-"Allow divorced people more freely about the court." -"Why? I am the head of the Church of England." I thought the Church of England was founded so that a King could get a divorce.
It wasn't. Henry VIII never sought Papal blessing for a _divorce_ (termination of a marriage), he wanted an _annulment_ (declaration of a marriage as unlawful). The Church of England never recognised divorce during his reign and all of his subsequent 'divorces' were actually annulments.
@@turmuthoer LOL... He consummated his marriage and all subsequent marriages. You know that he did, and so does everyone else. Really now, why are you lying after so many hundreds of years? It wasn't an 'annulment' because that would have been a lie BECAUSE HE CONSUMMATED THE MARRIAGE. He wanted a divorce plain and simple, and because the Catholic church wouldn't allow it (BECUASE HE CONSUMMATED HIS MARRIAGE), he sought a DIVORCE. Thus the Church of England is fundamentally founded on the King Henry VIII wanting a Divorce. Don't be so daft about this. It's 2024, we can be more honest
@@Crowbarrr-oq4ik None of this changes the fact that Henry himself specifically requested for his marriage to Catherine of Aragon to be annulled, never once contemplated divorce and never permitted it within the Church of England during his reign. The rules of marriage don't matter in this context, only Henry's interpretation of them. As far as he was concerned, he was seeking an annulment. That's why it's incorrect to say _'he founded the Church of England so he could get a divorce'_ since he would not have seen it this way. In fact, as someone who called himself a good Catholic right up until his death, he may have even interpreted such a statement as treasonous slander.
The way she quietly BRISTLES at the critique when she’s been taught all her life that the institution she represents may not be critiqued but simultaneously sees the point in what he’s saying
I love how Foy shows so subtly that the Queen realizes what he says about divorced people--"unkind, discriminatory, quite possibly unlawful"--really convinces her.
If we had Claire's expression and inner thoughts written out they will fill page after page. What restraint .. what composure ... You can see that she is struggling to accept but at the same time she is comprehending too. Masterclass performance ❤❤❤
Yes, quite agree. My experience has always been that the CEOs and managers rarely bother with the rank and file, and never ask for their opinion as to why the company is not working as it should.
Claire Foy is brilliant. You can see how offended and humiliated she feels by the situation of HER taking advice from a nobody on how to be a better more relatable queen. 😂😂😂 You can see her blush with indignation and her micro expressions show her utter disdain and contempt for the person in front of her. But at the same time she sits and listens. That's what made her a great Queen. She put her personal feelings aside and did what needed to be done. And they say women are too emotional to rule. Nope!
Claire Foy is a fantastic actress. She projected exactly what we would have guessed Queen Elizabeth might have said or thought then. Queen Elizabeth II might have had doubts about her upbringing, but she was our Queen for 70 years. She was a force to beacon from, and she was very aware of her shortcomings; I'm 70 years old, and I never knew any other King or Queen. She was so much more than we are aware of, not a simple figurehead, but a constant reminder of how she was view outside her palaces and her magnificent presence when she was in a room that you were also.
@pierrefireball2505 "... but she was our Queen for 70 years." - It sounds really strange to hear that in the modern age. "Our queen" - has a very anachronistic and subservient ring to it. It's a fascinating paradox really, how one of the most well-educated, enlightened , empowered and forward-thinking societies in the world (the English) can be so willfully blind in one particular area, desperately clinging on to a regressive, out of date idea like the monarchy. And willingly and even proudly continuing to bend the knee before and fawn over certain individuals simply because of the clan they were born into. I look forward to the day when the abhorrent institution of monarchy is finally consigned to the dustbin of history.
@@pierrefireball2505 I think ‘the queen’ brings in a lot of money. I think it’s not that odd to have a king or queen. What I find amazing is that someone would think any of them have a ‘magnificent presence’. Reminds me of the movie Unforgiven and the Duck of Death. 🦆🦆☠️☠️
I appreciate you posting this, but I wish you had posted the whole scene. When he turns around and finds it actually the queen herself standing there... the look on his face is so gratifying.
Claire is a great actress. In this one scene she expresses perfectly queen Elizabeth's arrogance, entitlement and complete ignorance and lack of understanding of the society and the people she rules over. Well, she would learn as the years passed but it came at a very high price. I think the annus horribilis and the events following Diana's death where the bells of doom for the queen and the royal family. That is the moment I believe when they finally learned they were all disposable. In the last series of the crown this realization is beautifully expressed by Jonathan Price in his role as prince Philip, when he says something like everyone is still dancing but the party is over.
You said it. It's frightening to see this Queen look down her nose at someone who's advice was not blasphemous, contemptuous or malicious but would keep the monarchy's precarious position and relevance 'within' tolerance of the 'public interest' and sentiment vs full out republican and abolishment of constitutional monarchy. The hubris, the trailblazing and expectation to defy public opinion could and did do a lot of PR damage. Diana and Charles extremely aristocratic, pressured marriage was extremely out of touch. It is nice to know how they did take to it, in spite of themselves. Legacy wise, they did survive to make it to the modern century without capsizing the 'ship' entirely.
I disagree -- Foy gets the young queen all wrong. She plays her as a naif scared of her own shadow. Furthermore, she ignores the sunny disposition the young queen had. Foy seems to be in a perpetual state of angst. I think Olivia Colman Imelida Staunton are excellent as the older queen.
