Why Saints Row Failed
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- Опубликовано: 16 апр 2024
- Saints Row was the only real GTA competitor on the market, with the developers having four solid Saints Row games under the belt. After a slow decline in reception, they decided to try something fresh with Saints Row 2022. This new project would end up destroying their entire company...
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Also your analysis is really good. Never been a fan of the series, but I played the first one as a kid and kinda enjoyed it. Sad to see it fail, but that's what happens when a game loses its soul.
@@AlinPrisecaru Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video :)
Also agree that GOG is gud and actually owning your games is gud too
I totally agree with actually owning your games but I couldn’t find any games I am wanting to buy
I really thought you were going to mention the stop killing games campaign at 7:40, specially since you mentioned The Crew.
Crazy how they could've just remastered SR 1 & 2 and had many successful years of joyful gamers, instead they made zoomer gangsters
They should have tried that first before the reboot. The reboot was supposed to be similar to SR2 but something happened along the way.
@@nicetomato7573that "something" is idiotic investors and ESG, and pandering to a "modern audience" that doesn't exist, and never will
Creating boss as attractive white guy seems negate the 'zoomer gangster' trope. You will definitely feel that way if you play as the default boss. That look 🙄🙄
It has been like that since the thurd
Ion know if ya heard of da bioshock remaster but safe to say was gon be worse
Saints Row 2 is still one of my favorite games of all time. Shame how the series ended
It is a shame, But completely unsurprising. The woke crusaders are trying to go after every single game/game franchise out there, So at the end of the day the best thing to do is just to stick to the older games in my opinion.
Ever since they've been pushing woke messages in video games I've been focusing on older games and I've really been enjoying either revisiting the older games that I grew up with (Half Life, Portal, Team Fortress, Bioshock) or visiting older games that I haven't played but have high praise.
Nah it was awesome, we take over city n we make it bleed purple, das whatchu say
It wasn’t creative, it wasn’t unique, it definitely didn’t try to push any boundaries gameplay or comedy wise. It didn’t know what it wanted to be. It had nothing the old games had
it tried to appeal to a new market and it failed miserably. The kind of people who play Saints Row game are NOT interested in DEI or P.C. or any other woke crap.
@@Shorty_LickensIf you unironically use the term "woke" please touch grass.
@@Moji55a
Aww does that trigger you?
@@Moji55aSomeone's triggered
@@Moji55awhy? does it make you mad? you must be from twitter
It's clear you put a lot of time into researching this one, but MAN those bright shutter flashes gotta go
Fr it's getting annoying
Let's be real the saints row reboot appealed to no original fans regardless if they preferred old saints row 1 & 2 or fans of sr3 & 4
It kills me inside, cause apparently they wanted to do like a 70 30 split, of saints row 2 and 3, SR2 story and feel, with SR3 over the top set pieces. Which is perfect for me cause I think 2 and 3 are the best in the series.
Thats what I have been saying the entire fanbase was unhappy
I remember the representative or whatever u call them was literally on twitter arguing with everybody and getting mad at the fans because the fans hated the direction the reboot was going in and pretty much told the fans to fuck off….and they did.. fucked off so bad the company had to close its doors 😅
@@Theshen.she called us terrorist bro
Can't get jiggy with it. Played the beginning about 5 times. Each time something grabs my attention more than the game. Now it's sitting in my library. This was legit this week lmao
"How did the parent studio go under because of one failed game?"
- It didn't. It went under because of a series of poorly managed choices. The talent that used to exist were gone, or have moved beyond their interests in the past. They then wanted to make games they wanted to create, but players didn't want to play. Lack of leadership and so on. What actually killed the studio was that the Saudi investor pulled out last second which lead to the collapse. They had mismanaged the company to the point the investor was the only hope they had.
And they treated their fans like crap. Don't forget. "Haters gonna hate."
@@MrRAGE-md5rjOh yeah. That one as well.
Just can't include everything because that should be an hour long video.
@@MrRAGE-md5rj That is nothing compared to how the community manager called the customers that dislike or criticize the game "terrorist"
@Cloud_Seeker
This comment, here. The reboot was bad, but it didn't completely destroy Volition; it just gave Embracer Group a good enough and perfectly justified reason to not keep them around.
I remember the Devs saying it gets better after a while trust us. So I thought and hoped that maybe the trailer was a miss direct, maybe after the first mission the camera pulls back and it's Shaundi playing a video game, throwing the controller saying "This sucks" or something equally as witty, but that never happened.
