Bat man is Christian. " See that none render evil for evil unto any man, but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves and with all men." 1 Thessalonians 5:15
My favorite part of this moment with Ace is how it reconstructs Batman's code. With all his other villains, there's a constant moral conflict to how Batman's refusal to kill them indirectly leads to far more death. But by refusing to kill Ace, he helps her find peace in her last moments and saves millions. It goes to show there is a point to sticking by his code, if anyone else had gone through with Waller's plan the situation would've been far worse.
@@Weldedhodag Me and a buddy were discussing Batman the other day and we both determined that, in more properly written Batman stories anyway, Batman's mistrust of himself is his general paranoia about everything. He trusts virtually no one, especially himself.
@Weldedhodag I can't remember the exact phrasing but he kinda covers this in "under the hood" and says something along the lines of "If I ever go down that road, if I ever start killing. I don't think I'd be able to stop". Bruce knows FULL well he's barely any different than the things he fights and that hard no kill rule is how he keeps himself from tipping over the edge. To a degree some versions have been implied to be scared he'd "enjoy it".
@@Stirlingite-mm1nchow would that be the punisher? Even he's not that horrible. Sure, he kills, but he was a father and a soldier. When his family was gunned down in front of him, he went crazy. Even he would be good with children, just not an ideal role model.
Greatest batman is when he is portrayed as a Hero instead of anti-hero. Someone who got hurt, and decided: Never again, not for me, not for anyone else.
I agree with you it kind of gives Jason at least when he was Anti-Hero when he came back an extra bit of abrasiveness like Bruce saw what Jason was becoming the lengths he was willing to go and instead of saying he's a criminal he said you are my son
Batman does care which is why a lot of the newer ones not caring that much hurts. The animated series showed him using his money to help people, to build halfway homes to help former criminals change their life around, to have the man in a bat costume sit on a swing with a dying girl. A dying girl that could end the world, kill everyone, and ending her quickly would make no difference in the end than letting her die naturally... And yet he sat on the swing with her and stayed with her to the end because it mattered. Maybe not to the world, not to those around them, or even the end result... But it mattered to her and thus it mattered to him. Compassion was his greatest strength you saw from time to time... It is a shame it seems to be viewed as a weakness or something to be mocked.
no idea why so many people think "not social and emotionally stunted" think he doesn't care about anyone, if anything he cares too much given his crusade against criminals.
@@AnAverageGoblin That's the entire point of Robert Battinson in The Batman. He's awkward and different and can't quite relate to people but he cares SO MUCH.
my batman will always be a batman that cares, a batman even as his alter ego of bruce wayne is doing everything he can to make sure no one goes through what he did
The Batman 2022 at the end where he realizes he needs to be a symbol not of Vengeance but of Hope, and the person is so afraid of being lifted by the helicopter they hold onto Batman until he makes them feel safe. 😭
Yeah, that was one of my favorite aspect of the newest Batman movie, and it had mixed in well with the Year One storyline they had going for it! I hope that they'll continue with Robert Pattinson's Bruce/Batman working out his more compassionate side in future movies as an overarching theme and continue to use lesser-known/less-spoken-about Batman stories that can challenge him to work on his compassion more - like maybe they'll adapt the Hush storyarc, or Baby Doll gets more of a future role for a change.
I agree, This is Batman He embodies vengeance upon everyone who has been wronged But the man behind vengeance, is a sad individual who wants to ensure no one could ever go through the same pain that haunts his soul But together, Batman inspires pain into positive change He will fight the irredeemable and try to help.
@@plasticweapon Fair statement, I'll give you that Sometimes he goes overboard such as the time in the animated series Where he choose to crash through a window, scare the ever loving daylights out of a thug in front his his wife and kids.
That’s why (in my opinion) the best Batman heir is Dick Grayson. Not only is he a happier Batman but he’s also a character not defined by the tragedies of his life but defined by compassion he has for others and the compassion shown to him at a young age.
Dude! 100%! I’ve personally never been a fan of Damian. Dick has always been the best in-line to take over after Bruce because he too also has a deep compassion for those in need of help.
@@SuperRexProductions I like Damian currently and Damian in the Batman reborn era (and the rebirth Nightwing book) but yes I agree. I don’t see him becoming the next Batman.
Which is why personally love the Dick!Batman and Damian!Robin era from comics; Just imagine, a somewhat cheerful, swashbuckling Batman and an edgy, serious Robin (and, as if by a miracle, Dick gets Damian to lighten up in a way not even Bruce managed to do)
I always liked the line where someone is yelling at Batman that he took Dick Grayson under his wing, and helped him take down his parents killer so he could be just like him. And Batman responded, “No, I did it so he wouldn’t.”
Yeah, since the Burton era, media had kinda boxed him in as dark and brooding character, strictly a symbol of fear, an isolated individual, an indifferent, calculating monster. When in reality, he has more in common with the optimistic, compassionate Superman than he does the cynical, self-serving Luthor. It's easy to forget that, in his own way, he loves Gotham. Most people have given up on the city, but Batman hasn't.
@@hafirenggayuda Exactly. And it also shows partly why Zach Snyder's Batman is so frustrating. He gave us a completely jaded and pessimistic Batman, one who would willingly kill Superman if there was even a 1% chance Superman could pose a threat to the world.
when people say "why doesnt he kill his villains" misses the point of him. He tries to help his villains to become better. And that is what his character is about.
Like Bruce told Harley once after her bad parole day, giving her the blouse she actually bought legally. "I had a bad day too once..." Harley answered: "Good guys like you shouldn't have bad days." He understood, and Harley in her addled state of mind showed genuine compassion for his efforts. Ace was having the ultimate bad day, and Bruce was there doing what her could. That's who Batman is for me, he is the masculine idol. He is violence in the name of order and protection, but he's is also the wall that takes the brunt at his own cost so you don't have to.
subbed. You get it, who the best Batman is and why. How Batman is supposed to be. He’s not an edgy, hateful playboy, he’s a deeply hurting kid who lost his parents and just wants to help other people who hurt like he does, or prevent them from ever having that hurt. He’s the representation of the phrase, “ I wouldn’t wish this pain on my worst enemy” and it shows because he has compassion for even the most vile criminals.
Exactly. Today's society we're taught to demonize people for simply having a different political view and here Batman shows care and compassion to people most of us would label lost causes long ago
People often dismiss the episode because of Terry being related to Bruce but they fail to see that even without that connection, he still put on the cowl and he decided his destiny on his own. The conflict is how he feels about being Bruce’s seed and what that entails for him before ultimately coming to the conclusion that there’s always a need for a Batman but the wearer does always have to bow down to the mask like Bruce had done.
