Yeah man those yz250x are killer bikes. Cross country, desert, hard enduro and moto. There is a guy Ryan Sandoval that has a channel called Joey Mac. He was a pro trials rider and a hard enduro rider and for a fair bit of time he did some serious stuff on a yz250x
Such a fun trail but I have yet to go up it. Looks like a solid challenge and the first time we went down the thought of going up was hard to wrap my head around.
Im thinking a big improvement would be the new Hitlis PV kit. The PV opens progressively, so it's not only smoother with more control, below peak it makes optimized power at a wide range of rpm. Look it up on YT. The inventor gives a good run down. Reviews are very good.
@@SingletrackStafford From an old school former rider, with ya. 🤙 If I were to start riding again, the YZ 250x would be my weapon of choice! Bike sounds crisp. Long live 2 strokes!
Dont even need the e start on these bikes. That would add 10 pounds. These are super light and nimble bikes with plenty of power. Im not knocking ktm but i dont see how theyre 3k better
Of course they're setting up closer signs. I've not yet seen any of them out there but that just sucks and doesn't shock me. The fun haters will do everything they can to stop us.
Ktms are supposed to be better then yamaha for that type of terrain, but it seems to me that they are struggling and you are not, that tells me that yamaha is great and all comes down to the rider, great video and great riding, yamaha baby 👍.
@@SingletrackStafford i didn't really think there was any of your mistakes edited out. But, to play a proper devils advocate. Had to include that as a possibility. The bike is only as capable a the rider
@@marco21falcon I've always heard 90% rider 10% bike. I know plenty of people with really nice bikes that struggle on these trails. Had a Beta 300 before this and overall like the YZ better, but both have pros and cons.
You mentioned SPLAT OR.. So is it safe to assume this trail is in UT? If so you tell me where as I'd love to give this a RIP.. Looks a lot like the Delle area near SLC but I'm not sure? Anyhow, nice riding!!
I would think the yz being way more nimble and light is more capable than any ktm sherco or any other 2 stroke for hard enduro besides no electric start it’s like a mountain bike with a motor
You just run what ya brung son... you can use any bike for anything it's largely dependent on experience. Yes other more expensive motorcycles may make it easier, but that's not the point. Hard Enduro is not supposed to be easy it's supposed to be one of the hardest things you've ever done on a motorcycle.😅 Never mind potential comments from the Muppets who say you should get this bike at that bike spend $10,000 15,000 don't listen to them 😂😂😂 chances are they are mediocre riders at best. I ride a low-cost hardtail on the most technical terrain on the east coast and I can ride everything, I'm not a great rider but I'm a capable rider and the bike makes me work harder and hone my skills. 👍 " it's not (always) about the bike" ✊
Do you think the yz250x has a bad turning radius? Clearly you’re getting by very well but that’s a point I’ve seen brought up in other videos when compared to KTM’s
Here's an essay for you: The obvious difference is the Beta has 50ccs more displacement so it lugged a little better. It also had electric start which is always nice. It was easy to ride and felt really agile. It was a singletrack monster. Cons: it wasn't very durable. I had electrically issues, paint on the frame starting chipping off, seat cover started cracking, fork tube anodizing wore off, computer never worked, one footpeg tilted higher than the other because of a glob of weld from the factory, factory sprocket the steal ring came loose from the aluminum center, not very stable at higher speeds, remove thermostat housing because it will leak, weird false neutrals sometimes if I was cruising road, clutch pull was actually heavier than my cable on the YZ250X. Parts are harder to come by. For example, I was on a multi-day ride with my YZ when I ripped my chain guide off. I was in a small town in Idaho and they had one. That wouldn't happen with the Beta and your riding trip would be done. Not likely to happen, but something in the back of my mind. The Yamaha is better across a wide range of terrain. I can ride it in the mountains one day and rip the desert the other. It has better top end pull and mid range. It's been really reliable. Never have to replace anything other than maintenance items like brake pads and pistons. The simplicity of the YZ is unmatched, it's so easy to work on. It feels lighter (it is) on the trails and it's just really fun and playful everywhere I ride it. The kickstand is beefy, which looks stupid, but works really well and you feel cool when all your KTM buddies have their kickstand break. Cons: the gearing isn't as good as the Beta (I swap between a 14 and 13 tooth sprocket depending on the terrain), it's easy to hit neutral shifting from 2nd to 1st (I modified the shifter star and it hasn't been a problem since). Doesn't lug as strong as a 300, but still lugs really well with a GYTR flywheel and hasn't been a problem. Small gas tank stock, so a bigger tank is nice. You have to kick start it which is a big deal for some people, transmission drain plug is on the bottom, so you have to remove the skid plate to change the oil. Needs a bigger flywheel from stock. Really weak chain guide tabs on the swing arm, a bulletproof designs guard is a must. I broke them clean off twice before I learned my lesson and had a local guy weld me up some neat reinforcements. Each bike I've owned has downsides. Overall I have way more fun on the YZ. I smile everytime I ride it. With a flyhweel, sprocket change and a bigger tank (optional), it's a great bike.
