Why Red Dead Online Died
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- Опубликовано: 22 сен 2024
- How did Red Dead Online go from one of the most hyped online multiplayer games of all time to a disappointing, abandoned shell of a game?
This video is a deep dive into the tragedy of Red Dead Online, telling the story of it's beautiful rise and quick fall.
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R* dropped the ball on making private servers for people who didn't want to play in public servers riddled with modders (not all are bad, but a lot are). The game is beautiful, and long slow trail rides are nice. But there are plenty of things that should've been added to help with replayability. I like doing missions, but I don't ever play in the mini games with people, not even the races. I don't touch the mini games. But my friends are different and want more excitement, but I don't always know what we should do other than try and do bounties and sorta Blood missions. I know that my friends probably wouldn't really want to just do a nature walk with the horses. There is a lot to do in the game, but there are some things they could add to kinda scratch my itch just right. Owning a house is a big one. We kinda get that with the Moonshiner's shack. You "customize" it by adding things to it. But it's just not the same. I think adding gardening would be fun. You could maybe get a garden bed from Harriet, since she's the nature freak. Then you could grow food and feed your horse for free. :3
I WAS BANNED FROM BOTH GRAND THEF AUTO ONLINE AND RED DEAD ONLINE WAS ON BOTH TUESDAY 7 DECEMBER 2021 AND MONDAY 13 DECEMBER 2021 AND SATURDAY 19 FEBRUARY 2022 AND SUNDAY 20 FEBRUARY 2022 FROM RASHEED NATHA SOUTH AFRICA GAMING CHANNEL ONLYS
It died because rockstar acts like it doesn't exist
Wizards fly around giving gifts and curses to those who it pleases while the devs sit and let their creation fester
or maybe because Rockstar didn't know what to do and be lazy, not following what players wanted in the actual game. They could've added heist like GTA Online but in a more fun way, but they added boring missions and more ways to be bored by playing a useless game.
😢😢 cry more
@@IMeanMachine101 u clicked on this vid just to cry about it
I read this in arthurs voice
Rockstar took this project as an experiment to see how much money they could make by doing the bare minimum. They failed and the game died.
YUP they wanted to make the most money with little to no effort expecting it to perform as well as GTA V, forgetting of how simple and boring GTA V Online started from.
Could it be that they need to prioritize GTA 6 , it may be more complex
They won't learn their lesson either. GTAO has so many ways of making good money now without needing to buy Sharkcards I guess their revenue stream from that has probably slowed up now and they wanted another revenue stream, but they fucked it up.
And GTA 6 online will be the same.
They figured the 1800's western setting centered in a wilderness has less materialism for shark cards to use in contrast to GTA online 😭
Would love if they added cabins/properties, Imagine having your own cabin, being able to display ledgendary animals you hunted, maybe having the ability to grow food in a garden, A very simple update that would add so much to the game
Unfortunately that would require rockstar actually putting effort into fixing rdo 😔
Rockstar cares about money and only money. I support the use of mod menu's. #FKsharkcards
@@genetic2202 You would think Rockstar would contract another company to maintain RDO given the vast amount of money they have but they chose to not care at all. I won't be surprised if they shut down the servers in the near future to stop paying for the servers.
You can do all that on pc with mods
@@michaelschneider4701 it not everyone has pc lol
It's sad that in a cowboy outlaw game you can't even rob trains, rob banks or anything else that would make this game better. I would love to spend all the money I have grinded for on a property but we don't even get that either. It's sad to say but I love to fish and hunt more than do anything else in that game because what is there really to do other than do the same missions for the hundredth time
You can rob a train
But its not really fun to grind for it
And clearly not pay enough
@@IllIlNIllIIno you can't
Only in story mode
You cannot rob trains for money online stop lying,besides, everyone who's ever played it already knows that
@@dorokaiyinvil5705 Covington Emerald.
I think i played more rdr o than you then
You probably didn't have enough capital to play that robbery
@@dorokaiyinvil5705And what is the Covington emerald train robbery?
you really don't know anything about this game
@@IllIlNIllIIHaha
Exaclty
He must have 3 poor randomly looted Captial in his pocket
Clearly not a Legend of this game
Let him enjoy his vegan Naturalist rôle
While GTA Online started small and build up on Microtransactions over time, Red Dead Online overwhelmed you with Microtransactions right from the start but with not much to offer.
Yes and they thought they could get away with it, if not for these meddling RUclipsrs
All those microtransactions, nothing to spend the currency on. No properties to buy
@@A1stardanthe moonshine shack and camp but that’s literally it, I really wanted house properties
Exactly
Yea GTA has that illusion of role play when you can afford things due to materialism, and guessing it had interiors that require loading screens to fill the world with businesses and owned establishments. compare to RD2 seamless interiors and limited stuff to own set in the wilderness.
It was killed by R* in a most brutal way.
yup the reason it died was laziness
When the figured there's least shark card to use in-game.
Instead of wasting time and resources on the online mode, they should have made DLCs for the single game mode
Online still had so much Potential just ignoring it and just update story mode sounds kinda stupid imo.
