Remington Mosin Nagant
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- Опубликовано: 11 дек 2024
- Czar Nicholas' regime ordered Mosin Nagants from
Remington. Then the revolution happened and Remington ended up in financial trouble because the Bolsheviks wouldn't pay. Here is one of the Remingtons ordered by the last Czar.
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The star with the arrow inside is a Tula factory marking.
Thanks Pyry
Remington Mosins were practically given away when I was in high school. If I'd only known...
I missed so many things like this. Oh well...life is still great : )
Yes my father bought a 1917 for $89 CAD when I was 14 33 years ago and now I basically own it. I put a ATI synthetic Monte Carlo stock on it and use it for bear hunting. I love the rifle.
Odd that they had Remington Mosins and Winchester 1895's at least in our minds today after the post soviet era.
Interesting isn't it. And the industrial machine of the USA was already so significant and far reaching back then.
U.S troops were issued them as well when deployed to Russia during the revolution.
The Polar bear expedition a bunch of Michigan boys where deployed to fight the Bolsheviks and protect Allied supplies as well as link up with the Czech legion.
The Remington is a Model 1891. The Russian Tula unit is a Model 91/30. That accounts for the different length barrels.
Thanks John - I didn't know.
I have the Remington 1917 and I figured out it's a Finland rifle from the markins payed 28.00 bucks for it in the eighties . Tks.
I picked up a Remington Mosin Nagant 25+ years ago packed in cosmoline, original leather and is a tack driver.
Phenomenal buy Alec - a superb rifle. Good call - 25+ years ago.
Remington Mosin, you learn something new everyday, wonder how many of these are around, that Polish one is a pretty rifle!
I sure do learn something new every day Michael : )
I grew up on the waterfront shipping industry becoming a Customs Broker in the early 80's. Mr. Jno G. McGiffin owned a steamship company (agency) and a Customs Brokerage business as well. He was a well respected gentleman and wrote articles for a local publication, The Seafarer and his part was labeled "The Way it Was". He had a very good memory and once talked about our home guard using Russian rifles to guard the docks. Due to his age I'm pretty sure he was talking about WWII, but it could have been WWI. I wish I still had the publication.
Very interesting - maybe he was referring to Remington rifles for Russians. : )
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I just did a little research and I was not aware that Remington made the 91 rifles as well as Westinghouse. I wish I could remember what war it was. It's even possible that the rifles had been converted by Bannerman to .30-06.
One ended up in my rifle rack. Beautiful piece, and an uncertain history that it served with US Archangel troops. Some went to guard units and some of the units went to Archangel. No real records survived that were definitive. I don't shoot it much as I'm afraid modern ammo will one day make me cry.
Great to have one - I'll try mine vs the Soviet made rifle soon.
Thank you for this video. I thoroughly enjoy my ‘42 and wonder where it travelled.
For sure these evoke all kinds of thoughts about history and war and much more.
Have a Merry Christmas, Thanks for your videos.
You too Murray - have the best Christmas!
I mentioned recently that I acquired a Remington Mosin Nagant by chance in 2001. It has the sling swivels the same as yours. Notice on your Soviet Mosin Nagant has slots in the shoulder stock and lower fore grip.
I happened to remember that I ordered my Remington Mosin Nagant as it had been used in the Finland Winter War after the Soviet invasion of Finland on 30 November 1939. As I understand, Finland repurposed firearms from numerous sources out of desperation. I also own a Swedish Carl Gustov M96 Mauser with a Finnish cartouche. When I purchased these Finnish firearms I was participating in a forum operated by Tuco.
Interesting Rich - from my Finnish viewers I know that Finland fought as hard and as bravely as any nation and people can - and perfected and maximized all weapons against all odds. I have to say I admire them. Their rifles and industry and sense of national pride remain strong. I wish all nations had the sense of common purpose; maybe then we would stop hurting one another. Just a thought.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I couldn't have said it better. I have to admire the Finns for their courage and tenacity against very difficult odds.
Great going Mike. You practically over everything in 10 odd minutes. Keep up the good work
Thanks Asim!
The joint Force Headquarters for the NC national guard had a Remington Morin on display for a long while. Apparently many of the Remington Miami’s went to guard units
Now I know - thank you!
For all the negative things people say about the Mosin-Nagant what no one can dispute is that it works. I know that people like to debate/discuss as to whether the Mosin, 1903 Springfield, Mauser 98, Lee-Enfield, and other bolt action military rifles are superior to one another, but the basic fact is that from an engineering perspective they are pretty much technologically equal.