@@Shortfilmsyou The Queen is in the room, willing to hear his opinions. Her defensiveness is expresses how most of us respond to criticism, but she ended up adopting almost all of his recommendations within the next few years. I think it's a stretch to attribute anything that happened more than 30 years after to this moment.
This is spot on and insightful. The degree of hero worship the Windsors cultivate / expect / demand is incongruous with their personal characteristics and lives; their family history; and the source of their wealth. It puzzles me that so many people in the UK are willing to participate in what is a form of a personality cult built around the Royal Family.
#2 came back to bite her in the ass, didn't it? 3 of her kids and sister getting divorced. She was disconnected. Expected the people to pay for the restoration of Windsor Castle after the fire. After the austerities they suffered under Thatcher. Was shocked when they wouldn't.
You really don't want to ostracize people. She should live by her own personal moral code while at the same time respecting others. For example, in the Bible, Jesus was always hanging out with lepers, gangsters, sick people, and foreigners. Princess Diana visited people with AIDS. It doesn't mean that you agree with the lifestyle. It just means that you don't put people down. Hanging out with a sexual predator is worse than getting a divorce.
It gloriously bit her but something to keep in mind: Elizabeth was preceded by a string of successful marriages despite circumstances: Before her was her own parents who loved each other from the start, her grandparents (George V and Mary) who married out of duty but grew to love each other despite Mary being engaged to George's elder brother, Edward VII and Alexandria, Edward cheated on Alexandra but they got along anyway and she remained with him, and Queen Victoria and Albert, who loved each other so. That's why Elizabeth believed it marriage was hard work considering her own, and she expected everyone around her to handle it that way too but it was during a time when divorces and freedom was more acceptable.
She was a product of her environment...very entrenched in the way things " should" be...I think it's unkind to berate her. She WAS thrust into her position rather young.
It is difficult to live up to traditions, and to protect them. It takes great willpower and Shakespeare's understanding of human nature to even value traditions over more modern habits. But the world is a mess without high standards.
@@dmoney8602 It's a wonderful educational resource. But it is a dramatization. He's saying he used bits and pieces to google what really happened, which is what an excellent historical drama will prompt you to do.
Disagree, the changes the queen made actually paved the way for Diana. Let’s not forget Diana benefited from some of the old ways. People remember Diana with rose coloured glasses unfortunately which is a great disservice to who she really was
@@amyhudson1016 without her the british royals would have been as unknow as the spanish and norwegian and I think they would have preferred it. who makes films about the norwegian royal family and who even watches those? maybe 3 middle aged women hoping to be princesses too some day, but that's about it. Diana has hordes of fans. Now Megan is feeding the tabloids. It will be interesting to see if she can pull in the same ratings numbers as Diana.
For an introvert, some of these ideas must have been terrifying. Meet and deal with even more people ! But the debutante thing, I can't imagine it was so yard to let it go.
Personally(as an introvert) , if it was me, that(the ball)would be the 1st thing I get right of Not only the points(he makes)about it being outdated (which it is/was)but...much like with any introvert the daily struggle it would have been to do that on a bases would be alot for me Like u said, getting rid of the ball shouldn't have been TH😂T hard
I would’ve loved if he used the Peter/Margaret debacle as an example to his divorce argument, especially since the public was for them. Even Elizabeth thought it was unfair because it was Peter's wife who had an affair. Now, she's saying the words like she's a robot in the system. Would’ve rubbed salt in the wound for Elizabeth 😆
@@tcsnowdream9975 Think about it. In a dark, twisted way, it would've been a funny running gag, especially given her own children's divorces leading up to annus horribilis.
I don't think she is saying SHE can't spend time with divorced people, I think she's pointing out that the CHURCH needs to become more modern. And although she was the head of the church, she didn't make its decisions. If the church would have allowed divorce, her life, and her sister's and her childrens' lives, would have been so much less painful.
She's not annoyed so much at the suggestions. She's annoyed being in the position where she has to consider bogging details that to her are not even important and that people appear to make such a fuss about. It's like me when I have a dreadful conference call at work.
During Margaret's birthday photo shoot when the QM is badgering her, Cecil the photographer has this hilarious monologue about a dreary working woman having an awful life, then opening a magazine to be uplifted and transported by the wonder of royalty. It's a deeply funny little scene.
Somehow i find ironicy that Queen Mary knew and work hard to get the mornachy with the time and modersinze it so it would surivie which should have been continues with Geroge the 6 and now with elsibeht which seem to ignore what her grandma did. And it came back to bit her hard. So i also think her mother was way to controlloing
popular culture is much too fixated on the British monarchy. They haven't been anything other than figure heads since the Civil Wars. their role is to provide the decorative trim surrounding British politics, but not to meddle with it. Our continued and deep fascination with that pomp and circumstance is something I fail to understand. You want a monarchy with real power, one that still makes heads roll, go to Saudi Arabia.
I have said for quite a while as in American. That Elise with a monarchy there is one constant governments change in the sovereign stays the same. There's always one check above you and you were only at the head of government not the head of state.And as long as the monarchy stays in touchthe nation will survive.
Considering the state of my country compared to her non-monarchical peers in Europe, I strongly disagree that a royal head of state = stability. In the case of France and Russia, their monarchies bled them dry until their people were forced to remove them (in France's case, this happened multiple times).
