The fact that The Freezer is not an "another wack videogame creepypasta character" and real existing game corrupting glitch is really fascinating. Still i do not understand why devs doesn't fix that though
I can only assume that it might be an early release of Saints Row 2 that was released to disc for the 360 version. The PS3, PC/Steam/GOG, and digital copies of the game on PSN and XBM don't have this issue, only the physical 360 release has it. I'm not an expert on this phenomenon, but mrsaintsgodzilla21 has made a video years ago about the Freezer, which I highly recommend.
@@ChaseMC215he just made a new video where he is pretty sure it has to do with certain 360 hardware, like the older 360s would break from it but the newer models didnt
The Tiny Pistol was essentially an easter egg referencing the Noisy Cricket pistol from 1997's Men in Black in both the gameplay effects on the player and 'Loud Locust' being a rip on it's name
7:00 Fun fact, there's actually a huge reference to this in, of all places, Assassins Creed Syndicate. The protagonists start a gang in 1860s London to take down the other gangs. Said gang is green. 20 years later, they've been taken over by the protege of one of the main protagonists, Jack the Ripper. Now they're purple.
Dude. The count of Monte Cristo was awesome. My uncle gave me a copy when I was young and I couldn't get past the cover. Years later I read it and it blew my mind. It's not only a tale of revenge but ULTIMATE revenge. COMPLETE victory. The main character doesn't just learn how to fight. He learns how to think. He learns patience. He learns math. He learns science, language and finance. When he makes his play all the cards are his and he is ruthless.
@@sizzurpmp3 the book is much better. It's a long read though. If you do watch the movie there are two ones. The original and the remake which is okay but I have to stress the book was the best story. You really can't fit everything into a movie.
Great video, but these icebergs are missing quite a bit. 1: First of all there is no mention of the pyramid which makes me believe you were paid off by ultor (i know everyone knows about it but since the underground mall was mentioned might as well) 2: On the mountain above the pyramid there is a pond in the woods. If you search around enough you'll see a hocky mask lying on the ground with the notification "pick up bones". If you carried the hocky mask around long enough (or threw it) it would instantly turn into a human skull. It was a really creepy item that led some fans into theorizing that you could bring Jason Voorhees into the game but it was most likely just a reference that the developers threw in for fun. 3: if you wait in a boat or swim in a certain spot right by the coast of volition oasis there is a sea monster that swims through the seaweed. Its really creepy if you're not looking for it and you just happen to notice it. It spawns in the same spot every few minutes or so and swims in a straight line to dissappear back into the dark. Definitely the creepiest easter egg ive seen in saints row. 4: This ones not a big deal but in saints row 2 if you go to the saints church hideout and go to the area with all the homeless people close to the area where the zombie minigame takes place you can find half of a corpse barried in the rubble. 5: Saints row the third aslso has a secret sex dungeon. Its much smaller but you can find the dildo bat there along with a cabbit (i believe). Also in saints row 3 there are small cabbits that appear in a few other locations like image as designed. 6: In saints row 4 if you go to the bottom of one of the giant alien towers and call in the alien hovercraft you can glitch under the entire world. From there you fly to another specific point of the map (sorry im going off of my memory) and you start descending straight down into the blue abyss until every turns black, then you keep descending until you start to see your homies appear on the map. If you go down far enough you can find the ship that all the main characters use to escape near the beginning. If you go under the ship with you aircraft you can actually glitch your way on board and can even recruit the homies on board and ineract with them in ways you couldn't if you teleported to the ship (exited the simulation) like the game intended. Not sure how many people know about this one since its probably been patched by now but i always thought it was the coolest glitch in gaming.
24:31 I think the Cyrus Temple is Kenzie's father entry is a typo. Cyrus is actually implied to be Jessica's father (Maero's girlfriend from SR2) and her death is part of his motivation for hating gangs.
Cyrus does specifically reference to Jessica during his speech, fyi. The theory is simply based off on the assumption that his specific mention of her isn't casual, nor a simple reference. After all, it's not exactly known how much media coverage and attention her death got, hence it's unclear whether he's simply just referencing to it because what happened to her is very well known in-universe (a bit like Hughes' death, which is made abundantly clear is considered a big deal and widely known), or for more personal reasons.
As someone who has played the series ever since the first came out, the "Ben King Planted the Bomb" and the "Eric Gryphon" theory make lot of sense and could've gave us a truly epic storyline for Saints Row 3 with great plot twists while tying up loose ends for characters.
@@uncleblaine1433 I need to brush up on my Red Faction lore a bit more, but It’s possible that since STAG succeeded in the Kill Killbane universe, they could’ve spun off as another entity in Red Faction, so it’s definitely a possibility.
Note on the Playa's real name: Volition once mentioned on a stream that in early SR1 development, the Playa was called Mikey. Although they said they pronounced it Mickey, for some reason.
@@sizzurpmp3Btw you ever thought about the undercover cop in SR1 being named Troy as in the city that got hit by the OG trojan horse? That shit blew my mind today when I realized it😂
9:00 I have a theory about Carlos’s brother, I believe in the first church scene of the sr1 game when Lin comes out a saints member says “I didn’t know the rollerz pimped hos” and later sucker punched by Lin is him.
That’s funny me and my brother had the same theory growing up, we called that guy Carlito and head cannon that he dyed his hair red (cause in our game the guy always had a red buzz cut and dark brown sideburns) we’d usually recruit him if he ever showed up in free roam
Shaundi's death in Saints Row the Third was meant to be the canon ending when they were still planning to do the Enter The Dominatrix DLC, with Kinzie meant to be her replacement. But when that got turned into Saints Row IV, they chose the happy ending as the canonical end to SRtT. The other ending is also more in-line with the series' roots, as the "happy ending" is just them accepting their role as sellouts like Ice-T and Snoop Dogg, turning their back on Gat, and becoming joke characters who make movies (before the reboot really did that.) Also, when you make an iceberg video, you really shouldn't make half of it full of "I don't know" and "ummmm" comments, like you're admitting you just stole content from someone else. At least make it _sound_ like you did some research yourself.
