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Can you tell us something about the sound quality: - WiFi compared to hard wired? - wiim mini optical output compared to PRO optical output? - inside DAC of the PRO compared to external DACs? - digital coax output of the PRO compared to coax output of Bluesound Node (and/or other streamers)? That would be very helpful for me making a choise. Thanks, from the Netherlands
You mean I can't go to Scotland and defend mtysquare foot of land while wearing a kilt with nothing on underneath!? And I was going to keep that land for future generations of my clan to enjoy. Next you are going to tell me that we can't move into the Barbie Dream House because the inspector found problems with the foundation. Are you kidding me? We'll just stay in Castle Grey Skull then and deal with the those cold, damp stone walls for another winter.
@@trippmoore the problem isn't the land thing, its that they promise that its conservation work. They donat $1 for every $50 spent with them to get absolutely nothing. That money could of gone to the actual charity. Its taking away actual conversation work for absolutely no reason other then venture capital.
I need to echo this: Please be more discerning with sponsors or they may be your undoing. This is one reason I personally never accepted sponsors when I was a text journalist and would not do so as a RUclipsr either. That's just me personally as having had deep dive experience with the whole sponsor thing from the inside though not personally connected, but working for/with someone on an audio event. I have seen disasters with sponsors before. If one wants sponsors, that is fine, but just be discerning. I'd hate to see any damage to your channel Randy by some unscrupulous sponsor. What you do here is a service!
@@cheapaudioman That's good Randy. I don't like to see folks doing a good public service get damaged or destroyed by unscrupulous sponsor scams and the like. When I was in the saddle, I was offered sponsorship by a questionable company that had nothing to do with audio and I turned them down immediately because they wanted automatic quid pro quo and they also tried to pressure me. Two no-no's in my book.
Nice! :) You forgot to mention it uses the same DAC as the mini. Such a DAC would be expected in something at that price-point, but people may have other expectation for the Pro.
I believe they expect people to bypass the DAC using the optical and/or coaxial outs. That's the way I would. Nice that it has so many inputs and outputs.
This is exactly the information I was looking for. Thanks! I can still with the mini…I do wish the Cheapaudioman would take a little time to understand and explain the hardware and design of what makes the gear he reviews better/worse/same as other gear. I don’t need or want an EE, but a little bit of design/hardware detail would make a huge difference in the value of this channel.
I agree to an extent but without a better DAC it's really just a slightly more flexible mini with Chromecast. Not sure if that justifies the extra moolah. If you don't need ethernet or Chromecast and are using an outboard DAC then just get mini.
@@aoelounge6446 If they really wanted to be a "Node killer" they could incorporate a good DAC, remote, and a subwoofer output and sell it for $249 - 299. It would sell like hot cakes and be considered an insane value.
I thought the Cheap Audio Man to be a reputable and trustworthy Man, but now I have been ripped off on his advise by purchasing from Established Titles I am disgusted, no credibility !
Established Titles will go down as one of the biggest money scams on youtube,, @cheapauidioman I love your channel ,, I hope you look into this soon,,Much Luv
I brought the Wiim Pro after watching this. Very impressed with it once I got it hooked up. Thanks so much for the valuable insights. A real game changer for me, sounds great on my system. Nice they also added a PEQ. Great to get all the features at such a low price. Picked mine up on a lightning deal. Can’t beat this at such a low price point. Enjoying hi res on my stereo for the first time! Thanks for the great videos!
I though the WiiM Mini and Pro couldn't get any better. I turned on multiroom audio today, within the Wiim app. It is flawless. Even switching music in rapid succession it sounds as if the 3 systems on 3 different floor were 6 speakers hard wired to a single receiver/streamer combo. I stood on the stairs, between floors to see if there was even the slightest out of sync issue. None, none, none, zero sync issues, zero delay. Thank you a thousand times for reviewing the Wiim on your channel.
How the heck did you get multiroom audio? I tried for HOURS and could not get an Streaming service to play on a single Echo device. I finally got my turntable to play on 1 (AND ONLY 1) echo device. Completely frustrating. Is the sole purpose of this thing to stream music from service to your stereo via cables from the Wiim to your stereo?
@@x1124x I have 2 Wiim Pros and a Mini. each connected to a stereo receiver, 2 receivers using optical, 1 using RCA cables from the Wiim's and another mini that I connect to a jbl bluetooth speaker. The stereo's all play in sync. The JBL bluetooth speaker is slightly delayed. You also have to have the first device in my setup being one of the stereo's and the other devices link multiroom audio to it in the Wiim app. If you play music to the bluetooth speaker then link other devices to it then you get dropouts in the music. I don't know if the connection to the echo is wifi or bluetooth, but if it's bluetooth that's most likely the problem. Bluetooth even if it's v5 is still too low bandwidth for stable multiroom audio, i'm guessing. Hope that helps
There is a subjective difference to my ears. But there are too many variables in the chain. My main is a Node. Hooked the Mini via a Schiit Modi3 Tested on Tidal Connect with non-MQA tracks Seemed a tad more ‘compressed’ but heck for my office system it’s better than my old setup.
Randy, you might want to rethink Established Titles as there is material appearing suggesting they are there are serious issues with their offering. I saw a detailed video on YT debunking them, and there is no clear evidence they are planting trees. Btw, do you do not legally own the plot of land allocated to you.
I bought the WiiM pro streamer to go with my SVS prime wireless, and it really unlocked their potential. It does everything well, without having to use dts play-fi, which crashes and glitches too much. It worked flawlessly on Wi-Fi streaming from tidal, Spotify connect, chromecast, airplay 2, and DLNA playing the music files from my office computer. It sounds great too. Much cheaper but same functionality as a bluesound node
I already wanted to buy before I finished watching your video. Went to Amazon don’t find it, went to wiim website they don’t show nothing about it. Then came back to your video…. Oh not out yet lol. can’t wait!
