Wolverine & The X-Men + Hulk VS: The Forgotten Marvel Universe

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  • Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024

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  • @JonP1245
    @JonP1245 4 года назад +136

    kinda sad that these shows were forgotten they were so much better than the ones we have now.

    • @SuperSwimTeam7
      @SuperSwimTeam7  4 года назад +6

      I couldn't agree more

    • @Excelsior2043
      @Excelsior2043 4 года назад +2

      Sign the petitions guys!!!
      www.change.org/p/netflix-revive-avengers-earth-s-mightiest-heroes-on-netflix
      I just recently felt nostalgia about the show as this was how I was first introduced to the Avengers way back in 2010 and rewatched the entire series. Hands down and without a doubt, the best Marvel show of all time!
      I was even surprised to see that there seems to be a recent surge in conversation about the show like with this video and even learnt that they were actually setting up an entire ANIMATED MARVEL UNIVERSE with confirmation that Spectacular Spiderman (objectively the best spiderman cartoon), Hulk VS and Wolverine and The X-Men series being part of the universe!
      Now that Disney+ is here, and there has been a recent revival of amazing shows like Young Justice and Clone Wars, I'm sure that if enough of us speak up about how this show was so beloved (and profitable), I believe we could see the return of such a gem.
      If enough conversation comes up, I'm confident this show could be revived again and continue our dream of an animated marvel universe which rivals the likes of the DCAU (Justice League Animated/Batman Animated) and even rival shows like Young Justice and Avatar The Last Airbender if they bring back the original creators and voices of the show with some new and existing talents of the animated industry like Lauren Montgomery and Josh Keaton back as the rightful voice of Spiderman or new voices like Yuri Lowenthal.
      www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-restore-the-josh-keaton-dubs-of-avengers-earth-s-mightiest-heroes
      I hope they keep the original vision and Thomas Perkins' art style of the show with an updated animation quality and some modernised and mature themes and also bring in new characters like Miles Morales, Ms Marvel, Namor, Silver Surfer, Doctor Strange and even obscure characters/teams like 3D-Man, Crystar, Morbius, Damien Hellstrom, Squadron Supreme, Agents of Atlas, The Ultimates, Runaways, Excalibur/MI13, Power Pack, Defenders of the Deep, The Winter Guard, Young Avengers, The Annihilators, Alpha Flight, The Ultimate Avengers, The Eternals, Illuminati, Ultraforce and etc. They should also tie up loose ends like the New Avengers, Hulk's story arc, Surtur arc, expand on the universe/multiverse with Secret Invasion, the Kree-Skrull War and Spiderverse and introduce beloved storylines as well as new original ones like Infinity Gauntlet, Civil War (introducing Winter Soldier), Dark Phoenix, Days of Future Past, World War Hulk(s), Avengers vs X-Men, Dr Doom (Doomwar), House of M, War of the Realms, Infinity Wars, Fear Itself, Absolute Carnage, Siege, release a less rushed Season 2, Galactus Arc and even do their version of Secret Wars 2015 as a huge finale event!!!
      They could also do Solo Spinoffs for members of the main team along the way and revive Spectacular Spiderman, Wolverine and The X-Men, Hulk VS series, Fantastic Four with new shows like Inhumans, Guardians of the Galaxy, The Defenders, Midnight Sons, Doctor Strange Sorcerers Supreme, Deadpool, Thunderbolts, Agents of Atlas and Black Panther King of Wakanda to go concurrently with the Avengers Series!
      Last to top it off, they should have main writer Christopher Yost and Joshua Fine to continue writing the amazing story development and worldbuilding of the show and appoint Craig Kyle as president of Marvel Animation!
      www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-appoint-craig-kyle-as-president-of-marvel-animation

    • @Optimegatrongodzilla
      @Optimegatrongodzilla 4 года назад +4

      @@SuperSwimTeam7 "Thor: Tales of Asgard" is set in that universe. Chris Yost confirmed it. I don't think that "Planet Hulk" is though.

    • @thediamondjet2253
      @thediamondjet2253 3 года назад

      @@Excelsior2043 2,978 signatures😳

    • @BlueTyphoon2017
      @BlueTyphoon2017 2 года назад

      @@Optimegatrongodzilla same with earths mightiest hero’s, it’s called the yost universe on the marvel wiki

  • @GiantGeekGuy
    @GiantGeekGuy 3 года назад +29

    Avengers: EMH, Spectacular Spider-Man, Wolverine and the X-men, Hulk vs., and also including X-Men Evolution, Fantastic Four: WGH, The Ultimate Avengers, Doctor Strange: SS, and Next Avengers are the movies and shows that introduced me to the greater Marvel Universe as a kid, even before reading the comics. Even just mentioning these shows bring me on a nostalgia trip.

    • @KillerKingTy23
      @KillerKingTy23 6 месяцев назад

      All of those plus The Superhero Squad Show and games like ultimate alliance and the first Lego Marvel Superheroes for me.

  • @jimistinger1604
    @jimistinger1604 4 года назад +78

    Logan: we bring the...
    Beast: the Avengers?
    Logan: no!
    Beast: spiderman?
    Logan: NO!!! The X Men
    Beast: okay

    • @IronKnightPrime
      @IronKnightPrime 4 года назад +2

      Spider-man is spelt with a line in between spider and man Stan Lee himself said that the line is important

    • @elijahblechman8633
      @elijahblechman8633 4 года назад +1

      Is that a line from the show?

    • @invisiblejaguar1
      @invisiblejaguar1 4 года назад +1

      I could imagine Beast saying that as he has been an Avenger too.

    • @defunctgoosebumpsaccount
      @defunctgoosebumpsaccount 3 года назад

      @@elijahblechman8633 no

    • @nofacedgoldfish6216
      @nofacedgoldfish6216 3 года назад

      If I had a nickel for everytime Spider-Man corrected someone for forgetting the hyphen...

  • @criticalspectrum8383
    @criticalspectrum8383 5 лет назад +79

    Me nutting that Spectacular Spider-man, Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Wolverine and X-Men and Hulk vs are all in the world 😂😂😂

    • @Alterbrap
      @Alterbrap 5 лет назад +4

      But it's November m8?

