobbed motocross run flat? 2) Is Varg working on a quick battery swap-out?
Repair kit and a couple of spoons?
Would love to ride those trials with my Varg
@enforcer-enduro 🙌
How many miles and how long were you riding before the flat front tire? Doesn’t say in the video
Where did you find them ?!
Stark Saïd there IS not bike delivered instread of testing for producer?!
So if I was to just leave my house to do a 60 mile loop. A lot of wide open full throttle. Will it make it?
Why no range numbers on this type of terrain?
Tubliss before my first ride.
I want to know if I can complete a 2 hr hare scramble race in FL and SE conditions. Maybe 50 hp range as I currently race a 23 KTM 300XC 2-stoke in the B class
I believe the range is about 32 miles. I have one on order and was hoping to use it for hare scrambles but that's not looking possible. Some European guy trail range tested it
I'm not sure if it's out yet? But look into getting some 3D printed inserts and they are basically a run flat? And obviously better tyres! I just mentioned in my previous comment about the difference in riding style but the difference is tyre manufacturer, style of inner. Kevlar inserts, thicker tube etc.
Your friends upgrade showed in just the way he was riding it with a bit more confidence? Actually he was thrashing it I won't lie lol. But you being conservative must have known the tyres were an issue? 😉
For a motocross bike with that much torque, also not built for the trails..... I think it did pretty well👍
What tire and insert or tube did you run there?
I live in Utah and flat all the time, even with ultra heavy duty tubes or tubebliss. Just need to carry a spare in this neck of the woods. Last time I was in Moab, I couldn't believe the amount of mx style riders out there without even water, let alone tools. Nothing like a stock bike in Utah to kick off a long mod fest...
Que lugar toooop
Did you ever hit top speed on those roads? I’m interested in supermotoing/dirt riding this
@tylermckinnon8326 No sir! Probably just over 1/2 throttle and not full speed in those shots! It rips!
Nice that gives me hope that i might be able to get it on the freeway if necessary. Hopefully i don’t have to gear it up.
Wow 😮😊
How much psi did you had when flatted the front? Stark recommend 14.5 front and rear.
@mxriderdakar I was running 13.5 PSI in the front, which is about 1 PSI more than I like to run.
@@ElectricCycleRider Apparently 1 psi on a bike is like 10 psi on cars, maybe for that type of tubes it's important. Apparently lot of people are having flat with them.
Range under Hard/Extreme Enduro. Will be nice to see the Reviews after 100 hrs
Should of used the XACT/AER48 FORKS
Like 2 velociraptors prowling the desert.
Range test please, this was a great video, but we don’t really know how long the batteries really last yet.
@ericweber1969 Working on it! Thanks man.
What was Stark thinking putting those cheap worthless tubes in? Just what I want to do, pay 15k for a bike and have to swap tubes before I go on dirt.
2x 🤩🤩
Are those MX Versions or Enduro's? I've seen that I can order 18" for the back wheel "Enduro" and the other Option is MX ...
@simon3150 These both have 18"
The dream
What sort of battery life did you get on this excursion, and how long were you out?
@headwinded1948 I’d be lying to you if I said I was paying attention to mileage and battery percentage on this ride! Most info I can give is we started at mid 90%, went out and filmed some of these shots for an hour, put on the GoPro and went and rode the trail, and then I flatted… when we stopped I think I was at 65% battery. Total mileage would be a complete guess. Planning to do proper range tests soon where I am not guessing. 👍
Surprising that you guys were NOT using Bib Mousse (or similar) in place of conventional tubes..
if you ride like that , what the RANGE miles of this bike ?
It's crazy that info is missing, it's the only thing that matters to me.
I want one 🎉😅
What I want to see next? Stark Varg homologation for EU license
Hand break or foot
Are these priced still at $13K for everything? When can average people get their hands on one?
Depends on what options you choose, but yes a 60hp is about $13,000USD delivered. 80hp is about $14,000USD delivered. They are delivering them globally right now. New bikes arriving every day...to those of us that preordered when they were first announced years ago. If you go to their website and order today (August 11, 2023), the estimated delivery date is February 20, 2025 (1yr 6months from now). Or, there will be some original buyers selling bikes second hand as they come in, but expect to pay quite a mark up. So far, the highest sale I've seen was one for $23,000 (owner was asking $25,000).
Hydroplane with Pastrana!
A fully wet high capacity batterie will start a bad chemical chain reaction..... expensive idea🤔
With the stark varg you almost need to say how much hp your on at the start of you video
Amazing. Is there a stealth mode? That bike is so loud compared to my Tesla. I want a electric bike for SHTF hunting and scavenging.