I just had my WiiM pro delivered on the 7th. I did not like the sound of the analog output with my Yamaha RV-681. So I ordered one of the S.M.S.L SU-1 MQA MQA-CD Audio Decoder. I hooked the 2 together with a digital coax cable.The results were very good, way better then using the SPDIF optical connection, which does not seem to work properly. I might have been doing something wrong, but the coax connection sounded so good, i didn't spend much time trying to figure out the optical connection. My speakers are KLH Kendall's. I listen to a lot of music. 6 or more hours a day. The Streamer and the Dac are just what i needed to make me happy with the sound of my system. If you are shopping floor standing speakers, I have to recommend the Kendall's over the RP-6000FII's that I had been using for the last 10 months. they sell for the same price per pair, and there is no comparison in my opinion.
People are crazy with all those online services, but imho the most important is just to stream from USB pendrive/disk. This device do not have any possibility to play your own files except NAS, what i dont like.
Thanks for brilliant review, I've got Roberts RS1 streamer which is good but it's only available streaming service is Spotify, it took me a while to setup mainly because I had it plugged into my home ethernet private network at home, once on WiFi it detected the unit and although it had a few problems updating firmware once completed works flawlessly. I have this connected into an external DAC via USB or optical (SMSL Sanskrit 10th MK-II) I haven't done any tweaking yet as I've only just purchased but it's got a lot of features and the manufactures website and customer support is very good. Thanks Cheapaudioman very informative and detailed reviews, the only problem I have is I keep selling old equipment and upgrading my headphone setup from your reviews. Just don't tell my misses 🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for this review. Would have been great to hear more about sound quality, comparisons to Node, Zen Stream, PecanPi, Wiim Pro + E50 Dac…etc.. Follow up video soon?
Surely sound quality is the most important bit? Also I believe the processor in the pro is much better than in the mini which will significantly impact stability. Also I heard recently that Chromecast is no longer gapless. Perhaps you can check/comment on that when you get chance to do a fuller review.
I have the WiiM Mini connected to my Technics SU-G700 M 2 via the optical cable and it sounds great through my Q acoustics concept 50’s. Very happy with the sound.
Thanks for a great review. I’m subscribing. I’m getting a wiim pro for streaming mainly but will run the tv through it if there are no lip syncing issues.
I'm getting an Argon Audio Solo. It's on sale for black Friday for €179,- (Sorry it is EU only, no overseas shipping). It is a Roon endpoint and has Chromecast and airplay. No need for a dedicated app (also there isn't one). toslink and coaxial and it's built in DAC is much better than that of the WIIM's. Getting over the WIIM mainly because it has a much better DAC in it. About equal or a bit better than the one in the Blusound Node.
Definitely looking forward to picking this up. Looking forward to being able to select between home theater input and music streaming through my phone or tablet. I think that it will be a better option than the Arylic S50 pro+ with physical remote for me. Thanks again for your reviews and recommendations.
Buncha people are waiting for the Pro to ship. One thing you didn't cover clearly is that both WiiMs have built-in DACs that are pretty darn good. So a WiiM can be a good rescue for older and vintage amps to get into high quality streaming. No other DAC needed. And it might make redundant the older not-so-great internal DAC in an aging amp; just connect WiiM's RCA output to the amp's line in. Another feature that often goes under reported is whole house streaming of one music stream with the music synchronized -- so you don't hear big echo-like effects when all-room-systems are playing. Unlike you, I let the WiiM app control each system's volume (fixed output off). Yeah, the stream is no longer bit perfect, but you don't have to go around each system changing the volume controls. Just do it with the app. [And my ears are far from bit perfect at 24/192k.] ..... My only difficulty with the Mini is that, when they implemented gapless playback, it started halting (mid-track), sometimes just cutting out, sometimes repeating, sometimes 'gaplessly' starting some other track. (I use Amazon HD.) Yes, I've submitted my complaint to WiiM. So far, no joy (as of last night). In my house, I have absolutely zero want or need for gapless. If it's gonna FU an otherwise good product, let me switch it off. ..... I would rather not be a streamer competitor to the WiiMs. I think my board of directors, and my shareholders would tell me to do something else, entirely. WiiMs value proposition makes a train wreck of the older market paradigm.
Just to check; I can change the volume from my phone to the device and this will change the volume on a vintage amp?? I’m picking up a pioneer sx-750 this week and have been looking for streaming solutions for it, so I’m really glad someone has mentioned the feature. I’m thinking of connecting the Wiim Mini with 3.5mm Jack to RCA cable, connected to the AUX input on the amp. If this works, it’s a no brainier!! 🙂👍🏼
@@nickbdy Yes. Just make sure the WiiM app on your phone is set to NOT have fixed output. This will even give individual volume controls on your phone app for each WiiM it is playing, as well as a master volume control for all.
Finally! I pushed you about this a few months ago. Glad to have a WIIM streamer that is in a rectangular case with feet. And for some of us, "build quality" is ALWAYS important. Bravo !
I can stil make a case (for some people) for the Echo Link/Bluesound Node over Wiim - the subwoofer out with bass management (high frequency cut off) . I plan on adding a sub at some point and this capability will be, for me, worth it's weight in gold. Again, that's only me and my use case but I believe if they add full bass management in the future (not just subwoofer out) they would make a lot of competition obsolete. Maybe they should go with two versions of the device - a new mini without an internal DAC (pure streamer) and with sub out and a PRO with a more decent DAC than the one inside it now. Just a thought...
100 % agree with you! It's a bummer that they still use the same DAC, although, its better than NOT having a DAC. Most audio nerds understand/accept they will be using an outboard DAC whether it is an external stand alone DAC or the DAC in your receiver/integrated amplifier. I think WiiM should just go for the juggular and make a PRO + version, that has a really good built in DAC, a remote, and a subwoofer output, and keep it under $300.