You know, everyone talks about Epilogue, and they talk about Batman, and Ace, and Terry, but what I don't hear people talk about is this was the best Amanda Waller we probably ever got or ever will get. Cadmas was originally supposed to be the clear bad guys, but the writers realized while they were doing bad things their intentions of having weapons against literal gods was not a bad thing. Nowadays, Waller is just the most toxic person in modern depictions. This old age Waller who would actually comfort Terry for what she did but still stand by it? We'll probably never see it again.
Overly Sarcastic Productions put it best: If you can't write a Batman that can comfort a scared child on the worst day of their life, then he's not Batman. He The Punisher wearing a silly hat.
There's a reason why Batman volunteered to get to Ace when Waller wanted to use a weapon on Ace, but Batman never intended to use that weapon on Ace. He knows that Ace suffered enough already. He sat down with her until her time came, and yet, the world was saved in the end. All because of Batman's compassion to Ace. The best part about the Ace scene is that it led to Waller creating Bruce's future successor: Terry McGinnis (Is that how you spell his name?). One of the biggest W's in Batman's history.
Been through my fair share of pain and batman has helped me deal with alot of things in my life Rest in peace Kevin Conroy you are still missed. Great video by the way.
Batman is a driven, hard man but even for all his stoicism & willingness to do what must be done he's still a hurt 8 year old who wants to see the best. His mission is to help people so even if it's comforting a child he will take it on himself. As much as Bruce will think he's just a shell for Batman, he will never let go of the desire that Bruce Wayne has to make the world safer
More examples: his approach to Victor Fries, Mary Dahl, Pamela Isley´s plant clone, Robert Kirkland... And even in BotF, he showed enough compassion when the situation deserved it. And Terry learned from his parents and from him, he offered redemption to many of his foes.
The episode was The Return. But yes we all like a badas Batman but we need the Batman that offers his hand. Why beyond hating the actor for a few reason, I refuse to count Hackflex as a man to don the cowl. The version Zack Snyder used is a childish bully. Kevin knew the weight Batman carried and how his goal was no child suffering in fear and lose. The way Bruce talks to young Richard when we see Robin's origin story is great for that. And how Alfred reminds Batman that maybe what young Dick needs isn't Batman but the kindness of Bruce. Young Justice got it a bit too with Batman wanting to avoid Dick being like him. And even Lego Batman a story I like but don't feel it's a great Batman learns kindness.
@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω Did he approve Batfleck, or did he approve Ben Affleck's casting as Batman. Because Zack Snyder did an amazing job with the casting for the DCEU. It's just his writing that sucked. If you had the DCEU cast with a writer that actually understood these characters, the DCEU would have been bigger than the MCU. If Paul Dini or Dwayne McDuffie (RIP) had written the scripts for the DCEU movies, and all Snyder had to do was direct, it would be brilliant. Snyder is great at putting together visuals. His remake of Dawn of the Dead was great, because he didn't write it. James Gunn did. And Gunn is a fantastic storyteller, unlike Snyder.
@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω Yeah he approved of the duality not the films themselves. He never flat out said Affleck is the best. Because he wasn't he was terribly written. That's the problem with Zack Snyder he's a terrible writer.
I always admired how the animated Batman was too. Whenever I felt cheated or angry at the world I would think maybe I should just give up and be the bad guy since it's so much easier. But then this character who not only had every excuse to be a villain decided to be a hero instead. Still giving his everything even for the ones that give him grief and trouble. It kind of gave me the strength to not fall into the darkness til I eventually became a cartoonist :D
My favourite quote I’ve heard about Batman is “if you can’t imagine your Batman comforting a dying child; you’ve not written Batman, you’ve just written a bad Punisher”
What I love most is that Ace obviously read his mind. So she knew he genuinely wanted to convince her to change everything back and that he didn’t want to hurt/kill her. It was a risk but for story telling instances it’s what makes Batman a great character. His true motives shine through and win her over.
this really was a special episode, showing the more human side of batman, shes just a baby at life, and he doesn't do what amanda waller wants, and as a last bid of compassion, he lets her die on her own terms, great storytelling and just pure understanding of what really bruce wayne and batman really is about.
What rly shows this side of batman was in the killing joke where he tells joker " i dont know what made you what you are but maybe ive been there too. I can help you rehabilitate you together" or in archkam city with the " despite everything youve done i still would've saved you "
i think it was said best, "if you cannot envision batman sitting down and comforting a child, you arent writing batman" dont remember who said it. but its a powerful sentence
I have a fuzzy memory of this episode, and it hits different now. Even after everything he's been through, he still continues to extend out to those who need his understanding. Pain comes in different forms, but in the end. It's all pain.
This is the ultimate version of Batman. While other versions of Batman may be good, the one portrayed by Kevin Conroy in the DCAU is as close to perfection as it gets (at least to me).
I miss waller being the wall, unstoppable, determined, but she does whats right. She genuinely wants a safer future for everyone. Not some hero hating monster who throws lives away by the thousand.
I wish the live action media understood this. I really hope James Gunn can give us this version. He seems to be on the right track with Superman, so fingers crossed. Yeah, he can be dark and gritty, but if you don't balance that with the empathy and compassion, he becomes boring. One of many reasons why I dislike the DCEU, and the Snyderverse specifically. He did both Batman and Superman so badly. And Wonder Woman. 6:43 That's Amazo in the background. I had to look up the episode name, Tabula Rasa.
No I just wished people in general understood it The writers have made Batman this unstoppable god and the internet wanst the punisher I dont want to lose another thing I love
Rewatched On Leather Wings the other night. It was refreshing how Bruce didn't send Kirk to prison or Arkham. Instead he just returned him to his wife at the end after giving Kirk an antidote he managed to make.
This is one point about Batman that many writers and artists forget when trying to push forward Batman's mega-bucks kick-assery. He would NOT BE Batman, if he didn't CARE. Ultimately he's out there NOT for revenge, but because he NEVER wants another child to experience HIS pain.
Reminds me of a quote. I can’t think of the person who said it, or even the exact wording but I went along the lines of: If you write a Batman that puts fear into villains but can’t give hope or comfort to a child, you haven’t written Batman you’ve written The Punisher in a mask.