@@grandempressvicky6387 well if you don't mind me asking what country are you from. The monarchy has to stay in touch with the people which did not happen in Russia France
@@globalpoliticsman9523 I'm from the UK, lol. But I am also a historian. How "in touch" the monarchy is with its people doesn't matter. If the economic situation of the common people deteriorates, as it is now, the "goodwill" that the people have for their monarchs will be set aside for their immediate needs. This has happened in the UK several times before. This either means concessions that limit the monarch's wealth or power or outright removal of the monarchy. My generation is already ambivalent towards the monarch. The more of us that struggle will become outright disdainful, and there is no amount of "being in touch" that would fix that, short of keeping everyone fed. The UK royals have been adept in staying for as long as they have - that is undeniable, but anything humans make will fall. Maybe not in our lifetimes, but certainly in the next.
@@grandempressvicky6387 13 years does Tori government really didn't help you either. But I do see your point the only thing that kept the royal family somewhat popular in the last few years was the queen now with her being gone not so much. Especially with King Charles already existing dislike. I think if he had a of Common Sense he would have given up the throne and passed it to oldest.
What I find interesting is that the Anglican church was founded on the basis of divorce. Henry the Vlll broke away from the Catholic church to divorce his 1st wife, and other later wives, and still remained king. Then y0u have it where not only is divorce frowned upon, but then won't allow someone to remarry of they have been divorced. If that was the case, the Henry the Vlll should not have been allowed to marry any of his wives after he divorced Catherine of Aragon.
In my opinion she never in her lifetime realized, that she is getting payed by the british people - and I guess a bit more than a common worker - so, she has to do what workers do when like to keep their job.🤷♀️ Diana understood that.
and yet that "transparency" wasn't so much so but rather propaganda when you had one royal (Diana) later on running to the press every five minutes in a "look at me as the perfect mother showcasing how Charles is the most distant, uncaring brute of a father ever" then gets mad when the press turned on her for her faux pas and her constant affairs and then let's not talk about the Bashir interview. The Queen was not amused and must have regretted that whole "let's get into the lives of the Royals" staged television production from the '70s. She was caught between a generation wherein the public was reeling from both the abdication of her uncle (which thank god he did.. .could you have imagined how HE would have handled the Blitz with his Nazi sympathies), the Blitz, WWII, the India fight for Independence, etc., and the generation who would later go running to the press for every little thing or were the targets of a story-hungry, money-addicted, tabloid media and whose consumers were pretty much sick of the wealth and privilege of the monarchy..
I am French ... a monarch has no value ... except when everything else collapses. Since we killed our king in 1793, everytime we were defeated by foreign ennemies, we got revolutions and changed our political system : 1814, 1815, 1870, 1940 In 1940, in Norway, Denmark, The Netherlands, everybody knew that the sovereign WAS the country.
@@sixmax11 When we study French history at school, the difference is obvious - the king was the incarnation of the country, and the French kingdom continued to exist because of him, even when the english ruled Paris and most part of France, and pretented to be king of France, while the legitimate Valois king was only ruling Bourges area. - Bonaparte became ruler by a coup, and declared himself emperor, and remained emperor ... as long as he was victorious : the day he was defeated, the whole pretention collapsed, and the game was over. Same story with his nephew Napoleon III.
@@rntablette9388 Not at all. Democracy was ripped from the monarchs hands. They had to make concessions to remain in power. There's a good scene about that in The Crown. The Queen Mother tells Elizabeth: "The history of monarchy in this country is a one-way street of humiliations, sacrifices and concessions in order to survive. First the barons came for us, then the merchants and now the journalists. No wonder we make such a fuss about curtsies, protocols and precedent. It's all we have left! The last scrapes of armour as we go from ruling, to reigning, to..." QE: "To what?" QM: "To be nothing at all... Marionnettes!"
Maybe she was afraid if she were seen and known then people would realize how stupid monarchy is and that being pompous and rich and ‘tradition’ is not the same as merit.
Old vashioned is better in all of us because disapline in very inportent that we are lacking of because now the times have changed over the recent years now people don't have manors anymore it's disgusting I think i glad the queen never changed her way unless she had too she was a very powerful woman In the world and bravery like anyone else should be and dont answer back without spoken too and always say please and thank you now kids don't say anything and they get away with it which to me in my mind is very wrong
the Queen should have made the RF more accessible to the public people don't want to pay for a RF they never really see she should have been reminded about what happened to the European Royal families some were beheaded others were driven into exile its good the King Charles and PW are changing the RF into a more modern family
Hmmm... I don't live there but from the outside it doesn't look much different... What have you seen in the past couple of years that was never there before?
The queen thinking it's unfair that she cannot reply to a peasant expressing whatever opinion they feel like to her is pathetic. She has so much wealth, privilege and power that most normal people could not even imagine it. I have a great amount of respect towards her and the way she carried herself throughout her life, but she kind of lost the plot in this scene.
That has always been an aspect, though. Every King and Queen has been over shadowed by their partners in the minds of their people. In many ways, it is a sign that the Realm is strong. The Realm is week when it is focused on what the Sovereign is thinking about what dumb legislation the house of politicians has come up with this week. Or what dumb thing the Sovereigns that had that day to day power come up with themselves.
What exactly does the Monarch do sans live exorbitantly & convince "subjects" of their $ obligation/duty to support them then package the scheme as 'national pride'. 🙄
Nothing. Not even the series could make her interesting. The entire first season is this woman making everyone's, and her own, lives worse even though they have every possible privilege shoved up their ass because "The crown must always win". By win they mean do dumb shit for no legitimate reason.
Because the British love living in their past and have been brainwashed since their childhoods to think this thing still makes any sense in a modern world.