I use an Apple TV first ver to stream anything I can play on my iPhone to my vintage receiver. What big benefit is there to using a streamer device like this. Thanks.
So, I just bought this for my home theater receiver, (because HEOS isn't as good as it could be) and was shocked that the software looks exactly like the 4stream app for the Arylic S50 pro streamer, and Outlaws RR2160 MKII receiver(it would be cool to see your review on that.) I can even see all devices in each specific software.I didn't check to see if each app could control all devices, though. Are all these companies under one umbrella?
I'm not certain that this is *the* definitive answer, but some of these brands are powered by Linkplay technology in some capacity. This includes SoC modules and a standard companion app. Source: Linkplay website Also: "Welcome to Arylic's developer documentation. This documentation describes the API of DIY audio boards, which are manufactured by the Linkplay company. Their boards are so called white label solutions, which means that hundreds of brands use them in their own products (as Arylic does). There are many well-known manufacturers that use Linkplay as their core." Source: From the Arylic HTTPAPI Developer page Meanwhile, it is apparent that WiiM is actually the in-house brand of Linkplay.
With the newer upgraded internal computer and new Wired Ethernet input the WiiM Pro could be a vast improvement on what was already a pretty decent streamer. The price is right on these streamers that's for sure, would be awesome if the new one improved on sound quality
WiiM Pro sounds like a great replacement for both Zone 1 theater music streamer, though AudioControl XR6s is Roon Ready, but moreso to take over for Zones 2 and 3. My biggest dilemma is SiriusXM via HEOS is our daily habit. Might WiiM be adding SiriusXM compatibility anytime soon?
As you always state, as a streamer it is brilliant just amazing. As a dac, it leaves a lot to be desired. All the new analog inputs and outputs in the pro version will go through that not so great dac. Just an FYI. I'll be sticking with the mini in to a Geshelli J2.
Would those work on my usecase? Planning to hook up my tv via optical in then use the optical out to connect my current speakers (HiVi Swan D100) and use the other RCA out to hook up a dedicated subwoofer?
I started with a Wiim Mini a little before the Pro came out. Works great! I recently upgraded to the Pro in order to have automatic pass-through for the TV. This feature works quite reliably. Becuase of this one feature, I am able to use a quality DAC to feed the system without any extra complexity for my GF to deal with. On a side note, I tried out a MiniDSP SHD and it didn't sound quite as good streaming. That's a $1400 unit.
I missed out on the Brooklyn bridge when it was available so I’m really pleased that Established Titles are available…everybody says I’m a prince. Lost my pet rock.
Just ordered the Pro! Hope this solves a very strange problem. I've been streaming a few local radio stations and playing music from my OpenMediaVault server on a RPi. Every time I do this, my internet speed drops from 100+ Mps to 7 or 8 Mps download while the upload speed remains 9 or 10 up. Rebooting the router does nothing but I can restore the download speed by rebooting the Spectrum Modem 1,2,3 times. Hope by running off Ethernet instead of WiFi might make a difference [although there is no sound reason it should].
Randy, I feel your choice in sponsorship may be a bad look. Please also always stay true to your honest, trustworthy and original style of reviews. You are moving fast. ☺️
@@bryanbassett2110 In the last two weeks my favorite MMA podcaster, favorite wine podcaster, favorite audio podcaster have got established titles as a sponsor. I am sick to death of them.
Darko Audio also did a review of Wiim Pro, he mentions that it uses the same DAC as the Mini and figures Wiim did this assuming most users will use an external DAC. If you already own a Wiim Mini feeding an external DAC I doubt you'll getter better sound from the Pro unless the coax output provides an improvement over the optical.
What would be the advantage of this over something like my Denon X-3500H please? Obviously I use the AVR for TV and Movies with a 5.1.2 setup, but is there any advantage to the WIIM Pro for listening to music?
Hi, I was looking at where to put this figured here is as good as anywhere... need some advice on my set up and where I could do better.... I am running 2 x Technics !210s through a DJM 400 Mixer into an RCA switcher that goes into a Behringer Minimon, also in to the switcher I have a Traktor S2 and a portable MD player.... I was going to run a Tablet as a Music Streamer with Apple music ... s0 3.5 out from the tablet to RCA in on the switcher then again that comes out through the Minimon (an 800 I believe) all of this comes out throuto 2 active KRK 5 speakers set up by my Turntables.... do you think this tablet set up will work well as a streamer... just using Apple Music.
The reason you need a streamer if you have a computer is that the streamer is way easier, and it goes in the equipment rack, and the app becomes your remote. The Wiim mini is killer and I can't wait to grab the Pro.
I was going to buy another BlueSound node for my 2 channel setup instead I will buy 2 of these. The ability to stream amazon natively using the amazon app and not blue os will be fantastic. Does it have usb out? That might ne the only benefit for those of use using external dacs and wanting to go usb out. Perhaps a ddc in tween the streamer and Dac nullifies any differences.. Darko said this will be $150 launch I believe next week it goes on sale.
Dude your so busy gives me inspiration Like I said u got it with out that well it's going to different ur not trying compete but WELL HE DOSENT STICKTO THE NARITIVEIDE AS THE 30 YEAR VETS MUTTER IN TO A HAIRRY EAR LOL NOT TRYING TO STIRI ILL SHUTUP
Please help me with AVR .I will listen most of my music thru Spotify and RUclips. I won't say no for a home theater 5.1.2 system but I prefer floorstanding speakers. And what " Dac" or streaming device should I use I've been a police officer for 33 years and my dream from high school was to own a good looking system.
The Wiim app is NOT flawless. I have a large CD collection on a NAS. It just will not play a full range of random selection. It stops, gets stuck in titles starting with digits, just will not move its way through my collection or repeats recently played songs. I have had it since January and it really hasn't improved. This is where I did most of my listening. My previous Yamaha was perfect. This streamer does sound good. I just wish it would play my music.