First off , great video and this is definitely how Batman should be portrayed. I totally agree with everything said in this video, except for one thing, which is that Bruce Wayne had not been the true identity since his parents died. Bruce Wayne was always a playboy, which gave him the means to be able to be Batman. I think Batman himself has the humanity that you are talking about in the video.
honestly i much prefer his compassion being the reason he never kills over his paranoia. the man knows the absolute value of a life and couldn't bare to inflict the pain onto others, cause even if the villains themselves deserve it, the families don't. obviously the jokers existance is a complete rebuttal to the ideology but that's what makes him such an interesting villain, he is the obvious rebuttal to batmans ideology and that's the point. plus you know character flaws make characters interesting, there's a reason mary sues are despised, perfect decision making simply doesn't create any drama.
92, 99, 04 & The Brave and the Bold are unquestionably the four best entries on that entire list at the start It was the golden era, not just for Batman but all Media, all *LIFE* You are not wrong with your perception of Batman If you can't see Batman in that scene with Ace, or even Babydoll, you're not watching Batman.
I agree, with the statement, that every version, of heroic Batman, should genuinely care. It’s his compassion, and capability to forgive, and to add his moral-code, is what makes him a great masked hero.
The comics only occasionally remember to make Bruce philanthropic or caring, but when it does happen ("Be good, Ellie") it never fails to remind me of the animated series. One thing Waller got right was that Batman's greatest strength was his heart.
One of my favorite moments from the animated series was when Two-Face learns that Bruce was paying for a procedure to be done to help him. He doesn't know that Bruce is Batman, of course, but it reveals some of the more subtle ways that Bruce tries to help his rogue's gallery.
Super heroes are suppose to be symbols of hope, of justice. life is dark and its fine and great to put them in dark stories but a truely great superhero story is ultimately one of hope, no matter how dark, no matter how hopeless, the heroe will always hold out hope and inspire it in others. To me, this is always what my favorite super heroes have ment, and batman as my favorite super hero is the peak of that, a normal man useing everything in him, good and bad to ultimately do good even in a world of literal gods like super man and wonder woman, he stands shoulder to shoulder with them as beaken of hope and justice.
what makes Batman so incredible is his compassion and kindness towards others who were wrapped up in unfortunate circumstances like Ace was. Baby Doll was another victim like Ace because she stopped growing at a certain point and was unable to get more roles in movies and on TV. Batman showed that while he has no problem knocking a hardened criminal out, he shows love towards those who wanted a normal life. the difference between Joker and Ace is Joker kills for the fun of it while Ace just wants to be a kid. this is what makes Batman a hero
I think I love this take of vengeance because it’s really more so a promise of vengeance to the evils of the world to Dave these crooked people in the time where they have no one
Reached the end and you're absolutely 100% right about Batman. He's better when writers embrace the empathetic side of his character along with the vengeful side and that's something that the Ben Affleck/Snyder films lacked in spades. Batman isn't and shouldn't just be this violent angry edgelord with no mention of the good he tries to do, he should try to show empathy to the villains who deserve it and be a symbol of hope AND justice. It's so wild to me that DC hasn't been able to capture that in their films when they have the perfect blueprint in the 90's DCAU. Those cartoons have some of the peak portrayals of these characters and there are so many lessons to take from them. A Batman who cares, one who takes the time to recognize that not every villain is irredeemable and some just had one bad day. A superman who grew up with the love of two adoptive parents, neither taken by cheap emotional tactics like a tornado and whose simple lessons formed the hero he is. A wonder woman who finds that her island's teachings doesn't have to color her interactions with the rest of humanity and that there is good and allies to be found out there. A green lantern who, despite having his own set of problems, can use his experiences to keep his planet, and others out in the galaxy, safe in his own way. A flash who is, much like Batman and Superman, just as empathetic behind his goofy persona and is willing to sit and talk with a villain, to promise to visit him. A martian manhunter who goes through hell but comes out of it with a new family, an entire planet that sees him in the same heroic light as the rest of the league. Like, there are so many good episodes in the DCAU that could form a template for a better Batman. Baby Doll, the Epilogue episode mentioned in this video, Harley's Holiday and the Two-Face episodes where he shows an endless desire to save his friend. Flash and Substance is also an amazing episode since it shows the Flash being just as empathetic towards his villains and how his care free persona hides this depth to his character. Batman Beyond too, since there's so much depth added to Bruce Wayne's character in that series. I guess overall the main point is that the 90's DCAU is very good and still holds up to this day and I encourage everyone to go check it out if you haven't already. I hope DC starts taking lessons from the characterizations in these shows, I'm not sure why they've had such a weird resistance to using them as a base for their films but maybe the new Superman film will be a step in the right direction since it seems Clark will, for the first time in a while, actually have both his adoptive parents alive and kicking. I can only hope so because there's so much potential there that has just been buried under edginess lol (The Batman 2022 was cool though, there still is room for edginess and I felt like that film captured a bit of the Arkhamverse in it's characterisations)
I grew up obsessed with Batman and I have questioned why he doesn’t kill the villains. I realized that what makes Batman’s villains so great is that they aren’t completely bad, they all have so much depth to them and I now get why Batman tries to rehabilitates them.
I remember another clip where two henchmen are searching a building, and one opens a door to find batman. The two look at each other before the henchmen just closes the door and walks away. "Did you see anything?" "Nope." Somehow, I can't imagine fun moments like that happening in the dark and gritty modern versions.
With how movies have become focused on becoming more cinematic, with their depictions of these characters, we lose stories like this. A story that says more through the animation than in words. Batman is the hero that wants to bring hope to Gotham, and we see this get touched on in The Batman movie. But the episode referenced in the video is the best form of Batman. Their is a trust formed as Batman is the only one allowed to approach Ace, as she read his mind. Instead of doing what needs to be done, he talks with her, and listens to her pains and fears that lead to this point. He is direct with her about her death and apologizes. I cry every time I see him sit on that swing and comforts the poor scared girl, whose about to die. He never says anything he offers his hand and they just sit. Their is no dialogue only music, and the next time we see the two Batman is carrying her. I will always point to this episode as showing who Batman really is. He is still the same Batman we saw in the original Batman Animated Series where he helped the poor woman who was stuck looking like a child whose life went to shit after her show was cancelled. Batman should never be the version we see in the All Star Batman comics, but the one we see here who believes in a second chance, just as he has given to those in his Bat-Family.
I'm pretty sure that entire legions of Batman fans have dedicated their lives to trying to live their lives, influenced by this remarkable character; trying to make their world a better place. One that he'd be proud of-strange as that is to say.
I remember watching that episode and it stuck with me as an adult. I have always admired heroes who have deep empathy to pain and anguish. And when I became a doctor, a pediatrician to be exact, I had a patient who knew he was dying and all I could offer was a lending ear. We watched this same episode and after all of that, when he died a few days later, I couldn't help but cry. I was a mess in the office. It was a good thing no one saw me that day.
