I’m selling my FX9 and lenses to go to the C400. It does it all in such a small package while giving you Burano performance and even more in some areas. Just amazing. Also getting the 24-105 2.8, dream combo really.
@@sa.t.2507 it’s definitely a hard Camera to turn down. I would say that the sony burano has more flexible image but it has less dynamic range in the high iso. I think Sony dropped the ball with that Camera. Both myself and Shane are likely moving over to the C400
I have a C400 preorder in place, but I keep in mind that Sony is rumored to have an FX9 successor announcement to make next month. Unless Sony decides to put some extra pricing pressure on Canon, it might cost another (US) $3k or $4k more, but depending on the price and specs I’m guessing for now I will end up with the next Sony. Time will tell.
@@waveland I’m not waiting to find out though. My FX9 is hard to sell as is and will be worthless as it looks now once Sony releases new cameras. I’m done with Sony, the C400 does everything I need for the nest 7-8 years, that’s how long my FS7 served me.
@@sa.t.2507 The C400 doesn’t start shipping until sometime in September or October (no firm dates have been set yet), so if you don’t have a preorder in yet then you might not see a camera till the end of this year or into 2025 depending on how quickly Canon can turn them out. That’s why I’m keeping my options open. If Sony can roll out a comparable camera sooner then I will probably head in that direction instead since Sony is the go-to brand for agency work in my area anyway. Let’s see how it goes.
@@waveland For me the brand dosen’t give less or more work really. I earn about 150k per year either way. I managed to get hold of a C200 while waiting for the C400, and I get to borrow it for free while waiting. Got in the line for C400 in the middle of June at CVP. Hoping for the best. I can’t continue using the FX9, it just dosen’t fit my style of work. It produces an amazing image though. But it has so many compromises. And once MKII is announced I will have lost most of its worth, so I better get it sold now ASAP before new cameras hit the market.
@@LonzosStudios Taylor here! Yeah, I disagree with Shane on this one, which is why I added the text on screen at the time. Maybe he’s used to it, but I genuinely like having everything on the same side! I wish they made it a little little bit longer so we could’ve kept the extra card slot
@@Angelo_Paduraru We only tested latitude, you’ll have to wait for CineD for a dynamic range number, but it’s certainly got cleaner shadows but personally when I was testing with denoising I found both the c400 and c70 were in my opinion both unusable at -5. So I don’t think it’s a full stop better.
As a fellow S1H user (great to see someone appreciate this underrated camera), I am very excited for the Canon C400. Seems almost like a perfect camera for me, I'm a bit tired of rigging up my mirrorless to be a fully functional documentary workhorse, plus I definitely need something with faster readout speeds than my S1H at some point. And while the C400 might not be completely on par with the FX6 in that last regard, it's still a huge improvement compared to the S1H - and as you said: it does almost everything else better than the FX6.
@@janisbrod we cut it from the video as we plan to talk more about it in the future video, but we did actually test the S1h also! We think it has less dynamic range, but it actually has more latitude in terms of how flexible the image is and how smooth the highlights rolls off. Panasonic are doing some magic! I’ll let Shane respond to you regarding everything else !
Totally agreed! We did a quick latitude test for the s1h and it was actually the best performer of the cameras we tested by a stop 😅 but with that said I have normally gotten better footage when using the c500ii so I have no doubts that, while the c400 isn’t the best camera on the planet, it does a lot right. It’d make most people pretty happy for most projects. I’ll probably hang on to my s1h for gimbal stuff for the time being though!
Great video guys. Long term Fx6/A7siii user here and looking to switch to this and R5ii. This video has helped to inform that decision. Keep up the great channel.
@@BensonIbe it depends what you view as a Bcam! The reason why the fx3/fx6 work so well together as they have the same sensor and the same log and the same iOS. On top of This the fx3 has IBIS which makes it fantastic for handheld shooting and running and gun stuff! My big issue with the R5c is you only get clog 1 in raw which makes it bad for interview matching! And no Ibis! It also has bad battery life, which means that it’s not good for running around with unless you rig it!
@@TheFilmGuyOfficialthe R5C has clog1 and clog3 in camera and when shooting RAW you can debayer to those 2 and clog2. Not sure where you got the idea it only has clog 1.
...the automatic base iso could be improved, too. It would be nice, if the Base Iso switches to the nearest base iso instead to change when you reach or pass a base iso. That would deliver always an image with less noise....It would be great, to have that option
@@brmoogma I don’t know if there’s an option because I didn’t have time to check but on the fx6 You can trigger to just bounce between the base iso with a button ! I think this would be how I would be shooting 95% of the time
Nice job covering a lot of testing ground in your few hours of hands on, and the comparisons with the FX6 are very helpful. Thank you. And at the moment (late July 2024) the C400 seems like the best cine-body camera in its price bracket. Though there seems to be persistent rumblings that the next FX9 will be announced from Sony in the next few weeks and come the Fall, Canon may have fallen behind again. So at the moment I have a C400 preorder in place, but it’s very tentative until I know what Sony has up its sleeve.
I personally don’t think Sony will be able to get enough dynamic range to catch up in just one camera release, maybe a stop if we’re lucky… but that said that’s not the only important thing about a camera and they’re still obviously great cameras and they do normally still have great latitude even if the maximum range is a little lower. Time will tell, I’m just happy we’ve got some new exciting cameras coming after such a long time of just seeing recycled sensors in new bodies!
No digital IS in RAW, unless something changed. Crazy how the C70 still is the most organic & cinematic camera Canon has, should have made a FF version.
Great work bud!! Good point about a (B) camera similar to the FX6/FX3 combo. I wonder if that "other" cine cam is going to be higher end or maybe a C70 replacement in FF to compliment the C400? As a Canon shooter I am pumped.
@@scottievee7467 we aren’t convinced it’s going to happen. Canon have a history of not making good bcams. Shane is going to use his S1H as a Bcam. I’m probably going to keep my fx3 for now!
I wonder if Canon will transform the R5C into a cine line C50. Lose the shutter, add some I/O, keep the processor. That would compete very successfully against an FX3.
@@ShaneVanLitz Canon have been laggards in many ways and I would have to agree I don’t see much evidence their strategy has changed. And look at the R1 as a different example, a camera spec’d and built in a vacuum. Some fascinating AF tweaks for sports (that serve very few users) but in no way groundbreaking or outstanding. The C400 was a nice surprise because of the lower price but yes, it will probably be an orphan in the lineup.
I work in wildlife and nature documentaries. We often use the fx6 to 80,000-160,000 iso, we of course have to clean it up but I am really intrigued to know how well the C400 holds up in comparison to the FX6 at these extreme iso levels
I agree! I think that's the difference between latitude and dynamic range. The latitude of all these cameras may be similar, but the total tonal range in a properly exposed image still counts for something IMO and that's where the FX6 falls behind a little! I personally preffer the sharper full frame 6K images to the C70 though but each to their own!
@@Makta972 I don’t disagree. I am a long-term Sony Shooter but I’ve been noticing more and more how weird skin looks on Sony cameras. It’s almost like they’re using some kind of digital make up filter and the skin looks fake.
I've used the C70 since launch, and love it, but I do sometimes worry the image is soft compared to the competition. That said it's not like a client has ever said that, it's just knowing that Sony is the norm here in the UK, and they are much crispier and more digital looking images, so it is kind of seen as a baseline for 'normal'. I'd take the C70 image over the FX6, but the FX6 here is so ubiquitous I feel like I'm missing out by sticking with Canon.
@@matadormartin I have been pondering making a video about this for awhile and Shane would probably disagree but a lot of gear buying is ego driven at the end of the day I don’t think clients care about Sony versus Canon color. They just want their story well told and things to be lit properly. It’s not like either brand has colours way off. It’s just small differences. Use whatever Camera will get you the most amount of work and make your life easy don’t go for ego.
