The 1987 World Juniors in Czechoslovakia is the reason why Pierre Turgeon has not been inducted yet apparently. He stayed on the bench while his whole team brawled against the whole Soviet team. And the hockey world never forgot about it.
Coming from a Wing's fan, Osgood is in the Hall of Very Good. He only finished top 3 in Vezina votes once and his stats back it up. He doesn't have any career stats in the top 20 for the league. Only lead in Wins and GAA once along with playing back up most of his career.
One of the biggest snubs ever imo. Smh.. I'm thinking with Lundquist being the only first time eligible player next year... it could be his year. It really better be..
Some other guys that should maybe be in the hall: Daniel Alfredsson Tom Barrasso John Vanbiesbrouck Mike Richter Mike Vernon Cujo Dave Taylor Rick Middleton Vincent Lecavalier Alexei Kovalev Ray Whitney Brad Richards Markus Naslund Doug Weight Sergei Gonchar Evgeni Nabokov Mikka Kiprusoff Tim Kerr Bernie Nicholls Pat Verbeek Dale Hunter Andy Moog Steve Thomas Peter Bondra Patrik Elias Vincent Damphousse Gary Roberts
As Skip Bayliss used to say: "It's not the Hall of Very Good". It should be limited to players who were absolutely elite generational players. There are too many players in there now who shouldn't be.
Claude Lemieux. His achievements is often overlooked because of that draper hit that started whole detroit-colorado rivalry. his reputation doesn't help him either as a pest. but guy was a winner and one of the best playoff performers ever. 4 stanley cups and conn smythe trophy. another player that is snubbed for his reputation or more about his character off the ice is definitely Roenick. his numbers are to good to overlook. yet he still is out of hall of fame
I love to see Claude lemieux,, make it to hockey hall off fame,, he was a good player,, when it comes to the playoffs he was heart and soul,, off the team, 4 Stanley cups,,
Too many of the voters have seen him play. Have you seen the clip of him faking getting hurt prior to the faceoff, despite the guy literally not being anywhere near him? Rolled around on the ice like a clown for an embarrassing amount of time. He was a cheater at heart, a stain on the game. Really not the image you want for any Hall of Fame.
Esa Tikkanen. He was the league's best 3rd line pest, won 5 Stanley Cups (four with Edmonton and one with the Rangers), and retired with over 130 career playoff points. He might not be the most talented player, but if Guy Carbonneau is in the hall because he's a character guy, then Tikkanen should be as well.
Personally I think Dennis Maruk should be inducted. He was almost a 1 ppg throughout his career, and is one of the few players to have a 60 goal season. Also a player without any accolades besides a world cup bronze medal
I don't understand why the players who led the league before the Rocket Richard trophy don't get credit for "having a major award". They do..lol. it's called "league goal scoring leader".🤷♂️ you know?? Wtf. Lol
Tim Thomas could one day be in the HOF. He’s only been eligible for a few years, but is already in the USA Hockey Hall of Fame. He has the hardware, but he had differing opinions from most of the hockey world.
I would put Curtis Joseph in ahead of Chris Osgood. He had an outstanding career and still has the 7th most wins all time. Osgood was an ordinary goalie who played on great teams. Joseph was a great goalie who played on good teams than often relied on him to win games and series singlehandedly. That may be why he is now overlooked which is a real shame.
Tom Barrasso also deserves to be in the HOF. He had a bad relationship with the media but he was clutch and a winner. In my opinion the best goaltender eligible that’s not been inducted.
As part of the outdoor winter classic game here in STL in 2017, they held an alumni game the day before (maybe they do that in every city, not sure) Turgeon was 47 years old, at the time but looked like he could playing in the league! Scored a couple goals in a Blues win.
MY TOP 60 ELIGIBLE CANDIDATES FOR THE HOCKEY HALL OF FAME 01. Jaromir Jagr 02. Keith Tkachuk 03. Pat Verbeek 04. Pierre Turgeon 05. Jeremy Roenick 06. Peter Bondra 07. Curtis Joseph 08. Tom Barrasso 09. Mike Vernon 10. Mike Richter 11. Theoren Fleury 12. Daniel Alfredsson 13. Rod Brind’Amour 14. Vincent Damphousse 15. Alexander Mogilny 16. Dale Hunter 17. Ken Daneyko 18. Claude Lemieux 19. Randy Carlyle 20. Chris Osgood 21. Mike Liut 22. Andy Moog 23. Esa Tikkanen 24. Charlie Huddy 25. Craig MacTavish 26. Kent Nilsson 27. Brent Sutter 28. Bob Nystrom 29. John Tonelli 30. Butch Goring 31. Lorne Chabot 32. Dave Kerr 33. John Ross Roach 34. Claude Provost 35. Jean-Guy Talbot 36. Larry Hillman 37. Ralph Backstrom 38. J.C. Tremblay 39. Doug Jarvis 40. Gary Unger 41. Paul Henderson 42. Bobby Carpenter 43. John Vanbiesbrouck 44. Ron Hextall 45. Olaf Kolzig 46. Stephane Richer 47. Brian Bellows 48. Brian Propp 49. Trevor Linden 50. Ray Ferraro 51. Neal Broten 52. Steve Larmer 53. John LeClair 54. Tony Amonte 55. Rick Tocchet 56. Dirk Graham 57. Steve Thomas 58. Doug Weight 59. Gary Roberts 60. Dave Taylor
I enjoyed watching this video which is very informative! One player who I think should be in the Hall Of Fame but did not appear in this video is Curtis Joseph.
