Jackie Kennedy Doesn't Like Queen Elizabeth | The Crown (Claire Foy, Jodi Balfour, Jamie Glover)
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- The Queen (Claire Foy) calls upon Patrick (Jamie Glover) to recall his dinner at which the First Lady, Mrs. Kennedy (Jodi Balfour), attended. More so, the Queen inquired about how Mrs. Kennedy spoke of the Monarch, but the answer was shocking, insulting, and upsetting.
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Have you ever been caught talking bad about someone?
Yes and they were in the room. Oops!
nope, I try to not speak ill of anyone..
and especially not behind their back.
Caught??? I've been heard talking bad about someone.
Yep…it was when I was fairly young and I was so embarrassed by it that I learned my lesson that day to keep my small opinions to myself 👀
Yes. To my shame.
Half of this show is Clair Foy sitting pristine suppressing repeated slights and insults.
Such a great facial actor. She speaks volumes of sadness, resentment, loneliness and rage with the same blank expression.
Masterful.
I know this series is more fluff than fact.. but It's even more savage when she hosts Jackie a second time at the Palace. During that exchange, Jackie explains that her comments were a result of her being Jacked up (PUN intended) on a "vitamin cocktail" administered before that infamous dinner. The Queen was poised and controlled and basically granted the excuse and accepted Jackie's "praise", but way she tore into her scone with her knife and added the butter and jam to it was just a subliminal queue of what she probably would have done if she were her Namesake in "Gloriana" England. lol
She has every muscle, sinew, and vein of her body under command. Great actress ❤
Truth hurts.
Patrick's whole demeanor throughout this was spot-on. What an uncomfortable conversation to have with an old friend.
Maybe you should become a director.
Horribly painful and to have the decorum not to walk away from such an arrogant elitist.
How Elizabeth was right there during WW11, driving, working with the common.
Wisely intelligent enough to realize these were her People.
Still enough of a Lady to mention having her back.
Great ac/ting, sure. But all this old school awkwardness is exhausting to modern minds. If you have a friend, you just say it. What's the big deal with truth? I'd rather know.
Devastating acting and writing. Especially the switch from “Ma’am” to “Lilibet” as the decorum starts to fall away.
@@cbemch92 I really loved that tiny touch. Showed their true closeness and his apprehension at knowing what pain he was about to bring her.
The immense value of keeping one's opinions private.
Oh please. If this was said, was she wrong? I think not. It's good to know the truth of who we are and how we are really seen vs people lying. It can hurt but it's a wonderful opportunity to be better, if that's the case.
@@mariarohmer2374 Oh, yes, Jackie the ultimate elitist telling the truth about a beloved institution and woman, while a guest in that woman's home country. What a wonderful thing.
@@sjbell4653 "A beloved institution," oh my sides. Monarchies are ridiculous and exist off the backs of common people. They are not special or demigods. It is an illusion. They are no better or more deserving than anyone. Get real.
@@sjbell4653 Once again, "beloved institution" claim: laughable.
@@sjbell4653 The British are worse elitists than ANYTHING that has ever come out of the USA. Especially in the post-War period. Also I'm not sure if you have the money to travel but anyone who has seen the UK will tell you that 99% of historical British mansions are shitholes. Jackie wasn't lying and she was nice enough to say it away from the Queen. Buckingham, Edinburgh, Canterbury, Norwich, Ely and many others are creaky, cold, glossed over toilets.
And this is true of a lot of Europe. I've been all over Europe and it's always a shock how much Europeans think they're better than the rest of the world when it comes to luxury and class then you see their homes and you think you're in a 3rd world country.
Have you ever seen more expressive eyes ? Claire Foy is flawless in The Crown ,what a joy to watch her !
If you haven’t seen ‘Meet Joe Black’, you really should. Claire Foy shines in that as well.
@@GhostofMrsMuir1443 I believe that's Claire Forlani. Also wonderful, but a different actor.
She's just the best ever at Queens. Her depiction of Anne Boleyn is my favorite as well. She strikes the balance between that romantic, beautiful figure and the reality of the sharp tongued Queen who played at least a part in her own demise. Queen Anne was innocent of the charges against her, but she could have certainly played her hand a little more gently and maybe survived. Claire really captured that.
@@DenaInWyo "Little Dorrit"
@@andywomack3414 One of my favourites.
“Jackie, darling, so glad you were able to visit again. Ask Jack to say hi to Marilyn for me.”