They are still so stiff! and to think the aset they had with the adorable Lady Diana, but of course Charles insecurities and ego had to gravitate towards a woman that treated him like an anoyying little boy and still does. Why on Earth to taxpayers still put up with this Monarchy? will never understand
And now the divorce rates have skyrocketed, Children are being raised by single parent which is the worst possible outcome But yes tell me again how normalizing divorce helps society
high or low divorce rates are nothing to brag about because either situation can be dangerous. people who stick in unhealthy marriages risk their children being raised in abusive homes which is 10x worse than single parenting. yet normalising divorce makes it ok to end marriages over trivial matters. neither situation is ideal.
@@10293 don’t get me wrong, I can see why there’s conflict about them. The episodes where they couldn’t cut costs and needed a napkin folder and keeper of the swans made me pretty sick. Swans do just fine in the wild. In fact I’ve lived places where they would just randomly show up because of ponds. They scare off the disgusting geese, which are a nuisance and make people sick. The flip side is they attract visitors, the ‘royals’ and the swans. I think they probably make the country a lot of money. I think I’ve accidentally described a circus. One question, if you’re from England, don’t they make a lot of money off of their properties that offsets the tax burden? Is there somewhere people can look up how much they bring in vs how much they cost? It also seems like they provide a calmness, or a third influence on parliament. As an American I can only speculate. After all we’re supporting the families AND continuing protection for Obama and soon the Biden family. I’ve lived in Chicago and know that Obama’s ‘Presidential Library’ has a massive apartment for himself on the entire top floor in a premium location
@@Loo-lp1fsWhat does the monarchy have to do with Donald Trump? Trump, as a level of education and political thinking, is at the opposite pole of the dignity, sobriety and respect imposed by a monarchical system.
There's nothing wrong with having a debutante ball. Women of all classes should be presented to the queen/king because they are a prize men should be encouraged to win.
Meh. Feels like a royal version of a Miss Universe pageant. Please let’s move beyond beauty pageants for our young women - it sends them a terrible message about their value.
Well, now the kids fantasize a debutant ball and being presented to a queen through a Bridgerton tv show.Squash it down and another version just pops up😂
I always think that this actress and the way she acts is the worst possible miscast. But this is an English production and maybe I'm a miserable German royal dreamer.
-"Allow divorced people more freely about the court."
-"Why? I am the head of the Church of England."
I thought the Church of England was founded so that a King could get a divorce.
It wasn't. Henry VIII never sought Papal blessing for a _divorce_ (termination of a marriage), he wanted an _annulment_ (declaration of a marriage as unlawful). The Church of England never recognised divorce during his reign and all of his subsequent 'divorces' were actually annulments.
@@turmuthoer annulment divorce it's the same thing: ending a marriage
And in the end, she pushed Charles into divorce, allowed him to marry a divorcee, and now there are two divorcee females in her circle.
@@turmuthoer LOL... He consummated his marriage and all subsequent marriages. You know that he did, and so does everyone else. Really now, why are you lying after so many hundreds of years? It wasn't an 'annulment' because that would have been a lie BECAUSE HE CONSUMMATED THE MARRIAGE. He wanted a divorce plain and simple, and because the Catholic church wouldn't allow it (BECUASE HE CONSUMMATED HIS MARRIAGE), he sought a DIVORCE. Thus the Church of England is fundamentally founded on the King Henry VIII wanting a Divorce. Don't be so daft about this. It's 2024, we can be more honest
@@Crowbarrr-oq4ik None of this changes the fact that Henry himself specifically requested for his marriage to Catherine of Aragon to be annulled, never once contemplated divorce and never permitted it within the Church of England during his reign. The rules of marriage don't matter in this context, only Henry's interpretation of them. As far as he was concerned, he was seeking an annulment. That's why it's incorrect to say _'he founded the Church of England so he could get a divorce'_ since he would not have seen it this way. In fact, as someone who called himself a good Catholic right up until his death, he may have even interpreted such a statement as treasonous slander.
The way she quietly BRISTLES at the critique when she’s been taught all her life that the institution she represents may not be critiqued but simultaneously sees the point in what he’s saying
I love how Foy shows so subtly that the Queen realizes what he says about divorced people--"unkind, discriminatory, quite possibly unlawful"--really convinces her.
If we had Claire's expression and inner thoughts written out they will fill page after page. What restraint .. what composure ... You can see that she is struggling to accept but at the same time she is comprehending too. Masterclass performance ❤❤❤
I totally agree
Rather hard for someone who has always been kowtowed to.
Last bit was probably the best advice. Many CEO's and managers could use that advice.
Yes, quite agree. My experience has always been that the CEOs and managers rarely bother with the rank and file, and never ask for their opinion as to why the company is not working as it should.
@@plauditecivesUntil you resign, and THEN they want an “exit” interview!
Claire Foy is brilliant. You can see how offended and humiliated she feels by the situation of HER taking advice from a nobody on how to be a better more relatable queen. 😂😂😂
You can see her blush with indignation and her micro expressions show her utter disdain and contempt for the person in front of her.
But at the same time she sits and listens. That's what made her a great Queen. She put her personal feelings aside and did what needed to be done. And they say women are too emotional to rule. Nope!