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial Yeah I suppose there is all that weird RUclips stuff about one camera KILLS another and whatever else, and Sony or Canon 'fanboys' etc etc. When the reality is that the producers, production houses, distributors, platforms, channels, and audiences out there couldn't care less.
That´s a great review really. I have a kind of niche-question: I own the C70 and a R6ii for documentary and TV run and gun- I want ti update one of them. Would you exchange the R6ii with the R5ii or the C70 with the C400?
That’s up to you! I’d look at getting a b camera with the same log profiles as the a camera to start with so like you say the R5ii fits the bill but I’d be very cautious about overheating for documentary work! I think the c70 Is a great camera and might even make for a great b camera if you could keep it?
I was considering that move but the colors on the R5C are way better than the R6mkII, the Cinema line colors just look more pleasant to me. I'm thinking I should keep my R5C as a B cam to a C400.
Try the 6K ProRes RAW from the R6 mk ii to a Ninja V+ - that gives me colors about as good as the R5c, and is way better than the inbuilt Clog3 codecs.
Canon seems to already have a compact mirrorless camera with the same sensor as the c400, the r3. The sensor specs seem to be identical including the 3 base ISOs each 2 stops away from each other.
The r3 does have a very similar sensor but its performance doesn’t seem to be anywhere near the c400 especially at 3200 and 12800 iso from all the testing I’ve seen… That said, an R3C would be an interesting idea indeed.
I am a Canon user and the FX3 alone makes me what to switch. I have a C70 as my A Cam and the R5C as by B cam maybe running the C400 as an A cam and the C70 as my B cam will fix a lot of the issues I currently have.
Around 3:50, are the cameras marked incorrectly? The top image is so much better all around than the bottom one, but you mention the bottom image is the C400. I can kind of see what you're saying if it's strictly going on dynamic range as the blacks are slightly darker, but it loses color information so much faster than the top image and becomes basically unusable very quickly.
Hey mate, no they’re not! And that colour information looks like it’s gone on the canon but it’s not if we increase saturation it’s all there and it comes back! We find the Canon has a gradual fall off with the Sony drop off a cliff! If that makes sense.
It's also very deceptive on RUclips with the compression etc. We're looking at ways to better show these if we do more in the future. Rest assured though, neither camera is what I would call usable at those extremes (+5 and +6 were IMO not salvagable on any of the cameras we tested, even if they look pretty OK here after all the compression) and the C400 is much nicer all the way untill they both fall off a cliff.
Thanks for this. The C400 looks to be a winner, but I have to say I think in real practical terms there isn't much I could do with it that I don't already do with my C70. In a way a C400 and R5ii combo seems like the current best option from Canon, but I'm sureI would miss the size of my C70 given you still have ND's up to 10 stops.
Nice Review! I wanted to see how the camera performs comparing to the other Canon C cameras. This looks like a pretty solid camera to me. I am getting more and more tempted to upgrade from my C300. I personally disagree on the Canon needs their fx3 b cam segment. YOu gotta remember that the R5C is a Hybrid camera. I use and own the R5C as bcam and find it a fantastic tool. Great colours, great exposure tools (which Sony doesn't have, not even on the fx6!) , it's a great hybrid camera with amazing photo features, different flavours of codecs, Timecode, RAW (if you ever need it) and a decent 8K resolution image.Yes, the R5C doesn't have IBIS but...frankly, If I want to get smooth shots I mount the camera on a gimbal which is kind of what I bought it for. And if I wanna go handheld I would opt for a bigger camera everyday of the week, so then I will pick my A cam for that. I personally think IBIS is a nice feature if you a running around with a mirrorless with not time to set up...but that's kind of it. And tbf yeah ,the battery life on the R5C is terrible but I can't conceive running a bcam without an alternative power supply anyway, specially when filming interviews. I have an Fx lion Nano to power the camera and it gives me like 3-4 hours of shooting none stop so problem solved. SOmetimes I run the cam on a gimbal with the battery on my pocket connected via USB-c. But the Fx3 in the other hand has better sound solution, and of course IBIS and better battery life which is nice. Both cameras have their pros and cons and they are both fantastic tools but I don't see them "killing" or making irrelevant the other. However I think Canon has to chill out with the prices, that's what makes their cameras a bit more unattractive. So it's nice to see that C400 coming out at a more competitive price.
Each to their own! I don’t personally think the R5C is as good a pairing as the FX3 is to the FX6 and especially not for the money, but I don’t think it’s a bad camera. I’d just like to see a similar sensor, isos and log profiles with ibis and timecode at around R5ii or R3 pricing. I think that’d fit the bill far better than anything they currently have.
@@marcobeyermann3435 yup, and if you’re supplying footage to a production company they probably won’t see a difference in workflow between the fx3 and fx6 if for example you’re doing an interview a and b cam setup that’s not RAW, a situation that’s super common. That simplifies their post and makes you a slightly easier rehire in the future. Really as simple as that. The cameras match easier. Of course when you’re going direct to client yourself and it’s only your time then that’s for you to decide how important it is. I’d certainly like things to match easier given the option, time is money and I don’t feel canon have a perfect bcam right now, although of course some come close and will do the job - there’s just room for improvement.
so did you say that at 4K 60 camera oversample from 6K but above that frame rate is line skipped? I shoot most of my weddings with an R6 II and a C70 in 4K60 I was considering the R5 Mark II but after a lot of research it seems the 4K 60 is line skipped, AF works better on the R6 II than the C70, but I really like C-Log 2 on it, thing that I don't have on the R6 II, since the R5 II + xtra fan for cooling + xtra batteries and media + unnecessary stress about if its gonna overheat in some conditions will be close in price, I think picking the C400 + peace of mind cause it won't overheat its a better deal, well time will tell after both are tested. in the meantime I'll patiently wait.
@@EliasLopez that is correct and if you’re shooting weddings, I can’t recommend you get the new R5. You need a Camera that you can rely on and if it’s going to overheat, you’re going to miss shots and you might be liable.
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial I’ve been looking at some of the DSMC2 and I remember 5 years ago the Dragon-X 6K was my dream camera but the outrageous price wouldn’t let me get it, until now they starting to pop up in a ready to shoot package for like $6k dls, I’ve been considering picking up one of these for my next project this weekend and see how it performs, but I’m sacrificing AF, internal NDs, portability and some other features for Red image quality, some say it’s worth it so, I don’t know
You are right but I do think that the r5ii has 4k60 down sampled from the 8k if you select the high quality 4K ‘fine’ setting. But it also skips lines for anything above 60p and the camera has overheating issues apparently like Taylor mentioned.
@@ShaneVanLitz nobody knows this yet, the only info that confirms this is the one I’ve found in the actual canon manual, where it shows that 4K HQ Fine it’s only available at 30fps max, the R1 does over sample from 6K and it shows it on the manual as 4K 60 with HQ Fine option, might as well just get the C-400 with internal NDs and all of the codec flavors and hoping a firmware update improves AF like on the C-70, even though after some research I’ve done C400 AF looks better than the C70 but not as good as the new R5 Mark II and R1, we’ll see.
As a C70 owner, these points hit hard because I thought it was worth it to go full frame with the advantage in frame rates and various resolutions, plus the professional cinema body user experience. However, seeing that there’s not a big difference in dynamic range makes me reconsider what to do now. 😭
@@noahyvhonestly, having pixel peeped on the tests before we uploaded to RUclips, I’d say there’s less than half a stop more in the c70. Both the c400 and c70 did not recover past -4 stops in my opinion, but the c70 did look a little nicer at -4. I wouldn’t call that a lot given you get full frame and 12800 iso in exchange.