Honestly the final iceberg point being where Zombie Lin and Carlos come from might make a little sense to a degree. Lin would’ve had to been fished out the river, and the blood on the dirt road, Carlos was still stuck to the truck. Absolutely no evidence for this but decent speculation
33:02 I have seen something in underground stilwater. I wasn't recording because I was on xbox 360 (which to my knowledge has no way to save clips without software) and i was only like 11 years old but I remember a distant ped spawning right next to me walking which scared the shit out of me then it turned towards me started the number 1 emote but despawned like half way through the emote and it absolutely scared me
In saints row 2 there's also a pirate skeleton behind the mega condo apartment beach which can be related to the pirate ship on the unmarked island Another easter egg is the Jason hockey mask that turns into a skull after you grab it for a while, this is near the toxic lake of mount claflin, in sr2 obv
Awesome to see more Saints Row content, especially when it's getting into the more unknown and crazy things in the series. Keep up the great work man!!
Bruh no cap the saints Row community is one of the best in gaming the reboot made us come together and appreciate what we had in the old ones like I’ve been replaying sr3 and 4 and their way better than I remember
I wish they would remaster the first 2, start over from there. or at least remaster and then drop the julius and ben king prequel. the 70’s soundtrack they could have would be amazing smh
I wish they would remaster the first 2, start over from there. or at least remaster and then drop the julius and ben king prequel. the 70’s soundtrack they could have would be amazing smh. the remaster should look like Saints Row the 3rd POWER trailer. so simple matter of fact don’t remaster it rebuild the game entirely from scratch and keep all the script and cutscenes.
The term "GTA Clone" is also used because no other open-world crime game has been able to top or overtake GTA's success. GTA V still holds the record for sales, and has yet to be beaten.
Jacques Hennequet (Dev at Volition) has his name in SR1. I think it's near Ben King's Penthouse. It's on a plaque that says he's the founder of Stilwater. I think it would be a cool inclusion in a part 2 video.
Personally what ruins and makes an "iceberg" lose it’s touch and meaning is adding a bunch of easter eggs making it a easter egg video instead of what’s supposed to be an iceberg
Yeah I’m fully aware. He left the project in the hands of another colleague of his who was helping him make the patch. The status of the entire fix is still unknown and volition refuses to give any updates.
"I didn't even know Poland had a rap scene, i thought their musical taste consisted of old folk songs and yodels or some shit" - that's the most american sentence I heard lately. Btw I have this collector's edition.
Who else remembers walking around the mall for 2 irl hours looking for a specific store, for me it was leather and lace, every time I made a new character and wanted to get my biker look without fail I’d walk by every store but not find it
One possible entry could've been the idea that Osama Bin Laden was meant to be in place of Cyrus in SR4's prologue. mrsaintsgodzilla21 did a video on it.
The funny thing is, the column with the bloody doors is right about where the original safehouse in the first game was located. Always thought that was rather odd...
My theory on the house is that the Ronin may be torturing someone who owes them money or a rival gang member. Speaking of that, one interesting thing I noticed playing FUZZ missions is that whenever there's a gang fight it's always Ronin vs Samedi, or at least I have never seen Brotherhood being involved. If that's not just my luck, makes me wonder if Brotherhood has some sort of truce or agreement of some kind with either Ronin or Samedi.
Considering that the Ronin and the Brotherhood are the most organized gangs in the game, it makes sense that they have some sort of truce going on. The Brotherhood and the Samedi are also neighboring gangs, so that might be why they're cool with each other too, which explains why the Ronin and Samedi are exclusively always at it. Nice catch on the smaller details!
For the Gryphon is Alderman Hughes theory theres even more evidence. During that DLC on one of the missions dex will call you and say "Gryphon isnt who you think he is"
9:48 when I was a kid I was convinced that there was some conspiracy about if johnny didn’t die in saints row 3 that zombie johnny gat must be an imposter and I was convinced that he was for a long time
The only reason why the freezer appears on the Xbox 360 physical copy of the game that I can think of is that the physical release was an earlier build. It's simular to what happenee to the OG Xbox version of True Crime: New York City, the version of the port was shipped with the wrong build of the game, making it glitchy as all hell and pratically impossible to finish, as the mission Human Cargo is unbeatable due to this factor.
@@saints_row_cat I have watched saintsgodzilla's video on The Freezer (which, ironically is how I was introduced to it, shoutout to him), and he said that he hasn't had the issue happen on the PS3, PC, and the Xbox 360 Marketplace versions of SR2, it seems to be the physical Xbox 360 copies of Saints Row 2 that are prone to the Freezer.
The idea of Saints Row 2 set in the 70s could have some leftovers in the final game as the gangsters outfits are not exactly modern for the 2000s in addition to the funk station and many of the Saints Row 2 cars are classic cars also the Stilwater Police SWAT and FBI are wearing dated outfits and are very similar to the Destroy all Humans 2 Police and Military which are from 1969 the SWAT van in Saints Row 2 is a 70s era van and the blue SWAT APC is actually a very old 1960s Cadillac Gage Commando finally a lot of the store music and even radio commercial themes are easy listening songs from the 60s and 70s most by Gehard Nartholtz and a lot of the pedestrian gang and police dialogue sounds like dialogue from the late 70s and early 80s because the swearing and sex was toned down from SR1 it's really interesting how the leftovers made it into the final game especially the police bike and police boat being from the 60s and 70s despite being set in modern times its really weird
23:19, Dual Katanas CAN be obtained without the use of hacks/mods/whatever You just need to get Jyunichi low on HP and if you do the Katana's charged attack (I think it has 2 different ones, but only 1 can damage Jyunichi without having to counter him) and he will sometimes drop the dual Katanas on the ground, you just need to quickly grab them before the cutscene kicks in, however these katanas won't work outside of the mission, if you try to use them on free roam it'll just make you T-Pose. Also on the Freezer we now have a pretty likely explanation by mrsaintsgodzilla21 that recently made a video on it, if you're interested you should check it out. Lastly a fun fact: In SR3 if you have multiple homies and one of them is zombie Gat, if you enter a STAG Condor, sometimes Johnny will swap weapons with a homie, and you can have Zombie Gat with an AR and some other stuff.
