In this (rushed, last-second, late) video, I make it seem like waterslides are purely for applying to resin, but they work great on any smooth shiny surface, so on coffee mugs, on glass like picture frames, possibly on plastic (not sure). They do need to be sealed or baked on for durability. What would you use foiled waterslides to decorate??
OMG, I just thought that I would experiment and I’m pleased to say that I dont need a laminator (although I do have one and its a bit old) and yes I used my Cricut heat press instead. Tried a few settings like 300f for 15 sec and found that a bit too high as the foil was creasing so went down in temp to 265f for 15 sec and what a treat. Huge thank you once again xxxxx
Glad to see you got it to work but I think the issue for me is if the laser printer would melt the decal sheet and possibly damage the printer? Laser printers can run at up to 400 degrees Celsius which is pretty hot so I'd be at least a bit concerned that this would melt the sheet! It seems it worked okay when you tested it though :)
Well, I certainly don’t want you to risk your printer for this, but I will say I did this process (inkjet waterslide paper printed on a laser printer with black toner) many times and never had an issue. In all honesty, the potential problem you’re describing never even occurred to me. But that’s still no guarantee - you’ll need to make that decision.
Can't wait to see you make a tumbler! But I would love to see you use them here in some coasters! And also would like to see how you use them on a coffee mug and the bake method of sealing them. I haven't seen that done before, you have me intrigued and interested in how that would work now. Lol
Thanks!! Bake-on is actually the original way I saw them used years ago because lots of folks don't use resin. Jennifer Maker has a great waterslide video about baking them onto drinkware. But I'll see if I can also get these foiled ones to work that way (I have no idea). 😊😊
Thank you!! I did actually use a foiled waterslide on a very light blue tumbler recently, if you haven’t seen the video ruclips.net/video/vNWfXw6iodY/видео.html
Thank you!! If you look through the comments here, someone else said the same, and got a great reply suggesting that a print place like kinkos will make black-and-white laser copies for you on any paper you give them (so clear inkjet waterslide paper) so you can give this a try.
It’s parchment paper - I get it at Walmart in the kitchen paper aisle (where you’d find cling film and aluminum foil, etc). Also available online. It’s great because nothing sticks to it and it can resist high heat, so it’s used a lot in baking: amzn.to/3PO3ULs
Thanks! If you can't find a cheapo black laser printer, another option some viewers made me aware of is you can load whatever design you want to print onto a thumb drive, then take it and some inkjet waterslide paper to a local printing place like Kinkos, and they'll print the design(s) onto the paper with their laser copier, which would also work.
Well, it does indeed seem like Hiipoo has migrated to strictly sublimation supplies, no more waterslide paper. Huh! Okay, well, my second-favorite waterslide paper is Sunnyscopa. And they’re still selling inkjet waterslide paper. Remember to get the inkjet version even though you’ll print it with a laser printer. amzn.to/3yUY7iv
Great question! If you use them on a light/white shiny background, they won't show. Same as a regular (non-foiled) waterslide on a white tumbler. However, I used a black background here just to make sure the metallics of the foil would be obvious on camera, and black is not a great background color for waterslides in general. It hides all colors and the edges do show somewhat. So as long as you're using any waterslide (inkjet or this foil method) on a white/light shiny tumbler, no worries! 😁
Thank you!!! Theoretically, it should work on overhead film - anything that can deal with some heat and pressure (but isn’t too sticky) should work 🤔😁😁😁
I don't have a lamination machine. Wonder if I could make this work with a heat press, hummmm. Also, something spooky for the costers and tray lol. I love when you do sort of "weird" designs, or maybe steampunk. Not sure what color foils you have. I'm sure we'll love whatever you end up making.
Thanks!! Great ideas 😁 Not sure about using a heat press, but it seems like it might work - I’d test it with a very short press on low heat to start. I’m not sure how hot laminators get, although that info is probably available online in the specs of any given laminator.
Yeah, I know that’s a real problem for folks with creating this particular type of waterslide. The one workaround that another viewer suggested is to put your graphic print file(s) onto a flash or thumb drive, and take that plus some of the inkjet waterslide paper to a business service place like Kinkos. They can print your graphics onto the waterslide paper using their laser copier, which uses the same black toner. Then you take those prints home and do the foiling yourself with a laminator or minc foiling machine. It’s obviously more work but quite a bit cheaper than buying a laser printer.