🤣🤣🤣
Spot on
OUCH! LOL
@@JoanMorrison-vq2jc LMAO nice
@@JoanMorrison-vq2jcPrince Phillip actually darling! Can’t take y’all anywhere 🙄
I have to say if this was true, Jackie really did herself and the US a disservice.
After all this the Queen wrote a lovely letter to Jackie after the President’s murder.
Queen Elizabeth was pure class in this instance.
Nah Jackie’s right. It’s not Jackie’s fault the queen was raised to be stunted mentally. Look at William and Harry’s educations, and Charles. The people are all raised to be empty headed wavers focused on dog breeding and gossip. And the throne was antiquated. This is all true
She's supposed to write a good letter; what else is she going to do? Actually, Jackie was right...the entire monarchy are made up of entitled people who are studies in mediocrity and living the high life off the people.
It is entirely fabricated. there is some evidence that there might have been some disappointment expressed on both sides in relation to a certain guest list at a certain event, but there is nothing in even the slightest sense to indicate that this sort of commentary or anything close to it took place. and it is correct that there were gifts and warm accolades exchange by both sides both before and after their meeting.
At the end of the day regardless of what you think of Jackie Kennedy she wasn't a moron, and you would have to be a completely oblivious room to make comments like that where other people could hear you at a state function, even if you personally believed them.
"a lovely letter" after a president's murder is not necessarily an indication of "class", it statesmanship, protocol; it's what the crown should do. There's no telling if that was a reflection of how the Queen actually felt.
@@Laotzu.Goldbug I read that she criticized the furniture of buckingham palace but I don't recall seeing anything this incendiary. These are some fierce words here
I always love the change in her expression as she hears of Jackie's impression of her. Like a cold slap in the face
Was that really said?
Yes, like the anger was just seething inside.
Clare played this beautifully
Or a hot thumb up the bum!
Well stated. She delivers all the emotion so well. Love her.
Claire Foy is absolutely one of the most brilliant actresses I've ever seen… She can speak 1000 words with just her face and expressions… She's fantastic!
As an American, with the benefit of many decades of hindsight, I must admit I admire Elizabeth far more than I ever did Jackie.
Admire a politicians wife or a royal that’s like admiring swine
This is a drama. There a no proof Jackie said that.
@@dougl945 This was written about long before this series took place. Decades before. "Incurious and unintelligent" were the exact words Jackie used.
Jackie wasn’t wrong. The Queen herself felt her lack of education keenly. She was brought up on the cusp of a new, modernizing world by very old fashioned and outdated ppl. But I believe it was her very nature to be old fashioned. She was also quite an economical person, not wasting money if not necessary. She always had her hats recycled by dyeing and changing decorative trim for example. She made Charles go back into the woods to find a dog leash he’d dropped.
Waste not want not generation raised in wartime rationing. Make do and mend.
@@michaelplunkett8059 Absolutely 👍🏻
What jackie said is not important.
Because her husband is screwing a blonde bombshell right under her nose.
🤷🏻♀️
It's interesting, how quickly and vastly the attitude of Americans towards British aristocracy changed, isn't it? Just half a century ago, rich Americans would still basically 'sell' their daughters to English aristocrats, to gain the status of having 'aristocratic in-laws'.
Because no matter how insanely rich they were... being titled still counted more. And here we have the wife of the American president being snobbish and condescending toward the Queen of England herself (assuming this did happen in a similar way as portrayed, of course).
@@LisaG442 I don't think the Queen could ever have been accused of lacking curiosity, so I wonder if this can be true. I heard that they bonded over their love of horses. Jackie was a great horsewoman and Jack was advised to suggest riding when Jackie was stressed.
The late Queen's sacrifices, loyalty & duty to her people & country remain unsurpassed. 🌌
One should always and rightfully doubt the accuracy of fictional narratives of historical events, but no matter how much of this show may be inaccurate, or even biased in its own way, it was the among the three best television shows I've ever seen.
Jackie’s comments were heard by others at a social gathering. I don’t think they were fictitious.
Who knows what is correct.
@@satcher2001 I would wager that QE didn't care what the JK said at all, she is Royalty after all.
@@alexandergrant2420 Members of the so-called "Royal Family" are human beings, just like the rest of us. I assure you, they have good days, bad days, disappointments and insecurities; just like everyone else. I understand that Prince Charles had a difficult time when he was a young man. He was treated unkindly and he responded like any normal person would.
@@alexandergrant2420 She's still human. Well, we were wondering towards the end, considering how long she was around, but my statement seems correct.
At least Jackie Kennedy thought the same of the White House, and undertook fundraising and a refurbishment.