Stilwater uses a mix of a few other Midwest states Michigan and Minnesota seems to be the biggest of the bunch the best Saint's Row games are in Stilwater
Killing Dex in Gat out of Hell got real boring real quick. So much so that as soon as I heard him I ran the other direction so he'd despawn. There was nothing special to it, plus he's in hell meaning he's already dead so where's the satisfaction in that? Then they go about it in the laziest way. I never thought that the SR games were a grind until I played that.
For the Kinzie theory, is it because Cyrus is the one appearing in her simulation in Saints Row 4 despite the fact she barely interact with her ? I think this is the only thing to give that theory.
On saints row 2 you could get the dual katanas in free roam without the uses of mods but they turn your player into an a-pose instead of using proper animations because they were programmed for junichi
What I meant to say was “it isn’t fully functional without the use of mods”. You can obtain them sure, but they weren’t usable, not unless you were on a bike.
Fun fact Grant Albrect who voiced Crypto in Destroy all Humans voices one of the Caucasian Vice Kings members and the Caucasian Stilwater police officer in Saints Row 1 as his groans and screams were reused from Volitions Punisher game as Grant Albrect voiced the Fisk industry guards and the Fisk industry guards appear to modelled after Crypto as they are bald with shaved heads he also does his Jack Nicholson voice for his Fisk guard but he puts on this really convincing gangster voice for his Vice King character and he puts on a much higher voice for his Caucasian police officer in Saints Row 1 hes really good
12:53 POLAND MENTIONED RAAAAHHHHH, but yes we do have a pretty wide music scene, from rap/hip hop, rock, metal and its sub genres to stuff like even Polish Reggae
Correction: the Freezer has been confirmed to only ever appear in the original XBOX 360 disk versions of the game. Hence, no digital hunting of it is really possible. Which is why details of it are still largely unknown, as this glitch appears to be limited to the first XBOX version, and investigating it means to go through god knows how many disks. Little correction to my own comment for further clarifications: in theory, it might not be completely exclusive to the original XBOX disc version. But if so, it appears to be exceedingly, ridiculously rare, on other platforms. There's very few evidence of it happening outside of the 360, and some of it looks somewhat questionable, so, make of it what you will. And, if true, the very few who claim to have managed to trigger the bug on other platforms, say that the game doesn't get bricked there, only crashes. The main theory of why it appears to be either exclusively or mostly confined to the 360, being because of the 360 hardware (since the glitch appears to be either ultra rare or non existent also on digital 360 versions). So while in theory investigating it digitally might be a possibility, assuming the evidence is true, the rarity and lessened severity of it do make it much less practical and possibly not as complete.
@@sizzurpmp3 No probs! If it helps, I made a quick edit for further clarification. TL;DR being: in theory, it might not be completely exclusive to the 360, but there isn't a lot of evidence outside about it; and if true, it appears to be exceedingly rare and not as catastrophic.
Saints row is my childhood! Thank you for the great video about this game. And I know one fact about Tiny Pistol, that this pistol from the movie Man in black
The pimp slap in SR1 is very possible to get if you use a save game editor or have modded the game to spawn it in the weapon stash or gun store but however you can't unequip it and if you save the game with the pimp slap then your game is forever stuck with that pimp slap as there's no way to remove it. I made a video on my youtube channel using the pimp slap in SP but however Volition forgot to add the knockback and damage thus making it useless in SP but thankfully modders were able to fix this. Also there's an unused vehicle in Saints Row 1 called the baddog which i also made a video of. Also Saints Row 1 was suppose to have a feature to use left handed or right handed weapons but was scrapped as the game had to be rushed out the door quickly.
16:00 i’m not gonna lie, I always hoped that if five ever comes out Saints Row IV would basically just be the Playa’s fever dream or something, i’m not sure how else they would recover from the last few games lol
This should have just been called the Saints Row 2 iceberg. Jesus you’d think their was never an SR1 or 3 the way SR2 is spoken about. They really made a GOAT game with 2 and just flopped the rest of the series.
The Dual Katana's ARE obtainable without mods in SR2, I used to do it on my PS3 - they just don't work outside the mission and cause the Playa to T-Pose when you attempt to attack with them.
@@sizzurpmp3 That game had so many UFO references in it I was sure we would get it. They have a car that looks like a UFO, but it does not fly. Such a shame. Thanks for the reply and heart!
Piggybacking off the eric gryphon & richard hughes theory. Gryphon could be hughes' bastard son that he gave a job in the company. It kinda tracks, hughes was a shady guy, its not out of the realm of possibility that he'd cheat on his wife and have an illegitimate kid.
"That's like calling every first person shooter 'Doom clones'." That's actually a thing as well though, right up until the mid-2000s a lot of FPSes were called Doom clones because a lot of them were still heavily inspired by their predecessors. It wasn't till the Call of Duty and Battlefield franchises that the term became reserved for indie titles intentionally copying the style. Similarly, Saints Row kinda was a GTA clone up until the 4th entry. It had a similar UI, similar fonts, the games played and felt more similar than most modern open world games at the time.
The Freezer only exists on older Xbox 360 consoles due to hardware limitations. It was due to loading basically all of the maps at once and being in locations too close to those inaccessible maps. A digital copy also does not have this bug, as far as anyone has found.
And I think Zombie Gat is in fact a clone create by the Syndicate to show the body of Gat to the population (they say in the beginning it will be the proof that they are superior) but yeah you have this theory only because Saints Row 4 exists.
started playing sr2 again recently and someone fell on the Heron statue at Heron Hotel and it scared me, I was so confused. This video cleared that up so thank you. Kinda eerie there’s multiple suicides in the game
I’m kinda disappointed you didn’t cover the original saints row 3 entry, very interesting as it would’ve included parkour. Which I think you can find pieces of it when vaulting on obstacles and such.
Yeah, I wasn’t very satisfied with this video as I glossed over a ton of stuff. I’m planning on remaking it sometime later this year using an updated iceberg with even more entries. I’ll make sure the original SR3 gets its chance in the spotlight this time around!
