Saints Row: The Third - The TRUE Downfall of the Series
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- Опубликовано: 29 ноя 2022
- Saints Row 3 is usually referred to as the 'last good Saints Row game.' Today, I'm exploring just how true that statement actually is... Is Saints Row 3 good? Is it really the last good game in the series?
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Killbane speech about the Saints legacy ending with a whimper and not with a bang was prophetical... Years later and the reboot proved him right...
man that hurts physically
and is 100% right
Damn… I hate that that’s so true
It does indeed appear as though the franchise is dead, as least for now.
@@arthurfleck629 it is dead. the devs and community manager pretends it isn't
Best thing I could see happening is in a few years a new dev gets the liscense and they basically do modern remakes in the same vein as the Destroy All Humans remakes, aka 1:1 the same story and content with just better graphics and polish on the gameplay. Then just drop 3 and 4 from canon and make a totally new SR3.
Technically it ended with decapitating The Overload of the Entire Galaxy and taking his Throne. We don't talk about the reboot
To be fair with the Killbane match thing, unmasking a luchador wrestler is the biggest humiliation the unmasked wrestler could ever have.
Our fucking enemy should not be a goddamn luchador ... do you not see the issue? Its cartoony
Ngl the first saint row I played was the 3rd and I really like how over the top it was
Me too and I did every activity@@javi-xv7dl
@@javi-xv7dlthe third isn’t bad it’s only bad bc it was the beginning of the end for the franchise that’s all
Especially in Mexican Lucha Libre Lore.
saints row 3 is at least better than saints row 4 and the reboot
Good ol’ times.
Cap
@@CAL08 Could you please tell me how?
I wouldn't call that a tremendous achievement
@@NOibium1411 Saints Row 4 is a Love Letter to the entire Franchise and it Gives finality to a majority of the characters in the cast.
The idea of going around and Helping your friends by freeing them from their own personal hell is a well done idea allowing the players to really dive deep into what's bothering or Holding the crew back for all these years.
-Like Shaundi Feeling like she's responsible for the death of Gat because she's to weak and her insecurities about her SR2 Self.
-Helping Johnny get over and Accepting the death of his Girlfriend after seeing her be Killed over and Over again for Year's
It Brings All of the Fan Favorite characters back and Fixes the problem that SR3 Had In killing off Johnny Gat for no good reason but now give it context.
SR4 has the most creative and Fun Missions In the franchise. In the Game one moment your doing and metal gear stealth level, another your Doing a side scrolling beat'em up or you revisiting SR1 gameplay for a bit.
SR4 has the second best Villain in Zinyak, he could easily kill the Boss and all his friends but that would be too easy he wants to Break then Physically, mentally and emotionally which brings the whole personal hell for the crew. Also his VA and lines are memorable and sometimes has funny moments.
I could go on more but that's just what came to mind of the top of my head.
I don't hate that they killed off Gat, my biggest issue is how un-ceremoniously they did it and how early it was. On my first playthrough I honestly didn't realize he was dead until the funeral scene at the end of the first chapter. He deserved much better than an off screen implied death.
Also Shaundi is pretty much a completely different character, I wouldn't mind the change if they actually had some reason to justify it but nope it's pretty much just an entirely different person with the same name.
I also completely forgot Angel existed till you mentioned him in this video lmao Kenzie and Oleg are pretty cool tho, no complains about either of them.
Shaundi's change would have made sense if it only occured after Gat's death and the Saints getting cornered by the Syndicate. Like the scene with the Boss and Peirce trying to send her home before she reiterates that she's not backing down after what happened to Johnny clearly seems to indicate that was the intention, it would be a perfect transition point, but... She's already by their side doing a bank robbery with a hardened attitude in the opening.
@@nobody2996 oh fuck, that is a good point it would have made so much sense if things happened that way in game
I kept thinking Gat was going to show up near the end of the game on my first playthrough and his death was just a fake out.
@@MistahJay7 Same
@@MistahJay7 same lol
I honestly never felt like it was a GTA clone. They had their own formula that saw success with the first 2 games. Damn shame
the first definitly tries to be GTA SA... not saying is something bad since R* really abandoned the idea of gang banging since then.
@@PEDROGARCIA-qj3gr Every game set in the hood ain't based on GTA SA, lol.
@@PEDROGARCIA-qj3gr It was in development pre-SA as Bling Bling, how is it trying to be a game that was developed later but released first?
Really came full circle with gta online trying to be a Saints Row spin-off 😑
@@PEDROGARCIA-qj3grThe saints originally wore green but when they saw that Grove Street also wore green they changed it to purple.