Please do a video where general managers make questionable decisions but there actually right, like the Fiala Granlund trade, and you can do draft picks too
Osgood was barely edged out for the 96 vezina too. Finished only a couple of points behind jim carey and tied for 1st place votes. He's like Tom Barrasso to me. Both should be in but the hall voting is extra hard on goalies for some reason
RETIRED NHL 500+ GOAL-SCORERS NOT IN THE HOCKEY HALL OF FAME YET 01. Keith Tkachuk (538) - Eligible since 2013 02. Pat Verbeek (522) - Eligible since 2005 03. Pierre Turgeon (515) - Eligible since 2010 04. Jeremy Roenick (513) - Eligible since 2012 05. Peter Bondra (503) - Eligible since 2010
Matt DiMaulo 3 100+ point seasons then 2 that were within 5 points of 100 and 1209 pts in 1127 games. There are players with a lot worse stat lines than that in the hall
Curtis Frickin Joseph. He retired in the top for wins amongst goalies, made any team he went to immediately better. So he doesn’t have a Cup but what about Lundqvist, neither does he yet he is considered to be a first-ballot HOFer.
Ozzie hands down, should be in the Hall of Fame. That being said all of the players mentioned in this vid should be in the Hall of Fame. I can't imagine what the folks with votes are thinking!
He has better numbers than Grant Fuhr and the knock against ozzy was him playing on a stacked team but what about Fuhr lol. If Fuhr is in the hall ozzy deserves a spot
Ozzie and Fuhr are not in the same conversation. Fuhr has so many career records still standing. Osgood has no records or career stats worth nothing and only finished top 3 in Vezina voting ONCE.
@@deathman6452 Ozzy should've won the Vezina in 96' for sure. He won 3 cups, 2 as a starter, then came so close to winning another in 09' against my Penguins. He was awesome in that playoff run, and he very easily could've won the Smythe in 08' as well. He has one of the greatest winning% in NHL history, and he's I know he played on great teams, but he was a part of them too. He was a fighter.. he was much maligned earlier in his career and no matter what he did later on could change it. TONS of goalies have ups and downs. Ozzie belongs in the Hall.
There are a boat-load of players that should be in the HHOF. Here is the list below. Note that all the 1st group of players below, that all qualified before the Sedins, with the exception of Eric Stall, who still plays ……. This list is long. Players not in the HHOF. By Total Points: * Still active as a player 1. Jeremy Roenick GP-1363 G-513 A-703 Points - 1216 2. Bernie Nicholls. GP-1127. G-475. A-735. Points -1209 3. Vinny Damphousse. GP-1378. G-432. A-773. Points - 1205 4. Patrick Marleau. GP-1779. G-566. A-631. Points - 1197 5. Rod Brind’Amour. GP-1484. G-452. A-732. Points - 1184 6. Theoren Fleury. GP-1084. G-455. A-633. Points - 1088 7. Dave Taylor. GP-1111. G-431. A-638. Points - 1069 8. Keith Tkachuk . GP-1201. G-538. A-527. Points -1065 9. Ray Whitney. GP-1330. G-385. A-697. Points - 1064 10. Pat Verbeek. GP-1424. G-522. A-544. Points - 1063 11. Eric Staal *. GP-1984 G-455. A-608. Points - 1063. * Still Playing 12. Doug Weight. GP-1238. G-277. A-756 Points - 1033 13. Alex Mogilny. GP-996. G-473. A-559. Points - 1032 14. Patrik Elias. GP-1240. G-408. A-617. Points - 1025 15. Steve Larmer. GP-1006. G-441. A-571. Points - 1012 16. Rick Middleton. GP- 1005. G-448. A-540. Points - 988 17. Ray Ferraro. GP-1258. G-408. A-490. Points - 898 Here are 3 players that are already in, but should not be anywhere near the HHOF, In point production, the 3 players below are embarrassing. Guy Carbonneau GP-1318 G-260 A-403 Points - 663 Cam Neely GP-726 G-395. A-299. Points - 694 He got nowhere near a Stanley Clark Gillies. GP-958 G-319. A-378. Points - 697
I feel like the not winning a Stanley Cup thing is kind of unfair. Winning a Stanley Cup depends more on being on the right team at the right time than anything else.