    • @criticalspectrum8383
      @criticalspectrum8383 5 лет назад +3

      @@Alterbrap ik 😂😂😂

    • @dustinthewind4516
      @dustinthewind4516 4 года назад

      They aren’t...

    • @bluecrusaderfilms
      @bluecrusaderfilms 4 года назад

      @@dustinthewind4516 I disagree Hulk vs Wolverine and Thor are in different worlds for 1 the art style is different and Spectacular Spiderman is more cartoony than aemh.

    • @dustinthewind4516
      @dustinthewind4516 4 года назад

      Julian . A According to Greg Weisman on his Q&A Hulk is an Urban myth during SSM. Look... Buddy... Pal... I know a lot about what I’m talking about here.

  • @Alterbrap
    @Alterbrap 5 лет назад +30

    Hulk vs Wolverine is the best animated thing Marvel has put out...
    *Top 5 Gaming Laptops (2019)*

  • @Backtothezack
    @Backtothezack 4 года назад +18

    The issue with the Avengers Assemble canon is that some episodes such as “molecule kid” have flashbacks to EMH making it canon to that series, but it doesn’t make sense at all due to the fact that the Guardians in that universe is different from the guardians in Assemble and Ultimate Spider-Man, Ultimate Spider-Man, Guardians, and Assemble can’t even get their aligning continuities straight with characters and storylines contradicting each other constantly

    • @SuperSwimTeam7
      @SuperSwimTeam7  4 года назад +3

      Jeez, what a mess, I need to see that episode of Assemble now, I didn't know that

    • @Mr.06_
      @Mr.06_ 4 года назад +6

      Also the same guardians show up in the 2017 Spider-Man show

    • @SuperSwimTeam7
      @SuperSwimTeam7  4 года назад +5

      Such a messy timeline

  • @Asaylum117
    @Asaylum117 4 года назад +13

    Hulk vs. movies is what originaly introduced me to Deadpool and Thor. Unlike most people who always get introduced to these characters from the generic MCU films, I was more interested and invested from the animated movies and shows that were more centered around the original comics, rather then the movies which take only little things from the comics, but then don't go any further with the original comic book stories, because they play it too safe for the kiddies.
    I always enjoyed Marvel more, then DC, because I mostly grew up with Marvel, but nowdays I prefer both. But back then Marvel may not had that many good track records with their animation, especialy in the early 90's, but they still tried to improove themselves in their animation department. I feel like Hulk vs. Wolverine & Thor was a step up in the right direction and later on Wolverine and The X-Men and Spetcauclar Spider-Man came along to develop that further. But of course good things with actual potential with animation always get cancelled.

    • @SuperSwimTeam7
      @SuperSwimTeam7  4 года назад +3

      It's such a shame, we lost these shows too soon. Maybe we'll get a good animated Marvel series again one day

    • @Asaylum117
      @Asaylum117 4 года назад +1

      @@SuperSwimTeam7 Considering that Marvel is currently being held hostage by Disney, I highly doubt that is going to happen any time soon. :/

    • @ticoliro3392
      @ticoliro3392 3 года назад

      @@Asaylum117 my man spitting too much shit

    • @Masochistickoala
      @Masochistickoala 2 года назад

      @@Asaylum117 How do you feel about the new What If series? I generally enjoyed it though the Iron Man and Thor episodes were pretty lack luster everything else was really good. I've enjoyed them a lot more than the movies too.

  • @michaelbrent1536
    @michaelbrent1536 5 лет назад +30

    Don’t forget to include spectacular Spiderman and Avenger Earth Mightiest Heroes again!Marvel is going to bring back all the 90s marvel and Disney cartoons Darkwing duck,Gargoyles,X-men The animated and Spiderman the animated series.Now that Kevin Feig Is in charge of Marvel we can finally get the return of wolverine and The X-men,Avenger Earth Mightiest Heroes and Spectacular Spider-Man!

    • @SuperSwimTeam7
      @SuperSwimTeam7  5 лет назад +2

      ruclips.net/video/wTfV24K5bUI/видео.html I already discussed those here, this is gonna be a follow up to that vid!

    • @Excelsior2043
      @Excelsior2043 4 года назад +1

      Sign the petitions guys!!!
      www.change.org/p/netflix-revive-avengers-earth-s-mightiest-heroes-on-netflix
      I just recently felt nostalgia about the show as this was how I was first introduced to the Avengers way back in 2010 and rewatched the entire series. Hands down and without a doubt, the best Marvel show of all time!
      I was even surprised to see that there seems to be a recent surge in conversation about the show like with this video and even learnt that they were actually setting up an entire ANIMATED MARVEL UNIVERSE with confirmation that Spectacular Spiderman (objectively the best spiderman cartoon), Hulk VS and Wolverine and The X-Men series being part of the universe!
      Now that Disney+ is here, and there has been a recent revival of amazing shows like Young Justice and Clone Wars, I'm sure that if enough of us speak up about how this show was so beloved (and profitable), I believe we could see the return of such a gem.
      If enough conversation comes up, I'm confident this show could be revived again and continue our dream of an animated marvel universe which rivals the likes of the DCAU (Justice League Animated/Batman Animated) and even rival shows like Young Justice and Avatar The Last Airbender if they bring back the original creators and voices of the show with some new and existing talents of the animated industry like Lauren Montgomery and Josh Keaton back as the rightful voice of Spiderman or new voices like Yuri Lowenthal.
      www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-restore-the-josh-keaton-dubs-of-avengers-earth-s-mightiest-heroes
      I hope they keep the original vision and Thomas Perkins' art style of the show with an updated animation quality and some modernised and mature themes and also bring in new characters like Miles Morales, Ms Marvel, Namor, Silver Surfer, Doctor Strange and even obscure characters/teams like 3D-Man, Crystar, Morbius, Damien Hellstrom, Squadron Supreme, Agents of Atlas, The Ultimates, Runaways, Excalibur/MI13, Power Pack, Defenders of the Deep, The Winter Guard, Young Avengers, The Annihilators, Alpha Flight, The Ultimate Avengers, The Eternals, Illuminati, Ultraforce and etc. They should also tie up loose ends like the New Avengers, Hulk's story arc, Surtur arc, expand on the universe/multiverse with Secret Invasion, the Kree-Skrull War and Spiderverse and introduce beloved storylines as well as new original ones like Infinity Gauntlet, Civil War (introducing Winter Soldier), Dark Phoenix, Days of Future Past, World War Hulk(s), Avengers vs X-Men, Dr Doom (Doomwar), House of M, War of the Realms, Infinity Wars, Fear Itself, Absolute Carnage, Siege, release a less rushed Season 2, Galactus Arc and even do their version of Secret Wars 2015 as a huge finale event!!!
      They could also do Solo Spinoffs for members of the main team along the way and revive Spectacular Spiderman, Wolverine and The X-Men, Hulk VS series, Fantastic Four with new shows like Inhumans, Guardians of the Galaxy, The Defenders, Midnight Sons, Doctor Strange Sorcerers Supreme, Deadpool, Thunderbolts, Agents of Atlas and Black Panther King of Wakanda to go concurrently with the Avengers Series!
      Last to top it off, they should have main writer Christopher Yost and Joshua Fine to continue writing the amazing story development and worldbuilding of the show and appoint Craig Kyle as president of Marvel Animation!
      www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-appoint-craig-kyle-as-president-of-marvel-animation