Regarding the history of that era a book by Miranda Carter called George, Nicholas and Wilhelm: Three Royal Cousins and the Road to World War I is one that I highly recommend.
Anyhow, thank you for showing such an interesting Remington rifle.
Thank you! I'll find the book!
Mike, I just love the way you decorate your room... rifles... shotguns... all over the place... what's not to like? Beautiful!
Interior decorating : )
Interesting piece of history. Thanks for the video
Great video's sir from the UK..
Always love hearing from the Realm. Glad to have you on board.
The idea of the long barrels was as much for getting your bayonet out there (like the foot soldier's pike), as well as having a a longer sight radius.
Informative.... thank you Sir 👍
Your Remington Mosin Nagant is a Finnish capture. I had a Westinghouse Mosin Nagant that was also a Finnish capture. The American Mosin Nagants were M91's, same as the Russian Mosin Nagants from that time period. Same length barrel, stocks looked the same etc... Yours has Finnish sling hangers on it. They aren't Remington original. A lot of us Mosin Nagant collectors are passionate about the different models. haha A Remington Mosin Nagant in original form is worth more than a Finnish capture model. More rare is why. Nice to see you have an interest in milsurps.
That is so interesting and good to know! I had no idea - I like the "Remington" on the receiver ring. Simple things for simple minds : )
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I have a 1942 Tikka M91 in mint condition. New condition barrel. It's very accurate. Nice tight bore that shoots .308 bullets very well. The M91 is a very nice rifle. I prefer Finnish rifles over the other Mosin Nagants. The Americsn made Mosins are cool. Did you read up on the Polar Bear Expedition?
Interesting that the barrel is slightly LONGER...as if these things aren't long enough lol As always, thanks for sharing!
Funny isn't it - long as rakes - but that was the thinking back then. I wonder what thinking we now believe in that in a few years will be a curiosity - a source of humor.
Almost everybody, as you have said, has a Remington in their collection, and this could be said for this venerable old military 'make' of Mosin Nagant. I have two, one was made when
I was,,... and is in fairly good condition ( as I am not, these days! ) the other had a badly beaten up stock, which I asked 'my Gunsmith to change over to an everyday shooting rifle
by replacing the stock with an ATI offering . He also shortened and re-crowned the barrel , also installing a machined muzzle brake on it too. It is a surprisingly accurate shooter now.
I enjoy both by looking at and shooting them, every now and then.
Hi Reg - I've seen some very fine sporters built on the Mosin. Some are not original or collectors items so gunnners turn them into scoped hunting rifles - and they can match or surpass more modern rifles, useful and accurate.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Yes, indeed, and thanks for your reply.
I almost bought one from a collector, he still had the target from Remington that went with the gun. The quality was so much better than what the milsurp Mosins out there now look like. Reminds me of the Savage made .303 Enfields.
Good comparison - I was looking at my Mosins - I like the Remington best - I like something about a "Russian" rifle made by Remington. Sort of like an AK made by Winchester. Hope you get one - excellent in every way.
There you have it colussion 😂😂😂
: )
I had one of those! but it was rebuilt into a 91/30
Your Remington is a Finnish capture. It was refurbished by the Finns. It has a Finnish stock and typical sling swivels. The rear sight has Finnish metric distance markings on the right side. I have one exactly the same as yours in my collection.
Super helpful! I really don't know much/enough about these. Thanks to you , now I know. This is such a fine rifle - I took it to the range and it is as accurate as any "modern" rifle; and of course - flawless operation.
the "american" Mosin is an m91 mosin, while your tula one is a m91/30
Thank you!
I attended a gun show here in Florida over the weekend. There was a fair representation of Mauser - Mosin bolt action rifles ranging from $500 to %1500. The most important factor for me was the condition of the bore. There are a myriad of videos suggesting different methods to inspect the bore and look for wear. Some more approachable - logical than others. When you entertain the purchase of a new "old" traditional rifle how do you inspect the bore? That might be a good topic for a video. Take care and all the best.
Hi Rick - Glad you made it to the show. Good question on bore condition. I have a pretty simple system: for military surplus rifles and antiques I pay little attention to bore condition as I am mainly interested in the rifle as an example of its type - a specimen; I'd like the rifle to be complete or as complete as possible and matching numbers on parts don't matter to me. The action is the core value. Mostly these shoot surprisingly well anyway. Some older rifles have almost no rifling - my friends and I are not deterred from buying if everything else is okay. For other rifles most owners reduce their asking price if the bore is worn - simply because others with near new bores are available. I change my mind sometimes - but mostly the above is how I think and feel. Hope this makes sense. All the best to you Rick!