Dude i was trying to watch a batman video not tear up, im actually in tears i don't know why but i get too emotional watching a sad video or animated movies or just movies in general like Forest Gump, Green Mile, In Pursuit of Happiness, Bridge to Terabithia, ect. but what i mean is just that this is an actual well made video that put and someone put a lot of work and effort into 🥲👍
Anyone who is going to make a Batman movie or show needs to watch this episode several times. We will never have another Kevin Conroy. But we should definitely honor his version as the true Batman.
I always liked batman that's compassionate I do like the grittiness of the modern era as well but nothing really hit as hard as the ace moment and the episode where Harley was able to live a happy life. I want this version to come back so much and show off that bruce maybe a more dark and gritty hero but he still has a heart and love to do the right thing.
Many readers get it wrong and think Batman is a symbol of vengeance, which is wild to me. Batman is a symbol of hope. Not just any hope, but a beautiful, irrational hope. To the people in the DC universe who do not know Batman is Bruce Wayne, Batman is a symbol of vengeance, and Batman clearly cultivates this perception. But the reader (and certain comic book characters) know that Batman is also Bruce Wayne, and thus can piece together that the vengeance thing is an act and that he's really about hope. Or as you put it, compassion. See, Bruce Wayne is a successful businessman. A critical skill for any businessman is knowing when a particular project or even department is a lost cause and shutting it down as quickly as possible to avoid losing too much money. Failure to do this will result in a swift trip to bankruptcy court. You have to know when something is just not going to work out, and stopping the bleeding as soon as possible by getting rid of it. So we know that Bruce Wayne must have this skill. He would not have so much money if he did not have this skill. And yet, Bruce Wayne spends millions of dollars trying to redeem the most irredeemable villains in the DC universe. He has to know that trying to reform those particular villains is extremely unlikely to be successful, and yet he spends substantial amounts of money year upon year upon year trying to do exactly that. The people in the DC universe only know about Batman obsessively attacking those villains and dragging them back to prison or Arkham Asylum over and over and over, so for them, Batman is a symbol of vengeance. But the reader sees Bruce Wayne spend all that money trying to redeem people that he should know are irredeemable. He is an atheist who is obsessed with the idea that everyone can be redeemed. Like I said, he's not just a symbol of hope, but it is a beautiful, irrational kind of hope that will never bend to reason. That gives a lot of context to his rule against killing. He cannot bring himself to kill anyone, because it is always possible that the person he killed could have been redeemed and/or cured of their mental illness.
You Nailed It! But I wish you had shown the end of "Epilogue". Bruce in his 90's & Terry in his 30's. I've always believed that Bruce Wayne is the real person & Batman is the mask. He doesn't want others to face the trauma He's faced. As you showed but didn't comment on, the Phantasm was supposed to kill Terry's parents. Andrea Beaumont couldn't do it Either.
Kevin Conroy was an amazing guy he was an outspoken ally for the LGBT+ community, a sponsor of programs for at risk children, and volunteered as a cook for rescue workers during the aftermath of 9/11
There was a great comment on another batman video, that I sadly can't recall the name of, but it went something like this: "Batman is a man who isn't trapped in emotional hell, he stays there to help others out, because by him being there, there is literally less space in hell." He's a sad, damaged man who wants to make sure no one else goes through what he did. I compared him once to someone who had been shot. Yes, the wound is healed and its scarred over, but every time he moves he can feel the scar tissue and so he scratches at it, poking it so its always reminds him of what happened.
the return?
great video by the way
You where the first yo get it right
Jesus the good Lord loves you my friends : ) Do you know the good Lord? : ) He who healed me personally when nothing else would for years
@@Venxous batman. . Have Compassion for. His. Rogues
Great video.
Bat man is Christian. " See that none render evil for evil unto any man, but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves and with all men." 1 Thessalonians 5:15
I gotta say I completely agree with your take on Batman. Someone who tries to rise above tragedy and ensure better lives for the people around him
except that's not who he is.
@@plasticweapon how do you see him then?
@@plasticweapon He is if you read comics and watch more than the bad Zack Snyder movies.
@@AnAverageGoblin Zack Snyder and Frank Miller ruined how people view Batman.
@@plasticweaponYou are obviously a fan of Zack Synder (not) Batman.
My favorite part of this moment with Ace is how it reconstructs Batman's code. With all his other villains, there's a constant moral conflict to how Batman's refusal to kill them indirectly leads to far more death. But by refusing to kill Ace, he helps her find peace in her last moments and saves millions. It goes to show there is a point to sticking by his code, if anyone else had gone through with Waller's plan the situation would've been far worse.
I like to view it as a mix of this, and Batman knowing he's nuttier than a payday bar and being afraid to spiral out of control
@@Weldedhodag Me and a buddy were discussing Batman the other day and we both determined that, in more properly written Batman stories anyway, Batman's mistrust of himself is his general paranoia about everything. He trusts virtually no one, especially himself.
@Weldedhodag I can't remember the exact phrasing but he kinda covers this in "under the hood" and says something along the lines of "If I ever go down that road, if I ever start killing. I don't think I'd be able to stop".
Bruce knows FULL well he's barely any different than the things he fights and that hard no kill rule is how he keeps himself from tipping over the edge. To a degree some versions have been implied to be scared he'd "enjoy it".
this would be a beautiful sentiment if the reason she was dying wasnt one of bruces other villains he didnt kill
@MrSandmanTBB that's because of Cadmis not the joker
to quote OSPs Red "if you cant imagine your batman comforting a dying child your not writing batman"
(Continuation) „your writing punisher“
"You're writing the punisher with a silly hat."
I remember how in “The Batman” you could see Batman feel bad for the kid whose father was killed by Riddler.
Bruce Wayne: Batman is meant to scare criminals, not children
@@Stirlingite-mm1nchow would that be the punisher? Even he's not that horrible. Sure, he kills, but he was a father and a soldier. When his family was gunned down in front of him, he went crazy. Even he would be good with children, just not an ideal role model.
Greatest batman is when he is portrayed as a Hero instead of anti-hero. Someone who got hurt, and decided: Never again, not for me, not for anyone else.
I agree with you it kind of gives Jason at least when he was Anti-Hero when he came back an extra bit of abrasiveness like Bruce saw what Jason was becoming the lengths he was willing to go and instead of saying he's a criminal he said you are my son
Batman does care which is why a lot of the newer ones not caring that much hurts.
The animated series showed him using his money to help people, to build halfway homes to help former criminals change their life around, to have the man in a bat costume sit on a swing with a dying girl.