    • @defunctgoosebumpsaccount
      @defunctgoosebumpsaccount 3 года назад +1

      Kevin Feige ruined X-Men

    • @ticoliro3392
      @ticoliro3392 3 года назад

      @@defunctgoosebumpsaccount when?

    • @defunctgoosebumpsaccount
      @defunctgoosebumpsaccount 3 года назад +1

      @@ticoliro3392 He also ruined marvel

  • @lizzumtv
    @lizzumtv 5 лет назад +12

    I’ve been waiting my whole god damn life for this follow up

  • @mario199923
    @mario199923 5 лет назад +22

    I'm pretty sure Tales of Asgard IS canon. Since Chris Yost was the writer. Not only is tales of asgard a really good movie, it sets up Thor to where he starts in Hulk Vs.
    That's really cool that Yost actually confirmed your theory that SSM is in the same universe, I love it when creators please fans like that.
    Now if we can just get Spectacular in the Spider-verse sequel, maybe we can get our third seasons for all these shows.....

    • @SuperSwimTeam7
      @SuperSwimTeam7  5 лет назад +2

      If Yost wrote it, then we may as well call it canon

    • @Excelsior2043
      @Excelsior2043 4 года назад +1

      Sign the petitions guys!!!
      www.change.org/p/netflix-revive-avengers-earth-s-mightiest-heroes-on-netflix
      I just recently felt nostalgia about the show as this was how I was first introduced to the Avengers way back in 2010 and rewatched the entire series. Hands down and without a doubt, the best Marvel show of all time!
      I was even surprised to see that there seems to be a recent surge in conversation about the show like with this video and even learnt that they were actually setting up an entire ANIMATED MARVEL UNIVERSE with confirmation that Spectacular Spiderman (objectively the best spiderman cartoon), Hulk VS and Wolverine and The X-Men series being part of the universe!
      Now that Disney+ is here, and there has been a recent revival of amazing shows like Young Justice and Clone Wars, I'm sure that if enough of us speak up about how this show was so beloved (and profitable), I believe we could see the return of such a gem.
      If enough conversation comes up, I'm confident this show could be revived again and continue our dream of an animated marvel universe which rivals the likes of the DCAU (Justice League Animated/Batman Animated) and even rival shows like Young Justice and Avatar The Last Airbender if they bring back the original creators and voices of the show with some new and existing talents of the animated industry like Lauren Montgomery and Josh Keaton back as the rightful voice of Spiderman or new voices like Yuri Lowenthal.
      www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-restore-the-josh-keaton-dubs-of-avengers-earth-s-mightiest-heroes
      I hope they keep the original vision and Thomas Perkins' art style of the show with an updated animation quality and some modernised and mature themes and also bring in new characters like Miles Morales, Ms Marvel, Namor, Silver Surfer, Doctor Strange and even obscure characters/teams like 3D-Man, Crystar, Morbius, Damien Hellstrom, Squadron Supreme, Agents of Atlas, The Ultimates, Runaways, Excalibur/MI13, Power Pack, Defenders of the Deep, The Winter Guard, Young Avengers, The Annihilators, Alpha Flight, The Ultimate Avengers, The Eternals, Illuminati, Ultraforce and etc. They should also tie up loose ends like the New Avengers, Hulk's story arc, Surtur arc, expand on the universe/multiverse with Secret Invasion, the Kree-Skrull War and Spiderverse and introduce beloved storylines as well as new original ones like Infinity Gauntlet, Civil War (introducing Winter Soldier), Dark Phoenix, Days of Future Past, World War Hulk(s), Avengers vs X-Men, Dr Doom (Doomwar), House of M, War of the Realms, Infinity Wars, Fear Itself, Absolute Carnage, Siege, release a less rushed Season 2, Galactus Arc and even do their version of Secret Wars 2015 as a huge finale event!!!
      They could also do Solo Spinoffs for members of the main team along the way and revive Spectacular Spiderman, Wolverine and The X-Men, Hulk VS series, Fantastic Four with new shows like Inhumans, Guardians of the Galaxy, The Defenders, Midnight Sons, Doctor Strange Sorcerers Supreme, Deadpool, Thunderbolts, Agents of Atlas and Black Panther King of Wakanda to go concurrently with the Avengers Series!
      Last to top it off, they should have main writer Christopher Yost and Joshua Fine to continue writing the amazing story development and worldbuilding of the show and appoint Craig Kyle as president of Marvel Animation!
      www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-appoint-craig-kyle-as-president-of-marvel-animation

    • @IronKnightPrime
      @IronKnightPrime 4 года назад +2

      @@SuperSwimTeam7 is iron man armored adventures connected to this universe because in the first episode of emh:"iron man is born" (which is a reference to his original apeerance in tales of suspense "39) its established that tony has been iron man for quite some time and at the end the season 2 finale episode of iron man armored adventures:mauklaone invasion part two:unite (which they should have called it mauklaone invasion part two:ASSEMBLE) tony falls from an exploding mauklaone mothership and hits the ground but being saved by the armor and breaking his helmet and thus then everyone realizes that tony stark is iron man

    • @HomophobicHomie
      @HomophobicHomie Год назад

      Well you got your wish with spectacular spider-man

    • @josesanchezrodriguez1783
      @josesanchezrodriguez1783 Год назад

      ​@@IronKnightPrimeCaptain America shows up in Armored Adventures while he gets unfrozen much later in EMH

  • @DiegoReviews
    @DiegoReviews 5 лет назад +7

    Great video! I’ve always been curious about Wolverine and the X-Men. It looks like a really solid show.