I didn't mind the idea of a reboot, I was even prepared for new characters, I just wasn't prepared for these characters, or the story, or the writing.
any time theres text: WOOSH click WOOOOOSH click
Now I can't unhear it.
@@KingMB_XJ_OfficialWhen someone mentions the whip-crack effect in Johnny Test
Saints Row V felt like Watchdogs 2, but no hacking and somehow worse.
You went way overboard with the click noises, wooshing logos and single word visuals. Really annoying to watch
Yeah it pissed me off lol, I could barely watch it
Overediting is unfortunately very common now. Its a way to keep attention
Agreed. Had to stop watching because it got too annoying.
Agreed. Sometimes simple is just better man.
Short answer: Cuz its a half baked potato
Cuz its a potato at room temperature
It's a beet they're trying to convince you is a potato, and if you insist it's a beet they'll go online to publicly shame you for calling them out.
Also you're a bigot.
It’s a ginger posing as a potato
short answer from my point of view: Studio did the exact opposite of what the fans wanted and when it flopped they pikachu faced
“Pikachu face” stop the cringe
@@kb9242 its true tho
@@Sharpzee can you not say shocked?
@@kb9242 no because that wouldnt trigger people XD
@@Sharpzee well congratulations on being cringey mate
I don't want a new saints row, I just want that saints row 2 official patch to finally come out
My saints row wish list
Bring Saint Row I to PC
Fix Saints Row 2 on PC and include all the Missing content/DLC
make the multiplayer work again on the old ones for local play or something like that
and after all of that lets the series rest in piece, cause we got all the best things preserved
An official port of Saints Row 1 would be dope yes, but I think you can play it through an emulator on PC rn.
RIP IdolNinja.
10:15 Didn’t know Nina Williams from Tekken guest starred in Saints Row 3 😂
LMAO
I was planning to actually watch this one (as opposed to listen to it in the background like I do with most video essays on youtube, haha) but for some reason I find the editing style in this video very jarring. I'm only 4 minutes in but the fact that every 30 seconds there is a sequence where you just show a single word at a time over a moving background while you talk is giving me a huge headache. Really unfortunate because I have some truly amazing and terrible memories playing this series and I was looking forward to seeing some nostalgic footage. 😅
Yeah, don't forget about the awful stock "camera shutter" K-SNAP sound EVERY time the scene changes, somewhere around 28 times per minute.
If you buy games you dont own them.
Meanwhile... on the pirate bay.
"if thats the case then piracy aint theft"
@@pocketinfinity6733 Excellent point.
But piracy was never theft to begin with. It's unathorised copying. Theft implies the owner is deprived the use of the item.
If your friend has a nice sandhwich, and you use a magic wand to make a copy of it so you can both eat a nice sandwhich together... You haven't stolen his, have you?
Same thing. They call it theft as propogandistic nuspeak. But it's just "unauthorised copying/sharing."
@user-ef5ug6jx5n tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny
Pirates will always justify stealing, Pirates are thieves, there's no argument to justify it
scum
please no flash cuts. cant watch rhe video at night because of this
just sleep
I thought their non existent “modern audience” was the majority? How could’ve this happened? NO ONE saw it coming! 🤣
Saints and Sleeping Dogs need to make proper comebacks at the hands of motivated and dedicated devs.
10:14 why is nina williams from tekken there
10:14 What's Nina doing there? Didn't know she could travel between worlds
I honestly would like a another game so the Saints Row IP doesn’t lay to rest with such a shit show of a video game reboot but at the same time how in the hell does one come back from such a huge disaster? Especially how cocky and arrogant the marketing team acted in the Twitter comments of fans like “haters gonna hate” and that one dev making the “Quit having fun” meme being completely tone deaf about the situation of the game.
But we can just pretend it never existed and say the series set sail to the sunset after 4. :)
remake saints row 2
@@frameratereel8531 Not happening and dont expect the people that worked at Volition to do it because they do not care and the old people have moved on.
The reboot failure has pretty much sealed the death of saint's row as a franchise
The atrocious failure and deplorable attitude of the devs and marketing team has pretty much guaranteed that the franchise won't be getting touched again
@@vallarfaxgamingI remember thinking Volition lost it when they made AOM and didn’t think it could get any worse but boy was I wrong…SR is dead at this point and it’s a shame because we told them what we wanted and then when the game failed they blamed us as the fans.
SR2 will forever be the height of the series for me.
