The n/a V8 AMG hung in there with the twin turbo V12. I wonder how bad the BMW would be beat by the 6.5 V12 Bi Turbo Benz?.?. That would be a fair match up.
I think that "whacky behavior" that comes out of the S63 is exactly why people buy AMGs in the first place. They aren't like Porsches, which are made around Motorsport. They are luxury vehicles that exhibit a crazy personality because they have powerful engines, tight suspensions, and...comfort.
I never said they have the same top speed. I said they all have similar top speeds. 190mph+ for any of these cars is crazy fast and completely unutilized bragging rights, nothing more. And I comment on every post not because I disagree with their comment but because their comments are wrong and I merely correct them. Big difference.
It is when you have a bloody 1080p plus screen and you want to use it , plus when you sit close to a screen the greater pixel density adds to the clarity of the video.
Yes it is actually. From the last C&D test of each they recorded a 4.1 0-60 and 12.4 1/4 mile from the S63 and a 4.2 and 12.4 from the S65. It is much heavier and geared differently. Neither are particularly fast anyhow.
Right. The S600 (510hp V12) Merc competes with the 760Li (535hp V12) or the Alpina B7 (540hp V8) competes with the S63 (536hp V8). The main intentional benefit of the V12's are the smoothness and linearity in power deliver. Something no V8 can match.
+Luis Ferreira 760 is a v12, S63 is a v8. They should compare the 760 with the S65 so it would be a v12 vs v12. the 760Li was the most powerful bmw at the time? the S65 must have laughed at its face
Oh come on..perhaps 540hp is a bit less for the displacement, but then again these cars are really made for their huge power band and torque..or more realistically made to look pretty in your garage. There's no doubt these cars will haul ass though. These just aren't made for speed or tracking, it just so happens that they have murcielago/mp4-12c level of hp/torque and that's a pretty sweet bonus. But anywhere else, power delivery wise, its got your back.
Hahahaha BMW could get 1000bhp from this motor. If they wanted to. Fact is with a 'pathetic' 540, it'll still monster most sports cars in a straight line.
However the benefits of a V12 aren't just for power and performance but the WAY they power/perform. They are crazy smooth and linear in their power delivery and pull like a champ. It's a different feeling/experience than a V8 can provide. And now V12's are in the 700hp range so there is still a use for them as being more powerful (and smoother/more linear) than V8's...
you guys are amazing ... i MAY obsess about top gear , James Mays toy stories , Clarksons inventions that changed the world , and Hammond invisible worlds .. love it .
Kaisuke971 defending the honour here too huh... how much you guys wanna bet this guy is paid by bmw, or is probably a 15 yr old kid who just tried a bmw for his first time
albboy96 Lol "Vanquish vs LaFerrari they both have V12s and are the most expensive cars coming from each factory". Come on dude the S65 is an AMG while the 760Li is a normal 7 series...
Already said above that the test is presented more as a 'most powerful model' head-to-head test more than a pricing head-to-head test, so that means the S65 - also already said in another comment that if BMW won't produce an M7, then that's their problem when the S65 is compared to the 760Li.
A few reasons. Most noticeably is the BMW uses a 6.0L while the Lambo has a 6.5L. Another is the fact that the BMW V12 revs to 5500rpm while the Lambo revs to over 8000rpm. It doesn't peak that 691hp till 8,250rpm while the BMW 760Li peaks its 535hp at 5,250rpm. They are both designed intentionally this way to produce the power they do for a reason.
It has been like this for a while. BMW and Audi dominate Merc in most areas but Merc still sells well (in the US at least) because of the brand perception and image they still have based on their PAST products.
I agree with your statement.... a BMW with a WBA vin code should not be compared to a BMW with a WBS vin code.. Therefor a non-M should not be compared to a AMG.... it's just amazing that a non-M should beat a AMG, wether it's the S63 or S65...
