Best if 2023 DAC/Streamer Edition! Annual Cheap Audio Man Awards
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Eversolo DMPA6 amzn.to/413kdt1
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WIIM Mini amzn.to/33CL99w
Bluesound Node shop-links.co/cgGiqJ2UFIO
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Around $100 (These prices will fluctuate between $75 - $150)
Sony SSCS5 - Lively amzn.to/3pZNnGk
Neumi BS5 -Neutral amzn.to/3q0SR3B
Elac BS41 amzn.to/3SBmEgq
Around $200
Emotiva Airmotiv B1+ - Crystal Clear and Punchy emotiva.com?aff=9
Jamo Concert howl.me/cf295uVQJA0
Elac Debut b5.2 - Neutral amzn.to/2WPNQxw
JBL Stage A130 - Neutral/Great All Arounder at $179 the best value amzn.to/3t7gOHe
Around $400
Emotiva B2+ emotiva.com?aff=9
Jamo C93ii Bit - Boosted on Top howl.me/cf295uVQJA0
Q Acoustics 3030i - Neutral with Punch - amzn.to/2OQkpLo
Around $500
SVS Prime bit.ly/2LozJgF
Wharfedale Diamond 12.2 bit.ly/2ZckoD9
Wharfedale Denton 80th amzn.to/3Sv8RIq
Around $600
Elac Uni-Fi UB5.2 - Neutral amzn.to/3s3srPG
Elac Debut Reference - Buttery but Detailed amzn.to/39bt6WC
Polk Reserve R100/200 howl.me/cf29UeQAWsD
Aperion Novus - Neutral and probably the best desktop speaker one can get $599 bit.ly/2Q1H9rW
Aperion Novus Open Box $449 bit.ly/3us8zGx
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Aiyima A07 - Neutral and Full amzn.to/3g9YLNf
Fosi Audio V3 - Extremely Clean - Audiophile Sound (Best Amp under $250) amzn.to/3rhrpDL
Fosi Audio TB10D amzn.to/43cJtwh
Fosi Audio BT20a Pro amzn.to/3r8pgdH
Around $130
Aiyima T9 amzn.to/3F8eOb6
Around $250
SMSL DA-9 Balanced Amp amzn.to/34SdbLs
Around $400
Emotiva TA1 - DAC, Phono Stage, Pre Outs - Balanced and Tasty emotiva.com?aff=9
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Geshelli Labs J2 geshelli.com/product/jnog2/
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Emotiva SE8 emotiva.com?aff=9
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Love your channel. How does the smsl AO200 mkii compare to the ds200? I just got mine setup today and it blows away my Denon 3700H for stereo music. I hear it sounds top notch with the SU-1 DAC, but I haven’t tried it out with that yet. I had some RSL CG25s laying around that I didn’t like, but with this little device they finally sound good (they sounded muddy on my AV receiver but came to life and sound great with the AO200 mkii). So far I’m playing music over Bluetooth, which I know isn’t the best but honestly sounds far better than my old fluance ai60s (powered speakers).
One evening in 1976 I will always remember fondly because that's when I visited Crazy Eddie in Syosset, LI and came home with 40 wpc of Marantz Technics and Cerwin Vega. As with so many, 2020 got me back to revisiting stereo and by good luck Mr Randall was there to inform about inexpensive stand-alone DACs, coaxial RCAs, and phono pre-amps. Who knew what a huge difference those small items make? I didn't. Cheapaudioman hooked me with his humor but turned out he's a world's greatest teacher! Many thanks.
His sense of humor got me interested, too, but his knowledge and perspective kept me in it. I don’t have experience with legends in the industry. You were, indeed, quite fortunate. I mean it when I say, thank you for sharing.
Totally agree with the Wiim 👍
Can’t get much more for the money. I use my Wiim Pro with a Soekris DAC1321 R2R dac…great sound, easy to use for this combo.