Awesome! Can’t wait to get one. On the computer front..1) can’t use my phone as a “remote”, and 2) my iMac only outputs 44.1 (even though iPad does 192?)? Thanks Randy
Having using it for a while, recently it's software got crazy. Everything is upside down. Impossible to operate. Sent an email to their support with no reply from them. Is anyone encountered such a problem?
anyone know if they (WIIM) have plans to add Apple Music natively in the app? similar to Amazon alexa echo products- they can control and play Apple Music...you just link your account
Personally, I don’t need the unboxing experience at all and would prefer more details about the DAC and the differences from the mini besides the input and outputs. You’re still my favorite audio man and you’re cheap! Thanks Randy.
Hey Randy! Thanks for covering the new WiiM. Personally, I couldn't care less about commercials or sponsored ads. It sucks that you need to do them at all, but just take their money and let the idiots stew in the shame of not having their own channel get sponsored. 🤷🏼♂️
I bought a Wiim Mini when I set up my stereo earlier this year after seeing it on your channel, and honestly you would never need anything else for a simple stereo system. Super easy to use and plays great quality music. The only issue I had was on Tidal's end whenever the Wiim would update, but once Tidal fixed the app it's been smooth sailing. Absolutely recommend it.
Do you use the inbuilt DAC? I found I got better sound if I used the toslink and let the dac in my avr do the work... Just my experience. Didn't get great audio from using the wiim mini Dac.
Bought one was hoping to run my old turntable a Garrard AT6 through it hoping it would work but no sound as I still need a pre amp so why not put a pre amp in? It says turn your old gear into smart but this is not very smart is it? The app I found very buggy took ages to setup then the thing was faulty it turned out the optical socket was faulty and sound was coming on and off and drop outs. So now I have to return it.
No such devices that are just digital, wired ethernet and just plays network files including dsd. A lot of people has external docs and only need the digital source.
Great channel. New to hifi and your channel is the best. I got a pair of a2 plus and a sub from a friend. Do I need an amp with the wiim pro? There is no optical on the back of the a2 plus? Any help from anyone is appreciated.
Help. My iphone 11 doesn't have a lossless music setting. If I use the Wiim app from this iphone 11 to stream Amazon music via wifi am I getting lossless music?
Can I just dump all my music in this and control it with Sonos? I used to be able to just play from my Android to my Sonos, but Sonos stopped the ability.
is it Roon Ready?...or at least will it play nice with Roon? I find bluesound software buggy and useless...sonos is better; but I basically just use Roon
The Wiim app is not disability friendly. I have my phone setup to enlarge print, and make everything else easier to see for my low vision. However, it won't allow the Wiim app to get bigger nor could I find disability features in the app itself. Very disapointed and sent it back. BluOs on the other hand works for me. Getting a Node
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Established titles is a scam.. there are a lot of videos out regarding this in the last few days.
@@chrisodillman3355 you mean a foreign national can’t buy land in another country online without any documentation or signatures!? I am truly shocked
This really is something you should look into and reconsider the sponsorship.
this is a scam dont support it! Please support the actual company that plants the trees onetreeplanted. They have no evidence of giving any money to them.
This sponsor gives no documentation as to whether it gives the money to the charity it claims. It is a scam, don't support it.
You might want to reconsider the Established Titles sponsorship
Can you tell us something about the sound quality:
- WiFi compared to hard wired?
- wiim mini optical output compared to PRO optical output?
- inside DAC of the PRO compared to external DACs?
- digital coax output of the PRO compared to coax output of Bluesound Node (and/or other streamers)?
That would be very helpful for me making a choise.
Thanks, from the Netherlands
Unsubscribed because you're willingly scamming your viewers. This is very disappointing to see
Really love your channel and content but please stop using Established Titles as a sponsor. It's a scam and this is widely known at this point.
You mean I can't go to Scotland and defend mtysquare foot of land while wearing a kilt with nothing on underneath!? And I was going to keep that land for future generations of my clan to enjoy. Next you are going to tell me that we can't move into the Barbie Dream House because the inspector found problems with the foundation. Are you kidding me? We'll just stay in Castle Grey Skull then and deal with the those cold, damp stone walls for another winter.
@@trippmoore simple no would have sufficed but you chose to be a smart-ass. Have a good day buddy.
@@trippmoore the problem isn't the land thing, its that they promise that its conservation work. They donat $1 for every $50 spent with them to get absolutely nothing. That money could of gone to the actual charity. Its taking away actual conversation work for absolutely no reason other then venture capital.
@@JimboHotWings dont call people smart asses, it's not the insult you think it is. They are very proud that they are deeply obnoxious.
I need to echo this: Please be more discerning with sponsors or they may be your undoing. This is one reason I personally never accepted sponsors when I was a text journalist and would not do so as a RUclipsr either. That's just me personally as having had deep dive experience with the whole sponsor thing from the inside though not personally connected, but working for/with someone on an audio event. I have seen disasters with sponsors before. If one wants sponsors, that is fine, but just be discerning. I'd hate to see any damage to your channel Randy by some unscrupulous sponsor. What you do here is a service!
I cancelled my contract with them
@@cheapaudioman That's good Randy. I don't like to see folks doing a good public service get damaged or destroyed by unscrupulous sponsor scams and the like. When I was in the saddle, I was offered sponsorship by a questionable company that had nothing to do with audio and I turned them down immediately because they wanted automatic quid pro quo and they also tried to pressure me. Two no-no's in my book.
I'm happy with my LGV30,and I have new one as a back up.Very savoury with the T9,plugged into the unit,no bloody BT.
Nice! :) You forgot to mention it uses the same DAC as the mini. Such a DAC would be expected in something at that price-point, but people may have other expectation for the Pro.
I believe they expect people to bypass the DAC using the optical and/or coaxial outs. That's the way I would. Nice that it has so many inputs and outputs.