Like many, I love how Jackie dressed and represented the U.S. However, she could be quite tough on other women, so no doubt she felt superior in some way. But at the end of the game of life, who is more revered and loved? I would say it's Queen Elizabeth. She was not perfect, but served her country until the very end.
Jackie Kennedy was a one nasty lady. She treated anybody she deemed below her very poorly!
She was tough on women because she was insecure. Her husband nailed anything with a pulse and she knew it.
Everybody was shocked when she married Aristotle Onassis for his billions - showed us who she really was
It's such a sad scene. Maligning someone, who hosted you in a courteous, welcoming manner is just such deplorable behavior.
I don't know, if it's historically accurate or not...but I keenly feel for Queen Elizabeth here
@@CarolFremel-my4hsI think she married him for the protection he could provide for her and her children.
"So, let's not ruin the habit of a lifetime."
Savage.
*"We MUST Have Her Again Sooooon".*
*Double Savage* 😉
I fail to see the savage in either.
@@user-rm7zf4bw2b *it's what the kidz call a "classy read". she was being sarcastic in an elegant way.* 😉
@@user-rm7zf4bw2b
It was a very pointed way to say "Let's cut the crap.".
@@kyle381000 Yes, I get that bit. Not savage, though.
What’s really funny is that so much was made of Jacquie French background as if her antecedents were oh so classy. The truth is her last name, “Bouvier”, comes from the word “bovine”, which means from cows. A Bouvier is a cow herder! I know this because I am French.
Good for you honey Yeah, I'm sure Jackie didn't know the origins of her name 🙄. I doubt she claimed to be from Royalty.
Jackie was actually only 1/8th French, the other 7/8ths being Irish. A lot gets assumed based on a last name.
Americans don’t actually care about things like that. A well known attorney by the name of Ben Rottenborn never changed his name, indeed, he had no thoughts about it. And that’s just one example.
@@risingphoenix8072utter bullocks. She was a snob and married another couple of snobs. It is hardly surprising that her "lineage" goes back to a cow herder, quite fitting.
@@jimhagan4990 You're right that was her sisters forte.
It’s true queen wasn’t educated but she outlived all of them with purpose and grace.
I understand this is “realistic”-fiction but I think this was a quick way to summarize not only the Kennedys’ opinions but Americans as a whole in the early 60s.
“In truth, the Kennedys did have criticisms of Queen Elizabeth following their meeting. According to The Telegraph, Cecil Beaton claimed that Kennedy “was unimpressed by the palace furnishings and by the Queen’s dress and hairstyle.” Gore Vidal claimed that Jackie described the queen as “pretty heavy going.” “…
Unlike the depiction in "The Crown," there are no reports that Jackie’s criticisms got back to the Queen, and the year following the dinner, Jackie visited Elizabeth in lower-profile circumstances without her husband when the monarch invited her to lunch on March 28, 1962. Jackie told the press afterward: “I don’t think I should say anything about it except how grateful I am and how charming she was.”
"The Crown" creator Peter Morgan has not specified what knowledge he bases his plot twists on, but he said: “I think there’s room to creatively imagine, based on the information we have about her.” “
Thank you for saving me the time (and for being far more eloquent than I would have been) with your reply to this video. People seem to forget that this series was historical fiction with some basis in reality but private moments were total fiction.
During the early 1960's, my father was driving a truck working 70 hours a week supporting his young family. He had no opinion of the queen nor America's place in the world at that time. America was a lot more isolated than today, so Mrs Kennedy's opinion of the royal family was for the most unique to her and her elevated position.
@@artflorez1568 How could you possible know that if they were private moments? How daft!
@@JDH3666 Unless Jackie Kennedy, Queen Elizabeth or a member of the royal household from that time wrote this script, it was total fiction. If you don't understand that you are the daft one.
Ironic she'd say that since the White House was quite dumpy in its own right. Buckingham reflected the splendor of royalty whereas the White House was actually sort of a tract house from the 1950s (Truman gutted the building in the 1950s & rebuilt its interior). Turn around is fair play, however: When QE2 visited the WH she commented on how small it was.
What Jackie said was COLD BLOODED.
Jackie was a snotty B.
But true
@@KathleenMcNe The "Jackie" they portrayed in this show was snotty. In reality, it was all unsubstantiated rumors, and even the real-life rumors were much milder that what is portrayed in the show. By all accounts, they liked each other a great deal.
@@KathleenMcNeDon't get your historical information from a British fictional drama.
@@PyroGothNerd I didn't.
Imagine how ill Jackie would speak of the British Isles today…. All the more diminished and dilapidated…
Rubbish!!