I had a theory about Cyrus temple could it be possible that Jessica from saints row 2 could be Cyrus temples daughter because in sr3 he mentions Jessica about her life before the boss killed her by her own bfs car but it could be a crazy possibility that kenzie could be Jessica sister they have similar comparisons but ones dumb and ones smart in most families they have at least one smart sibling and one black sheep but it could be a possibility there is a connection
Great video. One topic I would add is the games timeline. I can't remember every detail, but user jeanpoliko made a video about the story of the series. Basically the only game that helps us track down every game and the year it takes place is SR3, but in the same video it's said how the game has a bunch of just absurd facts like deaths from the same game occurring years apart from each other according to in-game newspapers and files. I recommend that part of the video if you want to make your own take on it
There is a set of missions in Saints row 3 where you help a kid named Jimmy who spent time trying to create a clone of Gat but failled so you hunt fown a failed clone Called Jonny Tag maybe Zombie gat came from him?
I seem to recall Cyrus stating that his daughter was Jessica from saints row 2 (mareo's girlfriend) in a press conference cut sceen of saints row 3. idk where people got that he is related to kinzie.
In saints row 2 you can get infinite stamina within minutes, rather than having to find every single spray tag location.. how the heck is that a DOWNGRADE?
This isn't much of a creepy easter of so but in SR1 there are some buildings that you can hear noises coming from them, in the suburbs district in one of the house across the apartment stronghold you can hear someone watching porn as you can hear moaning in there, and in the Cecil Park section of the barrio district on the hair salon across the street of the one you can actually enter you can hear music playing inside of it. Haven't explored the other districts yet to see if there are more buildings that have this happen but might try to see if I can find more.
oh yeah the music in the hair salon only plays during the day and goes silent at night, you have to be right next to the building to hear but you can hear faint Spanish folk music playing inside.
I’ve been getting requests to do a part 2, so there very well might be. If not, I’ll probably remake this video later Down the line as I’m not satisfied with a lot of the voice overs and missing facts.
The fact that The Freezer is not an "another wack videogame creepypasta character" and real existing game corrupting glitch is really fascinating. Still i do not understand why devs doesn't fix that though
I can only assume that it might be an early release of Saints Row 2 that was released to disc for the 360 version. The PS3, PC/Steam/GOG, and digital copies of the game on PSN and XBM don't have this issue, only the physical 360 release has it. I'm not an expert on this phenomenon, but mrsaintsgodzilla21 has made a video years ago about the Freezer, which I highly recommend.
@@ChaseMC215he just made a new video where he is pretty sure it has to do with certain 360 hardware, like the older 360s would break from it but the newer models didnt
The Tiny Pistol was essentially an easter egg referencing the Noisy Cricket pistol from 1997's Men in Black in both the gameplay effects on the player and 'Loud Locust' being a rip on it's name
"I feel like I'm gonna break this damn thing!"
It was also in the third game, you break a door down in lets pretend and find it down stairs
If people didn't notice that they didn't watch MIB
@@SpicySpaceCat00The 4th game
@@MidnightClubStillCancelledSozI haven’t seen you in years
Great video, man! the disturbing lore goes deep :0
Ayo thanks flipster! coming from you it means a lot fr
There are definitely tons of unexplained horrors within the series
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7:00 Fun fact, there's actually a huge reference to this in, of all places, Assassins Creed Syndicate. The protagonists start a gang in 1860s London to take down the other gangs. Said gang is green. 20 years later, they've been taken over by the protege of one of the main protagonists, Jack the Ripper. Now they're purple.
Saints row 2 was my favorite. So many things to do, explore and I appreciated how it was the perfect balance of seriousness and goofiness.
Saints Row 2 was my first and most favorite but for what it was Saints Row 1 was pretty good
i beat saints row 2 i think about 10 times? it’s just so fun. way too fun.
Grinding respect just so that you can play the storyline missions was annoying though.
I never had that problem since I love doing the activities first
@@sizzurpmp3 I don't mind the grind if it's not *forced* upon you.
Dude. The count of Monte Cristo was awesome. My uncle gave me a copy when I was young and I couldn't get past the cover. Years later I read it and it blew my mind. It's not only a tale of revenge but ULTIMATE revenge. COMPLETE victory. The main character doesn't just learn how to fight. He learns how to think. He learns patience. He learns math. He learns science, language and finance. When he makes his play all the cards are his and he is ruthless.
Reading your comment alone makes me want to give it a watch, in fact, I might just do that right now tbh lol
@@sizzurpmp3 the book is much better. It's a long read though. If you do watch the movie there are two ones. The original and the remake which is okay but I have to stress the book was the best story. You really can't fit everything into a movie.
Great video, but these icebergs are missing quite a bit.
1: First of all there is no mention of the pyramid which makes me believe you were paid off by ultor (i know everyone knows about it but since the underground mall was mentioned might as well)
2: On the mountain above the pyramid there is a pond in the woods. If you search around enough you'll see a hocky mask lying on the ground with the notification "pick up bones". If you carried the hocky mask around long enough (or threw it) it would instantly turn into a human skull. It was a really creepy item that led some fans into theorizing that you could bring Jason Voorhees into the game but it was most likely just a reference that the developers threw in for fun.
3: if you wait in a boat or swim in a certain spot right by the coast of volition oasis there is a sea monster that swims through the seaweed. Its really creepy if you're not looking for it and you just happen to notice it. It spawns in the same spot every few minutes or so and swims in a straight line to dissappear back into the dark. Definitely the creepiest easter egg ive seen in saints row.
4: This ones not a big deal but in saints row 2 if you go to the saints church hideout and go to the area with all the homeless people close to the area where the zombie minigame takes place you can find half of a corpse barried in the rubble.
5: Saints row the third aslso has a secret sex dungeon. Its much smaller but you can find the dildo bat there along with a cabbit (i believe). Also in saints row 3 there are small cabbits that appear in a few other locations like image as designed.
6: In saints row 4 if you go to the bottom of one of the giant alien towers and call in the alien hovercraft you can glitch under the entire world. From there you fly to another specific point of the map (sorry im going off of my memory) and you start descending straight down into the blue abyss until every turns black, then you keep descending until you start to see your homies appear on the map. If you go down far enough you can find the ship that all the main characters use to escape near the beginning. If you go under the ship with you aircraft you can actually glitch your way on board and can even recruit the homies on board and ineract with them in ways you couldn't if you teleported to the ship (exited the simulation) like the game intended. Not sure how many people know about this one since its probably been patched by now but i always thought it was the coolest glitch in gaming.