@@SingletrackStafford ok , how bout electric start , hydraulic clutch , a 300cc hard enduro tuned motor , need I go on? I know all those things have no merit. Yamaha is still making the same 250 2 stroke they were making in 1989.
@@Matthew-wn8oq They have no reason to do that, there are plenty of other options out there for someone that wants that. TM, Rieju, Beta, Sherco, KTM, Husky, Gas Gas. 7 brands off the top of my head that fit that description.
Not hating on Yamaha they are 100 percent solid and capable…. But at the end of the day there is not a single Yamaha 250 that is worth 8 grand on the showroom floor…. That’s where Yamaha screwed the pooch, their number one benefit over the euro bikes was affordability, now it’s 2003 technology for the same price as modern two stroke tech…. No thanks.
@@desert-timber-outdoors6577 to each their own. Glad I got mine used with 5 hours for $5k 3 years ago. It's been a great bike. My buddy has a 2023 250XC and likes it overall. I thought it being fuel injected it would get better gas mileage. It's pretty thirsty like my YZ.
@@SingletrackStafford yea I got converted to beta actually. Rode the TBI bike one season and then got on a 2023 beta 300 and never looked back. Absolutely love them….
I have quite a few mods, but for someone with a new bike a flywheel weight and a 13 tooth front sprocket will be a great start. Free mods that are also important: proper jetting and my clutch lever mod I show in my other video. You can have a great bike for under $200 in mods
Yeah man those yz250x are killer bikes. Cross country, desert, hard enduro and moto. There is a guy Ryan Sandoval that has a channel called Joey Mac. He was a pro trials rider and a hard enduro rider and for a fair bit of time he did some serious stuff on a yz250x
I remember seeing those videos. Pretty cool
Amazing skills
@@davidmarquez126 thanks!
Such a fun trail but I have yet to go up it. Looks like a solid challenge and the first time we went down the thought of going up was hard to wrap my head around.
I think the BLM blocked it off. At least there's a sign saying no motorized vehicles. A bunch of those signs around there now.
Heck yeah they can! Yz250x is more than capable!
It is really weird seeing myself in a video. Haha!
It's weird seeing myself on your video
@SingletrackStafford I think it's just cause I am so used to only seeing pov of myself.
Dude awesome! You need to take me there like this year.
Bring it on brother!
We have the same last name and bikes. Crazy. Mines a 2022 x hella love my bike.
Nice dude! It's a great bike
Im thinking a big improvement would be the new Hitlis PV kit. The PV opens progressively, so it's not only smoother with more control, below peak it makes optimized power at a wide range of rpm. Look it up on YT. The inventor gives a good run down. Reviews are very good.
You should check out my other videos. I run the HITLIS. It's a great system. Thanks for watching!
Looks like a blast!
It really was. Thanks for watching
Awesome 👍👍
Thanks for watching!
The fact they couldn't even give it electric start killed it for me. Almost bought one new but went with a KTM 250XC.
I don't mind kicking. To each their own
@@SingletrackStafford From an old school former rider, with ya. 🤙 If I were to start riding again, the YZ 250x would be my weapon of choice! Bike sounds crisp. Long live 2 strokes!
Dont even need the e start on these bikes. That would add 10 pounds. These are super light and nimble bikes with plenty of power. Im not knocking ktm but i dont see how theyre 3k better
It's not that they couldn't, it's that they meant to not. To each their own but to me it's less parts that break.
This looks similar Delle. I stumbled across this video. I’d like to come ride this with you.
If you find me on Instagram, send me a DM
Très belles images 🔥🔥
Merci! Merci d'avoir regardé
Of course they're setting up closer signs. I've not yet seen any of them out there but that just sucks and doesn't shock me. The fun haters will do everything they can to stop us.
It's only going to get worse unfortunately. They are trying to grab land all over the US.