A dying girl that could end the world, kill everyone, and ending her quickly would make no difference in the end than letting her die naturally... And yet he sat on the swing with her and stayed with her to the end because it mattered.
Maybe not to the world, not to those around them, or even the end result... But it mattered to her and thus it mattered to him.
Compassion was his greatest strength you saw from time to time... It is a shame it seems to be viewed as a weakness or something to be mocked.
no idea why so many people think "not social and emotionally stunted" think he doesn't care about anyone, if anything he cares too much given his crusade against criminals.
@@AnAverageGoblin That's the entire point of Robert Battinson in The Batman. He's awkward and different and can't quite relate to people but he cares SO MUCH.
my batman will always be a batman that cares, a batman even as his alter ego of bruce wayne is doing everything he can to make sure no one goes through what he did
He is a abusive and cold asshole.
I said it once and I’ll say it several times again but that scene with Batman and Ace is the definition Batman scene.
heroism isn't about beating the bad guy, it's about helping people.
this batman understands that to one of the greatest degrees.
... This Batman always stops by to see Harvey in the Asylum. Because Harvey is his friend. And I love that.
The Batman 2022 at the end where he realizes he needs to be a symbol not of Vengeance but of Hope, and the person is so afraid of being lifted by the helicopter they hold onto Batman until he makes them feel safe. 😭
A lot of people really missed the point of The Batman.
Yeah, that was one of my favorite aspect of the newest Batman movie, and it had mixed in well with the Year One storyline they had going for it! I hope that they'll continue with Robert Pattinson's Bruce/Batman working out his more compassionate side in future movies as an overarching theme and continue to use lesser-known/less-spoken-about Batman stories that can challenge him to work on his compassion more - like maybe they'll adapt the Hush storyarc, or Baby Doll gets more of a future role for a change.
Pity the film couldn't have started with that Batman
@@abramsullivan7764 honestly yeah, i watched maybe 30 minutes of it and decided this aint my batman, though maybe i will have to watch it now
@@anticarrrotAlmost as if that's the whole point
I agree, This is Batman
He embodies vengeance upon everyone who has been wronged
But the man behind vengeance, is a sad individual who wants to ensure no one could ever go through the same pain that haunts his soul
But together, Batman inspires pain into positive change
He will fight the irredeemable and try to help.
i don't see either vengeance or compassion in batman's actions. he's all over the place.
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Fair statement, I'll give you that
Sometimes he goes overboard such as the time in the animated series
Where he choose to crash through a window, scare the ever loving daylights out of a thug in front his his wife and kids.
@@plasticweaponthat's because the writers are all over the place
@@GhostGamer25 yeah, i don't remember that. that's not what i mean. and i said vengeance OR compassion.
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Oh my b, but hey it's been 5 months since we've gotten back to this topic lol so I'm a little forgetful ✨🤣
A child forced to face the darkness of the world too early, this is both ace and Bruce's lives somed up.
That’s why (in my opinion) the best Batman heir is Dick Grayson. Not only is he a happier Batman but he’s also a character not defined by the tragedies of his life but defined by compassion he has for others and the compassion shown to him at a young age.
This is exactly why he’s my favorite too
Dude! 100%!
I’ve personally never been a fan of Damian. Dick has always been the best in-line to take over after Bruce because he too also has a deep compassion for those in need of help.
@@SuperRexProductions I like Damian currently and Damian in the Batman reborn era (and the rebirth Nightwing book) but yes I agree. I don’t see him becoming the next Batman.
Which is why personally love the Dick!Batman and Damian!Robin era from comics;
Just imagine, a somewhat cheerful, swashbuckling Batman and an edgy, serious Robin (and, as if by a miracle, Dick gets Damian to lighten up in a way not even Bruce managed to do)
Even a 9 minute video like this can be draining to edit, it was very worth it! Good job, very much enjoyed it
It can be draining sometimes for sure but if it makes someones day better its worth it.
@@Venxous It made my day better, thank you. Batman is and always will be, my most favorite character
I always liked the line where someone is yelling at Batman that he took Dick Grayson under his wing, and helped him take down his parents killer so he could be just like him. And Batman responded, “No, I did it so he wouldn’t.”
It was wonder woman and it was because batman was fine with Shazam being on the Justice League even though he's a child
Yeah, since the Burton era, media had kinda boxed him in as dark and brooding character, strictly a symbol of fear, an isolated individual, an indifferent, calculating monster. When in reality, he has more in common with the optimistic, compassionate Superman than he does the cynical, self-serving Luthor.
It's easy to forget that, in his own way, he loves Gotham. Most people have given up on the city, but Batman hasn't.
Yea, and while in Batman Beyond he go (more) reclusive, Supes still hold him in high regard
@@hafirenggayuda Exactly.
And it also shows partly why Zach Snyder's Batman is so frustrating. He gave us a completely jaded and pessimistic Batman, one who would willingly kill Superman if there was even a 1% chance Superman could pose a threat to the world.
when people say "why doesnt he kill his villains" misses the point of him. He tries to help his villains to become better. And that is what his character is about.
Like Bruce told Harley once after her bad parole day, giving her the blouse she actually bought legally.
"I had a bad day too once..."
Harley answered: "Good guys like you shouldn't have bad days."
He understood, and Harley in her addled state of mind showed genuine compassion for his efforts.
Ace was having the ultimate bad day, and Bruce was there doing what her could.
That's who Batman is for me, he is the masculine idol. He is violence in the name of order and protection, but he's is also the wall that takes the brunt at his own cost so you don't have to.
subbed. You get it, who the best Batman is and why. How Batman is supposed to be. He’s not an edgy, hateful playboy, he’s a deeply hurting kid who lost his parents and just wants to help other people who hurt like he does, or prevent them from ever having that hurt. He’s the representation of the phrase, “ I wouldn’t wish this pain on my worst enemy” and it shows because he has compassion for even the most vile criminals.
Exactly. Today's society we're taught to demonize people for simply having a different political view and here Batman shows care and compassion to people most of us would label lost causes long ago
People often dismiss the episode because of Terry being related to Bruce but they fail to see that even without that connection, he still put on the cowl and he decided his destiny on his own. The conflict is how he feels about being Bruce’s seed and what that entails for him before ultimately coming to the conclusion that there’s always a need for a Batman but the wearer does always have to bow down to the mask like Bruce had done.
Lore of Batmans Legacy Is Compassion momentum 100
5:00 that's always a gut punch to me😭
"I've been hurt, so I will help those around me"
The ultimate rule a Batman should have.