Not when Merc offers an S600 to compete with the 760Li and BMW offers the Alpina B7 to compete with the S63. This comparison was a bit jacked up as the two cars don't directly compete but each manufacture offers something that does. Alpina vs. S63 and 760 vs. S600. Two different comparos.
Those speeds are electronically limited. 186mph = 300km/h and 155mph = 250km/h. VERY common limiters the Germans use in their cars. Unrestricted they all have similar top speeds. The 760Li at 189mph like they say in this video as well. And I was referring to acceleration as people were commenting on the drag race loss for the S63 by saying the S65 would have been better. It is not quicker.
Fair point on the pricing but they introduced the BMW at the very start of the video as the "most powerful" BMW - they didn't focus on the price. Some tests based on price (especially second hand versus new, for the same money), can be very interesting but I think the test here is mainly a Merc vs BMW head to head: that means the equivalent S-Class must be the S65 AMG. Especially as the S65 is a V12 biturbo (like the BMW) and the S63 is only a V8, normally aspirated engine.
And similar power out. 760Li at 535hp and S63 at 536hp. However the S600 would have been the most appropriate comparison car for the 760Li as that is it's intended competitor, of course.
What's with the 747 that's always parked at the Top Gear test track? It's got it's outboard engines crammed in with the inboard ones, and an external fuel tank where the outboard engines used to be. Coming from an aircraft guy, It's bothering me to death trying to figure out what happened to it.
WAIT WHAT? @5:00 they said the S63 does NOT hav rear TVs, well i dont know if its an extra option my dad had a 2008 S63 AMG that had TVs in the rear and interior lighting that can change colors and i found that very nice for that time :D
It's all about how the engine is constructed. Same with the formula 1 cars they got a V8 with a displacement of 2.4 litres and these engines still delivers more HP then the V6 from Nissan GTR. The secret is in how much can the engine rev and how its constructed.
When I was getting my permit, my driving instructor told me he preferred the US Top Gear over the UK one. From that point on our sessions were silent
You should`ve fired him on the spot.
Tbh US top gear wasn’t bad, UK top gear was better tho
This was written 10yrs ago before Top Gear was demolished !!!
@@kennorcott7074 UK Top Gear was the best, we got friendship, passion , different personalities, the entire package with love of cars
@@kennorcott7074I got your point. I also watch Top Gear USA, and it's equally enjoyable.
760 is a v12, S63 is a v8. They should compare the 760 with the S65 so it would be a v12 vs v12.
+Bull TerrierFFM but the s65 cost 50000 more
S 600 you uncultured swine.
They are comparing from the price point not engine.
@@violet_lilac the Ben's s560 is for maybach
The s65 is a more luxurious but slower vehicle that is more expensive. In that generation especially.
The n/a V8 AMG hung in there with the twin turbo V12. I wonder how bad the BMW would be beat by the 6.5 V12 Bi Turbo Benz?.?. That would be a fair match up.
The v12 turbo Benz is 50k more tho
the s65 is slower than the s63
No the s65 has a 6.0 liter engine
@big rock I'm sorry wat the s63 is faster than the s65????
@@e.ggamerguy5793 the s65's engine is much heavier so it is slower, look it up
I think that "whacky behavior" that comes out of the S63 is exactly why people buy AMGs in the first place. They aren't like Porsches, which are made around Motorsport. They are luxury vehicles that exhibit a crazy personality because they have powerful engines, tight suspensions, and...comfort.
I love James's reviews. He should do more of them
5:23 Stig table flip
Also there is a "long" cut, you can see that on the table legs! | | > / /
BHP
You should let the wookie win, luke
James is quietly the funniest on the show.
"To give it it's other name, the BMW Move Over, Poor Person."
4:25 best engine sound ever!
m113k in my cls55 sounds better !
Go Stig, go!