@@Mike8981 oh was Jackie a big fan of illegal Immigration was she? Or communism?
Oh to have been a fly on the wall at that dinner party and heard what was honestly said. Creative license (dramatic license) always takes center stage. However, regardless of the truth, this entire scene has been well acted. Both do their parts exceptional grace.
I mean…she asked…😂If that were really what was said, hearing it must have been very painful. I have a hard time believing the First Lady would say that publicly at a White House dinner. Maybe over cocktails with close friends.
She did not. She may have even thought it, but Mrs. Kennedy did NOT speak that snobbish way in public about such an esteemed figure; she was MUCH too well bred.
@@katisugarbaker7349 Did you know her personally?
@@kaiblade760 Did YOU know Mrs Kennedy personally?
@@JoanMorrison-vq2jc ???
I think it was probably dinner at lee’s (her sister) in London.
Doubt this actually happened. I just can't believe a First Lady would say such a thing aloud, especially when foreign guests are present.
I’m surprised that Jackie Kennedy would say disparaging things where she could be overheard. I doubt if she said that.
I agree! She was the ultimate long player, knew how to get financial help from her grandfather through poems, kept all kinds of detritus from the White House years that sold for megabucks at the auction after her death. There were rusty jardieneres, old magazines etc. That's not the person who lets their mouth run fast and loose!
I can't stand these fictionalized accounts of real people and events that may or may not have happened that way. No matter how many people rave about "The Crown", it's still just gossip presented in a soap opera.
This Patrick is not the Patrick that Jamie Glover portrayed. This is Sam Crane portraying Patrick Plunket, 7th Baron Plunket. Jamie Glover played Patrick Jephson in the Crown.
And Jackie Kennedy was 100% correct about everything.
He is an excellent actor
Phillip asked Queen Elizabeth II why she wore that hair style.
I believe her reason was to be unchanging always recognisable and a constant that she would always be there for us no matter what and she did to the very end. As for Jackie Kennedy well a peculiar looking woman who wore outstanding outfits to deflect your gaze from that fact and what did she do when her husband was assassinated she moved on to a super rich man who was someone else’s husband and stole him causing that woman a lifetime of hurt she never got over, Tramp.
Yes, I know it's fictionalized for entertainment, but man did they do a hatchet job on the Kennedys. There were only small, unsubstantiated rumors that Jackie made any negative comments, let alone the wildly detailed description given in "The Crown". By all accounts, both parties like each other a great deal.
We Americans need to be reminded from time to time that the Kennedys were not saints, nor did they descend from Olympus to rule us. They were in fact arrogant, not quite as competent as they made out, and morally as ambiguous as the society around them.
@@jamesbernsen3516doesn’t matter. People loved them.
@@kaymuldoon3575 Some people loved them.
@@jamesbernsen3516What a hyperbolic irrelevant comment
The Brits always play this game on television and films, making themselves out to be the true earnest sincere good people with manners and the Americans as crude mannerless minions that belong in the commonwealth. Jackie Kennedy had more true good manners in her pinky finger than all of the BRF combined. She would NEVER have spoken that way in public and it’s doubtful she’d say it anywhere at any time. She was full of the real meaning of grace.
These words sound more like what Elizabeth’s own snobbish rude younger sister would’ve said.
Boy that just doesn't ring true that Jackie said those things. If for no other reason than because it would hurt diplomatic relationship between the two countries.
I agree. Kennedy, famous for charming DeGaulle and all of France, was keenly aware of diplomacy. However, so much of what was supposedly said is apocryphal, so I take accounts like this with a grain of salt.
Imagine a British Monarch being so delusional that she thought Irish Catholics would have any respect for her.
🎯 😂 ☘
Irish Catholics fought for Britain in WWI and WWII, and Jackie wasn’t Irish.
@@CanadianMonarchist Yes. Jackie did have some Irish in her background. Probably this is online, sir. I read this many years ago from some magazine article. Jackie seemed to lean more towards the French side of her family though. Not sure why maybe because Jackie was just closer to her father than her mother.
@@CanadianMonarchist Learn about the Blacks and Tans Many Irish Americans rejected tthe League of Natons because the British were members. Resentment to the point of hatred.
that is so sad if Jacqueline Kennedy really said those words.... she was one of the great first ladies and I really hope this isn't true
She didn’t, a Hollywood script writer did…
Wow, you can just see the pain welling up in her eyes. Great acting!
I highly doubt Jackie ever said anything like that.