You know, everyone talks about Epilogue, and they talk about Batman, and Ace, and Terry, but what I don't hear people talk about is this was the best Amanda Waller we probably ever got or ever will get. Cadmas was originally supposed to be the clear bad guys, but the writers realized while they were doing bad things their intentions of having weapons against literal gods was not a bad thing.
Nowadays, Waller is just the most toxic person in modern depictions. This old age Waller who would actually comfort Terry for what she did but still stand by it? We'll probably never see it again.
Overly Sarcastic Productions put it best: If you can't write a Batman that can comfort a scared child on the worst day of their life, then he's not Batman. He The Punisher wearing a silly hat.
NOPE. stop parroting.
There's a reason why Batman volunteered to get to Ace when Waller wanted to use a weapon on Ace, but Batman never intended to use that weapon on Ace. He knows that Ace suffered enough already. He sat down with her until her time came, and yet, the world was saved in the end. All because of Batman's compassion to Ace. The best part about the Ace scene is that it led to Waller creating Bruce's future successor: Terry McGinnis (Is that how you spell his name?). One of the biggest W's in Batman's history.
"I've never known anyone who cared more about his fellow man than Bruce Wayne." - Amanda Waller, Justice League Unlimited
Been through my fair share of pain and batman has helped me deal with alot of things in my life Rest in peace Kevin Conroy you are still missed. Great video by the way.
Batman is a driven, hard man but even for all his stoicism & willingness to do what must be done he's still a hurt 8 year old who wants to see the best. His mission is to help people so even if it's comforting a child he will take it on himself. As much as Bruce will think he's just a shell for Batman, he will never let go of the desire that Bruce Wayne has to make the world safer
More examples: his approach to Victor Fries, Mary Dahl, Pamela Isley´s plant clone, Robert Kirkland... And even in BotF, he showed enough compassion when the situation deserved it. And Terry learned from his parents and from him, he offered redemption to many of his foes.
The episode was The Return.
But yes we all like a badas Batman but we need the Batman that offers his hand. Why beyond hating the actor for a few reason, I refuse to count Hackflex as a man to don the cowl. The version Zack Snyder used is a childish bully. Kevin knew the weight Batman carried and how his goal was no child suffering in fear and lose. The way Bruce talks to young Richard when we see Robin's origin story is great for that. And how Alfred reminds Batman that maybe what young Dick needs isn't Batman but the kindness of Bruce.
Young Justice got it a bit too with Batman wanting to avoid Dick being like him.
And even Lego Batman a story I like but don't feel it's a great Batman learns kindness.
CONROY APROVED BATFLECK THOUGH
@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω Did he approve Batfleck, or did he approve Ben Affleck's casting as Batman. Because Zack Snyder did an amazing job with the casting for the DCEU. It's just his writing that sucked. If you had the DCEU cast with a writer that actually understood these characters, the DCEU would have been bigger than the MCU. If Paul Dini or Dwayne McDuffie (RIP) had written the scripts for the DCEU movies, and all Snyder had to do was direct, it would be brilliant. Snyder is great at putting together visuals. His remake of Dawn of the Dead was great, because he didn't write it. James Gunn did. And Gunn is a fantastic storyteller, unlike Snyder.
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Conroy liked the way
Affleck portrayed the DUALITY
Of Batman
@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω Yeah he approved of the duality not the films themselves. He never flat out said Affleck is the best. Because he wasn't he was terribly written. That's the problem with Zack Snyder he's a terrible writer.
@@callmejacob3234blame David S. Goyer and Chris Terrio.
I always admired how the animated Batman was too. Whenever I felt cheated or angry at the world I would think maybe I should just give up and be the bad guy since it's so much easier. But then this character who not only had every excuse to be a villain decided to be a hero instead. Still giving his everything even for the ones that give him grief and trouble. It kind of gave me the strength to not fall into the darkness til I eventually became a cartoonist :D
My favourite quote I’ve heard about Batman is “if you can’t imagine your Batman comforting a dying child; you’ve not written Batman, you’ve just written a bad Punisher”
⚠️ EPILEPSY WARNING ⚠️ THIS VIDEO CONTAINS FLASHING LIGHTS ⚠️
What I love most is that Ace obviously read his mind. So she knew he genuinely wanted to convince her to change everything back and that he didn’t want to hurt/kill her. It was a risk but for story telling instances it’s what makes Batman a great character.
His true motives shine through and win her over.
Batman is the personification of the superman. The ideal man we all wish we were, but feel we can never be.
Considering a recent tweet I think this video came at the perfect time. Batman's humanity is important.
This was such a beautiful moment. I remember it so vividly, nearly made me cry. Poor Ace
this really was a special episode, showing the more human side of batman, shes just a baby at life, and he doesn't do what amanda waller wants, and as a last bid of compassion, he lets her die on her own terms, great storytelling and just pure understanding of what really bruce wayne and batman really is about.
What rly shows this side of batman was in the killing joke where he tells joker " i dont know what made you what you are but maybe ive been there too. I can help you rehabilitate you together" or in archkam city with the " despite everything youve done i still would've
saved you "
i think it was said best, "if you cannot envision batman sitting down and comforting a child, you arent writing batman"
dont remember who said it. but its a powerful sentence
If you can't imagine Batman sitting down to comfort a child
Then it's because you're imagining The Punisher with a cape and cowl.
Growing up with TAS, as a Batman fan, and now a dad with children the episodes always make me cry.
I have a fuzzy memory of this episode, and it hits different now. Even after everything he's been through, he still continues to extend out to those who need his understanding. Pain comes in different forms, but in the end. It's all pain.
This is the ultimate version of Batman. While other versions of Batman may be good, the one portrayed by Kevin Conroy in the DCAU is as close to perfection as it gets (at least to me).
I miss waller being the wall, unstoppable, determined, but she does whats right. She genuinely wants a safer future for everyone. Not some hero hating monster who throws lives away by the thousand.
I wish the live action media understood this. I really hope James Gunn can give us this version. He seems to be on the right track with Superman, so fingers crossed. Yeah, he can be dark and gritty, but if you don't balance that with the empathy and compassion, he becomes boring. One of many reasons why I dislike the DCEU, and the Snyderverse specifically. He did both Batman and Superman so badly. And Wonder Woman.
6:43 That's Amazo in the background. I had to look up the episode name, Tabula Rasa.
The Batman 2022 understands it
No I just wished people in general understood it
The writers have made Batman this unstoppable god and the internet wanst the punisher
I dont want to lose another thing I love
Rewatched On Leather Wings the other night. It was refreshing how Bruce didn't send Kirk to prison or Arkham. Instead he just returned him to his wife at the end after giving Kirk an antidote he managed to make.