The first act of the story is honestly pretty damn good. It's just after you Kill Phillip is where it goes all downhill. Also the fact that we never actually saw Gat die it really made me think he was going to show up near the end or something. Seems like a weird way to kill off a major character so I didn't even believe till the end of the game. Also the Killbane ending is so damn good
The first act of the story is literally mostly activities, so nah.
@@starkiller007 Yea that kind of is true lol whole story is a mess. Guess I was just let down that Phillip was killed off so early. The rest of the story felt so dragged on afterwards. Other then Viola cause she was awesome and the highlight of SR3 for me. Hate how they didnt bring her back for 4
I agree. It's like their most creative writing was at the beginning, and they just gave up by the end and got as random as possible.With a few bright spots here and there.
he shows up when you save shaundi. he is alive for the movie scene of gangstas in space
@@ashy113 it's an actor. SR IV Showed real Gat is on alien spaceship after getting kidnapped, cuz Bri'ish alien scared he'll kill them all if not stopped
Personally, I feel like the ending where you kill Killbane was intended to be the final ending. The speech that ties everything together, the epilogue, and the fact that the other ending is literally a joke makes me feel this was the ending they intended to be canon, but a different story team built of the joke ending of SR4
They probably leaned into the sellout ending when the sales turned out better than expected. They definitely had opinions on the direction expressed in that ending and Gat's callout but THQ probably demanded another one just like it after SR3 out performed the original games which probably explains the jokes about Dex in IV and Gat Out of Hell since that was a hanging thread the fanbase still wanted answered but had nothing to so with the future of their series unless you count the unreleased Arcade game as still Canon but still means the plot is unceremoniously resolved not by Playa/Boss.
I only played sr3 back in middle school and loved it. I played the 2nd one during these past few months after the backlash of the reboot. As much as I love sr3, it doesn't hold a candle to the 2nd game. The 2nd game feels more complete.
You're definitely right and glad you see it that way but the third is still amazing in my opinion like personally yeah they could have done better but it's still damn good our characters get some more development and honestly the story isn't shite. I mean yeah it's not what the first two were and I'm glad it wasn't they tried something new to an extent it kinda worked in some areas. My only issue was being forced to do activities I'll agree with him there but I didn't mind everything else about it plus it was a good different game from sr2
Well SR3 has 10/10 on steam. What do you want 11? Many games can't even make it to 8.
@@fynkozari9271 lol that doesnt mean anything
@@nickhutcheson8580 you have to separate the wheat from the chaff.
@@fynkozari9271 Bro lmao it's not a ten out of ten at all at least a eight or seven at the best if any of them are a ten out of ten it's sr2 for sure
My favorite part from SR2 was hearing my character randomly sing along to the song Down Under. As soon as I heard that I knew that it was going to be the best game in the series.
3 is pretty enjoyable but doesn’t hold a candle to 2
If you play as different voices I think they all have their own songs they sing. I did the black female voice and I always noticed for years some audio glitch was going on everytime Take On Me played. Just a couple years ago I investigated and listened closely and it was just my character singing.
@@blaccery9504
They do in fact each have their own song they'll sing, but on top of that, they also all sing Take On Me.
Still baffles me how a developer could go from making one the greatest open world games of all time to sr3
Yo!
and eventually the saints row reboot
Holy shit dude, my first username ever for the internet was "luigifan07" and seeing your username took me back to the day I came up with it! Mighty fine username, if I do say so myself lol
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time and budget cuts if I remember correctly
Saints row got bullied into turning cringe if they just ignored all the hate and kept doing them they probably woulda had some good
Dang gone!!
Yeah volition should’ve been more based …
They did keep doing them. And they made Saints Row 3, 4, and Gat out of Hell. But everybody complained so much that they rebooted everything. But you didn’t like that either so here we are.
@@demitriuscovington370 not our problem sr3, 4 and the reboot are pretty bad compared to the first two
@@nikolasferreira3247sr4 is the best in the series
the third has the most boring city and pedestrians in the game. i prefer saints row 2 map, i mean the mall still blows me away to this day. so many different floors and little areas with water fountains and cars that randomly spawn, i even got a gyro copter to somehow spawn in there but i ended up blowing it up trying to out of the mall.
The reboot setting feel dead
@@elperrodelautumo7511 yes the reboot is trash but saints row 2 is the best
@@WiseOne93 Saints Row 2 is The Fucking Chad!!
@@CharlieMorningstar. Gat was way more bad ass in saints row 2.