Taylor, thanks for the interesting comparison. I wonder why you, as an Australian, aren't more interested in Blackmagic cameras and not only the Japanese ones. Canon C400 is a nice camera at a very good price but once you are forced to use Canon lenses it is not that cheap any more (smart strategy from Canon). As far as I could see, Blackmagic 6K FF (same as Pyxis) has better image quality than the C400. I understand that the Blackmagic FF is not that good in low light, the rolling shutter speed is slow and it is much less functional than the C400 (for run & gun, etc), but in terms of image quality, it seems to me that the BM 6K FF is more organic, has better color rendition and better high light roll-off. C400 has the 'Canon look' which is nice but it's a more corporate/tv look in my opinion. C400 is going to be very good for doc/commercial/tv/corporate, run & gun, solo fast-pace operation, but Blackmagic, with its 6K FF (Pyxis) and coming Cine 12K, is offering an image quality that is superior to the Canon and Sony offerings under $10K. So I am curious why you, as an Australian, aren't more interested in Blackmagic cameras. I am looking forward to someone doing a proper comparison between the C400 and the BM 6K FF (Pyxis), I think people is going to be surprised with the side by side results (as many were when they compared the BM 6K FF with the RED Komodo OG). ruclips.net/video/tkGh0uHH7lg/видео.html
Hey interesting comment. I’m not going to buy a camera just because I am from a country that produces it. That is silly! I also have a long history with Blackmagic and love their pocket 4K,6k but there other cameras have pretty much all have had issues. I haven’t shot with the pyxis but I have shot with the full frame 6K and found it to be pretty awful to work with. It’s so inconsistent and unforgiving in terms of information in the shadows Banding and fixed pat noise but also terrible rolling shutter! It was basically unusable if you weren’t on the first base ISO. these camera uses the same sensor and has all the same limitations. It also has no AF, NO NDs, limited frame rates, less dynamic range and likely worse build quality ,no screen , no 10bit. It seems like it’s going to be a dud because of the terrible sensor implementation. With all that said the 17 K frame looks bloody impressive and I would love one but obviously it’s $25,000 Australian and design for Man shooters. And I’d still be worried about the build quality because it’s Blackmagic, which is unfortunate. I know multiple people whom have owned upwards of 3x ursa Mini g2s because they kept breaking. At the end of the day, you shouldn’t be loyal to a brand you should be chasing Whoever is giving you what you need to make money.
Sorry, only saw this one now and wanted to say I agree with Taylor here. We dont dislike Blackmagic, they just don't make aything in the space that fits our personal needs. We haven't talked about the BM 6K FF on the chanel because when we tested the BM 6K FF against several cameras we found it had worse image quality than every other camera we had to test against it, including the Pocket 6k and 4k and its rolling shutter and noise performance were among some of the worst we've tested as well. It's not an aweful camera, but it was the worst of the cameras we had and I'd rather have a Pocket 4K, the image is SO much nicer IMO. Furthermore, the only reason we were doing tests with the 6K FF is because we had TWO people contact us and ask our opinion because after buying the cameras they felt the images did not match their expectations, especially at iso 3200. Don't misunderstand me, I love the Pocket 4K - it's one of my favorate cameras of all time, but I've out grown it. I enjoy the Ursa 4.6K G2 as well, but it doesnt suit the work I do and everyone I know who owns an Ursa has had hardware faults over time and dealers I've spoken to about Blackmagic equiptment have said similar. The Ursa Cine 12k looks like an awesome camera and it's one I can't wait to try. It's possibly the coolest camera coming out this year IMO.... but it's not in the same price class as the C400 and it's for a different type of shooter entirely because it's so large, runs through batteries quickly, only records RAW, and has no autofocus - Which is all fine, it's just not ideal for me at all, I'd like to rent it more than own it.
what about the R5 MK II as a rival? That shoots 12 bit raw, 10 bit XFAVC and seems to be a combination of the R5 and R5 C with better specs and things cleaned up a bit. Seems like a great B cam for this... I already have the R5 C so that will be my B Cam, but as far as new cams, it seems to lean heavy towards video while keeping their stellar photography specs
@@TheFilmGuyOfficialhow is the r5c not already the best hybrid B Cam option? It has canon cinema menus, higher dynamic range than the R5, a time code port, more cinema minded codec and container. It’s missing Clog2 in XF AVC but if you’re shooting raw it is decoded as clog2. Yes the battery life is questionable but if you’re using it as a B cam, I’m sure it has rails already rigged up for a V mount or you can use the tilta PD Handle and get 3-4+ hours of run time (5+ hours counting the internal battery)
@@Shellvedge generally you want to BCC mostly for interviews! I don’t want to shoot raw for interviews ! I feel like that’s just a waste of space. Also has terrible battery life , no Ibis and Has different base ISOs Honestly, Canon doesn’t have a great Bcam atm! The best might be the fx3 🤣
Did you get to test the higher bit rate 12bit recording options? Anything stand out that would make a better choice vs 10bit for regular commercial work?
@@MrMoviePhoneEx you get slightly more flexibility in a raw so if you are in tough lighting situations where you’re having to under expose you might get about a half more latitude in bringing back shadows. Other than that, if it’s just a commercial work where you’re in mostly controlled environments and you’re not dealing constantly with harsh light, you’re fine .
Hi there, similar to what Taylor says, you’ll get better fix ability with the 12bit especially for lighting temperature changes but the 10bit is very robust. RAW LT has approx the same runtime as the highest bitrate All-I 10bit. I’d normally do RAW 12+ bit for most commercials depending on what the deliverables are.
Did you encounter any backfocusing issues with the anamorphic and the ND-Stacks Canon mentionned this, and since backfocus is critical with anamorphic, I wonder how much of a problem it can be. Thanks for the review!
Yes at 8 and 10 stops of nd you will have your back focus change for par focal zooms and anamorphic lenses will get softer. It’s just the nature of how the extended nd range stacks filters.
Hi Guys, Thanks so much. Are you the ONLY non Canon-flag-waving, company song singing reviewer Canon loaned this camera to?? Honest reviews give so much more confidence to order, but Canon marketing don't seem to understand this yet, so most reviewers are afraid to say the S word...
Thanks! We obviously can't speak for other reviewers, but what I will say is that the Canon reps who visited with the C400 were very nice and helpful. They let us take the camera when really they didn't have to do that at all, they didn't ask to see the video before we posted and they seemed genuinly interested in what we had to say and I hope they include some of our feature requests going forward. With that said - Canon didn't choose to send us an R5ii to test before they were availbable to the general public even though we asked for one... But I don't think that was in response to this video at all, more that we only got a C400 because one crossed our paths and it seems Canon don't normally go out of their way to provide sample cameras, they rather loan out retail kits.
@@ShaneVanLitz Canon's influencer marketing may work on gen Z's, but IMHO the primary demographics of the people who'd buy a C400 want real reviews, not YT warriors rabbiting on above their pay grade. You provided one, thanks again.
couldn't you categorize the r5c as an fx3 direct competitor? It seem's like canon actually has more options across the line with the r5c, c70, and c400 than Sony does. Also the c70 has internal nd's which is a big plus. I'd be curious to know how Canon approaches competing with the fx9 in the future
@@Seangalusha we don’t see it as the same because it’s going to have different base ISOs and it’s not as useful as a B Cam because it doesn’t have Ibis and only does clog2 in raw! Which is terrible for interviews
Hey mate, did you get to testing AF in S&F mode? CVP's video a few weeks back was a bit confusing so I'm looking for confirmation - does the C400 drop AF completely when shooting S&F at 100/120p?