Glad to see the DL200 featured, completely agree with your assessment, I picked up one of these for my desktop setup couple months ago to better drive my HifiMan 400SEs. Upgraded to a Pentacon cable and very happy with the results. Thanks for all the recommendations Randy!
Holy moses I caught it right at kickoff! Timing is everything💪
Randy, just wanted to say thanks in a big way. Just set up my first system, heavily influenced by watching your vids. Felt so happy I signed up to be a patron. Merry Christmas!
Randy: Congrats on the 209K subs level! Another huge video with lots of data points on various DACs and Streamers. Look forward to the Geshelli Labs Dayzee DAC review in 2024...maybe the Queen of "Ultra-DACs" for next December's festivities???
Thanks Randy! 👍 I think the S.M.S.L. SU-1 is the greatest surprise of the year. It really does punch way above its weight class! It replaced my desktop DAC with no regrets.
Randy Thanks for your channel …I see your love for SMSL- u1 Question on fence between smsl and Schitt Modi 3e price difference of 20.00….. curious if inside of schitt dac could be built better …. But what would be your thoughts on sound … thanks….. excuse the SMSL-SU-1
@@williammaness4941 the Modi 3 costs $129. There is not a $20 difference unless you’re talking about an extremely good deal on a used one.
Bad ass video. Good man. Happy holidays to you and your family, hoss!
Can't wait to see you get your hands on the new Geshelli Dayzee. I want it for the looks alone!
Best channel for advice for so many.
Would be my audio gear 'prescription' here, IF I was starting over, and not a system (more vintage and 2-channel than digital) I added to more than changed.
the geshelli!! Oh I didn't expect that...
Just hearing Geshelli AKM4499 with Sparkos SS2590 Pro. It's another level to Sparkos SS3602. Wow. My product of the year.
Thanks for your many good videos. I'd like to see some on 1) a matrix/mixer for various speaker combos, so we might switch to and from various little amps. We have different rooms, and uses in the same room, EG Keyboards Synths, Video (youtube), and Streaming audio. These are so cheap I dedicate, because it's less disruptive. 2) Pre-amp to amp relations, and options. Seems like many of these little things can play either role. Actually playing music is much healthier than passive listening, and the gear is equally cheap. You might encourage some active noise making! No need to go way deep. Thanks again, you have been a great help and very entertaining.
SMSL DU-1 is the darling of my DAC collection.
Thanks!
Awesome-sauce!!!!!!
Will Pairing wiim pro plus with smsl su1 to an onkyo tx-nr6050 give better audio quality than just the onkyo with the wiim pro plus?
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Mines the Linkfor Dac , its my first DAC but i have heard many Dac as my friends are audiophiles.
Its only a £30 dac with blue tooth if need and sounds great .
Are we talking of two units here?
If not, then it's the Eversolo.
If two units, then Geshelli Labs Dac, and a Wiim streamer
Great video! Bought the WIIM Pro Plus based upon your recommendation in October, and love it!!
Glad you enjoy it!
I haven't watched this yet, but my guess is dac of the year the new geschelli labs and streamer of the year, wiim definitely, so maybe the pro plus.
Noob question here but i want to be sure.
I want to buy smsl dl200 to my headphones and later grab some passive speakers. Is it possible to connect additional amp (Fosi Audio V3) which will power my speakers to this dac/amp combo and just change signal to switch beetween headphones/speakers?
Great awards! As I understand it the Schiit Sin can not decode Dolby Digital 5.1, even though the optical could carry it? So how does the multi channel thing work? Upscaling 2 channels?
Would the SMSL DL200 pair well with the Wiim Pro Plus that I have? I am trying to give the wiim a bit more something but on a budget. Thanks
Great video Randy !