@@WiseOne93 True
Even as somebody who really likes all of the saints row games... *looks at SR 2022* almost all of the saints row games i have to agree with most of this. SR3 always felt like it was stitched together following the surviving parts of a story script that was accidentally tossed into a paper shredder.
Dang gone!!
I’ve always been able to enjoy them on the entertainment of the gameplay. Story fell off so hard though
Playing with the various voices, I found nu-Shaundi saying something that I didn't completely hate for once in Stilwater Blues "mission". The line was "are we killing the Syndicate or are we becoming them?". I felt like if that could've gone anywhere instead of being yet another throwaway line, it could've added to the whole theme of "sellouts vs gangsters" the game pretended to have going.
That would’ve actually been a really good story, Gat added to that and so did Birk I’m the beginning, that could’ve lead to us becoming more like sellouts and we wouldn’t notice unless we pay attention to dialogue and certain actions.
To me, the problem with SR3 is that it couldnt commit to either tone. This halfway point between the seriousness of SR2 and the insanity of SR4 just frucks my nuts.
That song in the character creation does go really hard tho
Ur pfp is nostalgic dead rising
Always shocked when someone greatly prefers 3 over 2, absolutely boggles my mind
Well you can't blame them. SR2 sucks in the PC. Well if you have a good computer to play it with Mods that's the only way to play it.
@@mrcocoloco7200 even with a decent rig (r5 3600 rtx 2070 8gb and 16bg of ram at 3200mhz) it runs funky. I've had many numerous crashes on it just in W10 compared to playing on 7 way back the in the 2010s.
@@V1VISECT6 Facts. But that's is why I am telling this dude why Saints Row 2 is not a perfect 10/10. Not everyone can play it.
Let’s be honest…..saints 1 - 3 even 4 and gat out of hell is absolutely way better than the reboot
It's more in "playable" state on PC compared to 2. At least most of those who tend to prefer it over 2 tend to name this as their main reason since most of them tend to be PC players.
I agree that it was a downfall from the original saints but nonetheless it was a fun game and I had nice memories. But I wished they kept true to their origin
As a kid I loved 3 and 4, but once I turned 12 I got my hands on 2 I never could look at the newer ones the same
I don't see what people like in Saint's Row 3.
@@IlMemetor72 3 was meh 4 i can see why you would have fun in that
@@IlMemetor72it's just fun times with friends when you are high and drunk. It's not sad and edgy like everything else that was coming out at the time
You're not even forced to do the activities in 2. You can just gain points by doing random stuff in the open world
The pacing of the story was an absolute mess.
In Saints Row 1 and 2 each gang had at least three major characters to serve as escalating antagonists for 9 a game. In SR3 they had 5 for the entire Syndicate. Meanwhile you gain five new Saints to fight them.
The developers tried to make a game that was nothing but set-piece climaxes, but since there's no buildup everything gets killed off almost as fast as it's introduced. And then instead of adding in any actual escalation in earlier missions they just shoved in mandatory side missions as padding.
It’s definitely not a bad game to me, but it *definitely* was the start of the downfall.
I don’t know if it’s just me, but the story felt *insanely* rushed. I thought there’d be one more act before the final one, but it kinda just never happens.
Matt just straight up disappears, Shaundi is someone entirely different, and it just felt… weirdly paced.
Part of what made 2 so awesome to me was that fact that you *were* the bad guy. There wasn’t even a Grove Street situation where your gang was the most upstanding of the rest, having some level of the morals the others didn’t.
No, you were the “best” because you *won.* Your character sold all the same drugs, murdered as many innocent people as he needed to, inflicted just as much chaos and carnage all because he wanted to do it and he wanted to win.
As funny as the game could be, there was no denying the Boss in SR2 was a *monster,* and it made the story that much more interesting.
There was absolutely nothing redeemable about the Boss besides his loyalty to his friends, and that was it.
And that’s how it should’ve remained. A bloodthirsty gangster, a “Magnificiant B*stard” so to speak (thanks RUclips censorship).
Someone who’s undeniably evil but you still can’t help but admire their schemes and plots.
I remember being confused first playing Saints Row 3. After hearing how amazing it was etc, I was like "Wait is this it?"
finally somebody agrees with me that saints row 3 was the downfall & honestly i think 4 is better than 3 due to the nostalgic missions and characters.
I like to think that Saints Row and Saints Row 2 Were the Story, And that Saints Row The Third and IV were cheap, lame, and bland Movies... Then Agents of Mayhem being a fan game, and the Reboot being.... Nothing.
What about gat outta hell?
@@user-dm9fy3eh2m Probably like a Story book considering the Opening cutscene and Endings were... Books.