This is exactly the information I was looking for. Thanks! I can still with the mini…I do wish the Cheapaudioman would take a little time to understand and explain the hardware and design of what makes the gear he reviews better/worse/same as other gear. I don’t need or want an EE, but a little bit of design/hardware detail would make a huge difference in the value of this channel.
I agree to an extent but without a better DAC it's really just a slightly more flexible mini with Chromecast. Not sure if that justifies the extra moolah. If you don't need ethernet or Chromecast and are using an outboard DAC then just get mini.
That's too bad. I was hoping the Wiim Pro would have a better DAC. I already have a Wiim Mini. What I miss are better DAC and a remote control.
@@aoelounge6446 If they really wanted to be a "Node killer" they could incorporate a good DAC, remote, and a subwoofer output and sell it for $249 - 299. It would sell like hot cakes and be considered an insane value.
My understanding is that Established Titles is scammy. Sorry Randy 😞
Definitely distance yourself from established titles there scam artists.
I thought the Cheap Audio Man to be a reputable and trustworthy Man, but now I have been ripped off on his advise by purchasing from Established Titles I am disgusted, no credibility !
You didn't actually send money, did you?
Thanks Randy. I'll be buying the Wiim Pro and a Geshelli J2 DAC for less money than I'd pay for a NODE.
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Established Titles will go down as one of the biggest money scams on youtube,, @cheapauidioman I love your channel ,, I hope you look into this soon,,Much Luv
Apparently not. Still the pinned comment.
At this point I guess you're well aware of your poor sponsor choice.
Hey Randy, The middle button on the front selects the playlist you have selected as “1”
I brought the Wiim Pro after watching this. Very impressed with it once I got it hooked up. Thanks so much for the valuable insights. A real game changer for me, sounds great on my system. Nice they also added a PEQ. Great to get all the features at such a low price. Picked mine up on a lightning deal. Can’t beat this at such a low price point. Enjoying hi res on my stereo for the first time! Thanks for the great videos!
I though the WiiM Mini and Pro couldn't get any better. I turned on multiroom audio today, within the Wiim app. It is flawless. Even switching music in rapid succession it sounds as if the 3 systems on 3 different floor were 6 speakers hard wired to a single receiver/streamer combo. I stood on the stairs, between floors to see if there was even the slightest out of sync issue. None, none, none, zero sync issues, zero delay. Thank you a thousand times for reviewing the Wiim on your channel.
How the heck did you get multiroom audio? I tried for HOURS and could not get an Streaming service to play on a single Echo device. I finally got my turntable to play on 1 (AND ONLY 1) echo device. Completely frustrating. Is the sole purpose of this thing to stream music from service to your stereo via cables from the Wiim to your stereo?
@@x1124x I have 2 Wiim Pros and a Mini. each connected to a stereo receiver, 2 receivers using optical, 1 using RCA cables from the Wiim's and another mini that I connect to a jbl bluetooth speaker. The stereo's all play in sync. The JBL bluetooth speaker is slightly delayed. You also have to have the first device in my setup being one of the stereo's and the other devices link multiroom audio to it in the Wiim app. If you play music to the bluetooth speaker then link other devices to it then you get dropouts in the music. I don't know if the connection to the echo is wifi or bluetooth, but if it's bluetooth that's most likely the problem. Bluetooth even if it's v5 is still too low bandwidth for stable multiroom audio, i'm guessing. Hope that helps
Surely the DAC in this is inferior to that in the BLUESOUND.
There is a subjective difference to my ears. But there are too many variables in the chain. My main is a Node. Hooked the Mini via a Schiit Modi3
Tested on Tidal Connect with non-MQA tracks Seemed a tad more ‘compressed’ but heck for my office system it’s better than my old setup.
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I thought I missed something, but I guess I didn't. What did you think of the DAC? Is it any better than the one in the Mini, or should we bypass it?
Same DAC, unfortunately.
Randy, you might want to rethink Established Titles as there is material appearing suggesting they are there are serious issues with their offering. I saw a detailed video on YT debunking them, and there is no clear evidence they are planting trees. Btw, do you do not legally own the plot of land allocated to you.
I have a raspberry pi (bought when they were like $49.99) streamer and aside from having to reboot it occasionally it sounds great.
I bought the WiiM pro streamer to go with my SVS prime wireless, and it really unlocked their potential. It does everything well, without having to use dts play-fi, which crashes and glitches too much. It worked flawlessly on Wi-Fi streaming from tidal, Spotify connect, chromecast, airplay 2, and DLNA playing the music files from my office computer. It sounds great too. Much cheaper but same functionality as a bluesound node
You should remove the sponser as they have been identified as known Chinese scammers. Its 100% fraud.
Skip to 3 minutes in when he finally gets to the point and you can avoid the sponsorship guff. An Interesting video from there onwards
I already wanted to buy before I finished watching your video. Went to Amazon don’t find it, went to wiim website they don’t show nothing about it. Then came back to your video…. Oh not out yet lol. can’t wait!
I just had my WiiM pro delivered on the 7th. I did not like the sound of the analog output with my Yamaha RV-681. So I ordered one of the S.M.S.L SU-1 MQA MQA-CD Audio Decoder. I hooked the 2 together with a digital coax cable.The results were very good, way better then using the SPDIF optical connection, which does not seem to work properly. I might have been doing something wrong, but the coax connection sounded so good, i didn't spend much time trying to figure out the optical connection. My speakers are KLH Kendall's. I listen to a lot of music. 6 or more hours a day. The Streamer and the Dac are just what i needed to make me happy with the sound of my system. If you are shopping floor standing speakers, I have to recommend the Kendall's over the RP-6000FII's that I had been using for the last 10 months. they sell for the same price per pair, and there is no comparison in my opinion.
People are crazy with all those online services, but imho the most important is just to stream from USB pendrive/disk. This device do not have any possibility to play your own files except NAS, what i dont like.