@@SingletrackStafford yup... gonna have to go rogue eventually I suspect
Had the x e fantic twenty one model best bike i've ever heard Basically a y z With a fantic Badge on
They are great bikes. Excited to see how their new 300 works out
Ktms are supposed to be better then yamaha for that type of terrain, but it seems to me that they are struggling and you are not, that tells me that yamaha is great and all comes down to the rider, great video and great riding, yamaha baby 👍.
Thanks brother. It's a fun bike.
I don't see it that way. It's more the rider. On top of that... who knows how much mistakes did the yahmmy rider edit out
@@marco21falcon nothing edited. Thanks for watching!
@@SingletrackStafford i didn't really think there was any of your mistakes edited out. But, to play a proper devils advocate. Had to include that as a possibility. The bike is only as capable a the rider
@@marco21falcon I've always heard 90% rider 10% bike. I know plenty of people with really nice bikes that struggle on these trails. Had a Beta 300 before this and overall like the YZ better, but both have pros and cons.
You mentioned SPLAT OR.. So is it safe to assume this trail is in UT? If so you tell me where as I'd love to give this a RIP.. Looks a lot like the Delle area near SLC but I'm not sure?
Anyhow, nice riding!!
I can't share specifics because BLM is starting to place trail closure signs. Sorry brother. If you ever want to go rip send me a DM on instagram.
Dam very nice single-track. Challenging
It's a lot of fun. Thanks for watching!
That's impressive. It sure look to chugg with that apex head. looks to be no different then the KTM's. Is this stock carb or lectron? thx
I ran the stock carb for 3 years. I'm running the Billetron Pro as of 2 months ago. It's good, but not necessary.
I would think the yz being way more nimble and light is more capable than any ktm sherco or any other 2 stroke for hard enduro besides no electric start it’s like a mountain bike with a motor
It's a little lighter than other bikes, but I wouldn't say it's significant
@@SingletrackStafford have you had any experience with a 23 ktm 250sx as a woods bike? Thinking of getting one local shop has it for 6500
@@rdgsupafli no experience, sorry
You just run what ya brung son... you can use any bike for anything it's largely dependent on experience. Yes other more expensive motorcycles may make it easier, but that's not the point. Hard Enduro is not supposed to be easy it's supposed to be one of the hardest things you've ever done on a motorcycle.😅
Never mind potential comments from the Muppets who say you should get this bike at that bike spend $10,000 15,000 don't listen to them 😂😂😂 chances are they are mediocre riders at best.
I ride a low-cost hardtail on the most technical terrain on the east coast and I can ride everything, I'm not a great rider but I'm a capable rider and the bike makes me work harder and hone my skills. 👍 " it's not (always) about the bike" ✊
I know plenty of bad riders with expensive bikes
@@SingletrackStafford 😂 Yup! Same 'ol same 'ol... it's everywhere, pushbikes, moto's etc.
Seems like w/o an electric starter, the Yz would benefit from a rekluse clutch
You lose control with an autoclutch, but some people like them.
Do you think the yz250x has a bad turning radius?
Clearly you’re getting by very well but that’s a point I’ve seen brought up in other videos when compared to KTM’s
It's probably a little less than a KTM, but I've never had a problem. I'm able to get around switchbacks and things.
Can you compare this YZ250X with your last Beta? Strengths and weaknesses of each? Thanks!
Here's an essay for you:
The obvious difference is the Beta has 50ccs more displacement so it lugged a little better. It also had electric start which is always nice. It was easy to ride and felt really agile. It was a singletrack monster. Cons: it wasn't very durable. I had electrically issues, paint on the frame starting chipping off, seat cover started cracking, fork tube anodizing wore off, computer never worked, one footpeg tilted higher than the other because of a glob of weld from the factory, factory sprocket the steal ring came loose from the aluminum center, not very stable at higher speeds, remove thermostat housing because it will leak, weird false neutrals sometimes if I was cruising road, clutch pull was actually heavier than my cable on the YZ250X. Parts are harder to come by. For example, I was on a multi-day ride with my YZ when I ripped my chain guide off. I was in a small town in Idaho and they had one. That wouldn't happen with the Beta and your riding trip would be done. Not likely to happen, but something in the back of my mind.