Every time I see turgeon’s stats I think “why the hell did the Sabres get rid of him” and then I remember we got pat lafontaine back and I feel a lot better
Osgood was good and not great. As a Detroit fan he was always solid, but a .905 save percentage behind that defence isn't fantastic. I personally never had a tonne of confidence in him. Lined him more as a backup
Didn't watch the video yet, but here's my list: Goalies: *Joseph* - He absolutely belongs. He made every team he went to better. He was one of the best in an era where Roy, Hasek, and Brodeur played! Lol He was right behind them, and they are possibly the 3 best goalies ever. (Maybe Dryden breaks up that top 3). *Chris Osgood* - He was a fighter and later in his career could've been called a "money goalie" !! He was below average those later years but played awesome in the playoffs. He was robbed of the Vezina in 96, and the Conn Smythe in 08' too. In 09 he came 🤏 < [this close] to winning a 3rd cup as a starter and he was fantastic for Detroit. He's got reg season numbers. He's got playoff stats. He's got cups... He 100% belongs. I always thought it was funny that what's keeping Joseph out basically is that "Well he didn't win a cup, even with Detroit" while what's keeping Osgood out is that "Well he won 3 cups and 2 as a starter, but that was with Detroit" !! Lmao 🤷♂️ It's hilarious. Others on my list: *Tim Thomas* 2 Vezinas, a cup, an amazing but short career, and a Conn Smythe. He was a legendary goalie for several years. I think that's enough if it was enough for Bill Durnan.. *Mike Vernon* probably the second best goalie of the 80's behind Fuhr. He was fantastic in winning two cups and a Conn Smythe. *Tom Barrasso* Forgotten about by many, but awesome in several seasons of his career, and average in others. Injuries hurt him later on too. One of the greatest stickhandling goalies ever, and huge in the Pens 2 cup wins. Add a Vezina as an 18 year old rookie out of high school hockey, and a Jennings his second year too. He struggled early to mid career-ish while his daughter battled cancer too.. but he rebounded. Forwards: *Alex Mogilny* I have a feeling next year he'll get in, but they should shut the place down in shame if he doesn't. He was better than Lanny McDonald and McDonald better be pulling for him to get in. *Theo Fleury* He was great imo. The fact that he was so good while battling substance abuse issues, after being molested as a young player, is pretty amazing.. He was 5' 6" too, a little guy that played BIG. He was very skilled and accomplished too! *Tim Kerr!!* What a GREAT goal scorer!! A broken leg, knee injuries, I think 13 surgeries on his shoulder, and his wife sadly passing away... it took all of that to destroy his career, and he still had a couple really good parts of seasons after all of that. He could've easily had 7+ straight 50 goal seasons.. dude was a beast. (If Neely is in.... why isn't Kerr?) *Pierre Turgeon* IDC if he was "soft" at times. The dude was SMOOTH as silk and has 500g, 800a, and 1300pts. Put him in. *Tkachuk, Roenick, Brind-Amour, and Brian Propp* should all get serious attention too. I feel like Tkachuk and Brind-Amour belong for sure. Maybe Steve Larmer too, but there has to be a line and maybe guys like Roenick, Nicholls, Larmer, Propp, etc just don't belong. I'm cool with that. That's all lol
Apples and oranges. Lindros career was hampered by and then cut short by concussions. I would expect alot of guys to have higher numbers because they played more.
There’s no question as to why Mogilny isn’t in because his best years were in Vancouver. That automatically seems to be a strike against any player. And to make Theo fleury’s journey more remarkable is he did it as a sexual abuse and assault survivor
Lack of a Stanley Cup should never even be considered in HOF voting. It's not like it's an individual award, It has never been won without a great team around you.
You could make a pretty good league of the guys not in the HOF Definitely baffling - guess it might be more challenging to say ‘who is in the HOF who shouldn’t be’ to either make room or lose their place ... always a tough call Interesting list and Fleury’s book is great Good channel ... subscribed ✅
Boris Mikhailov and Vladimir Krutov are not on the list for obvious reasons, but should be in as well. Same goes for some Czechoslovak greats who never played, or played too few games in the NHL (Martinec, Pospisil etc.).
The hall of fame is not my thing! Seeing guys like Larmer, Brind’Amour Osgood and Fleury not in but yet Lindros is in??? Lost a lot of respect for the HHOF! Great video! Maybe more of these will help the case of the players that deserve to be in!
Patrick Elias and Mogilny got Snubbed. St Louis got in last year, Elias won more cups, had better PPG totals, and head to head playoff matchup Elias outperformed him. IF Elias didn't get Hep C which changed his body completely, he would be easily in the 1200 career points club
I think the Hall of fame needs a pantheon of players. Legends, heroes and just really good players. Guys like those featured here would definitely fit this category.
Sadly the only thing keeping Fleury out is he burned all his bridges. He's since a changed man, and to put him in would be a great step to mending them! He's more than deserving!
Jeremy Roenick, Daniel Alfredsson and Bernie Nicholls deserve to get in as well, Roenick doesn't have any individual awards and wasn't very well liked but had solid stats, Alfredsson was one of the best steals of all time and great captain for the Sens and Nicholls had an incredible 150 point season. Dale Hunter and Pat Verbeek also had solid stats but won't get in because they were notorious pests.
peirre turgeon had a 1.03 points per game and is not in the hhof, ignila hada 0.84 points per game and is in the hof, but iginla did win 2 Rocket Richards,
Maybe unpopular opinion? I watched Chris Osgood play during his heyday from ~1998-2001 and then after Hasek and Joseph. Chris Osgood was never the best at his position - he was just very good at his position. He never won a Vezina, and his numbers were good, but not great (2.5 GAA and 90.5% SP) - and this was on a star studded lineup, at all times. Throughout his career noone ever mentioned him being in the HOF, it just seems people like to idealize now after their careers are over but make no mistake there were always 5 better goalies at any given point of his career than he was, and I think if you took his numbers and put them on most other teams, he would never be considered for the discussion. He knew how to make a timely save and play well under pressure, and he was the perfect goalie for the Red wings, and could be comparable to Grant Fuhr (who IS in the HOF), but I think it's Fuhr who's overrated and not Osgood being underrated.