@@Comment66 I mean you're both correct.. They should've went full send with RDR Online. They made their bed. If they didn't wanna do it, they should've just made DLC for campaign. They failed at both. Brutally.
Literally no one I know has played the single player tho. We were all excited for a cowboy gta online.
I was surprised that people had so much expectation of RDR2 online. If anyone played the original red dead online then you'd know it was just as empty.
@@alphaevolution Yeah so was GTA IV's. So was GTA V's when it launched.
the only thing i wanted was undead nightmare man, they hinted towards it and everything
I remember the random zombies popping up online
@@BennyMagzexactly! It's a shame they wanted so badly for RDO to become a cash cow like GTAO is instead of giving us a fun DLC we all begged for.
@@AlmightyPooFlingerVI hopefully they bring them back this October lol
@@BennyMagz oh man, I didn't mean to reply specifically to you. My bad. Lol
Would be cool if they brought the zombies back in RDO though, I've never seen them.
@@AlmightyPooFlingerVI oh werd ? Bet send ya Gamertagg I’ma smoke you in Valentine
I played rdo way back in the day and did a bounty mission with friends. We rode up to the jail house with our bounty and instead of turning him in, they all just stood there. I was so confused I thought my game froze. I asked my friend what happened and they said, were waiting for the timmer to run out. That's when I realized wasting time = more money
Yup I did that all the time...that part really sucks...that's when I use the bathroom, smoked a cigarette and roll a blunt 😂
@@sosweetbaby4 Haha the amount of times my friends asked me cover them while they took a smoke break or took care of their kid was crazy 😂 this game was really just another chore to keep up with, not a game to play
It's the same thing in GTA 5
Dumbest game mechanic ever 🙄
This guy just explained the whole thing so truthfully, I played RDR Online and it was SO boring, nothing to do, so many hours into killing people and not even gaining anything. This video tells it all.
tbh making gold bars and money was a skill issue in rdo before they ultimately nerfed all the ways people that really played knew (around summer 2020). I always had at least 50-60 gold bars ready just to be ready in case they added new content. also, the game was supposed to be played in crew - or multiple crews, where each member have a sale of shine or hunting wagon and each call each other when they sell the stuff so everybody eats. i remember doing 5-6k in a hour and half of switching posse and doing sales with people
i tried playing it after competing the story twice but i got bored after literally like 45 mins
@@lowkeystupidasfyea I got bored very fast. But they got me to try it, something that's never happened with gta online
Bro I have like over 20,000 pedestrian kills. An entire cities population worth of people dead cause there ain’t nothing to do lmao
@@TheRastafarianStuffthen the games of failure because most people weren't playing in a posse they were playing alone.
The building in Valentine that we all seen being built and never gets finished is RDO in a nutshell
It does get finished by the second epilogue but so wasn't the case with RDO
Lemme save everyone about 15 min. Gta was more profitable, and rockstar is a company motivated by profit, not fans.
Gta online, in case anyone wants to be that mf who specifies.
All companies are motivated by profit, not fans. One day they'll realize to profit people have to like your product.
And why is gta online more profitable? I played gta online for a year after it launched and gave up before there was a single thing added that was worth money. Gta became profitable because they realized you actually have to add content to your online world to convince anyone to pay for it. They dropped the ball with rdr online because they basically abandoned it at the same point in its life that I gave up on gta 5. Imagine if gta online ended with the heist updates, or even before then? Nobody would be playing it a year later, much less 8 years later. Rdr online was filled with people almost begging R* to add ANYTHING that was worth paying money for, but they never did. The way they failed with rdr online is baffling. They needed to do so little to bring players back, but they did absolutely nothing. Gta online is profitable because they put in the effort to make it profitable, and rdr online isn't profitable because they refused to add anything, or even fix things (the timer based mission rewards basically killed the game on its own). Rdr online died because R* didn't put 1/10 of the effort into it as gta online. They left money on the table that people were begging to give them if only they offered a single thing worth paying for.
@@restitvtororbis5330 They stopped putting resources into rdr2 online because the same amount of money they put into it would have made them more if they put that money into gta online. They abandoned the project because the profit margin wasn't equal to that of gta's at the exact point in time. Pair this with the lower player count due to slower pacing and red dead was doomed to fail because of the existence of gta online. Read dead was never allowed to succeed due to the success of grand theft auto and never will, and I suspect that gta6 will snuff any other projects out should they have multi-player because gta6 online will likely be extremely profitable for them unless they ruin it with predatory monetization which I wouldn't put it past the company.
TLDR dead game lol + gta online killed it
The single player story is by far the most immersive game still to this day. it's actually crazy how empty the online feels
In teh single player after you finish eh story it's all empty and boring, Mexico was never implemented, Guarma was cut down to 1 chapter, there was so much to do like import export, take over Guarma by regime change etc...