It *should* work, brand shouldn’t really matter. But the only type of waterslide decal paper I have is the Hiipoo, so I haven’t had an opportunity to test any others yet.
The best way I’ve found to not have waterslide edges show (or not show much) is to fix the waterslide image after you print it or foil it with a couple layers of Plastidip Glossifier spray. Once dry, trim as close to the image as possible and apply them to a shiny flat surface. So if you want to apply the waterslide directly onto a painted tumbler, use a gloss spray paint on the tumbler, or (even though it takes longer) apply a layer of resin first then apply the waterslide once the resin hardens. Hopefully this helps. It can take some experimenting to find the best method for you.
Unfortunately, it won’t. The thing that the foil sticks to is the black laser toner. Another option is to have a thumbnail drive with your design saved on it and take it to a place like Kinkos where they can print it out on a laser copier so you’ll have it printed with the correct toner.
If you mean the minc, just go for a much cheaper laminator instead - it works with those, too. I show that in this video on the other channel: ruclips.net/video/vNWfXw6iodY/видео.html
The minc is basically a fancier version of a laminator, with more pressure and heat settings. I also show this foil technique on waterside paper on my other channel using a basic laminator. It does work with either machine. ruclips.net/video/vNWfXw6iodY/видео.html
Ok this technique of foil application is a new game changer. Thank you Cindy for sharing your tests. Do you think a regular laminator would work as well? I almost bought a minc a few years back but for card making purposes it never seemed practical enough.
Thank you!! Yes, it definitely works. I'm recording a video now for the tumbler channel, using foiled waterslides, and just to make sure it would work with a basic laminator, that's what I used -- worked perfectly!
just tried it and failed. i used transourdream inkjet/laserjet clear waterslide paper printed in a laserjet printer and my foil stuck to all the paper but not the toner .tried it on normal paper and it worked .so slightly peed off
I'm sorry that happened! My guess is that the waterslide paper -- being for both inkjet and laserjet printers -- was the problem. The reason that laser printer waterslide paper won't work is because it gets way too sticky when it's run through the laminator with the foil. So this stuff that is labeled for both types of printers must be enough like the just-laserjet waterslide paper that it was too sticky also. It apparently really needs to be waterslide decal paper made just for inkjet printers, so a lot less sticky when heated.
I think that’s one of the most common culprits for foiled waterslides not turning out well. I’ve tried the kind of waterslide that says it works in both inkjet and laser printers, but it’s too sticky. You do need an inkjet only waterslide paper, but it’s quite possible that some brands work better than others.
They might or might not in this situation because of the black background, but on a white or light-colored, shiny surface, which is more common for waterslide use, they definitely do.
Hi! Sorry to hear that. The time I tried it and got that same result as you, I was using a waterslide paper that was rated for both inkjet and laser printers, thinking that would be great cuz I could use it for pretty much any type of waterslide I needed. But the foil stuck to the entire sheet. 🤬 However, if that’s not what you used. If you used waterslide paper specifically for inkjet printers in your laser printer, then that’s a little trickier to figure out. I would try getting a different brand of inkjet waterslide paper and see if that solves the problem. Another possibility is that somehow too much laser toner got onto the waterslide paper when you printed, and the foil basically stuck to everything. If you have a color laser printer, try printing with your printer set to monotone black (if that’s an option in your printer settings). Color laser printers make black by using all of the toner colors, so it’s not really a true black and might mess things up a bit. I’m sorry don’t have a more definitive solution, but see if a different brand of inkjet waterslide decal paper helps, and please come back and let us know!
Ohhhh, ok, yes, that’s definitely the problem. It has to be inkjet waterslide paper, because waterslide paper made for laser printers is too sticky when it’s heated up with the foil, so - as you found out - the foil sticks to the entire thing. If you rewatch this video at about the 1:19 minute mark, I do say that it has to be inkjet waterslide paper that you use in a laser printer. That’s the key. So you should be all set then. Good luck 😊
Thanks for the question! No, any basic laminator machine will work fine. And I've been told by a couple folks that they were also able to do this with a heat press, so also probably an iron. But that would take some testing to figure out the heat and time to press for a good transfer.
