How Much Faster is +40 WHP? Scion FRS Track Review
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Our Supercharged Scion FRS now has 40WHP more horsepower so how much faster is it around our test track Toronto Motorsports Park.
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"Davey ain't playin' no games here, homie" DP 2018
That cracked me up, who knew 40+whp would make you an instant gangster.
GTI went from ego to never seeing DP again that lap lol
Strange stuff happens when you're having that much fun.
I definitly laughed when he said that, he was just having fun lol
You guys do a great job with these before/after track tests. Explaining all the differences in the car between the two tests is great because it gives us a clear picture as to what caused the improvement in lap time. Keep up the awesome videos!
And another note, on your helmet mounted GoPro you are blowing out the brightness. A way to solve the issue on the newer model GoPros without having to manually lock the exposure every time, is to simply set the ProTune setting to -2.0 EV. It will darken the car interior but it's more the view of the track that we are interested in. It also persists through power cycles of the camera so you won't need to set it every time.
I feel like even their main camera for recording is a bit washed out. Maybe the overcast added to it but yeah. Definitely whoever the editor is should take a look at calibrating their monitor or maybe viewing their edited files on a diff monitor than they edited on to color correct!
@@TankRust thanks for the kind words, and ya something was off with the GoPro settings this day. Normally we run them stopped down one or two stops so the view out the windscreen isn't blown out.
Build it and the race it, the way it should be!
Word? 24 thumbs up? Build it and thee race it, them way it should be!
That’s what’s is great about this channel.
Is very good the race much build it is waye be shoulder.
Awesome video. I just bought a twin (BRZ) and I find it more fun to drive than my track built evo. I think the frs/brz is one of the most underrated cars.
This is a PROUD successor to the HACHIROKU
Loving the FRS love lately ❤️
They have that effect
That car used to sound beyond awful... What a major upgrade that exhaust has been!!
Never stop making videos
Love the FRS content. Glad you guys got the car back!
Yep 350 whp the goal for my build. Their FRS is fast !
I always come back to this video just because of how nice this car screams, music to my ears 🚗💨
That "feels" like the right amount of power for the chassis. Looked natural and smooth on delivery. Should be a good season next year.
Comfort in Discomfort there is no right there is only more
The frs was rolling!!! You guys live the life!
You need to hot lap the Tundra.
Then being lower than the Tundra on the hot lap board = the ultimate shame.
Haha, maybe we will put the Tundra out there one of these days :D
Speed Academy please that would just be fun
Bought my 86 over 7 years ago. Still stock and purring. I do love watching these track vids though.
Blight how many kms/miles?
@@bash7teen 64000 km
Blight dam 2013 with 64000kms? I got mine used 8 months ago and its a 2016 and i got it with 61500kms and now im at 76500kms
Blight wish i did a little more shopping, kind of young and was my first real car so the first one i found i just jumped on it , i could have got one with 30,000kms for $3,000 cheaper then what i got mine with 60,000kms for
@@bash7teen Actually, my car is 2012! They were out in Australia for 6 months in 2012, and I got mine delivered just before Christmas. But yeah, i wouldn't worry about kms. I'm at the point now where I should really sell it, but I'm just going to keep it - its worth more to me than I think it is to the market.
Sounds so good!! 40 more whp definitely helps
I know right?! Helps that the car is lightweight .
Love seeing the improvements! 40hp on a light car is a lot!
I certainly love FRS/BRZ's and I CERTAINLY love built Honda's (personally owned over 100 and built countless more during 12yrs of shop ownership) but seeing the track time board is a vivid reminder why in 2010 I transitioned to Corvette. For a dual use, daily drive capable and comfortable, reliable, yet potent track weapon...you cannot beat Corvettes...namely C5Z's (though C6Z is what they have on the board). If you're on the fence of C6Z vs C5Z; if track work is on your radar, go C5Z certainly...cheaper consumables, LS6 is one of the best HPDE engines in the LS line (LS7 valve guide issues, LS3 rod oiling issues) A mildly modified C5Z is a reliable track weapon and you simply start from a higher level of chassis than say a 88-00 Honda or even a BRZ (though, the chassis is quite exceptional). The investment in the FRS, car included (easily 40k)...you could built a purely potent C5Z for a 30k investment (car included), with better resale and destroy that leader board.