I logged into read dead online 4 times total then gave up
The entire multiplayer experience is either griefing people or doing gtav contact missions adapted into rdr
Idk what it is but lately when Ive tried to get on the lobbies have been friendlier. Rode by multiple groups while delivering a full wagon of supplies and each time I was left alone or escorted and helped
@@CJ2808I don't know about that my friends and I recently logged in a few days ago and has soon as we entered valentine we were shot at by 3 griefers that were using the cards that made it impossible to lock on to them that's not even the worst part after a few minutes another player joined them using the same tactics we weren't using anything like that after about 15 minutes it became 3 v 16 all 16 were griefers doing the same thing unless Rockstar does something to stop griefers or make it a more even playing field I doubt we'll be back on it
For context we are only rank 18 39 108
All of the others against us were above 400 basically they have no life
You guys never experienced it. It takes time but game opens up around level 100
@@PCgamerChannelno one is gonna play 90 hours of absolute trash content, just to get to _somewhat okay_ content kid, if I wanna watch waste my time on an online game that doesnt respect me, I'd rather play war thunder, atleast the torture gives you something, rather then 0.00000002 of a gold bar.
No brothels, train robbing, wagon selling, house building, gang fights, fighting for money, down folk brawls.
'If it doesn't bring it millions with no effort then it ain't worth not abandoning' is probably a motto at moden R*
I think I'm one of the only people that genuinely likes RDO. I was stoked to hunt and fish while travelling the world on my horse and experiencing nature. I only wished that we could interact with *everything* in the world as a way to RP. Going through every door in towns, talking to NPCs, being able to sit in abandoned homes in the wilderness while waiting for a storm to pass, even hearing our character talk to others or in cutscenes. If they had made it a sandbox with a private lobby option, I'd never leave lol
Train robberies, bank heists, a lawman role, there’s an indian reservation in the north for some good old cowboys and indians. The possibilities for this game were endless and yet R⭐️ preferred the flying car!
That's a great point, think about getting paid to do jailbreaks from the prison too. That could be awesome
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Clever
I played Red Dead Online, i LOVED it, until i ran out of things to do, and didn't want to grind spend money to access more activities.
So that was it.
My favorite memory of the game was when my brother and I loaded up a cart full of animal pelts, and i had to guard him and the haul as we traversed an extremely treacherous snowy mountain plateau to sell them at the nearest town.
That was awesome, but it was unfortunately the peak.
Welp, GTA online is basically that
@@christinesulyvahn6043 It is, but there's way more to do in GTA outside of the ridiculously expensive shit, not to mention, GTA online has no premium currency, you can acquire everything just through cash.
chiefbalupa they didnt care about this after the blood garbage update came out the reason the abandoned it was laziness and they didnt care about the game and if u still play it now it proves that u still care about it
@@stuarthough8440 no, I haven't played it in years, and I only spent 39 hours in it.
I was exactly the same, you're meant to entice me to play your game and make me want to spend money out of enjoyment, not bore me into spending money. Never spent a dime on the game and feel bad for people that still play it, god forbid you still actually spend money on this.
its sad dude i loved this game but they gave us nothing to do at a point
eventually they wanted to make content that took very little effort
07:23 One misconception in the video script: "more content" does not add depth to a game. More content just adds "width". New mechanics are what adds depth to a game.
Exactly. Im seeing some of these comments saying they wish they added houses to buy and while I agree, we cant act like that in and of itself wouldnt just be 5 minutes of "ooohh, ahhhh" before realizing you still have nothing to do. You have to actually add stuff to do
I wish they added the mechanic to rob pedestrians/trains/coaches and shops, just like how you do in single player, being an outlaw with a bounty in RDO is all I wanna do but it’s impossible to make money being an outlaw with a bounty as it stands
Rockstar f'ed up hard. I loved RDO because it was laid back and chill. I could have a long day at work and just come home and hunt NPCs, farm maps, or mess with other players. Heck, sitting in the taverns and starting a war with the cops was fun, especially when players came to end your spree.
Rockstar failed the players
I feel like the rdo community itself is partially to blame for rockstar abandoning rdo. Back when they were still updating the game with things like roles and the capitale system and trying to make money from it, they faced heavy backlash for everything they did. People complained about all the roles and missions being lame and accused rockstar of being greedy for trying to turn a profit. People need to realize that rockstar is a massive business, of course profit is their primary concern. And when you mostly have people who aren't spending money and who just complain whenever you try to appease them, you eventually stop trying. Granted rockstar was greedy and did fck up big time. They went into rdo as if it already had an established consumer base like gtao, but you have to cultivate a community before you can milk it like that. It's obvious that they broke the economy beyond salvation then gave up pretty quickly, they couldn't even be bothered to finish the story missions plot.
@@stonecoldsteveaustin9353 The woman incharge of RDO had HUGE plans! Ownable properties, horse breaking, wagon fence ! U name it!!! But upper management was more concerned with GTA. How does the most lame GTA stay relevant for 10 yrs? Because these kids haven't played any other? Maybe.. But its baffling..
Things that should be available in RDO
1. Taming and selling wild horses. (The mechanics are already in the game and why they refused this option is beyond me.)