Thanks for the heads up yo! If I ever get around to doing a part 2, I will definitely give you a should out for this info drop!
I believe in Saints Row 3 or 4 there’s also another set of doors with creepy laughing and screaming and chainsaw noises behind it.
>Paid off by Ultor
LMAOOOOO
24:31 I think the Cyrus Temple is Kenzie's father entry is a typo. Cyrus is actually implied to be Jessica's father (Maero's girlfriend from SR2) and her death is part of his motivation for hating gangs.
I still personally see this as a stretch since Cyrus was a military officer and Jessica seemed like a stuck up rich girl.
@@mrduck5182 I don't see how that would make it a stretch. I know irl military kids who act like her.
@@AsymmetricalCrimes it wasn't just her actions, she owns a fairly expensive car.
Also Jessica was around 20 and Cyrus was about 65 or something.
Cyrus does specifically reference to Jessica during his speech, fyi. The theory is simply based off on the assumption that his specific mention of her isn't casual, nor a simple reference.
After all, it's not exactly known how much media coverage and attention her death got, hence it's unclear whether he's simply just referencing to it because what happened to her is very well known in-universe (a bit like Hughes' death, which is made abundantly clear is considered a big deal and widely known), or for more personal reasons.
@@mrduck5182that’s not a stretch lol she acts like a girl with a tough well off dad. and he says it in a cutscene
wtf, saints row got more cancelled projects than actual entries in the franchise😂
Its sad when you realize how big the series could've been if some of these games would've come out
all of them sound better that what we got with the reboot
and all of them sound better than what we got with the reboot 😂
Fun fact about bling-bling: the jewelry store in sr2 is called bling bling and their advertisements point out how try hard it is
As someone who has played the series ever since the first came out, the "Ben King Planted the Bomb" and the "Eric Gryphon" theory make lot of sense and could've gave us a truly epic storyline for Saints Row 3 with great plot twists while tying up loose ends for characters.
I believe the ending that you choose to kill killbane it could be the starting of the Red faction’s universe.
Interesting theory. I could see that working
Do you think STAG wasn’t completely destroyed but they end up becoming to known as EDF (Earth Defence Force) from Red faction?
@@uncleblaine1433 I need to brush up on my Red Faction lore a bit more, but It’s possible that since STAG succeeded in the Kill Killbane universe, they could’ve spun off as another entity in Red Faction, so it’s definitely a possibility.
I’d consider any ending prior to Red Faction because of Ultor being plastered everywhere
Note on the Playa's real name: Volition once mentioned on a stream that in early SR1 development, the Playa was called Mikey. Although they said they pronounced it Mickey, for some reason.
Mikey honestly sounds fitting for the default SR1 Playa
@@sizzurpmp3Btw you ever thought about the undercover cop in SR1 being named Troy as in the city that got hit by the OG trojan horse? That shit blew my mind today when I realized it😂
@@mtndew4746 that’s actually a pretty neat fact. Crazy how the OG Saints Row writers were so clever lol
I’ll call him Michael.
9:00 I have a theory about Carlos’s brother, I believe in the first church scene of the sr1 game when Lin comes out a saints member says “I didn’t know the rollerz pimped hos” and later sucker punched by Lin is him.
Interesting to theory, I buy it. Carlos has cut dialogue that said his brother died while defending the church, so it’s not out of the question
That’s funny me and my brother had the same theory growing up, we called that guy Carlito and head cannon that he dyed his hair red (cause in our game the guy always had a red buzz cut and dark brown sideburns) we’d usually recruit him if he ever showed up in free roam
Shaundi's death in Saints Row the Third was meant to be the canon ending when they were still planning to do the Enter The Dominatrix DLC, with Kinzie meant to be her replacement. But when that got turned into Saints Row IV, they chose the happy ending as the canonical end to SRtT. The other ending is also more in-line with the series' roots, as the "happy ending" is just them accepting their role as sellouts like Ice-T and Snoop Dogg, turning their back on Gat, and becoming joke characters who make movies (before the reboot really did that.)
Also, when you make an iceberg video, you really shouldn't make half of it full of "I don't know" and "ummmm" comments, like you're admitting you just stole content from someone else. At least make it _sound_ like you did some research yourself.
Honestly the final iceberg point being where Zombie Lin and Carlos come from might make a little sense to a degree. Lin would’ve had to been fished out the river, and the blood on the dirt road, Carlos was still stuck to the truck. Absolutely no evidence for this but decent speculation
I’m glad you see it that way too! Even if that isn’t the case, it’s still fun to theorize about it
I remember flying over the ultor building and seeing a random npc say watch them laugh now and jump and never saw it again
rip to my man lmao
33:02 I have seen something in underground stilwater. I wasn't recording because I was on xbox 360 (which to my knowledge has no way to save clips without software) and i was only like 11 years old but I remember a distant ped spawning right next to me walking which scared the shit out of me then it turned towards me started the number 1 emote but despawned like half way through the emote and it absolutely scared me
I had a similar experience with it ages ago and even caught footage of it occurring in the SRTT Remaster. It's on my channel to boot.
In saints row 2 there's also a pirate skeleton behind the mega condo apartment beach which can be related to the pirate ship on the unmarked island
Another easter egg is the Jason hockey mask that turns into a skull after you grab it for a while, this is near the toxic lake of mount claflin, in sr2 obv
Awesome to see more Saints Row content, especially when it's getting into the more unknown and crazy things in the series. Keep up the great work man!!
Thanks! I’m glad you enjoyed the video!
Bruh no cap the saints Row community is one of the best in gaming the reboot made us come together and appreciate what we had in the old ones like I’ve been replaying sr3 and 4 and their way better than I remember
I wish they would remaster the first 2, start over from there. or at least remaster and then drop the julius and ben king prequel. the 70’s soundtrack they could have would be amazing smh
they are fun they just have bad stories especially 4 me and my friend played that co op for years
I wish they would remaster the first 2, start over from there. or at least remaster and then drop the julius and ben king prequel. the 70’s soundtrack they could have would be amazing smh. the remaster should look like Saints Row the 3rd POWER trailer. so simple matter of fact don’t remaster it rebuild the game entirely from scratch and keep all the script and cutscenes.