"Contemporary", the BIGGEST red flag of any media looking for an audience.
11:00 “Appeal to Millennials”, hmm…
How old are Millennials again? 28 to 43 years old?
Zoomer doesnt know that he is a zoomer and still thinks he is milennial.
Exactly. People born from 1981 to 1996 are Millennials, so the youngest Millennials right now are 28. I get it's also a term used for woke effeminate losers who spend too much time on Twitter, but the characters in the reboot are meant to be Zoomers, like 21 to 24.
@@robertnomok9750I don’t think millennials are in their 40s yet
Volition pretty much told the fans to fuck off for wanting the old formula back and they did….so hard volition had to close its doors 😂😂😂
Should have Made sr4 and goh a movie inside the sr universe, Like Gangsters in Space in SR3 and started from there.
I miss Johnny GYATT
To me, the series died at 4.
Like what is the point in getting any cars? Your powers from the start will outdo them all.
What is the point in getting a gun? Your powers will outdo them all. From. The. Start.
Why do any of the story? Sorry to say, but no matter what you do, the end will always be the same.
In my opinion, SR4 was really good BUT it was 🤏 close to be great - like imagine if in the end it was all somehow a wild ahh trip Boss had and you return to "normal" or sum like that
Simple Volition didn’t listen to the fan base when they kept saying
“We Don’t Like It!”
“Go Woke Go Broke!”
“We kill the woke people in the first three games”
But instead Volition refused to listen and verbally abused those who voiced an opinion to them that was in no way aggressive and then Volition had the sheer nerve and audacity to demand sympathy when they effed-up.
Their downfall is the cause because they tried to impress too many people because a bunch of Karens.
We need a new True Crime game I think Activison has the money and resources to compete with GTA now.
BTW steam doesn’t take away your game if it becomes delisted that is a total lie
but they can if they want to
Tell that to people who bought games like The day before...
There's still forced refunds on steam!
@@robokast the only time they really do it is if it’s illegal, for the most part they don’t
All they have to do is make it gangster again🤦🏾♂️ why are they making it complicated.. a regular gangster saints row with a great storyline like 1 & 2 will make Og & New fans happy
It's because Saints Row IV was so bad that eveything that could come out after it couldn't change the conversation about it
Thank you for a video on Saints Row franchise. I started with 3 and loved it.
Sad how far it fell with the reboot.
Also yes I would love to see a video on the failed Agents of Mayhem game.
Basically, it was shit in every sense of the word.
saints row was a scam from the start, and i knew it was fully a scam when suddenly people got super powers and aliens popped out
Alternative Path of how Saints Row could of gotten back on its feet:
I was hoping for this to be Johnny Gat surviving during the plane flight. In alternate approach of what should have happen in after SR3, it could have went as Gat survived some how and was led to a new location because of the oceans current. These past games could just be Gat Hallucinations after finally waking up to the situation he is currently at.
During his recovery GAT heard about the news of the crew and what has happened while he was gone. I was thinking they could went with the approach and keep the roots going but in a more serious tone with the same attics it had from the beginning.
The plot could have been GAT recovered and has entered in a land that could be a gold mine. The place could be a new location, with bigger fish to catch and new rivals and bigger opportunities. This was some thing I thought could of happened to bring the crew back to its core and having its roots combined with the name game play mechanics but keep it in a fresh nostalgic feel of how SR2 was and ride that.
Saints row is a duology, thrid game was cancelled dats it. Nothin else matters
They could just play it off as it was all a weird dream and continue on from saints row 2 (ignoring the reboot since it's not connected)
please go ahead and make that agents of mayhem video, would've appreciated that info being included in this one, but ad revenue is a bitch and i get that
Dude im sorry but the camera click sound transition is really annoying, maybe make it muted in the next video?
I played this game recently, the 2022 reboot, finished the story I can tell you guys, the game feels like watching a disney channel sitcom with curse words to sound edgy for teenage audiencies I guess (? Not recomended at all unless you are desperately waiting for gta 6 and already played most of the style of games tbh
Taking an edgy offensive popular satire game and make it family friendly 😂 with broken mechanics
I do recall that I enjoyed SR3 and SR4 quite well.
SR3 is just a funny game, and SR4 actually scratched that Prototype itch a bit lol.
Saints Row franchise perfectly encapsulated the typical office composition 'evolution' of most surviving dev groups today; a team, initally founded and helmed by passionate geeks and nerds(SR1, SR2), only to be taken over by corporate dudebros(SR3), until those where slowly supplanted, and killed off by hipsters(SR4,AoM,nu-SR).