Lol no old Vette has a better chassy than the twins. On an AutoX track a Vette doesn't stand a chance. Nor on a track that isn't 80% straights and high speed corners. The owner of the Tskuba record is the HKS 86 race car too so saying it dosent have as much potential as a Corvette is stupid. Good day
People hate on this car for being slow but I feel like it was meant to be worked on. Most people don't buy it to keep it as is.
AMAZING!!!!!!! Love the frs updates, especially track testing
You are living the dream my man.
hopefully this car competes in time attack here in toronto. i realize it is not the goal of SA but would be neat to see this car in comparison to other cars in its class
We did race it in the Ontario1500 a couple years ago. Full playlist of all 7 days of racing on our channel. We would love to race it again here or in the States, though. Hopefully we can make that happen next year.
@@speedacademy Dave doesn't know it yet, but he's got a mechanic/backup driver ready to go. This ball is in motion (in my mind).
I co-sign this statement to support your regions scene. Though the car itself has done Pikes Peak with Vancouver crew VCMC, then Dave and Pete got it and did Targa Newfoundland. It's had a good life on both sides of Canadia already and next year should only get better.
More FRS!!!
Looking good boys! You guys should look in to a 2017+ intake manifold, bigger throttle body and an upgraded dampener pulley. Should net you some good gains up top. Also look in to a lighter battery and carbon drive shaft. That will shed over 30 pounds and bump up the power-to-weight! =)
I imagine the cf driveshaft would somewhat improve throttle response too, with a bit less resistance from it being lighter.
What benefit does the 2017+ intake manifold have? It’s metal not plastic, that’s all from what I can tell. Not to mention it’s a pricy mod for what you get...nothing
It has a better intake design. It has been tested on forced induction application and makes good results up top. Big power set-ups are seeing around 20hp gain.
Love the FRS content, run a JRSC debating the HBP. I might have to go for it. Keep it up, love this car.
I remember reading in Ross Bentley’s Speed Secrets you should always change 3 things at once.
Keep the Frs stuff coming!
Hey guys, great video. Any chance you could do a track brake pad shootout? I don't know the logistics behind it but it would be cool to compare endless, hawk, ferodo ds, ebc and the like.
Interesting idea. We'll give it some thought!
I can vouch for Hawk pads that's all I use or need. They bite HARD and work perfectly at the track. But dusty for street rims. EBC yellow feels like stock with no fade less dust. Brake noise can be reduced with one hard track session. EBC slotted and dimpled rotors are amazing though, probably the best out there.
What'd I tell ya? Sasha makes the jam, and when Dave gets ahold of it... 5:02! Lol, great job fellas!
If you haven't already done it, I would probably suggest you guys get the flat bottom panels and the verus rear diffuser to help with back end grip
These cars are great stock, but even better with boost!
"Don't want to let me by tough luck homie" needs to be a sticker
Amazing results but further reinforces what a great value the C6 Z06 really is! Stock on 300 tread tires vs. heavily modified on 100 tread. Also, I'd bet a used Z06 is cheaper, more reliable, and would have far better resale when you're done with it.
I agree, but part of the fun is the journey and the uniqueness of your build.
Want to compare again with similar tire size? Forget treadwear, the Z06 likely has 300+ width tires. This thing is regular sized NANKANGS! The other thing is the Vette will never feel like the FRS agility wise so they're barely comparable. I hear you about the high performance level out of the box though.
FWIW the v8 Mustang is apparently pretty quick with a few mods too. Look up Vorshlag for data on the new Stang and what he had to do to make it faster. Not trying to compare the stang to the Vette though, so don't go there hehe.
Project D even a gt 350 can only do a 1.21.4 on Cayuga, a lightly modded mustang could probably get the same laptime as an na brz?
You guys should bring her down to Newfoundland for Targa Bambina 2019! I'd love to see the difference in the car since its last time here.