The Yamaha is better across a wide range of terrain. I can ride it in the mountains one day and rip the desert the other. It has better top end pull and mid range. It's been really reliable. Never have to replace anything other than maintenance items like brake pads and pistons. The simplicity of the YZ is unmatched, it's so easy to work on. It feels lighter (it is) on the trails and it's just really fun and playful everywhere I ride it. The kickstand is beefy, which looks stupid, but works really well and you feel cool when all your KTM buddies have their kickstand break. Cons: the gearing isn't as good as the Beta (I swap between a 14 and 13 tooth sprocket depending on the terrain), it's easy to hit neutral shifting from 2nd to 1st (I modified the shifter star and it hasn't been a problem since). Doesn't lug as strong as a 300, but still lugs really well with a GYTR flywheel and hasn't been a problem. Small gas tank stock, so a bigger tank is nice. You have to kick start it which is a big deal for some people, transmission drain plug is on the bottom, so you have to remove the skid plate to change the oil. Needs a bigger flywheel from stock. Really weak chain guide tabs on the swing arm, a bulletproof designs guard is a must. I broke them clean off twice before I learned my lesson and had a local guy weld me up some neat reinforcements.
Each bike I've owned has downsides. Overall I have way more fun on the YZ. I smile everytime I ride it. With a flyhweel, sprocket change and a bigger tank (optional), it's a great bike.
@@SingletrackStafford Super great analysis and breakdown. I'm going with the YZ!
@@surfpr727 just one guy's experience. If you are a lower skill level rider that Beta will be easier to ride.
Is 1st gear on the 250x low enough for the worst of the steep rocky climbs?
Does the 250X boil ever boil over or do you run a cooling fan?
1st works great if you have 13-50 gearing. I run Evans coolant and never boil
What mods do you have on the X?
Apex Racing XC head, GYTR flywheel, and 13 tooth sprocket
Loving the poverty.. feels like I'm there 😂
Huh?
Autocorrect 😂 meant POV @@SingletrackStafford
@@baneeyboy I was thoroughly confused for a second. Thanks for watching mate!
@@SingletrackStafford 🙏🙏
Yamaha needs.to get their shit together and modernize their 2t's
What would you consider modern? Please don't say fuel injection
@@SingletrackStafford ok , how bout electric start , hydraulic clutch , a 300cc hard enduro tuned motor , need I go on? I know all those things have no merit. Yamaha is still making the same 250 2 stroke they were making in 1989.
@@SingletrackStafford I would consider what Fantic did , modern .
@@Matthew-wn8oq They have no reason to do that, there are plenty of other options out there for someone that wants that. TM, Rieju, Beta, Sherco, KTM, Husky, Gas Gas. 7 brands off the top of my head that fit that description.
@@SingletrackStafford insightful
Obviously you “can” do hard enduro on the yz250x, Gaspareto5 do hard enduro on a motocross yz250 on youtube and it runs perfect
Never heard of him. I'll have to look it up.
Not hating on Yamaha they are 100 percent solid and capable…. But at the end of the day there is not a single Yamaha 250 that is worth 8 grand on the showroom floor…. That’s where Yamaha screwed the pooch, their number one benefit over the euro bikes was affordability, now it’s 2003 technology for the same price as modern two stroke tech…. No thanks.
I'm not sure you know what you're talking about. A new Yamaha is $8099 and a new KTM 250 XC is $10999. That's almost $3k savings.
@@SingletrackStafford 2024 ktm 250 xc with rebates right now on the showroom floor is 9000 bucks…. I’m going with the ktm.
@@desert-timber-outdoors6577 to each their own. Glad I got mine used with 5 hours for $5k 3 years ago. It's been a great bike. My buddy has a 2023 250XC and likes it overall. I thought it being fuel injected it would get better gas mileage. It's pretty thirsty like my YZ.
@@SingletrackStafford yea I got converted to beta actually. Rode the TBI bike one season and then got on a 2023 beta 300 and never looked back. Absolutely love them….
@@desert-timber-outdoors6577 I had a 2017 300RR Race Edition until a few years ago. It was a great bike. I wish more people would give them a look.
Is this ride after you installed the hitlis setup? Are you using a heavier flywheel?
It was before. I have the GYTR flywheel
Was wondering what “few mods” you did? Thanks, cool video
I have quite a few mods, but for someone with a new bike a flywheel weight and a 13 tooth front sprocket will be a great start. Free mods that are also important: proper jetting and my clutch lever mod I show in my other video. You can have a great bike for under $200 in mods
@@SingletrackStafford nice thanks for the response, yeah, I was thinking about trying that clever mod on my RM, appreciate it