This is one point about Batman that many writers and artists forget when trying to push forward Batman's mega-bucks kick-assery.
He would NOT BE Batman, if he didn't CARE.
Ultimately he's out there NOT for revenge, but because he NEVER wants another child to experience HIS pain.
Epilogue is my favorite JLU episode; bar none. I know exactly how the scene with Ace goes and still cry every single time I watch it
I've been looking for your video! I agree! Batman should be able to comfort a crying child if he doesn't you've written the punisher
Reminds me of a quote. I can’t think of the person who said it, or even the exact wording but I went along the lines of: If you write a Batman that puts fear into villains but can’t give hope or comfort to a child, you haven’t written Batman you’ve written The Punisher in a mask.
I concur, I actually cried in this episode..
DCAU Batman solos every live action version his humanity is what made him so iconic.
First off , great video and this is definitely how Batman should be portrayed. I totally agree with everything said in this video, except for one thing, which is that Bruce Wayne had not been the true identity since his parents died. Bruce Wayne was always a playboy, which gave him the means to be able to be Batman. I think Batman himself has the humanity that you are talking about in the video.
Batman TAS is on the shortlist for greatest American animated television program ever.
honestly i much prefer his compassion being the reason he never kills over his paranoia.
the man knows the absolute value of a life and couldn't bare to inflict the pain onto others, cause even if the villains themselves deserve it, the families don't.
obviously the jokers existance is a complete rebuttal to the ideology but that's what makes him such an interesting villain, he is the obvious rebuttal to batmans ideology and that's the point.
plus you know character flaws make characters interesting, there's a reason mary sues are despised, perfect decision making simply doesn't create any drama.
92, 99, 04 & The Brave and the Bold are unquestionably the four best entries on that entire list at the start
It was the golden era, not just for Batman but all Media, all *LIFE*
You are not wrong with your perception of Batman
If you can't see Batman in that scene with Ace, or even Babydoll, you're not watching Batman.
I agree, with the statement, that every version, of heroic Batman, should genuinely care.
It’s his compassion, and capability to forgive, and to add his moral-code, is what makes him a great masked hero.
The comics only occasionally remember to make Bruce philanthropic or caring, but when it does happen ("Be good, Ellie") it never fails to remind me of the animated series. One thing Waller got right was that Batman's greatest strength was his heart.
Excellent essay. Could not agree more.
Thanks for this amazing observation video man 😄
This episode of the future is now the past. I'd love to see writing like this again. A scene like that.
One of my favorite moments from the animated series was when Two-Face learns that Bruce was paying for a procedure to be done to help him. He doesn't know that Bruce is Batman, of course, but it reveals some of the more subtle ways that Bruce tries to help his rogue's gallery.
Great take! If you look up the grave marker of Bob Kane, it discribes the inspiration behind Batman. It gave me goosebumps when i read it!
Super heroes are suppose to be symbols of hope, of justice. life is dark and its fine and great to put them in dark stories but a truely great superhero story is ultimately one of hope, no matter how dark, no matter how hopeless, the heroe will always hold out hope and inspire it in others. To me, this is always what my favorite super heroes have ment, and batman as my favorite super hero is the peak of that, a normal man useing everything in him, good and bad to ultimately do good even in a world of literal gods like super man and wonder woman, he stands shoulder to shoulder with them as beaken of hope and justice.
what makes Batman so incredible is his compassion and kindness towards others who were wrapped up in unfortunate circumstances like Ace was. Baby Doll was another victim like Ace because she stopped growing at a certain point and was unable to get more roles in movies and on TV. Batman showed that while he has no problem knocking a hardened criminal out, he shows love towards those who wanted a normal life. the difference between Joker and Ace is Joker kills for the fun of it while Ace just wants to be a kid. this is what makes Batman a hero
For me, it's at the end of Year One, where Bruce saves Gordon's Baby, that reveals his compassion for me. There are so many to choose from...
I think I love this take of vengeance because it’s really more so a promise of vengeance to the evils of the world to Dave these crooked people in the time where they have no one
the scene with batman and ace always hits me right in the feels.
I like Batman. Batman Forever and The Dark Knight are my favourite Batman movies. The 90s animated Batman is pure Batman and who Batman should be.
Batman TAS made me cry all the time.
Reached the end and you're absolutely 100% right about Batman. He's better when writers embrace the empathetic side of his character along with the vengeful side and that's something that the Ben Affleck/Snyder films lacked in spades. Batman isn't and shouldn't just be this violent angry edgelord with no mention of the good he tries to do, he should try to show empathy to the villains who deserve it and be a symbol of hope AND justice. It's so wild to me that DC hasn't been able to capture that in their films when they have the perfect blueprint in the 90's DCAU. Those cartoons have some of the peak portrayals of these characters and there are so many lessons to take from them. A Batman who cares, one who takes the time to recognize that not every villain is irredeemable and some just had one bad day. A superman who grew up with the love of two adoptive parents, neither taken by cheap emotional tactics like a tornado and whose simple lessons formed the hero he is. A wonder woman who finds that her island's teachings doesn't have to color her interactions with the rest of humanity and that there is good and allies to be found out there. A green lantern who, despite having his own set of problems, can use his experiences to keep his planet, and others out in the galaxy, safe in his own way. A flash who is, much like Batman and Superman, just as empathetic behind his goofy persona and is willing to sit and talk with a villain, to promise to visit him. A martian manhunter who goes through hell but comes out of it with a new family, an entire planet that sees him in the same heroic light as the rest of the league.
Like, there are so many good episodes in the DCAU that could form a template for a better Batman. Baby Doll, the Epilogue episode mentioned in this video, Harley's Holiday and the Two-Face episodes where he shows an endless desire to save his friend. Flash and Substance is also an amazing episode since it shows the Flash being just as empathetic towards his villains and how his care free persona hides this depth to his character. Batman Beyond too, since there's so much depth added to Bruce Wayne's character in that series.
I guess overall the main point is that the 90's DCAU is very good and still holds up to this day and I encourage everyone to go check it out if you haven't already. I hope DC starts taking lessons from the characterizations in these shows, I'm not sure why they've had such a weird resistance to using them as a base for their films but maybe the new Superman film will be a step in the right direction since it seems Clark will, for the first time in a while, actually have both his adoptive parents alive and kicking. I can only hope so because there's so much potential there that has just been buried under edginess lol
(The Batman 2022 was cool though, there still is room for edginess and I felt like that film captured a bit of the Arkhamverse in it's characterisations)
I grew up obsessed with Batman and I have questioned why he doesn’t kill the villains. I realized that what makes Batman’s villains so great is that they aren’t completely bad, they all have so much depth to them and I now get why Batman tries to rehabilitates them.