I really enjoy your videos but you overdid it with the „flashbang“ cuts imo. All love tho (:
I really wish everyone in entertainment (movies, tv, games) would realize that sometimes the story is told. You don't always need a new entry in a series.
I think they intentionally killed this franchise
We need a documentary from volition themselve
We need a indie studio to make a Saints row like
One of the biggest problems I have with the reboot is that enemy gangs still spawn in claimed territory
You make a good film but then mess it up with all the click click click.
The fwoosh effects when something pops onto the screen sound like air is being blown into my headphones. This might just be a device thing, though.
If you go into this game without the expectation of the older saints row games and kind of think of it as it’s own game it’s actually fire. I don’t understand the issues people are having must just be mad it’s not like the old ones cause this game is actually amazing if you didn’t spend 70 on it and can understand how to snap your aim and press L2 and X to quick turn in your cars. People just wanted it to be like the old ones and I’m not mad about what it is. Think of it as a GTA meets Fortnite graphics but you feel like an unstoppable tank. The game is lit and there is a ton of haters for no reason
Remaster Saints Row 1 & 2 with current gen PS5/Series X/S graphics expand the map then go from there.
It's too late now.
People often use video games (As well as movies, TV shows, Et cetera.) as an escape to the issues they face (Whether that be in their own lives or in the greater world), However when you start to go after these aforementioned escapes to corrupt and try to push an agenda that people trying to escape by participating in said escape then it utterly infuriates people and causes them to either boycott your product or simply stick to playing older games (Or both, Especially).
So that is why Saints Row (And in extension all games/movies/TV shows that push a political/Leftist narrative) failed, Because people didn't want a game about some gangster Liberals who try to crusade against things they don't like and people they don't agree with.
Man the "go woke go broke" bullshit has been proven wrong time and time again what people and audiences really dislike is bad writing as opposed to leftist messages. While those things can sometimes overlap they are not the same thing. Along with that not all media needs to escapist fantasy devoid of political messaging. With games especially it's more about the level you as a player engage with those themes. You can choose to treat very political games like fallout new Vegas and bioshock as fun sci-fi action games whereas people like me choose to think about the themes and political messages, and id argue neither of these approaches are necessarily right or wrong
Bro's upset that a game couldn't help him forget that gay people exist. Lol, look man not sure why you're so upset that this one game doesn't let you "escape reality," as if there aren't hundreds of thousands of other games that allow you to do the same thing. Oh no, this game took only your own form of escapism against the scary rainbow people. Now you're gonna starve.
There are so many other "apolotical gems with no agendas" you could play instead, like Fallout, Bioshock, or Helldivers 2. Don't worry, everything will be alright in the end. ALL woke communist left-wing SBI propaganda made by jews fail miserably and make no money. Everybody knows that. That's why Baldur's Gate 3, The Last of Us: Part 2, and Insomniac's Spiderman 2 all famously collectively sold seven copies.
Well, I have a hard time feeling sympathy.
They split the fanbase with SR3 and since then, one half of the fanbase, including me, told them time and time again to go back to the roots with the 90's gang culture. And what did we get? Aliens, Hell, Agents of Mayhem and the Reboot.
i have saints row cause epic gave it out for free, never played the other games, is it worth installing and giving it a try or would it just be a waste of time?
in my opinion it’s atleast worth the shot . different strokes for different folks yknow . i personally enjoyed the first hour and a half to two hours of the story .
@@misterjjbro yess i tried it out i loved the character creation/customisation and the gameplay was okayish at the start. i didnt mind the unrealistic aspect at all, i think it could actually work quite well but idk it was a bit too goofy and gameplay became stale/boring sadly. i tried out saints row 2 and loved it just sadly its not that well optimised for pc so every 2 missions it would crash 😭😭
Hold up. I never got that dragon helicopter in the reboot
God i'm so happy im subscribed. PLEASE make a video on agents of mayhem
The first Saints Row was the most gangster one, not overly comedic or goofy. All about gangs and turf wars.
BUT... the second one was my favorite and the best in my opinion. They added so much. It was the perfect blend of comedy and action.
I loved Saints Row 2. It's a game I still like to go back and play every once in a while. I spared myself the torture of playing Saints Row 2022. I would still like to see a new Saints Row game. More so a reboot of the first two games, if that's possible. Just use the same world. Make the cities more robust, allow for more NPC interaction, accessing more buildings, newer vehicles. The game already had a good assortment of weapons.