How does the Wiim pro plus compare in sound quality to the bluesound node 130 🤔
Help please! I am new to this stuff. I have purchased Rotel A11 Tribute amp and Wiim Pro plus and Elac uni ref speakers now I am thinking of CD player? or DAC and cheap CD transport. Obviously if I go DAC it should be better than the DAC in the Wiim and then I guess I can send the digital signal from the Wiim to the DAC and onto amp? is that correct. Now looking at the Geshelli ...I am a bit lost . How do I wire it up and which options do I need? Thanks
Would the regular Geshelli DAC be an upgrade from the standard one inside the WIIM Pro? I'm not going to buy the Pro Plus right now, and I'm not feeling $500 on the socketed model right now. Too many other projects. Thanks.
I picked up the SMSL 200 the day after black friday for $160.
Hi Sir,
Shall we connect the external DAC to the amplifier which already have a inbuilt DAC.
How would you compare the dac in the Wiim Pro+ to the one found in the latest Schiit Modi dac?
Any change reviewing the smsl ao300? got hdmi-arc and seems pretty good!
When are you gonna do the cheap amps? Great video BTW, Love your channel!!!!!!!!!!!
We’re waiting…😊
I wonder whether you can help me - I have an LG tv with optical output and a Sony 4k blu ray player with a coaxical output.
The 4k player's Coax output is going into a rega isis Dac with great results.
The LG tv however optical output is working but the rega isis dac will not accept the optical signal.
Is there another way or device that can take the optical signal from the tv and pass it onto the dac?
Do you recommend that I use a DAC in between my Bluesound Node and anyone of my vintage receivers: Sansui G5700, Pioneer SX-789, Yamaha CR 840? Am I missing out by going directing into one of these?
I use vintage gear exclusively, Sansui. And have played around with DACs, I sold my Node and went with the WiiM Pro. I find the DAC in the WiiM comparable to the Node offerings. And then with the WiiM's built in 10 band EQ, the Node stood no chance and was quickly sold.
If you are looking at a stand alone DAC, I would suggest picking up the WiiM Pro Plus vs a separate DAC. The EQ in the WiiM software will do so much more for the sound than any stand alone DAC will ever do with our vintage gear.
And I did try the SU-1, as it was cheap, and all of the hype, I bought one just to see... It sounded like a wet blanket was thrown over my Sansui 4000. It was terrible, the WiiM Pro internal DAC was so much better. Just add the $69 ifi2 5v power supply to the WiiM Pro or Pro Plus and you will have a very nice streaming DAC to use with your vintage gear. All of the hype regarding the WiiM products is true.
@@michaelwright1602 Wow, this is so helpful! I'm going to dig deeper on WiiM. Thank you!!!!!!
On the SMSL u1, I could only connect one amp in my two amp room set up
Been running the new Geshelli with Sparkos, power supply upgrades etc, for the a couple of weeks now - it's playing music in a full blown reference system - everything Randy has expressed in this video along with his other videos are right on the mark - - the sound stage is to die for, the bass is amazing - I also notice more clarity in detail - I have no urge to go back to my refence ATC DAC, which yes, perhaps has a bit more refinement in the very high frequencies because not only does the Geshelli sound great but it's so much fun, I constantly find myself "toe tapping", another dead give away that it's awesome and it clearly betters my reference in sound stage and bass dynamics. I do have the earlier J2 with the 4493 chipset, but the JNOG2 socketed Sparkos, AK4499 chipset along with the USB upgrade is unquestionably better and well worth the added cost - I really appreciate Cheapaudioman for putting me onto the Geshelli DAC's and congrats to Geshelli and their latest offering for being Randy's DAC of the year.
Hi randy with the smsl su1 how do you get power when you are using the optical input if you are connecting it to the USB from your computer when the computer is off ?
You can use the power adapter/charger from your smartphone ---> USB-c / 5V!
@@piksinjo69 that's not what I meant I mean how do you power the dac when the computer is off and you are using the optical input since their is only one usb connection for power and signal
@@jimlyall8624 then you would use the 5V adapter INSTEAD of the usb of the computer. Or wake your computer. Or use a powerpack. You need 5V to power it either way. So... since you repeated your question I guess you want to have both the optical connected to a source and at the same time have it connected to the computer via usb? In that case you would have to wake the computer to power it even if you're using opt or coax. Or unplug it ad connect a 5V usb adapter/powerbank. No way around that. Select optical as source and you're good to go.