2. Gun running with Irish.
3. Tonic selling with Wes Dickens.
4. Saloon ownership
5. Pit Fighting/Street Boxing
6. Quick Draw tournaments
7. Bank/Train Heists
8. Variant Horses (If you're not going to give us Undead Nightmare 2 at least let us ride the four horses of the apocalypse. Add in a pegasus, a unicorn, and a Nightmare you have dlc for days
whenever rockstar tried to get me to grind so much its insane, i just used free tool to give myself millions
You must be so proud of yourself.
@@John-mn9rpBlame rockstar for their greed and shitty economy in their games
@keithmontgomery9741 Sure, it's Rockstars fault you suck.
Their biggest mistake was nerfing the reward mechanics. This killed the game, in my humble opinion.
That's when i stopped playing daily.. Best game ever! (RDR2) Killed to save 1 of the WORST (GTA 5)
I’d argue the grind was WAY better in RDO than it was in GTAO BC while it was harder to earn large amounts of money, all the items in game were actually affordable and realistically achievable without going through pure misery as is the case with GTAO.
Yeah... I'm gonna say GTA is easier to earn money. Plus anything cool in rdo cost gold anyway. The gold grind is stupid time consuming, which wouldn't be bad if you didn't have to do the same 3 missions for 6 hours.
@@trustworthydan I disagree BC everything is realistically cheaper while a dumpster fire car in GTAO cost millions. Gold I can’t argue against but I earned a lot early on in the Beta before the nerfs so it was never an issue for me. Missions were more entertaining IMO BC the AI wasn’t godly unlike GTAO’s AI who could shoot you through cover. Also unlike GTAO there were more passive ways of making money without having to be forced into PVP.
@@averagechadlegionary5824You just reminded me of forgotten awful memories of me grinding the 10 waves mode from GTA Online when you brought up enemies being able to shoot through walls. So many times I died to that bullshit. I completely forgot about that.
It was way easier to get money in gta tho… I could make 2-5 mil in a couple hours
@@squintohighlights And basically spend it all on a single item.. It’s not hard to make money in RDO, it’s actually easier BC you aren’t forced to deal with PvP players while completing your role missions and BC the grind is ultimately WAY fairer. GTAO rips you off and forces you to play multiple extremely annoying setups before hand. Oh and that’s not even including the BS enemy AI that can cheat and shoot you through cover amongst other things. GTAO is designed to be as inconvenient and annoying as possible to make money.. Why? To incentivize shark card purchases from the whales.
Red Dead Online is very fun when I play it. The only time I get bored of it is when I can't find any players to interact with or can't play the game due to hackers.
i cant play the game because missions break and i get disconnected from the servers after
end 2019 and begin of 2020 were gold era for rdo. then it died, forever
100% game died after the naturalist update
It's crazy to think rdr2 is over 5 years old
@@myoak108 True, Dawg. True.
i really think that if they had just added more "stuff" that people could actually use more people would have stayed. not just businesses but i suppose it would take more creativity to make more content for a game set in 1899 rather than just making another flying shit car for their gta behemoth.
i mean they could have added some sort of steam boat for god sake, could have ventured deeper into the oceans or guarma as somewhere you could go
also, the players of rdo were alot more mature than gtao players. in 240ish levels i always played with people over the age of 24 while in gtao its very common to meet literally toddlers. now, who have the money to spend ? off course not toddlers. but who will think twice before spending money on a online game currency? off course not toddlers.
The 1899 setting can easily be bypassed seeing as how GTA Online literally has flying cars. Did that exist in the year 2013? Absolutely not. Still doesn’t.
Also, they don’t have to look very far to make content for Red Dead Online. Rockstar’s problem is they only focused on monetizing the mode as opposed to make it fun. I’ve got a ton of ideas myself on more content they could have added:
-Imagine they added 1911 cars in Red Dead Online which you could customize and drive around the open world. It would be like horses except it’s a single purchasable vehicle. They could even coexist alongside the Horse Race game mode, instead being a Car Race game mode you could play against other players.
-Improve the hot air balloon from story mode so that it can be fully controlled in Online without having to worry about wind direction. It would be a slow vehicle to kick off but could travel extremely fast eventually once it took off. Also, it would be a lot of fun if you were able to get one or two other posse members sitting inside with you.
-Add a purchasable maxim gun chariot. Plain and simple. We already see a few in single player and adds to the criminal fantasy. This would also be incredibly useful to have if you’re a player that does the long distance trader deliveries. Two of your buddies could back you up by following you with a maxim gun.
-Train and bank robbery missions. This would be very similar to GTA Online’s version where you have to complete setup missions before finally being able to launch the final heist with a crew and would have served as the best way to earn money.
-Add a Rancher role where you can buy your own property, grow your own crop and cattle which could either be planted for yourself (like collecting carrots or any other type of plants) or be used alongside the Trader role as an additional way to increase the Materials bar by selling off chicken eggs or milk to a nearby town.
-Make an Undead Nightmare Online Event for Halloween where hordes of zombies have taken over random parts of the map which players can get rid of for experience and a special currency exclusive to that event that can be used to purchase unique clothing fitting the theme of the event.
-Finish Mexico and add the RDR1 map of Mexico as a fully explorable area with brand new story missions, random events and free roam missions.
-Add new types of telegram missions and free roam events.