It would probably work fine for that! The Rolling shutter performance is decent! But keep in mind there’s a reason why most sports is shot on tiny broadcast sensors
Who knows, the cameras were announced after we did our testing. With that said I think the R1 might come close - but I wouldn’t be able to say for sure unless we got our hands on one. Even if the sensor is similar the processors are completely different.
@@rickyang9930 given those issues I would actually argue that the FX3 is a better Bcam 🤣 It’s incredibly fortunate that it’s not the same ecosystem, but it’s got flexible image and two of the same base ISO doesn’t overheat !
@@bentaylor4948 ha ha I can relate to that pain! I would never suggest it’s because it would be awful but definitely could sell your neighbours kidney 🤣❤️
The Komodo has an awesome and very flexible image that compares well with the Blackmagic pocket cameras. You can check out CineDs Lab Tests and compare our findings with theirs. Because we’ve now compared against the fx6, c500ii and c70 that should give you an idea of how it compares to any other camera they’ve tested, including the Komodo :) I’d say they’re a little more lenient with their shadow latitude numbers than I would personally be, but I’d guess the c70 and c400 are around 8stops of latitude with the c500ii and fx6 coming in closer to 7+ in my personal opinion before all cameras get too ugly to use IMO even with denoising. I hope that’s helpful!
@@RodrigouzMantono Honestly I’d say it depends! I’d take either tbh I feel like they’re very similar but do slightly different things well. On something more run and gun I’d pick the canon. If there were a larger team it’d be a harder choice and probably come down to lens choice and lighting requirements.
@@ShaneVanLitz you mentioned that canon cinema raw light wasn’t terrific. I’m curious if there is anything else lse behind this except file sizes and NLe playback. Are the colours not as manipulative compared to Braw or REDCODE
@@ryanpallotta5 it definitely has improved but Sony is still a lot better! I haven’t even played with the latest generation of Sony which apparently is a lot better than what I have on my fx6 But Sony is a lot more quick to respond and find what you’re trying to focus on. It also gives you a lot more control over the transition and sticky ness of the auto focus. Canon is still trying to play catch up
Sony still has a better ecosystem. The fx3, fx30 gives you b cam options that canon just doesn’t have. The R5ll is the only mirrorless that has clog 2 but it’s not a dedicated cinema camera and it’s 4299.
@@mbismbismb as good as this camera is we will have to see how Sony responds. Canon should’ve probably brought this out a year or two ago. It might be too little too late.
@@filmyardart you know what I agree with you! That’s why I added the text statement about it being subjective. We all get into a habit of how we shoot and Shane just shoots differently than us. That being said, Camera is shorter than an fx6 and the audio controls can feel a little bit cramped. We just wish it was an inch longer so that they would’ve kept an extra card slot
@@castielvargastv7931 in the grand scheme of things it’s not really that expensive if you’re doing corporate which we think this Camera is for you can get that in one gig.
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial but the cost is the same if you need to get a photo camera and another Cinema camera. And both camera shoots C-log 2 so they match.. and the sharpness also. The C70 + R5C is hard to match with Clog 3 on one and clog 2 on another.. and the sharpness difference is day and night. I own the R5C, R3 and two C70 right now.. and its a hassle to log everything around for every project.
@@baekmedier I guess it really depends what kind of photos you need to take! Surprisingly, I have use the FX3 for photo work and I’ve never had clients complain about the resolution. It’s only an issue if you need to start cropping
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial I use the R3 for the sport clients i have (only have a few) and for the places that has a lot of flickering as construction LED for those clients.. and just every other photo clients.. but for portraits and for product photos in studio i use the 45mp R5C (its a game changer for products..) But for video I normally only use the C70 (and two of them when filming interviews) Its really really a good setup and I love the resultat.. but my back 😝😅😆 not getting any younger here.. If ill get to try or rent the C400 + R1 at any point and the colors, sharpness (picture en general) match up.. im gonna sell it all to size Down a bit 😂🔥 for sure.
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Wow I really needed this style review. Finally someone with comparisons to the competitive cameras, thank you guys
@@JerseyQ glad it helped!
I’m selling my FX9 and lenses to go to the C400. It does it all in such a small package while giving you Burano performance and even more in some areas. Just amazing. Also getting the 24-105 2.8, dream combo really.
@@sa.t.2507 it’s definitely a hard Camera to turn down. I would say that the sony burano has more flexible image but it has less dynamic range in the high iso. I think Sony dropped the ball with that Camera.
Both myself and Shane are likely moving over to the C400
I have a C400 preorder in place, but I keep in mind that Sony is rumored to have an FX9 successor announcement to make next month. Unless Sony decides to put some extra pricing pressure on Canon, it might cost another (US) $3k or $4k more, but depending on the price and specs I’m guessing for now I will end up with the next Sony. Time will tell.
@@waveland I’m not waiting to find out though. My FX9 is hard to sell as is and will be worthless as it looks now once Sony releases new cameras. I’m done with Sony, the C400 does everything I need for the nest 7-8 years, that’s how long my FS7 served me.
@@sa.t.2507 The C400 doesn’t start shipping until sometime in September or October (no firm dates have been set yet), so if you don’t have a preorder in yet then you might not see a camera till the end of this year or into 2025 depending on how quickly Canon can turn them out. That’s why I’m keeping my options open. If Sony can roll out a comparable camera sooner then I will probably head in that direction instead since Sony is the go-to brand for agency work in my area anyway. Let’s see how it goes.
@@waveland For me the brand dosen’t give less or more work really. I earn about 150k per year either way. I managed to get hold of a C200 while waiting for the C400, and I get to borrow it for free while waiting.
Got in the line for C400 in the middle of June at CVP. Hoping for the best.
I can’t continue using the FX9, it just dosen’t fit my style of work. It produces an amazing image though. But it has so many compromises. And once MKII is announced I will have lost most of its worth, so I better get it sold now ASAP before new cameras hit the market.
Something else we forgot to mention is I’d love to see a highlight recovery option added to Canons RAW!
killer review well done! I'm an R5C owner with a ton of RF lenses now so it looks like the C400 will be my next camera!
Thanks I’m glad you liked it
that's funny, you're the first person I saw who liked the audio on the back. I own the C500 II and I hate that the audio is on the back.
@@LonzosStudios Taylor here! Yeah, I disagree with Shane on this one, which is why I added the text on screen at the time.
Maybe he’s used to it, but I genuinely like having everything on the same side! I wish they made it a little little bit longer so we could’ve kept the extra card slot
Yeah that's fair enough, I just like it less cramped!
C70 / C300mkIII owner. This video convinced me to keep that combination. The super 35 sensor is something special. Thanks
It’s a good combo - Nothing wrong with it!
@@joshfromwellington9225
Glad we could help !
Yea, looks like the C70 have better dynamic range than both c400 and c500 ii
@@Angelo_Paduraru We only tested latitude, you’ll have to wait for CineD for a dynamic range number, but it’s certainly got cleaner shadows but personally when I was testing with denoising I found both the c400 and c70 were in my opinion both unusable at -5. So I don’t think it’s a full stop better.
@@Angelo_Paduraru in the shadows absolutely!
As a fellow S1H user (great to see someone appreciate this underrated camera), I am very excited for the Canon C400. Seems almost like a perfect camera for me, I'm a bit tired of rigging up my mirrorless to be a fully functional documentary workhorse, plus I definitely need something with faster readout speeds than my S1H at some point. And while the C400 might not be completely on par with the FX6 in that last regard, it's still a huge improvement compared to the S1H - and as you said: it does almost everything else better than the FX6.
@@janisbrod we cut it from the video as we plan to talk more about it in the future video, but we did actually test the S1h also!