@@Olofberglund thank you for your help have a merry Christmas and happy new year
@@Olofberglund forgot to say that answered my question
Hi, Randy! Are you familiar with the $30 SMSL PS100 DAC? Would love to get your take on it. Thanks!
Hi everyone, looking for opinions. I have a WiiM mini as a source to my Arcam/B&W system and even with HD source files from Amazon Music, my cd player still sounds considerably better. I suspect the the WiiM mini onboard dac is the weak link.
Am I better off getting a SMSL SU1 or selling the WiiM Mini and
Getting a WiiM Pro2? Or are these too incremental improvements to be worth it and I should spend more $$ for something else?
I'm looking to buy my first DAC and am looking hard at the Geshelli, but I'm not ready to spend $600+ for a DAC. My question to Randy ( @cheapaudioman )or anyone with experience on the J2 socketed is: Should I get the JNOG2 with a AK4493 and one Sparkos Opamp (RCA since I don't use XLR) at $339, or pay for the AK4499 now and add the Sparkos later? ($430 and a reach!) Where is the Geshelli magic coming from, the upgrade from 4493 to 4499 or the Sparkos Opamps? How does a AK4493 with Sparkos compare?
Ok. I'm a bit confused lol.
I'm buying a new setup based on your recommendations. I currently have early 90s era pioneer 2 chanel amp, tape deck, a dvd player (cds) and a orbit turbtable. The speakers are 90s era Bostons Accoustic towers (I'll never get rid of, sound amazing). Im buying an emotiva preamp, amp, and most likely a audiolab cd transport. I also do ALOT of hd Streaming on amazon HD with a cheap Imii bo6pro+ (also sounds great, yet Bluetooth). I want a good network streamer to replace that........ The Wiim is the best route to go over the eversolo?? Is the dac on the emotiva good enough or should i get a Gershelli dac and forget about the eversolo?
So you could get the Eversolo and be done. It will have a better DAC then the Emotiva unless you get the xda 3
But the xda 3 doesn’t have a streamer. So get the dmpa6 if you want to be one and done. If you want the better sound quality a J2 will sound better but be more expensive in the long run.
@@cheapaudioman so what about a wiim pro, with a J2? I could the run my streamer and transport through that and have better sound quality with actually being a bit less monies vs. the dmpa6?
I appreciate the advice.
I'm stoked to get Emotiva components.
SMSL for $80 is great and completely transparent so really the only DAC you will ever need. Wiim is pretty much the go to streamer at this point. Love the Pro Plus. It is my preamp, DAC, and EQ for my stereo setup.
Can you recommend a DAC to connect to my vintage Pioneer sx-1250. Many thanks...love the channel
Bra, try the j2 with same 4499 But with burson vivid = u've got ur system no2...Peace!
Randy, you did a so big deal of denafrips ayres, when it came out. You said that thing had blew our mind. You simply don’t talk about it anymore. Just SMSL and J2. Is that paid?
What do you think of the Cambridge audio axn10?
Still want to know which old cd players are awesome machines to connect to the affordable DAC's mentioned, to keep the prices in shape?!
Sony ES range CD players from 88-93. Hard to top the build quality of those.
@@meddlepfYeah had one, had to be refurbished for many €€ with new laser, motor and such but still gave problems afterwards. I had a Onkyo Integra that sounded awesome but had many mechanical problems. Also an expensive top of the line receiver from that brand and it crapped completely out on me. Never Onkyo/Integra ever more for me. I need a strong and easy to repair tank of a player with digital out.
Aune X8 uses the same Sparkos SS3602 - I wonder how they compare 😋
Randy, you may not be beating the "TV Too High" allegations
Hi randy which dac would you recommend the smsl su1 or the schiit modi 3+
SU-1 is better.