A reason for why the killing Killbane ending feels better than the "sellout" ending is because it feels more in line with the first two games sense of consequence the gang life brings with it. Its a bloody buisness where nobody is guarantied to make it out alive which was beautifully shown in the first two games.
In the first game, everyone knew the dangers of having Lin go undercover within the Rollers, not because the risk of her betraying the Saints, but because she would be dead for sure if anyone found out she was part of the Saints, but despite the dangers she still went through with it so the Saints could wipe the Rollers from the map, even if it would be at the cost of her life.
Likewise the second game really shows that nobody is save, just the fact that Aisha associated with the Saints was enough to paint a target on her in the eyes of the Ronin, with her death being what shows a more human side of Gat with him being willing to let Shogo off the hook because he didnt want to kill him there out of respect for Aisha, showing that even the invincible seeming Johnny Gat is still a vulnrable human being
And the Ronin werent the only one to kill one of the Saints during the events of SR2, Carlos was pretty much the reason there Saints were able to reform again by helping the Boss break out of prison and seemed to really look up to the boss and wanting to proof himself to show he deserves to be a lieutenant and not just became one cause he busted the Boss out, and the Boss maybe seeing a bit of himself in Carlos back when he first joined the Saints, with his death hitting the hardest in my opinnion because the Boss had to mercy kill him at the end of Red Asphalt because of his injuries being too severe to help him any other way
Being part of a gang means having your head be constantly on the line, and every Saint knows that. They know that anyone of them could get clipped at any time and they still fight for the Saints, but anyone who messes with the Saints will pay for it, which is why going after Killbane (with the context of Gat being dead) feels like what the Boss would have done in the heat of the moment, finally getting revenge for Johnny, his second in command and closest friend by killing the last head of the Syndicate
One of the biggest problems of Saints Row 3 is the lack of focus it has. Im not even talking about the boring as hell activities, but more so how the gang warfare is spread out. In the two first games you always had a choice between three missions involving one of the rival gangs which created a good self contained mini stories. Granted, in SR3 The Syndicate is supposed to work together so there would be a lack of interaction between the gangs if they stuck to the old formula, but the fact the story of SR3 jumps back and forth 3-4 rival gangs/organizations with no clear focus is definetly killing its pacing. You dont really get to do a whole lot towards any of the gangs, until the game decides its time to take them down, but its never really earned. I think as much as it mightve been a problem for the story of the Syndicate as one giant entity, sticking to the old formula of series of missions for each gang you get to choose and finishing off with a STAG arc wouldve definetly given the game more purpose
I feel like as if the trends of late 2011 to 2013 caused a massive decline in quality for games as a whole. SR the third being a prime example, Dead Rising OtR, SoulCal V, Lost Planet 3, DmC, Ninja Gaiden 3 vanilla, Nu Tomb Raider, Thi4f, Bioshock Infinite, etc are other blunders I remember from those years. There was just this massive push to "reinvent" game series and they either got turned into "lol so randumb xd" games or super serious too deep 4u cinematic turds that didn't match the tone at all of previous games.
A lot of the series I listed are just out right dead now with only a few barely recovering from the choices made from those years.
Dead Rising OTR? Didn't everyone like that game? I only recall the series going downhill with 3 (and dying with 4, or pretend that one doesn't exist).
@@BDozer666 It was good, but after that game they let the canucks have complete control of DR until it died, and then Capcom Vancouver died due to killing the only game series they had going for them.
Yeah the series died the moment SR3 released. Been saying it since it released. It’s all downhill from here on out. Guess what series lost its soul and just overall fell apart? You guessed it. Saints row. Sucks to watch this series slowly get its soul leeched away from it.
yep it die in three
Anyone think saints row 2 was the peak of the series ?👑
Truly a bold opinion you have there
I like the game, but to me it’s more of a B movie experience than a good story like the previous ones.
Cool.
Exactly.
After saints row 2 the series went downhill
I atually had more fun with SR4 than with SR3... That's how bad SR3 is...
A worthy successor to your saint's row 2 video. Can't say the same for what sr3 is to sr2. Honestly, Volition had so many opportunities for the reboot, the non-canon sr3 ending would have been perfect as the boss re embraces his violent and ruthless self as he was in sr2, but no, we get piñatas in a Mexican desert and a wingsuit stolen from just cause. Speaking of which, with the success your Saint's Row videos have, if you have played Just Cause, I'd highly suggest you review that franchise too. It's actually quite similar (Jc2 being very nice, jc3 being received worse but still good and jc4 kinda failing). Anyway, nice video bro keep it up 🎉
The boss in the reboot is a different person from the original series as the new voices actors show
You are!