We think it has less dynamic range, but it actually has more latitude in terms of how flexible the image is and how smooth the highlights rolls off. Panasonic are doing some magic!
I’ll let Shane respond to you regarding everything else !
Totally agreed! We did a quick latitude test for the s1h and it was actually the best performer of the cameras we tested by a stop 😅 but with that said I have normally gotten better footage when using the c500ii so I have no doubts that, while the c400 isn’t the best camera on the planet, it does a lot right. It’d make most people pretty happy for most projects. I’ll probably hang on to my s1h for gimbal stuff for the time being though!
Great video guys. Long term Fx6/A7siii user here and looking to switch to this and R5ii. This video has helped to inform that decision. Keep up the great channel.
@@bencherry5038 thank you. I am looking to do the same although I’m probably going to hold onto my FX3 as a Bcam
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial How about the r5c as a b-cam to the c400 ?
@@BensonIbe it depends what you view as a Bcam!
The reason why the fx3/fx6 work so well together as they have the same sensor and the same log and the same iOS.
On top of This the fx3 has IBIS which makes it fantastic for handheld shooting and running and gun stuff!
My big issue with the R5c is you only get clog 1 in raw which makes it bad for interview matching! And no Ibis!
It also has bad battery life, which means that it’s not good for running around with unless you rig it!
@@TheFilmGuyOfficialthe R5C has clog1 and clog3 in camera and when shooting RAW you can debayer to those 2 and clog2. Not sure where you got the idea it only has clog 1.
@@cinnabun1046 I meant it doesn’t naturally have clog2 and shooting raw for interviews is a problem
Excellent channel guys, keep up the good work, you have a new sub, a hug from Buenos Aires Argentina 🇦🇷
Greetings and thanks!!
Welcome aboard!
...the automatic base iso could be improved, too. It would be nice, if the Base Iso switches to the nearest base iso instead to change when you reach or pass a base iso. That would deliver always an image with less noise....It would be great, to have that option
Yup. Really not sure why auto works the way it does.
@@brmoogma I don’t know if there’s an option because I didn’t have time to check but on the fx6
You can trigger to just bounce between the base iso with a button !
I think this would be how I would be shooting 95% of the time
Well said Cinema Jesus!
@@tw06le1 I believe that Jarrad Leto! Shane is just Shane 🤣
May I ask: Can you switch between the base ISO’s by pressing the ISO button (one press switches to the next base ISO)?
We'll have to check next time we get hands on!
wow exact what i wanted to know! thanksss
@@JanAndhisfiets I’m glad this was helpful for you!
Nice job covering a lot of testing ground in your few hours of hands on, and the comparisons with the FX6 are very helpful. Thank you. And at the moment (late July 2024) the C400 seems like the best cine-body camera in its price bracket. Though there seems to be persistent rumblings that the next FX9 will be announced from Sony in the next few weeks and come the Fall, Canon may have fallen behind again. So at the moment I have a C400 preorder in place, but it’s very tentative until I know what Sony has up its sleeve.
I personally don’t think Sony will be able to get enough dynamic range to catch up in just one camera release, maybe a stop if we’re lucky… but that said that’s not the only important thing about a camera and they’re still obviously great cameras and they do normally still have great latitude even if the maximum range is a little lower. Time will tell, I’m just happy we’ve got some new exciting cameras coming after such a long time of just seeing recycled sensors in new bodies!
No digital IS in RAW, unless something changed. Crazy how the C70 still is the most organic & cinematic camera Canon has, should have made a FF version.
Good work lads 👍🎥
@@KennedyboyProductions thanks Chris!!
Thanks!
Great work bud!! Good point about a (B) camera similar to the FX6/FX3 combo. I wonder if that "other" cine cam is going to be higher end or maybe a C70 replacement in FF to compliment the C400? As a Canon shooter I am pumped.
@@scottievee7467 we aren’t convinced it’s going to happen. Canon have a history of not making good bcams.
Shane is going to use his S1H as a Bcam. I’m probably going to keep my fx3 for now!
I wonder if Canon will transform the R5C into a cine line C50. Lose the shutter, add some I/O, keep the processor. That would compete very successfully against an FX3.
Unfortunately I think Canon are still in the business of selling individual cameras to consumers whereas Sony sell you an ecosystem.
@@ShaneVanLitz Canon have been laggards in many ways and I would have to agree I don’t see much evidence their strategy has changed. And look at the R1 as a different example, a camera spec’d and built in a vacuum. Some fascinating AF tweaks for sports (that serve very few users) but in no way groundbreaking or outstanding. The C400 was a nice surprise because of the lower price but yes, it will probably be an orphan in the lineup.
@@waveland haha indeed but time will tell. Hopefully we see like an R6c with the same sensor down the line!
Interesting to see the c70ii and also the FX6ii have to offer
But bravo to Canon
I feel like we’re emerging from the camera stagnation we were in for nearly 3 years haha! Exciting times for anyone thinking about upgrading.
I'm really hoping this will cause the C300 Mark III price to go down, because I won't really be able to afford the C400 for a long time.
I've not been checking ont he C300iii but I have seen some good prices on C70s lately so you may be in luck!
I work in wildlife and nature documentaries. We often use the fx6 to 80,000-160,000 iso, we of course have to clean it up but I am really intrigued to know how well the C400 holds up in comparison to the FX6 at these extreme iso levels
we didnt test that far haha. but im guessing it would be better for the same reasons the isos are better, more res means smaller noise.
Crazy how digital looking the fx6 image looks..that said I still like the C70 image better. It's more interesting, more organic than the c400
I agree! I think that's the difference between latitude and dynamic range. The latitude of all these cameras may be similar, but the total tonal range in a properly exposed image still counts for something IMO and that's where the FX6 falls behind a little! I personally preffer the sharper full frame 6K images to the C70 though but each to their own!
@@Makta972 I don’t disagree. I am a long-term Sony Shooter but I’ve been noticing more and more how weird skin looks on Sony cameras. It’s almost like they’re using some kind of digital make up filter and the skin looks fake.
I've used the C70 since launch, and love it, but I do sometimes worry the image is soft compared to the competition. That said it's not like a client has ever said that, it's just knowing that Sony is the norm here in the UK, and they are much crispier and more digital looking images, so it is kind of seen as a baseline for 'normal'. I'd take the C70 image over the FX6, but the FX6 here is so ubiquitous I feel like I'm missing out by sticking with Canon.
@@matadormartin I have been pondering making a video about this for awhile and Shane would probably disagree but a lot of gear buying is ego driven at the end of the day I don’t think clients care about Sony versus Canon color. They just want their story well told and things to be lit properly. It’s not like either brand has colours way off. It’s just small differences.
Use whatever Camera will get you the most amount of work and make your life easy don’t go for ego.
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial Yeah I suppose there is all that weird RUclips stuff about one camera KILLS another and whatever else, and Sony or Canon 'fanboys' etc etc. When the reality is that the producers, production houses, distributors, platforms, channels, and audiences out there couldn't care less.
That´s a great review really. I have a kind of niche-question: I own the C70 and a R6ii for documentary and TV run and gun- I want ti update one of them. Would you exchange the R6ii with the R5ii or the C70 with the C400?
That’s up to you! I’d look at getting a b camera with the same log profiles as the a camera to start with so like you say the R5ii fits the bill but I’d be very cautious about overheating for documentary work! I think the c70
Is a great camera and might even make for a great b camera if you could keep it?
Awesome Review!
@@legacymediatv526 glad you enjoyed!!
" We think Canon should release a FX3 Competitor"
- Canon C80 comes out -
now we actually think the c80 is the fx6 competitor and the c400 is the fx9 competitor.