There’s so many things Rockstar could have done before dropping support on the game, but they focused on greed instead of pure fun which ruined the experience for everyone.
@@alexmichaluk6247Also yeah, they could easily have added purchasable boats and even a Fisherman addition to the Naturalist role to go alongside their fishing mechanics (which aren’t even used for anything in Online)
If the gold reward for missions could be fixed by adding a single "-" to the code, just reverse how the timer works
It died because players weren't buying gold bars when they were doing updates. It's hard to believe, but it's the truth. Players weren't buying gold bars = canceled support.
I bought like 40$ worth of gold bars & never received anything no matter how far I got, lesson learned tho. 😢
The game didn't die. Rockstar murdered it.
I think a humongous step in the right path would be giving the players the opportunities to buy properties such as cattle farms, normal crop farms, Tobacco businesses, private dwellings, maybe your own hotel but I think we all really just want to own properties. Further in the path or at the very start I really want to see an fps update for consoles especially next gen, we need more things to spend money on as you've said, there's maybe 5/6 things to spend your money on and it's just terrible.
They can add like I said properties, wagons, boats, (Hot air balloon?) , a merry weather like service (bodyguards), pets which might come with homes, furniture (properties), features in the properties, more open world missions like stage coach robberies, very populated trains carrying wealthy people with high security, etc.
Without a doubt the time period the game is set in limits what the player can really do or buy to be completely fair.
great ideas!
Thank you, I just noticed I put "Tabasco
" instead of tabaco lmao@@robokast
@robokast That aren't going to happen.
they should make the game playable first. dozens of game breaking bugs every time i play and i get disconnected after
@@Havox-Still not right, it's tobacco.
A game is supposed to be fun, not tedious. A game is supposed to provide escapism, not reality. A game is supposed to feel like freedom, not restriction. Modders and glitches happen because these principles aren't followed. Communities make games better because the devs won't give a player freedom or make a world, in-game, that is accessible for creative control. Rockstar has policed the hell out of GTA V so much so, that I have no hope for it's next instalment. Just let the player have fun.
Rockstar needs to read this!
@@auburn.JoaoDuarte Unfortunately I retired from gaming age at 24 because the industry as a whole, went against many of MY standards, as to what a games should be like. I started to lose faith in releases that had such potential, RD2 was one of them. Awesome campaign, but awful multiplayer. No sense of adventure, reward or community. Those who stayed for updates I respect for remaining hopeful, but the updates themselves just felt like damage control. Forced, out of place and lack luster content. the game was also over shadowed by a frustrating economy and "OF COURSE!" Microtransactions.
The day they came up with two different Bounty Hunter jobs that you can only do with two different types of buyable in game currency was the day I knew RDO was never going to amount to anything.
Also, what's crazy is we're only 4 years away from RDR2 being a *decade* old.
They wanted it to die on purpose. It’s obvious.
I personally loved RDO. Something about it was very immersive and I enjoyed just listening to music and hunting with me and a friend of mine. As weird as this sounds I never used any online map, this game was the first time in a LONG TIME where I actually felt like exploring an open world by myself. I played the RDO standalone before buying the singleplayer so exploring the map online was obviously something fresh for me. However I never played RedM, I want to try it someday though.
You are nuts if you skipped the story for RDO which is a shadow of the single player game.
@@thatsreelcreative the story was very short, if I had a bar I think out of my over 200 hours, the first 4 hours was the story so it’s something I barely remember 😬
@@soulace_ the story wasn't short at all lol. wtf
@@thatsreelcreative man this was ages ago, the most of my hours was after I finished the story so I only remember it in increments
@@soulace_ It's okay if you haven't played the story, it sounds like you haven't. Well actually not playing the Red Dead story should be a crime. but it's probably one of the greatest video game stories of all time
I still play online... and trust me so do many others. I love to hunt and fish, and since it takes place prior to the campaign, considering Sean McGuire is in the online portion, which means, Arthur is still around somewhere...not to mention people now a days are doing 20 things at once...I can do a legendary bounty hunt, wait the 30 minutes. Cause anything less than legendary won't allow 30 minutes...less than. And that's a misconception...not all bounties have to take 30 minutes. The hunting you get more than just skin...the only fall flat is the online story, it has about 8 missions maybe? But the blood money trying to earn "capitale" which is a poor man's version of Bronte from the campaign cause. Since there has been no update, the online "story " won't continue...which sucks...but other than that...I can do outlaw or lawful without worrying about the outcome of my character 😂😂
Starting replaying my ps4 disk on ps5 and started online over, it’s actually pretty fun at first until you literally run out of things to buy, it’s feels so unfinished , it feels like if gta online stopped right before its first heist update
for me the best time in the game was just after the new frontiers update. having those three jobs added as well as the camp. that was the peak. my friends and i played the game until 3 am some nights. that was the best time i had in online games.
They should allow you to own establishments. A saloon, hotel, brothel? Hell! Maybe even a farm. OR! Even your own train or stagecoach! How cool wouldn't that have been?
RDO and how Rockstar handled it has caused me to completely ignore any of their games further. I don't give money to stupid people... Not willingly, anyway.