Watson needs to have a memorial in game
idk its 2024 now but no one ever played anymore after SR2
i remember pirating sr3 and forgetting the series
Not a fan of the speedy editing, especially the moments with the one word subtitles. I'd much prefer seeing more game footage.
To be fair, Agents of Mayhem wasn't supposed to be Saints Row at first,
but Deep Silver and Sony (wanting Johnny Gat added) said otherwise.
when i got saints row for free on epic i thought fr that it was a joke
I got it free on PS Plus and remenber the game telling me how to get money and one way was drug staches, boxes on People rooftops for some reason, before this I was already pissed with the game and when I went to grab the drugs, literally 3 or 4 houses all close to one another all with the same crates models and just one was collectible. It just broke me, I unistalled it immediatly.
Bro keep going I was watching you years ago ❤
Once they did the Aliens I was like nah
This is how u fix saints row everything that happened after Johnny’s death was a dream and johnnys still alive and starts to crash out perfect story then u get saints row 3 engine and add shit that u couldn’t do new finishers new ways to climb objects n get into cars new gangs only thing they truly had to change was the shooting mechanics and update it tbh they could’ve gave us the saints row 3 engine with a new story and mechanics n we would’ve accepted it
Hopefully one day saints row will come back
For the sponsor segment, i wish you say executives instead of developers. In the end, in power dynamic, its the exccutives that make the final decision even of the developers don't like it
i guess we're really not getting that kenshi part 2, nice
they should have made it like gta online the added other gameplay modes like factions where u can create a crew with people that can fight in a battle royale mode or other pvp modes with rankings.
3 was where the loss of identity started as Lazerzz pointed out. It was about gang warfare but the characters took it seriously and at 3 they stopped taking it as seriously where the MC literally references being unkillable. This said the stakes kinda drop even after watching Gat get stabbed who later comes back in 4. That said 2 people were dying left and right. No-one except Gat and the boss truely thought they were the shit but rightfully so they were both monsters. And even then they still watch carlos and aisha get murdered. Just go watch the brotherhood cutscenes and tell me that any of the other gangs after 2 had that level of depravity. Better yet ill refer you back to LazerzZ's Saints Row Retrospective
Me playing this whole game was literally just turn off brain and shoot shit. Considering i got it for free it was fun ngl.
Did you put Nina Williams in a Saints Row poster?
Replayed SR1+2 over this last winter. Good times. SR3 wasn't terrible but they started going overboard with the goofiness I think. I really liked the gang warfare aspect of SR2; I wish they did more with it.
Great video but you should definitely call it on the flash cuts had way to many
It’s like watching a botched beheading
Until these game devs get the message to stop trying to squeeze extra money out our pockets with DLC ,loot boxes ,micro transactions only to give us little to no features and content …All these franchises can die …The more the years go buy the better the old gen games become …
Gameplay > Graphics
They got rid of Johnny Gat and millennial humour then rebooted it with gen alpha cringe crap, no cap. 😂🎉
It's funny, u know, the game that put that company on the map was the one that took it down in the end, a full circle
I still think saints row has hope just needs better writers and good developers it will be a shame to kill the franchise
Please do the video about agents of mayhem, that game had so much potential but it was a victim of deep silver greed.
How was it a victim of Deep Silver?
I'd play a remastered series of Saints Row 1-3 but as long as that don't sanitize it.
This is what happens when you have no idea what made the previous titles successful, and what those fans desired. After every project, it is important to pause and reflect on what went right. Clearly, the new game was rammed through with bad intentions and no care.
idk if saints row will ever be back but there would be massive money in it
What epic exclusivity does
When’s the next rags to riches darkrp episode dropping??
I still hate people hate the srtt, sr4 and gooh for some reason. despite they have flaws
I've never been so let down by a franchise in my life. All they had to do was make a new game similar to the 1 and 2. How they messed that up is beyond me 🤦♂
is it bad that i really enjoyed gat out of hell when i was younger
not really, because the game was made for braindead kids that never played the orginial saints row
Gat out of hell was good only because i played scatman john music in the background while playing 😂
Another video for Agents of mayhem
Not to mention the Half-Assed Shave haircut
the only saints row throw 2at should happen is a complete remaster of saints row 2
They actively spat in old players faces. The core of your audience. Really bad idea.