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@@sambritt8967 James May Very faIr PlayIn at ToP TrumPs wIth StIg
saw the s63 AMG today sounds bloody sick ;)
3:45 - just that sound XD
Try 3:36
THEY DON’T MAKE THESE LIKE THEY USED TO ANYMORE 😭😭😭
I love how the stig was treated more like some wild animal who's only objective in life is to drive fast.
I honestly don't know if the German's ability to make a turbocharged V12 seem almost unnoticeable is a good or bad thing, but it's certainly amazing.
5:24 Stig rages and flips table XD
this is my favorite episode of top gear :DD
Bit short but it was so awesome and you get to see Clarkson, Hammond, May and the Stig! Definitely worth it :) Have fun tonight!
2:35 a wild Mercedes appeared!
I never said they have the same top speed. I said they all have similar top speeds. 190mph+ for any of these cars is crazy fast and completely unutilized bragging rights, nothing more.
And I comment on every post not because I disagree with their comment but because their comments are wrong and I merely correct them. Big difference.
that s63 amg is mental!awsome car indeed
It is when you have a bloody 1080p plus screen and you want to use it
, plus when you sit close to a screen the greater pixel density adds to the clarity of the video.
s65 amg with v12 and the bmw is history
BMW is not M
Top Gear has quickly become one of my favorite channels.
Mercedes = Amazingness.
Both are amazing
Andrew Tate
The Mercedes is still amazinger. :P
TheDanishWaffle Mercedes = Power
MotigEx Mercedes = Perfection.
true
Yes it is actually. From the last C&D test of each they recorded a 4.1 0-60 and 12.4 1/4 mile from the S63 and a 4.2 and 12.4 from the S65. It is much heavier and geared differently.
Neither are particularly fast anyhow.
bmw for ever
child
**Cough** **Cough** I think you ment "Mercedes forever." Bad spelling mistakes AND wrong brand there, an F Minus for you.
The way he was being tossed in the back was just so funny🤣. Shows one the importance of wearing a seat belt 😁
Lol head butt the door
Right. The S600 (510hp V12) Merc competes with the 760Li (535hp V12) or the Alpina B7 (540hp V8) competes with the S63 (536hp V8).
The main intentional benefit of the V12's are the smoothness and linearity in power deliver. Something no V8 can match.
I love genuine Top Gear :-)
Quite rare seeing James driving so fast!
Its funny to see the Benz fanboys cry
+Luis Ferreira 760 is a v12, S63 is a v8. They should compare the 760 with the S65 so it would be a v12 vs v12.
the 760Li was the most powerful bmw at the time? the S65 must have laughed at its face
+Iron Mayer wait for the v12 600 hp m760 li, it's officially faster than the s65 , so once again you'll cry like the little girl you are..
BMW > benz
Not even a fanboy or anything, but like, why would you refuse features that are there and opt out for something worse? lol
Does BMW have a proper supercar? Competitive F1? Nope. MB hasthe up-and-coming project One. You can cry now.
Aethereon The AMG gt doesn't compare to the Italian super cars
That is what these V12's do these days. They aren't necessarily tuned for high output but for refinement and smooth power delivery.
540hp from a 6 liter twin turbo v12 is nothing short of pathetic
It's even more pitiful when you hear the price
It is not about how much power u can get out from the engine
It is about how comfortable and effortless the power delivery is
In these cars
Barzan H.saeed .. theres barely any relative power being "delivered" in the first place
Oh come on..perhaps 540hp is a bit less for the displacement, but then again these cars are really made for their huge power band and torque..or more realistically made to look pretty in your garage. There's no doubt these cars will haul ass though. These just aren't made for speed or tracking, it just so happens that they have murcielago/mp4-12c level of hp/torque and that's a pretty sweet bonus. But anywhere else, power delivery wise, its got your back.
That's what I thought it should be making about 850 it's to expensive to only do 188 that BMW is trash
Hahahaha BMW could get 1000bhp from this motor. If they wanted to. Fact is with a 'pathetic' 540, it'll still monster most sports cars in a straight line.