Plus R* messed up last year with the GTA trilogy. The reboot was Saints Row's time to shine, but they fumbled too. R* at least has GTA 6 to fall back on.
Fun fact: that canon ending on the film set is one giant reference to Red Faction Guerilla. The line the boss says is the speech given by Alec Mason at the beginning and end of the game. The games take place in the same universe...well, before SR4 anyways, so it's a nice little nod to another series Volition drove into the ground.
I love this game but nostalgia really does block this one for me but I can see from coming from 1 and 2 why they say this is where the downfall started.
I came into the series with SR3 but went back to play SR2. I love both games, but I think it would’ve been differently if I played them in order.
The tiger escort actually works differently in coop, where one of the players had to pet it to keep it calm, I had absolutely hilarious moment with a friend, where he failed and the tiger ate me. Completely different experience. I loved it.
For me, my friend keeps failing the QTEs the first time, but didn't mess up so bad that i died, and thus we just... Drive for a long time until he figured how, and it didn't help that he can't read English and cannot understand the instruction without my assistance, but SRTT Coop was very good, one of my dream type of games
2 is leagues beyond 3 but that penthouse shootout with power by Kanye playing is imo the single greatest mission of the franchise, nothing complicated, just a reminder of who you were and who you have no problem being again.
The problem with two is the controls haven't aged particularly well. Its pretty hard to play these days. Some many features that are now mandatory not being in are painful now.
This was the first Saints Row I was introduced to, I saw Gat first time I loved him as a character for the limited time; to see him then go was a major sadge moment, although if "he did die" officially. I dislike the fact its off-screen cause it feels like they did him dirty.
And yeah, beating Morning Star first being the leading faction, then being told we have to train to beat the Tech man and Wrestler man felt kinda daft, as u said if it was reverse then yeah it would make sense building up to beat the morning star. I think they tried to fit in Oleg in and couldnt link it to the other factions that well. As he had information on the syndicate regarding to others who could help you against them; as well as them seeming to shift towards Kill Bane being more of a villain than Loren for some reason?
Kill Bane being kiiled being suspended is so dumb, even without knowing SR1 or 2 as SR3 is what I came to, we're just like "Yeah lol lets do a lil' trolling to Kill Bane" "Why not just kill him?" was what I thought, coulda dealt with Kill Bane then and there, and then had the story go around STAG similar to how SR2 was with dealing with gangs and then dealing with the big corporation.
And its funny how Gat talked about Saints being sellouts and doing the arguably "good moral ending", then we just sellout cause Film make money $$$$$$$$$$
Edit: Forgot to add, beautifully crafted video btw. Look forward to next one.
You cool.
I ain't reading allat
Exactly felt this
Saints row the third is so off story wise that I genuinely enjoyed the 4th game more but the entire original series is still better than the reboot
Wild stuff!
Finally had time to watch this, great stuff mate. Hopefully there’s more story breakdowns on other games to come, perfect thing to watch when I’m winding down from work.
Saints Row 3 fails in structuring a menacing threat. Hear me out, what opposition does the Syndicate pose to the Saints?
The Syndicate doesn't do anything after mission 2. Granted, Killbane blows up the bridge and the Twins stage an assassination attempt, but that's it. Killbane, Matt Miller, and the Twins sit idly twiddling their thumbs for the rest of the game until their respective gang's death. Matt is the only one who does anything yet he's just a minor hindrance. The Saints have the upper hand until STAG showed up, the Syndicate is a joke.
Saints Row the 3rd is my childhood I remember being so hyped about it when it first got announced they should’ve just stopped with 3 and did the reboot like 1 and 2
Had the twist of the storyline in saints row 3 have been that Dex actually faked his death and used the Syndicate and STAG by proxy or behind the scenes, it would be good enough to realize that not only the saints soften with wealth and fame, and that he waited until the saints forgotten who they really are. Truly that would’ve improved the storyline. Also maybe have someone who played the messenger face of the syndicate of something like that and died the same way Philippe died from the syndicate tower, then the real Philippe Loren would come in and play the real boss of the syndicate and that he kidnaps Johnny Gat or shaundi and kills either of them, maybe it would sense that the saints would decide to stay in Steelport in a revenge campaign to destroy the sects of the Morningstar syndicate.
I’m glad some people acknowledged that this game was the beginning of the end for this series. Where the downfall began. I liked SR4 better because of the nostalgic things they threw in.. but SR3 was my least favorite of the series…. Until the reboot came along. 🤦🏾♂️
Saints row 1 was good, saints row 2 was the best, the rest got worse n worse
Simply look at 2 and then look at 3.