"Ah you got a list" gets me every time 😂😂
Claire Foy is a fantastic actress. She projected exactly what we would have guessed Queen Elizabeth might have said or thought then. Queen Elizabeth II might have had doubts about her upbringing, but she was our Queen for 70 years. She was a force to beacon from, and she was very aware of her shortcomings; I'm 70 years old, and I never knew any other King or Queen. She was so much more than we are aware of, not a simple figurehead, but a constant reminder of how she was view outside her palaces and her magnificent presence when she was in a room that you were also.
@pierrefireball2505 "... but she was our Queen for 70 years." - It sounds really strange to hear that in the modern age. "Our queen" - has a very anachronistic and subservient ring to it. It's a fascinating paradox really, how one of the most well-educated, enlightened , empowered and forward-thinking societies in the world (the English) can be so willfully blind in one particular area, desperately clinging on to a regressive, out of date idea like the monarchy. And willingly and even proudly continuing to bend the knee before and fawn over certain individuals simply because of the clan they were born into. I look forward to the day when the abhorrent institution of monarchy is finally consigned to the dustbin of history.
@@pierrefireball2505 I think ‘the queen’ brings in a lot of money. I think it’s not that odd to have a king or queen. What I find amazing is that someone would think any of them have a ‘magnificent presence’. Reminds me of the movie Unforgiven and the Duck of Death. 🦆🦆☠️☠️
Televised Queen's speech? Well that'll never catch on
Good one.
Don't know what that one would be so contentious after they televised her coronation.
I appreciate you posting this, but I wish you had posted the whole scene. When he turns around and finds it actually the queen herself standing there... the look on his face is so gratifying.
Claire is a great actress. In this one scene she expresses perfectly queen Elizabeth's arrogance, entitlement and complete ignorance and lack of understanding of the society and the people she rules over. Well, she would learn as the years passed but it came at a very high price. I think the annus horribilis and the events following Diana's death where the bells of doom for the queen and the royal family. That is the moment I believe when they finally learned they were all disposable.
In the last series of the crown this realization is beautifully expressed by Jonathan Price in his role as prince Philip, when he says something like everyone is still dancing but the party is over.
hear, hear!
You said it. It's frightening to see this Queen look down her nose at someone who's advice was not blasphemous, contemptuous or malicious but would keep the monarchy's precarious position and relevance 'within' tolerance of the 'public interest' and sentiment vs full out republican and abolishment of constitutional monarchy. The hubris, the trailblazing and expectation to defy public opinion could and did do a lot of PR damage. Diana and Charles extremely aristocratic, pressured marriage was extremely out of touch. It is nice to know how they did take to it, in spite of themselves. Legacy wise, they did survive to make it to the modern century without capsizing the 'ship' entirely.
I disagree -- Foy gets the young queen all wrong. She plays her as a naif scared of her own shadow. Furthermore, she ignores the sunny disposition the young queen had. Foy seems to be in a perpetual state of angst. I think Olivia Colman Imelida Staunton are excellent as the older queen.
@@Shortfilmsyou
The Queen is in the room, willing to hear his opinions. Her defensiveness is expresses how most of us respond to criticism, but she ended up adopting almost all of his recommendations within the next few years. I think it's a stretch to attribute anything that happened more than 30 years after to this moment.
This is spot on and insightful. The degree of hero worship the Windsors cultivate / expect / demand is incongruous with their personal characteristics and lives; their family history; and the source of their wealth. It puzzles me that so many people in the UK are willing to participate in what is a form of a personality cult built around the Royal Family.
How amazing is Claire Foy ?
She is the embodiment of Elizabeth.
One of this generation's great actresses.
#2 came back to bite her in the ass, didn't it? 3 of her kids and sister getting divorced. She was disconnected. Expected the people to pay for the restoration of Windsor Castle after the fire. After the austerities they suffered under Thatcher. Was shocked when they wouldn't.
You really don't want to ostracize people. She should live by her own personal moral code while at the same time respecting others. For example, in the Bible, Jesus was always hanging out with lepers, gangsters, sick people, and foreigners. Princess Diana visited people with AIDS.
It doesn't mean that you agree with the lifestyle. It just means that you don't put people down.
Hanging out with a sexual predator is worse than getting a divorce.
It gloriously bit her but something to keep in mind: Elizabeth was preceded by a string of successful marriages despite circumstances: Before her was her own parents who loved each other from the start, her grandparents (George V and Mary) who married out of duty but grew to love each other despite Mary being engaged to George's elder brother, Edward VII and Alexandria, Edward cheated on Alexandra but they got along anyway and she remained with him, and Queen Victoria and Albert, who loved each other so. That's why Elizabeth believed it marriage was hard work considering her own, and she expected everyone around her to handle it that way too but it was during a time when divorces and freedom was more acceptable.
As she was when the government would no longer support the renovation of her yacht!
@@lordalessan Alexandra, not Alexandria
She was a product of her environment...very entrenched in the way things " should" be...I think it's unkind to berate her. She WAS thrust into her position rather young.
This cuts off his bow before he leaves, which is crucial to the scene, in my opinion.
It is difficult to live up to traditions, and to protect them. It takes great willpower and Shakespeare's understanding of human nature to even value traditions over more modern habits. But the world is a mess without high standards.
I think she did start a Christmas tradition of talking to the people.
whoop dee doo
This show educated me a lot about the royal family that I wouldn't otherwise know. I must have googled over 5000 times whilst watching it.
It’s a dramatization. It’s not 100% accurate. Please don’t use it as an educational resource
@@dmoney8602 As stated it made me google, I'm not of the tiktok generation.