I hadn't touched this game for probably 6 years. Then I loged on again around Christmas and loved it. There is stuff to do now.
Stopped at 5:30 to talk about the delay of mission payout.
Basically, the game has an issue with hackers. The delayed payout prevents hackers from inta completing quests. From what I can tell, GTO and RDO both have hacker issues and can't seem to fix it. Which is a shame because I loved RDO.
5:28 Rockstar's entire business model.
Tried playing this recently only to deal with hackers telaporting me into some friggen bathroom with a gattling gun to my face. Can't even hunt or fish without dealing with this, same with bounty hunting.
I'm glad I don't even play Online games/modes. I'll just stay with the outstanding Story Mode for Red Dead Redemption II.
I feel like the time period RDO was set in really limited what they could do with it. Like, not having cars and motorcycles was a big limiting factor in terms of new content R* could add to the game. Boats were a thing though, so they could've done more with them. Maybe they could've added purchasable boats and a business where you had to use them to transport product to buyers.
I don't know. The time period of GTA 5 didn't stop them from adding stuff that didn't fit either.
They could've let us breed horses together on our own ranch and make our own customized horse. Customizable wagons, trains, etc.
Every second game I join has a hacker in it wrecking the experience for everyone. The worst part is I can't select solo play.
Virtually my entire channel is devoted to OUTING these griefer and hacker scumbags. I have contacted RSG repeatedly about it and what have they done? Fuck all.
@@avengingterrier3244 so terrier was your horse?
It died because of grievers who use aim bot (Cronus) and kill you until you give up and leave the lobby. And they kill your horse too. Every time.
Obviously the problem comes from Rockstar, but in my opinion, the fans that continued to fall for their lies didn’t help the issue either. If people gathered and boycotted the game by not playing, Rockstar might’ve put some actual effort into an update to try and bring back players, maybe learning from that lesson and dedicating proper resources to Red Dead Online.
But because people didn’t do that, and instead let themselves get fooled by Rockstar “promising to update the game” MULTIPLE TIMES, only to be followed by small additions and fixes, Rockstar was allowed to coast by, continuing to do this. There have been precedents of online games being boycotted and in turn ending up better after, yet not enough people in the RDO community had the thought to do this, which only exacerbated the issues since they let Rockstar do as they liked.
And on the off chance that if they did that, Rockstar instead shut down the online servers, then everyone would’ve had concrete proof of how far the company would’ve had to retain their player base and keep their game alive.
So yes, the state of Red Dead Online is without a doubt the fault of Rockstar’s management of the game, but the naïveté and laziness of the players in allowing them to do this was the nail in the coffin. (And yes, I do realize that player threats shouldn’t be the factor that spurs a video game company to update their multiplayer game, but in a scenario like this, it’s the only thing that would’ve worked).
Tldr: Rockstar figured theres only a handul of thngs you can monetize on a 1800's western era centered in a wilderness in contrast to the illusion of rpg provided by mateialism of GTA 👀
All the while, us campaign players wanted at least one campaign DLC akin to Undead Nightmare. I really hope after the flop of RDO, when we get RDR3, we get additional campaign content DLC. Considering that was the one thing they didn’t try doing.
I still play, I have three created characters. from level 50 to 417..I am older so I just enjoy riding around
People say this but it’s not dead…. Every time I get on the game it’s almost a full lobby, tons of people play the game still
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I figured I haven't played RD online in 2 years but I used to play almost everyday when I had time. People said it was dead back then but people still played I just hate that Rockstar could have so much with it on the contrary to the story. The shootout against other players were entertaining well if they weren't cheating that is🤣 Such a shame I'm still going to keep back into online IDC if there's no new content anymore.
Died because they never added bank robberies or train robbery/ property to buy also abandoned the story
Used to play this alot with my friends in lock down I loved it from the second I start playing and it was sad to see it die, it had so much potential
i want to play with a friend but we both get disconnected in
Could of done Train & Bank Robberies (like GTA Heists), added a zombie mode, used the Mexico Part of the map, a Farming/Cattling update, added a Hot Air Balloon function to go over the map. More Story missions etc, But no, all the focus went on GTA. Its a shame because the graphics are still really good.
Imagine we got a at least half length online story compared to the story mode
REO, in a way, reminds me of Kill Bill and the Last Air-bender. These movies stopped in the middle of the story. Both stories left at least two or three more people to kill or tasks to complete. With Kill Bill, we got volume 2, which completed the story. However, as seen with the Last Air-bender - as is true with RDO - we never got to complete the story! This is a HUGE issue.
Add to this never ending hope an update will come along to give us closure... only leading to disillusionment and a feeling of being abandoned. But the cherry on top of disappointment mountain is the toxicity of the online game.
You merely want to do your own thing? You want to go hunt a deer and not bother anyone? Good luck with that, because some toxic a-hole will go out of his way to hunt and kill your horse... before spawn camping you!
What the should have done is bring Mexico into the game as a expansion , and make the towns more lively I would roll into some of these towns and there’s hardly any life in the town it looked deserted.
it died because the original RDO was better and they didnt replicate any of its original features. Remember gang wars in gta online. In RDO1 thats how the best weapons were obtained. There was a dueling mechanic for pvp. It had a lvl/prestige system that gave you exotic mounts.