I remember another clip where two henchmen are searching a building, and one opens a door to find batman. The two look at each other before the henchmen just closes the door and walks away.
"Did you see anything?"
"Nope."
Somehow, I can't imagine fun moments like that happening in the dark and gritty modern versions.
With how movies have become focused on becoming more cinematic, with their depictions of these characters, we lose stories like this. A story that says more through the animation than in words. Batman is the hero that wants to bring hope to Gotham, and we see this get touched on in The Batman movie. But the episode referenced in the video is the best form of Batman.
Their is a trust formed as Batman is the only one allowed to approach Ace, as she read his mind. Instead of doing what needs to be done, he talks with her, and listens to her pains and fears that lead to this point. He is direct with her about her death and apologizes. I cry every time I see him sit on that swing and comforts the poor scared girl, whose about to die. He never says anything he offers his hand and they just sit. Their is no dialogue only music, and the next time we see the two Batman is carrying her.
I will always point to this episode as showing who Batman really is. He is still the same Batman we saw in the original Batman Animated Series where he helped the poor woman who was stuck looking like a child whose life went to shit after her show was cancelled. Batman should never be the version we see in the All Star Batman comics, but the one we see here who believes in a second chance, just as he has given to those in his Bat-Family.
Batman!! He literally is the hero we deserve
Epilog is the only piece of media that 100% will make me cry even just thinking of it.
Thanks youtube algorithm for suggesting me this, reminding me of that episode and summoning the onnion cutting ninjas to my apartment.
Kevin's Batman is always the batman I think of when I think of batman.
I'm pretty sure that entire legions of Batman fans have dedicated their lives to trying to live their lives, influenced by this remarkable character; trying to make their world a better place. One that he'd be proud of-strange as that is to say.
God, I miss the DCAU...
RIP Kevin Conroy
I remember watching that episode and it stuck with me as an adult. I have always admired heroes who have deep empathy to pain and anguish. And when I became a doctor, a pediatrician to be exact, I had a patient who knew he was dying and all I could offer was a lending ear. We watched this same episode and after all of that, when he died a few days later, I couldn't help but cry. I was a mess in the office. It was a good thing no one saw me that day.
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All of Kevin Conroys portrayals of Batman are spot on.
The Killing Joke: Hold my sex scene
I have hope that the batman movie with the theme of vengeance,and riddler as the villain will build up to being like this batman.
We all need a batman like that
Dude i was trying to watch a batman video not tear up, im actually in tears i don't know why but i get too emotional watching a sad video or animated movies or just movies in general like Forest Gump, Green Mile, In Pursuit of Happiness, Bridge to Terabithia, ect. but what i mean is just that this is an actual well made video that put and someone put a lot of work and effort into 🥲👍
James Gunn should watch this
The word you are looking for is heroic Batman is a hero.
Anyone who is going to make a Batman movie or show needs to watch this episode several times. We will never have another Kevin Conroy. But we should definitely honor his version as the true Batman.
I always liked batman that's compassionate I do like the grittiness of the modern era as well but nothing really hit as hard as the ace moment and the episode where Harley was able to live a happy life. I want this version to come back so much and show off that bruce maybe a more dark and gritty hero but he still has a heart and love to do the right thing.
one of my favorite quotes is "if you can't imagine batman being kind your just imagining the punisher in a silly mask"
Ace is also the name of Batmans dog in the Batman beyond universe. Terry also ends up dating a girl from the royal flush gang
Many readers get it wrong and think Batman is a symbol of vengeance, which is wild to me.
Batman is a symbol of hope. Not just any hope, but a beautiful, irrational hope.
To the people in the DC universe who do not know Batman is Bruce Wayne, Batman is a symbol of vengeance, and Batman clearly cultivates this perception.
But the reader (and certain comic book characters) know that Batman is also Bruce Wayne, and thus can piece together that the vengeance thing is an act and that he's really about hope. Or as you put it, compassion.
See, Bruce Wayne is a successful businessman. A critical skill for any businessman is knowing when a particular project or even department is a lost cause and shutting it down as quickly as possible to avoid losing too much money. Failure to do this will result in a swift trip to bankruptcy court. You have to know when something is just not going to work out, and stopping the bleeding as soon as possible by getting rid of it. So we know that Bruce Wayne must have this skill. He would not have so much money if he did not have this skill.
And yet, Bruce Wayne spends millions of dollars trying to redeem the most irredeemable villains in the DC universe.
He has to know that trying to reform those particular villains is extremely unlikely to be successful, and yet he spends substantial amounts of money year upon year upon year trying to do exactly that.
The people in the DC universe only know about Batman obsessively attacking those villains and dragging them back to prison or Arkham Asylum over and over and over, so for them, Batman is a symbol of vengeance. But the reader sees Bruce Wayne spend all that money trying to redeem people that he should know are irredeemable.
He is an atheist who is obsessed with the idea that everyone can be redeemed.
Like I said, he's not just a symbol of hope, but it is a beautiful, irrational kind of hope that will never bend to reason.
That gives a lot of context to his rule against killing. He cannot bring himself to kill anyone, because it is always possible that the person he killed could have been redeemed and/or cured of their mental illness.
Batman is actually a symbol of vengeance, though. Superman is Hope.
You Nailed It! But I wish you had shown the end of "Epilogue". Bruce in his 90's & Terry in his 30's. I've always believed that Bruce Wayne is the real person & Batman is the mask. He doesn't want others to face the trauma He's faced. As you showed but didn't comment on, the Phantasm was supposed to kill Terry's parents. Andrea Beaumont couldn't do it Either.
the animated batmans will always be the peak writing for the character
Kevin Conroy was an amazing guy he was an outspoken ally for the LGBT+ community, a sponsor of programs for at risk children, and volunteered as a cook for rescue workers during the aftermath of 9/11
a real humanitarian- i must say..
Annnnd here we have the mental gymnastics crowed. Fuck off.
He is Batman
My favorite part was the seizure I received from the pointless blinking throughout the entire video, couldn’t have possibly watched without it
There was a great comment on another batman video, that I sadly can't recall the name of, but it went something like this:
"Batman is a man who isn't trapped in emotional hell, he stays there to help others out, because by him being there, there is literally less space in hell."
He's a sad, damaged man who wants to make sure no one else goes through what he did. I compared him once to someone who had been shot. Yes, the wound is healed and its scarred over, but every time he moves he can feel the scar tissue and so he scratches at it, poking it so its always reminds him of what happened.