To fix the now loose issue, I wonder if it would be better to work on mechanical grip vs putting more wing in it? That is unless your loose only in high speed sections. Love to see results like these. Good video.
The loose condition was really just in the higher speed corners, she's still pulling 1.4g or more in the corners so to me it felt like and aero imbalance rather than a mechanical grip issue. Would have been interesting to try adding some more wing before touching the chassis setup to see how much of the imbalance was aero related, but we'll definitely get deeper into that next year.
Rear wing looks like it has lift.
I see that the Driveway Labs diffuser is gone now because of the Tomei exhaust. That probably contributed more to the aero imbalance than the new splitter.
looking forward to more content from your FRS!
another great video. Keep it up! constructive criticism: idk if there are any settings that you can change on the gopro but today it was very difficult to see out the front window during the POV shots. Just seemed like too much exposure or something. (I'm no camera expert)
Yup, we had the settings wrong on the GoPro. Not normally a problem, we just goofed up and didn't notice until it was too late.
Damn that rotates so nicely, looks like it's amazing to drive!
I would love to see you guys running R1 Concepts brake pads and/or rotors. I have them on my Audi and they are phenomenal.
You guys should race the frs with the K civic again
Yes, I would love to see that race again!
Yeah I'd love to see how much more the FRS would whoop it again
Pee wee battles lol
Love the exhaust sound
Love the track videos guys
Speed academy video ritual: like->watch, watch again.
Love it guys thanks for the content! When the Integra is done it woul be cool to come up to your neck of the woods and do a colab vid with the new k24 going in the car!
waddya guys do for a living? you guys are living the dream...
Varg Sutton this is what they do!
That's the spirit! Settings fast laps in jeans. Forget the 40+ wheel.
I wanna see this car again
You guys definitely need a Coolerworx shifter for the FRS!!!
Davey turned into a real G after 40 wheel lol
The brz is a really good sounding car with exhaust
Love your videos, you should really consider getting a hans and submarine belt.
What kind of videos do you have planned for this winter?
Is it just me, or does it kind of sound like a 4A-GE with ITBs?
Dexter Yang doesn’t have the sweet intake note a 4 cylinder with ITB’s. Exhaust is pretty sweet tho
Sounds amazing
I know you guys are busy but I want to see another tour of Canada in this thing.
Car looks great, and sounds awesome!!, also can you guys put a build list for the FRS on your site? Would love to purchase some parts
We're working on it for next year. In the mean time if you want parts email us!
Smashed it ten!!
So I understand the "boxer growl" subie fans love, it does sound awesome. But won't it make better power on an equal length header vs the un-equal length?
There's definitely more top end potential weight an EL header.
Could you look into doing a dashcam instead of the helmet cam? The contrast is too high for the camera which leads to a nicely exposed interior but hardly any visibility to the outside
It can be remedied fairly easily and quickly in editing software like Premiere, they would just have to do it.
I’m pretty sure they usually have a polarizing lens but it was not used this time.
sorry guys, we had the f-stop setting on the helmet cam messed up on this one. Not normally an issue.
Find a way to ship it to Sydney for WTAC next year? Enter it in Clubsprint!
Buy one in Aus. and build it there... much cheaper and readily available. I have no clue why so many teams ship cars all over the world. You'd lose a lot of time in transit alone, plus $.
i think more rear diffuser instead of more wing
Funny you mention this... i just commented the same. This car needs a rear defuser not a bigger wing lol
I really wish I could of gotten my car ('88 mustang) out to the track this year. Next year for sure though
Was I hearing the seatbelt, alerting? Or was that just me?
You guys should really consider an IRP short shifter!!!!!!
You guys should do another race with s2000 and k-swap civic one more time with the jrsc hbp frs
maybe give it a little toe in on the rear and the back end should become more stable again without loosing all that good grip on the front.
Are you guys running the Tomei 80r exhaust?
I think there's a few more tenths still eh Dave? I would expect more time shaved off with power, aero and pads if I'm honest. Maybe it's also because TMP is compact so 1 second is a lot of time there.
Either way the car looks like it's driving way better. Kilt it.