They legit look like completely different games.
And then SR4 basically confirmed that
While I enjoyed The Third, it was an abismal letdown compared to what SR2 had. Missing tons of features and cool details the previous game had all around. On side note, I prefer SRIV than The Third. At least it's crazy feels way more energetic and fun compared to The Third's plain dullness.
30:08: That's actually pretty interesting when thinking about what they did in the Saints Row reboot game, during one of Neenah's missions where you have to mess up a dude's car by customizing it in the customization screen. Another immersion breaking segment with a bad joke similar to what's happening here, lol.
This video only covers a portion of why this game was the start of Saints Row’s downfall.
What really irks me, is that this game seemed to have marked the start of a trend in the series where they end up giving you _less_ with each installment (at least up until 4 - I haven’t been able to play the reboot yet).
Like… seriously, just compare SR2 to SR3 in terms of character customization alone. In 2, you could sculpt everything down to the most precise detail, and even have extra personality such as a walking and fighting style in addition to voices, taunts, and compliments. SR3? It kinda feels like we have less control over the preciseness of the character sculpting when most of the sliders jump around at increments of 5 or 10 points, not to mention that while the body style is simplified, it feels like I can’t get it exactly where I want it, and the personality has been watered down to only utilize the taunts and compliments, making our character less unique.
Clothing has also been watered down in terms of style customization. In SR2, you could adjust every aspect of your clothes from the undershirts to the overshirts to the jacket, to the logos, to what kind of socks you wanted to wear (if at all), and how you want to wear your hats, and legitimately everything in between. SR3 is just significantly blander with its customization in this regard as well, watering it down to just fixed top styles and logos - only ever allowing you to change the colors to your liking for each individual clothing selection.
Like… “oh, you found this outfit with a jacket you like, but you want the collar down and you want to change the shirt to something more like a tee instead of a button-up? Too bad, go play SR2 for that, loser.”
Not to mention that you can’t customize your cribs/safehouses to your liking anymore, cutscene rewatching has been removed, and you can’t even replay the missions you did enjoy without having to restart the whole game from the beginning all over again - unless you’re one of those people who make a separate save file after or before every mission for some reason. (And in SR4… they just got rid of safehouses entirely. Which I get from an early-game standpoint, but like… they seriously couldn’t set it up that, like, Kinzie could restore safehouses in the parts of the simulation you had control over? They had to stay gone permanently? What the fuck kind of ass decision is that? Also, missed opportunity having a “completed missions” section in the HUB and NOT ALLOWING US TO REPLAY THEM. … I have my gripes with these games - SR2 is just the best out of the three I played).
SR3 also got rid of vehicle diversions (like taxi diversions), money-making minigames (like poker and blackjack), races, most of the more fun activities, strongholds, territory defending - they got rid of or reworked (in a bad way; activities should never be mandatory, nor should they be used for taking over hoods, turning the respect system into an RPG level-up thing that you then throw money at to become bulletproof doesn’t make any fucking sense when compared to the system that just encouraged you to take a break to dick around and cause some mayhem before letting you do another mission, and setting things up to have you earn your abilities that make the game easier) so much of the stuff that made the previous game great.
I mean, yeah, sure, Genki S.E.R.C. was a fun new activity, and the brutes were a good way to change up combat from time to time, and they did fix the Insurance Fraud activity to make it less janky and give the player more control of the ragdolling character, and the wacky new weapons and the ability to upgrade them was great. I will give this game props for that… but that doesn’t make up for all the bad shit.
Don't forget that they also removed the cutscenes introducing the activities.
There was just less in SR3 overall.
For those who want to see what an actual good version of Saints Row the Third would look like, may I recommend the fanfiction Saints Row: The Third (rewrite) By TheHeadInCharge. It contains both seriousness and silliness as well as tackles the theme and idea of the Saints being sellouts and working their way back to their old selves. I highly recommend it.
I love when istura istura'd all over this video
So true
Ha!
Saints Row 3 was a warning to the player base of what was to come we just didn't realize it!!!
REALLY tempted to rewrite saints row 3's story. I'm sad they couldn't give us more
you hit the nail on the head, as a long time SR fan I agree with everything you said
I just love the editing and that brofist joke 😂
I agree with the criticism with the order of bosses to deal with. It would have made sense for Matt to be dealt with first since he’s the only one who was spared without having to decide whether to kill him or not, then the Saints become more murderous as they went through the other bosses, somewhat going back to their roots in showing little mercy to them.