@@dmoney8602 It's a wonderful educational resource. But it is a dramatization. He's saying he used bits and pieces to google what really happened, which is what an excellent historical drama will prompt you to do.
@@dmoney8602 Googling things seen in the series usually leads to factual accounts and information
Is this why the world loves Princess Di? Because she wasn’t stuffy and stuck up like the rest of em? ❤
But how ended she up...
He's suggesting every thing that Diana did just by instinct.
she had a conscious, was self aware and felt empathy. Something this failure of a mother could never understand
Disagree, the changes the queen made actually paved the way for Diana. Let’s not forget Diana benefited from some of the old ways. People remember Diana with rose coloured glasses unfortunately which is a great disservice to who she really was
@@amyhudson1016 where's the proof? what did she benefit from; i ask you?
@@amyhudson1016 without her the british royals would have been as unknow as the spanish and norwegian and I think they would have preferred it.
who makes films about the norwegian royal family and who even watches those? maybe 3 middle aged women hoping to be princesses too some day, but that's about it. Diana has hordes of fans. Now Megan is feeding the tabloids. It will be interesting to see if she can pull in the same ratings numbers as Diana.
lol right lol
For an introvert, some of these ideas must have been terrifying. Meet and deal with even more people !
But the debutante thing, I can't imagine it was so yard to let it go.
As an introvert, that'd be the 1st thing I'd get rid of, not JUST cause it's
Personally(as an introvert) , if it was me, that(the ball)would be the 1st thing I get right of
Not only the points(he makes)about it being outdated (which it is/was)but...much like with any introvert the daily struggle it would have been to do that on a bases would be alot for me
Like u said, getting rid of the ball shouldn't have been TH😂T hard
what a beautiful acting display of pure arrogance and pusillanimity.
Had to look that one up. Scary that I didn't know what it meant.😜
I forget that I’m watching a program, and not watching the Queen. 🤴
@3:40 I feel her plight, at least as far as the public is concerned.
I would’ve loved if he used the Peter/Margaret debacle as an example to his divorce argument, especially since the public was for them. Even Elizabeth thought it was unfair because it was Peter's wife who had an affair. Now, she's saying the words like she's a robot in the system.
Would’ve rubbed salt in the wound for Elizabeth 😆
I’m not sure flipping a table and punching the Lord in the throat would make it into the script lol.
Pretty sure that's what they're talking about.
@@tcsnowdream9975 Think about it. In a dark, twisted way, it would've been a funny running gag, especially given her own children's divorces leading up to annus horribilis.
I don't think she is saying SHE can't spend time with divorced people, I think she's pointing out that the CHURCH needs to become more modern. And although she was the head of the church, she didn't make its decisions. If the church would have allowed divorce, her life, and her sister's and her childrens' lives, would have been so much less painful.
I like that she's cranking up the royal accent a bunch talking to this Johnny Jumpstart.
What's royal accent???😂😂😂
Genius scene!
Why? Because it's unkind. And quite possibly illegal..... and still her face shows annoyance and arrogance. Wow.
She's not annoyed so much at the suggestions. She's annoyed being in the position where she has to consider bogging details that to her are not even important and that people appear to make such a fuss about. It's like me when I have a dreadful conference call at work.
Really goes to show what a great actress Claire Foy is
@@OwlKing686 well said
He is quite annoying though.
One of the best scenes!
Love this.
That was good. What happened next? Still waiting till i get to see this series.
He's absolutely right
Wasn't there another episode where the Queen's mother (or grandmother) said that the role of royalty is to aspire common people, not to be like them?
Yes, Queen Mary told her that, but come on, Mary of Tek knew Queen Victoria, she was from another era
During Margaret's birthday photo shoot when the QM is badgering her, Cecil the photographer has this hilarious monologue about a dreary working woman having an awful life, then opening a magazine to be uplifted and transported by the wonder of royalty. It's a deeply funny little scene.
Somehow i find ironicy that Queen Mary knew and work hard to get the mornachy with the time and modersinze it so it would surivie which should have been continues with Geroge the 6 and now with elsibeht which seem to ignore what her grandma did. And it came back to bit her hard. So i also think her mother was way to controlloing
popular culture is much too fixated on the British monarchy. They haven't been anything other than figure heads since the Civil Wars. their role is to provide the decorative trim surrounding British politics, but not to meddle with it.
Our continued and deep fascination with that pomp and circumstance is something I fail to understand. You want a monarchy with real power, one that still makes heads roll, go to Saudi Arabia.
People desire to be ruled.
My favourite episode.😊
its the chuuuuuurch of iiiingland, dear
I have said for quite a while as in American. That Elise with a monarchy there is one constant governments change in the sovereign stays the same. There's always one check above you and you were only at the head of government not the head of state.And as long as the monarchy stays in touchthe nation will survive.
UK is now a 3rd world country, so much for Monarchy...lol
Considering the state of my country compared to her non-monarchical peers in Europe, I strongly disagree that a royal head of state = stability. In the case of France and Russia, their monarchies bled them dry until their people were forced to remove them (in France's case, this happened multiple times).
@@grandempressvicky6387 well if you don't mind me asking what country are you from. The monarchy has to stay in touch with the people which did not happen in Russia France
@@globalpoliticsman9523 I'm from the UK, lol. But I am also a historian. How "in touch" the monarchy is with its people doesn't matter. If the economic situation of the common people deteriorates, as it is now, the "goodwill" that the people have for their monarchs will be set aside for their immediate needs. This has happened in the UK several times before. This either means concessions that limit the monarch's wealth or power or outright removal of the monarchy. My generation is already ambivalent towards the monarch. The more of us that struggle will become outright disdainful, and there is no amount of "being in touch" that would fix that, short of keeping everyone fed. The UK royals have been adept in staying for as long as they have - that is undeniable, but anything humans make will fall. Maybe not in our lifetimes, but certainly in the next.