I would try both, the SU-1 I have sounds like a wet blanket was thrown over my system. I have a Schiit Gumby, and it is too sterile/clinical.
I’m a Schiit fan. I buy all their Schiit…except headphone gear-nope. I’m struggling to buy the Syn. I get the fun factor. I get it. But, I like Dolby processors and another stack of amps is really hard to justify. I don’t know how I’d incorporate it into my listening.
Pietus Maximus, go go go!
For some reason him and Darko don’t want to admit the Eversolo DMP A6 is awesome and keep pushing WiiM products on everybody 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
I assume it's just a price to performance thing.
Because the Eversolo is multiple times the price of Wiim products. There is not much of a value proposition. The current price of the Eversolo doesn't compete at all with products that deliver nearly the same, for far less.
Maybe the eversolo sounds tipped up and digitally harsh, so despite the touchscreen it's the sound quality that isn't that great. And for something you buy for music, that seems to be a bit of a bummer at nearly $1k
Price to performance. And the WiiM is simply incredible in regards to software, none of these other companies have even come close to matching it. And the DAC in the WiiM is not all that bad for the money with a good power supply. I sold my Node N130 after getting the WiiM Pro, and canceled the order for the EverSolo. It is the built in, easy to use 10 band EQ that takes the WiiM over the top in my book.
@@NosEL34 well yeah, if this if the thinking, absolutely, the WiiM is pretty awesome, the best for sure
I'm fine with my RME ADI-2 DAC
Me too. It's pretty fabulous. Bought one a couple years ago and now I don't fret or even think about other dacs.
RME are just in a class of their own…
Exactly. If you can afford, no doubt.
The one million dollar question is how many times the RME DAC is better Than the SMSL SU-1. Considering you pay 1200,00 x 60,00
I got a cheap BT DAC which has a BT 5.2 receiver and "audiophile-grade Hi-Fi Bluetooth receiver features ES9018K2M chip" Question on Apple Lossless (which seems NOT straightforward) what quality is being achieved over Bluetooth? I understand not even apples own Airplay2 actually supports the HiFi lossless... seems like you have to use wires (from PC or other device) to achieve the Lossless ability?
@cheapaudioman got Dac reviews for android/iphones? 3.5mm to USBC, with or without charging capabilities
When will you get to review Geshelli’s Dayzee?
I don't believe a word you said😊
Not being a smart Alec but on these streamers, most notably the fiio r7… what can it do an iPad mini plus a dragonfly dac, can’t? The more I see them the more that question comes to mind. And no one I have found has ever comps ed the two
Hey Randy ! I'm a new subscriber and I need your opinion about a combo Amp & Dac that I came across for $300.00. And that's the iFi Audio Zen Dac V2 & ifi Audio Zen Can. Is this a good deal ? Please note this is my first time getting into Amp & Dac audio. I'll appreciate your help.............. Thanks 👍
Hi Randy. Ralph here. Is it possible to stream iTunes with the wiim? Thanks
You guessed it, Frank Stallone
Should check out Tone2 pro Khadas Dac.
A TV above a fireplace. No thank you.
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Have you tried the Eversolo DMPA6 Master edition? If so, is it worth the extra $?
You want a GanFet charger for the SU-1. Just sayin
The Streamer DAC which I use, is never talked about and is perfect and it has it all including a 10" LCD screen to view media info. It features - studio quality playback 192MHz and Dolby Atmos sound with10 band equalizer, it can run all the streaming services, I can connect it to my amp (Douke ST01 Pro) via 3.5" jack or Bluetooth and use my amp remote to control playback, it has Wi-Fi, it has an SD card slot to hold 1TB of lossless audio files. Why does nobody talk about using a modern tablet as the perfect playback streamer playback Device ????? I have a Lenovo TAB 10 Gen 3 which I purchased really cheaply.