Fuhr is likely the most overrated goalie of all time. His GAA was near 4 during his cup winning years. He had a team in front of him that just rolled over the opposition offensively. His high GAA was waved away with the remark, "he could make a timely save". That's really just a bunch of baloney without evidence to back it up. He did make some fantastic looking glove saves, but that was mostly flourish after the fact. Guess you need something to distract from your 4 goals a game on an .880 save ratio.
Like you said a stacked team is still shit without a Goalie that can steal you games sometime and Toronto Maple Leafs are currently in this problem, lots of named guys worth a lot of money up front, not the greatest blue-line, but Andersen won't steal the Leafs a Victory
My rule for pretty much every Hall: was the guy a top-5 player in the league for at least 5 years, or top-3 at his position for at least 10 years? Failing those measures, was he truly special for a short time due to injury?
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My mistake, Steve Larmer did indeed win a cup later with the Rangers
Nyquist I don’t understand how you haven’t blown up more than you do. Easily the best hockey RUclipsr I know. Keep up the great vids man.
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Daniel Alfredsson and Chris Phillips, Patrick Lalime, Steve Duchen,
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Teemu H Saku koivu has won a cup when Anaheim won
You should do a “some of the most surprising hall of fame players” video
Carbonneau... That one took me for a loop
Agreed
Top Corner Hockey Did That I Would Recommend u watching it
@@markusmac8230 Carbonneau won 3 Selke Trophies
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You’re a very underrated RUclipsr
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Him and Alyssa Hope are great
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You should do a video where you build the worst possible roster, but you have to go over the 81.5 M salary cap.
First line: Lucic-Backes-Eriksson
The 1987 World Juniors in Czechoslovakia is the reason why Pierre Turgeon has not been inducted yet apparently. He stayed on the bench while his whole team brawled against the whole Soviet team. And the hockey world never forgot about it.
Coming from a Wing's fan, Osgood is in the Hall of Very Good. He only finished top 3 in Vezina votes once and his stats back it up. He doesn't have any career stats in the top 20 for the league. Only lead in Wins and GAA once along with playing back up most of his career.
I can't believe Mogilny isn't in the Hall already.
Was just thinking the same. I thought he was because his contribution to hockey.
Same here... unbelievable
As a devils fan even if you don’t think his place in history coming over here is enough. His stats are too good for him to continue being snubbed
Should have made it over Lowe this year
One of the biggest snubs ever imo.
Smh.. I'm thinking with Lundquist being the only first time eligible player next year... it could be his year. It really better be..
You should do start bench cut legend edition
Yesss
Forsberg
Lindros
The flash
Albin Kjellberg start selanne, bench forsberg and cut lindros
Theo’s book was amazing, dude was a beast, he held his own in that junior’s fight with the Russians as well.
Jere Lehtinen. Last winger to win the Selke, and did it 3 times
Too much focus is put on points. Listen to Bobby Clarke on TSN690, the award he really appreciated was winning the Selke near the end of his career.
Some other guys that should maybe be in the hall:
Daniel Alfredsson
Tom Barrasso
John Vanbiesbrouck
Mike Richter
Mike Vernon
Cujo
Dave Taylor
Rick Middleton
Vincent Lecavalier
Alexei Kovalev
Ray Whitney
Brad Richards
Markus Naslund
Doug Weight
Sergei Gonchar
Evgeni Nabokov
Mikka Kiprusoff
Tim Kerr
Bernie Nicholls
Pat Verbeek
Dale Hunter
Andy Moog
Steve Thomas
Peter Bondra
Patrik Elias
Vincent Damphousse
Gary Roberts
Top 5 from that list, I'd pick Taylor, Barrasso, Bondra, Nicholls, and Gonchar...
Great list, though!
Has no one ever heard of Gary Suter?
Wow! that is a great list.
@@Tylerboyd2001 If Kevin Lowe is in, then Suter should be in too.
@@waynejohanson1083 If Kevin Lowe is in my dog should be in. Joking aside, I agree about Suter......
As Skip Bayliss used to say: "It's not the Hall of Very Good".
It should be limited to players who were absolutely elite generational players. There are too many players in there now who shouldn't be.
Claude Lemieux. His achievements is often overlooked because of that draper hit that started whole detroit-colorado rivalry. his reputation doesn't help him either as a pest. but guy was a winner and one of the best playoff performers ever. 4 stanley cups and conn smythe trophy.
another player that is snubbed for his reputation or more about his character off the ice is definitely Roenick. his numbers are to good to overlook. yet he still is out of hall of fame
They did this with Theo Fleury too because of his on ice and off ice issues.
Yeah, ngl, Claude Lemieux is one of the players wish they would really put in.
I love to see Claude lemieux,, make it to hockey hall off fame,, he was a good player,, when it comes to the playoffs he was heart and soul,, off the team, 4 Stanley cups,,
Too many of the voters have seen him play. Have you seen the clip of him faking getting hurt prior to the faceoff, despite the guy literally not being anywhere near him? Rolled around on the ice like a clown for an embarrassing amount of time. He was a cheater at heart, a stain on the game. Really not the image you want for any Hall of Fame.