Finally FULL HD. Thank you middleagetopgearuploaders!
no debut merc is better
Yes, apparently hd quality is only allowed to episodes such as the UK.
Mercedes>BMW
However the benefits of a V12 aren't just for power and performance but the WAY they power/perform. They are crazy smooth and linear in their power delivery and pull like a champ. It's a different feeling/experience than a V8 can provide.
And now V12's are in the 700hp range so there is still a use for them as being more powerful (and smoother/more linear) than V8's...
Love that BMW
Finally a top gear UK video. Can't wait to see the new season
126 men likes audi s8))
you guys are amazing ... i MAY obsess about top gear , James Mays toy stories , Clarksons inventions that changed the world , and Hammond invisible worlds .. love it .
S65 is better than this bmw !
Yes it is
S65 is an AMG, and more expensive.
Kaisuke971 defending the honour here too huh... how much you guys wanna bet this guy is paid by bmw, or is probably a 15 yr old kid who just tried a bmw for his first time
how can u know which one is better? have u ever tried any of them?
the 760Li was the most powerful bmw at the time? the S65 must have laughed at its face
a s 600 also would laughed ...
The F1 shits on any mercedes.
Mrdjsoule That's what the guy tried to do with S65 vs 760 and shit
Kaisuke971 well they both have V12s and are the most expensive cars coming from each company
albboy96 Lol "Vanquish vs LaFerrari they both have V12s and are the most expensive cars coming from each factory".
Come on dude the S65 is an AMG while the 760Li is a normal 7 series...
Summer 2013, Top Gear IS BACK BABY!
i think the MERCEDES is way way way better than the BMW in terms of everything
Already said above that the test is presented more as a 'most powerful model' head-to-head test more than a pricing head-to-head test, so that means the S65 - also already said in another comment that if BMW won't produce an M7, then that's their problem when the S65 is compared to the 760Li.
Calm and civilised BMW driven by The Stig.
The Stig sees the Merc
Followed by James hitting his head.
That is what makes Top Gear UK so great.
had the same feeling, but other seasons ended with only 1-2 shows more, some were even shorter!
A few reasons. Most noticeably is the BMW uses a 6.0L while the Lambo has a 6.5L. Another is the fact that the BMW V12 revs to 5500rpm while the Lambo revs to over 8000rpm. It doesn't peak that 691hp till 8,250rpm while the BMW 760Li peaks its 535hp at 5,250rpm.
They are both designed intentionally this way to produce the power they do for a reason.
Welcome to 2013 Top Gear, finally content in better than 360p :-)
It has been like this for a while. BMW and Audi dominate Merc in most areas but Merc still sells well (in the US at least) because of the brand perception and image they still have based on their PAST products.
It's in full HD. Not normal for UK Top Gear
As does the merc S600 which is the TRUE competitor for the 760Li.
760Li vs. S600
Alpina B7 vs. S63
Yeah exactly. Didn't want to spoil it for anyone but YES it was way too short. That's why I think it was awesome to be there once but not twice.
True, I totally agree with you, it's the S600 that competes with the 760Li and not the S63 or S65!
I agree with your statement....
a BMW with a WBA vin code should not be compared to a BMW with a WBS vin code..
Therefor a non-M should not be compared to a AMG.... it's just amazing that a non-M should beat a AMG, wether it's the S63 or S65...
what about the s65 amg?? v12 twin turbo too!
Why is not the A8 4,2 in this video answell?
These are the Top Gear review I miss that have seamed to have gone away in the past few series'
This was a really great video! Thanks!
The gods of Top Gear have been kind!
The S63 has been available with a more powerful biturbo 5.5 V8 for some time plus in most countries you can order a 760i SWB version.
They put clips from the latest series on the BBC channel yet they don't put them here?
do they sell the 65 in the uk?