  • @lethal_sparrow
    @lethal_sparrow 4 года назад +4

    Can I just say... I appreciate you having the PS2 startup sound as your intro... super nostalgic as that's the console I grew up with

  • @hush3130
    @hush3130 4 года назад +15

    I really hope wax and emh get new seasons in Disney plus

    • @SuperSwimTeam7
      @SuperSwimTeam7  4 года назад +6

      That'd be a dream come true

    • @hush3130
      @hush3130 4 года назад +3

      @@SuperSwimTeam7 honestly i started hoping again with the revival of clone wars and the cancellation of avengers assemble even though i doubt it will happen

  • @fractalairduct7600
    @fractalairduct7600 3 года назад +4

    I don't know whether Planet Hulk is considered officially part of this universe or not, but I like to imagine it is. It feels like a proper send-off to the Hulk, who really didn't get a lot of focus in EMH season 2 and was kind of underserved in vs Thor, and leaves his character in a much better place at the end.

  • @hue_jazz59
    @hue_jazz59 3 года назад +1

    I remember how cool it was to see W & the X men call back to hulk vs . It was surreal . Best Era for marvel animated series

  • @marshallthompson6628
    @marshallthompson6628 3 года назад +3

    Spectacular Spider-Man was cool and they do have it on DVD 😎😎😎

  • @prokeikas7284
    @prokeikas7284 5 лет назад +7

    Yes, finally! Too bad that it will premiere on 1 am in where I live. Anyway, I'm excited!

  • @SockLettuce
    @SockLettuce 5 лет назад +2

    I’m literally baffled that you don’t have more subscribers with awesome videos like these.

    • @SuperSwimTeam7
      @SuperSwimTeam7  5 лет назад +1

      You gotta have 100 to get 200, gotta have 500 to get 1000, so a little over 800 is just another step on the way there! Thank you so much for your kind words of encouragement, it means a lot! I hope I can continue making vids that live up to this one in the future

  • @biguy617
    @biguy617 Год назад +3

    Wolverine is probably part of Alpha Flight at the time in Hulk vs Wolverine. They may have sent on his own. Maybe this is one of the reasons why he left Alpha Flight for the X-men.

  • @lordmatthew1222
    @lordmatthew1222 5 лет назад +6

    My favorite Is x-men evolution

  • @MetaKnuxXbeats
    @MetaKnuxXbeats 4 года назад +3

    Sweet, Spectacular Spiderman and Avengers HMH are ment to be in the same universe. AWESOME!

  • @dannyhegarty2612
    @dannyhegarty2612 4 года назад +7

    Any chance 'Fantastic 4: Worlds greatest heroes' is in this same universe? 👀. Avengers EMH Was always my fave and the joint excitement/disappointment that concept art gave me is overwhelming 😂

    • @SuperSwimTeam7
      @SuperSwimTeam7  4 года назад +2

      I don't think so, the F4 and the Baxter building look too different in EMH than in Greatest Heroes

    • @dannyhegarty2612
      @dannyhegarty2612 4 года назад

      @@SuperSwimTeam7 Yeah I figured, I have never seen the Fantastic four one but thought due to the similar name and period I thought it may have been a possibility, thanks for replying though mate! 👌😁

  • @pottertheavenger1363
    @pottertheavenger1363 3 года назад +1

    aw, man, there was also X-Men evolution. loved that show.

  • @isinganddootherthings4616
    @isinganddootherthings4616 5 лет назад +11

    Could you cover fantastic four world's greatest heroes it's in the universe as well

  • @solanyegonzalez284
    @solanyegonzalez284 4 года назад +9

    TBH kinda mad they didn’t give the EMH fantastic four their own show.

  • @multimoonj3410
    @multimoonj3410 5 лет назад +4

    Hell yeah this is great!

  • @adamkhan985
    @adamkhan985 Год назад +1

    I think there should have been a third Hulk vs. Film
    Either with Sentry or Iron Man.

  • @higherquality
    @higherquality 5 лет назад +7

    I myself don't really like premieres, but i'm excited tho

    • @SuperSwimTeam7
      @SuperSwimTeam7  5 лет назад +3

      I think premieres really help bring together the community I'm trying to build, I love seeing live feedback, but regardless I hope it lives up to the hype for ya!

  • @wesmcinerny4524
    @wesmcinerny4524 2 года назад +1

    Don't forget that Thor: Tales of Asgard is also confirmed by Christopher Yost to be part of this continuity.

  • @KAYSC3A
    @KAYSC3A 4 года назад +7

    Remember avengers confidential: black widow and punisher?

  • @forsaken-pr5iz
    @forsaken-pr5iz Год назад +2

    They should revive this universe, I'm very sure marvel and the mcu would benefit after phase 4 to get the faith of the fans back

  • @mak3x7
    @mak3x7 5 лет назад +6

    I own hulk v thor and WOLVERINE
    And season 1 of wolverine and the xmen

  • @Marandahir
    @Marandahir 5 месяцев назад

    I'd argue that they were showing Logan's Weapon X backstory here because (1) for context of his connection with the bad guys & Wade; (2) yes to set up Laura Kinney; but most importantly (3):
    This is an adaptation of Wolverine's LITERAL origin story. The very first comic Logan appeared in was an issue of The Incredible Hulk, where he played antagonist and fought the Hulk. So if we're going back to the beginning, then we need to explore some of that backstory too, especially if that back story is relevant to the film's plot.

  • @parkeranimations3671
    @parkeranimations3671 4 года назад +3

    We need EMH 3

  • @EarlGreigh
    @EarlGreigh 4 года назад +2

    I love your enthusiasm, and this video was a great overview of these animated projects, but I really don't understand how you're connecting them together? If it's just based on the Hulk/Wolverine fight, that's Wolverine's comic canon first appearance, it gets referenced a lot. Thanks for your hard work!