I’m selling my R5c for the C400. I’m still going to keep my R6 mk ii for photography and as a B cam with a Ninja V+.
Good upgrade. Clog 2 alone is worth it
@@Makta972 I think that sounds like a good plan
I was considering that move but the colors on the R5C are way better than the R6mkII, the Cinema line colors just look more pleasant to me. I'm thinking I should keep my R5C as a B cam to a C400.
I am also considering the same thing. sell my r6 mk ii for the c400 and use the r5c as a b-cam
Try the 6K ProRes RAW from the R6 mk ii to a Ninja V+ - that gives me colors about as good as the R5c, and is way better than the inbuilt Clog3 codecs.
Canon seems to already have a compact mirrorless camera with the same sensor as the c400, the r3. The sensor specs seem to be identical including the 3 base ISOs each 2 stops away from each other.
The r3 does have a very similar sensor but its performance doesn’t seem to be anywhere near the c400 especially at 3200 and 12800 iso from all the testing I’ve seen… That said, an R3C would be an interesting idea indeed.
I am a Canon user and the FX3 alone makes me what to switch. I have a C70 as my A Cam and the R5C as by B cam maybe running the C400 as an A cam and the C70 as my B cam will fix a lot of the issues I currently have.
not a bad way to go!
Around 3:50, are the cameras marked incorrectly? The top image is so much better all around than the bottom one, but you mention the bottom image is the C400. I can kind of see what you're saying if it's strictly going on dynamic range as the blacks are slightly darker, but it loses color information so much faster than the top image and becomes basically unusable very quickly.
Hey mate, no they’re not! And that colour information looks like it’s gone on the canon but it’s not if we increase saturation it’s all there and it comes back! We find the Canon has a gradual fall off with the Sony drop off a cliff! If that makes sense.
It's also very deceptive on RUclips with the compression etc. We're looking at ways to better show these if we do more in the future. Rest assured though, neither camera is what I would call usable at those extremes (+5 and +6 were IMO not salvagable on any of the cameras we tested, even if they look pretty OK here after all the compression) and the C400 is much nicer all the way untill they both fall off a cliff.
Thanks for this. The C400 looks to be a winner, but I have to say I think in real practical terms there isn't much I could do with it that I don't already do with my C70. In a way a C400 and R5ii combo seems like the current best option from Canon, but I'm sureI would miss the size of my C70 given you still have ND's up to 10 stops.
@@matadormartin it may sound sacrilegious but I’m considering a C400 with a Sony fx3 as a Bcam 🤣
Nice Review! I wanted to see how the camera performs comparing to the other Canon C cameras. This looks like a pretty solid camera to me. I am getting more and more tempted to upgrade from my C300.
I personally disagree on the Canon needs their fx3 b cam segment. YOu gotta remember that the R5C is a Hybrid camera. I use and own the R5C as bcam and find it a fantastic tool. Great colours, great exposure tools (which Sony doesn't have, not even on the fx6!) , it's a great hybrid camera with amazing photo features, different flavours of codecs, Timecode, RAW (if you ever need it) and a decent 8K resolution image.Yes, the R5C doesn't have IBIS but...frankly, If I want to get smooth shots I mount the camera on a gimbal which is kind of what I bought it for. And if I wanna go handheld I would opt for a bigger camera everyday of the week, so then I will pick my A cam for that. I personally think IBIS is a nice feature if you a running around with a mirrorless with not time to set up...but that's kind of it. And tbf yeah ,the battery life on the R5C is terrible but I can't conceive running a bcam without an alternative power supply anyway, specially when filming interviews. I have an Fx lion Nano to power the camera and it gives me like 3-4 hours of shooting none stop so problem solved. SOmetimes I run the cam on a gimbal with the battery on my pocket connected via USB-c. But the Fx3 in the other hand has better sound solution, and of course IBIS and better battery life which is nice. Both cameras have their pros and cons and they are both fantastic tools but I don't see them "killing" or making irrelevant the other. However I think Canon has to chill out with the prices, that's what makes their cameras a bit more unattractive. So it's nice to see that C400 coming out at a more competitive price.
Each to their own! I don’t personally think the R5C is as good a pairing as the FX3 is to the FX6 and especially not for the money, but I don’t think it’s a bad camera. I’d just like to see a similar sensor, isos and log profiles with ibis and timecode at around R5ii or R3 pricing. I think that’d fit the bill far better than anything they currently have.
@@ShaneVanLitz yeah, I guess they both have slog 3 and similar DR
@@marcobeyermann3435 yup, and if you’re supplying footage to a production company they probably won’t see a difference in workflow between the fx3 and fx6 if for example you’re doing an interview a and b cam setup that’s not RAW, a situation that’s super common. That simplifies their post and makes you a slightly easier rehire in the future. Really as simple as that. The cameras match easier. Of course when you’re going direct to client yourself and it’s only your time then that’s for you to decide how important it is. I’d certainly like things to match easier given the option, time is money and I don’t feel canon have a perfect bcam right now, although of course some come close and will do the job - there’s just room for improvement.
@@ShaneVanLitzfx3 & fx6 are the same thing just one is reskinned
@@TJ-po9ol I know...?
so did you say that at 4K 60 camera oversample from 6K but above that frame rate is line skipped? I shoot most of my weddings with an R6 II and a C70 in 4K60 I was considering the R5 Mark II but after a lot of research it seems the 4K 60 is line skipped, AF works better on the R6 II than the C70, but I really like C-Log 2 on it, thing that I don't have on the R6 II, since the R5 II + xtra fan for cooling + xtra batteries and media + unnecessary stress about if its gonna overheat in some conditions will be close in price, I think picking the C400 + peace of mind cause it won't overheat its a better deal, well time will tell after both are tested. in the meantime I'll patiently wait.
@@EliasLopez that is correct and if you’re shooting weddings, I can’t recommend you get the new R5. You need a Camera that you can rely on and if it’s going to overheat, you’re going to miss shots and you might be liable.
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial I’ve been looking at some of the DSMC2 and I remember 5 years ago the Dragon-X 6K was my dream camera but the outrageous price wouldn’t let me get it, until now they starting to pop up in a ready to shoot package for like $6k dls, I’ve been considering picking up one of these for my next project this weekend and see how it performs, but I’m sacrificing AF, internal NDs, portability and some other features for Red image quality, some say it’s worth it so, I don’t know
@@EliasLopez not a bad way to go at all!
You are right but I do think that the r5ii has 4k60 down sampled from the 8k if you select the high quality 4K ‘fine’ setting. But it also skips lines for anything above 60p and the camera has overheating issues apparently like Taylor mentioned.
@@ShaneVanLitz nobody knows this yet, the only info that confirms this is the one I’ve found in the actual canon manual, where it shows that 4K HQ Fine it’s only available at 30fps max, the R1 does over sample from 6K and it shows it on the manual as 4K 60 with HQ Fine option, might as well just get the C-400 with internal NDs and all of the codec flavors and hoping a firmware update improves AF like on the C-70, even though after some research I’ve done C400 AF looks better than the C70 but not as good as the new R5 Mark II and R1, we’ll see.
As a C70 owner, these points hit hard because I thought it was worth it to go full frame with the advantage in frame rates and various resolutions, plus the professional cinema body user experience. However, seeing that there’s not a big difference in dynamic range makes me reconsider what to do now. 😭
@@nes.torfernandez the c70 punches above its weight!!
Actually there is a big difference in DR, just it's the c70 that has much more :)
@@noahyv I mean watch the video it’s there but it’s not massive!