She did. I read the same thing in a book years ago. It's sad seeing it depicted here, because Jackie Kennedy was portrayed as a self centered whiner while the Queen offered support, a listening ear, and genuine interest. In the conversation between Jackie and the Queen, she never showed the slightest interest in who the Queen was or what her life was about.
@transitionshotline she later came to respect the queen
I believe Jackie came to respect the Queen after she understood what Elizabeth had to go thru
Sounds like a tabloid narrative honestly. Feud between women has always sold more papers.
@@lfaz4296 Actually The Crown embellished it a little but Jackie Kennedy did say Buckingham Palace was old fashioned and so was The Queen's wardrobe and hairstyle.
I cannot believe Jacquelyn Kennedy would have ever said anything so unpolitic in public. It makes for good drama and Claire Foy is stellar.
I believe she said it. The Queen would not allow Lee Radiwill have dinner with her bc she was divorced. So it was tit for tat
Thery didn't actually have to be SAID, did they?
The reality was there.
On the other hand, no one called Jackie "Your Majesty."
@@SeattlePioneerheavens no. An American Your Majesty would be laughed out of the country.
@@SeattlePioneer however she was treated like a queen in America
@@DoreeseEveritt We Americans too, have our favorites and admiration for certain public figures..
Why would someone sit at the table of her host and disparage them it seems an unlikely thing to do but I don’t know.
Americans
@@obvious-troll yup! It’s possible that the person might have been under some influence like drugs or alcohol!
This is historical fiction it falls under drama. Not a docu-series. Also the rudest people I have met in my life are those that make stereotypical blanket statements.
Theres always one. Rent free. Americans may not be the smartest, but rude? Strong disagree. @RizzabethII
@@obvious-troll Indians. The British were so very good to India, huh?
well I was at the other end of the table but, I think I heard... proceeds to tell her the insults in great detail. lol
If that is representative of the truth, what Jackie Kennedy said about Buckingham Palace was pretty sharp actually.
US Presidents have said similar things or worse, but it is awful to have it leaked. They cleaned up Johnson’s opinion in The Crown, a lot, but he didn’t care who overheard. Clinton chose to go for a curry instead of tea with the Queen. W Bush - better left unrepeated. Trump - OMG he almost pushed her out of his way.
Bad business from disgruntled ex colonists 😂
@risingphoenix8072 you got me too curious about George W
@@risingphoenix8072 Michelle Obama said they had the services of the kitchen at their disposal. And she chose to order fries ;) - Michelle added: They were good. (like she was really impressed. She was not sarcastic. I guess she wanted to be a bit edgy when being confronted with all that protocol and what not. And the kitchen made a point to serve excellent fries to show 'em).
@@risingphoenix8072 I guess the Obamas made a good impression.
Well, Elizabeth hated Buckingham palace, too.
@@williamphillips6049 Why? To much for her to clean and dust?
@@JDH3666 I guess . .
'Actually something about their first place being better.
To her Buckingham Palace was just a place of work and not welcoming or comfortable, her beloved home was Windsor Castle plus her holiday homes Balmoral and Sandringham.
Jackie referred to the Queen as middle aged? They were only three years apart. Both were in their early thirties at this time.
I don't know if this is true or not, but if it is true, that cruel that First Lady Jackie Kennedy to say that about Queen Elizabeth 2nd and I am a citizen of the United States. To be fair and if it's makes the Queen feel any better, Jackie Kennedy's predecessor as First Lady Mamie Eisenhower didn't like Jackie Kennedy.
Mamie refused to give Jackie Kennedy a wheelchair when she was visiting the White House only after weeks after giving birth to her son. Mamie is the rude mean one in this scenario.
@@bbybella9937 true, but if it is true that First Lady Kennedy spoke of Queen Elizabeth II like she did in this video, than in my humble opinion, First Lady Kennedy kinda deserves that treatment from her predecessor, Mrs. Mamie Eisenhower.
@@princered4Mamie was a hideous oul bat.
@@princered4yes and Jackie was not the demure woman the public would like to believe. She was quite catty and spiteful. Allegedly she threatened to expose jfk and his affair with Marilyn Monroe if jfk didn't end it. Suffice to say he ended it
@@stephaniewilliams168 right!!
Queen Elizabeth..."We must burn their White House"....Mum, we've already done that 🤔. ❤ 🇬🇧 from 🇺🇸.
lol always remember to address her majesty as ma’am as in ham, not marm as in farm. Sorry I had to.
I've never seen this show. But that was a very good scene, I must say. Her eyes. They show so much there.
How could Jackie call Elisabeth "middle-aged"? They were both in their thirties.