1:00 what's the name of that song??
Top Gear UK + FullHD = I'm in heaven.
Hahaha ... @3:43 generally I dont like annotations but that annotation gave me a hard laughter.. xD
In general there is no need to comment a top gear clip but what's the name of the piano sonata that starts @ 1:57?
Finally! PROPER Top Gear.
Not when Merc offers an S600 to compete with the 760Li and BMW offers the Alpina B7 to compete with the S63.
This comparison was a bit jacked up as the two cars don't directly compete but each manufacture offers something that does.
Alpina vs. S63 and 760 vs. S600. Two different comparos.
What's the name of the melody in the beginning?
Those speeds are electronically limited. 186mph = 300km/h and 155mph = 250km/h. VERY common limiters the Germans use in their cars. Unrestricted they all have similar top speeds. The 760Li at 189mph like they say in this video as well.
And I was referring to acceleration as people were commenting on the drag race loss for the S63 by saying the S65 would have been better. It is not quicker.
Hooray for HD!
i missed about all but 1 episode from this new season so imma just buy the DVD
Fair point on the pricing but they introduced the BMW at the very start of the video as the "most powerful" BMW - they didn't focus on the price. Some tests based on price (especially second hand versus new, for the same money), can be very interesting but I think the test here is mainly a Merc vs BMW head to head: that means the equivalent S-Class must be the S65 AMG. Especially as the S65 is a V12 biturbo (like the BMW) and the S63 is only a V8, normally aspirated engine.
And similar power out. 760Li at 535hp and S63 at 536hp. However the S600 would have been the most appropriate comparison car for the 760Li as that is it's intended competitor, of course.
Is there another version of Top Gear. Because I see people talking about US, never saw that one, luckily, I assume.
What about the S65 vs a Alpina B7? Seems like a fair comparo
American Top Gear will never ever be as great as UK Top Gear...
When are new episodes coming out? Surely the Africa special wasnt the season finale?
What's with the 747 that's always parked at the Top Gear test track? It's got it's outboard engines crammed in with the inboard ones, and an external fuel tank where the outboard engines used to be. Coming from an aircraft guy, It's bothering me to death trying to figure out what happened to it.
OH god sooooo GOOOOD. Give me MOAR!!!!!
Why Top Gear no team up with DRIVE Network. Would be EPIC!!!!
And because they have similar power outputs too. Technically the S600 is the S-Class competitor for the 760Li however.
HD, a concept TopGear finally understands.
That and the V12 S classes are still stuck with a 5 speed autobox, while the S63 at least has the 7 speed gearbox. The V12 BMW has an 8 speed from ZF!
Two different variants in fact. The S600, which competes with this 760, and the S65, which competes higher up.
That has to be the first time I've seen the STIG in a formal suit.
Bunga Bunga Stig.
Thank you!!! Now if you'd only do a 760i, s65 and S8 comparison
WAIT WHAT? @5:00 they said the S63 does NOT hav rear TVs, well i dont know if its an extra option my dad had a 2008 S63 AMG that had TVs in the rear and interior lighting that can change colors and i found that very nice for that time :D
But i can't play in 1080 or 720p because my internet connection speed is 1.5 MBp/s :(
the m-package doesnt just change look.
it adds a supercharger and sport suspension
2:38 COOL VIBRATIONS
Sorry C4Lust - you're still wrong. The 760Li is the most powerful BMW 7 Series and is a V12, so the equivalent S-Class is the S65 AMG, also a V12.
they do add a sport suspension and the supercharer is aftermarket(my bad) but at least it sounds fairer
3:44 always cracks me up 😂
waited a long time for hd, dudes.....
finally
It's all about how the engine is constructed. Same with the formula 1 cars they got a V8 with a displacement of 2.4 litres and these engines still delivers more HP then the V6 from Nissan GTR. The secret is in how much can the engine rev and how its constructed.
S class w221 the best s class ever