Thanks for brilliant review, I've got Roberts RS1 streamer which is good but it's only available streaming service is Spotify, it took me a while to setup mainly because I had it plugged into my home ethernet private network at home, once on WiFi it detected the unit and although it had a few problems updating firmware once completed works flawlessly.
I have this connected into an external DAC via USB or optical (SMSL Sanskrit 10th MK-II) I haven't done any tweaking yet as I've only just purchased but it's got a lot of features and the manufactures website and customer support is very good.
Thanks Cheapaudioman very informative and detailed reviews, the only problem I have is I keep selling old equipment and upgrading my headphone setup from your reviews.
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Thanks for this review. Would have been great to hear more about sound quality, comparisons to Node, Zen Stream, PecanPi, Wiim Pro + E50 Dac…etc.. Follow up video soon?
Also Andover Songbird. Fewer features but also going for $99 these days. Curious how the apps compare.
Surely sound quality is the most important bit? Also I believe the processor in the pro is much better than in the mini which will significantly impact stability. Also I heard recently that Chromecast is no longer gapless. Perhaps you can check/comment on that when you get chance to do a fuller review.
I have the WiiM Mini connected to my Technics SU-G700 M 2 via the optical cable and it sounds great through my Q acoustics concept 50’s. Very happy with the sound.
Thanks for a great review. I’m subscribing. I’m getting a wiim pro for streaming mainly but will run the tv through it if there are no lip syncing issues.
I'm getting an Argon Audio Solo. It's on sale for black Friday for €179,- (Sorry it is EU only, no overseas shipping). It is a Roon endpoint and has Chromecast and airplay. No need for a dedicated app (also there isn't one). toslink and coaxial and it's built in DAC is much better than that of the WIIM's. Getting over the WIIM mainly because it has a much better DAC in it. About equal or a bit better than the one in the Blusound Node.
Randy thank you! What's your thought on the built in DAC? Thought it was the TI Burr-Brown PCM5121 DAC?
Pro is available as of this morning on Amazon - placed my order
The sponsorship you are promoting is a known scam ! Have some respect for your viewers and do more research before accepting 20k
Definitely looking forward to picking this up. Looking forward to being able to select between home theater input and music streaming through my phone or tablet. I think that it will be a better option than the Arylic S50 pro+ with physical remote for me. Thanks again for your reviews and recommendations.
If you type "established titles is a scam" in the RUclips search engine you will find video after video about it
can you compare the sound of wiim pro to bluesound or ifi zen stream when paired with an external dac?
Afternoon Randy hope you have a great day
Buncha people are waiting for the Pro to ship.
One thing you didn't cover clearly is that both WiiMs have built-in DACs that are pretty darn good. So a WiiM can be a good rescue for older and vintage amps to get into high quality streaming. No other DAC needed. And it might make redundant the older not-so-great internal DAC in an aging amp; just connect WiiM's RCA output to the amp's line in.
Another feature that often goes under reported is whole house streaming of one music stream with the music synchronized -- so you don't hear big echo-like effects when all-room-systems are playing.
Unlike you, I let the WiiM app control each system's volume (fixed output off). Yeah, the stream is no longer bit perfect, but you don't have to go around each system changing the volume controls. Just do it with the app. [And my ears are far from bit perfect at 24/192k.]
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My only difficulty with the Mini is that, when they implemented gapless playback, it started halting (mid-track), sometimes just cutting out, sometimes repeating, sometimes 'gaplessly' starting some other track. (I use Amazon HD.) Yes, I've submitted my complaint to WiiM. So far, no joy (as of last night). In my house, I have absolutely zero want or need for gapless. If it's gonna FU an otherwise good product, let me switch it off.
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I would rather not be a streamer competitor to the WiiMs. I think my board of directors, and my shareholders would tell me to do something else, entirely. WiiMs value proposition makes a train wreck of the older market paradigm.
Just to check; I can change the volume from my phone to the device and this will change the volume on a vintage amp??
I’m picking up a pioneer sx-750 this week and have been looking for streaming solutions for it, so I’m really glad someone has mentioned the feature.
I’m thinking of connecting the Wiim Mini with 3.5mm Jack to RCA cable, connected to the AUX input on the amp.
If this works, it’s a no brainier!! 🙂👍🏼
@@nickbdy Yes. Just make sure the WiiM app on your phone is set to NOT have fixed output. This will even give individual volume controls on your phone app for each WiiM it is playing, as well as a master volume control for all.
Finally! I pushed you about this a few months ago. Glad to have a WIIM streamer that is in a rectangular case with feet. And for some of us, "build quality" is ALWAYS important. Bravo !
I gave Sith Title $2 and my new name is Prince Longmember Village Slayer.
I can stil make a case (for some people) for the Echo Link/Bluesound Node over Wiim - the subwoofer out with bass management (high frequency cut off) . I plan on adding a sub at some point and this capability will be, for me, worth it's weight in gold. Again, that's only me and my use case but I believe if they add full bass management in the future (not just subwoofer out) they would make a lot of competition obsolete. Maybe they should go with two versions of the device - a new mini without an internal DAC (pure streamer) and with sub out and a PRO with a more decent DAC than the one inside it now. Just a thought...
100 % agree with you! It's a bummer that they still use the same DAC, although, its better than NOT having a DAC. Most audio nerds understand/accept they will be using an outboard DAC whether it is an external stand alone DAC or the DAC in your receiver/integrated amplifier. I think WiiM should just go for the juggular and make a PRO + version, that has a really good built in DAC, a remote, and a subwoofer output, and keep it under $300.
I use an Apple TV first ver to stream anything I can play on my iPhone to my vintage receiver. What big benefit is there to using a streamer device like this. Thanks.
So, I just bought this for my home theater receiver, (because HEOS isn't as good as it could be) and was shocked that the software looks exactly like the 4stream app for the Arylic S50 pro streamer, and Outlaws RR2160 MKII receiver(it would be cool to see your review on that.) I can even see all devices in each specific software.I didn't check to see if each app could control all devices, though.