It is a tight track so 1-second is definitely a solid improvement. There is more time in it, though, I agree. I would think a low 18 or high 17 is there under better conditions (it was cold and windy, so the tires probably weren't getting fully up to temp, and there was a fair bit of slower traffic on the track as well).
I watched the video at 2X speed and DOUBLED the horsepower. BTW, one thing I'd suggest for the camera, is try to expose it for the track itself, it's really tough to see the road!
Good ole twin seat belt ding
Tough luck homie 😂 4:58
Back end coming lose is expected... why not instal a rear defuser to help the rear grip
Yay more Frs
more wing is just going to slow you down. adjust the looseness with suspension and tire first
i like how a bone stock 2006 zo6 is that far up the leader board
Bone stock.
Have u hear about CL brake pads? Use those... They were that good
More FRS please
Great video, what interface are you using for your center gauges?
Hey! just wondering did you guys drop compression ratio on this motor when adding the supercharger? Just wondering what your guys thoughts are on the longevity of this motor running at this boost. I work for Subaru Canada and would love to speak with you guys further about some things :)
The engine is internally stock, so no change to compression ratio. We've had zero reliability issues with the Jackson Racing kit on the car for 3 years now, and have done 30+ track days including 7 in a row during the Ontario1500 event (full video series of that event on our channel). This was all with the lower boost pulley at 272-whp. We think at 312-whp we're at the upper limit of our comfort zone for reliability on the stock engine. If we step up to the larger C38 Rotrex supercharger we'd build the bottom end at that point, but I don't think we'd drop the compression ratio since superchargers (especially centrifugal ones like the Rotrex) respond more like a naturally aspirated engine so keeping the compression ratio up is preferred. Feel free to shoot me an e-mail at dave@speed.academy if you'd like to chat more.
Was the 272 with a new fuel pump of old? The other videos made it unclear.@@speedacademy
Thanks for apologizing to us detailers. :)
More hp make us all giddy!
Would you guys recommend an FRS/86 2020+ or a Civic Type R 2020+ for a weekend warrior track car build? Looking to add a second car for next season.
need some fly by shots loll
This most likely has already been mentioned, but is the engine using stock internals?
Yes
Is that motor still good? I have the same kit but on the 108mm pulley making 285 whp, have been craving more power lately
Thats a lot of changes besides +40whp my guess is you gain more from aero than the power
Why is it still a full second slower from 100-160 than my full interior frs? I'm exactly at 312whp and my car weights 1238kg. The downforce drag is probably killing it. You car now has a 270whp equivalent up from 230whp.
And the race it? Cool build tho
i said it once and ill say it again, Target NLFD.... :) setup a "go fund me" page for support!
Man, we would so love to go back to Targa Newfoundland. Such an amazing event.
Time to adjust the rear spring rate. About 75-85 lbs higher.
I think that would create more oversteer.
How much faster would the badass2000 be with 40hp more i would really like to see that car with a supercharger on it doing laps what do you think
You need to change the white balance!
What's up with the loose belts? Doesn't look safe...
I feel like the car is "loose" more so on power, because... Power :P
Can't ham-fist it as much ! Otherwise it didn't seem to over-rotate to me on entry and mid corner... But maybe thats me being used to my car.
Hey, look who I found! I think what he means is the car is "looser" than before. It was an understeering plow when they used it in the ontario 1500 a couple of years back. But yeah, that is not all the "looseness" you can get out of it, it is probably too much front aero for the wing settings on the back, so it feels loose at high speed, but it understeers at low speed corners (from the looks of it, as we all know, we are just speculating from the video).
More s2000 that’s what you guys should do.
You have to pit after heating up tires to adjust tire pressures again. Also it's not the +40 whp that made it fun, it was the low end torque from the supercharger. Still needs more power though or a better engine swap for a full track car.
I LIKE TURTLES....that's why I own an 86.
The videos are fun, but far too many changes to make any inferences. Would have loved to see just the engine mods, then the brakes, then the splitter etc., to assess, with some confidence, the individual contributions.
Love all your builds, but it still blows my mind that a stock z06 is that much faster
Any updates? How's it holding up on the hbp?