Well bluetooth is lossy and buit-in DAC in handheld devices aren't usually that great. There are however loads of videos of usb-c/lightning connected DAC dongles which is a solid starting point for a lot of people. I prefer to not tether my phione, tablet pr laptop to my hifi-system though and I'd rather control the playback from the streamer with my phone wirelessly instead. That's one great benefit of using a dedicated streamer too.
@@Olofberglund If a DAC is certified for Atmos I'd say it's better than most as it's meeting a HiRes standard. I would say a DAC dongle is inferior as cooling such a small device is difficult. I don't connect using Bluetooth just because the 3.5" jack allows surround sound. A tablet is not considered a hand held device of which there are really good MP3 players that cost lots of money and have all the features and sound quality of HiFi devices.
Well, it really doesn’t matter if you consider a tablet a handheld device or not.
Wether the DAC in that tablet is good or not I have no idea, I just gave my point of view why I think hardly anyone is talking about it, as per your question. The same goes for 3,5mm outputs in laptops and tvs, most are quite bad and even the good ones in that category is not comparable to most dedicated DACs’ output.
So if that tablet has a great DAC and analog output - that’s great! Most in that category are crap 💩 Hence the lack of interest in the hifi-community.
Bargain! The KLH model 3 speakers originally came out for $1800 a pair with stands. Due to mixed reviews they now sell for $1000 a pair! Heck of a deal if you like them. Id reserve judgment until I heard them myself on trial Not much to lose if you audition from say one of the on line retailers with a return policy.
I get the feeling my WiiM Mini and SMSL Su-1 won't be the winning pair. Lol
definitely the least obvious answer right here :D
@@FateSoulzZyou're getting bang for buck though! Edit, sorry that was meant to @WireHedd
Hey, can you suggest a DAC that would sound better than Denon x3700h internal DAC. Looks like denon has not disclosed the DAC info for x3700h avr and I am not sure if spending on external DAC is worth it or not. There are mixed suggestions on some forums but no is suggesting a DAC that would surpass the x3700h DAC.
No Denafrips Ares!?
Very unaware of audio.
ON; - it's pronounced "on"
Will these all sound better than the DAC that is inside the Apple lightning 3.5mm aux cord?
What external DAC would you recommend to improve the sound using a WiiM Pro Plus without breaking the bank? Thanks for all your exhaustive research!
That will depend on your amplifier... What are you using? And your budget?
@@michaelwright1602 My system amplifier is an Anthem MRX 1120, connected to Focal speakers, plus SVS sub. Budget could be ~300.
Will it work on android phone
u drink way too much coffee 😄
Inb4 wiim
You can’t really tell the difference because most companies use the same chips.
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Wiim, who would have guessed. 🙄
I don't use mine anymore but I have to admit that it's a fantastic device. Best deal in hifi in my opinion. I'm referring to the cheapest Mini as a transport.
Randy, I don’t mean to be rude, but please make sure your wife removes any white things from your hair. This is a big stream. It deserves a woman’s touch.
Too funny, yes that fluff really does like him doesn't it, maybe it's a pet, lol
sorry. I gave my team the rest of the year off for the holidays
@@cheapaudioman Not sure if you’ll ever see this, but you and yours deserve it. Be well. Fershizzle.
Have fun kinking your neck to look up at your tv
I wish you would stop making these videos. My wish list on Amazon is getting huge. LOL
Holy crap man it seems like every other video that you make are about DACs. I barely even know what a DAC is. It's probably one of the reasons why I've stopped watching most of your videos.
Fair enough. But a lot of us are interested in new dac developments as they really do play a huge part in achieving great digital sound.
Everytime I take a look at your reviews you go out of your way to recommend Emotiva...no way you are NOT on their payroll...If I wanted to watch advertising I'd go to their website...thx for nothing Randy...now go have your coffee...consider me unsubscribed
Ready. BiFrost? Denafrips Ares 12? Eversolo?