A dig at her middle aged ‘mindset’ ie old and dowdy before her time, 36 going on 50. Jackie was highly intelligent but image conscious to the nth degree and VERY materialistic and Elizabeth was none of those things (little wonder they didn’t bond).
@@gerardmackay8909 Good response. But Elisabeth managed her image very carefully in 70+ years and was too wealthy to be materialistic. And highly intelligent in a different way, vigilant in not making the kind of messes that her uncle and sister had! It takes intelligence to not do stupid things.
@@Twentythousandlps very accurate assessment of the late queen 100% in agreement.
Life expectancy was less back then, 30 was considered middle age.
@@larrytate4586 Hardly.
The queen shouldn't have cared what Jackie thought.
Except that she is a human just like everyone else. She has feelings and can get hurt, even tho she is the Queen!
@@skontheroad Look closer. Both women were not exactly welcoming to each other...
Are these even real?
The script obviously caters to the typical circus crowd.
The media had really put facts in danger.
Well, she did ask, didn't she? But this Patrick should have had the good sense not to repeat what Jackie Kennedy said, assuming
she said it in the first place and that it's not pure invention by the scriptwriters of 'The Crown'.
The ticking clock in a tired institution was the perfect metaphor.
Great performances!
Sadly, Jackie was right about the UK.
Its best days are clearly behind it.
She was really just jealous because Jackie and Philip were flirting.
Entitled merely by birth and by marriage they actually had a lot in common.
The Queen was entitled by birth, but not by marriage. She was the Queen regnant and it was Philip whose status was elevated via marriage. The Monarch is the head of state of a nation, whereas the First Lady has no role in the US Government.
@@ctalcantara1700correct. That would be the President. But none of them have ever been shy that meeting the Queen was a waste of time. It was the Prime Ministers who are of interest. PMs don’t need to have their conversations approved by the Crown.
Patrick 'I was at the other end of the table!' Plunket, 7th Baron Plunket :D
the queen was better than jackie in every single aspect.
For those who may have forgotten about the context: Jackie Kennedy had been quite anxious and unwell on their Europe tour, physically and mentally, and heavily drugged up by their personal "doctor" when she made these careless comments (huge question marks, btw. The Kennedies had a more or less secret physician for those heavy pharmaceuticals, who'd been kicked out of the U.S. Medical's Association. God knows what that unlicensed practitioner would infuse during stressful state visits).
Licenses to practice medicine are regulated by the state.
@@briancrawford8751 Ok. But the AMA (American Medical Association) is a joint nationwide institution, is it not? 🤔
@@NiVi192 Yeah, but membership in it has nothing to do with licensure as a physician.
@@briancrawford8751 Ah I must have confused sth. then. Is it the same with lawyers?
... But anyway, the Kennedy's private doctor had been stripped of his license to practice medicine and prescribed both of them enough to give them strokes by 50, certainly JFK. God rest his soul!
@@NiVi192 Lawyers do not have to be members of the American Bar Association. In states in which the state bar association runs lawyer licensing, then yes, they need to be members. In other states, New York, for example, they do not have to be members of the NY Bar Association.
Time and history put each one of them in their right place! Big hurrah for Her Majesty!!!!
What does that even mean? Is JFK not a historical figure like the Queen? What a silly comment.
JFK refused to loan the British government the money they requested, but they were able to eventually get it from LBJ.
if she really said that, then she was a total fool.
Gotta say Jackie nailed it with the old cold institution without a place in the modern world line. Damn, ate them all for dinner. But, why should they be surprised? Americans would rather die than live under a monarchy and this sentiment may yet come round again in our own society.
She might have been right about Queen Elizabeth but Clair Foy can be my queen any day of the week.
Always entertaining to read a comment section about The Crown. Most of the show is completely made up, but a scary number of people treat it like a documentary. 😂
So Jackie ended up a widowed, sophisticated for sale to an old man like Onassis tragically buried not with her husband but with her first husband...now that alone says a mouthful. WHO ONE EARTH would be buried with their previous husband no matter the circumstances of his demise? In real life Jackie was a snob whose good looks could not keep Jack out of Marilyn Monroe's bed.
I don't know what you're trying to say. Are you saying that she shouldn't be buried with her first husband who was the father for her children and was married to for longer than her second? I know if my husband past away and I remarried, I would probably still want to be buried by my first husband who I had a life with for the longest.
And let's be honest--personally, I never thought Jackie all that beautiful. Only reason she snagged JFK was because his dad was smitten with her and she came from old money.(Although by the time she met JFK her family was so broke they didn't have two pennies to rub together, allegedly, because her daddy had gambled it all away!) She liked to think she was better, but she wasn't. Which is why she married Onassis to get the money she craved, because she never had enough money.