    • @SuperSwimTeam7
      @SuperSwimTeam7  4 года назад +2

      Thank you for the kind words! The connection comes from the fact that the same guy had a hand in all of the shows/movies outside Spectacular. He's made a point to specify that it's intended for these shows and movies to share the same continuity

    • @EarlGreigh
      @EarlGreigh 4 года назад

      @@SuperSwimTeam7 That's some great info, thanks again!

  • @chocov1233
    @chocov1233 4 месяца назад +1

    6:37 - Dang. You're missing out. I've watched every X-Men cartoon and movie and played a few games and all of them go in depth on the discrimination, prejudice, persecution, and fighting between mutants and mutants, mutants and humans, humans and humans, humans and mutates, etc.
    X-Men: Evolution is great too. I personally enjoyed it the most out of every X-Men show. The X-Men Legends games are really cool too. As well as X-Men: Children of the Atom.

    • @SuperSwimTeam7
      @SuperSwimTeam7  4 месяца назад +1

      I made this vid a few years ago, good news is that I've read all the krakoa books, seen the 90s cartoon + 97 too now. I'm all in and I've become a big fan since then!!!

  • @marvel6592
    @marvel6592 2 года назад +1

    In my opinion Wolverine and The X-Men goes well with the Fantastic Four World's Greatest Heroes cartoon series
    And Spectacular Spider-Man fits really good with X-Men: Evolution since they both tackle on teen drama character growth and superheroes you should definitely watch that series I'm surprised you forgot about that X-Men Evolution

  • @slanetroyard92
    @slanetroyard92 4 года назад +1

    All these shows were awesome. Dam people in charge took them down to soon. Especially wolverine and the X-Men i still wanna know how apocalypse took over the world and why people were cheering for him.

  • @royrogers4732
    @royrogers4732 2 года назад +2

    You should review the
    Lionsgate Marvel Animated movies especially
    Ultimate Avengers and Ultimate Avengers 2

  • @kingofmonsters14
    @kingofmonsters14 3 года назад

    The Blockbuster Buster had the same idea that they were the same universe... but only Avengers and Hulk Vs, with Vs Thor taking place after both Hulk and Thor left the cast for a time.

  • @Excelsior2043
    @Excelsior2043 4 года назад +1

    Sign the petitions guys!!!
    www.change.org/p/netflix-revive-avengers-earth-s-mightiest-heroes-on-netflix
    I just recently felt nostalgia about the show as this was how I was first introduced to the Avengers way back in 2010 and rewatched the entire series. Hands down and without a doubt, the best Marvel show of all time!
    I was even surprised to see that there seems to be a recent surge in conversation about the show like with this video and even learnt that they were actually setting up an entire ANIMATED MARVEL UNIVERSE with confirmation that Spectacular Spiderman (objectively the best spiderman cartoon), Hulk VS and Wolverine and The X-Men series being part of the universe!
    Now that Disney+ is here, and there has been a recent revival of amazing shows like Young Justice and Clone Wars, I'm sure that if enough of us speak up about how this show was so beloved (and profitable), I believe we could see the return of such a gem.
    If enough conversation comes up, I'm confident this show could be revived again and continue our dream of an animated marvel universe which rivals the likes of the DCAU (Justice League Animated/Batman Animated) and even rival shows like Young Justice and Avatar The Last Airbender if they bring back the original creators and voices of the show with some new and existing talents of the animated industry like Lauren Montgomery and Josh Keaton back as the rightful voice of Spiderman or new voices like Yuri Lowenthal.
    www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-restore-the-josh-keaton-dubs-of-avengers-earth-s-mightiest-heroes
    I hope they keep the original vision and Thomas Perkins' art style of the show with an updated animation quality and some modernised and mature themes and also bring in new characters like Miles Morales, Ms Marvel, Namor, Silver Surfer, Doctor Strange and even obscure characters/teams like 3D-Man, Crystar, Morbius, Damien Hellstrom, Squadron Supreme, Agents of Atlas, The Ultimates, Runaways, Excalibur/MI13, Power Pack, Defenders of the Deep, The Winter Guard, Young Avengers, The Annihilators, Alpha Flight, The Ultimate Avengers, The Eternals, Illuminati, Ultraforce and etc. They should also tie up loose ends like the New Avengers, Hulk's story arc, Surtur arc, expand on the universe/multiverse with Secret Invasion, the Kree-Skrull War and Spiderverse and introduce beloved storylines as well as new original ones like Infinity Gauntlet, Civil War (introducing Winter Soldier), Dark Phoenix, Days of Future Past, World War Hulk(s), Avengers vs X-Men, Dr Doom (Doomwar), House of M, War of the Realms, Infinity Wars, Fear Itself, Absolute Carnage, Siege, release a less rushed Season 2, Galactus Arc and even do their version of Secret Wars 2015 as a huge finale event!!!
    They could also do Solo Spinoffs for members of the main team along the way and revive Spectacular Spiderman, Wolverine and The X-Men, Hulk VS series, Fantastic Four with new shows like Inhumans, Guardians of the Galaxy, The Defenders, Midnight Sons, Doctor Strange Sorcerers Supreme, Deadpool, Thunderbolts, Agents of Atlas and Black Panther King of Wakanda to go concurrently with the Avengers Series!
    Last to top it off, they should have main writer Christopher Yost and Joshua Fine to continue writing the amazing story development and worldbuilding of the show and appoint Craig Kyle as president of Marvel Animation!
    www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-appoint-craig-kyle-as-president-of-marvel-animation

  • @lewisruddle4084
    @lewisruddle4084 5 месяцев назад +1

    Tales of asgard is cannon but planet hulk is not which is upsetting but both are still great film even if they was not cannon

  • @kmac9372
    @kmac9372 3 года назад +1

    I think I’ve kinda pieced together the timeline.
    Hulk vs Wolverine
    Spectacular Spider-Man season 1
    Earth’s Mightiest Heroes Season 1
    Hulk vs Thor
    Spectacular Spider-Man Season 2
    Wolverine and the X-Men Season 1
    Earth’s Mightiest Heroes Season 2
    The first 4 spots are kinda obvious, but I feel Season 1 of Spectacular Spider-Man happens before Wolverine and The X-Men because it would be almost impossible for Spider-Man to operate with the MRD hunting down Mutants, and even though he’s not one, they definitely wouldn’t have a problem targeting him. I also put Wolverine and The X-Men before Earth’s Mightiest Heroes Season 2 because of Fury’s resemblance to his Season 1 Earth’s Mightiest Heroes appearance. Also I like to think that the Heroes of the World teaming up to save the world against Galactus would be the start of the Heroes rise in public perception.