The Remington contract rifles have a wide and interesting diaspora.
Some made it to Russia and onward.
Bannerman bought a portion, converted them to 30-06.
The US military made use of some and sold some through the CMP.
Most interesting are those that came back to the US in crates during the early 2000's from Russia.
Made in America for czarist Russia, used by the Bolsheviks, captures by Germany, absorbed back into Russia, used against the American backed Taliban in the 80's then sold to a descendent of one of the Remington workers who made the damned thing a hundred years ago.
Very nice
The American made Mosin looks like it's in a Berdan stock with the front swivel.
Interesting - I'll have a look. I like the Remington a lot.
I have a few. They are neat rifles. I also have a Remington, that I found at a pawn shop for a bargain. I have a Russian and a Polish M44. Both are great. My Russian is in unfired condition. My Polish is kinda rough. I also have a M38. I've been looking for some of the rarer examples. They are great for people who are just getting into collecting.
Hi SRT Mike - is my Remington a typical example or do the features mean something other than a routing Remington? Please let me know. Thanks!
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns for yours, the upper wood does seem to be a replacement. Yours still has the sling loops. A cool thing that you can look for: Is it marked "US" on the stock, in front of the magazine? That would show if yours was actually used by the US forces. My understanding is that a lot of them stayed in the states. My example has no "US" marking, but it also doesn't have any import marks.
If all of the numbers are matching, not forced matched, that is an awesome find.
Also, it would probably be difficult for you to find a Russian M91, to compare to the Remington. Most of the original Russian guns were re-arsenaled to 91/30s.
I've been collecting Mosin Nagants for years and never heard of a Remington made model
Hi Michael - Sure is something - at least for me - to see the Remington stamps on the Mosin. Here is an article www.ammoland.com/2020/04/the-remington-mosin-nagant-an-all-american-pre-soviet-rifle/#axzz6v5sqArMM
Half of Remington (and Westinghouse) production were sent to Russia before the revolution. The Finns captured large amounts of Soviet Mosins in the Winter War 1939-40. Yours looks like one of those, with a replacement stock and handguard and metal sling swivels.
Such rugged and excellent rifles.
I just bought a 1918 Remington Mosin Nagant today at a pawn shop for $500. not sure if I over paid but I thought it was amazing and worth it. I knew it was a russian weapon so I was confused about the Remington stamp until I googled the history. The wood on top is exactly like yours and much lighter in color than the rest of the stock so maybe it wasn't replaced. It might have been sourced and made separately from the rest of the stock.
Good buy - the Remington Mosins are not so common and change hands at higher prices. Actually, guns of all kinds seem to be going up in value - especially used guns and classic firearms. Well done!
Nice video. One video I would like to see is on the Husqvarna 1600, 640, and other commercial series rifles. And the differences. Along with the Carl Gustaf commercial rifles.
Will do Dan.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns That would be great! There is a lot of us that collect the military Swedish Mausers, but we don't know a lot about the commercial rifles. The differences through the 50s' 60's 70s. Also the Carl Gustaf commercial rifles.
I love my 1941 M1891/30 Mosin Nagant.
Great rifle GR
Your Remington is in the early m91 pattern and your Russian mosin is in the later 91/30 variant that's why there different. Have always enjoyed your channel.
Thanks Perry6!
Love ur vids bro
Thanks St! Glad you do.
The hand guards for the m91's are not as tough as the 91/30 counterparts.
Remington mosins are great, but I prefer the Finnish examples. Their ingenuity and resilience always inspires me!
I like that - "inspires" - yes indeed - tough, reliable, accurate.
some remington mosin nagant was used by american army in russian civil war (1918 - 1920), very collectable rifle
Thats a finn rifle. it has the finn sling hangers. probably a 2 piece stock
that is a remington that was re-worked by the finns. very easy to spot. has an SA mark on the side of the reciever. look at the sights. the finns crossed out the old marks on the left and remarked it on the right. a REAL remington M91 is more valuable because they are HARD to find. most you will find came from Finland.
Hello, my friend. Enjoy your channel. Have a few comments, though, on this video. It's very likely the Russian made comparison rifle was of the same vintage as the Remington. Both are hex receivers, however the Russian was likely rebuilt in the 30's with a Soviet barrel and contemporary sights (marked in meters instead or arshins) and replaced wood and hardware.