I think Dale Hunter also fits in with this group of hated players who deserve to be in the HOF.
I feel this could be shortened (corrected) down to:
1. Brind'Amour
2. Alfredsson
3. Osgood
4. Cujo
5. Turgeon
I still like the list though :)
Cujo has no chance, Luongo is more likely
Esa Tikkanen. He was the league's best 3rd line pest, won 5 Stanley Cups (four with Edmonton and one with the Rangers), and retired with over 130 career playoff points. He might not be the most talented player, but if Guy Carbonneau is in the hall because he's a character guy, then Tikkanen should be as well.
Absolutely Tiki should be in there
Hell ya!
I am with you. I have no problem with Tikkanen getting in.
My dad played against Theo Fleruy as a kid
Personally I think Dennis Maruk should be inducted. He was almost a 1 ppg throughout his career, and is one of the few players to have a 60 goal season. Also a player without any accolades besides a world cup bronze medal
I think he is the only 60 goal scorer not in the hall.
Another one would be Tim Kerr. Almost point per game were Bobby Smith & Anton Stastny.
Note: Tkachuk doesn't have hardware because the Rocket Richard trophy didn't exist yet.
Idk why it took so long to make an award for the leading goal scorer. That’s honestly so stupid 😂
Would be awesome to get the three Tkachucks in the HHoF together!
I don't understand why the players who led the league before the Rocket Richard trophy don't get credit for "having a major award".
They do..lol. it's called "league goal scoring leader".🤷♂️ you know?? Wtf. Lol
Tim Thomas could one day be in the HOF. He’s only been eligible for a few years, but is already in the USA Hockey Hall of Fame. He has the hardware, but he had differing opinions from most of the hockey world.
If Vernon, Osgood, and Joseph arent in Thomas definitely shouldn't be.
Steve larmer is for me the most underrated player in history
I would put Curtis Joseph in ahead of Chris Osgood. He had an outstanding career and still has the 7th most wins all time. Osgood was an ordinary goalie who played on great teams. Joseph was a great goalie who played on good teams than often relied on him to win games and series singlehandedly. That may be why he is now overlooked which is a real shame.
Chris Osgood should definitely be in the hall a fame
Couldn't agree more.
@Stormy&Syd’s life I agree
Tom Barrasso also deserves to be in the HOF. He had a bad relationship with the media but he was clutch and a winner. In my opinion the best goaltender eligible that’s not been inducted.
As part of the outdoor winter classic game here in STL in 2017, they held an alumni game the day before (maybe they do that in every city, not sure) Turgeon was 47 years old, at the time but looked like he could playing in the league! Scored a couple goals in a Blues win.
MY TOP 60 ELIGIBLE CANDIDATES
FOR THE HOCKEY HALL OF FAME
01. Jaromir Jagr
02. Keith Tkachuk
03. Pat Verbeek
04. Pierre Turgeon
05. Jeremy Roenick
06. Peter Bondra
07. Curtis Joseph
08. Tom Barrasso
09. Mike Vernon
10. Mike Richter
11. Theoren Fleury
12. Daniel Alfredsson
13. Rod Brind’Amour
14. Vincent Damphousse
15. Alexander Mogilny
16. Dale Hunter
17. Ken Daneyko
18. Claude Lemieux
19. Randy Carlyle
20. Chris Osgood
21. Mike Liut
22. Andy Moog
23. Esa Tikkanen
24. Charlie Huddy
25. Craig MacTavish
26. Kent Nilsson
27. Brent Sutter
28. Bob Nystrom
29. John Tonelli
30. Butch Goring
31. Lorne Chabot
32. Dave Kerr
33. John Ross Roach
34. Claude Provost
35. Jean-Guy Talbot
36. Larry Hillman
37. Ralph Backstrom
38. J.C. Tremblay
39. Doug Jarvis
40. Gary Unger
41. Paul Henderson
42. Bobby Carpenter
43. John Vanbiesbrouck
44. Ron Hextall
45. Olaf Kolzig
46. Stephane Richer
47. Brian Bellows
48. Brian Propp
49. Trevor Linden
50. Ray Ferraro
51. Neal Broten
52. Steve Larmer
53. John LeClair
54. Tony Amonte
55. Rick Tocchet
56. Dirk Graham
57. Steve Thomas
58. Doug Weight
59. Gary Roberts
60. Dave Taylor
Great list of players. But there is no way Huddy, or McTavish should be on that list. You must be a big time Oilers fan.
I enjoyed watching this video which is very informative! One player who I think should be in the Hall Of Fame but did not appear in this video is Curtis Joseph.
Mike Vernon and Tim Thomas should be in as well. Great video!
Please do a video where general managers make questionable decisions but there actually right, like the Fiala Granlund trade, and you can do draft picks too
Osgood was barely edged out for the 96 vezina too. Finished only a couple of points behind jim carey and tied for 1st place votes. He's like Tom Barrasso to me. Both should be in but the hall voting is extra hard on goalies for some reason
Everyone of your videos are so interesting and I love it
Mogilny is probably the most baffling on this list.