  • @CubedGamer
    @CubedGamer 4 года назад +1

    Marvel's Spider-Man, Avengers: Black Panther's Quest and Guardians of the Galaxy: Mission Breakout! Happens in the same universe. They're not connected to Ultimate Spider-Man, Avengers Assemble Season 1-4, Hulk and the Agents of S.M.A.S.H. and Guardians of the Galaxy season 1-2.

  • @JOVONO
    @JOVONO 4 года назад +3

    Please do a review for both X-Men Tas and X-Men Evolution

  • @captcrais101
    @captcrais101 Год назад +1

    The X-men animated series from the 90s do the characters the best justice with the exception of Kitty since she is not in that series. She is done best in both X-men Evolution and Wolverine and the X-men.

    • @SuperSwimTeam7
      @SuperSwimTeam7  Год назад

      I just watched the 90's series recently, really came to love a lot of the characters through that

  • @eminor9196
    @eminor9196 3 года назад +1

    the 00s had the best superhero animations.

  • @ShockwaveFPSStudios
    @ShockwaveFPSStudios Месяц назад

    Hulk Vs and Avengers Earth’s Mightiest Heroes might as well be in the same universe. Wolverine & the X-Men has a vastly different art style and it’s timeline doesn’t line up with Earth’s Mightiest Heroes’ timeline.
    Some fans think Spectacular Spider-Man’s in the same universe as EMH, but that’s been disproven by Greg Weiseman.

  • @deonknight7890
    @deonknight7890 4 года назад +1

    i love too see the video

  • @isinganddootherthings4616
    @isinganddootherthings4616 5 лет назад +2

    Iron Man armored adventure s is pretty great too Man

  • @quientinhughes9171
    @quientinhughes9171 4 года назад +5

    Is mightly seven, fantastic four, and next avengers heroes tommorrow in the universe

    • @SuperSwimTeam7
      @SuperSwimTeam7  4 года назад +4

      I don't think so

    • @quientinhughes9171
      @quientinhughes9171 4 года назад

      I know for sure heroes of tommorrow is

    • @mr.koolaid1263
      @mr.koolaid1263 4 года назад +3

      ​@@quientinhughes9171 Christopher Yost confirmed that Wolverine and the X-men, Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Spectacular Spider-Man, Thor: Tales of Asgard, Hulk Vs, Planet Hulk, and Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes are all part of the same universe. He was the series writer for these shows and created some of them.

    • @mr.koolaid1263
      @mr.koolaid1263 4 года назад +4

      @@quientinhughes9171 Next Avengers: Heroes of Tomorrow is part of the Ultimate Avengers Universe and takes place after Ultimate Avengers 1 & 2.

    • @quientinhughes9171
      @quientinhughes9171 4 года назад

      @@mr.koolaid1263 ohhh

  • @alleycatgaming5433
    @alleycatgaming5433 4 года назад +1

    Hope we get a clone wars style revival of this universe

  • @UncleYakuza
    @UncleYakuza 3 года назад +1

    I wouldn’t really say forgot. What’s really forgot is Ultimate Avengers 1 and 2

    • @luketaylor10
      @luketaylor10 3 года назад +1

      As well as next avengers heroes of tomorrow

  • @henrygarica326
    @henrygarica326 4 года назад +1

    I hope you find this comment I never watched the X-Men cartoons either but I have to ask, is X-Men Evolution a part of this universe too?

  • @MsClonetrooper
    @MsClonetrooper 3 года назад +1

    FYI Thor: Tales of Asgard (movie) is also canon in this Universe

  • @superduperfelixparker6252
    @superduperfelixparker6252 2 года назад

    What I see is a tweet that clearly says “originally intended”, doesn’t mean it worked out that way.

  • @hierophanyseer6128
    @hierophanyseer6128 4 года назад +1

    You should do a video of how to watch the mesh mash mau in chronological order

    • @FCTEdits
      @FCTEdits 2 года назад +2

      This is my personal timeline:
      - Thor: Tales Of Asgard
      - Spectacular Spider-Man
      - Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes
      - Hulk vs. Wolverine
      - Wolverine and The X-Men
      - The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes
      - Hulk vs. Thor

  • @ultimateparker1837
    @ultimateparker1837 4 года назад

    It's true that "Wolverine and the X-Men" and "Hulk Vs." they are connected. But they are connected with the movie "Thor: Tales of Asgard" and the series "The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes" (including the comics of that series).
    All those series and movies make up Earth-8096 (Yost Universe)

  • @Josh-di3zo
    @Josh-di3zo 4 года назад

    I spoke with Yost on Twitter about him returning

  • @frankbarrie6785
    @frankbarrie6785 3 года назад

    U should watch X-Men evolution. I love that show! I actually like it better than the 90s version (which is a big deal for my generation lol, iwas born in 1988, so usually the 90s shows are my fav)

  • @PlayingPetty
    @PlayingPetty 2 года назад +2

    Hey can you tell me what's the chronological order of each show that would be helpful

    • @FCTEdits
      @FCTEdits 2 года назад +2

      This is the timeline made by me:
      - Thor: Tales Of Asgard
      - Spectacular Spider-Man
      - Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes
      - Hulk vs. Wolverine
      - Wolverine and The X-Men
      - The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes
      - Hulk vs. Thor

    • @PlayingPetty
      @PlayingPetty 2 года назад +1

      @@FCTEdits thanks

    • @FCTEdits
      @FCTEdits 2 года назад

      @@PlayingPetty no problem

  • @LeoMes01
    @LeoMes01 3 года назад

    Okay this is my interpretation if the timeline
    Hulk vs thor
    Hulk vs wolverine
    Wolverine and the x men(people say its after because x men are mentioned as new heroes in emh but maybe that's the new incarnation from wolverine and the x men and as far as we know. Not to mention Hulk is still on the run in wolverine nd the x men)
    Spectacular spiderman (since it seems that peter aged a bit before Avengers emh appearance and that there are super prisons set up in emh. From this I conclude that shield starts becoming the superhuman unit during this time . So I say this fits pretty well during the transitional period between the disbanding of the MRD and the formarion of prisons like the RAFT and the Vault).
    Avengers emh
    (Heroes fully embraced and spidey been working for a few years but was realatively unknown outside of new york and jersey.