I never understood why people insisted Jackie Kennedy was so beautiful. And she spoke with a very slight lisp and this breathiness that made her sound ridiculous. I remember a lot of people were not that fond of her and referred to "Marie Jacquette" because she spent a lot of money on designer gowns and clothes. She pretty much got what she deserved in marrying Jack Kennedy.
"Ended up widowed" as if any of her actions resulted in that or that we should look JFK's death as some kind of reckoning? For what? Opposing war? this is a mental illness to be blaming a widow for the murder of her own husband.
@@duraniegal79yep , she was nasty and a snob
poor guy being put on the spot like that
I don’t believe this actually happened. By all accounts the Queen and Jackie’s relationship was always friendly
Well, I really had no idea that Mrs. Kennedy was such a sharp-eyed and brilliantly analytical judge of character. Respect.
Yes,i do believe every word and more,nothing is sharper than another woman's tongue rage with jealousy and envy,as a small chils i couldn't wait to be a adult Lady beautifully dressed and working,but i soon realized that most woman just gossip and brake each other down to the bone,it's just terrible 😢and absolutely disgusting,as a Nurse everyday i see this people working together for 12 hours being friendly towards you but turn your back and it's war,why would you as a woman insult another woman's hair,dress,food her house interior,the list it's endless,for amusement,i don't know,people think 2 men beating each other in a boxing ring like savages with blood everywhere 😢that's nothing my dear put a few woman at a dinner party and afterwards and the next day those evil sharp demon tongues are even worst then a boxing match 😢but when her husband was shot next to her to death,the Queen was dignified to invite her back,that showed what beautifully dignified Her Majesty's was❤❤❤
Wow, those were some serious words that Jackie Kennedy had about the Queen.
Did no one object at this dinner party?
“And did she have anything to say… about me?” 🙂
“Lilibet…”😩
“Patrick”😒
And yet in the end, Queen Elizabeth proved herself to be one of the most extraordinary women of all time!
And for all that, the Queen put out a hit on Jackie but the hit man missed and got her husband instead!
Just a curiosity but has anyone researched this to see if this was the stance and expression of the Kennedy's or just fiction?
I very much doubted Jackie said that. If she did, it wouldn't matter. Elizabeth ended up being the longest reigning monarch and Jackie sadly was only First Lady until her husband got murdered.
Incorrect. First Ladies hold that title until they die.
Longest living means nothing if you had no significant global accomplishments as ahead of state !
Queen Elizabeth had too much class than to run down someone's home and personality , Jackie was far from perfect herself and only used people for money !!!!!!😊
@@mariaevans5793 Nice try. Class is not a word associated with the most dysfunctional royal family in Europe.
I'm not sure why this is a burn on Jackie and a plus for Elizabeth. Elizabeth became queen because she was born into it, not elected. And she lived a long time, probably because of wealth and genetics (Queen Mum lived to 102 I believe). JFK was elected, but Jackie was just married to him? She wasn't elected either, although John and Jackie's appeal as a young, stylish couple may have helped him in the polls. The max Jackie could have been first lady while at the White House was 8 years, anyway. Your comparison is ridiculous.
The thing is, Jackie was only going to be First Lady until John Kennedy left office in 1965 or 1969. Elizabeth would still be Queen for life. I think Jackie slowly realized this
Of course, Kennedy was killed the following year so Jackie became old news a lot quicker than anyone anticipated.
❓❓ what ❓❓A Queen is always for life or until they step down, but it doesn’t matter since they don’t create policy. Jackie O was never old news. In Europe, anyway.
That was rough...
How many people will realise that whatever Morgan thinks he achieves with this scene, it indicates more than anything else the shallowness of the liberal American who understands nothing of the role of monarch in the English constitution.
😂😂😂 there is nothing liberal about that. American students live through a year of British history as a precursor to American history and the reasons for the US Constitution. Every Article is the rejection of something British. And many students sleep through both LOL
American “conservatives” are more likely to disregard the British system with its lack of a codified constitution. Especially those with the ever present American flag pins and insistence on treating “O Say Can You See” like a religious hymn and Independence Day like Christmas 🤭
Immense Beauty,breath taking.Also fantastic acting.
Claire Foy kicks ass as Her Royal Majesty!
god the acting is so good
Margaret mentioned it.
DID SHE? 😂😂😂 I bet he was thinking: "I told that loose mouth not to say a word!"