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In this (rushed, last-second, late) video, I make it seem like waterslides are purely for applying to resin, but they work great on any smooth shiny surface, so on coffee mugs, on glass like picture frames, possibly on plastic (not sure). They do need to be sealed or baked on for durability. What would you use foiled waterslides to decorate??
OMG, I just thought that I would experiment and I’m pleased to say that I dont need a laminator (although I do have one and its a bit old) and yes I used my Cricut heat press instead. Tried a few settings like 300f for 15 sec and found that a bit too high as the foil was creasing so went down in temp to 265f for 15 sec and what a treat. Huge thank you once again xxxxx
That’s fantastic!!! Thank you for the info! That will open this up to even more folks.😊😊
Mine, the foil keep stick to all surface not only to design
Well that was cool! Thanks for sharing!
Sure!! I was excited that it worked, since it totally failed the one other time I’d tried it. 😊😊
Cindy, These are gorgeous can't wait to see you make a Tumbler!
👍💜
Thank you!! 😊😊
I'd love to see it on a white background!!! Very cool!!!
Thank you!!😊
Glad to see you got it to work but I think the issue for me is if the laser printer would melt the decal sheet and possibly damage the printer? Laser printers can run at up to 400 degrees Celsius which is pretty hot so I'd be at least a bit concerned that this would melt the sheet! It seems it worked okay when you tested it though :)
Well, I certainly don’t want you to risk your printer for this, but I will say I did this process (inkjet waterslide paper printed on a laser printer with black toner) many times and never had an issue. In all honesty, the potential problem you’re describing never even occurred to me. But that’s still no guarantee - you’ll need to make that decision.
Hey! Great idea on white tray with coasters and a blue/turquoise color themed foil water slide! I vote for that. These are very pretty.
Thank you!! 😊😊
How creative! Thank you for testing this out!👍 Would love to see it on a tumbler!
Thank you!! 😊😊
Gorgeous!! I love how these turn out. Tfs
Thank you!!
Can’t wait to see this on a tumbler
Thanks! 😊
Can't wait to see you make a tumbler! But I would love to see you use them here in some coasters! And also would like to see how you use them on a coffee mug and the bake method of sealing them. I haven't seen that done before, you have me intrigued and interested in how that would work now. Lol
Thanks!! Bake-on is actually the original way I saw them used years ago because lots of folks don't use resin. Jennifer Maker has a great waterslide video about baking them onto drinkware. But I'll see if I can also get these foiled ones to work that way (I have no idea). 😊😊
@@LuxindasOtherObsessions can't wait to see you try it!!
I really love this! I definitely would love to see it on a white background! You should sell these!
Thank you!! I did actually use a foiled waterslide on a very light blue tumbler recently, if you haven’t seen the video
ruclips.net/video/vNWfXw6iodY/видео.html
waiting for that beautiful teal floral to appear on a tumbler!!
Thanks!😊
When you wish you had a laser printer to try this out. Really cool technique and excited to see the other ways you use it.
Thank you!! If you look through the comments here, someone else said the same, and got a great reply suggesting that a print place like kinkos will make black-and-white laser copies for you on any paper you give them (so clear inkjet waterslide paper) so you can give this a try.
What’s the pouch you used when going through the laminator?
It’s parchment paper - I get it at Walmart in the kitchen paper aisle (where you’d find cling film and aluminum foil, etc). Also available online. It’s great because nothing sticks to it and it can resist high heat, so it’s used a lot in baking:
amzn.to/3PO3ULs
Now I need to get a laser printer! Great job.
Thanks! If you can't find a cheapo black laser printer, another option some viewers made me aware of is you can load whatever design you want to print onto a thumb drive, then take it and some inkjet waterslide paper to a local printing place like Kinkos, and they'll print the design(s) onto the paper with their laser copier, which would also work.
Very nice!!
Thanks!! 😊
You could use the foil after transfer in a tray or coasters.
Sure!