“You’re Not ready to fight the Syndicate” Bish, the boss killed the leader with giant ass ball wdym 😂💀
What's really grinding my gears is that SR3 had the potential to be absolutely EPIC and one of all time greats which is evident when looking at stuff like the penthouse mission. If it kept around that level of quality and just cut down on the overall length by dropping the filler from the main story line, it could have been amazing. Instead it's just ok, it's barely above mid and it's a thin line it threads.
Your Background Music selection is phenomenal, you particularly triggered my nostalgia with The Simpsons Hit & Run Car Selection music. Your selection definitely keeps me engaged.
bro this editing was hilarious, sr3 was simply just ok
Being one of the rare sandboxes with entry fees (the rep tokens in this case) already made it different. Then they became a GTA clone.
At least they made the RPGish stuff easier (to find). Before you had to work out which side activity gave what (back when side activities gave perks every couple of levels instead of just some resources and a territory).
This is the one game where I actually preferred the "bad" ending. I ain't no sellout! Plus I was annoyed with Shaundi's personality in this game so I didn't care if she died.
For a decade now, I've been arguing with people about saints row 3 and how much I dislike it.
And I'll do it for another decade hahaha
Tho I'll give it credit for introducing me to the series
finally someone who agrees with me ive been saying this since god damn release 2 was peak
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On Jesus I agree
There's other youtubers who have said that since The Third's release, mate.
@@MerlautZone not op but point me to em, I wanna watch em
Another thing I hate is Pierce’s smug “is it worth it?” Bullshit at the end of the game if you choose to let Shaundi die. Like wtf Pierce why don’t YOU go and save shaundi or literally anyone else? You are supposed to be the leader of a gang but by shaundi dying because you and you alone chose to go after Killbane it makes you realize you’ve really been doing everything on your own and your gang is useless.
As someone who loves SR, I own all parts except Gat Out of Hell and the latest version, I didn't mind SR the Third. Its one of those games that I would start over just to kill time. That one level in the simulator keeps me from doing so. That particular part almost broke me the first time I played it. The game had its problems, but still it could've been worse.
it was nice that the SR2 video Istura made, actually made me play SR3 and i found it AMAZING, i felt something i havent felt in a while, like real joy and a sensation of "i want more" but the 4 game is trash... still, its always fun to see istura talking about saints row, be it good or bad... nice video, bro!! love it!
SR3 and amazing don't belong in the same sentence...but I'm glad you enjoyed that game
0:40 “it makes sense why so many would look back on this game with fond memories. But the question is… should they?”
Answer: Yes, do whatever you want, like whatever game ya want. Easy rules to live by 🎤
I love SR3. This game is so straightforward and unchallenging you can play it with your brain either turned off or focused on whatever else, like music or a podcast. Perfect game to play when your mind is occupied by whatever.
I remember when games were challenging! The good old days
Even though I may not like it as a successor to SR2 - since it lacked most of the overall mood I loved about that previous title - it did have that particular quality which I still think was fun.
Not a bad game in and of itself, just far from a spiritual successor.
I agree, but I'd rather play something else if I'm up for any challenge. With that said, SR3 and 4 are a blast in coop and very comfortable to play at around 200 ping, the lag was almost not noticeable.
@@FadedMentality….. you think there aren’t challenging games anymore? What rock do you live under lmao
Let's be real, Shaundi is literally one of the only ones really wanting revenge for Johnny's "death". Nobody in the crew showed any emotion whatsoever towards his death and that's kinda fucked considering Johnny's status and past within the Saints... so this means Shaundi is superior!
13:30 absolutely. I feel like this hasn't been talked about much within the community tbh
this is one of the saints row of all times
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I remember Saints Row 3 in a positive light but wow I didn't know it was as flawed as it is. It makes sense why Saints Row 4 did not feel right when I played it.
Ahhh.
@@theunderradarchannel6444 The other jarring point about SR4 was that you're so overpowered that the game was the most fun with no upgrades.
Saints row 1: gangster
saints row 2: dallas from payday
saints row 3: deadpool
saints row 4: the mask
"Saints row" reboot: local hobo down the alleyway
The annoying thing about the Belgian being in the Tower is the game literally comments on how stupid it would be for him to be in the Tower. The writers knew it was lazy, they just didn't care because "LulRandom" was their design motto for it.