Are all these companies under one umbrella?
I'm not certain that this is *the* definitive answer, but some of these brands are powered by Linkplay technology in some capacity. This includes SoC modules and a standard companion app. Source: Linkplay website
Also: "Welcome to Arylic's developer documentation.
This documentation describes the API of DIY audio boards, which are manufactured by the Linkplay company. Their boards are so called white label solutions, which means that hundreds of brands use them in their own products (as Arylic does). There are many well-known manufacturers that use Linkplay as their core." Source: From the Arylic HTTPAPI Developer page
Meanwhile, it is apparent that WiiM is actually the in-house brand of Linkplay.
With the newer upgraded internal computer and new Wired Ethernet input the WiiM Pro could be a vast improvement on what was already a pretty decent streamer. The price is right on these streamers that's for sure, would be awesome if the new one improved on sound quality
established titles is a scam unfortunately
What's makes it a scam? Are you alleging a fraud?
WiiM Pro sounds like a great replacement for both Zone 1 theater music streamer, though AudioControl XR6s is Roon Ready, but moreso to take over for Zones 2 and 3. My biggest dilemma is SiriusXM via HEOS is our daily habit.
Might WiiM be adding SiriusXM compatibility anytime soon?
If it had HDMI arc I'd consider it....but I really need it. Too bad.
Would love to hear your thoughts on a direct comparison with the bluesound node!
As you always state, as a streamer it is brilliant just amazing. As a dac, it leaves a lot to be desired. All the new analog inputs and outputs in the pro version will go through that not so great dac. Just an FYI. I'll be sticking with the mini in to a Geshelli J2.
Does the Mini have Coax SPDIF out?
@@navinadv - negative. Which is why the Wiim Pro will sell like hotcakes.
Would those work on my usecase? Planning to hook up my tv via optical in then use the optical out to connect my current speakers (HiVi Swan D100) and use the other RCA out to hook up a dedicated subwoofer?
I started with a Wiim Mini a little before the Pro came out. Works great! I recently upgraded to the Pro in order to have automatic pass-through for the TV. This feature works quite reliably. Becuase of this one feature, I am able to use a quality DAC to feed the system without any extra complexity for my GF to deal with. On a side note, I tried out a MiniDSP SHD and it didn't sound quite as good streaming. That's a $1400 unit.
Is there another streamer with a 10-band EQ (or similar), a subwoofer out and a better DAC than the WiiM Pro?
I missed out on the Brooklyn bridge when it was available so I’m really pleased that Established Titles are available…everybody says I’m a prince. Lost my pet rock.
Great review. I’d be a bit more discerning with your sponsors, though, this one is a bit of a scam.
It's not a scam. It's a novelty product with little value other than vanity.
Just ordered the Pro! Hope this solves a very strange problem. I've been streaming a few local radio stations and playing music from my OpenMediaVault server on a RPi. Every time I do this, my internet speed drops from 100+ Mps to 7 or 8 Mps download while the upload speed remains 9 or 10 up. Rebooting the router does nothing but I can restore the download speed by rebooting the Spectrum Modem 1,2,3 times. Hope by running off Ethernet instead of WiFi might make a difference [although there is no sound reason it should].
Randy, I feel your choice in sponsorship may be a bad look. Please also always stay true to your honest, trustworthy and original style of reviews. You are moving fast. ☺️
Is this a joke? Sarcasm isn't always easy to pick up on through text
@@bryanbassett2110 In the last two weeks my favorite MMA podcaster, favorite wine podcaster, favorite audio podcaster have got established titles as a sponsor. I am sick to death of them.
Yes, this is a little much, I think it's time for me to move on. It is a shame what people will do for a buck !
Guess he should just make daily videos for us to watch but not make a buck to keep the channel going. Gosh damn socialist's lol
Thats "Lord Randy" to you.
Darko Audio also did a review of Wiim Pro, he mentions that it uses the same DAC as the Mini and figures Wiim did this assuming most users will use an external DAC. If you already own a Wiim Mini feeding an external DAC I doubt you'll getter better sound from the Pro unless the coax output provides an improvement over the optical.
I want a WiiM but I need a sub out with bass management, so Bluesound Node it is for now.
What would be the advantage of this over something like my Denon X-3500H please? Obviously I use the AVR for TV and Movies with a 5.1.2 setup, but is there any advantage to the WIIM Pro for listening to music?
Hi, I was looking at where to put this figured here is as good as anywhere... need some advice on my set up and where I could do better.... I am running 2 x Technics !210s through a DJM 400 Mixer into an RCA switcher that goes into a Behringer Minimon, also in to the switcher I have a Traktor S2 and a portable MD player.... I was going to run a Tablet as a Music Streamer with Apple music ... s0 3.5 out from the tablet to RCA in on the switcher then again that comes out through the Minimon (an 800 I believe) all of this comes out throuto 2 active KRK 5 speakers set up by my Turntables.... do you think this tablet set up will work well as a streamer... just using Apple Music.
The reason you need a streamer if you have a computer is that the streamer is way easier, and it goes in the equipment rack, and the app becomes your remote. The Wiim mini is killer and I can't wait to grab the Pro.
Establish titles is a total scam my friend try looking into it
I was going to buy another BlueSound node for my 2 channel setup instead I will buy 2 of these. The ability to stream amazon natively using the amazon app and not blue os will be fantastic. Does it have usb out? That might ne the only benefit for those of use using external dacs and wanting to go usb out. Perhaps a ddc in tween the streamer and Dac nullifies any differences.. Darko said this will be $150 launch I believe next week it goes on sale.
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No usb out on the Wiim Pro. It's options are coax and optical toslink.