Jackie was not a girl's girl.
OMG! Can you believe an "American gold digger" could have even imagine this opinion of Elizabeth R11
Lizzie can dish it out but she can't take it.
This is fake.
Clearly invented dialogue.
One knows this is a scripted drama but in real life we tend to forget the Mrs Kennedy/Onassis was incredibly disliked for her misplaced snobbery. A learnt thing from her upbringing.
@@robertmcnamara5407 Disliked by whom? This is news to a lot of Americans who adored her!
@@JDH3666 There was very heavy criticism of her during her White House years. She was heavily criticized for the amount of money she spent on clothes, keeping horses in Virginia, and so on. She was incredibly fashionable, especially compared to previous first ladies, but that came at a price. I don't think that it cost the taxpayers anything, but a lot of people still disliked her, and thought her shallow.
Ah yes the Queen was never snobby ever.
Was this true? I hope not
Acting at its best … no CGI or explosions just good fundamental and credible acting
Our Queen far surpassed the likes of ‘Jackie Kennedy’… God rest her soul and thank you for all that you did for us and our country ❤
how? by being the biggest welfare recipient in the world? 😂
@@alinatarasyukrussianrefuge6549 Yes. You are correct. I'm guessing this family is full of leeches.
Firstly, Jackie Kennedy and Her Majesty were both 'horse people' down to the bone. So, I suspect that alone would have been the basis for some level of a bond.
Secondly, I can't imagine even an simpleton like Jackie Kennedy being to obtuse as to badmouth the Queen of England in the presence of others in the close confines of a dinner party.
And I agree with you about this. I don’t think Jackie said anything as critical as what I read here. Jackie was too DIPLOMATIC to be so very critical this way.
By this time the Queen had years of global travel, exposure and dealing with a myriad of world and governmental issues. Jackie took pictures and then redecorated her temporary government home - the White House. I'll take the Queen's real life education anyday.
Also, a politician's wife can voice political opinions freely, a constitutional monarch cannot.
Mrs. Kennedy was no simpleton, she was at the height of American aristocracy of her time. Was educated at the Sorbonne in Paris and spoke French Fluently.
@@Boyridge
So, her ability to speak French is an indication of her intelligence? Really? She was 'educated' in French Literature on an exchange program with Smith.
As for her place in the American aristocracy, that was established by marrying a Kennedy who got himself elected to the White House.
Jackie was the Melania Trump of her day.
@@kyle381000 Actually, no. Jackie Kennedy came from a very well to do, old money family. That’s why she was chosen to marry John Kennedy. It gave him a leg up in society. The Kennedys had money but not breeding.
I knew some people who worked on the Bouvier estate when Jackie was there. The fact she could act like this is not a shock. The used to laugh at her admirers naivety.
Whether Jackie actually said these exact words or not something was said, and she didn't have the brains to keep it to herself.
I have the feeling that when the Queen said, "Well, we must have her again, soon...", what she meant was, " Well, we must have her lodged in the tower, soon..."😉
The description is incorrect. Sam Crane played Patrick, not Jaime Glover.
It was the queen in the book depository!!! She was aiming for Jackie and got JFK instead!!
That comment is really in poor taste.
@@larrytate4586 it’s a joke you sad git
@@JoanMorrison-vq2jc “Mr git”?! What are you talking about?! I’d gladly call someone a git but not “Mr git”.
That made me smile.
@@CanadianMonarchist good. Glad to know some people still have a sense of humour
Oh my I swear Jackie probably really did say that. Oh MY!! Caroline!!! LMAO
I think it is a well-known fact what Mrs. Kennedy thought of the Queen.
And everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion, but a well-educated person would never talk like that about someone else in public.
I could imagine the Queen was well- educated in that way - in contrast to Mrs. Kennedy.
Feeling superior to everybody is a typical character trait of a narcissist, isn't it?
I don't know what Jackie thought of Queen Victoria but I agree, to make that comment in public would be shockingly boorish, especially if British subjects were present.
I believe they had a great mutual respect for each other.
Talk about tugging at your heart strings!
Ahahaha called it, look at the UK now
This is false. They actually got along. Two women can get along people.
There were sources close to Jackie and her sister Lee that said Jackie said some unkind things. They were supposed to be private of course but they got out.
@gregorycharles3431 I'm sure they got along, but it doesn't mean that Jackie's sentiments weren't also true at the same time. If you google 'what did jackie kennedy think of queen elizabeth' you will find an article at the top that basically says this was a true comment on her part.
@@lordalessanJackie was not a nice lady 😅