RDO2 had none of those features and those were really popular mechanics.
RDO2 had so many game breaking bugs that it had me take breaks between updates just to wait for fixes. It didnt affect their profits, just my time. I can't tell you how many sales of moonshiner carts I lost to black infinite loading screens.
There were no properties to own, just a minimally customizable camp. The customizable features capped after the bounty/trader/collector update. Wheres my naturalist camp items? Wheres my capital or legendary animal pelt / taxidermy decorations? Only two wagons available and the only thing that was possible to change about them was color. You can't buy wagon tack for your horse, you've gotta use some strange horse you're not bonded with that is slow and lame. Selling is as slow as gta onlines brown boxville postman vehicle. Id like to fit my wagon for different weather types. Give it more uniqueness. Only your character has that ability with the trinkets. My horse doesn't either. I can put a mask and a new horn on the saddle. Its minimal. GTA has so much customizable features for their transportation, but my horse... saddle bag, Nacogdoches saddle, shoehorn, braids, mustache, mask, lantern. Not much else. The saddles didnt really improve beyond the 1st update.
RDO2 Story... what story. I didnt finish it because it required more than 2 people. to play. And it doesnt seem to apply to anything, as people dont seem to have any advantages to completing it.
That shutter sound though....
I love this game. Rockstar failed it which is pretty hard to forgive.
There was a missed opportunity, they didn’t add heists, like group train robberies, casino heists, cattle drives where you have to drive cattle and fend off bandits, I had so many ideas that I figured someone at rockstar surely was smart enough to come up with the same ideas
I wish Rockstar would have gave RDR online more content and features. I guess the game devs just got lazy.
I mean seriously how hard would it have been for them to just add some freaking bank heists!!!
I paid less than $17 for it and got 100+ hours of enjoyment from it.
RDR2 shouldn't have gone online imo. The original Red Dead online was empty despite having enough activities to do so I was surprised that so many people had these expectations because of GTAO. Let alone we've experienced how much of a grind it is on GTAO. RDR content couldn't really go past anything within its time period and GTAO, which is a debate, can expand and experiment with content that's more futuristic, so RDR was restricted from the start.
Some games shouldn't have an online mode and I think Red Dead is one of them.
So much potential but greediness and laziness by Rockstar killed it. I still like playing but it gets boring and tedious quick
I think people forget that the pandemic also affected the game developers and the industry as a whole. We are barely starting to see AAA releases again that aren't complete failures due to devs actually being able to work again.
I play RDO religiously. Honestly, I think it’s great. There’s a lot more to do than the story mode imo. After you finish the story, there’s only fishing. But in RDO, you can find modders blowing up towns, you can have infinite bounty hunts unlike the limited ones in RDR2, hunt legendary animals, have a moon shining and trader business, etc.
Still play it today, but it's my friend's that make it worth while. Without them I wouldn't bother.
This hit close to home. I hardly get on unless I'm buying a new coat or something. I get on only to help my friend who's a low level, even he said he wouldn't play unless he knew I was going to.
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I think a pretty big factor in why the handling of rdo feels so lackluster is that rockstar messed up the monetization. Like you pointed out there's not enough things to spend money on but it was also too easy to earn gold with endless daily streaks. If Rockstar made gold slower to earn they would have more financial incentive to keep supporting the game. When you already have a large portion of the playerbase with more gold than they can ever spend it does not make sense to invest a lot of resources into new content. Especially if your company's other project is GTA online, one of the most profitable products of all time.
I'm sure Rockstar had an idea of where to go with the game. The Heist gameplay from gta online would translate perfectly and there are at least a dozen more themed role updates that they could've gone with. If they made undead nightmare 2 it would also have given them lots of opportunities to sell overpriced vehicles, mounts and guns with new functions that players would pay a lot for. They probably had big plans for RDO and a pretty clear idea of where to go with it. They just struggled with adding content in a timely matter like GTA online initially, gave out too much gold and failed to keep a big portion of the playerbase interested. From an investment standpoint it probably did not make much sense to them to spend time and money to revive a dying game (that had lost a gigantic amount of microtransaction potential due to daily gold payouts) when they already had the most succesfull game of all time going on with the next entry on the way. If GTA Online did not exist, I'm 100% sure RDO would've gotten the attention it deserved.
TL;DR: Rockstar messed up the monetization by giving out too much gold and too little to spend on, couldn't manage to get meaningfull updates out in time to keep players interested and the game's earning potential was never going to come remotely close to GTA online. So they did the bare minimum and called it a day.
I must give credit where credit is due for one thing when it comes to Red Dead online. It had a way better anti griefing system in GTA ever did.
now, imagine having all RDO missions and content as a single player DLC, imagine having the opportunity to tap in any one of those missions (they were pretty awesome) when you want and play them because its single player. all this online content is virtually lost soon as the MP dies, servers will eventually go down - we already know
Maybe there are mods adding those things to singleplayer.