  • @sallyjones5391
    @sallyjones5391 2 года назад

    @Super Swim Team 7 planet hulk, the hulk vs double feature and Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes are canon to the Yostverse, even though F4:WGH has very loose connections to the rest of the Yostverse. You can watch it and see for yourself.

  • @DarkZeroNova
    @DarkZeroNova 3 года назад

    They did have to shot Hulk with the tranq like a lot

  • @martyparty7086
    @martyparty7086 28 дней назад

    There’s a movie about young Thor too connected to this called tales of Asgard it’s not that bad actually

  • @superduperman6535
    @superduperman6535 3 года назад

    Can someone explain if hulk vs event happens before wolverine and the xmen events as we saw through flashbacks in wolverine vs hulk episode. However in one epsiode wolverine doesn't recognises sabertooth but we saw them fight in the movie??? Whyyyy so??? Please tell

  • @SweetSeline777
    @SweetSeline777 3 года назад

    I think the unnecessary origin scene regarding Logan is a false memory.
    Cause A) It's impossible for Logan to get drunk due to his healing factor.
    B) As you said - it makes no logical sense for Logan's captors to let him go and catch him again.
    C) It's a waste of time and Logan was too valuable for them to be set free.

  • @xanderg.1070
    @xanderg.1070 3 года назад

    I would love to see you go over the Disney XD marvel shows. Personally, I don’t think most of the them were awful, but I will admit was that they only exist just to market the MCU

  • @trevorhouston9322
    @trevorhouston9322 3 года назад +2

    What is the timeline for this universe?

    • @FCTEdits
      @FCTEdits 2 года назад

      This is my personal timeline:
      - Thor: Tales Of Asgard
      - Spectacular Spider-Man
      - Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes
      - Hulk vs. Wolverine
      - Wolverine and The X-Men
      - The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes
      - Hulk vs. Thor

  • @CubedGamer
    @CubedGamer 4 года назад +1

    Take about Marvel Animated Universe (Disney XD Shows).

  • @rockfish7777
    @rockfish7777 3 года назад

    i also really like x men evolution

  • @thanimations2909
    @thanimations2909 4 года назад +6

    Is X-men evolution Conan to Wolverine and the X-men?

  • @mikehunt146
    @mikehunt146 4 года назад +1

    I always thought this universe and the Next avengers were in the same universe

    • @arkhambricksskylar3808
      @arkhambricksskylar3808 3 года назад

      Earth's Mightiest Heroes and Next Avengers have to be connected. There's no way it's not.

    • @FCTEdits
      @FCTEdits 2 года назад

      Next Avengers is a sequel to Ultimate Avengers

  • @lman1006
    @lman1006 3 года назад +1

    Nobody forgot about this? Who forgot??

  • @Ihatepual295
    @Ihatepual295 9 месяцев назад

    In planet Hulk 2010 Thor has the same exact design form Hulk vs Thor 2009

  • @Mextlatec
    @Mextlatec 2 года назад

    #MarvelAnimatedYostverse
    #SaveAvengersEMH
    #SaveSpectacularSpiderMan
    #SaveWATXM
    #SaveTheYostverse
    #restoretheyostverse
    #bringbackemh
    #SaveXMenDangerRoomProtocols
    #XMenLegends3

  • @legoking6165
    @legoking6165 4 года назад

    Cool. I gave this video it's 100th comment.

  • @fracture6999
    @fracture6999 3 года назад

    I’m not really sure if the Hulk from Hulk vs Thor really matches up with the one from Avengers emh. I may need to rewatch but unless im missing something by the time they both know each other hulk was more his own character already and not just a raging monster as implied in that film

  • @PEEPZSJ
    @PEEPZSJ 2 года назад

    Where can I watch all these

  • @shrekbaby33
    @shrekbaby33 3 года назад +1

    isn't WatX separate from Evolution? Evolution was such a good show too tho

  • @henrygarica326
    @henrygarica326 4 года назад

    I agree with most of your video but the Hulk vs series isnt apart of this forgotten universe. Hulk vs was made in 2009 but Avengers EMH was made in 2010 and in Hulk vs Thor it was said by Thor that he already knew Banner and the Hulk before he came to Asgard, but in Avengers EMH he first met Hulk when they fought Graviton. And in Hulk vs Wolverine Banner meet Wolverine but in Wolverine and the X-Men Bruce asked didnt know who Wolverine was.

  • @julieenroth6388
    @julieenroth6388 3 года назад

    when are you going to talk about next avengers hero’s of tomorrow

  • @joseurielsantiagocanales1602
    @joseurielsantiagocanales1602 Год назад +1

    Spectacular spider-man it's not part of the yostverse,for start not was created by christopher yost,was created by greg weisman and victor cooke,yost only wanted to the spider-man's from avengers EMH was the same that spectacular spider-man but right issues(EMH was produced by disney/film roman and spectacular by sony) it was not achieved,in his gargolyes fan site greg weisman confirms that spectacular spider-man it' not that same universe that avengers EMH and that he had his own plans for other marvel characters

  • @goodsirbear-7579
    @goodsirbear-7579 3 года назад +1

    in my head cannon The fantastic four worlds greatest heroes was part of this universe

  • @Mirrorcomics24
    @Mirrorcomics24 4 года назад +1

    But what about x men evolution and iron man armoured adventures

  • @noaholson9047
    @noaholson9047 4 года назад +2

    Isn’t fantastic four earths greatest heroes considered canon

  • @SuperZ11569
    @SuperZ11569 3 года назад +1

    How would you put this universe in chronological order?

    • @FCTEdits
      @FCTEdits 2 года назад

      This is my personal timeline:
      - Thor: Tales Of Asgard
      - Spectacular Spider-Man
      - Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes
      - Hulk vs. Wolverine
      - Wolverine and The X-Men
      - The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes

  • @dawnguy842
    @dawnguy842 2 года назад

    Disney XDverse: For Kids
    Yostverse: For true Marvel fans

  • @johnplays7600
    @johnplays7600 3 года назад +1

    Tales of Asgard is, but i don't think planet hulk is

  • @colebuechner2313
    @colebuechner2313 4 года назад

    Why do you play OLD theam song of the X-Men

  • @pizzaparker592
    @pizzaparker592 4 года назад +3

    Wait is both the Doctor Strange and Iron Man movie canon?