@@noahyvhonestly, having pixel peeped on the tests before we uploaded to RUclips, I’d say there’s less than half a stop more in the c70. Both the c400 and c70 did not recover past -4 stops in my opinion, but the c70 did look a little nicer at -4. I wouldn’t call that a lot given you get full frame and 12800 iso in exchange.
c70 + speedbooster = gold
It’s pretty great but you loose the AF and the lowlight in the c400 is insane
@@TheFilmGuyOfficialYou don’t lose the AF on the C70 with the canon speed booster
@@TJ-po9ol yes I forgot about that sorry! You get 70% coverage! I moved to a viltrox speedbooster because the canon one that’s the purple flair issue
Taylor, thanks for the interesting comparison. I wonder why you, as an Australian, aren't more interested in Blackmagic cameras and not only the Japanese ones. Canon C400 is a nice camera at a very good price but once you are forced to use Canon lenses it is not that cheap any more (smart strategy from Canon). As far as I could see, Blackmagic 6K FF (same as Pyxis) has better image quality than the C400. I understand that the Blackmagic FF is not that good in low light, the rolling shutter speed is slow and it is much less functional than the C400 (for run & gun, etc), but in terms of image quality, it seems to me that the BM 6K FF is more organic, has better color rendition and better high light roll-off. C400 has the 'Canon look' which is nice but it's a more corporate/tv look in my opinion. C400 is going to be very good for doc/commercial/tv/corporate, run & gun, solo fast-pace operation, but Blackmagic, with its 6K FF (Pyxis) and coming Cine 12K, is offering an image quality that is superior to the Canon and Sony offerings under $10K. So I am curious why you, as an Australian, aren't more interested in Blackmagic cameras. I am looking forward to someone doing a proper comparison between the C400 and the BM 6K FF (Pyxis), I think people is going to be surprised with the side by side results (as many were when they compared the BM 6K FF with the RED Komodo OG).
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Hey interesting comment. I’m not going to buy a camera just because I am from a country that produces it. That is silly!
I also have a long history with Blackmagic and love their pocket 4K,6k but there other cameras have pretty much all have had issues.
I haven’t shot with the pyxis but I have shot with the full frame 6K and found it to be pretty awful to work with. It’s so inconsistent and unforgiving in terms of information in the shadows Banding and fixed pat noise but also terrible rolling shutter! It was basically unusable if you weren’t on the first base ISO. these camera uses the same sensor and has all the same limitations.
It also has no AF, NO NDs, limited frame rates, less dynamic range and likely worse build quality ,no screen , no 10bit.
It seems like it’s going to be a dud because of the terrible sensor implementation.
With all that said the 17 K frame looks bloody impressive and I would love one but obviously it’s $25,000 Australian and design for Man shooters.
And I’d still be worried about the build quality because it’s Blackmagic, which is unfortunate.
I know multiple people whom have owned upwards of 3x ursa Mini g2s because they kept breaking.
At the end of the day, you shouldn’t be loyal to a brand you should be chasing Whoever is giving you what you need to make money.
Sorry, only saw this one now and wanted to say I agree with Taylor here. We dont dislike Blackmagic, they just don't make aything in the space that fits our personal needs. We haven't talked about the BM 6K FF on the chanel because when we tested the BM 6K FF against several cameras we found it had worse image quality than every other camera we had to test against it, including the Pocket 6k and 4k and its rolling shutter and noise performance were among some of the worst we've tested as well. It's not an aweful camera, but it was the worst of the cameras we had and I'd rather have a Pocket 4K, the image is SO much nicer IMO. Furthermore, the only reason we were doing tests with the 6K FF is because we had TWO people contact us and ask our opinion because after buying the cameras they felt the images did not match their expectations, especially at iso 3200. Don't misunderstand me, I love the Pocket 4K - it's one of my favorate cameras of all time, but I've out grown it. I enjoy the Ursa 4.6K G2 as well, but it doesnt suit the work I do and everyone I know who owns an Ursa has had hardware faults over time and dealers I've spoken to about Blackmagic equiptment have said similar. The Ursa Cine 12k looks like an awesome camera and it's one I can't wait to try. It's possibly the coolest camera coming out this year IMO.... but it's not in the same price class as the C400 and it's for a different type of shooter entirely because it's so large, runs through batteries quickly, only records RAW, and has no autofocus - Which is all fine, it's just not ideal for me at all, I'd like to rent it more than own it.
I think c70/80 is direct competitor to fx6, not c400.
look at when the vidoe was posted haha
Solid camera. Does the 12800 on the C400 have internal noise reduction applied? Or were they both off on the C400 and FX6?
@@Dano-Media we left them on default settings on both cameras as that’s how most people are going to shoot!
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial got it, thanks!
what about the R5 MK II as a rival? That shoots 12 bit raw, 10 bit XFAVC and seems to be a combination of the R5 and R5 C with better specs and things cleaned up a bit.
Seems like a great B cam for this... I already have the R5 C so that will be my B Cam, but as far as new cams, it seems to lean heavy towards video while keeping their stellar photography specs
It overheats even with the fan grip and doesn’t have the same iso range. At least it finally has Clog 2 though!
I agree with what Shane has said. I don’t think it’s a suitable Bcam because of the same reasons!
@@TheFilmGuyOfficialhow is the r5c not already the best hybrid B Cam option? It has canon cinema menus, higher dynamic range than the R5, a time code port, more cinema minded codec and container.
It’s missing Clog2 in XF AVC but if you’re shooting raw it is decoded as clog2.
Yes the battery life is questionable but if you’re using it as a B cam, I’m sure it has rails already rigged up for a V mount or you can use the tilta PD Handle and get 3-4+ hours of run time (5+ hours counting the internal battery)
@@Shellvedge generally you want to BCC mostly for interviews!
I don’t want to shoot raw for interviews ! I feel like that’s just a waste of space.
Also has terrible battery life , no Ibis and Has different base ISOs
Honestly, Canon doesn’t have a great Bcam atm! The best might be the fx3 🤣
@@Shellvedgedeffo comes down to lack of ibis, CLOG2 XFAVC, Battery life and isos for me.
Did you get to test the higher bit rate 12bit recording options? Anything stand out that would make a better choice vs 10bit for regular commercial work?
@@MrMoviePhoneEx you get slightly more flexibility in a raw so if you are in tough lighting situations where you’re having to under expose you might get about a half more latitude in bringing back shadows.
Other than that, if it’s just a commercial work where you’re in mostly controlled environments and you’re not dealing constantly with harsh light, you’re fine .
Hi there, similar to what Taylor says, you’ll get better fix ability with the 12bit especially for lighting temperature changes but the 10bit is very robust. RAW LT has approx the same runtime as the highest bitrate All-I 10bit. I’d normally do RAW 12+ bit for most commercials depending on what the deliverables are.
Did you encounter any backfocusing issues with the anamorphic and the ND-Stacks
Canon mentionned this, and since backfocus is critical with anamorphic, I wonder how much of a problem it can be.
Thanks for the review!
@@Horizons_Roses it would only be an issue at 10 stops and unfortunately we never needed to go that high!
Yes at 8 and 10 stops of nd you will have your back focus change for par focal zooms and anamorphic lenses will get softer. It’s just the nature of how the extended nd range stacks filters.
Hi Guys,
Thanks so much. Are you the ONLY non Canon-flag-waving, company song singing reviewer Canon loaned this camera to??
Honest reviews give so much more confidence to order, but Canon marketing don't seem to understand this yet, so most reviewers are afraid to say the S word...
Thanks! We obviously can't speak for other reviewers, but what I will say is that the Canon reps who visited with the C400 were very nice and helpful. They let us take the camera when really they didn't have to do that at all, they didn't ask to see the video before we posted and they seemed genuinly interested in what we had to say and I hope they include some of our feature requests going forward. With that said - Canon didn't choose to send us an R5ii to test before they were availbable to the general public even though we asked for one... But I don't think that was in response to this video at all, more that we only got a C400 because one crossed our paths and it seems Canon don't normally go out of their way to provide sample cameras, they rather loan out retail kits.