@@grandempressvicky6387 13 years does Tori government really didn't help you either. But I do see your point the only thing that kept the royal family somewhat popular in the last few years was the queen now with her being gone not so much. Especially with King Charles already existing dislike. I think if he had a of Common Sense he would have given up the throne and passed it to oldest.
Esta mujer era más dura que gallina Vieja !!!!
Un Hielo 🧊
4:16 "Let _normal_ people get to know you, too" 😄 Apparently he had already excluded Her Majesty from the "normal" list 🙃
What I find interesting is that the Anglican church was founded on the basis of divorce. Henry the Vlll broke away from the Catholic church to divorce his 1st wife, and other later wives, and still remained king.
Then y0u have it where not only is divorce frowned upon, but then won't allow someone to remarry of they have been divorced. If that was the case, the Henry the Vlll should not have been allowed to marry any of his wives after he divorced Catherine of Aragon.
In my opinion she never in her lifetime realized, that she is getting payed by the british people - and I guess a bit more than a common worker - so, she has to do what workers do when like to keep their job.🤷♀️ Diana understood that.
Transparency badly needed for the royals to keep up with the changes of.modering times
and yet that "transparency" wasn't so much so but rather propaganda when you had one royal (Diana) later on running to the press every five minutes in a "look at me as the perfect mother showcasing how Charles is the most distant, uncaring brute of a father ever" then gets mad when the press turned on her for her faux pas and her constant affairs and then let's not talk about the Bashir interview. The Queen was not amused and must have regretted that whole "let's get into the lives of the Royals" staged television production from the '70s. She was caught between a generation wherein the public was reeling from both the abdication of her uncle (which thank god he did.. .could you have imagined how HE would have handled the Blitz with his Nazi sympathies), the Blitz, WWII, the India fight for Independence, etc., and the generation who would later go running to the press for every little thing or were the targets of a story-hungry, money-addicted, tabloid media and whose consumers were pretty much sick of the wealth and privilege of the monarchy..
The other version of the queen was fine, but Claire Foy really brought something magical to her version of Queen Elizabeth
Clare Foy the actress would probably agree with these recommendations, not that this matters very much.
the recommendations were implemented - though the palace always denied this meeting took place
Well, you would have to be an idiot not to follow that advice.
And.......we ALL know the outcome of those suggestions.
‘Six?’ 🤣
Opening up was something she was not comfortable with and why she was so jealous of Diana. With Diana it came naturally.
I wonder if Prince William when he becomes King opens up like his mother once did?
Must have shocked the heck out of her. Hard to teach an old dog new tricks.
I am French ... a monarch has no value ... except when everything else collapses.
Since we killed our king in 1793, everytime we were defeated by foreign ennemies, we got revolutions and changed our political system : 1814, 1815, 1870, 1940
In 1940, in Norway, Denmark, The Netherlands, everybody knew that the sovereign WAS the country.
france got rid of a king and went to an emperor. please explain what the difference is.
@@sixmax11
When we study French history at school, the difference is obvious
- the king was the incarnation of the country, and the French kingdom continued to exist because of him, even when the english ruled Paris and most part of France, and pretented to be king of France, while the legitimate Valois king was only ruling Bourges area.
- Bonaparte became ruler by a coup, and declared himself emperor, and remained emperor ... as long as he was victorious : the day he was defeated, the whole pretention collapsed, and the game was over. Same story with his nephew Napoleon III.
Only if your concept of nation is cultural. Its quite clear in new world civic democracies, the people are sovereign
@@Rnankn
why do you bring in this cultural ( = racist ) idea ? this is not the subject ....
( and by the way, the english monarchy created democracy )
@@rntablette9388 Not at all. Democracy was ripped from the monarchs hands. They had to make concessions to remain in power. There's a good scene about that in The Crown. The Queen Mother tells Elizabeth: "The history of monarchy in this country is a one-way street of humiliations, sacrifices and concessions in order to survive. First the barons came for us, then the merchants and now the journalists. No wonder we make such a fuss about curtsies, protocols and precedent. It's all we have left! The last scrapes of armour as we go from ruling, to reigning, to..." QE: "To what?" QM: "To be nothing at all... Marionnettes!"
The sovereign is Supreme Governor of the C of E, not its head, who is Jesus Christ.
LOL. Henry VIII would disagree, and it seems bizarre to have an imaginary being as the head of anything.
Goes two ways, learn more about the people you rule over, who pay your existence.
A modern Elizabethan she wasn’t stupid the new tomorrow.
Maybe she was afraid if she were seen and known then people would realize how stupid monarchy is and that being pompous and rich and ‘tradition’ is not the same as merit.
Old vashioned is better in all of us because disapline in very inportent that we are lacking of because now the times have changed over the recent years now people don't have manors anymore it's disgusting I think i glad the queen never changed her way unless she had too she was a very powerful woman In the world and bravery like anyone else should be and dont answer back without spoken too and always say please and thank you now kids don't say anything and they get away with it which to me in my mind is very wrong
I am really sorry for any apparent rudeness here but, I mean his eyebrow was so loud, I couldn't hear his mouth at all.