    • @SuperSwimTeam7
      @SuperSwimTeam7  4 года назад +2

      I don't think so but I'm not sure

    • @mr.koolaid1263
      @mr.koolaid1263 4 года назад

      it's not

    • @knightofkorbin888
      @knightofkorbin888 4 года назад +1

      Animated movie Doctor Strange is the same version as the one who made a cameo in "Planet Hulk."

  • @AJ-xc4qe
    @AJ-xc4qe 3 года назад

    I read the Marvel Database wiki saying that Planet Hulk is considered canon. I don't know. Can anyone clarify?

    • @FCTEdits
      @FCTEdits 2 года назад

      It is, also Dr Strange is

  • @michaelsegal7443
    @michaelsegal7443 4 года назад

    Can you upload an official order of this era

    • @FCTEdits
      @FCTEdits 2 года назад

      This is my personal timeline:
      - Thor: Tales Of Asgard
      - Spectacular Spider-Man
      - Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes
      - Hulk vs. Wolverine
      - Wolverine and The X-Men
      - The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes

  • @pinkpixel8474
    @pinkpixel8474 4 года назад

    Can you help me I cannot find the X-Men 1992 animated series episodes on Google
    Where I can watch them

  • @randompigeon6431
    @randompigeon6431 4 года назад +3

    What about x men evolution the show wolverine and the x men is a sequel to

    • @isinganddootherthings4616
      @isinganddootherthings4616 4 года назад +4

      Actually it's not Man

    • @randompigeon6431
      @randompigeon6431 4 года назад +1

      ISingand DoOtherThings part of the timeline according to Fox they advertised it as a sequel to z x men evolution with a similar team older characters and reprising voice actors and the exact same theme music with an update of the original x men the animated series

  • @zayedkadir3285
    @zayedkadir3285 4 года назад +3

    no theres one more show in this universe Fantastic 4 there are so many crossovers

    • @zayedkadir3285
      @zayedkadir3285 4 года назад +1

      @JSG STUDIOS yeah the one from 2006 www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1SQJL_enUS917US918&sxsrf=ALeKk01u_AbINjP-fS8ey4L9JC1tysFSmw%3A1600390140277&ei=_ANkX4HEEI2uytMPi76NiA0&q=fantastic+4+tv+show+2006&oq=fantastic+4+tv+show+2006&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAE6BAgAEEc6BggAEBYQHjoICCEQFhAdEB5QuxNY6iJgoiZoAHACeACAAbMBiAG5BpIBAzAuNZgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrIAQjAAQE&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiBssDuvfHrAhUNl3IEHQtfA9EQ4dUDCA0&uact=5

    • @zayedkadir3285
      @zayedkadir3285 4 года назад +1

      @JSG STUDIOS It had a couple of crossovers with EMH ruclips.net/video/T4tiVhwnY-s/видео.html
      That link is to an episode about secret invasion

  • @TheDevWarrior
    @TheDevWarrior 3 года назад

    all 3 of these pillars only got 2 seasons

    • @luketaylor10
      @luketaylor10 3 года назад

      At most sadly

    • @TheDevWarrior
      @TheDevWarrior 3 года назад +1

      @@luketaylor10 oof. I think we may have an epic video game universe coming tho. I may make a video on it.
      Here it is:
      X-Men Legends
      X-Men Legends 2
      Marvel's Avengers
      MUA 1
      Spider-Man PS4
      MUA 2
      Spider-Man Miles Morales
      MUA 3

    • @SuperSwimTeam7
      @SuperSwimTeam7  3 года назад

      Ultimate Alliance 1 and 3 is in the Web of Shadows universe, they have the same luke cage, just throwing that out there

    • @luketaylor10
      @luketaylor10 3 года назад

      @@TheDevWarrior thats a pretty good list i do know that the x men legends games and the first two ultimate alliance games are in the same universe i am not sure about the third
      One though i meant just look at nick
      Fury in between the second and third
      And the fact that dr doom should still be
      Held in prison by odin for stealing his power in the frist one but in the third
      I know that he is it like nothing happened

    • @TheDevWarrior
      @TheDevWarrior 3 года назад

      @@luketaylor10 yeah, well it can be assumed that dr doom managed to escape. Nick fury does look different but we could just call that a classic marvel recast like war machine or hulk

  • @Spiderfanatic3
    @Spiderfanatic3 4 года назад

    Yes yost said that SSM took place in the same world as SSM but greg wiseman(the actual show runner of the show said they werent) ans yost was never involved in ssm.

    • @SuperSwimTeam7
      @SuperSwimTeam7  4 года назад +1

      I'll take Yosts word for it. That just means that Spectacular is canon to EMH, but EMH isn't to Spectacular, so inside the world of EMH, their Spidey is the same as Weismans, but in the world of Spectacular, the Avengers are different. But considering Weisman was never going to be able to use them... Does it really matter? We don't have to be so not picky about this dumb shit. Go watch my newest video. Canon is bs.

    • @Spiderfanatic3
      @Spiderfanatic3 4 года назад

      Super Swim Team 7 That doesnt explain the incomgruities between the emh spidey and the spec spidey at all and seems really selective when a lot of ssm’s subtext depended on no other crime fighting heroes existing. It was part of the point.

  • @bigtimetruedeath8928
    @bigtimetruedeath8928 Год назад +1

    could x men evolution fantastic four world's greatest heroes marvel ultimate spiderman marvel HULK and the agents of smash marvel avengers assemble be in the same world as avengers earth's mightiest heroes wolverine and the x men HULK vs thor HULK vs wolverine thor tales of asgard planet HULK animated movie could they take place on earth 8096

  • @trevturp6891
    @trevturp6891 Год назад

    Hulk Vs isn't apart of Wolverine and The X-Men.

    • @emerald_sustrai2002
      @emerald_sustrai2002 5 месяцев назад

      Maybe cuz wolverine doesn't remember sabertooth in hulk vs?