@@ShaneVanLitz Canon's influencer marketing may work on gen Z's, but IMHO the primary demographics of the people who'd buy a C400 want real reviews, not YT warriors rabbiting on above their pay grade. You provided one, thanks again.
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couldn't you categorize the r5c as an fx3 direct competitor? It seem's like canon actually has more options across the line with the r5c, c70, and c400 than Sony does. Also the c70 has internal nd's which is a big plus. I'd be curious to know how Canon approaches competing with the fx9 in the future
@@Seangalusha we don’t see it as the same because it’s going to have different base ISOs and it’s not as useful as a B Cam because it doesn’t have Ibis and only does clog2 in raw! Which is terrible for interviews
@@TheFilmGuyOfficialno real cinema cameras have ibis
@@TJ-po9ol nether of them are “real” cinima cameras
Hey mate, did you get to testing AF in S&F mode?
CVP's video a few weeks back was a bit confusing so I'm looking for confirmation - does the C400 drop AF completely when shooting S&F at 100/120p?
I think the shot of the horse running towards the camera may have been AF at 120p - but I'm really not sure in hindsight sorry.
@@ShaneVanLitz No worries. I'm sure it will come in a firmware update like the C70, just a bummer there isn't more info around.
What about using the C400 for sports?
It would probably work fine for that! The Rolling shutter performance is decent!
But keep in mind there’s a reason why most sports is shot on tiny broadcast sensors
How does this image compare with the R1 or R5ii. Is it superior or not?
Who knows, the cameras were announced after we did our testing. With that said I think the R1 might come close - but I wouldn’t be able to say for sure unless we got our hands on one. Even if the sensor is similar the processors are completely different.
R5ii will be the best b cam for C400, but I'm still worried about the overheating issue.
Yup, overheating and no 12,800 or 3200 native ISOs. Closest we've got for now though!
@@rickyang9930 given those issues I would actually argue that the FX3 is a better Bcam 🤣
It’s incredibly fortunate that it’s not the same ecosystem, but it’s got flexible image and two of the same base ISO doesn’t overheat !
Watching this knowing I have no where near the funds for such a camera… good content tho
I have no funds or clientele lol
@@bentaylor4948 ha ha I can relate to that pain! I would never suggest it’s because it would be awful but definitely could sell your neighbours kidney 🤣❤️
Does the 400 have any anamorphic desqueeze? I got 1.8x rf lenses.
@@drakewhelton yes but only 1.3x, 1.8x, 2x built in currently
How does the dynamic range compare to a Komodo.
The Komodo has an awesome and very flexible image that compares well with the Blackmagic pocket cameras. You can check out CineDs Lab Tests and compare our findings with theirs. Because we’ve now compared against the fx6, c500ii and c70 that should give you an idea of how it compares to any other camera they’ve tested, including the Komodo :) I’d say they’re a little more lenient with their shadow latitude numbers than I would personally be, but I’d guess the c70 and c400 are around 8stops of latitude with the c500ii and fx6 coming in closer to 7+ in my personal opinion before all cameras get too ugly to use IMO even with denoising. I hope that’s helpful!
What Shane said!!
@@ShaneVanLitz if you where shooting a feature and had to pick one or the other, which would it be? (With audio handled externally)
@@RodrigouzMantono Honestly I’d say it depends! I’d take either tbh I feel like they’re very similar but do slightly different things well. On something more run and gun I’d pick the canon. If there were a larger team it’d be a harder choice and probably come down to lens choice and lighting requirements.
@@ShaneVanLitz you mentioned that canon cinema raw light wasn’t terrific.
I’m curious if there is anything else lse behind this except file sizes and NLe playback.
Are the colours not as manipulative compared to Braw or REDCODE
How far off is autofocus from Sony? Has it improved?
@@ryanpallotta5 it definitely has improved but Sony is still a lot better!
I haven’t even played with the latest generation of Sony which apparently is a lot better than what I have on my fx6
But Sony is a lot more quick to respond and find what you’re trying to focus on. It also gives you a lot more control over the transition and sticky ness of the auto focus.
Canon is still trying to play catch up
Damn hopefully with some firmware it gets better. The sensor and image should be cleaner than the fx6 I’m assuming
@@ryanpallotta5 watch the video and we answer that!! 😊
RIP SONY
Sony still has a better ecosystem. The fx3, fx30 gives you b cam options that canon just doesn’t have. The R5ll is the only mirrorless that has clog 2 but it’s not a dedicated cinema camera and it’s 4299.
@@d.edwardsfreelanceeditorvi4212 good point! I hope Canon catches up regarding differently sized cameras that match each other.
@@mbismbismb as good as this camera is we will have to see how Sony responds. Canon should’ve probably brought this out a year or two ago. It might be too little too late.
@@d.edwardsfreelanceeditorvi4212 totally agree. Sony sell you an ecosystem when canon still sell you one camera at a time.
@@d.edwardsfreelanceeditorvi4212 if u want a clog2 can go get an r5c at least... canon has their market segmented very well unlike sony, so vague
so funny i think is great to have the audio controlls an the other side i use the c500 every week and i wish itwould be on the other side
@@filmyardart you know what I agree with you! That’s why I added the text statement about it being subjective. We all get into a habit of how we shoot and Shane just shoots differently than us.
That being said, Camera is shorter than an fx6 and the audio controls can feel a little bit cramped.
We just wish it was an inch longer so that they would’ve kept an extra card slot
Definitely just a preference thing given the size of the bodies I think!
Where i live c400 is 3000! More expensive than a fx6. Thats a lot
@@castielvargastv7931 in the grand scheme of things it’s not really that expensive if you’re doing corporate which we think this Camera is for you can get that in one gig.
It is a bit more expensive that's true... but it's also a lot more camera for the money right now. Internal RAW alone is worth it IMO.
B cam would maybe be the R1 - 24 mp BSI sensor to the C400 - 26MP BSI sensor both in C-log 2
@@baekmedier yeah, it’s a pretty expensive Bcam tho and certainly not an ideal shape for Gimbal work!
But clog 2 is an issue!
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial but the cost is the same if you need to get a photo camera and another Cinema camera.
And both camera shoots C-log 2 so they match.. and the sharpness also.
The C70 + R5C is hard to match with Clog 3 on one and clog 2 on another.. and the sharpness difference is day and night.
I own the R5C, R3 and two C70 right now.. and its a hassle to log everything around for every project.
@@baekmedier I guess it really depends what kind of photos you need to take!
Surprisingly, I have use the FX3 for photo work and I’ve never had clients complain about the resolution. It’s only an issue if you need to start cropping
@@TheFilmGuyOfficial I use the R3 for the sport clients i have (only have a few) and for the places that has a lot of flickering as construction LED for those clients.. and just every other photo clients.. but for portraits and for product photos in studio i use the 45mp R5C (its a game changer for products..)
But for video I normally only use the C70 (and two of them when filming interviews)
Its really really a good setup and I love the resultat.. but my back 😝😅😆 not getting any younger here..
If ill get to try or rent the C400 + R1 at any point and the colors, sharpness (picture en general) match up.. im gonna sell it all to size Down a bit 😂🔥 for sure.
@@baekmedier ha ha I can relate to that for sure! I think a lot of us are leaving towards smaller cameras for that reason
r5c ?
for bcam? you have to shoot raw for clog 2 which is bad for interviews, not the same base isos and no ibis also has terrible battery life.
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@@poldivina 🤣