Very wisdom advices
the Queen should have made the RF more accessible to the public people don't want to pay for a RF they never really see she should have been reminded about what happened to the European Royal families some were beheaded others were driven into exile its good the King Charles and PW are changing the RF into a more modern family
Yes let’s start with the stops😊
Talk of modernity from anyone of the 60s is positively ridiculous.
Next!
Notice how Great Brtain has gone to hell since Queen Elizabeth died. 😢
its fine if you stay off social media
@@obvious-troll🤔
Hmmm... I don't live there but from the outside it doesn't look much different... What have you seen in the past couple of years that was never there before?
You replaced an old out of touch woman for an old out of touch man. New person. Same nonsense.
@@crixxxxxxxxx You American?
What is this fool grading the queen on?
Off with his Head!
If she was allowed to, she would
😂😂😂
The “preservation of tradition” is what we are trying to eliminate here.
Next❤
The queen thinking it's unfair that she cannot reply to a peasant expressing whatever opinion they feel like to her is pathetic. She has so much wealth, privilege and power that most normal people could not even imagine it. I have a great amount of respect towards her and the way she carried herself throughout her life, but she kind of lost the plot in this scene.
Er…this is fiction. We have no idea what really happened.
@@catherinethibeault6636🙄
Pff pathetic@@10293
More modern….where was her modernness in the 90s when Princess Diana became the center of attention?
That has always been an aspect, though. Every King and Queen has been over shadowed by their partners in the minds of their people.
In many ways, it is a sign that the Realm is strong. The Realm is week when it is focused on what the Sovereign is thinking about what dumb legislation the house of politicians has come up with this week.
Or what dumb thing the Sovereigns that had that day to day power come up with themselves.
She is NOT QUEEN!
Didn't the real head of the church, the Lord Jesus Christ, say something about disobeying God in order to stick to the traditions of men?
What exactly does the Monarch do sans live exorbitantly & convince "subjects" of their $ obligation/duty to support them then package the scheme as 'national pride'. 🙄
Nothing.
Not even the series could make her interesting. The entire first season is this woman making everyone's, and her own, lives worse even though they have every possible privilege shoved up their ass because "The crown must always win". By win they mean do dumb shit for no legitimate reason.
To bad she did not take the advice!
She did
Why is the English monarchy still a thing?
Because the British love living in their past and have been brainwashed since their childhoods to think this thing still makes any sense in a modern world.
They are still so stiff! and to think the aset they had with the adorable Lady Diana, but of course Charles insecurities and ego had to gravitate towards a woman that treated him like an anoyying little boy and still does. Why on Earth to taxpayers still put up with this Monarchy? will never understand
And now the divorce rates have skyrocketed, Children are being raised by single parent which is the worst possible outcome
But yes tell me again how normalizing divorce helps society
high or low divorce rates are nothing to brag about because either situation can be dangerous. people who stick in unhealthy marriages risk their children being raised in abusive homes which is 10x worse than single parenting. yet normalising divorce makes it ok to end marriages over trivial matters. neither situation is ideal.
The problem is Elizabeth didn't actually have a job she simply existed to decorate the chair. Generally useless
Tell us that you don’t know what they do without telling us….
@@debbylou5729Nope, they’ve pretty much got it. D decorative woman leading a decorative family
@@10293 don’t get me wrong, I can see why there’s conflict about them. The episodes where they couldn’t cut costs and needed a napkin folder and keeper of the swans made me pretty sick. Swans do just fine in the wild. In fact I’ve lived places where they would just randomly show up because of ponds. They scare off the disgusting geese, which are a nuisance and make people sick. The flip side is they attract visitors, the ‘royals’ and the swans. I think they probably make the country a lot of money. I think I’ve accidentally described a circus. One question, if you’re from England, don’t they make a lot of money off of their properties that offsets the tax burden? Is there somewhere people can look up how much they bring in vs how much they cost? It also seems like they provide a calmness, or a third influence on parliament. As an American I can only speculate. After all we’re supporting the families AND continuing protection for Obama and soon the Biden family. I’ve lived in Chicago and know that Obama’s ‘Presidential Library’ has a massive apartment for himself on the entire top floor in a premium location
Abolish the monarchy.
I think it will be a big mistake to do that.
@@radaniculescu6761 end up with Donald Trump
@@Loo-lp1fsWhat does the monarchy have to do with Donald Trump? Trump, as a level of education and political thinking, is at the opposite pole of the dignity, sobriety and respect imposed by a monarchical system.
You’re a very misinformed person, get an education then come back.
The monarchy will be abolished when the people of the UK want to abolish it. Per their Constitution.
Well this was a complete waste of time, I would have thrown that list in the garbage and walked away. God the Queen is so rigid "Next"
There's nothing wrong with having a debutante ball. Women of all classes should be presented to the queen/king because they are a prize men should be encouraged to win.
Yess i agree!! Just make it open to all
Meh. Feels like a royal version of a Miss Universe pageant. Please let’s move beyond beauty pageants for our young women - it sends them a terrible message about their value.
@@SN-sz7kw sends the wrong message my ass. Women are a prize in our society to be won
Uh no
Well, now the kids fantasize a debutant ball and being presented to a queen through a Bridgerton tv show.Squash it down and another version just pops up😂
If I was her, only the last 2 would I have considered.
Why?
I always think that this actress and the way she acts is the worst possible miscast. But this is an English production and maybe I'm a miserable German royal dreamer.