Actually, quite a number of the Remington and Westinghouse rifles made their way to czarist Russia before the revolution....of course, getting paid was an issue. That's where the US Army comes into play. Besides the government bailing out Remington on the unpaid rifle order, the army sent an expedition (the Polar Bears, men from Michigan) to guard the delivered rifles and other munitions in Murmansk and Archangel in 1918-1919. The idea was to keep this stuff out of Bolshevik hands. About the only time Americans and Russians actually got into a shooting war with one another. Of course that's a whole other story!
The polar bears were issued moisins thinking it would solve some logistic problems. Only other use for them was training. Eventually, those in government hands were surpluses out very cheaply. Bannermanns got bunches of them and sold a number converted to handle 30-06, too.
I had a Remington moisin that was re imported from Finland back in the 1990's. They too captured a lot of Russian stuff and used it. Mine was counterbored and didn't shoot particularly straight! I'm sure the Finns used Remington and Westinghouse receivers to build their excellent moisin variations, too.
So interesting - I had no idea. Thanks for sending.
Que tal buen días saludos amigo yo tengo un Remington mossin nagan
Have you slugged the barrel of the Remington. I'm curious to know if it's a true 30 caliber. From what I understand, most of the grove diameters in soviet rifles were around .310 or .311 not the US .308. That would put them closer too the British .303
Hi John - I only checked at the muzzle and the Remington has the larger bore just as you described. My other Mosin's are the same. I'll check my Polish M44. I often shoot the surplus ammo and everything seems to be fine. Decent accuracy. Thanks for writing.
Enjoy shooting my 43 Mosin. Like to see a video comparing it to the Springfield 1903 which I also enjoy shooting. Maybe have a shoot off between the two.
Good idea Roger!
I realize this is an older video. But i just got my 1st chance to purchase a Nagant. At my local shop they had about 6 of them. I looked at two of them and both just happened ot be Remington made. I purchased one and wish i had enough for both on me but i didnt. Im of course still waiting on the NIC's to come back! LOL that will be in another day or two. Friday or Saturday the 15th or 16th, they said......I just purchased it yesterday so hehe Along with another AR15 lower ;>) always. In any case I plan to go back in and look at the others? When i pick up mine. Those i believe are Russian made and the one other Remington is already spoken for now so. What should i look for ,other then bore condition. Because i think the Remington's is good but i would like two decent shooters. But if theres anything else anyone can ,suggest i look for ,over other things please help me out? Id like to get the one worth the most at a lower price ,if i can? lol always!!! thanks good stuff
Hello my friend - Good bore, matching numbers helps and overall "appeal" - does the rifle look like it could go out and do battle? Or came from battle - you'll know what's best.
Check out some of the rifles Remington made for France.
Thanks OG - will do.
Thanks for the comparison of the rifles. Who knew that the Russians bought rifles from the Americans? Thanks for also talking about the Polish M44 which I believe was on the gun table in a previous video where you talked about a pair of .22 with nylon stocks.
You're most welcome. I like that Polish M44 - handles and shoots so well! Thanks for being on the channel.
I want one!
Thank you
You'll find one : )
Many of our regiments which went to Russia to help the White Russians following WW I were armed with American made Russian Mosin Nagants because ammunition was so common for it.
Thanks Patrick - more history that I didn't know.
Tula star just like my SKS 1952
It's a nice star for sure. I didn't know they star was on SKS as well. Probably on my SKS as well - I just didn't notice.
Which caliber is it the Remington 1917? I have one of those but don’t say which caliber is it
Hi J - that's 7.62x54R
Does anyone know where to find the video usog vid on the precision shooter making holes to put in a note book? Thanks
Hi Gary - ruclips.net/video/1aHtJZXqgU4/видео.html
Cheers - Mike
this is a tula star, anybody who know mosin's knows this.
Waaaaaawwwww
Finns are the best.
A lot of people tell me they make the best rifles. : )
I don't care where the mosin nagant was it's still garbage wouldn't even make a decent fence post same thing with the carcano
I always like a clear opinion. Still, I think these would make a very unique fence. : )
USOG each to their own likes and dislikes I saw a number of them and the Lee enfields mausers springfields and 1917 eddystones around as a kid growing up 99% were sporterised and used for deer hunting lot of ww2 vets around then and they used them once in awhile you'd see a arisaka even never cared for the milsurps unless they were a Mauser or Springfield and sporterised after market stocks barrels and triggers that way original nope not at all interested