Back with yet another banger I see! After the heartbreaking and terrible "reboot" of the series came out recently I decided to go back and replay saints row 3 and 4. I definitely appreciate the mindless explosive fun those games still offer but man, they could've been so much more. They could've been great, the ingredients are all there but as you said this is where they started to get lazy in alot of ways as its easy to notice the dip in quality compared to the 1st two games in certain aspects. The story especially. The 3rd has alot of ideas but they simply aren't fleshed out enough to be anything more than surface level. They needed to real take the time to fine tune alot of things. Like the city itself steelport, is just so bland especially compared to Stilwater theres barely anything intresting going on. And don't even get me started on how they basically dropped the Dex storyline from the corporate warfare dlc and how they completely wasted the syndicate. Stag was kinda cool though but even they are lacking development. Anyways great video keep up the fantastic work 👏
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Yeah I remember when I first saw the reveal for saints row the third and I was young and didn’t really care because I was a fan of the series but when I played I quickly realized damn man this is not that replayable than saints row 1-2 was and that was a killer for me because I loved saints row 2. Best one in this series in my opinion
I actually like Saints 3, but I do agree unlike Saint 2 it has not aged as well. I was all down with the series going hard on the wackiness, but in all honestly, the story began to fall flat. I even enjoyed the 4th game but I do feel they went... too hard in way of the crazy.
Now, well Volition F'd themselves big time and have nobody but themselves to blame.
I was literally working on a video with damn near the same title.
I’m glad OG’s will always keep it a bean
I mean, it’s better than playing the 2022 reboot
Interesting.
It's about time someone said it.
will you do this for saints row 4? i love your takes.
Bro when the ending came that blew my soul as a kid watching them go to space like WTF WE ARE STREET GANGSTERS!!!!! I’m lost on why they didn’t explore Troy and Dex story lines
Finally someone said it, 1 and 2 were the best in the series!
This was the first game I pre-ordered since I loved Saints Row 1 & 2, and boy was I letdown.
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I pre-ordered it too and had a fucking blast+all the dlc 💀💀
Tbh, Monica Hughes looked mad different back in Saints Row 2
You know I would be here love your videos bro
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Nah, it's my favorite one
This video and the one before it are a most excellent analysis of this game series and I really think you are delivering some amazing reviews stepping away from GTA as your main focus. I'm hyped to see what you produce with other games and other genres in the future. The editing is fun, fast and on point, never slows to let your attention wander and the in depth analysis of the game as a whole is thorough and concise. A GTA youtuber going multigame? I never thought I'd see the day. Good job and keep it up man.
Keep good.
My problem with sr3 is that it has like no replay ability and the city feels so lifeless
I had played and loved Saints Row 2 in the leadup to SR3's release. At the time, I was extremely hyped and thought The Third would be the best game ever. Needless to say, I had set my expectations extremely high, as Saints Row 2 was one hell of a benchmark. However, when SR3 came out, I felt nothing but disappointment. The dull map, the reduced customization options, the disjointed story and the lack of distinct gangs to fight. This feeling of disappointment is something I have felt for the remainder of the series, which was compounded by the awful reboot.
For me, Saints Row 2 was the peak, and now that Volition is gone, it will remain the golden age of the series.
Appreciate the free quality content my guy
Yep.
I always thought the 3rd was a especially goofy stopping playing after a few but people loved it not a fan of wacky humor in my crime games personally but glad liked ig they lost their mind with the future titles though also your editing is freaking hilarious
The edit is fantastic! Love it🤣💀💀
There's a bit of reason behind killing him first. it's like daredevil. If kingpin is taken out every low level ganster and crew will be hunting for the top spot. This making the saints fight a free for all rather then having a 1v3b gang fight they'd realistically lose
Saints Row 3 was my least favorite. Compared to 1 and 2, shit was a flop ngl. If you don’t play co op, there’s nothing to even do really.
Saints Row 3 was the Halo 4 of the Saints Row franchise.
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I always assumed Saints Row's niche was that it focused on Organized Crime more then GTA did. Both are Crime Sims, but outside San-Andreas you're kind of on your own, not directly attached to any criminal enterprise. And even with San-Andreas technically you are, but also not really. Saints Row is a story about a Crime syndicates rise of power where's GTA is just a Criminal's Story. Hell, Saints Row 1 your character literally didn't speak but a handful of words and that wasn't until the very end of the game. Something Saints Row 2 even joked about.
I liked this game but after seeing this video, you're kinda right with the whole obligatory side missions, like when this game peaks it peaks high and when it goes down it goes pretty low, and the story well, I didn't played two so I tought that the series always had a crazy tone, and seeing the kind of wasted potential with the story really makes me think that it could have been a lot better, maybe mixing the theme of the saints being sellouts or true gangsters with the ideas that julius had regarding if its better to end the saints in order to stop the bad things in the city by making the saints consider retiring from crime to just be celebrities but making their city safe