RETIRED NHL 500+ GOAL-SCORERS
NOT IN THE HOCKEY HALL OF FAME YET
01. Keith Tkachuk (538) - Eligible since 2013
02. Pat Verbeek (522) - Eligible since 2005
03. Pierre Turgeon (515) - Eligible since 2010
04. Jeremy Roenick (513) - Eligible since 2012
05. Peter Bondra (503) - Eligible since 2010
Roenick has been inducted into today.
@@ron4447 Pierre Turgeon last year.
Congrats to both of them. Two fantastic players who deserved their hall of fame inductions.
Wow, its quite hard to play as a starter for 10 years for 1 team {Osgood}
He left Detroit after the 00 01 season and returned a couple years later. Didn’t play for them for 10 straight years
Bernie Nicholls is underrated also
He had 150 points won year come on nhl hall of fame
Matt DiMaulo 3 100+ point seasons then 2 that were within 5 points of 100 and 1209 pts in 1127 games. There are players with a lot worse stat lines than that in the hall
Sam Stout only 2 that were 100+ but yeah I get ur point
Derry McGuinness He had 3, 84-85, 88-89 and 89-90
Sam Stout 89-90 he only had 75
Curtis Frickin Joseph. He retired in the top for wins amongst goalies, made any team he went to immediately better. So he doesn’t have a Cup but what about Lundqvist, neither does he yet he is considered to be a first-ballot HOFer.
My Picks For The 2020 HOF Class Would Be: Mogilny. Don BaizLey. Some Builder I Guess, I Don't Really Know. Alfredsson. Theoren Fleury. & Iginla.
What about Wayne Glensky
Dude I have no clue why he wasn’t in it. He was the person that deserved it most
don’t forget john scott
Nick Mart dude I completely forgot the legend himself. What a beauty
Don’t forget David Ayres
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Ozzie hands down, should be in the Hall of Fame. That being said all of the players mentioned in this vid should be in the Hall of Fame. I can't imagine what the folks with votes are thinking!
He has better numbers than Grant Fuhr and the knock against ozzy was him playing on a stacked team but what about Fuhr lol. If Fuhr is in the hall ozzy deserves a spot
Ozzie and Fuhr are not in the same conversation. Fuhr has so many career records still standing. Osgood has no records or career stats worth nothing and only finished top 3 in Vezina voting ONCE.
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@@deathman6452 Ozzy should've won the Vezina in 96' for sure.
He won 3 cups, 2 as a starter, then came so close to winning another in 09' against my Penguins. He was awesome in that playoff run, and he very easily could've won the Smythe in 08' as well.
He has one of the greatest winning% in NHL history, and he's I know he played on great teams, but he was a part of them too.
He was a fighter.. he was much maligned earlier in his career and no matter what he did later on could change it.
TONS of goalies have ups and downs.
Ozzie belongs in the Hall.
Dude, I can’t believe they haven’t inducted Patrick Stefan yet
Love the list but think that Mogilny should have been #1.
There are a boat-load of players that should be in the HHOF. Here is the list below. Note that all the 1st group of players below, that all qualified before the Sedins, with the exception of Eric Stall, who still plays ……. This list is long.
Players not in the HHOF. By Total Points: * Still active as a player
1. Jeremy Roenick GP-1363 G-513 A-703 Points - 1216
2. Bernie Nicholls. GP-1127. G-475. A-735. Points -1209
3. Vinny Damphousse. GP-1378. G-432. A-773. Points - 1205
4. Patrick Marleau. GP-1779. G-566. A-631. Points - 1197
5. Rod Brind’Amour. GP-1484. G-452. A-732. Points - 1184
6. Theoren Fleury. GP-1084. G-455. A-633. Points - 1088
7. Dave Taylor. GP-1111. G-431. A-638. Points - 1069
8. Keith Tkachuk . GP-1201. G-538. A-527. Points -1065
9. Ray Whitney. GP-1330. G-385. A-697. Points - 1064
10. Pat Verbeek. GP-1424. G-522. A-544. Points - 1063
11. Eric Staal *. GP-1984 G-455. A-608. Points - 1063. * Still Playing
12. Doug Weight. GP-1238. G-277. A-756 Points - 1033
13. Alex Mogilny. GP-996. G-473. A-559. Points - 1032
14. Patrik Elias. GP-1240. G-408. A-617. Points - 1025
15. Steve Larmer. GP-1006. G-441. A-571. Points - 1012
16. Rick Middleton. GP- 1005. G-448. A-540. Points - 988
17. Ray Ferraro. GP-1258. G-408. A-490. Points - 898
Here are 3 players that are already in, but should not be anywhere near the HHOF, In point production, the 3 players below are embarrassing.
Guy Carbonneau GP-1318 G-260 A-403 Points - 663
Cam Neely GP-726 G-395. A-299. Points - 694 He got nowhere near a Stanley
Clark Gillies. GP-958 G-319. A-378. Points - 697
curtis joseph is one of the best goalies of all time at his heights. No idea why he isn't in the HOF
LOVE the vids! keep up the good work!
I feel like the not winning a Stanley Cup thing is kind of unfair. Winning a Stanley Cup depends more on being on the right team at the right time than anything else.
I agree. It takes a team of great players to win a cup.
Every time I see turgeon’s stats I think “why the hell did the Sabres get rid of him” and then I remember we got pat lafontaine back and I feel a lot better
Well here question should enforcers be inducted or have a spot in the hall?