Starting with WWE2K17, you’re able to set Stilwater as a hometown for your custom wrestler.
This video already a Saints Row classic i can feel it.
The term "GTA Clone" is also used because no other open-world crime game has been able to top or overtake GTA's success. GTA V still holds the record for sales, and has yet to be beaten.
Jacques Hennequet (Dev at Volition) has his name in SR1. I think it's near Ben King's Penthouse. It's on a plaque that says he's the founder of Stilwater.
I think it would be a cool inclusion in a part 2 video.
Personally what ruins and makes an "iceberg" lose it’s touch and meaning is adding a bunch of easter eggs making it a easter egg video instead of what’s supposed to be an iceberg
@@TotallyNotKanye Eh. It's not a big lore addition or mystery, but I wouldn't exactly call it an Easter Egg either. It's somewhere in the middle.
@@R3fug333 whatever that makes you feel better
to my knowledge the one guy who was working on fixing SR2 and making the patch has died, unsure if he passed on the torch to others
Yeah I’m fully aware. He left the project in the hands of another colleague of his who was helping him make the patch. The status of the entire fix is still unknown and volition refuses to give any updates.
The comment about polish music is so on point, I'd think that myself if I weren't Polish myself
I ended up getting dragged for that joke, Polish people do not play lol
We're very proud poeple, some of us are at least
I want that Saints Row Prime game so bad, i just know it wouldve been better
100%
Brand new map, new mechanics, and Johnny would've been back. Also, they wouldn't have written themselves into a corner by blowing up the Earth.
"I didn't even know Poland had a rap scene, i thought their musical taste consisted of old folk songs and yodels or some shit" - that's the most american sentence I heard lately.
Btw I have this collector's edition.
this is one of the best saints row videos i’ve ever seen. great job dude
Ayyy thanks homie! glad you enjoyed watching it as much as I enjoyed making it
Who else remembers walking around the mall for 2 irl hours looking for a specific store, for me it was leather and lace, every time I made a new character and wanted to get my biker look without fail I’d walk by every store but not find it
There’s a line that Carlos says in the files where he mentions his brother was on the first Saints and died shortly after joining
I wasn’t sure whether or not to add it in considering it’s a cut piece of dialogue and it’s arguably non-canonical now
One possible entry could've been the idea that Osama Bin Laden was meant to be in place of Cyrus in SR4's prologue. mrsaintsgodzilla21 did a video on it.
That would make a great topic for a part 2
The funny thing is, the column with the bloody doors is right about where the original safehouse in the first game was located. Always thought that was rather odd...
My theory on the house is that the Ronin may be torturing someone who owes them money or a rival gang member. Speaking of that, one interesting thing I noticed playing FUZZ missions is that whenever there's a gang fight it's always Ronin vs Samedi, or at least I have never seen Brotherhood being involved. If that's not just my luck, makes me wonder if Brotherhood has some sort of truce or agreement of some kind with either Ronin or Samedi.
Considering that the Ronin and the Brotherhood are the most organized gangs in the game, it makes sense that they have some sort of truce going on. The Brotherhood and the Samedi are also neighboring gangs, so that might be why they're cool with each other too, which explains why the Ronin and Samedi are exclusively always at it. Nice catch on the smaller details!
For the Gryphon is Alderman Hughes theory theres even more evidence. During that DLC on one of the missions dex will call you and say "Gryphon isnt who you think he is"
You're right! wish we've gotten a definitive answer to that question.
21:50 Yeah, "Dragons" is a reference to the cut SR IV vehicle, which was a fully animated dragon
Its funny people called sr a gta clone when gta turned into an sr3 clone,years later.
They have side mission in V tow the truck lol while ŠR2 did it in 3 King first
I agree now they can't use call sr a "gta clone" anymore
9:48 when I was a kid I was convinced that there was some conspiracy about if johnny didn’t die in saints row 3 that zombie johnny gat must be an imposter and I was convinced that he was for a long time
Your theory ended up coming true in the long run lol
The only reason why the freezer appears on the Xbox 360 physical copy of the game that I can think of is that the physical release was an earlier build.
It's simular to what happenee to the OG Xbox version of True Crime: New York City, the version of the port was shipped with the wrong build of the game, making it glitchy as all hell and pratically impossible to finish, as the mission Human Cargo is unbeatable due to this factor.
do you thibk i can find the freezer on ps 3
@@saints_row_cat
I have watched saintsgodzilla's video on The Freezer (which, ironically is how I was introduced to it, shoutout to him), and he said that he hasn't had the issue happen on the PS3, PC, and the Xbox 360 Marketplace versions of SR2, it seems to be the physical Xbox 360 copies of Saints Row 2 that are prone to the Freezer.
The idea of Saints Row 2 set in the 70s could have some leftovers in the final game as the gangsters outfits are not exactly modern for the 2000s in addition to the funk station and many of the Saints Row 2 cars are classic cars also the Stilwater Police SWAT and FBI are wearing dated outfits and are very similar to the Destroy all Humans 2 Police and Military which are from 1969 the SWAT van in Saints Row 2 is a 70s era van and the blue SWAT APC is actually a very old 1960s Cadillac Gage Commando finally a lot of the store music and even radio commercial themes are easy listening songs from the 60s and 70s most by Gehard Nartholtz and a lot of the pedestrian gang and police dialogue sounds like dialogue from the late 70s and early 80s because the swearing and sex was toned down from SR1 it's really interesting how the leftovers made it into the final game especially the police bike and police boat being from the 60s and 70s despite being set in modern times its really weird
absolutely fantastic video bro also, there was cut dialogue from carlos, revealing his brother died defending the church
Wow really? Why would they cut that and would it be considered canon to begin with? I'm happy you liked the video bro!
23:19, Dual Katanas CAN be obtained without the use of hacks/mods/whatever
You just need to get Jyunichi low on HP and if you do the Katana's charged attack (I think it has 2 different ones, but only 1 can damage Jyunichi without having to counter him) and he will sometimes drop the dual Katanas on the ground, you just need to quickly grab them before the cutscene kicks in, however these katanas won't work outside of the mission, if you try to use them on free roam it'll just make you T-Pose.
Also on the Freezer we now have a pretty likely explanation by mrsaintsgodzilla21 that recently made a video on it, if you're interested you should check it out.