If you want it dead silent you’ll need something that’s belt drive like a Zero FX. I will say that the chain isn’t THAT loud, it just seems loud because of the camera being near it. Unless you are ripping at very high speeds it’s still going to be hard for other people to hear. I’m getting one for the same reason as well
@@valiant545 you can get a chain kit for the FX, its safer off road (belt may snap)
@@valiant545 Doesn't seem like chain noise to me... but electric motor whine... like a large RC hobby/toy?
I run an Oring chain on my electric ktm but the difference in noise between running iT dry or oiled is night and day, with a well oiled chain they are super super quiet, a lot of these vids don't really get across how quiet they really are in person because the sound levels in the camera auto adjust
Yeah I know, but the chain drive is louder. Depends on what you want. Belt drive is perfectly safe, the issue is debris offroad damaging it and causing it to break and need to be replaced. If someone would make an enclosed belt drive it would be way less of a concern. @@just_one_opinion
Somebody please call Graham Jarvis and let’s get StarkVarg Light in the woods and see what it is really capable of doing
what tire pressure where you guys running?
@charlesnew1289 Running 13.5 PSI in the front.
Would love to see one in a hard enduro environment👀 with @billybolt57 riding it lol
@rockyrobin24 I'll ask Billy at TKO
@@ElectricCycleRider awesome🙏
Billy rode it! Just in a field though 😂
@@ElectricCycleRider I know he told me it was absolutely tremendous.
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It must have been a little nerve wracking to stay close to that guy for filming. He makes a lot of unpredictable speed and line changes.
OMG! Give him some room!
Moose's will kill the front end feel. Tubliss or regular tube
I need 100mi and a license plate and I’ll buy one. I hate taking things on a trailer.
I only ride 2 stroke
How could you ride in the middle of the summer in the desert without spare tubes, tire irons, chain repair parts, spokes, pump, food, water etc.? What is in his (your?) backpack? Not only is it dangerous not to carry spares, but if it happened 15 minutes into the ride...you'd write off the rest of the day.
As an mtb rider....you know better.
I don’t ride in the desert during the summer, period! Just ain’t worth the risk to me. But to each their own.
You evidently have no idea where they are. 🤷♂️
Look on a map.
Although your comment is true. At any given time on the sand flats recreation area you can walk a flat tire out in 10-15 minutes at worst.
And why even comment…….
Fins and things is a little over 9 miles total and crosses over the main road halfway so you're never more than a few miles from the road. Im sure he has plenty of water in his backpack and most people including me would rather ride out the flat than try to change it on the trail when it's a shorter trail like this. There is no danger in not carrying a spare on this trail and theres no reason to try to shame someone for something you didn't research.
@@lock6686 Are you guys serious ? What "research" should I have done before "shaming" Tucker ? Have you ever pushed a 265lb motorcycle a "few miles" in the sand & up hills in 100 degree heat in a desert ? Even when you reach the road you still need to get someone to either go back for a truck or wait for someone to pick you up....or keep pushing.
What happens if the flat tire comes apart when you're riding over rocks...faceplant or just ride on the rim & trash it?
My criticism seems needed because riding an (only) 9 mile trail in mid-summer with no spares & not considering the potential dangers is obviously common practice. I guess I'm the crazy one to think being prepared is the smart thing to do. Amazing this is controversial.
@@Tumid1 Riding in Colorado I get pinch flats multiple times per season and have been riding for over 20 years. Tires don't just "come apart". I've ridden upwards of 15 miles with a flat on brutally rocky terrain and have never had an issue. And my point is, being only a few miles from the main road, theres not really any risk of "dying out in the middle of the desert". You can make it a few miles walking without dying when you have water in your backpack. You could have said it was risky if he was doing a 100 mile ride in the middle of nowhere. This area is in a recreational park. And that's why I mentioned looking up the trail before commenting. It's barely more risky than getting a flat at a motocross track in the middle of summer with the amount of riders always on this trail and main roads near. But regardless, shaming anyone on youtube is just unnecessary and pointless I'm sure as someone that has been riding for years, he's aware of what's risky and what's not and you don't need to be the safety police for him.
I'm hearing the range is about 30 miles with aggressive riding. Accurate or more ?
1:39 for hard enduro compared to KTM e-xc 2019 you Can Hope 40km on mode 3 with full charged battery and 40km with 50% of battery with the varg.
My weight IS 75kg
1:28 with mode 3 with 50hp
Hmmmm. All before the battery got low out in moab. Hmmmm 🔋
Why choose such a weak trail?
If you’re in the middle of nowhere carry tools, patch kit, med kit, jacket, fire starter, etc.
EPA and DNR are having meetings as we speak, trying to find fault with these machines. They may save the sport
Save?
Buddy have you seen the hundreds of closed down local tracks?
The Varg and similar products might bring new life into the sport.
We're not worthy! We're not worthy! We're not worthy!
Man if I would live in areas like this I would ride an exc there is no one around why get electric?