@@IronHorsey3 I think coax out to ddc then I2S out to my Dac will work well. Looking at the new matrix spdif 3 or singxer su6
Dude your so busy gives me inspiration
Like I said u got it with out that well it's going to different ur not trying compete but WELL HE DOSENT STICKTO THE NARITIVEIDE AS THE 30 YEAR VETS MUTTER IN TO A HAIRRY EAR LOL NOT TRYING TO STIRI ILL SHUTUP
Please help me with AVR .I will listen most of my music thru Spotify and RUclips. I won't say no for a home theater 5.1.2 system but I prefer floorstanding speakers. And what " Dac" or streaming device should I use
I've been a police officer for 33 years and my dream from high school was to own a good looking system.
The Wiim app is NOT flawless. I have a large CD collection on a NAS. It just will not play a full range of random selection. It stops, gets stuck in titles starting with digits, just will not move its way through my collection or repeats recently played songs. I have had it since January and it really hasn't improved. This is where I did most of my listening. My previous Yamaha was perfect. This streamer does sound good. I just wish it would play my music.
Love my mini. However after three weeks returned the Pro. Needs to be restarted daily or even twice a day. Mini is ok in same network setting
Awesome! Can’t wait to get one. On the computer front..1) can’t use my phone as a “remote”, and 2) my iMac only outputs 44.1 (even though iPad does 192?)? Thanks Randy
First. Thankyou for explaining the nines from Klipsch. I need advice
I love the nines, aswell as JAMO C97 11,Dali oberon 9 and polk r700
WiiM Pro Plus amazing music streaming device. One question Tidal MQA 24/96 max bitrate or full 24/192? Thanks advance
Having using it for a while, recently it's software got crazy. Everything is upside down. Impossible to operate. Sent an email to their support with no reply from them. Is anyone encountered such a problem?
anyone know if they (WIIM) have plans to add Apple Music natively in the app? similar to Amazon alexa echo products- they can control and play Apple Music...you just link your account
Personally, I don’t need the unboxing experience at all and would prefer more details about the DAC and the differences from the mini besides the input and outputs.
You’re still my favorite audio man and you’re cheap! Thanks Randy.
Hey Randy! Thanks for covering the new WiiM. Personally, I couldn't care less about commercials or sponsored ads. It sucks that you need to do them at all, but just take their money and let the idiots stew in the shame of not having their own channel get sponsored. 🤷🏼♂️
I bought a Wiim Mini when I set up my stereo earlier this year after seeing it on your channel, and honestly you would never need anything else for a simple stereo system. Super easy to use and plays great quality music. The only issue I had was on Tidal's end whenever the Wiim would update, but once Tidal fixed the app it's been smooth sailing. Absolutely recommend it.
Do you use the inbuilt DAC? I found I got better sound if I used the toslink and let the dac in my avr do the work... Just my experience. Didn't get great audio from using the wiim mini Dac.
@@kaufmanat1 I don't, which is a good clarification. This thing is an excellent streamer, but it's always better to have a separate DAC.
Wiim Pro vs Argon Solo.
Need music streamer with my integrated Amp. Which one to get. Please advice.
Thanks in advance.
Do you know if there is any dedicated streamer (besides Sonos) that integrates with RUclips Music? I can’t find any….
Do you need the latest iOS for the app? I’m stuck using iOS 11 for compatibility with my older MacBook Pros
It’s a great looking device and I’ll probably pick one up but without HDMI it doesn’t replace the Bluesound Node for me.
Bought one was hoping to run my old turntable a Garrard AT6 through it hoping it would work but no sound as I still need a pre amp so why not put a pre amp in? It says turn your old gear into smart but this is not very smart is it? The app I found very buggy took ages to setup then the thing was faulty it turned out the optical socket was faulty and sound was coming on and off and drop outs. So now I have to return it.
No such devices that are just digital, wired ethernet and just plays network files including dsd. A lot of people has external docs and only need the digital source.
Still using CCA via optical to A-S501 DAC, Tidal HiFi. Why would I consider spending 80$ or more on Wiims ?
Great channel. New to hifi and your channel is the best. I got a pair of a2 plus and a sub from a friend. Do I need an amp with the wiim pro? There is no optical on the back of the a2 plus? Any help from anyone is appreciated.
Help. My iphone 11 doesn't have a lossless music setting. If I use the Wiim app from this iphone 11 to stream Amazon music via wifi am I getting lossless music?
I'm immigrating to Mandalay myanmar from South Africa, if the apartment is small I think floorstanding speakers won't work
Can I just dump all my music in this and control it with Sonos? I used to be able to just play from my Android to my Sonos, but Sonos stopped the ability.
well,looks like weempro and plus has NO coax in so forget using your old CD player as a transport, unless it has optical out on the player...
is it Roon Ready?...or at least will it play nice with Roon? I find bluesound software buggy and useless...sonos is better; but I basically just use Roon
I think you should do a little more research on the sponsor of this video.
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Yea... This Sponsor is absolute BS
So glad I didn't buy a second Mini for my basement setup. Now I can pick this up for my main and toss the mini in the basement. Thanks Randy!
Well I got mine and it gets disconnected constantly so I have to keep setting it up. No thanks. Amazon’s easy return process ftw
The Wiim app is not disability friendly. I have my phone setup to enlarge print, and make everything else easier to see for my low vision. However, it won't allow the Wiim app to get bigger nor could I find disability features in the app itself. Very disapointed and sent it back. BluOs on the other hand works for me. Getting a Node
Contact WIIM. They could probably do a software update. The roll out updates all the time.
I looks nice but without a better built in DAC, I don’t see the attraction for current WiiM mini owners. Full sized RCA jacks?
Chromecast
Ethernet
What DAC, if any, would you recommend as a substitute for the WiiM builtin DAC for improved sound?
It would be nice if it could play files from a usb flash drive. Then it would be killing everything.
Can I select it as Spotify "Remote Speaker" from any device inside of the Spotify-App in my WLAN or do I need to install the WIIM-App on all of them?
Would have been nice if it had an I2S output.