@@ninochaosdrache3189the mods that exist are relatively bare bones, and typically don't work together well. Especially whyems dlc and the myriad of files you need just for that. All whyems does is unlock the weapons they added to online and unlock some of the clothing for purchase.
What I would have preferred is some singleplayer content. Undead Nightmare 2 and/or a Sadie DLC.
What also really killed RDO was the playable character being a fcking mute, that never works out for a playable character for alot reasons and only a select few games ever produced have pulled it off.
we get one of these vids every year lmaoo. Congrats on being the first one I've seen this year🌮
Then theres the hackers i haven't joined a single server where i dont get immediately murdered by some hacker :/
One word: MONEY! Or, if you prefer: GREED!
A slightly longer explanation, but brief enough to cover the whole thing: “We only have enough people to work on the GTA money printing machine, or the Red Dead, slightly less popular, money printing machine. We could expand a dedicated staff, but we’ll have to lay them off eventually. Or we could just focus on being lazy whilst making boatloads of MONEY from GTA.” A potential, probable quote from Take Two Interactive.
Just don’t blame Rockstar. It’s Take Two who makes all these decisions.
The Muskie glitch is what probably saved this game for me compared to others who probably played it less since I was able to quickly make a few thousand with it which was more than enough to purchase the best items in the game
Rockstar abandoning it, so much potential..
Rockstar needs to do 3 simple things to fix the game significantly.
1: Fix the security issue.
As many of you might know RDO is Peer to Peer connection.This means that anyone can see your IP, hack your router, crash your game etc.
As far as I know many people that quit are afraid that something bad is going to happen.
2: Make the game more western and accurate
I am sure what you did when you first joined RDO was trying to rob a store or a train but was left disappointed. First impressions are everything,so giving your game what players expect first is going to boost the long time players a lot
3: Fix the economy... I don't have to explain this one
I had my issues with RDO but I still loved it, and could see so much potential for it. Definitely not to compete with GTAO but to at least stand beside it.
R* chose to be spineless cowards rather than put in any semblance of effort.
Evertime they updated, it broke half of the game. I remember when the animals would just quit spawning. And then all of the missions would have have some kind of bug that prevented you from being able to complete it and then you ended up wasting alot of time . Exploration was fun tho
Knowing the online aspects of the game are dead, I wish they would cut the cost of everything to at least half so those who still somewhat enjoy playing every once in a while can continue without still grinding (if possible with the modders and game breaking glitches that happen now)
What we need is a single player DLC. That alone would get people back into the game and in turn, also online.
I still don't understand why we didn't receive a Undead Nightmare 2! Like, How can they miss that big of opportunity. I'm really speechless on that one 😮
You covered a huge majority of why it died, plus with people being able to hack/mod there way into public lobbies didn't help either.
I've always wanted something like a ranch or homestead we can buy and put our horses that we aren't using in a nice big pasture. Then you could hire a stable hand to take care of the place while you're away, you could have cattle and all sorts of animals that would make predators come after them so you have to defend your home. You could have npc cattle rustlers try to steal your herd of cows, ect.
There's so much they could've done and would have made tons of money. But that's rockstar for ya. I still play but it's not often.
It's like they saw GTA Online and noticed how much effort they would need to do... and simply gave up half-way in and abandoned the entire thing.
There's simply not much you can add to a cowboy game compared to a game set in the modern day. You don't have tons of new weapons you can buy, you don't have new cars and planes. You're stuck with period-accurate weapons and horses as your most advanced mode of transportation.
That's my opinion on why RDO failed.
You don;t need more weapons but new logics: saloon, farms, import exports, overturning Guarma etc... it has to evolve into some sort of fair monoply, as fair as monopolies can go.
I actually played a lot of the first Red Dead Redemption Online, so the emptiness of Online 2 was so baffling. The whole thing was just this awkward gold farming simulator where Take Two held every aspect of the game hostage behind their microtransaction currency. I'm genuinely amazed that the game I quit in 2018 remained just as horrible all the way to 2024
The wasted potential and treatment of Red Dead Online is the most legitimate reason you could have for hating Rockstar Games.
didn’t the updates that they released for online literally break some parts of the story mode and practically broke johns entire outfit and everything? i’ve heard something about that but never found out if it was the case. i just wish this games online got more love than it did and they fixed everything that was broken
Feels like your dancing around the actual issue: Rockstar couldn't/didn't figure out how to monetize red dead online to the same degree as gta online.
It failed because Rockstar acted like Dutch
"We need, more *money!"*
No, please stop, you could build something really good here if you just are satisfied with what we have.
"Just follow our plan and have some goddamn faith!" **More essentials that require currency you can only buy with real cash or by spending an ungodly amount of time**
Since it's just the same map as the base game, if online ever shuts fown, I hope you can still access it. The best part of it is playing it as a hunting sim with my created character.
Hate being reminded they just abandoned it. I had tons of fun up until about the point moonshine showed up. By then the animals were scarce and the problem wasn’t fixed for months. I stopped playing for that reason and also constantly getting blown up in saloons by dynamite arrows. Get blown up then the person runs to the fast travel post and vanishes with no ability to track them for payback.