Lastly a fun fact: In SR3 if you have multiple homies and one of them is zombie Gat, if you enter a STAG Condor, sometimes Johnny will swap weapons with a homie, and you can have Zombie Gat with an AR and some other stuff.
Stilwater uses a mix of a few other Midwest states Michigan and Minnesota seems to be the biggest of the bunch the best Saint's Row games are in Stilwater
Killing Dex in Gat out of Hell got real boring real quick. So much so that as soon as I heard him I ran the other direction so he'd despawn.
There was nothing special to it, plus he's in hell meaning he's already dead so where's the satisfaction in that? Then they go about it in the laziest way. I never thought that the SR games were a grind until I played that.
For the Kinzie theory, is it because Cyrus is the one appearing in her simulation in Saints Row 4 despite the fact she barely interact with her ?
I think this is the only thing to give that theory.
On saints row 2 you could get the dual katanas in free roam without the uses of mods but they turn your player into an a-pose instead of using proper animations because they were programmed for junichi
What I meant to say was “it isn’t fully functional without the use of mods”. You can obtain them sure, but they weren’t usable, not unless you were on a bike.
The most obscure and disturbing part of the saints row iceberg, is the part, that references the reboot.
Really enjoyed this. Keep up the excellent work!
Thanks homie, I’m really glad you enjoyed it!
R.I.P. Volition
Wakeup sizz just made new video!
Bro said “All female gang dressed up in anime attire” you mean The Sukeban 😭😭😭
Fun fact Grant Albrect who voiced Crypto in Destroy all Humans voices one of the Caucasian Vice Kings members and the Caucasian Stilwater police officer in Saints Row 1 as his groans and screams were reused from Volitions Punisher game as Grant Albrect voiced the Fisk industry guards and the Fisk industry guards appear to modelled after Crypto as they are bald with shaved heads he also does his Jack Nicholson voice for his Fisk guard but he puts on this really convincing gangster voice for his Vice King character and he puts on a much higher voice for his Caucasian police officer in Saints Row 1 hes really good
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12:53 POLAND MENTIONED RAAAAHHHHH, but yes we do have a pretty wide music scene, from rap/hip hop, rock, metal and its sub genres to stuff like even Polish Reggae
as michigander, it is a great honor to have stilwater be located in michigan btw
Correction: the Freezer has been confirmed to only ever appear in the original XBOX 360 disk versions of the game. Hence, no digital hunting of it is really possible. Which is why details of it are still largely unknown, as this glitch appears to be limited to the first XBOX version, and investigating it means to go through god knows how many disks.
Little correction to my own comment for further clarifications: in theory, it might not be completely exclusive to the original XBOX disc version. But if so, it appears to be exceedingly, ridiculously rare, on other platforms. There's very few evidence of it happening outside of the 360, and some of it looks somewhat questionable, so, make of it what you will. And, if true, the very few who claim to have managed to trigger the bug on other platforms, say that the game doesn't get bricked there, only crashes.
The main theory of why it appears to be either exclusively or mostly confined to the 360, being because of the 360 hardware (since the glitch appears to be either ultra rare or non existent also on digital 360 versions). So while in theory investigating it digitally might be a possibility, assuming the evidence is true, the rarity and lessened severity of it do make it much less practical and possibly not as complete.
Thanks for the clarification dawg! I’ll be sure to shout you in the updated video.
@@sizzurpmp3 No probs! If it helps, I made a quick edit for further clarification.
TL;DR being: in theory, it might not be completely exclusive to the 360, but there isn't a lot of evidence outside about it; and if true, it appears to be exceedingly rare and not as catastrophic.
Saints row is my childhood! Thank you for the great video about this game. And I know one fact about Tiny Pistol, that this pistol from the movie Man in black
Glad you liked it man! And thanks for the clarification, I honestly had no idea. You learn something new everyday lol
No Other Games Disappointed me like The Saints Row Reboot , and Trust me This is From a Person who Preordered Cyber Punk Decades before the Release .
The pimp slap in SR1 is very possible to get if you use a save game editor or have modded the game to spawn it in the weapon stash or gun store but however you can't unequip it and if you save the game with the pimp slap then your game is forever stuck with that pimp slap as there's no way to remove it.
I made a video on my youtube channel using the pimp slap in SP but however Volition forgot to add the knockback and damage thus making it useless in SP but thankfully modders were able to fix this.
Also there's an unused vehicle in Saints Row 1 called the baddog which i also made a video of.
Also Saints Row 1 was suppose to have a feature to use left handed or right handed weapons but was scrapped as the game had to be rushed out the door quickly.
16:00 i’m not gonna lie, I always hoped that if five ever comes out Saints Row IV would basically just be the Playa’s fever dream or something, i’m not sure how else they would recover from the last few games lol
This should have just been called the Saints Row 2 iceberg. Jesus you’d think their was never an SR1 or 3 the way SR2 is spoken about. They really made a GOAT game with 2 and just flopped the rest of the series.
Did you not watch the video? lmfao
@@sizzurpmp3 I did. What I said is not a shop at the video creator but a way to say the creators GOATED on SR 2 and then dropped the ball
The Dual Katana's ARE obtainable without mods in SR2, I used to do it on my PS3 - they just don't work outside the mission and cause the Playa to T-Pose when you attempt to attack with them.
I miss The Destroy. I wish it would have appeared in more then one game.
SR4 would’ve been the perfect game to re-introduce it. Missed opportunity there smh
@@sizzurpmp3 That game had so many UFO references in it I was sure we would get it. They have a car that looks like a UFO, but it does not fly. Such a shame. Thanks for the reply and heart!
bro you deserve way more subs putting content out like this
Piggybacking off the eric gryphon & richard hughes theory. Gryphon could be hughes' bastard son that he gave a job in the company. It kinda tracks, hughes was a shady guy, its not out of the realm of possibility that he'd cheat on his wife and have an illegitimate kid.
Imagine creating a creepypasta monster by acident lol
"That's like calling every first person shooter 'Doom clones'."
That's actually a thing as well though, right up until the mid-2000s a lot of FPSes were called Doom clones because a lot of them were still heavily inspired by their predecessors.