Claude lemieux and Patrice elias
*Patrik
Osgood was good and not great. As a Detroit fan he was always solid, but a .905 save percentage behind that defence isn't fantastic. I personally never had a tonne of confidence in him. Lined him more as a backup
Nice one, i want into HoF Brian Propp, Tim Kerr, Andy Moog, Tom Barrasso, Dale Hunter or Tie Domi, who gives fighters face.
Dale Hunter should be in. He has over 1,000 career points and tough as hell.
Mogilny, Datsyuk, Bondra, Tkachuk, Yashin, Amonte, Kamensky, Fleury, Adam Graves, Leclair, Brind'Amour, Friesen, Nolan, Koivu, Weight, Kovalev, Marleau, Juneau, Turgeon, Peca, Tikkanen , Lehtinen, Osgood, Elias, Draper, Maltby, Roenick, Desjardins, Damphousse, Sydor, Zamuner, Cassels, Guerin, Holik, Curtis Joseph, Claude Lemieux, Doug Brown, Iginla, Jagr, Giguère, Keith Primeau, Kevin Stevens, Whitney, Ron Hextall, Russ/Geoff Courtnall, Ozoliņš, Mellanby, Kozlov, Palffy, Vanbiesbrouck, Stumpel, Hejduk, Satan, Demitra.
Ray Whitney
You Should do a video about the worst Hockey Hall Of famers
- Nah, man. Because it is the *NHL* that video would simply be way to bloody long.
Didn't watch the video yet, but here's my list:
Goalies: *Joseph* - He absolutely belongs. He made every team he went to better.
He was one of the best in an era where Roy, Hasek, and Brodeur played! Lol He was right behind them, and they are possibly the 3 best goalies ever. (Maybe Dryden breaks up that top 3).
*Chris Osgood* - He was a fighter and later in his career could've been called a "money goalie" !! He was below average those later years but played awesome in the playoffs. He was robbed of the Vezina in 96, and the Conn Smythe in 08' too.
In 09 he came 🤏 < [this close] to winning a 3rd cup as a starter and he was fantastic for Detroit. He's got reg season numbers. He's got playoff stats. He's got cups... He 100% belongs.
I always thought it was funny that what's keeping Joseph out basically is that "Well he didn't win a cup, even with Detroit" while what's keeping Osgood out is that "Well he won 3 cups and 2 as a starter, but that was with Detroit" !! Lmao 🤷♂️
It's hilarious.
Others on my list: *Tim Thomas* 2 Vezinas, a cup, an amazing but short career, and a Conn Smythe. He was a legendary goalie for several years. I think that's enough if it was enough for Bill Durnan..
*Mike Vernon* probably the second best goalie of the 80's behind Fuhr.
He was fantastic in winning two cups and a Conn Smythe.
*Tom Barrasso* Forgotten about by many, but awesome in several seasons of his career, and average in others. Injuries hurt him later on too.
One of the greatest stickhandling goalies ever, and huge in the Pens 2 cup wins. Add a Vezina as an 18 year old rookie out of high school hockey, and a Jennings his second year too. He struggled early to mid career-ish while his daughter battled cancer too.. but he rebounded.
Forwards: *Alex Mogilny*
I have a feeling next year he'll get in, but they should shut the place down in shame if he doesn't.
He was better than Lanny McDonald and McDonald better be pulling for him to get in.
*Theo Fleury* He was great imo. The fact that he was so good while battling substance abuse issues, after being molested as a young player, is pretty amazing.. He was 5' 6" too, a little guy that played BIG. He was very skilled and accomplished too!
*Tim Kerr!!* What a GREAT goal scorer!! A broken leg, knee injuries, I think 13 surgeries on his shoulder, and his wife sadly passing away... it took all of that to destroy his career, and he still had a couple really good parts of seasons after all of that.
He could've easily had 7+ straight 50 goal seasons.. dude was a beast.
(If Neely is in.... why isn't Kerr?)
*Pierre Turgeon* IDC if he was "soft" at times. The dude was SMOOTH as silk and has 500g, 800a, and 1300pts.
Put him in.
*Tkachuk, Roenick, Brind-Amour, and Brian Propp* should all get serious attention too.
I feel like Tkachuk and Brind-Amour belong for sure.
Maybe Steve Larmer too, but there has to be a line and maybe guys like Roenick, Nicholls, Larmer, Propp, etc just don't belong. I'm cool with that.
That's all lol
I watched the video. Lol.
Well done! I agree.
All these players that have been snubbed, have better stats than Lindros. Can add JR to the list.
Apples and oranges. Lindros career was hampered by and then cut short by concussions. I would expect alot of guys to have higher numbers because they played more.
Hey OhNyquist, could you pls do an NHL either 19 or 20 franchise Mode with the Red Wings? Would you consider that? Because people would enjoy that
U should do players in the hof without any major awards or Stanley cups
Mike Vernon, Jeremy Roenick, Curtis Joseph, Dale Hunter
Steve lamer won a cup in 1994 with the rangers
Do players that are in the hall of fame and that shouldn’t be
There’s no question as to why Mogilny isn’t in because his best years were in Vancouver. That automatically seems to be a strike against any player. And to make Theo fleury’s journey more remarkable is he did it as a sexual abuse and assault survivor
You should rank all the number 1 overall draft picks? Maybe a decade per vid??