DId Hiipoo go out of business? Website doesn't appear to have any products and can't find the decal sheets you used anywhere!
Great question, I’m not sure. Let me go take a look.👀
Well, it does indeed seem like Hiipoo has migrated to strictly sublimation supplies, no more waterslide paper. Huh!
Okay, well, my second-favorite waterslide paper is Sunnyscopa. And they’re still selling inkjet waterslide paper. Remember to get the inkjet version even though you’ll print it with a laser printer.
amzn.to/3yUY7iv
@@LuxindasOtherObsessions fab thanks for the new supplier! :)
Awesome
Thank you!!😊
Great video! I wish I had a laminator. 👍🏽
Thanks for watching!!
Hey Cindy...great tutorial! Do the edges, showing the water slide paper, disappear under resin, or are they still visible?
Great question! If you use them on a light/white shiny background, they won't show. Same as a regular (non-foiled) waterslide on a white tumbler. However, I used a black background here just to make sure the metallics of the foil would be obvious on camera, and black is not a great background color for waterslides in general. It hides all colors and the edges do show somewhat. So as long as you're using any waterslide (inkjet or this foil method) on a white/light shiny tumbler, no worries! 😁
WOW 😮😮
Omg so amazing ❤
Thank you!!😊
So cool, I cannot Wait to try this! How about foiling on overhead projector film? Can that be done, too? Luv ya!! ❤💛💚💙💜🌈🌠
Thank you!!! Theoretically, it should work on overhead film - anything that can deal with some heat and pressure (but isn’t too sticky) should work 🤔😁😁😁
Question, will a layer of epoxy hide the clear backing as it does on tumblers?
In this case, on a black background, it might not. But on a white or light-colored background, yes, definitely!
I don't have a lamination machine. Wonder if I could make this work with a heat press, hummmm.
Also, something spooky for the costers and tray lol. I love when you do sort of "weird" designs, or maybe steampunk. Not sure what color foils you have. I'm sure we'll love whatever you end up making.
Thanks!! Great ideas 😁
Not sure about using a heat press, but it seems like it might work - I’d test it with a very short press on low heat to start. I’m not sure how hot laminators get, although that info is probably available online in the specs of any given laminator.
Wish I had a laser printer
Yeah, I know that’s a real problem for folks with creating this particular type of waterslide. The one workaround that another viewer suggested is to put your graphic print file(s) onto a flash or thumb drive, and take that plus some of the inkjet waterslide paper to a business service place like Kinkos. They can print your graphics onto the waterslide paper using their laser copier, which uses the same black toner. Then you take those prints home and do the foiling yourself with a laminator or minc foiling machine. It’s obviously more work but quite a bit cheaper than buying a laser printer.
Do you think it’ll work on any other inkjet printer water decal brand
It *should* work, brand shouldn’t really matter. But the only type of waterslide decal paper I have is the Hiipoo, so I haven’t had an opportunity to test any others yet.
Is there a way to hide the edges?
The best way I’ve found to not have waterslide edges show (or not show much) is to fix the waterslide image after you print it or foil it with a couple layers of Plastidip Glossifier spray. Once dry, trim as close to the image as possible and apply them to a shiny flat surface. So if you want to apply the waterslide directly onto a painted tumbler, use a gloss spray paint on the tumbler, or (even though it takes longer) apply a layer of resin first then apply the waterslide once the resin hardens. Hopefully this helps. It can take some experimenting to find the best method for you.
Will this work with an inkjet printer? I don’t have a laser printer
Unfortunately, it won’t. The thing that the foil sticks to is the black laser toner. Another option is to have a thumbnail drive with your design saved on it and take it to a place like Kinkos where they can print it out on a laser copier so you’ll have it printed with the correct toner.
This is a game changer.... however no laser printer. What a bummer...
FedEx,/Kinkos will copy with a laser machine for pennies. Especially if you bring the water slide paper.