It wasn't till the Call of Duty and Battlefield franchises that the term became reserved for indie titles intentionally copying the style.
Similarly, Saints Row kinda was a GTA clone up until the 4th entry.
It had a similar UI, similar fonts, the games played and felt more similar than most modern open world games at the time.
The Freezer only exists on older Xbox 360 consoles due to hardware limitations. It was due to loading basically all of the maps at once and being in locations too close to those inaccessible maps. A digital copy also does not have this bug, as far as anyone has found.
And I think Zombie Gat is in fact a clone create by the Syndicate to show the body of Gat to the population (they say in the beginning it will be the proof that they are superior) but yeah you have this theory only because Saints Row 4 exists.
This was a really good watch, great video my man!
l'm gonna start bing watching it for months on end lol
I’m very glad you liked it that much bro! It’s awesome to hear this from people. Means a lot fr
The violition oasis has to be one of the coolest Easter eggs of all time
NARC 2005 video please.
Im definitely checking it out soon, it looks really good
The king is back.
Nobody remembers the cancelled game “saints row drive by” that was supposed to release on 3ds and is the only reason I preordered one 😢
I’ve heard rambling of it but wasn’t sure if it was real or not. Would be a great topic for a part 2!
20:56 Germany is dayroom for that
good video sizz! keep it up!
Appreciate it fam! You’re a true G
started playing sr2 again recently and someone fell on the Heron statue at Heron Hotel and it scared me, I was so confused. This video cleared that up so thank you. Kinda eerie there’s multiple suicides in the game
I’m kinda disappointed you didn’t cover the original saints row 3 entry, very interesting as it would’ve included parkour. Which I think you can find pieces of it when vaulting on obstacles and such.
Yeah, I wasn’t very satisfied with this video as I glossed over a ton of stuff. I’m planning on remaking it sometime later this year using an updated iceberg with even more entries. I’ll make sure the original SR3 gets its chance in the spotlight this time around!
"And then THQ scrapped it" is the real lore behind saints row
I never saw anyone talk about the sounds coming from certain containers arround SRTT and SR4's map.
I had a theory about Cyrus temple could it be possible that Jessica from saints row 2 could be Cyrus temples daughter because in sr3 he mentions Jessica about her life before the boss killed her by her own bfs car but it could be a crazy possibility that kenzie could be Jessica sister they have similar comparisons but ones dumb and ones smart in most families they have at least one smart sibling and one black sheep but it could be a possibility there is a connection
That could explain why Cyrus Temple joined STAG in the first place, you're definitely on to something here
bunny is under water
even secret locations in sr2 should be
18:58 sounds like a awesome idea real talk
Would be a good plot for a Soft-rebooted SR game
@@sizzurpmp3I agree with you
@@og_3rd_st_saint_gatjust play Yakuza, 10x better than anything Volition could do, especially nowadays.
FINALLY A SR ICEBERG
I thought it was about time someone filled that void lol
Great video.
One topic I would add is the games timeline. I can't remember every detail, but user jeanpoliko made a video about the story of the series. Basically the only game that helps us track down every game and the year it takes place is SR3, but in the same video it's said how the game has a bunch of just absurd facts like deaths from the same game occurring years apart from each other according to in-game newspapers and files. I recommend that part of the video if you want to make your own take on it
I actually already made a similar sounding video on the SR timeline a few years back.
@@sizzurpmp3 cool, i'll go check out
There is a set of missions in Saints row 3 where you help a kid named Jimmy who spent time trying to create a clone of Gat but failled so you hunt fown a failed clone Called Jonny Tag maybe Zombie gat came from him?
The music choices in this video are top notch, bud. Especially trance 009 sound system dreamscape Very nice!
Thank homie, a lot of though did went into the music in this video
I seem to recall Cyrus stating that his daughter was Jessica from saints row 2 (mareo's girlfriend) in a press conference cut sceen of saints row 3. idk where people got that he is related to kinzie.
Yeah, that seems to be the case. The author of the iceberg probably got the 2 of them confused lol
Sooo what im hearing is sr took a whole bunch of bullets to put down saints row, cancelled, cancelled, Cancelled. Yet here we are still in love.
No matter how hard they try to erase the OG Saints Row, they will never stop the passion we all have for the games!
The PC patch was being made by IdolNinja, who unfortually passed away.
According to Volition, they're still working on it, but that's been said by them for years now. Who knows if it would ever come out.
@@sizzurpmp3 after IdolNinja I have no hope.
Awwww shit, Sizzurp uploaded!
Thanks for this carnal 🤙🏽
Not meteor herd from sonic adventure 2 💀
Do to the fact the xbox 360 servers have shut down does that make saints row 2's dlc lost media?
So they'll listen when we say we want gat back but not when we say be more serious again
21:45 love the South Park music here, altough I'm sure whats being referenced is Puff the rideable Dragon that was cut from Saints Row 3/4.
Yeah I thought so. There’s a ton of dragon iconography’s throughout the series so it was kinda hard to include a single thing to that entry
In saints row 2 you can get infinite stamina within minutes, rather than having to find every single spray tag location.. how the heck is that a DOWNGRADE?
I was comparing rewards both games grants you for completing the spray tag activity, not the actual process of getting infinite stamina.
This isn't much of a creepy easter of so but in SR1 there are some buildings that you can hear noises coming from them, in the suburbs district in one of the house across the apartment stronghold you can hear someone watching porn as you can hear moaning in there, and in the Cecil Park section of the barrio district on the hair salon across the street of the one you can actually enter you can hear music playing inside of it. Haven't explored the other districts yet to see if there are more buildings that have this happen but might try to see if I can find more.
oh yeah the music in the hair salon only plays during the day and goes silent at night, you have to be right next to the building to hear but you can hear faint Spanish folk music playing inside.
Is there going to be a 2nd part to this iceberg i feel like theres still more to cover?
I’ve been getting requests to do a part 2, so there very well might be. If not, I’ll probably remake this video later Down the line as I’m not satisfied with a lot of the voice overs and missing facts.
@@sizzurpmp3 okay looking forward to that video
@grippieb6447 thanks dawg!
27:05 sounds like Nicolas cage having a mental breakdown
If more ads were like "Ship it", I would actually pay attention.