Lack of a Stanley Cup should never even be considered in HOF voting. It's not like it's an individual award, It has never been won without a great team around you.
Cups do count, they are more valuable than ever with 30+ teams
Maurice Richard they do, but that shouldn’t stop players who were great players on not so great teams.
How about Patrik Elias?
Good video you are doing so good RN
You could make a pretty good league of the guys not in the HOF
Definitely baffling - guess it might be more challenging to say ‘who is in the HOF who shouldn’t be’ to either make room or lose their place ... always a tough call
Interesting list and Fleury’s book is great
Good channel ... subscribed ✅
What's really baffling is why haven't the Calgary Lames retired Theo's #14. They won't let anyone else wear it but they won't retire it either.
Boris Mikhailov and Vladimir Krutov are not on the list for obvious reasons, but should be in as well. Same goes for some Czechoslovak greats who never played, or played too few games in the NHL (Martinec, Pospisil etc.).
Great list! For sure the top 4 should be in the hall and the others you at least have a legit argument.
The hall of fame is not my thing! Seeing guys like Larmer, Brind’Amour Osgood and Fleury not in but yet Lindros is in??? Lost a lot of respect for the HHOF! Great video! Maybe more of these will help the case of the players that deserve to be in!
Patrick Elias and Mogilny got Snubbed. St Louis got in last year, Elias won more cups, had better PPG totals, and head to head playoff matchup Elias outperformed him. IF Elias didn't get Hep C which changed his body completely, he would be easily in the 1200 career points club
I think the Hall of fame needs a pantheon of players. Legends, heroes and just really good players. Guys like those featured here would definitely fit this category.
Saw Osgood Saturday at the mall. Doesn't live too far away from where I'm at
I think the old boys club won't vote Turgeon in because he sat on the bench in Piestany
Damphousse
Neal Broten a champion at all levels.
Sadly the only thing keeping Fleury out is he burned all his bridges.
He's since a changed man, and to put him in would be a great step to mending them! He's more than deserving!
He’s a right wing nut
Curtis Joseph and Bernie Nicholls need to be in the HOF
I have no problem with that.
Jeremy Roenick, Daniel Alfredsson and Bernie Nicholls deserve to get in as well, Roenick doesn't have any individual awards and wasn't very well liked but had solid stats, Alfredsson was one of the best steals of all time and great captain for the Sens and Nicholls had an incredible 150 point season.
Dale Hunter and Pat Verbeek also had solid stats but won't get in because they were notorious pests.
You should do a video on the worst all star selections
I'd like to see a video about players in the hall of fame who maaaaaaybeeee shouldn't be, or that at least seem surprising.
peirre turgeon had a 1.03 points per game and is not in the hhof, ignila hada 0.84 points per game and is in the hof, but iginla did win 2 Rocket Richards,
Your the best hockey youtuber
What’s the name of the podcast you mentioned?
Hi nyquist
Maybe unpopular opinion? I watched Chris Osgood play during his heyday from ~1998-2001 and then after Hasek and Joseph. Chris Osgood was never the best at his position - he was just very good at his position. He never won a Vezina, and his numbers were good, but not great (2.5 GAA and 90.5% SP) - and this was on a star studded lineup, at all times. Throughout his career noone ever mentioned him being in the HOF, it just seems people like to idealize now after their careers are over but make no mistake there were always 5 better goalies at any given point of his career than he was, and I think if you took his numbers and put them on most other teams, he would never be considered for the discussion. He knew how to make a timely save and play well under pressure, and he was the perfect goalie for the Red wings, and could be comparable to Grant Fuhr (who IS in the HOF), but I think it's Fuhr who's overrated and not Osgood being underrated.
Fuhr is likely the most overrated goalie of all time. His GAA was near 4 during his cup winning years. He had a team in front of him that just rolled over the opposition offensively. His high GAA was waved away with the remark, "he could make a timely save". That's really just a bunch of baloney without evidence to back it up. He did make some fantastic looking glove saves, but that was mostly flourish after the fact. Guess you need something to distract from your 4 goals a game on an .880 save ratio.
Aint down with Turgeon cause he backed down in the Brawl at the World juniors.
This needs a update
Should do best player at every age
can you do card breaks or show us your collection?
At this point, Brindy should make it this upcoming year
Like you said a stacked team is still shit without a Goalie that can steal you games sometime and Toronto Maple Leafs are currently in this problem, lots of named guys worth a lot of money up front, not the greatest blue-line, but Andersen won't steal the Leafs a Victory
Do you think lecavialle and St. Louis will make it
expected to see Claude Lemieux. Nobody from you list has been play-offs MVP or has four Stanley Cups on their resume.
Hockey hall of fame is supposed to use hockey players careers even outside the nhl including international play olympics and world cups
What do yo think about Daniel Alfredsson?
I'd say Sergie Gonchar was missed, but Osgood should be in for sure
My rule for pretty much every Hall: was the guy a top-5 player in the league for at least 5 years, or top-3 at his position for at least 10 years? Failing those measures, was he truly special for a short time due to injury?
no love for roenick, huh? doug weight and john leclair also come to mind
With all the things Theo said about the NHL, He will never get in
And he shouldnt, dude was a scumbag coke addict
J.C. Tremblay and Peter Mahovlich