@@lilaflohr602 Thanks I did not know that..💙🎨💙
I didn’t know you can use inkjet water paper in a laser printer?? Just stunning
Me neither, but I’m glad others figured it out, because I love this effect!😊😊
@@LuxindasOtherObsessions thank goodness I didn’t throw away all my inkjet paper!! Now I just have to get one of those machine
If you mean the minc, just go for a much cheaper laminator instead - it works with those, too. I show that in this video on the other channel: ruclips.net/video/vNWfXw6iodY/видео.html
@@LuxindasOtherObsessions oh my you just saved me money I already have one lol
Is this "minc" the same as a laminator?
The minc is basically a fancier version of a laminator, with more pressure and heat settings. I also show this foil technique on waterside paper on my other channel using a basic laminator. It does work with either machine.
ruclips.net/video/vNWfXw6iodY/видео.html
I made all of the same mistakes you made when I tried this the first few times lol
It's definitely a different way of using waterslides than I'm used to!
Ok this technique of foil application is a new game changer. Thank you Cindy for sharing your tests. Do you think a regular laminator would work as well? I almost bought a minc a few years back but for card making purposes it never seemed practical enough.
Thank you!! Yes, it definitely works. I'm recording a video now for the tumbler channel, using foiled waterslides, and just to make sure it would work with a basic laminator, that's what I used -- worked perfectly!
@@LuxindasOtherObsessions oh so good to hear. Another possibility of endless ideas🤯
just tried it and failed. i used transourdream inkjet/laserjet clear waterslide paper printed in a laserjet printer and my foil stuck to all the paper but not the toner .tried it on normal paper and it worked .so slightly peed off
I'm sorry that happened! My guess is that the waterslide paper -- being for both inkjet and laserjet printers -- was the problem. The reason that laser printer waterslide paper won't work is because it gets way too sticky when it's run through the laminator with the foil. So this stuff that is labeled for both types of printers must be enough like the just-laserjet waterslide paper that it was too sticky also. It apparently really needs to be waterslide decal paper made just for inkjet printers, so a lot less sticky when heated.
I think my waterslide foil isn’t the right one - after putting the minc on it and running through laminator, I got so many spots all over
I think that’s one of the most common culprits for foiled waterslides not turning out well. I’ve tried the kind of waterslide that says it works in both inkjet and laser printers, but it’s too sticky. You do need an inkjet only waterslide paper, but it’s quite possible that some brands work better than others.
I’ll be interested to see if the water slide edges will disappear under a coat of epoxy.
They might or might not in this situation because of the black background, but on a white or light-colored, shiny surface, which is more common for waterslide use, they definitely do.
I tried this and it foiled the whole piece of waterslide paper what did I do wrong?
Hi! Sorry to hear that. The time I tried it and got that same result as you, I was using a waterslide paper that was rated for both inkjet and laser printers, thinking that would be great cuz I could use it for pretty much any type of waterslide I needed. But the foil stuck to the entire sheet. 🤬
However, if that’s not what you used. If you used waterslide paper specifically for inkjet printers in your laser printer, then that’s a little trickier to figure out. I would try getting a different brand of inkjet waterslide paper and see if that solves the problem. Another possibility is that somehow too much laser toner got onto the waterslide paper when you printed, and the foil basically stuck to everything. If you have a color laser printer, try printing with your printer set to monotone black (if that’s an option in your printer settings). Color laser printers make black by using all of the toner colors, so it’s not really a true black and might mess things up a bit.
I’m sorry don’t have a more definitive solution, but see if a different brand of inkjet waterslide decal paper helps, and please come back and let us know!
@@LuxindasOtherObsessions thank you for your input, I used laser printer waterslide paper. I will try using inkjet paper in the laser printer
Ohhhh, ok, yes, that’s definitely the problem. It has to be inkjet waterslide paper, because waterslide paper made for laser printers is too sticky when it’s heated up with the foil, so - as you found out - the foil sticks to the entire thing. If you rewatch this video at about the 1:19 minute mark, I do say that it has to be inkjet waterslide paper that you use in a laser printer. That’s the key. So you should be all set then. Good luck 😊
Do you have to use a mici heat sourse
Thanks for the question! No, any basic laminator machine will work fine. And I've been told by a couple folks that they were also able to do this with a heat press, so also probably an iron. But that would take some testing to figure out the heat and time to press for a good transfer.
@@LuxindasOtherObsessions thanks